@Bloofa The Last of us 2 has terrible writing then they GOTY award. They don't deserve to get that award. Hoping GOW Ragnarok win Game of the year award.
man i hate that i got it spoiled for me cuz now i won’t ever know if he would’ve tricked me or not. broks death did surprise me though. i thought it would be sindri that died
Watch the scene where they get the idea for draupnir again it’s very subtle but tyr says so you stole draupnir listen to his tone it makes this realization even better
@@vishnuanand1583 yea like that fact that when Atreus asked him questions about giants he didn’t know Jack shit. So he just said they lived private lives
I love how Brok and Sindri went from being comedic sidekicks in the previous game, to being possibly the most tragic and complex characters in this one.
Watching this over and over, I now understand the root of Sindri’s bitterness; while Brok was bleeding out, they were fixating entirely on Atreus. Precious seconds ticked by while Sindri pleaded with them for help.
Yeh but sadly Sindri would have wanted wanted Brok to be saved from death, again. Not what Brok would have wanted. Besides the group were focused on having two problems not three - Brok dead, Arteus gone and Odín aware of all their plans. You gotta wonder though how nobody realised that Fake Tyr was not in Sindri’s house all the time, prehaps he made another projection of himself that was one of his ravens that could answer basic things in Tyr’s voice to keep anyone away from his room
I think the root of Sindri's bitterness is exactly what he said to Atreus the last time they saw each other. It was Atreus' plan to look for Tyr, and it was Atreus who ran towards war despite not understanding the true cost of war. Towards that end, Sindri gave a lot to aid Atreus and what he got in return was his brother dead and a home that isn't a home anymore. Sindri already stated that he brought his brother back because he couldn't be alone and now he's lost his brother permanently. And when you think about the conversation they had while going to see Freya at the Council of Valkryie's, it just adds to the frustration. During that quest, Atreus is shown to be impulsive, reckless, and self-centered. He goes to meet Freya without a plan and doesn't take into consideration the danger he's putting Sindri in and won't listen to reason. Sindri reflecting on these things and how they led to Brok's death is why he's bitter towards Atreus. Sindri is grieving right now and is in a very bad place. I just hope the story forward leads to a reconciliation with Atreus or at the very least doesn't lead him to try towards a more villainous path.
@@banx757 Very true, Arteus is a ‘BOY’ and boys are reckless and hormonal when they are teenagers. So the feeling that he must achieve greatness in his life to be a better god weights on him. Understandable why Sindri is the way he is but it also understandable why Arteus is the way he is. We can only hope there will be another mythological God of War makes in way into. If they visit the Celtic Gods then the Developers can introduce a lot of new mythologies, also with Arteus being grown up he might be the main character in a new game. We can only hope
Someone made a very good point in another video I saw that I think makes sense. Sindri only saved 3/4ths of Brok's soul, the part Sindri could not find was Brok's "way." Without his way he can never fully pass onto the next life, forever a lost soul. Sindri's probably pretty beat up about Brok's death and either feeling guilty about saving him in the first place or not having saved all of him because Sindri will never see him again, and Brok can never fully rest.
@@xmant8842 There are signs everywhere, you just have to know to look for them. They're all over the place, even right down to his name in the subtitles, compared to when he's addressed by other characters.
@@Kratosx23 thank fuck something in me told me to remove names, because in situations like this it reveals too much and I was actually caught off guard here with 0 expectations thinking it was Odin or even a fake Tyr lol
@@BIankFace- man I had the names in subtitles and still got caught off guard. Literally no detective would be able to tell it was Odin until after the event occurred and they started looking back to the small hints.
@@BIankFace- You'd have to be pretty observant to catch that Týr has a y with an accent on it when other characters who think it's him are addressing him and Odin is just written as Tyr with no accent. The vast, vast majority of people don't catch it. I didn't either, frankly.
This scene made me shed a tear for my boy brok. I feel like brok was the first kratos’s best friend he made in midgard. It just felt like ive lost a brother his character was so good.
He was family. That moment when Kratos asked for his weapon blessed, it was unneeded but a heart felt gesture, and Kratos spoke the same words that Brok taught him earlier. I just hope Sindri doesn't destroy himself and hate Kratos for long
@@diegofonseca6708 Yep, died. Probably killed by Odin long ago. But Odin kept telling Atreus and everyone that Tyr was dead and to stop looking for him. So of course they go looking for him. They 'easily' find him and they got fake-Tyr in their inner circle. Honestly did not see it coming at all. Very well played move by Odin. Edit: Okay I was wrong, it seems their is an after game part where you find the real Tyr, actually of perfectly sound mind all things considered.
I love the detail that the name in the subtitles changes from 'Tyr' to 'Odin' when the illusion's voice and appearance changes (I initially noticed the voice in this video, but just now noticed his arm starts going blue and magic-y).
@@mortem4342 woah that's sneaky if it was intentional. Recently learnt that one of Odin's ravens was watching Atreus take Kratos and Mimir into the first shrine in the big ruins near Home, and it flies off as they leave. They did a really good job of making Odin come across as the devious tactician we know him as.
@@mortem4342 (SPOILERS BELOW) There's one more that I've heard of. There's a dwarf in the town in Svartalfheim who is standing on a bridge as you go under it on a boat. He spits down onto you. Post game when you go to Niflheim to save the real Tyr, there is a dwarf's corpse in the prison that has the same model as the dwarf on the bridge. Apparently Odin can take the form of people as long as they are alive, and the group hypothesizes that the prison is a place that Odin keeps people that he wants to impersonate.
This just goes to show how cunning and intelligent Odin truly is. Very befitting for a god of knowledge and wisdom to hide in plain sight of his enemy and manipulating everything without them knowing.
That's another proof of how simple-minded and dense they all are. First of all, Atreus didn't earn the mask, it was given to him by Odin, and his real name is in fact Loki, since that's what the prophecies and the Giants call him and Atreus was just a temporary name to hide his true nature. It seems the only character that has a grip on reality in this game is Odin, and he pays with his life for it, and they even destroy the mask because they rather live in ignorance than face the real Truth about existence. This game made me despise Kratos and all his band of savages.
Brok is my favorite character. Telling things as they are, gets straight to the point, always upfront with what he says and feels, and funny as hell. I was pissed as all hell that Odin killed him.
@@average__height8033 Even outside of canon, anyone can just replay the game to see Brok again so they can say "is" instead of "was" if they feel to do so. Don't be the person at the party that tries to ruin the fun lol
Mimir stated it himself. Odin manipulated everything from the point of view of storycraft: Made up a compelling story about Tyr's vow to never weld a weapon again, reinforcing a weakness that needed correcting for the sake of saving all the Nine (Eight) realms from Ragnarok. Introduced a plot point where Helwalkers attacked the safe haven of all the main cast, forcing Tyr to break his vow and take up his arms to defend his friends if anything like that were to happen again... And finally reaching full circle, on the path to "redeeming" himself, Tyr promises to lead his friends into battle so that they may stop Odin. A classic hero's journey.
In their first interaction of course he wanted them to find Tyr. Someone who has always tried to control their future, suddenly doesn’t care about thimblewinter? And by asking them to stop searching for Tyr and leaving them alive to go search for him. And why would his most dangerous prisoner be locked away like he was?
He fucked up moving too fast in this scene though. If Odin slowly worked his way up to telling them he would lead them, the party and especially brok wouldn’t be so suspicious, but changing his mind on so many things in just a short time really got him caught
I knew there was some shady shit going on when one of the absolute most valuable guy for the beginning of Ragnarok was held with slightly heavy wooden doors. But I had my game dev goggles on and was like "ehh, probably it's just a design choice from the devs" and didn't look into it all that much.
@@dovelove5427i heard it in german and he was good there too i was speechless on that part just like kratos and atreus, the game is so good you feel how the charackters feel. right now im af the scene where they are trying to sleep and next day is the war, im just as excited as they are
It’s all nearly overwhelming. My mind didn’t even know what it should be reacting to first. Brok being stabbed, Tyr not being real, Tyr being ODIN ALL ALONG. I would for sure say it’s one of the best twists I’ve ever seen in a game. I managed to not get spoiled on this so I was genuinely sitting there in shock with my jaw dropped. I felt so utterly betrayed and angry.
I remember explicitly thinking Tyr was way too easy to rescue considering Thor and Odin themselves visited you just to dissuade you from finding him. Guess now we know why he was so easy to break out..
This writing was better than some of those hollywood stuff we seen. Man this all caught us off guard for sure. And damn.. Brock. I am just so emotional of his death. Whenever I go to crafting stations, I always wanted him to be the one there.
@@avish878 it very much is better than most modern movie twists, we got played for real with hints more well put in of classic movies than modern movies.
It was weird. Tyr seemed odd, was kinda defending Odin at times. In fact, I wondered why he didn’t hold any sort of animosity towards Odin. Was kinda worthless and it was just strange. I honestly thought it was poor writing honestly. Little did I know….. In short, I saw it coming, but I still didn’t see it coming.
honestly and even though he was severely tortured wouldn't Atreus and Kratos freeing him, make him want to seek vengeance? Hes a god of war so something like that completely changing his character and him turning into a goody two shoes doesn't make sense now that i'm looking back on it.
And remember when Kratos killed heimdall and returned "Tyr" said that Odin promised peace so long as no more of his peoples blood was spilled, but NO BODY TOLD HIM
Actually there was one VERY minor sign... If you have "Subtitle speaker name: on" Tyr's name doesn't have the little symbol above the Y whenever its Odin speaking as Tyr. Technically speaking his name is mispelled.
@@ShadowNova300 also that tyr knows the name "loki" and calling freya frigg odin i dont think has ever not said freya in this game he's always said frigg-
It's easy to see all the hints in hindsight, but at the time they don't feel like hints really. It was very well played. Maybe some exceptionally critically observant people caught on to something being afoot, but I'd wager the overwhelming vast majority got smacked by this scene.
Don’t think that Sindri is corrupted or became corrupted. He lost his brother, again, and now knows that not only can he not bring him back that Brok is just gone. No coming back, no afterlife, just nothing. I think that would make anyone angry and want revenge for it. We will have to wait and see in hopefully the next game.
He is a god of knowledge so practically speaking the longer he is alive the more knowledgeable he becomes aka the more powerful. It's not like a god of strength where they'll be the best of strength.
Love the subtle hint in the subtitles, when the fake Tyr is speaking, the name is written as "Tyr", but when you found the real Tyr in Niflheim, the name is written as "Týr", with the letter ý indicating that all along where speaking to the fake Tyr this whole game.
GOW Ragnarok has some of the best writing in anything in years. To think what these people could do with a major film budget. I vote Tom Waits for Brok.
This increased the replay value of Ragnarok through the roof. I can't wait to play New Game + and see how Tyr interacts with the party from the beginning.
Y’know I thought something was off when I first met “Tyr”. Because let’s compare “his” punishment to Freya and mimir. The former was cursed from ever leaving Midgard and the latter was fused with a tree and was tortured for 109 years. And “Tyr” was locked in a room with a rope tied to his neck? That’s seemed kinda lenient for someone who had a huge role trying to usurp Odin.
The twist is great. But it’s the buildup that’s the intense bit. You notice the Loki, even if it’s only in the back of your head. And Brok (who you understand is a true honest person who speaks his mind no matter how crass) so when he goes off, you start kinda waking up to all the little things about Tyr that you always catlalogued up to this point in this game. Then when he mentions the Loki bit you start to realize something is very wrong. Then comes the stab which breaks our hearts and sends the audience going crazy. Its perfect storytelling
Going back and playing the game knowing that it is actually Odin the entire time is actually kind of fun. You see all these little clues on how he reacts to things. How he always seems to say things that either cause the problems between Kratos and Atreus, or he at least escalates the situation. He calls Freya "Frigg" the first time the meet in Sindri's house. He asks to sleep in the broom closet. Things like that.
Really? They explain it well that he had died before hand so his soul isn’t full which is why she can’t see him then and there not saying you’re wrong tho
In the first trailer where the narrator who turned out to be Odin was claiming Kratos was never worshipped as a god, I thought that was Tyr originally, but I guess I was technically right.
In case people are curious why brok died so easily, he sustained an injury when the hel walkers raided the house, you can see sindri concerned over the fact he was bleeding while Brok was brushing it off, Odin likely re opened the wound which would've caused more severe damage than a simple stab would, especially given he was left to bleed for several seconds before Freya went over to assist
I don’t speak anything other than English but the tone and acting of the other languages seemed perfect, makes me happy to know that so many people across the world most likely got an equally awesome experience for this game. That fucking rules
so you played through a whole game of a god who splits soldiers in armor in half but are concerned with how another god was able to stab through armor?
It easy to fool the players as well. Everybody always thinks of Loki as the Trickster God, but Odin did that all the time, he was also a trickster, and a damn good one.
This scene gave me the most powerful chills I’ve ever felt. This game is amazing. I can’t wait for the next god of war game. What a masterpiece of a video game. The realization that Odin new their whole plan because he was with them all along was so crazy to me. The writers did amazing on this.
I saw someone point out the name Tyr had an accent marker in the subtitles when someone else (say Mimir) said his name, but when Tyr is speaking the accent marker is gone. It's unconfirmed, but the idea is Santa Monica did that on purpose as a hint that Tyr was false.
Brok’s death caught me off guard but I was suspicious of Tyr ever since the he saw the prophecy and started visibly acting different. And then I noticed he’d call Atreus “Loki” and kept talking about how he knows Kratos’ nature and about how he’s violent and all this, but….he wasn’t told enough about Kratos and Atreus for him to make comments like that, and the way he spoke to Kratos reminded me of Odin. But I didn’t fully put it together until Atreus showed everyone the mask and Tyr started commenting on it, once again…knowing more than he logically should as he should have been absent for most things anyone mentions.
The fact I didn't have any suspicion until I thought it was odd he was walking off with the mask then brok questioning him was do well done I thought he might of betrayed us to stop ragnarok but never that he was actually odin...
Something occured to me. Remember in the 2018 game when Thor beat Modi. Do you think that it was actually just Odin in disguise. I feel like that would fit with his character, especially since Thor is portrayed to care for his family.
What’s great about this twist is that there were actually some bright TH-camrs that had this theory A WHILE AGO. Even before the game came out, people were piecing together weird things with Tyr’s character just from the trailer. It’s crazy how it was right in front of our eyes the entire time, we just weren’t connecting the right pieces
The devs themselves forwhadowed it. Look at the subtitles. Whenever anyone that's not disguised Odin says "Týr" they do so with the accent on the Y. But when fake Tyr speaks, the accent is missing.
I also love how you find out Tyr was actually Odin the whole time, and later on if you go to Niflheim you will find the real Tyr. Game perfectly put together
Brok figured something wasn't right is the biggest "fuck you" to Odin he could have done. Odin is a massive narcissist and the fact an idiot (in the eye of Odin) called him out when he had the others fooled was a R3 strike to his ego. That's why Odin attacked him.
There were so many clued too. Bird feathers in Tyr's prison, the fact that Odin kept the dwarf that told them where Tyr was so close, how Tyr knew things he shouldn't have for being in prison so long. We were all deceived.
This showed how dangerous Odin’s magic and deception was. What Odin lacked in physical strength and appearance and he definitely made up for in intelligence. He played everyone like a fiddle without even trying
Brok: Dwarven blacksmith who has made armor for everyone that can survive strikes from dragons and god Odin with a kitchen knife: Allow me to introduce myself
To be fair though, dwarves have some reputation on making butter knives as the same quality of a sword. Since this is their house and they probably made the knife, I'd say yeah pretty much normal.
I was surprised when Tyr stabbed Brok, I figured that Tyr had just suddenly lost his shit and reverted to some kind of a warriors rage like Kratos might've done in the past. Then he turned into Odin and I was shocked, because he must've kidnapped Tyr in order to impersonate him. Then the penny dropped and I realised he had been Tyr from the start and my jaw hit the fucking floor.
the very first dude was me whilst playing this yesterday. oh gosh it felt like yesterday when gow '18 came out and huldra's brothers being the best duo..... and now we shad a tear.....
I went so mad at this scene because i truly didn't see it coming and afterward thought it made a lot of sense... I genuinely liked "Tyr" when I discovered him, then when he started to act "weird" (hands on his back, starting to make secrets...) I had a theory that he was a spy for Odin, or that he was a fake Tyr and the one we freed earlier had been captured while we were in Hel, so when Brok started insulting I was like "Yeah bro! Tell them!" And then the realization, the surprise, the hate and the saddness of Brok's death... Bro this scene was amazing
the first time i played it through i knew something was off about Tyr. when we free him he wasn’t angry for being locked away for so long, he almost seemed like he had no ill emotion toward Odin. even before Atreus ran off, everyone was ganging up on him for wanting to go to Asgard. Mimir and Freya had a very serious tone while Tyr had a calm demeanor and said “he’ll misguide you”. but the thing that threw me off the most was that he wasn’t willing to aid/fight in anyway against the person that put him through hell. this game is an absolute masterpiece 🔥🔥
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The way they wrote the story so that Odin actually deceives us all eventually was just amazing writing. They really wrote his character so well
@Bloofa The Last of us 2 has terrible writing then they GOTY award. They don't deserve to get that award.
Hoping GOW Ragnarok win Game of the year award.
man i hate that i got it spoiled for me cuz now i won’t ever know if he would’ve tricked me or not. broks death did surprise me though. i thought it would be sindri that died
@@darkbustergt8085Same, TH-cam recommendations fucked me over.
@Bloofa w girlfriend
it was sad cuz I knew he was a bad guy if you look closely through the game his eyes glow more and his smile looks darker
This scene left me speechless and then the realization that Odin has been with them throughout the entire time learning everything was crazy
Watch the scene where they get the idea for draupnir again it’s very subtle but tyr says so you stole draupnir listen to his tone it makes this realization even better
@@Memj4ps I mean if you start watching from the very beginning, there a lot of minor details that show who tyr really is. It's amazing
@@vishnuanand1583 yea like that fact that when Atreus asked him questions about giants he didn’t know Jack shit. So he just said they lived private lives
Yeah I honestly thought that it was just this one time it was oden. But then I realized. There was never a tyr.
Same
I love how Brok and Sindri went from being comedic sidekicks in the previous game, to being possibly the most tragic and complex characters in this one.
What gets bigger the more you take away :(
@@Freezerburn137 a hole...
@@C3.J4Y sad how he got that after the massive hole in everyones hearts
@@C3.J4Y 😔😔😔 just finished the story...
Not even the most complex!
Of course Brok was the one who realized something wasn't right with Tyr.
'It ain't the form of the thing that matters but its nature'.
Always trust your scrote
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Oh SHIT what the fuck
WHOA
Watching this over and over, I now understand the root of Sindri’s bitterness; while Brok was bleeding out, they were fixating entirely on Atreus. Precious seconds ticked by while Sindri pleaded with them for help.
Yeh but sadly Sindri would have wanted wanted Brok to be saved from death, again. Not what Brok would have wanted. Besides the group were focused on having two problems not three - Brok dead, Arteus gone and Odín aware of all their plans.
You gotta wonder though how nobody realised that Fake Tyr was not in Sindri’s house all the time, prehaps he made another projection of himself that was one of his ravens that could answer basic things in Tyr’s voice to keep anyone away from his room
I think the root of Sindri's bitterness is exactly what he said to Atreus the last time they saw each other. It was Atreus' plan to look for Tyr, and it was Atreus who ran towards war despite not understanding the true cost of war. Towards that end, Sindri gave a lot to aid Atreus and what he got in return was his brother dead and a home that isn't a home anymore. Sindri already stated that he brought his brother back because he couldn't be alone and now he's lost his brother permanently. And when you think about the conversation they had while going to see Freya at the Council of Valkryie's, it just adds to the frustration. During that quest, Atreus is shown to be impulsive, reckless, and self-centered. He goes to meet Freya without a plan and doesn't take into consideration the danger he's putting Sindri in and won't listen to reason. Sindri reflecting on these things and how they led to Brok's death is why he's bitter towards Atreus. Sindri is grieving right now and is in a very bad place. I just hope the story forward leads to a reconciliation with Atreus or at the very least doesn't lead him to try towards a more villainous path.
@@banx757
Very true,
Arteus is a ‘BOY’ and boys are reckless and hormonal when they are teenagers. So the feeling that he must achieve greatness in his life to be a better god weights on him. Understandable why Sindri is the way he is but it also understandable why Arteus is the way he is. We can only hope there will be another mythological God of War makes in way into. If they visit the Celtic Gods then the Developers can introduce a lot of new mythologies, also with Arteus being grown up he might be the main character in a new game. We can only hope
Nice eye
Someone made a very good point in another video I saw that I think makes sense. Sindri only saved 3/4ths of Brok's soul, the part Sindri could not find was Brok's "way." Without his way he can never fully pass onto the next life, forever a lost soul. Sindri's probably pretty beat up about Brok's death and either feeling guilty about saving him in the first place or not having saved all of him because Sindri will never see him again, and Brok can never fully rest.
this was the craziest twist in recent memory, god damn this game was good
I agree. I just got to it and was like "OH MY GOD WHAT THERE WERE NO SIGNS! THAT'S SUCH A GOOD TWIST!"
@@xmant8842 There are signs everywhere, you just have to know to look for them. They're all over the place, even right down to his name in the subtitles, compared to when he's addressed by other characters.
@@Kratosx23 thank fuck something in me told me to remove names, because in situations like this it reveals too much and I was actually caught off guard here with 0 expectations thinking it was Odin or even a fake Tyr lol
@@BIankFace- man I had the names in subtitles and still got caught off guard. Literally no detective would be able to tell it was Odin until after the event occurred and they started looking back to the small hints.
@@BIankFace- You'd have to be pretty observant to catch that Týr has a y with an accent on it when other characters who think it's him are addressing him and Odin is just written as Tyr with no accent. The vast, vast majority of people don't catch it. I didn't either, frankly.
This scene made me shed a tear for my boy brok. I feel like brok was the first kratos’s best friend he made in midgard. It just felt like ive lost a brother his character was so good.
He was family. That moment when Kratos asked for his weapon blessed, it was unneeded but a heart felt gesture, and Kratos spoke the same words that Brok taught him earlier. I just hope Sindri doesn't destroy himself and hate Kratos for long
Brok was an og man he was family
The only one in the room Odin couldn't trick.
Even before the moment with the spear there are little interactions at the shop where you can tell Kratos values Brok.
Same
Odin deserves a Best Actor award portraying as Fake Tyr all along and had great acting.
Props to Odin with great acting skills.
Wait so was there never a Tyr? Was he actually already long dead all along??
@@diegofonseca6708 Yep, died. Probably killed by Odin long ago. But Odin kept telling Atreus and everyone that Tyr was dead and to stop looking for him. So of course they go looking for him. They 'easily' find him and they got fake-Tyr in their inner circle.
Honestly did not see it coming at all. Very well played move by Odin.
Edit: Okay I was wrong, it seems their is an after game part where you find the real Tyr, actually of perfectly sound mind all things considered.
There is some parts where Tyr is written correctly when Tyr speaks. When Tyr explores Alfhaein his subtitles are correct.
@@loveunityandpeace oh wow!
I didn’t liked his dialogues, it was too modernised, despite being old. Kratos and freya had an ancient touch in their dialogues
I love the detail that the name in the subtitles changes from 'Tyr' to 'Odin' when the illusion's voice and appearance changes (I initially noticed the voice in this video, but just now noticed his arm starts going blue and magic-y).
Also the fact that this whole time the subtitles said "Tyr" whenever Odin spoke, but every time another character said his name it said "Týr".
@@mortem4342 I also noticed that in the subtitles but disregarded it as a misspelling or an error but damn after this scene it all clicked.
@@mortem4342 woah that's sneaky if it was intentional. Recently learnt that one of Odin's ravens was watching Atreus take Kratos and Mimir into the first shrine in the big ruins near Home, and it flies off as they leave. They did a really good job of making Odin come across as the devious tactician we know him as.
@@Nedread Oh wow I did not know about that one. I wonder how many more details like that are sprinkled throughout the game
@@mortem4342 (SPOILERS BELOW) There's one more that I've heard of. There's a dwarf in the town in Svartalfheim who is standing on a bridge as you go under it on a boat. He spits down onto you.
Post game when you go to Niflheim to save the real Tyr, there is a dwarf's corpse in the prison that has the same model as the dwarf on the bridge. Apparently Odin can take the form of people as long as they are alive, and the group hypothesizes that the prison is a place that Odin keeps people that he wants to impersonate.
This truly caught all of us off guard when we first played this part. And I'm still shocked to this point.
I heard my dad screaming downstairs at 2 AM when this happened 😭
We all are shock from that moment, at this point in the aftermath is even sadder
I got spoiled so it wasn't as shocking
@@zay_kash 🤓
It was pretty obvious, I called it from the get go. Don't see how anyone else could've been surprised.
This just goes to show how cunning and intelligent Odin truly is. Very befitting for a god of knowledge and wisdom to hide in plain sight of his enemy and manipulating everything without them knowing.
I love how this shows how much Brok respected atreus, saying how the mask belongs to him cuz he earned it, and to get his name right
That's another proof of how simple-minded and dense they all are. First of all, Atreus didn't earn the mask, it was given to him by Odin, and his real name is in fact Loki, since that's what the prophecies and the Giants call him and Atreus was just a temporary name to hide his true nature. It seems the only character that has a grip on reality in this game is Odin, and he pays with his life for it, and they even destroy the mask because they rather live in ignorance than face the real Truth about existence. This game made me despise Kratos and all his band of savages.
@@hullie7529 it’s like you didn’t even play the game
@@hullie7529 bro this comment was made by heimdall
@@hullie7529 nice Odin impression 👍
@@hullie7529 I felt like I just got lobotomized while reading that comment💀
Brok is my favorite character. Telling things as they are, gets straight to the point, always upfront with what he says and feels, and funny as hell. I was pissed as all hell that Odin killed him.
Yea fr broks a g 😭
Was*
@@average__height8033 Even outside of canon, anyone can just replay the game to see Brok again so they can say "is" instead of "was" if they feel to do so.
Don't be the person at the party that tries to ruin the fun lol
@@sevionus80 all I said was “was*” you need to chill out lol
@@average__height8033 Practice what you preach lol
Mimir stated it himself. Odin manipulated everything from the point of view of storycraft:
Made up a compelling story about Tyr's vow to never weld a weapon again, reinforcing a weakness that needed correcting for the sake of saving all the Nine (Eight) realms from Ragnarok.
Introduced a plot point where Helwalkers attacked the safe haven of all the main cast, forcing Tyr to break his vow and take up his arms to defend his friends if anything like that were to happen again...
And finally reaching full circle, on the path to "redeeming" himself, Tyr promises to lead his friends into battle so that they may stop Odin.
A classic hero's journey.
All of that just to take Atreus to asgard with the mask, get his answers, and most likely kill everyone else so the knowledge is his alone
Vow*
In their first interaction of course he wanted them to find Tyr. Someone who has always tried to control their future, suddenly doesn’t care about thimblewinter? And by asking them to stop searching for Tyr and leaving them alive to go search for him. And why would his most dangerous prisoner be locked away like he was?
He fucked up moving too fast in this scene though. If Odin slowly worked his way up to telling them he would lead them, the party and especially brok wouldn’t be so suspicious, but changing his mind on so many things in just a short time really got him caught
I knew there was some shady shit going on when one of the absolute most valuable guy for the beginning of Ragnarok was held with slightly heavy wooden doors.
But I had my game dev goggles on and was like "ehh, probably it's just a design choice from the devs" and didn't look into it all that much.
Not too long ago I played to this part and the part where Sindri tells us to get the fuck out of his sight, it made me cry.
I felt soo sad. The voice acting from Sindri's actor was top tier.
@@dovelove5427i heard it in german and he was good there too i was speechless on that part just like kratos and atreus, the game is so good you feel how the charackters feel.
right now im af the scene where they are trying to sleep and next day is the war, im just as excited as they are
Facts
It’s all nearly overwhelming. My mind didn’t even know what it should be reacting to first. Brok being stabbed, Tyr not being real, Tyr being ODIN ALL ALONG. I would for sure say it’s one of the best twists I’ve ever seen in a game. I managed to not get spoiled on this so I was genuinely sitting there in shock with my jaw dropped. I felt so utterly betrayed and angry.
Brok saved everyone seeing through Odin not even mimir could he’s a beast rip
His blunt and crude demeanor helped him see through all the bullshit, because he was a no bs kind of Dwarf. Rip Brok
I remember explicitly thinking Tyr was way too easy to rescue considering Thor and Odin themselves visited you just to dissuade you from finding him. Guess now we know why he was so easy to break out..
This writing was better than some of those hollywood stuff we seen. Man this all caught us off guard for sure. And damn.. Brock. I am just so emotional of his death. Whenever I go to crafting stations, I always wanted him to be the one there.
The writing in this game is better than 95% of big budget Hollywood motion pictures.
It really isn’t lol.
@@avish878 it very much is better than most modern movie twists, we got played for real with hints more well put in of classic movies than modern movies.
@@avish878 yeah pal sure
most of what Hollywood puts out is garbage, this is much better. An actual well written twist that was foreshadowed multiple times
It was weird. Tyr seemed odd, was kinda defending Odin at times. In fact, I wondered why he didn’t hold any sort of animosity towards Odin. Was kinda worthless and it was just strange. I honestly thought it was poor writing honestly. Little did I know…..
In short, I saw it coming, but I still didn’t see it coming.
At what times was he defending odin
GOW just doesn't miss with its main characters.
honestly and even though he was severely tortured wouldn't Atreus and Kratos freeing him, make him want to seek vengeance? Hes a god of war so something like that completely changing his character and him turning into a goody two shoes doesn't make sense now that i'm looking back on it.
@@tamaraii4135well it’s been years giving him time to reflect so it plausible
And remember when Kratos killed heimdall and returned "Tyr" said that Odin promised peace so long as no more of his peoples blood was spilled, but NO BODY TOLD HIM
I just got to this plot twist and was like "OH MY GOD WHAT THERE WERE NO SIGNS! THAT'S SUCH A GOOD TWIST!"
Actually there was one VERY minor sign... If you have "Subtitle speaker name: on" Tyr's name doesn't have the little symbol above the Y whenever its Odin speaking as Tyr. Technically speaking his name is mispelled.
@@ShadowNova300 also that tyr knows the name "loki" and calling freya frigg odin i dont think has ever not said freya in this game he's always said frigg-
@@ShadowNova300 a huge sign was how he was refusing to lead the war until this moment when the mask was complete 😂
@@yogeared also when they watch groa's lie to odin; tyr becomes speechless, pushes atreus out of his way and speaks like he's annoyed/surprised.
It's easy to see all the hints in hindsight, but at the time they don't feel like hints really. It was very well played. Maybe some exceptionally critically observant people caught on to something being afoot, but I'd wager the overwhelming vast majority got smacked by this scene.
I love that these streamers got so confused that they didn't start screaming to put a show for the camera like they usually do.
Put the reactions where everyone see corrupted Sindri for the first time, is a very sad and Impact full moment.
Don’t think that Sindri is corrupted or became corrupted. He lost his brother, again, and now knows that not only can he not bring him back that Brok is just gone. No coming back, no afterlife, just nothing. I think that would make anyone angry and want revenge for it. We will have to wait and see in hopefully the next game.
He's pissed off not corrupted but I get what u mean
It's not corrupted,
He's more like he's extremely depressed
Not corrupted, just broken
He’s broken
I wonder how much of Odin's power is from his being King of the Gods of this pantheon and from his own godhood vs how much comes from Vanir magic.
He is a god of knowledge so practically speaking the longer he is alive the more knowledgeable he becomes aka the more powerful. It's not like a god of strength where they'll be the best of strength.
@@hugomventura good point. So his power comes from his versatility of acquiring acquiring.
His power is more in his power over people and knowledge, he knows a lot of shit and he manipulates people on a daily basis
Love the subtle hint in the subtitles, when the fake Tyr is speaking, the name is written as "Tyr", but when you found the real Tyr in Niflheim, the name is written as "Týr", with the letter ý indicating that all along where speaking to the fake Tyr this whole game.
Good catch, I never noticed that
Supposedly it was always spelled the second way as well whenever someone said his name throughout the game.
This scene floored me, I was genuinely surprised and enjoyed the twist. I haven’t been so mislead in a looooooong time
After my first playthrough, I started noticing all the little indications there was something up with Tyr.
GOW Ragnarok has some of the best writing in anything in years. To think what these people could do with a major film budget.
I vote Tom Waits for Brok.
This was the moment when I felt like unleashing the rage fueled Kratos from GoW 2 and 3
This increased the replay value of Ragnarok through the roof. I can't wait to play New Game + and see how Tyr interacts with the party from the beginning.
Y’know I thought something was off when I first met “Tyr”. Because let’s compare “his” punishment to Freya and mimir. The former was cursed from ever leaving Midgard and the latter was fused with a tree and was tortured for 109 years. And “Tyr” was locked in a room with a rope tied to his neck? That’s seemed kinda lenient for someone who had a huge role trying to usurp Odin.
The twist is great. But it’s the buildup that’s the intense bit. You notice the Loki, even if it’s only in the back of your head. And Brok (who you understand is a true honest person who speaks his mind no matter how crass) so when he goes off, you start kinda waking up to all the little things about Tyr that you always catlalogued up to this point in this game. Then when he mentions the Loki bit you start to realize something is very wrong. Then comes the stab which breaks our hearts and sends the audience going crazy. Its perfect storytelling
I never see this coming.. one of the greatest twist in gaming history
Going back and playing the game knowing that it is actually Odin the entire time is actually kind of fun. You see all these little clues on how he reacts to things. How he always seems to say things that either cause the problems between Kratos and Atreus, or he at least escalates the situation. He calls Freya "Frigg" the first time the meet in Sindri's house. He asks to sleep in the broom closet. Things like that.
this is the greatest twist since "would you kindly"
Arthur Morgan and Brok
Rest easy warriors 💔
Spanish Odin was cracking me up.
Es español latino, el juego tiene dos doblajes en español, el de España y el de Latinoamérica
@@alexisromano9371 I see, actually their voice actors are good!! Very fit natural feeling!
Me preguntó a cual de las dos versiones en Español habla XDDD.
That scene with the mermaid could've been a foreshadowing for Brok's unfortunate end...
Really? They explain it well that he had died before hand so his soul isn’t full which is why she can’t see him then and there
not saying you’re wrong tho
Well sindri telling the story about brok's soul was setting things up. But in all honesty i thought we were going to get that 1/4 of soul back to him
In the first trailer where the narrator who turned out to be Odin was claiming Kratos was never worshipped as a god, I thought that was Tyr originally, but I guess I was technically right.
This was one of the greatest twists I’ve ever seen. My jaw dropped when Odin revealed himself.
In case people are curious why brok died so easily, he sustained an injury when the hel walkers raided the house, you can see sindri concerned over the fact he was bleeding while Brok was brushing it off, Odin likely re opened the wound which would've caused more severe damage than a simple stab would, especially given he was left to bleed for several seconds before Freya went over to assist
I don’t speak anything other than English but the tone and acting of the other languages seemed perfect, makes me happy to know that so many people across the world most likely got an equally awesome experience for this game. That fucking rules
Shit shook me fr, but Brok really said the math ain't mathing
How the hell did Brok die from a mere kitchen knife despite having his armor on?
Just Odin things I guess
His soul wasn't whole. He wasn't able to recover from fatal wounds since he alredy died once a a third of his soul was alredy gone.
Because the knife was enchanted
The knife is enchanted by the power called 'plot'.
so you played through a whole game of a god who splits soldiers in armor in half but are concerned with how another god was able to stab through armor?
Odin was so close to leaving with the mask before brok knocked it away... must havw really pissed him off.
It easy to fool the players as well. Everybody always thinks of Loki as the Trickster God, but Odin did that all the time, he was also a trickster, and a damn good one.
And most of his danger came from his intelligence and need to be more modern.
1:59 The way Freya said that made me laugh for some reason
This was absolutely brilliant, usually you can see it coming a little bit at least, but almost nobody seen that shit coming
This scene caught me so off guard the first time it had me just yelling. Amazing fucking game.
Ring of powers writer be like: ohhhhh so that's how you write a deceptive character
"Do you never shut up?" 😂
As a Brazilian, it makes me happy to see Brazilian TH-camrs reacting to this.
This scene gave me the most powerful chills I’ve ever felt. This game is amazing. I can’t wait for the next god of war game. What a masterpiece of a video game. The realization that Odin new their whole plan because he was with them all along was so crazy to me. The writers did amazing on this.
I saw someone point out the name Tyr had an accent marker in the subtitles when someone else (say Mimir) said his name, but when Tyr is speaking the accent marker is gone. It's unconfirmed, but the idea is Santa Monica did that on purpose as a hint that Tyr was false.
Честно, я думал это Правда Тюр, но это оказался Один, и я в шоке от Смерти Брока!
Да, неожиданно) чуть позже будет ещё версия не с зарубежными летсплейщиками, думаю.
@@TresterGames То есть на Русском?
@@ВалентинЗайцевВолшебникиВоин да, Куплинову только далеко ещё до этого, может без него
Yall are speaking the creepy language
Had Broks death spoiled for me but I had no idea Odin would do it as Tyr, still left me shocked n mind boggled.
Brok’s death caught me off guard but I was suspicious of Tyr ever since the he saw the prophecy and started visibly acting different. And then I noticed he’d call Atreus “Loki” and kept talking about how he knows Kratos’ nature and about how he’s violent and all this, but….he wasn’t told enough about Kratos and Atreus for him to make comments like that, and the way he spoke to Kratos reminded me of Odin. But I didn’t fully put it together until Atreus showed everyone the mask and Tyr started commenting on it, once again…knowing more than he logically should as he should have been absent for most things anyone mentions.
Rip brok he was a true OG
The fact I didn't have any suspicion until I thought it was odd he was walking off with the mask then brok questioning him was do well done I thought he might of betrayed us to stop ragnarok but never that he was actually odin...
Bruh. It hurts to see Brok getting stabbed like that after exposing Odin's disguise.
Something occured to me. Remember in the 2018 game when Thor beat Modi. Do you think that it was actually just Odin in disguise. I feel like that would fit with his character, especially since Thor is portrayed to care for his family.
I like how when Odin talks as Tÿr the subtitles say “Tyr” but In the post game if you find and release the real Tÿr the subtitles say “Tÿr”
I cried at this scene not just because of how sad it was but because I can see me with my big sister in a situation like that!
What’s great about this twist is that there were actually some bright TH-camrs that had this theory A WHILE AGO. Even before the game came out, people were piecing together weird things with Tyr’s character just from the trailer. It’s crazy how it was right in front of our eyes the entire time, we just weren’t connecting the right pieces
The devs themselves forwhadowed it. Look at the subtitles. Whenever anyone that's not disguised Odin says "Týr" they do so with the accent on the Y. But when fake Tyr speaks, the accent is missing.
@@Ashurman666 I know! There’s so many subtle clues
Odin was indeed the best villain in the entire saga
I also love how you find out Tyr was actually Odin the whole time, and later on if you go to Niflheim you will find the real Tyr. Game perfectly put together
I wish the subtitles didn't spoil who Tyr is instantly.
I mean it was only half a second before you were gonna know anyway.
There’s an option to turn off the names on the subtitles. I did that at the beginning to avoid any spoilers. Lol
This game had a better plot twist than most movies I’ve seen. The fact that Odin is with you thru the entire game is just crazy
I was screaming at the top of my lungs at the TV when brok died and even louder when Odin came up
I shed a few tears tbh wasn’t expecting it
I almost cried when he died
Brok figured something wasn't right is the biggest "fuck you" to Odin he could have done. Odin is a massive narcissist and the fact an idiot (in the eye of Odin) called him out when he had the others fooled was a R3 strike to his ego. That's why Odin attacked him.
There were so many clued too. Bird feathers in Tyr's prison, the fact that Odin kept the dwarf that told them where Tyr was so close, how Tyr knew things he shouldn't have for being in prison so long. We were all deceived.
I just played this part blind and I almost cried. Wow the devs are geniuses. Perfect, unexpected twist
I still haven't found a reaction of anyone finding the *real* Tyr
This showed how dangerous Odin’s magic and deception was. What Odin lacked in physical strength and appearance and he definitely made up for in intelligence. He played everyone like a fiddle without even trying
Bro typical gamers reaction was definitely mine when I first played through the story. Like completely shook
10:47 the realisation hit him seconds after, then you could see him having an internal crisis
Brok: Dwarven blacksmith who has made armor for everyone that can survive strikes from dragons and god
Odin with a kitchen knife: Allow me to introduce myself
To be fair though, dwarves have some reputation on making butter knives as the same quality of a sword. Since this is their house and they probably made the knife, I'd say yeah pretty much normal.
I was surprised when Tyr stabbed Brok, I figured that Tyr had just suddenly lost his shit and reverted to some kind of a warriors rage like Kratos might've done in the past. Then he turned into Odin and I was shocked, because he must've kidnapped Tyr in order to impersonate him. Then the penny dropped and I realised he had been Tyr from the start and my jaw hit the fucking floor.
Brok was my favorite side charecter. After this incident I was out for blood
I legitimately felt offended by Odin during this part lmfao
Well at least Odin has died.
when the scammer sees that he can't do any more, he reveals what he is, what a surprise well done.
Ele era um dos melhores personagens da saga, eu ainda tive esperança de que ele não tivesse morrido
Tem uma missão secundária que você descobre a verdade sobre o Týr
Man he totally fooled me as well. I really didnt realize that bastard was there the whole time...
Holy shit the way the subtitle switches Tyr to Odin
The twist we had no way of seeing but doing a relay, it’s so freaking obvious too
Odin didn't lie at the beggining when he said "Tyr is dead"..
'There are consequences to killing a god'
Suppose that ringed true when Kratos strangled Heimdall
Imo one of the best twists in gaming
Brok, the legendary blacksmith whos armor was so shitty it was pierced with a kitchen knife
the very first dude was me whilst playing this yesterday. oh gosh it felt like yesterday when gow '18 came out and huldra's brothers being the best duo..... and now we shad a tear.....
Brok: All you done was make passable “dirt soup”
Odin: and I took that personally
I went so mad at this scene because i truly didn't see it coming and afterward thought it made a lot of sense... I genuinely liked "Tyr" when I discovered him, then when he started to act "weird" (hands on his back, starting to make secrets...) I had a theory that he was a spy for Odin, or that he was a fake Tyr and the one we freed earlier had been captured while we were in Hel, so when Brok started insulting I was like "Yeah bro! Tell them!" And then the realization, the surprise, the hate and the saddness of Brok's death... Bro this scene was amazing
Love that when Odin is backing up w Atreus Kratos says STOP MOVING and Odin freezes in his tracks LMAO
A year later I just got to this part and I was stunned, so glad I've managed to avoid this getting spoiled for me
I never noticed that Odin keeps walking away until Kratos tells him to stop moving. Even when Odin had the upper hand. He was terrified of Kratos
the first time i played it through i knew something was off about Tyr. when we free him he wasn’t angry for being locked away for so long, he almost seemed like he had no ill emotion toward Odin. even before Atreus ran off, everyone was ganging up on him for wanting to go to Asgard. Mimir and Freya had a very serious tone while Tyr had a calm demeanor and said “he’ll misguide you”. but the thing that threw me off the most was that he wasn’t willing to aid/fight in anyway against the person that put him through hell. this game is an absolute masterpiece 🔥🔥
This was a huge twist.I mean maybe MAYBE you could suspect that Tyr was Odin but him killing Brok shocked everyone.No exceptions
That first bro is the definition of flabbergasted