The Sith can cooperate actually, they just do it for selfish reasons. Which is why every Sith Empire collapses unless it has a collective goal. The Brotherhood of Darkness was kept alive solely by the common goal to destroy the Jedi but Darth Bane realized that it could not sustain itself if it won the war. The reason behind the Rule of Two was primarily to keep the Sith alive during the absence of war. It also ensures that each Dark Lord is stronger than the last. The Sith seek immortality, and the Sith Order itself provides them with a sense of immortality.
Yes I love Darth bane book series that explains how important patience would be fore his new era. He even trained his apprentice Zannah to be patient before anything else
I’ve been seeing a lot of people saying that the sith hiding for 1000 years without trying something doesn’t make sense (in an attempt to justify the acolyte mostly)but that’s the entire point Bane created sith that evolved into something else and that’s why they won they learned to play the long game instead of brute force
And they were trying stuff all along, Plagueis and Tenebrous were working on a force plague that would target only Jedi but it never came to fruition. Meanwhile the entire time they're acquiring wealth, influence, allies, power etc. to manipulate galactic politics and push the Jedi into position for where they need to be.
Except that it doesnt make sense that adherants to an ideology based on selfishness and lust for power would be happy to sit in the background and build for someone else. What took so long anyway? It seems like most of the plan to overthrow the Jedi was accomplished in Plagus and Palpatines reign - the infiltration of the republic, the maneuvering of the Separatist War, the chancelorship, the sleeper clone troops - all done in that last generation or two of Sith. What were they doing in all that time before that??
@@ChiefDJS that’s how they won they overcame their flaws and how long do you think it would take to overthrow the republic and the Jedi they needed funds, influence, power, and an amazing plan. Look at palps he needed it to look like the Jedi attacked him so he could justify order 66 and the hunting of all Jedi to gain public support and ultimate power they couldn’t just take it like they tried in ancient times they had to play politics
Let's also not forget that Darth Gravid was drawn to the light side and destroyed a large amount of Sith lore before being killed by his apprentice, which set the Grand Plan back so much that Darth Plagueis speculated that the Jedi and the Republic would have already been toppled had it not been for him.
It reminds me of SWTOR. The top Sith tend to be more patient and opportunistic. Thus, they are successful and longer lived (ex. Darth Marr and Darth Baras) even if they are still coldblooded and unrelenting. Meanwhile, impatient, bloodthirsty Sith rarely go beyond henchmen who die in the field. Sure, they can kill well, but they aren’t given a chance to become more. On the rare chance they do, they soon tend to die after crossing the wrong person (ex. Darth Thanatos and the Dark Councilors who died after less than a year). Meanwhile, the Jedi rarely charge in blind and succeed when they do. They only attack Dromund Kaas once after exhausting other options, but they land a crushing blow.
In the EU the Dark Bane order of Sith also spent a significant portions of time researching immortality & the various ways to comeback & prolong life. These Sith Lords believed they would be alive to witness fall of Jedi. A few actually did realize they wouldn’t see Jedi downfall but pure hatred of Jedi & desire for vengeance( several of them prior to becoming Sith had beef with Republic or Jedi) that gladly devoted years of lives to the plan.
Funny enough though, Darth Bane was Wollongong to follow his new rule of two to the letter, but his apprentice was too passive and he was worried she would wait for him to die of old age and that is the only reason he went after immortality or atleast a means to extend his life to train a new apprentice. In the end Zannah proved worthy
I think the core of the Sith code is drawing power from emotions, namely negative emotions (anger, fear, jealousy, etc.). To master the dark side of the force, one must learn to channel emotions, which does involve a level of self-control and discipline. However, focusing only on negative emotions for power does give Sith a need to fulfill their own selfish desires, which is why they are prone to over-ambition. This was Palpatine’s eventual fate, as the success he achieved was not enough, and he had to continue to seek new powers in order to fuel his hunger.
The dark side is like a drug or bad habit, it's there and can never go away even if you want it to. It offers you a "boost" of sorts and the more you use it, the more you're relying on it, and then addiction. But like all bad habits, you can resist or even stop entirely but it takes patience and of course practice.
It is very interesting how the ease of access and appeal of the dark side Yoda' mentions, mirrors the ease and appeal of indulging fear, hatred, and dark thoughts in real life.
Sidious caused Anakin to be born. He manipulated Anakin’s mother’s biology (midiclorians) to conceive a pregnancy without a biological father. It was intentional. It wasn’t just a coincidence or luck they were alive at the same time.
They slowly won the galaxy over 1000 years but lost it after only 24 years. Imo the Rule of Two should've been discarded during their endgame (the Clone Wars) because despite all the rivalry, the Sith Empires of old were still able to function for centuries-millennia at a time.
Palpatine kinda did discard it, in practice if not in name. The whole point of the rule of two is for the apprentice to supplant the master eventually ensuring the strength of the Sith only grows, but Palpatine had no intention of ever being supplanted. Once Vader became a charred husk, Palps was totally content to keep an apprentice that could NEVER become stronger than him, and that suited him just fine. Sidious, not Krayt, really began the Rule of One.
Hey Thor, Always a pleasure to get a response to one of my questions. I appreciate that you made a distinction between Lucas' concept for the original six movies vs. Legends continuity, and I thought that your idea that the Sith harness fear and hatred as motivators to remain patient was brilliant. Cheers!
Hey Thor I thought id ask a question I have in the past too, if the original trilogy was all that existed what would you have made next, could have been films, tv shows etc, what era and story would you have made directly after return of the jedi?
Well said. I'd also add that the dark side feels more powerful, especially when you first fall to it, because you are using the force with no restriction or constraint as a jedi would. I think, when looking at Palpatine, you have to understand there is a huge difference between falling to the dark side and mastering it. Falling is, in essence, lashing out. Mastering the dark side is having developed the discipline to channel your hate and anger through the force without losing self-control or behaving recklessly. Vader's a pretty good example. He doesn't have that discipline in episode 3, is drunk on his "new powers", and acts recklessly, which results in getting crispy and habinh to wear a painful suit the rest of his life. One of the few good things in the Kenobi series is that we see Vader has started to develop that discipline...until he encounters Obi Wan. After that his hatred and bloodlust for Kenobi results in Vader acting more emotionally and unhinged, which results in him losing agqin to Kenobi (and should have resulted in his destruction. It's bad enough even Palpatine has to tell him to forget about Kenobi, basically let it go. But by OT period, Vader is cold as ice and in complete control. He uses the dark side powerfully and decisively with a horrifying outward calmness. On the Death Star he treats Kenobi as if he's just one mire jedi to kill. He's vurtually unstoppable, only losing again when Luke taps into the dark side and nearly falls himself.
Hey Thor, curious on your take on this. I noticed several marketing around The Acolyte not being directly about the show. Two examples are the ones about Amandala playing violin and her reaction to Hayden sending her a video. To me this is sort of a “red flag” being the show should just be advertised on the merits of the show. Like I don’t mind that sort of video after a show is released to make me appreciate the show more, rather than trying to hype me for something we haven’t seen yet. It’s screams to me “hey look how likable this person is, watch our show.” Rather than us liking a person on the merit of the work. Thank you for your videos, and allowing me a way to share this point of view.
I know a "Fan With Too Much Time" did have an interesting theory that the Sith master actively trains their murderers wholeheartedly. The reason for this is a discrete kind of soul fusion kinda deal, where the Baneite Sith actively give up identity and physical form to gain eternal life and more power through joining with their apprentices, selfless only in the sense of the act of seeking greater selfish highs. Hence why Bane needed Zannah to kill him before he became frail and weak, and why Palpatine had a sharp boost in power and perception after murdering Plagueis. With it comes an inherited, instinctive memory, hence why Palpatine so rapidly learned every piece of Sith knowledge they ever collected and mastered the then existing Lightsaber forms, because Sith prior to him had learned these things and even practiced the theory behind them.
Interesting idea, but one determinant on forces of good being ignorant and blind. Trying to determine a person's intellect based on their moral alignment doesn't seem very perceptive. Perhaps it's just that evil had always played on easy mode, and it would die in the womb if life decided to not destroy good before it: "got gud".
The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins. It always wins because it is everywhere. It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet. The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
And by this logic, the only way light can prevail is if it wraps around darkness with its embrace, not by moving infinitely away and believing itself to be holier than thou. Such an embrace will quell that darkness, not out of selfishness, but out of love and selflessness.
Makes sense that the dark would give a person the taste of achieving short term goals. Then once that power has been felt that one would learn the patience to achieve long term goals.
Hey Thor, I was wondering why members of the separatists didn't speak out against the atrocities committed by Dooku and Grevious. I mean in the clone wars show, not all separatists members were as cruel as Nute Gunray and its hard to believe they were completely oblivious to the planets that were attacked non provoked by the separatists like Ryloth being a prime example.
Hey Thor - really enjoy your videos and opinions. I saw the original New Hope in the theater as a 7 yr old, so SW has been a huge part of my life and honestly my philosophy of life. I find you get it and articulate it well. My question is: how did Anakin become a force ghost? Forgive me if you have covered this elsewhere- or if I am missing it in the prequels or one of the series. Please point me to the answer. I was underwhelmed by most of Disney SW so far, but I’m always happy to see Hayden as Anakin and Ewan as Obi-wan. Thanks, keep up the great work!
Hey Thor … it’s hard to ask a good question, especially one that hasn’t been asked before. But here I go trying to… I realize that Lucas had Anakin bring balance to the force with his defeat of Palpatine at the end of episode 6, but now that there have been stories since then and Palpatine “somehow returned”, is there perhaps an opportunity for Anakin’s prophesied action to bring balance still yet to come ?? Could Filoni with Lucas’ blessing continue Anakin’s journey to the actual new big moment somewhere still to be shown? Where it’s a job that it takes Force Ghost Anakin to perform that actually balances the Force for a much much longer period of time than the mere years until Palpatine (somehow) returned?? Thanks for a great channel!!
I like this interpretation you put forward and it’s in line with how I think about Star Wars. George said that they’re made for people coming of age and I think that the force and lessons around it are really about life lessons. So maybe they’re hard to map onto the force in the story of times but in the end he’s just trying to give basic guidelines on how to be a decent person
Really the only thing that is going to make sense for the Acolyte is if only a padawan survives and informs the council at the time that she learned there are still Sith in the galaxy and the padawan has to discover Bane's Rule of Two AND the council has to disregard her and basically write it off as a hysterical trauma stricken padawan because that could finally fix a plot hole in The Phantom Menace at the end of the movie during QGJ's funeral where Yoda and Mace discuss the Sith and how there are ALWAYS TWO a Master and an Apprentice: HOW ARE THEY AWARE OF BANE"S RULE OF TWO IF MAUL IS THE FIRST SITH TO REVEAL THEMSELF IN A THOUSAND YEARS????
The Dark Side is more impulsive because of the temptation of power...but that's what made Palpatine unique was having Jedi like patience to execute a grand master plan for the comeback of the Sith, as himself as the head of it. Having that patience does not necessarily negate the general idea that the Dark Side has generally a path for those who crave power fast and are impatient. The Sith wouldn't have been around for so long if they were just rabid animals with no sense of control... they still have to have some form of control or they would burn out fast.
Directly challenging the Jedi quickly results in 10000 vs 2 fight, that leads to death something that the sith fear the most so they had come up with more underhanded ways while taking a mental health day by killing random people every once in a while
A Sith's patience is a key to their survival. If one sith decides they were tired of waiting so they were just going to directly blunt force attack the Jedi letting them know that they're doing it they are going to be defeated. But if they do it patiently and through subterfuge like Palpatine did they have a higher chance of winning
Hey Thor! I asked a similar question a while back, about the mechanics of this topic. I copied it here again to add to the conversation: I was thinking about why is the dark path faster, easier to get power from? I have a theory, but I'm very interested about your take on it. I think it comes down to a similar thing about visualization, when a Jedi waves their hand to levitate something, or a darksider chokes someone with their fingers in a griplike position, it helps the mind focus on the result. Just like the X-wing in the swamp, if you don't believe it to be possibe, you will fail. I would say, stong emotions work like this, they give a boost to the mind to get the result. And strong emotions are mostly to the benefit of the self. Fear is nothing more but a failsafe to alert the mind about danger to the body. When you have fear of height, you are more careful near cliffs. And it is easy to listen to fear, the mind gets the boost, the force responds. It results in a selfish, self preserving act. But it is hard to go against that fear, for example, when you have to sacrifice for the benefit of others, you have to fight your mind, your sefl preservation to act like a Jedi. So what do you think about it? Is there something to it, or am I way off?
It's crazy to me that after loving star wars for my entire life and always looking forward to new SW projects I'm now at the point of dreading the release of new Disney SW stuff. Just wondering what kind of cringe they will inject into it.
Just looking at the screen, cap, impatient is not quite the word I would use for the sith. Maybe in terms of some Jedi they may seem impatient. But as far as I can tell, bane had tremendous self-control in forethought for the future of the rule of two Sith. So did darth Plagueis. But to be quite honest with you Darth sidious did what he did for so many years for the love of the game. I think he absolutely loved playing the politics. And once he won, he actually seem kind of listless afterwards at least politically. And just threw himself into studying the force there on out.
The Rule of Two did not stem from concern for the ''Sith lineage'', but allowed the Master to exist without competition, which he could not control and waste his strength fighting others of his kind. It was therefore continued as a system that had proven successful. In addition, each of them was convinced that he would be the one, someone who, with the help of a well-trained assistant, would defeat the Jedi and take absolute power.
Well the sith are a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. Every true sith we’ve seen in the movies and tv shows has been very intelligent so obviously they are not dumb enough to rush like idiots to fight 10000 Jedi when there are only two of them. They do have a good degree with patience otherwise they would have failed miserably. But I do agree with you that fear is a big part of it but I would also add strategic thinking. From what we’ve seen the sith are usually very strategic when it comes to obtaining power from themselves in the short and long term. That along with fear and joy from manipulations like you mentioned can make therm very patient. Granted this is only when it’s in their best interest.
Palpatine was impatient. Darth Banes plan was not to use clones to destroy the jedi but have a sith duo so powerful they could solo the whole jedi order. The sith were not that powerful yet. Palpatine should have trained an apprentice and died at thier hands like the rule of 2 said he should. He was not the chosen sith to destroy the jedi. It needed a few more generations at least. He got greedy and impatient and thought he was the end of the cycle which is why his plan did not wipe out the jedi and he eventually failed and the sith were destroyed.
Hey Thor, what do you think Martial Arts choreography that we seen so far? I mean it does look good but at the same time it looks kinda generic to me, in that it reminds me of fight scenes I've seen in other shows with the exception of the use of the Force which I kinda figured a Jedi would use more of during a fight. I dunno still got to see the first episode, but seeing Carrie Ann Moss fighting I just keep thinking back to the Matrix.
It’s not that the dark side instantly makes you endgame OP. It’s that the dark side corrupts you. Look at Yuthara Ban (I may have misspelled that). She wanted to rescue children back home like the Jedi rescued her, but the Jedi wouldn’t do that just like how Qui-Gon didn’t save Anakin’s mom. She decided to join the Sith, rises in the ranks, becomes very powerful, and doesn’t even realize she no longer cares about her old altruistic plans. When you bring this up she insists she does still care but you can hear that she’s lying to herself. Yes the Sith can still be patient and intelligent. That’s not the difference.
This makes me think of something else. What do you think was Palpatine's plan for the events of Episode I? Padme and the Jedi clearly foiled his immediate plans (killing his apprentice, keeping Naboo from signing the treaty, etc.). The clones hadn't been commissioned yet, Dooku hadn't been recruited yet, so these were clearly adjustments made post-Naboo. So what do you think would have happened if Sidious had gotten his way completely?
He did get his way - he became Chancellor. He created the Naboo Crisis for that exact goal, and iirc he was one of the people who advised Valorum to skip ahead to deploying Jedi negotiators/investigators without a full Senate debate, though of course he acts surprised as Sidious when informed of the Jedi presence. Obviously he would have preferred not to lose his apprentice (in the Outbound Flight novel, set 5 years later, one of Palpatine's minions laments the death of Maul removing a plan to distract and misdirect the Jedi while "trimming the edges of their close-knit group" i.e. assassinations), and he had to switch to Plan B for setting up the Separatist Movement, but it's not like he didn't have that Plan B "And if that fails, a Plan C, and well, you know how the alphabet goes" already. I wouldn't put it past him to have planned to have Maul and Tyranus at the same time (each believing themself to be the true Apprentice and the other a pawn) keeping different parts of the plan going.
This video made me think about Darth Vectivus, who supposedly had a preexisting code of ethics and underlying self discipline before becoming the Dark Lord of the Sith and acquiring the title of "Darth." Perhaps his life up to the point of becoming a Dark Lord was a constant battle to keep his selfishness under control? A battle of conscience like the Apostle Paul in Romans 7:15-25, where he continually finds himself doing the things that he shouldn't do, rather than those things that he feels that he should do. But unlike Paul, Vectivus lost that battle to his selfishness and became a Sith. "So once you start down the Dark Path.." I agree - it has to become a habitual practice - the path of the Dark Side - selling yourself to it, all the while convincing yourself every step of the way that it's the 'right' way, even though its not the best way in the end. Its harder to fight those selfish impulses to become the better version of yourself, thinking of others before you think of yourself, and easier to just take advantage of any and every situation for yourself. Its harder to forgive yourself of failures in the past and easier to remind yourself of all of your failures, so that those memories of failure weigh you down rather than fly away and giving you the mental agility to make a better choice in the future. But even though the Dark Side is seductive, perhaps embodying patience and other laudable qualities to a certain extent to realize a certain prominence, the Dark Side is still impatient and still self seeking in the end. Its constantly after power and materialism, contrasting with the Light which is after peace, love and charity without reward, seeking only to ascend in spirit. And then the conflict within Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, standing there right next to the Emperor, who sought to kill Luke because Luke had the peace that the Emperor could only achieve through domination, finally said "No" to selfishness and domination, motivated by the love of his son to seek to ascend in spirit instead. And he was finally able to break through, proving that he could, finally, ascend - not doing that which he shouldn't do, and finally doing that which he should do, Must do, was Destined to do, and he finally did it - throwing his ambition and hate in the form of the Emperor (and it truly was the Emperor as well) over that rail, cutting himself off from the Dark Path while the Dark Path exacted its revenge, its toll, by taking Anakin's life, and Anakin making that final choice to ascend in spirit to the Light. Finally the unquestioned Jedi Master.
Hey, Thor. In the past you’ve made a few videos on the Thrawn Trilogy, but I was wondering what are some of your other favourite EU projects? Have you read Darth Plagueis and the Bane Trilogy especially since I hoping we get some references to them in the Acolyte.
He always mentions Plagueis, but never mentions Darth Bane. I don't think he's read them. Or he has and prefers the cringe Darth Bane from TCW to the chad EU's Darth Bane.
The impatient Sith were the apprentices who got themselves killed. They had to learn patience to survive long enough to reach the point where they could kill their master.
I have always understood it that there is a difference between a dark side user and a Sith. Dark side users, like inquisitors ,are very susceptible to things like impatience, cowardice and wrath but a Sith is far less hampered by these things allowing the grand plans we see in the movies.
so what I took away from the Yoda scenes is that the dark side is like a very addictive drug, the more you use it the harder it is for you to not use it
For me it falls to two answers. 1) The Sith stayed hidden because they were too busy killing themselves for anyone to realize they were still around. Sort of a constant backstabbing before anyone actually got anything done. 2) Palps and Vader were exceptions. Anakin fell to the dark side and while he may have gotten stronger... He also got his but kicked by his mentor and jumped straight where Obi Wan told him to jump to. Vader was in control of his emotions and while he did use them they were tools under his command rather than being commanded by his emotions. It is why Palps had his empire fail when he tried to copy the Sith of old ruling method. Every imperial officer promoted became more incompetent and wasteful. More kept stabbing each other in the back. He had a powerful empire with no rivals and rule over a galaxy... Fall apart in a few short years by a moisture farmer and a princess with no subjects. The dark side is easy yes... But it also easily leads quickly to your own defeat. (and yes I mean a few short years as until the Death Star was complete we just got the rot of corruption rather than the full blown idiocy of it as Palps had to play it smartly... Or his last brain cells died.)
Hey Thor, why does it seem like so many Old Republic Sith are able to achieve a form of immortality? I thought part of the irony of the Sith was that they wanted eternal life, but only the Jedi can find that through unifying with the Force in death. Would love to hear your take, I'm sure I'm missing something
A good chunk of Sith Lords were probably motivated by their sheer hatred of the Jedi. So I could see them pouring everything they had into something that would eventually destroy them even if it wasn't them to do it.
Personally i always thought that this was the entire point of the Prequels, it wasn't that "jedi = wrong" or "Sith = right" it was thatthe jedi tied themselves to the earthly Republic while the sith went against nature to plan... However on the generational plan i think each master made a plan for themselves and their student, so. Eventually Palpatine just happened to be that 1000th cut of a strategy.
Hey Thor, how bad does Disney Star Wars have to get before you choose another franchise for videos, or expand into other topics? What would it take? According to latest rumors episode 3 of the Acolyte is supposed to really have the potential of angering pre Disney fans even further, if that is even possible. Yoda maybe?
Think Palpatine was just in the right place at the right time. He decided to work within the system and was able to take control. He was an expert manipulator, but again, his training as an apprentice gave him the foundation
A lot of it is arrogance from Yoda's part. I don't believe he will ever admit it. But he genuinely bought into his own hype by the time of the Clone wars. He genuinely thought that he could walk in alone and stomp Sidious without a plan. Because he is Yoda. Just like how Windu believed he could walk in, kill Sidious, and then walk off without any consequences.
Kylo Ren was set up in Episode VII to be a dark side force user who was prone to outbursts of anger and who couldn't control his own emotions. There was a lot of promise there in exploring this aspect of the force. Unfortunately, like everything in the ST, this idea was dropped and utterly squandered in the subsequent films to where nothing came of it.
The difference between a Sith and a Dark Jedi is that a Sith can be cold and calculating when necessary. Dark Jedi would rush into battle high on the dark side, while Sith stop and think before acting rashly. That's what makes them so much more dangerous than merely rabid monsters consumed by the dark side.
yeah, Palpatine seems to be above the basic Sith (like maul), Patience is why he is the best. So this wasn't easy or fast for him but surely in his younger years, he had to fall to dark side to quickly gain power, just like Anakin was very impulsive during the clone wars and quickly gained power thanks to the Dark Side and the other Jedi didn't spot him.
No Sith Lord had practice patience until Darth Bane. He saw the flaws of the brotherhood of darkness filled with wannabe sith and realized they could not fight another war with the Jedi in the open. Instead the shadows would be their ally. He trained his apprentice Zannah the concept of patience first to ensure she would pass it on to her apprentice, whether this philosophy was passed down for that 1000 is unclear but I’m sure the bane era sith took the concept under strong advisement.
Hey Thor, did you see that report from Alan NG from FilmThreat stating that Episode 3 from the Acolyte will put the final nail in the coffin for Pre Disney SW fans? Apparently the show tinkers with The Force in a way which will be even more badly received than The Last Jedi and even reshape how we see A New Hope… I have a really bad feeling about this! MTFBWY
The wise Sith Master would know Sith history & hide in the shadows & firmly instruct their apprentice for years upon years to listen to history & hide. The Apprentice would thus mature & grow wise under these teachings until they were strong enough to kill their Master. The wise Sith Master also would probably never give their Apprentice a starship to leave planet unless they sensed & knew the Apprentice's loyalty. Just my thoughts
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From the amount of time that the old EU authors discussed the Sith with George Lucas as they were writing it, the various Sith empires over the course of thousands of years in the Old Republic followed his words. As we see in the games, books, graphic novels, they just as much fought against each other as they did the Jedi. To state that there can _only_ be 2 Sith is asinine and hypocritical when it's stated that the Sith created these empires and ruled the galaxy while they killed each other for power. So, which is it: there were two Sith or there was a bunch of them?
Hey Thor, do you think that palpatine is kinda stupid for essentially trading one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever (who wanted to abandon the rule of two and essentially have two Sith masters of equal status) for basically a rabid Sith attack dog? Ultimately this decision led his empire to only last for about 20 years which is super pathetic. Hot take, but having elaborate, overly complicated plans doesn’t always yield the best results and therefore isn’t always the smartest move
Thor I very much agree with your interpretation of the Sith. With their selfishness and lust for power, it seems almost inconceivable that in a thousand years there wouldn't have been some abortive attempts made to put their own plan into motion rather than just happily sitting back and building for their future murderer apprentice. The Sith were less hiding than lying in wait of opportunity. I wonder if this is not what we will see in the Alcolyte - one of these aborted attempts to put a plan in motion that failed even before the Jedi could fully understand ehat wad actually happening.
Dark and light are not different "entities", they're both sides of the same force... There is no stronger side and the force itself is not good or evil, what is good or evil are the people and the way they use it. It's an energy field that binds the galaxy together. If you pull it stronger on one side, it's stronger on that side. It simply is easier for humans to pull on the side of passion, hate and anger than on the side of calm and peace and balance, which can be proven with views on hateful clickbait TH-cam videos. :D Being patient is easier when you're super excited about keeping your eyes on a selfish prize, spending all your evenings fantasizing about your revenge.
These discussions on Jedi vs. Sith and the dark side has gotten me confused on how you stand. Half the time you say that there should _only_ _be_ 2 Sith and that writers and creators at Lucasfilm should follow Lucas' words to the letter on that point. That anyone following dark side should be considered Sith, nothing else. On the other half, you want to see Lucasfilm explore the Old Republic where there are Jedi vs. Sith battles and when the Sith have an empire and rule the galaxy. Sith as in plural, as in there is more than one calling themselves Sith, and that they have massive followers, but those should not be considered Sith (if not Sith, then what are they called? Dark siders? Dark Jedi? Dark acolytes?). So, which is it?
《The Dizney Side of The FORCED is the Pathway to CONtent MANy fans consider to be NON-CANON》 ~Bob The (EMPIRE) Builder ..."It's MY REY, or The HIGHWAY!!!"... ~Darth K.K. ..."Mi nombre es "¿Qué?" ..."¿Qué Skywalker?" ~Darth J.J. ..."No, YOUR Luke SUCKS" ~Darth R.J. ..."This Is The Way" i look at it... ...All FORCE Users are like Athletes...? ...Jedi use The FORCE... ...Sith use The FORCE AND Steroids...? ...(or "STARoids?")... ...and Jedi consider "Staroids" to be UNNATURAL... ...maybe "Grey Jedi" are just SITH that have Turned BACK to The LIGHT Side...? ...maybe they are actually LESS Powerful than MOST Jedi because there is a Greater RISK of them Falling to The DARK Side (Again)...? ...which is why Yoda says "Forever will it Dominate Your Destiny" 👽 🖖 🤖 ...Dave Filoni has Undoubtedly Fallen to The Dizney Side of the FORCED, but i beliEve there is still GOOD in him, "The House of Mouse" has not driven it from him Fully... ...and George Lucas will Always be "MR. (JEDI) UNIVERSE" in my book!!! (i Will Not Fight You on this)
Thor, I think you're spreading misinformation. You keep saying over and over George said Star Wars is for 12-year-old boys. This is partly true. He did say it was marketed to 12-year-olds. But I have NEVER seen him once ever say it was for boys specifically. Every quote I've seen says it was for 12-year-olds. Where did you get this idea?
Hey so 1 I think your being a bit nit picky aren't you and 2 the first video i pressed on after looking it up George literally says it's for 12 year olds
The Sith can cooperate actually, they just do it for selfish reasons. Which is why every Sith Empire collapses unless it has a collective goal. The Brotherhood of Darkness was kept alive solely by the common goal to destroy the Jedi but Darth Bane realized that it could not sustain itself if it won the war. The reason behind the Rule of Two was primarily to keep the Sith alive during the absence of war. It also ensures that each Dark Lord is stronger than the last. The Sith seek immortality, and the Sith Order itself provides them with a sense of immortality.
Yes I love Darth bane book series that explains how important patience would be fore his new era. He even trained his apprentice Zannah to be patient before anything else
I’ve been seeing a lot of people saying that the sith hiding for 1000 years without trying something doesn’t make sense (in an attempt to justify the acolyte mostly)but that’s the entire point Bane created sith that evolved into something else and that’s why they won they learned to play the long game instead of brute force
And they were trying stuff all along, Plagueis and Tenebrous were working on a force plague that would target only Jedi but it never came to fruition.
Meanwhile the entire time they're acquiring wealth, influence, allies, power etc. to manipulate galactic politics and push the Jedi into position for where they need to be.
Except that it doesnt make sense that adherants to an ideology based on selfishness and lust for power would be happy to sit in the background and build for someone else.
What took so long anyway? It seems like most of the plan to overthrow the Jedi was accomplished in Plagus and Palpatines reign - the infiltration of the republic, the maneuvering of the Separatist War, the chancelorship, the sleeper clone troops - all done in that last generation or two of Sith.
What were they doing in all that time before that??
@@ChiefDJS that’s how they won they overcame their flaws and how long do you think it would take to overthrow the republic and the Jedi they needed funds, influence, power, and an amazing plan. Look at palps he needed it to look like the Jedi attacked him so he could justify order 66 and the hunting of all Jedi to gain public support and ultimate power they couldn’t just take it like they tried in ancient times they had to play politics
Let's also not forget that Darth Gravid was drawn to the light side and destroyed a large amount of Sith lore before being killed by his apprentice, which set the Grand Plan back so much that Darth Plagueis speculated that the Jedi and the Republic would have already been toppled had it not been for him.
@@ChiefDJS I'd say thor mostly covered the bases in the video
I’m always impressed the Sith waited so patiently to get their revenge
It reminds me of SWTOR. The top Sith tend to be more patient and opportunistic. Thus, they are successful and longer lived (ex. Darth Marr and Darth Baras) even if they are still coldblooded and unrelenting. Meanwhile, impatient, bloodthirsty Sith rarely go beyond henchmen who die in the field. Sure, they can kill well, but they aren’t given a chance to become more. On the rare chance they do, they soon tend to die after crossing the wrong person (ex. Darth Thanatos and the Dark Councilors who died after less than a year).
Meanwhile, the Jedi rarely charge in blind and succeed when they do. They only attack Dromund Kaas once after exhausting other options, but they land a crushing blow.
In the EU the Dark Bane order of Sith also spent a significant portions of time researching immortality & the various ways to comeback & prolong life. These Sith Lords believed they would be alive to witness fall of Jedi. A few actually did realize they wouldn’t see Jedi downfall but pure hatred of Jedi & desire for vengeance( several of them prior to becoming Sith had beef with Republic or Jedi) that gladly devoted years of lives to the plan.
Funny enough though, Darth Bane was Wollongong to follow his new rule of two to the letter, but his apprentice was too passive and he was worried she would wait for him to die of old age and that is the only reason he went after immortality or atleast a means to extend his life to train a new apprentice. In the end Zannah proved worthy
Not to mention that Darth Gravid set them back by several _hundred_ years.
Palpatine was essentially edging himself for his entire career, until Revenge of the Sith when he finally exploded
I think the core of the Sith code is drawing power from emotions, namely negative emotions (anger, fear, jealousy, etc.). To master the dark side of the force, one must learn to channel emotions, which does involve a level of self-control and discipline. However, focusing only on negative emotions for power does give Sith a need to fulfill their own selfish desires, which is why they are prone to over-ambition. This was Palpatine’s eventual fate, as the success he achieved was not enough, and he had to continue to seek new powers in order to fuel his hunger.
The dark side is like a drug or bad habit, it's there and can never go away even if you want it to. It offers you a "boost" of sorts and the more you use it, the more you're relying on it, and then addiction. But like all bad habits, you can resist or even stop entirely but it takes patience and of course practice.
The Rule of Two basically succeeded where the Sith Empire and old structures could not
It is very interesting how the ease of access and appeal of the dark side Yoda' mentions, mirrors the ease and appeal of indulging fear, hatred, and dark thoughts in real life.
Palpatine also got lucky, being born at the right time to have a Chosen One to corrupt.
Why? Anakin isn't important to Palpatines plan. He's just a vanity project. If Anakin dies or is never even born the Plan works just the same.
@@-Maxi.exe03 But Anakin certainly *will* be born. The variable is whether or not Spalpypeen is around when it happens.
Sidious caused Anakin to be born. He manipulated Anakin’s mother’s biology (midiclorians) to conceive a pregnancy without a biological father. It was intentional. It wasn’t just a coincidence or luck they were alive at the same time.
@@Armyjay That's not canon.
Speaking of the rule of two, in the legends novel darth plagueis, he mentions that very few sith actually honored it.
"In the game of force, you scheme, or you die." - the epitaph of Darth Westeros
"Muh Queef." - Darth Snow
They slowly won the galaxy over 1000 years but lost it after only 24 years. Imo the Rule of Two should've been discarded during their endgame (the Clone Wars) because despite all the rivalry, the Sith Empires of old were still able to function for centuries-millennia at a time.
Palpatine kinda did discard it, in practice if not in name. The whole point of the rule of two is for the apprentice to supplant the master eventually ensuring the strength of the Sith only grows, but Palpatine had no intention of ever being supplanted. Once Vader became a charred husk, Palps was totally content to keep an apprentice that could NEVER become stronger than him, and that suited him just fine.
Sidious, not Krayt, really began the Rule of One.
Would love a Tales of The Empire Arc with Palps after ROTS reflecting upon his victory and seeing some of the things he did as Emperor.
Hey Thor,
Always a pleasure to get a response to one of my questions. I appreciate that you made a distinction between Lucas' concept for the original six movies vs. Legends continuity, and I thought that your idea that the Sith harness fear and hatred as motivators to remain patient was brilliant. Cheers!
Amazing video as always Thor! I think you hit the nail on the head.
Hey Thor I thought id ask a question I have in the past too, if the original trilogy was all that existed what would you have made next, could have been films, tv shows etc, what era and story would you have made directly after return of the jedi?
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Well said. I'd also add that the dark side feels more powerful, especially when you first fall to it, because you are using the force with no restriction or constraint as a jedi would.
I think, when looking at Palpatine, you have to understand there is a huge difference between falling to the dark side and mastering it. Falling is, in essence, lashing out. Mastering the dark side is having developed the discipline to channel your hate and anger through the force without losing self-control or behaving recklessly.
Vader's a pretty good example. He doesn't have that discipline in episode 3, is drunk on his "new powers", and acts recklessly, which results in getting crispy and habinh to wear a painful suit the rest of his life. One of the few good things in the Kenobi series is that we see Vader has started to develop that discipline...until he encounters Obi Wan. After that his hatred and bloodlust for Kenobi results in Vader acting more emotionally and unhinged, which results in him losing agqin to Kenobi (and should have resulted in his destruction. It's bad enough even Palpatine has to tell him to forget about Kenobi, basically let it go.
But by OT period, Vader is cold as ice and in complete control. He uses the dark side powerfully and decisively with a horrifying outward calmness. On the Death Star he treats Kenobi as if he's just one mire jedi to kill. He's vurtually unstoppable, only losing again when Luke taps into the dark side and nearly falls himself.
Hey Thor, curious on your take on this. I noticed several marketing around The Acolyte not being directly about the show. Two examples are the ones about Amandala playing violin and her reaction to Hayden sending her a video. To me this is sort of a “red flag” being the show should just be advertised on the merits of the show. Like I don’t mind that sort of video after a show is released to make me appreciate the show more, rather than trying to hype me for something we haven’t seen yet. It’s screams to me “hey look how likable this person is, watch our show.” Rather than us liking a person on the merit of the work.
Thank you for your videos, and allowing me a way to share this point of view.
I know a "Fan With Too Much Time" did have an interesting theory that the Sith master actively trains their murderers wholeheartedly.
The reason for this is a discrete kind of soul fusion kinda deal, where the Baneite Sith actively give up identity and physical form to gain eternal life and more power through joining with their apprentices, selfless only in the sense of the act of seeking greater selfish highs. Hence why Bane needed Zannah to kill him before he became frail and weak, and why Palpatine had a sharp boost in power and perception after murdering Plagueis.
With it comes an inherited, instinctive memory, hence why Palpatine so rapidly learned every piece of Sith knowledge they ever collected and mastered the then existing Lightsaber forms, because Sith prior to him had learned these things and even practiced the theory behind them.
Dark Helmet said it best. “Now you see that evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."
Interesting idea, but one determinant on forces of good being ignorant and blind. Trying to determine a person's intellect based on their moral alignment doesn't seem very perceptive.
Perhaps it's just that evil had always played on easy mode, and it would die in the womb if life decided to not destroy good before it: "got gud".
The sith are so cool,I love the sith.The risks of the dark side are clear,the risks the Jedi took in the prequels weren’t so clear,food for thought.
The dark is generous, and it is patient, and it always wins. It always wins because it is everywhere. It is in the wood that burns in your hearth, and in the kettle on the fire; it is under your chair and under your table and under the sheets on your bed. Walk in the midday sun, and the dark is with you, attached to the soles of your feet. The brightest light casts the darkest shadow.
Acting like we would not see a ROTS Novel quote 🧐🤓😏
So in other words “ Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb.”
And by this logic, the only way light can prevail is if it wraps around darkness with its embrace, not by moving infinitely away and believing itself to be holier than thou. Such an embrace will quell that darkness, not out of selfishness, but out of love and selflessness.
When Star Wars novels were good.
Before Dave Filoni came along and invalidated those stories he claims to be a huge fan of.
Makes sense that the dark would give a person the taste of achieving short term goals. Then once that power has been felt that one would learn the patience to achieve long term goals.
You always make some great points.
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Hey Thor, I was wondering why members of the separatists didn't speak out against the atrocities committed by Dooku and Grevious. I mean in the clone wars show, not all separatists members were as cruel as Nute Gunray and its hard to believe they were completely oblivious to the planets that were attacked non provoked by the separatists like Ryloth being a prime example.
Hey Thor - really enjoy your videos and opinions. I saw the original New Hope in the theater as a 7 yr old, so SW has been a huge part of my life and honestly my philosophy of life. I find you get it and articulate it well. My question is: how did Anakin become a force ghost? Forgive me if you have covered this elsewhere- or if I am missing it in the prequels or one of the series. Please point me to the answer.
I was underwhelmed by most of Disney SW so far, but I’m always happy to see Hayden as Anakin and Ewan as Obi-wan. Thanks, keep up the great work!
The Sith should adopt the Bud's Buds program.
Somehow Bud returned!
Hey Thor …
it’s hard to ask a good question, especially one that hasn’t been asked before.
But here I go trying to…
I realize that Lucas had Anakin bring balance to the force with his defeat of Palpatine at the end of episode 6, but now that there have been stories since then and Palpatine “somehow returned”, is there perhaps an opportunity for Anakin’s prophesied action to bring balance still yet to come ??
Could Filoni with Lucas’ blessing continue Anakin’s journey to the actual new big moment somewhere still to be shown?
Where it’s a job that it takes Force Ghost Anakin to perform that actually balances the Force for a much much longer period of time than the mere years until Palpatine (somehow) returned??
Thanks for a great channel!!
I like this interpretation you put forward and it’s in line with how I think about Star Wars. George said that they’re made for people coming of age and I think that the force and lessons around it are really about life lessons. So maybe they’re hard to map onto the force in the story of times but in the end he’s just trying to give basic guidelines on how to be a decent person
Really the only thing that is going to make sense for the Acolyte is if only a padawan survives and informs the council at the time that she learned there are still Sith in the galaxy and the padawan has to discover Bane's Rule of Two AND the council has to disregard her and basically write it off as a hysterical trauma stricken padawan because that could finally fix a plot hole in The Phantom Menace at the end of the movie during QGJ's funeral where Yoda and Mace discuss the Sith and how there are ALWAYS TWO a Master and an Apprentice: HOW ARE THEY AWARE OF BANE"S RULE OF TWO IF MAUL IS THE FIRST SITH TO REVEAL THEMSELF IN A THOUSAND YEARS????
The Dark Side is more impulsive because of the temptation of power...but that's what made Palpatine unique was having Jedi like patience to execute a grand master plan for the comeback of the Sith, as himself as the head of it. Having that patience does not necessarily negate the general idea that the Dark Side has generally a path for those who crave power fast and are impatient. The Sith wouldn't have been around for so long if they were just rabid animals with no sense of control... they still have to have some form of control or they would burn out fast.
Directly challenging the Jedi quickly results in 10000 vs 2 fight, that leads to death something that the sith fear the most so they had come up with more underhanded ways while taking a mental health day by killing random people every once in a while
A Sith's patience is a key to their survival. If one sith decides they were tired of waiting so they were just going to directly blunt force attack the Jedi letting them know that they're doing it they are going to be defeated. But if they do it patiently and through subterfuge like Palpatine did they have a higher chance of winning
Hey Thor!
I asked a similar question a while back, about the mechanics of this topic. I copied it here again to add to the conversation:
I was thinking about why is the dark path faster, easier to get power from? I have a theory, but I'm very interested about your take on it. I think it comes down to a similar thing about visualization, when a Jedi waves their hand to levitate something, or a darksider chokes someone with their fingers in a griplike position, it helps the mind focus on the result. Just like the X-wing in the swamp, if you don't believe it to be possibe, you will fail.
I would say, stong emotions work like this, they give a boost to the mind to get the result. And strong emotions are mostly to the benefit of the self. Fear is nothing more but a failsafe to alert the mind about danger to the body. When you have fear of height, you are more careful near cliffs. And it is easy to listen to fear, the mind gets the boost, the force responds. It results in a selfish, self preserving act. But it is hard to go against that fear, for example, when you have to sacrifice for the benefit of others, you have to fight your mind, your sefl preservation to act like a Jedi.
So what do you think about it? Is there something to it, or am I way off?
I feel like Palpatine is the type of person that enjoyed the journey more then the destination he probably got bored when he was emperor lol
It's crazy to me that after loving star wars for my entire life and always looking forward to new SW projects I'm now at the point of dreading the release of new Disney SW stuff. Just wondering what kind of cringe they will inject into it.
Great video Thor Hopw the Acolyte don't break the lore No sith can be reveal in that show
Well... Patience is a path to anger, so...
What the hell are you talking about, do you even know?
@@Alpha_bit_co_isa_terror_org Have you ever needed to wait for a doctor or dentist? The waiting room of hell.
Just looking at the screen, cap, impatient is not quite the word I would use for the sith. Maybe in terms of some Jedi they may seem impatient.
But as far as I can tell, bane had tremendous self-control in forethought for the future of the rule of two Sith.
So did darth Plagueis.
But to be quite honest with you Darth sidious did what he did for so many years for the love of the game. I think he absolutely loved playing the politics.
And once he won, he actually seem kind of listless afterwards at least politically. And just threw himself into studying the force there on out.
The Rule of Two did not stem from concern for the ''Sith lineage'', but allowed the Master to exist without competition, which he could not control and waste his strength fighting others of his kind. It was therefore continued as a system that had proven successful. In addition, each of them was convinced that he would be the one, someone who, with the help of a well-trained assistant, would defeat the Jedi and take absolute power.
Well the sith are a lot of things but stupid isn’t one of them. Every true sith we’ve seen in the movies and tv shows has been very intelligent so obviously they are not dumb enough to rush like idiots to fight 10000 Jedi when there are only two of them. They do have a good degree with patience otherwise they would have failed miserably. But I do agree with you that fear is a big part of it but I would also add strategic thinking. From what we’ve seen the sith are usually very strategic when it comes to obtaining power from themselves in the short and long term. That along with fear and joy from manipulations like you mentioned can make therm very patient. Granted this is only when it’s in their best interest.
Palpatine was impatient. Darth Banes plan was not to use clones to destroy the jedi but have a sith duo so powerful they could solo the whole jedi order. The sith were not that powerful yet. Palpatine should have trained an apprentice and died at thier hands like the rule of 2 said he should. He was not the chosen sith to destroy the jedi. It needed a few more generations at least. He got greedy and impatient and thought he was the end of the cycle which is why his plan did not wipe out the jedi and he eventually failed and the sith were destroyed.
Hey Thor, what do you think Martial Arts choreography that we seen so far? I mean it does look good but at the same time it looks kinda generic to me, in that it reminds me of fight scenes I've seen in other shows with the exception of the use of the Force which I kinda figured a Jedi would use more of during a fight. I dunno still got to see the first episode, but seeing Carrie Ann Moss fighting I just keep thinking back to the Matrix.
It’s not that the dark side instantly makes you endgame OP. It’s that the dark side corrupts you. Look at Yuthara Ban (I may have misspelled that). She wanted to rescue children back home like the Jedi rescued her, but the Jedi wouldn’t do that just like how Qui-Gon didn’t save Anakin’s mom. She decided to join the Sith, rises in the ranks, becomes very powerful, and doesn’t even realize she no longer cares about her old altruistic plans. When you bring this up she insists she does still care but you can hear that she’s lying to herself.
Yes the Sith can still be patient and intelligent. That’s not the difference.
This makes me think of something else.
What do you think was Palpatine's plan for the events of Episode I? Padme and the Jedi clearly foiled his immediate plans (killing his apprentice, keeping Naboo from signing the treaty, etc.). The clones hadn't been commissioned yet, Dooku hadn't been recruited yet, so these were clearly adjustments made post-Naboo. So what do you think would have happened if Sidious had gotten his way completely?
He did get his way - he became Chancellor. He created the Naboo Crisis for that exact goal, and iirc he was one of the people who advised Valorum to skip ahead to deploying Jedi negotiators/investigators without a full Senate debate, though of course he acts surprised as Sidious when informed of the Jedi presence. Obviously he would have preferred not to lose his apprentice (in the Outbound Flight novel, set 5 years later, one of Palpatine's minions laments the death of Maul removing a plan to distract and misdirect the Jedi while "trimming the edges of their close-knit group" i.e. assassinations), and he had to switch to Plan B for setting up the Separatist Movement, but it's not like he didn't have that Plan B "And if that fails, a Plan C, and well, you know how the alphabet goes" already. I wouldn't put it past him to have planned to have Maul and Tyranus at the same time (each believing themself to be the true Apprentice and the other a pawn) keeping different parts of the plan going.
I though the answer was going to be that they teamed up with Kathleen Kennedy.
This video made me think about Darth Vectivus, who supposedly had a preexisting code of ethics and underlying self discipline before becoming the Dark Lord of the Sith and acquiring the title of "Darth." Perhaps his life up to the point of becoming a Dark Lord was a constant battle to keep his selfishness under control? A battle of conscience like the Apostle Paul in Romans 7:15-25, where he continually finds himself doing the things that he shouldn't do, rather than those things that he feels that he should do. But unlike Paul, Vectivus lost that battle to his selfishness and became a Sith. "So once you start down the Dark Path.." I agree - it has to become a habitual practice - the path of the Dark Side - selling yourself to it, all the while convincing yourself every step of the way that it's the 'right' way, even though its not the best way in the end. Its harder to fight those selfish impulses to become the better version of yourself, thinking of others before you think of yourself, and easier to just take advantage of any and every situation for yourself. Its harder to forgive yourself of failures in the past and easier to remind yourself of all of your failures, so that those memories of failure weigh you down rather than fly away and giving you the mental agility to make a better choice in the future. But even though the Dark Side is seductive, perhaps embodying patience and other laudable qualities to a certain extent to realize a certain prominence, the Dark Side is still impatient and still self seeking in the end. Its constantly after power and materialism, contrasting with the Light which is after peace, love and charity without reward, seeking only to ascend in spirit. And then the conflict within Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, standing there right next to the Emperor, who sought to kill Luke because Luke had the peace that the Emperor could only achieve through domination, finally said "No" to selfishness and domination, motivated by the love of his son to seek to ascend in spirit instead. And he was finally able to break through, proving that he could, finally, ascend - not doing that which he shouldn't do, and finally doing that which he should do, Must do, was Destined to do, and he finally did it - throwing his ambition and hate in the form of the Emperor (and it truly was the Emperor as well) over that rail, cutting himself off from the Dark Path while the Dark Path exacted its revenge, its toll, by taking Anakin's life, and Anakin making that final choice to ascend in spirit to the Light. Finally the unquestioned Jedi Master.
Siths with a common goals are a dangerous ones.
Hey, Thor. In the past you’ve made a few videos on the Thrawn Trilogy, but I was wondering what are some of your other favourite EU projects? Have you read Darth Plagueis and the Bane Trilogy especially since I hoping we get some references to them in the Acolyte.
He always mentions Plagueis, but never mentions Darth Bane. I don't think he's read them. Or he has and prefers the cringe Darth Bane from TCW to the chad EU's Darth Bane.
The impatient Sith were the apprentices who got themselves killed. They had to learn patience to survive long enough to reach the point where they could kill their master.
Woah... Not a single comment? I'm never this early! XD
I have always understood it that there is a difference between a dark side user and a Sith. Dark side users, like inquisitors ,are very susceptible to things like impatience, cowardice and wrath but a Sith is far less hampered by these things allowing the grand plans we see in the movies.
so what I took away from the Yoda scenes is that the dark side is like a very addictive drug, the more you use it the harder it is for you to not use it
For me it falls to two answers.
1) The Sith stayed hidden because they were too busy killing themselves for anyone to realize they were still around.
Sort of a constant backstabbing before anyone actually got anything done.
2) Palps and Vader were exceptions.
Anakin fell to the dark side and while he may have gotten stronger... He also got his but kicked by his mentor and jumped straight where Obi Wan told him to jump to.
Vader was in control of his emotions and while he did use them they were tools under his command rather than being commanded by his emotions.
It is why Palps had his empire fail when he tried to copy the Sith of old ruling method.
Every imperial officer promoted became more incompetent and wasteful. More kept stabbing each other in the back.
He had a powerful empire with no rivals and rule over a galaxy... Fall apart in a few short years by a moisture farmer and a princess with no subjects.
The dark side is easy yes... But it also easily leads quickly to your own defeat.
(and yes I mean a few short years as until the Death Star was complete we just got the rot of corruption rather than the full blown idiocy of it as Palps had to play it smartly... Or his last brain cells died.)
Hey Thor, why does it seem like so many Old Republic Sith are able to achieve a form of immortality? I thought part of the irony of the Sith was that they wanted eternal life, but only the Jedi can find that through unifying with the Force in death.
Would love to hear your take, I'm sure I'm missing something
A good chunk of Sith Lords were probably motivated by their sheer hatred of the Jedi. So I could see them pouring everything they had into something that would eventually destroy them even if it wasn't them to do it.
Personally i always thought that this was the entire point of the Prequels, it wasn't that "jedi = wrong" or "Sith = right" it was thatthe jedi tied themselves to the earthly Republic while the sith went against nature to plan...
However on the generational plan i think each master made a plan for themselves and their student, so. Eventually Palpatine just happened to be that 1000th cut of a strategy.
Hey Thor, how bad does Disney Star Wars have to get before you choose another franchise for videos, or expand into other topics? What would it take? According to latest rumors episode 3 of the Acolyte is supposed to really have the potential of angering pre Disney fans even further, if that is even possible. Yoda maybe?
Think Palpatine was just in the right place at the right time. He decided to work within the system and was able to take control. He was an expert manipulator, but again, his training as an apprentice gave him the foundation
A lot of it is arrogance from Yoda's part. I don't believe he will ever admit it. But he genuinely bought into his own hype by the time of the Clone wars. He genuinely thought that he could walk in alone and stomp Sidious without a plan. Because he is Yoda. Just like how Windu believed he could walk in, kill Sidious, and then walk off without any consequences.
Kylo Ren was set up in Episode VII to be a dark side force user who was prone to outbursts of anger and who couldn't control his own emotions. There was a lot of promise there in exploring this aspect of the force. Unfortunately, like everything in the ST, this idea was dropped and utterly squandered in the subsequent films to where nothing came of it.
The difference between a Sith and a Dark Jedi is that a Sith can be cold and calculating when necessary. Dark Jedi would rush into battle high on the dark side, while Sith stop and think before acting rashly. That's what makes them so much more dangerous than merely rabid monsters consumed by the dark side.
We're talking about Kathleen Kennedy and Lez Headland right?
yeah, Palpatine seems to be above the basic Sith (like maul), Patience is why he is the best. So this wasn't easy or fast for him but surely in his younger years, he had to fall to dark side to quickly gain power, just like Anakin was very impulsive during the clone wars and quickly gained power thanks to the Dark Side and the other Jedi didn't spot him.
Hey Thor,
Do you think George should have turned Lucasfilm over to his Kids?
No Sith Lord had practice patience until Darth Bane. He saw the flaws of the brotherhood of darkness filled with wannabe sith and realized they could not fight another war with the Jedi in the open. Instead the shadows would be their ally. He trained his apprentice Zannah the concept of patience first to ensure she would pass it on to her apprentice, whether this philosophy was passed down for that 1000 is unclear but I’m sure the bane era sith took the concept under strong advisement.
Hey Thor, did you see that report from Alan NG from FilmThreat stating that Episode 3 from the Acolyte will put the final nail in the coffin for Pre Disney SW fans? Apparently the show tinkers with The Force in a way which will be even more badly received than The Last Jedi and even reshape how we see A New Hope… I have a really bad feeling about this! MTFBWY
The wise Sith Master would know Sith history & hide in the shadows & firmly instruct their apprentice for years upon years to listen to history & hide. The Apprentice would thus mature & grow wise under these teachings until they were strong enough to kill their Master. The wise Sith Master also would probably never give their Apprentice a starship to leave planet unless they sensed & knew the Apprentice's loyalty. Just my thoughts
Oh yeah, I forgot the Acolyte is tomorrow night. Eh, I'd rather keep my EA subscription over D+ so I can finish Jedi Survivor.
You pay a f@$$ing subscription to play that game?! 😆
@@Alpha_bit_co_isa_terror_org Paying $6 a month for a game that will only take me a month or two is a lot cheaper than buying the game for ten times that price.
Being selfish is easy.
Being selfless takes work and sacrifice.
From the amount of time that the old EU authors discussed the Sith with George Lucas as they were writing it, the various Sith empires over the course of thousands of years in the Old Republic followed his words. As we see in the games, books, graphic novels, they just as much fought against each other as they did the Jedi. To state that there can _only_ be 2 Sith is asinine and hypocritical when it's stated that the Sith created these empires and ruled the galaxy while they killed each other for power. So, which is it: there were two Sith or there was a bunch of them?
The Sith weren’t Impatient.
... Sure.
Hey Thor, do you think that palpatine is kinda stupid for essentially trading one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever (who wanted to abandon the rule of two and essentially have two Sith masters of equal status) for basically a rabid Sith attack dog? Ultimately this decision led his empire to only last for about 20 years which is super pathetic. Hot take, but having elaborate, overly complicated plans doesn’t always yield the best results and therefore isn’t always the smartest move
I assume you mean Dookie/Tyranus?
I don't believe for a moment Sidious ever considered him anything more than a tool.
Thor I very much agree with your interpretation of the Sith.
With their selfishness and lust for power, it seems almost inconceivable that in a thousand years there wouldn't have been some abortive attempts made to put their own plan into motion rather than just happily sitting back and building for their future murderer apprentice.
The Sith were less hiding than lying in wait of opportunity.
I wonder if this is not what we will see in the Alcolyte - one of these aborted attempts to put a plan in motion that failed even before the Jedi could fully understand ehat wad actually happening.
Dark and light are not different "entities", they're both sides of the same force... There is no stronger side and the force itself is not good or evil, what is good or evil are the people and the way they use it. It's an energy field that binds the galaxy together. If you pull it stronger on one side, it's stronger on that side. It simply is easier for humans to pull on the side of passion, hate and anger than on the side of calm and peace and balance, which can be proven with views on hateful clickbait TH-cam videos. :D
Being patient is easier when you're super excited about keeping your eyes on a selfish prize, spending all your evenings fantasizing about your revenge.
These discussions on Jedi vs. Sith and the dark side has gotten me confused on how you stand. Half the time you say that there should _only_ _be_ 2 Sith and that writers and creators at Lucasfilm should follow Lucas' words to the letter on that point. That anyone following dark side should be considered Sith, nothing else. On the other half, you want to see Lucasfilm explore the Old Republic where there are Jedi vs. Sith battles and when the Sith have an empire and rule the galaxy. Sith as in plural, as in there is more than one calling themselves Sith, and that they have massive followers, but those should not be considered Sith (if not Sith, then what are they called? Dark siders? Dark Jedi? Dark acolytes?). So, which is it?
《The Dizney Side of The FORCED is the Pathway to CONtent MANy fans consider to be NON-CANON》
~Bob The (EMPIRE) Builder
..."It's MY REY, or The HIGHWAY!!!"...
~Darth K.K.
..."Mi nombre es "¿Qué?" ..."¿Qué Skywalker?"
~Darth J.J.
..."No, YOUR Luke SUCKS"
~Darth R.J.
..."This Is The Way" i look at it...
...All FORCE Users are like Athletes...?
...Jedi use The FORCE...
...Sith use The FORCE AND Steroids...?
...(or "STARoids?")...
...and Jedi consider "Staroids" to be UNNATURAL...
...maybe "Grey Jedi" are just SITH that have Turned BACK to The LIGHT Side...?
...maybe they are actually LESS Powerful than MOST Jedi because there is a Greater RISK of them Falling to The DARK Side (Again)...?
...which is why Yoda says "Forever will it Dominate Your Destiny"
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...Dave Filoni has Undoubtedly Fallen to The Dizney Side of the FORCED, but i beliEve there is still GOOD in him, "The House of Mouse" has not driven it from him Fully...
...and George Lucas will Always be "MR. (JEDI) UNIVERSE" in my book!!!
(i Will Not Fight You on this)
Thor, I think you're spreading misinformation. You keep saying over and over George said Star Wars is for 12-year-old boys. This is partly true. He did say it was marketed to 12-year-olds. But I have NEVER seen him once ever say it was for boys specifically. Every quote I've seen says it was for 12-year-olds. Where did you get this idea?
Hey so 1 I think your being a bit nit picky aren't you and 2 the first video i pressed on after looking it up George literally says it's for 12 year olds