The Complicated Politics of Rainbow Six (And Why They Matter)
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ม.ค. 2023
- The importance of Rainbow's mission.
If you want to play a pickup match with me and the boys, consider a membership:
/ @gge
😤 SUBSCRIBE 😤
bit.ly/subGregor
My Most Popular Uploads bit.ly/GregorMostPopular
🔴 LIVESTREAMS 🔴
/ greghavenner
🐦 SOCIALS 🐦
- / greghavenner
- / greghavenner
🖥 COMPUTER SPECIFICATIONS 🖥
Camera: Sony alpha 6000
Mic: Audio Technica AT4050
Mixer: Yamaha MG10XU
CPU: Intel Core i7-10700K
VIDEO CARD: RTX 2070 Super
RAM: 16GB DDR4
Keyboard: Logitech G915 TKL
Mouse: Logitech G Pro Wireless
About Gregor
Suh, dude? This is my official TH-cam channel. I cover FPS games, usually with a competitive slant.
The Complicated Politics of Rainbow Six (And Why They Matter)
• The Complicated Politi...
Gregor
/ thegregorvids - เกม
![[LIVE] : ONE ลุมพินี 71 วันนี้!! คู่เอก "ทรงชัยน้อย vs รักษ์"](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/_AGPnq2p6Js/mqdefault.jpg)
BELARUS! I MEANT BELARUS NOT BULGARIA F#@!
All countries that aren’t America are not real. Everyone knows that.
Lol
Your punishment is Bulgaria
yo! we exist!?
as punishment you must live in belarus for 12 seconds
As a Mexican, Goyo is a really great representation of the actual people who work in the army/police who just want to get rid off the narco.
The narco has infected all institutions, so naturally there is people who want to make the right things (and i know people like that in my line of work).
I main and have a special place in my heart for my guy Goyo, great fictional character who represents real life people i´m surrounded by
Curious on your thoughts on Alejandro from MW2 who has a similar motivation?
Something I found out was the team who arested El Chapo's son were all killed. Mexico is in a messed up situation and all people can do is talk about it until something is done
@@thunderslug1066 The narco destroyed cancun (my hometown) and i was forced to move to other city
I hate the narco with all my guts and i will support every persons and fictional character and history who wants the same as me, fking destroy it and remove the cancer who kills/harms innocent people everyday
@@miguelzurita3216 Yup, the sad reality is that people who do the right thing get killed
The judge who was running the case on Chapo´s son was killed with his wife in his own house
The wife wanted to sell her car so she oppened the door to a "customer", when they opened the garage door they were shooted down by the cartel
Until this day, there are no people arrested
@@miguelzurita3216 wasn't el chapo's son arrested? I came across an article but never got the time to read it.
Just another point on why people like Gregor deserved to be community developers for everything Tom Clancy related. Also along with others like NGN.
I agree. Its odd that some randy on the intetnet had a better understanding of Siege and its potential than the professionals at Ubisoft.
Gregor has a better for what Siege could be than what the devs have right now. Im convinced if they dont take some of the ideas Gregor thought of for what "Siege 2" should be, its not a step up from where we are now.
Thought you wrote IGN there for a second.
@Miguel Zurita There are also the rabid elitist know it all Tom Clancy fans claiming the realism in more ways I could sort out but they are all deluded thinking that realism should be the main point but it should be about immersion.
While people like Gregor, NGN, Lugovoises, etc. hit that sweet spot that reconciles aspects of Tom Clancy that are established and others that may look off putting but are surprisingly immersive and fitting with the world loaded with potential. It's like how Gregor reconciles aspects of Siege with what makes Tom Clancy great. It's why I appreciate the Division in spite of its gameplay, the lore is interesting.
Even a spectacular awesome piece of media about military action like Top Gun Maverick isn't fully realistic but it was to the levels it just needed to be and that immersion in that movie was from superb to sublime.
To be honest, that's the middle ground level of immersion is what Tom Clancy games should strive for. Might as well as Tom Clancy TV shows and movies to that.
Where in the age where indie and Communities are better than the ones who even introduce a game
As a Nigerian this message resonates with me very well. My family had to flee the country because of all the violence, and it really is a mess of violence. There's freedom fighters fighting against an oppressive govt, theres terrorists operating on supremacist ideologies who massacre everyone they see as below them, and there's many in govt and the military specifically fighting at home and abroad to defend democracy in Africa. My country desperately needs something like this, to promote unity and focus on the real threats we have. I think if we got a Nigerian op for siege it should be made clear that not all our govt does is righeous, that the people in our armed forces who are fighting the good fight are doing so in spite of our corrupt govt, no because of it. A good story like this would inspire millions to continue fighting against injustice.
Same for me just Kenya. That’s why my family immigrated to the US 2 generations ago. Africa can be so corrupt
@@drdreson with the growing population, calls for democracy, and the internet, corruption won't last for much longer
Gregor, thank you for this video. I worked with R6S Esports and work with security consulting, and what you have talked about here is something that has been on my mind for years now, especially after i read the book in middle school. The points you brought up here are extremely valid and are points that really should be talked about, especially in the times we find ourselves. Fictional institutions like Rainbow present to us a prospect of a future of unity, fraternity and hope. But what most fail to see are the delicate politics that happen under the veil of such an organization. Its not just a collection of SOF operators from around the globe working together to thwart terrorism, it's a representation of how different agendas, ideals and politics can shape warfare and how we enact upon it as a whole. For some, R6 might be western propaganda, for others like myself i see it as a way to represent SOF and CTU's in a different light. The human behind the operators and the struggles of each country that finds itself within Rainbow.
Once again, thank you Gregor. You shed some light on a subject that is very important to anyone who has a working brain.
You nailed it bro
This might sound super random but I get out the Army in a few months I've spent my time as a sniper, team leader, squad leader etc. etc. I served at both 2nd ID and at 101st airborne. I was looking into getting into some security work I see that you mentioned security consulting how does one get into that? Being in a combat job for 5 years it's kind of hard for me to find a good job.
Just wanted to throw my shot and try thank you whether if you respond or not.
interesting fact: iceland and greenland’s names were swapped in order for the people living there to trick the vikings or any other invader to going to the other one. since iceland sounds hostile, invaders would much rather invade greenland. sounds simple but it actually worked. 5head Icelanders.
These people always remind me of the "politics doesn't belong in sports" people.
Also another point I always make, is that the fact that they add these ops that don't have combat focused backgrounds or squad roles in the lore, makes the combat simulations (pvp multiplayer) all the more understandable. The more experienced squad members are going to need to train these ops and people like Mira are going to need to test their gadgets in a combat situation.
One thing is politics in a soccer match and other politics in a videogame about politics and the fight against terrorism
@@Parzival_V Yes but both mentioned parties deny that politics is involved at all when it has been from the start
@@shig.bitz.3205 sports can be political in the terms of another nation's team winning against another.
Unrelated politics is kneeling for BLM and waving around rainbow flags on the feild. As those do not correlate to the sports dynamic and only exist to bludgeon the veiwers with ideological veiw points
It all depends how its handled and what the message is. My issue with Kapernick was he did it for attention and in most cases the BLM's message is all based around misinformation. Meanwhile we got Blitzchung and Enes Kanter protesting China and wanting a free Hong Kong.
As far as the actual story it depends how it works with the narrative.
It works for R6 because the team usually does its research and isn't throwing it in cuse wahey why not
I wished that Rainbow Six Siege would add characters from Central Asia, it would show a great representation of post-Soviet politics in post-Soviet republics and the culture of Central Asia.
the operator Fuze is from Uzbekistan
He does works for Spetsnaz, not a Central Asian CTU like the Arystan
Kazakh or Turkmen operator
I haven't played Siege in a couple of years, but I always end up watching your videos Gregor especially these types of pieces. Your writing and humor are just real fun and I hope for your continued success.
Is the main idea here that the reason siege is heavily influenced by politics is because harry goes around finding these unique special forces of different nations to unveil their specific motives of why they fight. And it matters because with this information we are able to see what good and importance these special forces have on different nations fighting their own individual struggles.
Maybe i missed the ballpark and I need clarification on the subject. I know there is other topics like propaganda i didn't include.
Im currently taking medieval history in college and am watching stories of ww2 in netflix and im currently enveloped in imperialism as a whole.
(Also anyone saying politics has nothing to do or have any importance in the existence rainbow six siege is clearly playing a different game.)
Alright, I need the “Gregor Explains: The Political Compass”
1st rule of the political compass its not a legit way of understanding politics
PCM 🤮🤮🤮
@@TheBigtimedead Of course it isn’t. Just wanna see Gregor make his typical jokes
@@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394 I mean, good for you
He did a video a couple years back placing every op on the political compass it's a great video I'd absolutely recommend it
Only thing I have to say is, when removing railings from stairs it is better to punch them away and save your ammo. #ProLeague
most important takeaway from this video
Icelander here. We have a terrible do-nothing government and in the last year a pair of young men were arrested for 3D printing and importing automatic weapon parts because they planned to attack a police gala here as a terror attack. The naming is because settlers discovered Iceland first, only discovering the southernmost tip of Greenland afterwards and naming it such.
It’s not that they pull characters from non CTU backgrounds, but how cartoony and weirdly designed some of them are. I want that Grim-dark aesthetic/feel back, and a lot of operators (Nighthaven especially) just feel strange and out of place. Recent ops have gotten better at this (Grim and Solois), but some of the other ones just clash hard with some of the older ops (Amaru, Flores, etc). Even something like Thorn’s bombs look super goofy compared to how they’d look if they were made at launch. I get they’re doing it to catch that light hearted hero shooter crowd, but I just think it sucks; it’s the reason you see people clamor for a new White Mask storyline, older fans want to go back that original feel the game had (even though they game is still fun).
An unrelated tangent to the Boston Dynamics bit:
I think the main "they can strap a gun on it" critique is aiming at the right spot but just missing it. Of course the Robodog is cool, and has viable usage in improving human safety, such as automating hazardous jobs and assisting in search and rescue. The main issue, however, and the one grazed by the "strapping a gun" argument, is that the development of such products is secondary. Appealing to military and police customers is the primary focus of robotic development, which is rather disappointing to see something that could alleviate human suffering instead turned towards amplifying it.
Anyway, the video's good. I do think Siege has interesting politics as an international counterterror org, but it's a shame that the current writing seems to be moving towards something that I personally see as less engaging.
The events in Ukraine made me unironically think that the development of weapons saves lives. The humane end to this war is using the most effective weapons possible to completely break the invader's will.
The fact that we can double dip and get peaceful uses out of that research just makes it a win win.
9:50 sorry guys, Gregor disappeared under mysterious circumstances
Banger video greg. Very entertaining to watch. I like the emphasis relatability in your script when you make these type of videos. It feels like a reasonable friend is explaining something to me rather than an emotionally strong talking head.
i enjoy the informational, or monologue content. Very informative and easy to listen to. Being this, or ranking… the use of info and research but being entertaining is great.
I love this kind of commentary, its sad that we dont get people with your outlook to work and opine on the creative and narrative side of things more often.
Also andor is so fucking good, I rewatched it like 3 times already
deadass i'd watch or read a journal/documentary series of just Harry going through the entire roster, spending a day or 2 with each op to see what they do, what makes them tick. the nighthaven bullshit never interested me, but Harry and the gang chilling sounds great.
That's what I think facinates me in Rainbow six story, as a Brazilian I can tell that the operators from BOPE are almost the same from the ones from the game, from all the criminal shit they see in the favelas, Cav is like a ghost, someone dead inside, just seeing a Bope operator in real life gives you fear. And thats the point the story shines, representing different methods and a different way of doing the exact mission.
8:50 I don’t know why but this robot dog talking point was hilarious to me.
I like spending my time learning about politics and history. It is really interesting reading the news from the 2 extreme ends and seeing that they interpret it soo differently. I believe politics is a personal matter, but it really is important to have a perspective of other opinions and know what is happening. And for what is concerning siege, the game can just keep its neutral stance and continue releasing new content.
Extremely informative video. This kind of content is what stands out from the norm of Siege content, and is amazing. Glad I subbed.
He’s not lying about andor tho. It really ask the question the same question siege ask, is it ok for good people to get their hands dirty to protect others and so other good people don’t have to get their hands dirty.
Thank you for talking about this, I feel people have become so ingrained in their own Echo Chambers repeating the same propaganda that they heard someone told them to say over and over again and it's becoming a serious issue get nobody's talking about it, thank you for being you
your story about professionals not believing that the Ukraine war could happen reminded me of something. I was sitting in a Starbucks with a friend a couple of weeks before the covid pandemic really kicked off the United States. I was telling her about how all the reports coming out of Europe and Asia made It seem like we were in for something bad, but that nobody was really paying attention to it.
A guy was sitting at a table next to us and decided to butt into the conversation to tell us that it's all propaganda and that there will never be any impact felt from this virus. And the fact that we were even talking about it was cute. Literally like two weeks later lockdown began.
In this case he wasn't any kind of professional. Just some pompous guy sitting at a Starbucks. But all the same. It's funny how people become so insistent about their own theories that they act as though their theories are facts.
We're living in a history, Something are always in a hindsight lol
Fun fact, Iceland is called such because one of the people who first arrived there from Europe fuckin hated it and declared it a barren wasteland of ice, despite others who were with him at the time saying that it was pretty nice and had lots of open grassy land
Thank you for recommending andor too, it really fits well and explains a lot of nuance with insurgencies and things of a similar vein. Amazing show that makes some really relevant points
Absolutely fantastic video, Greg. Thanks for making content like this.
i loved listening to this video like a podcast, the wider span of naratives you are talking about was really enjoyable to hear your opinion on
BIG OOOOF ! Bulgaria is not an ally with Russia and we don't have a Russian Airbase . We are part of NATO and EU since 2007 in fact we probably more NATO airbases the some other European Union Countries .
yeah I think he meant Belarus
I love this kind of stuff Greg. Please keep doing this. Also having recently read the R6 book myself, I'm very excited to hear your thoughts on it.
Great video man, you should do these more often imo.
I sure hope sometime in the future the Devs will somewhat relay back the original lore of "Rainbow Six". I get the russians in the game kind of throw that off but it would be cool, especially for those that have read the books
This was a really well done video. This is a mature topic that people should learn about.
The average player's concern with the politics of Rainbow Six: 0.00001%
The average player's concern with cheating: 99.99999%
I need a playlist with videos like these from Gregor, I haven't watched his videos in a hot minute, so this is awesome to see
I'm waiting for a Puerto Rican operator. His ability would probably be a device that launches rice and beans at people.
I had to watch that speech in Andor a couple times. It’s so good and so well delivered.
I feel like rainbow is trying to get back into that shadow war approach Tom clancy used to have for his series. I hope they can make the cut like he did
Yes, another video of gregor talking about shit! Informational siege conte t is cool n all, but its really nice to watch these every so often.
This is genuinely some solid content, I would love to see more
This is so well made that I almost forgot it was siege content
I absolutely love this video but I have to defend 1 thing.
The bit about people thinking that Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine is something I really believed. This was because the whole thing about lining up soldiers on the border was not anything new. Russia has done many buildups on the Ukrainian border and they always led to nothing so understandably people thought that this was just a tuesday.
Same thing happened in the Yom Kippur war in Israel when Israel was caught off guard by Syrian forces as they had done the same thing: once for every now and then they would do a buildup and then go home.
Also people knew that Russia invading Ukraine would end badly. Not this badly but people thought that it would be Afghanistan 2.0.
Only thing I failed to realize was that that Putin isn't very smart.
That book is badass. First Clancy book that wasn't 150 pages of buildup... just right into the shit. Lets go.
I think melusi is one of the biggest examples of the importance of this stuff. I thought when she was dropped she was the most pandering sounding character ever; yeah sure she’s part of an all women African anti poaching force that definitely sounds real. It totally sounds like a backstory made up to make her seem like a real girl boss to make a character seem strong and super lovable like the zebra rescue scene from lou2.
Except it’s actually real. Yeah. That things real there actually is an all women military unit built around counter poaching. And honestly that’s kinda cool. You learn more about the world when you give a shit about this stuff.
Already excited for this
honestly i'm a big fan of these history/geopolitics oriented videos, they're always a great watch
That was a really entertaining video! Great editing too! I thought it was very educational and funny
This was a fantastic video, Greg. Bravo.
Thank you for your support, it really means a lot for us
I would say that i am the lucky one, i'm not shelled every day, yet sometimes, when i hear the sirens i cant help but think how some people in the west are desperately looking for nefarious groups and organisations lurking in shadows, plotting to do bad things to their countries, when there is a 140 million group of such people overseas. It seems nuts.
Love these types of videos from you!
I love your videos especially these type of ones who edumacate me thank you sir!
I'm not a politics fella but I do enjoy Gregor talking about stuff and not blaming one party for all the problems that are relevant.
I read the book years ago, and I remember the premise and 'action' scenes being really good. However, the in-between scenes were trying to establish camaraderie between the teams were...awkward at best
I am so glad that i found Gregor because this dude is quite literally my favorite content creator ever. I love this type of shit and he kept me in throughout the entire video which is rare because people be mad boring but not Gregor. Thank you Gregor and have a good day
Oh my god this is so true the best video I have seen on this so thank you thank you so much ❤
Absolutely love this video my guy
Gregor, I just want to say thank you for talking about the book, even for just a second. I started reading it a week or two ago thanks to my dad finding a copy of it in a stash he had after I was expressing to him how fun the games are. Not enough people realize that Tom Clancy made this world and story, not Ubisoft.
I'm sure many here are aware of Tom Clancy and 9/11. When Captain Sato flew his 747 into the new inauguration ceremony in Debt Of Honor it was essentially a decapitation strike in that all of the senior political leadership would be in one place at one time. Sometime between then and 2001, Clancy spoke with a USAF officer about the concept of using an airliner as a weapon. When quizzed about this on Charlie Rose he stated the Japanese had used it in WW2 (and in his book the JAL Captain was avenging Japanese losses at the hands of the Americans during a brief conflict between them, and mention is made of Banzai Cliff.) He also stated that he came up with the idea while he was at college as a theoretical exercise. It's really good to find a channel bridging the gap between the Tom Clancy name as it may have been in the 80s/90s and the Tom Clancy of Rainbow Six/HAWX/Ghost Recon/Splinter Cell. For what it's worth, Red Storm Rising is really, really in-depth as a techno-thriller. Tom Clancy himself was often credited with inventing the techno-thriller as a genre, but he said that Michael Crichton did that when he wrote the Andromeda Strain. Such a humble, interesting, knowledgeable man. Taken from us too soon some would say, but I think that was he still alive, he'd be disgusted at the chaos of the world today.
I still don't get people complaining about Flores or Azami when the game itself says they're assets. They have to be playable exactly like the other characters but in lore they clearly won't go headfirst into a firefight.
Good ass video. 12-25 minute news/education (maybe argumentative) commentary videos from your channel are some of my favourite things to watch/listen to anywhere. Feels like all the homies hate siege at this point, but using it as a centre point to jump off of for a video about a related topic works very well I think because all the viewers are starting from the same place and can be more or less expected to have the same level of existing background knowledge. Long winded comment, but good ass video and I will always click away from whatever I’m already doing to watch your videos like this. Thank you Gregory 👍
Andor is exceptional (and one of the best star wars stories I've watched so far) and yes you should go and watch it to give yourself a better understanding of "sides". Good vid bud. I shall i now try Jack Ryan...
I agree with you but it seems like you sort of deliberately avoided more unrealistic and silly character ideas like amaru ETC for the sake of the point, wondering what you think of that
Excellent video, looking forward to your book review!
To be fair, Ukraine also didn't think Russia would invade the rest of the country after they had already taken Crimea and part of the Donbas.
Thank you for pointing out the similarities to the sudetenland and Crimea. I was telling people that for some time before the invasion and I got called a conspiracy theorists or ignorant because "that'll never happen again, Russia isn't like them"
I came to watch a rant and instead I got cursed with Corporate Memphis Kronos, I will never forget this Gregor.
I feel like I'm in the minority where I don't mind the politics in siege. Like I don't follow it or anything, but I dont want it gone either. It's just a thing that exists. And I never really cared where an op was from, I was always more interested in their functionality than nationality. Maybe thats just me
My only complaint with the vid is the small tidbit you brought up about the first Captain America comic. If memory serves me correct (and it might not, it's been a few years since I was taught the exact details, however I believe the overall is correct) the makers of what would end up being DC and Marvel were Jewish immigrants who fled Europe because of the N*zis, and after they and all the other Jews were trying to warm everyone about the horrible things the N*zis were doing, only to fall on deaf ears due to American Isolationism. As a way to try and make their voices heard, they turned to making comics. You brought up the First Captain America comic, but you failed to mention it was in March, not after the U.S. declared war in December.
Ironically, the comic industry would later be accused of being communist propaganda and would have tons of restrictions placed on it after WW2. If you want a book about the creation of comics I recommend the amazing adventures of kavalier and clay, it's a fictionalized take on what happened, but is still very good.
You say believable characters, but Oryx came with Iana, and both Jordan and the Netherlands have world class CTUs to pick and choose from which were not used. Siege sold me on release with realistic representations of FBI HRT, GIGN, GSG-9, and Spetsnaz packaged with a mixed pace tactical shooter. Your point about it being "believable characters" really falls flat on its face when the precedent set on the game's release was much more realistic.
Iana isn't from a CTU. She's a aerospace engineer that somehow passed in becoming an astronaut despite the fact she should be handicapped by albinism because she has a special pair of high-tech contact lenses. That's the most Mary-Sue shit I've ever heard, and compared to someone simple like Thatcher who is a 40 year SAS veteran who is grumpy about new technology, it sounds like piss poor writing.
I really enjoy these types of videos would love to see more
Good video Greg! This is a nice side project of yours besides your usual Siege related content, so keep up the good work. From Russia with love!
Hey greg, really appreciate the vid I love that this silly lil game can mean a lot of things moving forward in this political climate. I think it'd be a mistake to ignore why Rainbow exists and why it needs different perspectives. I hope maybe you can do more digging on units like you did with the GIGN and SPETSNAZ, those were really interesting to me.
0:20 damn bro that hit really close to home.
Lol perfect timinf I just finished watching andor last night. Good video as always
Well said!
This is the greatest ad for Andor I've ever seen.
I wasnt conpletely on board with your arguments hut "there is a lot of german people in Czechoslovakia" hit right at home.
I read that book in seventh grade and it feels like a game of siege with a bunch of lore
WE NEED MORE OF THESE KINDA VIDEOS
"Russia will not invade" was a good demonstration that a lot of "political" figured hold positions because they're popular or they feel right and rarely have anything to truly back their beliefs
loved this
Bro when you said “but they could put a gun on it” and you went “what? They could put a gun on anything” got me dying
Damn, good vid.
8:30 seeing nonagon infinity gave me a chuckle
This is the video I've been waiting for.
informative and funny asff
I both grew up in that area and went to middle/high school with Tom Clancy's kids
TOM CLANCY’S rainbow six featuring master chief and Rick Sancez. Directed by Ubisoft and sponsored by Red Bull.
Laugh
1:47 LMFAO
13 hours is actually a really good movie. I would recommend it heavily.
Guys I got the book “Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six” by Tom Clancy. When does this “Jynxzi” fellow appear in the book?
I laughed at the Greenland/Iceland bit.😆
Hello from Montreal!
5:45 Chinese Propaganda has this weird tendency to make America look way cooler than it is, to the point Americans see it and go "Man I WISH we went that hard"
Ngl, that gunthrone looks lit.
I found a bunch of his books for 50 cents at a book sale this year. Really regret not buying them now
The video culminated into the perfect message. How did Disney accidently manage to create a good Star Wars show? I'll never know.
PLEASE Gregor diversify your content. Create a second channel if need be. You're an amazing analyst and great thinker, and you have a fun side to your content too! We'd love videos outside of siege, videos that cover politics and stuff like that.
MEXICAN ESPECIAL FORCES