Jotunn is dumb, but I am not allowed to complain about it cause I abused it for my Luna’s Howl, and it feels like an extension of my hand and it disgusts me. Haven’t touched it since I got Luna’s
Im pretty convinced Bad Juju is a weapon of sorrow. Do u guys remember when it said in one of the quest entries; ''whenever you hold this weapon in your hands, your ghost looks... delicious''. Is that not evidence of corruption?
Yeah I’m pretty sure bad juju is a weapon of sorrow made from the understanding that Toland had of the hive, it’s built from his schematics that he left behind
@@jakespacepiratee3740 yea and he was also a "hunter" at one point. Just saying that anything is possible given the current changes to this specific story. The time periods are the biggest issue not necessarily the original story told since that's already changed. Though tbh it's likely as Myelin and some have already said and that it's just that he adopted it as a title like the other Shadows of Yor.
I don't see what's so surprising, even us guardians have dredgen titles, so it should be obvious that Drifter, who is a person that stepped between light and dark, would have the title as well.
Is Necrochasm Rezyl Azir's auto rifle? In Byf's video about The Last Word and Thorn, he said that when Rezyl fought the Hive on the moon, he started with a rifle before tossing it aside in favor of Rose. I'm not sure how much of what Byf said is direct from grimoire cards or is made up for the sake of the story, but assuming Rezyl did literally toss his rifle aside, then it would have just been sitting there. And in Necrochasm's grimoire card, it states that it was made from an ancient Guardian's rifle. I can't help but see a connection there.
@@kaza2185 In short, Rose was Thorn before Thorn was Hive-ified. Thorn was created by Rezyl grafting Hive bones onto Rose, and then those bones slowly corrupting Rose into Thorn.
Hey I just realized something. Byf, you know the world the consul was exiled on? It’s said in the lore that the planet was a desert of pure white. You know the planet that the trials of the nine takes place on and where the new season of the drifter activity takes place? It is, without a doubt, a desert of pure white. Do you think the planet that calus cleared is actually the planet that the nine are currently using? Please like this so people can see
I feel like a lot of people in the comments forgot that Dredgen is now a title. We have Dredgen Vale, and Dredgen Bane, and they’re Shadows of Yor. They call themselves Dredgen as a sort of symbol, not that they’ve embraced the darkness, but that they definitely have no problem killing guardians of it means gaining strength. The Drifter is called Dredgen because he is one of the Shadows, just like Byf and several others assumed. Is he Dredgen Yor, most likely not, but I mean, hey we all assumed we’d never see Uldren’s stupid face again
@@bible91 I mean, in the case of the drifter being yor it wouldn't be a retcon but it would feel just as cheap to me. "Hey guys, you know that dude who went all bad boy killing other guardians and consuming their light and shit? He's back, funnier than ever, has his own game mode, and you have been talking to him without knowing for about 6 months now" :/
Paulo Henrique Lima like I said, it’s a very small chance, it’s most likely because he was a Shadow of Yor, who all love calling themselves Dredgen.....in hindsight I probably could’ve compared them to Beleibers (Beiber fans)...but with darker clothes and spooky guns
@@bible91 oh don't get me wrong, I don't believe he is yor. However it does make me curious to know more about him and his relation to the nine. That's gonna be one lore heavy expansion '-'
I Would love that weapons and armor have the detail of, whispering things... like the ahamkara armor, giving us whispers now and then, making us believe that we are mad or imagining things... calling our name and stuff like that.
Out of all of my late rewatch of this little series on Thorn/Last Word/Lumina, I am most pleased by the fact that you bank 5 motes to get First to Block. Seriously, people hold on to motes way too much.
Now I understand why the year 3 version of necrochasm was my baby in destiny 1’s crucible. In destiny one I primarily used necrochasm and did really well with it even though the meta was clearly elsewhere. The weapon and I did amazing things such as my highest kill streak in any pvp game of 19 kills. (I realize that is small compared to a lot of people but it was cool for me.) In fact during the kill streak I actually lost count and I have to wonder if my necrochasm guided my hands in the past. I love that weapon and I miss how alive it felt.
Maaaan I just gotta say this to the void real quick. It's so fun and rewarding to grind for exotics and come hear to learn about them from Lore Master Byf. I've been grinding the hell out of the Drifter Lore and I'm in the home stretch of getting the Dredgen title. Sure it's arguably one of the easier ones, but I'm having so much fun with Destiny right now.
I think that whisper constitutes as a weapon of sorrow. It fills all the categories, except maybe human made, but it has the same purpose as the other two we know.
Something i would enjoy is that , whem we make the choice between the vanguard and drifter. is that we speak for whenever we choose drifter And the ghost speaks for when we choose the vanguard
Lore that was mined says he is a Dredgen named Dredgen Hope and Shin Malfur is also a Shadow/Dredgen tho he became so to kill Yor i think. Also if u read into the bames of the Dredgens and even Shin Malfurs Dredgen name from the data mined lore u see is that it somewhat makes sense. the Drifter Dredgen name is interesting as it is Hope and the word hope is major and has definitions that dont really fit his character unless he actually is the better of the evil within the group of the Shadows of Yor. We dont know what his true motives are and I think when we find out more this season it will still not be enough.
Just wanted to say something real quick. In general I don't like comment videos about games I enjoy playing. I actively dislike almost all of the popular Destiny 2 videos I've been made to watch/listen to because my friends watch them while I'm around. But your videos are actually very well done. I enjoy your perspectives even when I disagree and I really like your takes on the lore and how you present them. Side note, your voice is awesome too, but that's not why this is the only Destiny channel I've ever watched of my own free will, let alone subscribed to.
Gonna be honest, at first I wasn't going to watch this because I thought I knew all about the Weapons of Sorrow (I love this bit of lore and am really excited to learn more about the Drifter's days as a Shadow of Yor). But I didn't realise that the Malfeasance that I'm grinding for (need Gambit wins, really hard when half your teammates are friggin' bots) wasn't technically a Weapon of Sorrow. Thank you for this video and a chance to learn more about this interesting universe Byf!
It has always been my belief that when it comes to guns such as Grasp of Malok and the Crota’s End guns (and maybe Black Spindle, etc.), they are likely human weapons that Guardians have attached Hive chitin/relics onto in an effort to infuse their power into the weapon.
When you finish the Last Word quest and talk to the Drifter, it gives you every stage of “The Book of Unmaking” (the lore set, you can find it in triumphs, lore, the darkness, you’ll see it). And as Byf mentioned, the weapons of sorrow are made with the instruction of the book of unmaking. The Last Word doesn’t looked very hive-ish but why else would the instruction manual for making the weapons of sorrow be unlocked?
Likely to go and make Thorn, the antithesis of The Last Word. Sure, it could be construed as a Weapon of Sorrow if you decided to take a stance and say WoS are those that have permanently killed guardians, which is sort of what I argue on behalf of--yet that depends on if you can really call Dredgen Yor/Rezzyl Azir a guardian anymore
After a year and a half break from D2, I have returned... I played every day of D1, but D2 couldn't hold my interest at the time. Now there is SO much to do it's difficult to catch up. Your lore videos have been incredible. In both educating me and taking me for trips through The Vault of Glass, and Oryx's downfall. Keep up the killer work!
Couldn't you just say that Weapons of Sorrow are just weapons typically made by destruction with the intent of solely destruction? Thorn robs people of their light, the raid weapons are either linked directly to Hive use or was made using the Hive's understanding of darkness, or in some cases were meant to corrupt indefinitely and destroy the user(Touch of Malice.) To me, it seems more accurate that the term "Weapons of Sorrow" is meant to be a counter to how guardians typically are. We usually use weapons to either destroy those who would do humanity harm, or to sharpen our fangs in the crucible for fights to come. Weapons of Sorrow, in this context, would have a more clear meaning: They are weapons that bring about sorrow because the intent lying behind them isn't always(or in some cases EVER) about aiding humanity or protecting others.
He already addressed that issue on his Twitter. It’s just a title. The Drifter is not Dredgen Yor. All of the shadows of Yor have the dredgen title before their name. Like the darth in front of every sith name in the Star Wars universe.
Was Murmur a weapon of Sorrow? I know it's a weapon fused with Hive tech but it could just be that. It's more like the raid weapons from Crota's End and King's Fall.
One worth mentioning is the Red Death, referred to by Aunor I in the 2nd or 3rd encrypted communication that we've received so far from them. It isn't strictly hive related, but it has confirmed guardian kills past the point of resurrecting which I would see as makings of a Weapon of Sorrow.
@@DuskShadowclaw last word was the easiest quest ever. If you're referring to the PvP portion, Last Word is a 1000% PvP weapon. It is not a Pve weapon what so ever and has zero perks to be useful. Of course there has to be PvP involved. Same goes with thorn.
The Book of Unmaking is a super interesting read. It describes how the Shadows are trying to utilize the darkness to craft weapons that can be used against it. The advent of the tetrahedron ships is looming on the horizon and with all the talk of choosing a side even if it is the wrong one, I can only assume that guardians may need to craft the weapons to survive the impending attack. I'm so excited about season of the Drifter because of the storyline potential!
It would be nice if they had some explanation of what happened to nechrochasm and the touch of malice. They're both incredibly powerful weapons and I feel that they wouldn't have been merely lost during the red war. Someone must've found them
Threatening the legendary Dredgen Yor with his own cursed weapon is an exciting prospect... but he may not be Dredgen *Yor.* He could be another of the shadows who took on the name of Dredgen to follow in his footsteps. I wonder which he’ll turn out to be.
ExAstris- 3130 The Drifter couldn’t be Dredgen Yor, even if he did survive the encounter with Shin Malphur... If you read the Drifter lore cards, Shin Malphur has met the drifter, and voiced his opinions on him. It appears Shin might be using Gambit to draw the Shadows out of hiding and hunts them down. The drifter being referred to as Dredgen would just be because of his possible involvement with the Shadows of Yor.
Sanders 7981 he could be the real yor , the one we hear about in the early d1 and d2 lore could have been another shadow. The drifter is one of the oldest gardians along with saladin the lore really hints that he is someone hiding his true name.
Jhelyssa M. I think it is more likely that the Shadow who aims his Thorn at the Drifter is Dredgen Vale, as Dredgen Vale is a hunter, whereas the Drifter has no class or rather does not belong to any specific class
I lean more towards classifying a weapon of sorrow as a weapon ment to corrupt a guardian and pit a guardian against another repeatedly. Ie, Thorn, it will slowly corrupt any guardian to the point of attacking pitting one anainst another eventually. That is how I read/remember the gun being discribed. I could be off though. Thoughts, feelings anybody?
G Alexander Bryant i want to call malfeasance a weapon of sorrow. You had to defeat guardians in order to build it, and the original purpose for the gun was to defeat Shin.
@@CouchEconomyTX And I'd like to add that taken energy is only one step away from hive magic as well, being Oryx controlled them. It stands to reason that some other high ranking hive mau have dabbled in combining the two at one point or another
As far as the theory of spreading corruption through Guardian ranks. It reminds me of a tactic used by certain spec ops groups in Vietnam. When coming across enemy weapon and ammunition caches, rather than destroy them, the spec ops guys would seed tampered rounds and weapons in the cache. The weapons were designed to be able to fire a few rounds and then suffer a catastrophic failure maiming or killing the user. The ammunition was designed to do that to a weapon that had not been tampered with.
If I remember the Bad Juju perks correctly; kills a) instantly reload the weapon, b) increase the weapon’s damage output and c) charge your super. The more you kill, the stronger you are......isn’t that the sword logic in a nutshell?
Would the Mindbender’s ambition count as a weapon of sorrow? The Mindbender was himself corrupted by the hive and the gun has hive runes all over it. It’s just a theory but I’m surprised Byf didn’t talk about it.
Hast thou heard the legend of [Kane] and [Abel], not something I should say but...a guardian [murdering] their ghost is something that gets my gullet watering...O reader mine
The shapes on the side of Bad Juju are tetrahedrons seen from above (ie the shape of Motes of Dark, the Triangle Ships, and the theme of darkness in general)
What about Bad Juju? I’d personally consider it as well as Touch of Malice. I know that Toland creates Bad Juju and not the Hive, but Touch of Malice is definitely created by the Hive since he intended it to be given to us
Malfeasance is prolly a weapon of sorrow, it's supposed to be Drifters replacement for Thorn. And an Ornament for it makes it look all Taken'y and stuff. It also has a perk to where it's stronger towards Taken; which might lead back to the taken king and D1 if you look hard enough
Whisper and Touch are both Weapons of Sorrow. You don't get much more influential than being directly associated with and touched with the essence of a hive god.
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Jotunn is a weapon of sorrow. Makes me cry all the time when a guardian is one shot from.death and out comes the hail mary Jotunn
i hate that weapon with a passion. such a no brainer...
worse than shotgun aping
It originally was a human toaster brought into the abyss by a hungry guardian
Really ? I don't find it bad at all, it's GOOD against Apes and Titans not so good in any other fire fights.
Jotunn is dumb, but I am not allowed to complain about it cause I abused it for my Luna’s Howl, and it feels like an extension of my hand and it disgusts me. Haven’t touched it since I got Luna’s
@@NETIERRAS imagine not being able to dodge a slow moving projectile because you dont pay attention to your surroundings
Im pretty convinced Bad Juju is a weapon of sorrow. Do u guys remember when it said in one of the quest entries; ''whenever you hold this weapon in your hands, your ghost looks... delicious''. Is that not evidence of corruption?
Its an ahamkara fused weapon
@@MaddesG1 its not lmao tf
@@MaddesG1 is the skull on the front that of an ahamkara's?
@@slimdavy543 That's just a skin you get. The default is the bird head.
Yeah I’m pretty sure bad juju is a weapon of sorrow made from the understanding that Toland had of the hive, it’s built from his schematics that he left behind
Byf is drooling at the Vidoc
Not the only one...
"Dredgen"
I about lost it when the Emissary called him that
Corey Malone same... im still shook
@@jakespacepiratee3740 yea and he was also a "hunter" at one point. Just saying that anything is possible given the current changes to this specific story. The time periods are the biggest issue not necessarily the original story told since that's already changed. Though tbh it's likely as Myelin and some have already said and that it's just that he adopted it as a title like the other Shadows of Yor.
I don't see what's so surprising, even us guardians have dredgen titles, so it should be obvious that Drifter, who is a person that stepped between light and dark, would have the title as well.
Simple: you ask it "are you sad?"
If it replies yes, then it's a weapon of sorrow.
Carlos Hernandez well your not wrong
@@thesweetbusinessfanclub7072
What about his not wrong?
Carlos Hernandez exactly🙌🙌
Me: Are you sad?
Thorn: Yes.
Me: Oh ok.
Ghost: *Floating there in silence*
Me: Wait...
No one cared who I was until I picked up the Thorn
-Dredgen Bane
Nobody at the penis like Amanda - cause 6
It's been so long since I've heard the name necrochasm.
NeverGonnaGetTheAnarchy aww the memories before they nerfed Nerco🤬🤬🤬
Ah yes, one of the most disappointing weapons back in the first Destiny game.
That gun was soooooo much fun! I hated than damn white gun you got before getting the crux of crota
I really hope they bring it back in D2 sometime
it'd be cool to get another weapon that you have to hone using the sword logic. maybe a sword that regens ammo on every kill?
Alright Mavericks! You ready to see what you’re watchin’ today.
LORE VIDEO ON THE HORIZON!
lol
My hero
I now want to see Drifter in Logan Paul's Maverick merch
Alright alright alright let's see what we got HIVE BRING A SWORD
Is Necrochasm Rezyl Azir's auto rifle? In Byf's video about The Last Word and Thorn, he said that when Rezyl fought the Hive on the moon, he started with a rifle before tossing it aside in favor of Rose. I'm not sure how much of what Byf said is direct from grimoire cards or is made up for the sake of the story, but assuming Rezyl did literally toss his rifle aside, then it would have just been sitting there. And in Necrochasm's grimoire card, it states that it was made from an ancient Guardian's rifle. I can't help but see a connection there.
J.R. Grant That may actually be true, good theory
J.R. Grant it’s all in the grimore
This is a very good theory, and I definitely agree there seems to be a connection
may you, or anyone, explain what “Rose” is? never fully understood it, except that it has something to do with thorn.
@@kaza2185 In short, Rose was Thorn before Thorn was Hive-ified. Thorn was created by Rezyl grafting Hive bones onto Rose, and then those bones slowly corrupting Rose into Thorn.
Hey I just realized something. Byf, you know the world the consul was exiled on? It’s said in the lore that the planet was a desert of pure white. You know the planet that the trials of the nine takes place on and where the new season of the drifter activity takes place? It is, without a doubt, a desert of pure white. Do you think the planet that calus cleared is actually the planet that the nine are currently using?
Please like this so people can see
I feel like a lot of people in the comments forgot that Dredgen is now a title. We have Dredgen Vale, and Dredgen Bane, and they’re Shadows of Yor. They call themselves Dredgen as a sort of symbol, not that they’ve embraced the darkness, but that they definitely have no problem killing guardians of it means gaining strength. The Drifter is called Dredgen because he is one of the Shadows, just like Byf and several others assumed. Is he Dredgen Yor, most likely not, but I mean, hey we all assumed we’d never see Uldren’s stupid face again
And just like we thought there were other warminds beside rasputin.
@@paulohenriquelima4761 That's more of a retcon but I guess it still works
@@bible91 I mean, in the case of the drifter being yor it wouldn't be a retcon but it would feel just as cheap to me. "Hey guys, you know that dude who went all bad boy killing other guardians and consuming their light and shit? He's back, funnier than ever, has his own game mode, and you have been talking to him without knowing for about 6 months now" :/
Paulo Henrique Lima like I said, it’s a very small chance, it’s most likely because he was a Shadow of Yor, who all love calling themselves Dredgen.....in hindsight I probably could’ve compared them to Beleibers (Beiber fans)...but with darker clothes and spooky guns
@@bible91 oh don't get me wrong, I don't believe he is yor. However it does make me curious to know more about him and his relation to the nine. That's gonna be one lore heavy expansion '-'
I Would love that weapons and armor have the detail of, whispering things... like the ahamkara armor, giving us whispers now and then, making us believe that we are mad or imagining things... calling our name and stuff like that.
Last time I was this early Cayde wasn't the hunter vanguard.
I mean.... He isn't anymore.
Cody Guerrero oof
Wait so if I killed guy who killed him does that make me hunter Vanguard?
His ass got murdered like a bitch.
TheArQu yup and thus uldren is the new vanguard
Damn Byf, you make some of the coolest videos. Putting together all these pieces of lore is invaluable to the community. Thanks.
Perfect time for this byf, season of the drifter literally right around the corner!
It's almost like... He planned it. :O
@@Xarkom89 :o
"ill do my math after this one bobby duke video"
*finishes video*
*byf uploads*
"dammit"
update: i finished
Out of all of my late rewatch of this little series on Thorn/Last Word/Lumina, I am most pleased by the fact that you bank 5 motes to get First to Block.
Seriously, people hold on to motes way too much.
New Byf video!!!! Best part of my day! Already listened to the thorn last word one like 3 times. Favorite story in destiny.
Now I understand why the year 3 version of necrochasm was my baby in destiny 1’s crucible. In destiny one I primarily used necrochasm and did really well with it even though the meta was clearly elsewhere. The weapon and I did amazing things such as my highest kill streak in any pvp game of 19 kills. (I realize that is small compared to a lot of people but it was cool for me.) In fact during the kill streak I actually lost count and I have to wonder if my necrochasm guided my hands in the past. I love that weapon and I miss how alive it felt.
Those trying to replicate Thorn to permanently kill Guardians are just trying to be Laughing Coffin but y'all not ready to have this conversation.
Jesus Christ there Sao
Maybe Thorn is a Type 54 Black Star with some upgrades?
bruh it basically shots poisend daggers so my weapon dude
Until you realise the truth about the shadows of yor
Yes...i am fully prepared
Maaaan I just gotta say this to the void real quick. It's so fun and rewarding to grind for exotics and come hear to learn about them from Lore Master Byf. I've been grinding the hell out of the Drifter Lore and I'm in the home stretch of getting the Dredgen title. Sure it's arguably one of the easier ones, but I'm having so much fun with Destiny right now.
I think that whisper constitutes as a weapon of sorrow. It fills all the categories, except maybe human made, but it has the same purpose as the other two we know.
after all this time i still get goosebumps every time with that outro, man. every time.
Something i would enjoy is that , whem we make the choice between the vanguard and drifter. is that we speak for whenever we choose drifter
And the ghost speaks for when we choose the vanguard
Drifter calls the last word a weapon of sorrow too as you complete the quest chain.
All of those people who think Drifter is Yor
Are you guys alright?
Alright?
Alright...
ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ALRIGHT
@@RoachDoggJR4200 Let's see what we got
@@Ozilus21 Idiots who think I'm Yor on the field!
oof
Lore that was mined says he is a Dredgen named Dredgen Hope and Shin Malfur is also a Shadow/Dredgen tho he became so to kill Yor i think. Also if u read into the bames of the Dredgens and even Shin Malfurs Dredgen name from the data mined lore u see is that it somewhat makes sense. the Drifter Dredgen name is interesting as it is Hope and the word hope is major and has definitions that dont really fit his character unless he actually is the better of the evil within the group of the Shadows of Yor. We dont know what his true motives are and I think when we find out more this season it will still not be enough.
Just wanted to say something real quick. In general I don't like comment videos about games I enjoy playing. I actively dislike almost all of the popular Destiny 2 videos I've been made to watch/listen to because my friends watch them while I'm around. But your videos are actually very well done. I enjoy your perspectives even when I disagree and I really like your takes on the lore and how you present them.
Side note, your voice is awesome too, but that's not why this is the only Destiny channel I've ever watched of my own free will, let alone subscribed to.
The drifter has the book, go behind him and activate your ghost so that's how it shows
Leaving me on the edge of my seat Byf! Ughhh I can't wait until the next video! I need it now!
Imagine if the ace of spades or last word got turned into a weapons of sorrow
Thorn
That would ruin the meaning of last word
Fully automatic thorn. A corrupted last word would just be a fully automatic thorn.
Joe Brother And? Wasn’t rose a beautiful weapon wielded to help and protect many people before it was turned into thorn
@@mofstar8683 spitting facts
Gonna be honest, at first I wasn't going to watch this because I thought I knew all about the Weapons of Sorrow (I love this bit of lore and am really excited to learn more about the Drifter's days as a Shadow of Yor). But I didn't realise that the Malfeasance that I'm grinding for (need Gambit wins, really hard when half your teammates are friggin' bots) wasn't technically a Weapon of Sorrow. Thank you for this video and a chance to learn more about this interesting universe Byf!
It has always been my belief that when it comes to guns such as Grasp of Malok and the Crota’s End guns (and maybe Black Spindle, etc.), they are likely human weapons that Guardians have attached Hive chitin/relics onto in an effort to infuse their power into the weapon.
Byf still out here making the BEST Lore videos!
All Right All Right All Right let's see what we've got....
Byf on the Horizon
Loving your lore bro Byf. It makes our game more interesting and gives it some Different elements and ways to interact
Is anyone else only really playing season of the drifter with the goal of figuring out what’s going on with uldren
.....that means we get to kill him permanently again with thorn...im in
DragonKnight90001 or since he can come back we can kill him as many times as we want
Biracial Hunter .....or uldren gets thorn, then it’ll be shin malphur v dredgen yore but us (the guardian) as shin and uldren as dredgen
@@biracialhunter5103 Then you'll be disappointed. Uldren won't play a major role till Y3.
@TheGamesv Bungie themselves. They tweeted something about it awhile ago. They said Uldren would take a backseat for the Annual Pass.
His Lored and Savior has come. Byf has returned!
When you finish the Last Word quest and talk to the Drifter, it gives you every stage of “The Book of Unmaking” (the lore set, you can find it in triumphs, lore, the darkness, you’ll see it). And as Byf mentioned, the weapons of sorrow are made with the instruction of the book of unmaking. The Last Word doesn’t looked very hive-ish but why else would the instruction manual for making the weapons of sorrow be unlocked?
Likely to go and make Thorn, the antithesis of The Last Word. Sure, it could be construed as a Weapon of Sorrow if you decided to take a stance and say WoS are those that have permanently killed guardians, which is sort of what I argue on behalf of--yet that depends on if you can really call Dredgen Yor/Rezzyl Azir a guardian anymore
After a year and a half break from D2, I have returned... I played every day of D1, but D2 couldn't hold my interest at the time. Now there is SO much to do it's difficult to catch up. Your lore videos have been incredible. In both educating me and taking me for trips through The Vault of Glass, and Oryx's downfall. Keep up the killer work!
Couldn't you just say that Weapons of Sorrow are just weapons typically made by destruction with the intent of solely destruction? Thorn robs people of their light, the raid weapons are either linked directly to Hive use or was made using the Hive's understanding of darkness, or in some cases were meant to corrupt indefinitely and destroy the user(Touch of Malice.)
To me, it seems more accurate that the term "Weapons of Sorrow" is meant to be a counter to how guardians typically are. We usually use weapons to either destroy those who would do humanity harm, or to sharpen our fangs in the crucible for fights to come. Weapons of Sorrow, in this context, would have a more clear meaning: They are weapons that bring about sorrow because the intent lying behind them isn't always(or in some cases EVER) about aiding humanity or protecting others.
Weapons of Sorrow are human weapons infused with Hive magic. That's the most basic way to put it.
Been looking forward to this since he posted today! Time to sit back n chill to some BYF content
"A side should always be taken little light. Even if it is the wrong side."
after the vidoc im choosing the drifter.
Love that we are getting more lore.
Some people believe the Necrochasm is the auto rifle that Rezzyl Azzir lost in the grimoire.
I wish Hawkmoon had more lore, it was my first and has always been my favorite exotic of all time. I wanna see it D2
360p squad, where you at!!?!!?!?!!
Stevan Nah, 480 squad 4 life
240 #1
Get on that 144p game
1080p60 y’all poor
..... I just get one giant fuzzy pixel
Glad to not see anthem vids missed destiny stuff ,more please
Byf. Will you be talking about the whole trailer from bungie where the Nine agent calls the drifter Dredgen?
Seems more likely that for reactions, his Twitter would be ideal, but for proper analysis it's better to wait for the DLC itself for full context.
He already addressed that issue on his Twitter. It’s just a title. The Drifter is not Dredgen Yor. All of the shadows of Yor have the dredgen title before their name. Like the darth in front of every sith name in the Star Wars universe.
Dredgen is a title, not a person. He isn't Yor.
What's he gonna say? Lmao. We all knew he ran with the Shadows. It's not that big of a reveal.
Sadly realized that after looking at more Lore hahaha
A byf video under 20 minutes? Impossible.
Byf you forgot Murmur.
Was Murmur a weapon of Sorrow? I know it's a weapon fused with Hive tech but it could just be that. It's more like the raid weapons from Crota's End and King's Fall.
@@elitegamer9310 Yeah I'm just saying its a possibility, and he didn't mention it.
The Chief i forgot about that fusion rifle
Thought this too. Could it have be,moved to Eris, and corrupted while she was stuck in the hell mouth.
@@BoxlessThought My theory as well.
One worth mentioning is the Red Death, referred to by Aunor I in the 2nd or 3rd encrypted communication that we've received so far from them. It isn't strictly hive related, but it has confirmed guardian kills past the point of resurrecting which I would see as makings of a Weapon of Sorrow.
You guys excited for thorn i hope its as good as the last word
Hope it's better
@@sdorsain85 like D1 year 1 good 🤣😂
I'm hoping it does not have as hard milestones as the last word did with the crucible
@@DuskShadowclaw last word was the easiest quest ever. If you're referring to the PvP portion, Last Word is a 1000% PvP weapon. It is not a Pve weapon what so ever and has zero perks to be useful. Of course there has to be PvP involved. Same goes with thorn.
D1LLDozZer135 That 2 tap and then you just let their health tick away...that was op
Good to see you rocking that well deserved lens of fate emblem
The Book of Unmaking is a super interesting read. It describes how the Shadows are trying to utilize the darkness to craft weapons that can be used against it. The advent of the tetrahedron ships is looming on the horizon and with all the talk of choosing a side even if it is the wrong one, I can only assume that guardians may need to craft the weapons to survive the impending attack. I'm so excited about season of the Drifter because of the storyline potential!
Touch of malace is quite the revese of a weapon of sorrow, it was the elements of hive that humans took and then placed their art of war on
Kind of wish we had a weapon that seemed like it was a pure light weapon but turned out to be a Weapon of Sorrow.
A Salty One Golden Gun? Makes me sad half the time
Me from the future with lumina
Something you might like, the brand new chaperone ornament is called the Panama ravine. Implying the Panama canal is RIP right now
like the drifter said
we are insane punks who will play both sides
a challenge I gladly accept
Oh too true if duel wield was available for exotics, in one hand thorn in the other last word
@@DragonKnight90001 that would be awesome
"A side should always be taken, even if it's the wrong one."
It would be nice if they had some explanation of what happened to nechrochasm and the touch of malice. They're both incredibly powerful weapons and I feel that they wouldn't have been merely lost during the red war. Someone must've found them
Threatening the legendary Dredgen Yor with his own cursed weapon is an exciting prospect... but he may not be Dredgen *Yor.* He could be another of the shadows who took on the name of Dredgen to follow in his footsteps. I wonder which he’ll turn out to be.
I wanted to ask byf what he thought about that. I really think hes yor and I felt that way since they introduced him.
ExAstris- 3130 The Drifter couldn’t be Dredgen Yor, even if he did survive the encounter with Shin Malphur... If you read the Drifter lore cards, Shin Malphur has met the drifter, and voiced his opinions on him. It appears Shin might be using Gambit to draw the Shadows out of hiding and hunts them down. The drifter being referred to as Dredgen would just be because of his possible involvement with the Shadows of Yor.
Sanders 7981 he could be the real yor , the one we hear about in the early d1 and d2 lore could have been another shadow. The drifter is one of the oldest gardians along with saladin the lore really hints that he is someone hiding his true name.
I think he could be Dredgen Vale, one of the founders of the Shadows.
Jhelyssa M. I think it is more likely that the Shadow who aims his Thorn at the Drifter is Dredgen Vale, as Dredgen Vale is a hunter, whereas the Drifter has no class or rather does not belong to any specific class
Dang it byf you feed me this 4 days before the next season and I love and hate it keep up the great work (and that sexy voice)
I feel very Thorny right now 🥵🥵🥵
I feel horny tho
the sword logic bearing its way into a guardians brain seems to be the key factor in what a weapon of sorrow is
Last time I was this early I caught her cheating. Then she left and took the kids.
Fecking Karen
Weapon of sorrow confirmed.
Awwwww hell yeah! A Byf upload!
I lean more towards classifying a weapon of sorrow as a weapon ment to corrupt a guardian and pit a guardian against another repeatedly. Ie, Thorn, it will slowly corrupt any guardian to the point of attacking pitting one anainst another eventually. That is how I read/remember the gun being discribed. I could be off though. Thoughts, feelings anybody?
G Alexander Bryant i want to call malfeasance a weapon of sorrow.
You had to defeat guardians in order to build it, and the original purpose for the gun was to defeat Shin.
@@CouchEconomyTX And I'd like to add that taken energy is only one step away from hive magic as well, being Oryx controlled them. It stands to reason that some other high ranking hive mau have dabbled in combining the two at one point or another
As far as the theory of spreading corruption through Guardian ranks. It reminds me of a tactic used by certain spec ops groups in Vietnam. When coming across enemy weapon and ammunition caches, rather than destroy them, the spec ops guys would seed tampered rounds and weapons in the cache. The weapons were designed to be able to fire a few rounds and then suffer a catastrophic failure maiming or killing the user. The ammunition was designed to do that to a weapon that had not been tampered with.
Would the bad juju pulse rifle count as a weapon of sorrow?
I think it would
I think it is since it was a byproduct of tolands corrupt ideas and research of the hive and their sword logic.
Did you watch the video?
It's theorized to be a failed weapon of sorrow.
@@michaelhenry3234 I wouldn't be suprised if it was a failed weapon.
the only man who can save destiny lore
Jokes on you Byf Shin is Dredgen Vale.
OOOHHHWEEE !! Mahh boy !! Gettin your chops back for real !!! That’s the BYF I grew to love and respect ! Super on point man ! Good shit !!! 👏👏👏🔥💯💥🕺🏽
"What are weapons of sorrow?"
Well if you into a emo kid's room, you will find plenty of them
If I remember the Bad Juju perks correctly; kills a) instantly reload the weapon, b) increase the weapon’s damage output and c) charge your super. The more you kill, the stronger you are......isn’t that the sword logic in a nutshell?
Bad Juju was Toland's attempt to copy them. But it isn't an actual weapon of sorrow.
Too bad Shin Malphur is Dredgen Vale...
Amazing vid, keep up the great work Byf!
Jesus finally another destiny video. Enough with Anthem
This is very cool Byf! I learned some other things I had no clue about!
Just watched as I got Thorn last week. Now working toward the Necrotic Grip Gaunlet.
Keep up the great content byf! loving it as always!
In my mind, a weapon of sorrow is a weapon that twists the weilder and either feeds off the weilder, or what it kills. A hungry weapon, if you will.
Yay when I saw a byf video I gained my will to live
Travelers Chosen (damaged) is a weapon of sorrow. It not just only kills guardians it makes them deeinstall...
Just got my thorn! Had to make a last second clutch with Chaos Reach in the strike. Looking forward to using it.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR ANOTHER VIDEO LETS GO!
Would the Mindbender’s ambition count as a weapon of sorrow? The Mindbender was himself corrupted by the hive and the gun has hive runes all over it. It’s just a theory but I’m surprised Byf didn’t talk about it.
Hast thou heard the legend of [Kane] and [Abel], not something I should say but...a guardian [murdering] their ghost is something that gets my gullet watering...O reader mine
Posted my views on your Twitter announce for the vid. Not disappointed, great video ma dude!
Finalllyyy got the last word idfk how it took this long but it's fucking amazing
Great video as always mate!
The shapes on the side of Bad Juju are tetrahedrons seen from above (ie the shape of Motes of Dark, the Triangle Ships, and the theme of darkness in general)
U are on your A game Byf! Great video
Thorn one-shotting guardians. Reminds me of Thorn’s glory days in Destiny 1.
Minus the whole corruption and permanent-death
Lol i put you on when its nap/bed time for my kids my 5 year old son loves the books of sarrow now
This is so cool. Never realized the purpose of the weapons.
More fantastic lore. Keep it comin. Hope everything is still all well with you. Also just have to say... man.... I miss bad juju
What about Bad Juju?
I’d personally consider it as well as Touch of Malice. I know that Toland creates Bad Juju and not the Hive, but Touch of Malice is definitely created by the Hive since he intended it to be given to us
I love this mans lore
Byf you should convert your recordings into podcasts.I would love to listen to your content over Spotify, while on the go or at work
Malfeasance is prolly a weapon of sorrow, it's supposed to be Drifters replacement for Thorn. And an Ornament for it makes it look all Taken'y and stuff. It also has a perk to where it's stronger towards Taken; which might lead back to the taken king and D1 if you look hard enough
Whisper and Touch are both Weapons of Sorrow. You don't get much more influential than being directly associated with and touched with the essence of a hive god.
I miss year 3 necrochasm with it's ornament. Such a beautiful fun gun.