This video sent me down a sound design and audio engineering rabbit hole I didn't know I needed. Some things, luckily, I was doing out of common sense and taste, but now I understand the science behind these decisions. Like... I subscribed to fabfilter today, got that TSR, found a clipper in wavs & watched a ton of tutorials over n over, then some sound design stuff, & now im watching this video for at least the 7th time now and it finally allll makes sense. PQ3 locked in!!!! VVS Good stuff bruh!!!
@@effortless4588 so, look up fabfilter’s official videos on the ProQ n ProQ3, then sage audio vids on it, then watch this guy sseb’s video on EQ, then watch this guy sikky beats video on sound design- and then come back to this video. if it didnt make sense before, it will deff make sense now. Pretty sure homie has some vids on sound design too so check those out if u wanna dive deeper. N if it doesnt, watch them over and over again until you have the info down pat. i watched this video multiple times, almost after every other video to further understand anything about phasing etc.. Dont think too hard tho. May be intimidating, but Its pretty simple. Ur probably doin a lot of this stuff already! Have fun n good luck. To GOOD MUSIC 🥂, pun intended in the best way possible
@@effortless4588 ok. Fabfilter’s official videos on ProQ and ProQ3. Then Sage Audio, sseb, & streaky also have great videos. Sound design, Busy has bideos and this guy sikky beats. If you dont feel comfortable now, you def will after these videos. I watched this speciric vid like 10 times. Good luck n 🥂 to makin GOOD MUSIC- pun intended.
Please do a part 2, very useful tricks indeed. Sidechaining in my mixes always feels like I have to sacrifice either the kick or 808, and it becomes very hard when the 808 changes pitch and the kick doesn't. I always find myself with at least one note in the 808 pattern sounding off with a kick, to the point where I'll usually just remove the kick and have 808 only for those notes. Now I usually just "sidechain" some frequencies where I see the most clashing (Neutron EQ shows this well), but the results are still not ideal.
I started to use kickstart 2 for this where you can select which frequency range you want to sidechain which is so much better than just ducking the full volume of the 808
@@prodsyrenjust put a fruity peak controller on your kick, then put a Parametric eq 2 on your 808, and then right click one of the frequency faders, and link to controller, when the window pops up with a text pop down menu, select inverted, then click accept.
what helps me with that problem is using the same kick, but reversing the polarity of the kick that plays at the exact time the higher pitched 808 plays. + sidechain with kickstart In most cases the phase aligns better with that. try it out ;)
Guys, don't forget to pitch your kick, maybe this is sound crazy, but when you will start do it, you will hear what pitch position of your kick are glueing with 808 best way, and i recommend try it with warping and without, because first one not touch phase and last one does. Then, when you think that you found this best pitch position, go to start time, in ableton we have it on the right side of our screen, so try to put your 808 little bit on right side, sometimes you will don't need it, sometimes you need just 2-4 ms, sometimes 8, but not more than 12 i think. This all about phase too. When you will hear glueing between kick and 808 (best knock and punch) this mean that you found best phase position. And then, guys, just do this MIKE DEAN trick, make kick and 808 sound seamlessly on low freq, just make 808 volume like you need for good sound on lows, then turn kick volume down, you can do this with kick punch sound or even without, choice is yours. And when you finally did it, you will need a punch, so just grab any eq, make bell very wide curve around 1000hz (wide - q=0.35) and just boost it around 3-6 db, sometimes kicks are enough boosted on this mid freq, sometimes not. After all this you will have beautiful results, just practice, try another kick, another 808 and practice, practice. You will achieve so good low end and still great punch from kick on mids, I hope this will help.
I will definitely grab up that course you have, (moneys tight ATM) sometime in the inevitable future; I thought, in all my infinite wisdom & intellectualism (lol) id be more knowledgeable on this stuff, at this junction in my musical journey, but this is truly an art, but even moreso, a SCIENCE , and my ego isnt as such that i can't admit i need some schooling.. Thanks for a cool vidoe BWB
Honestly i had this problem i spent weeks figuring it out. N i found that i wasnt using the Right. It has to be JUST right as far as waveform at least for me. And eq the low end alot of ppl eq the kick in the bass put 808 in bass range n kick to nigh to mid . Works for me dont hog the frequency space
Honestly i feel like 99% of people struggle to get their kicks right in the first place.. All this phase alignment is important if kick and base play tougether but i really believe the biggest issue for most people is that they dont get a nice kick or they use samples, so they dont understand the kick, which is of corse very crucial to have a good base...
Thank you! I definitely learned something, I wanted to see how you used compression, I been using fruity balance instead and I never paid attention to the wave forms like you showed. I’ll start doin that
My issue is not knowing which ones are going to boom like crazy in the car, and which ones end up surprising me by sounding dead in the car. There's this 808 I use often and even though in my flat response Sony MDRV06 headphones it sounds tamed, sounds normal, isn't booming too crazy or nothing, as soon as I go play the song out in my car the 808 is hitting so god damn hard that it literally seems like my game plan was to overly boom out the mix due to the low end! And then there's other 808's that sound like they are hitting way too heavy in my headphones, but will surprisingly sound good in the car. I can mix everything pretty solid except for the low end! The low end be playing games with my head!
thnks bro much love, but im asking if its true when i rout the kick in the mixer to the 808 bus i feel like it creats a side chain and i can control how hard the kick to the 808 with that knob under .
I think the same logic would apply, find the point where the waves are interfering/masking each other and clip at that spot. Though probably the simplest solution is to use some kind of envelope to make sure the kick doesn't overstay its punch with the 808.
If you use a clipper on your drum bus, is it bad to also push your mix into a clipper on the master? Cuz I find when I clip my drum bus I can get it sounding good on its own. But the second I use a compressor and clipper on the master it’s like it loses all of its punch, and I don’t push it into a clipper hard at all.
Why not just sidechain and use the Comp section of FL Limiter to duck the 808 whenever the kick hits? It allows you to customize the duck (release time, volume, etc) considering some people require stock plugins and takes a fraction of the time. The reddit question asked how to fix kick and 808 clashing and you went on a rant about phase. I understood what you were showing, but keep it simple.
I think sidechaining is misunderstood. Yes, it can solve two clashing sounds but I don’t believe that’s always the solution. I believe sounds should blend, in this video, I show how to blend.
@@yungsilas_ notice how he starts the video off eq the bass to leave room for the kick? Same technique supplies w vocals vs the whole beat find where the vocals sit in the frequency spectrum and make room for them in the beat
I don't do any of that. That's to complicated. I use wave lab, and what I do is I take a kick and I'll highlight some of the kick part at the end and then I'll take the 808 and blend it that way. When you right click in wave lab there's an option for pasting whatever you copied, that's what I do, I paste. If you go up to editor in wave lab there's an option for mix paste, this I don't do. It doesn't sound right to me. My kick and 808's mixed sound find to me.
Bro i learned a lot. Thanks. You definitely need to do more of these.
This video sent me down a sound design and audio engineering rabbit hole I didn't know I needed. Some things, luckily, I was doing out of common sense and taste, but now I understand the science behind these decisions. Like... I subscribed to fabfilter today, got that TSR, found a clipper in wavs & watched a ton of tutorials over n over, then some sound design stuff, & now im watching this video for at least the 7th time now and it finally allll makes sense. PQ3 locked in!!!! VVS Good stuff bruh!!!
Nice bro I wanna get to that point anything you recommend to start out with to make it easy to catch up?
@@effortless4588 so, look up fabfilter’s official videos on the ProQ n ProQ3, then sage audio vids on it, then watch this guy sseb’s video on EQ, then watch this guy sikky beats video on sound design- and then come back to this video. if it didnt make sense before, it will deff make sense now. Pretty sure homie has some vids on sound design too so check those out if u wanna dive deeper. N if it doesnt, watch them over and over again until you have the info down pat. i watched this video multiple times, almost after every other video to further understand anything about phasing etc.. Dont think too hard tho. May be intimidating, but Its pretty simple. Ur probably doin a lot of this stuff already! Have fun n good luck. To GOOD MUSIC 🥂, pun intended in the best way possible
@@effortless4588 ok. Fabfilter’s official videos on ProQ and ProQ3. Then Sage Audio, sseb, & streaky also have great videos. Sound design, Busy has bideos and this guy sikky beats. If you dont feel comfortable now, you def will after these videos. I watched this speciric vid like 10 times. Good luck n 🥂 to makin GOOD MUSIC- pun intended.
Bro saving producer’s life
Haven’t seen a video from the goat in years 🐐
Brilliant breakdown!
Please do a part 2, very useful tricks indeed. Sidechaining in my mixes always feels like I have to sacrifice either the kick or 808, and it becomes very hard when the 808 changes pitch and the kick doesn't. I always find myself with at least one note in the 808 pattern sounding off with a kick, to the point where I'll usually just remove the kick and have 808 only for those notes. Now I usually just "sidechain" some frequencies where I see the most clashing (Neutron EQ shows this well), but the results are still not ideal.
I started to use kickstart 2 for this where you can select which frequency range you want to sidechain which is so much better than just ducking the full volume of the 808
@@prodsyrenjust put a fruity peak controller on your kick, then put a Parametric eq 2 on your 808, and then right click one of the frequency faders, and link to controller, when the window pops up with a text pop down menu, select inverted, then click accept.
@@prodsyrensurely it’s a lot better to have the exact shape of the waveform controlling the volume rather than an automated timing
Use kick 2 vst from Nick Homero with side chain funcion. You gonna fix.this.
what helps me with that problem is using the same kick, but reversing the polarity of the kick that plays at the exact time the higher pitched 808 plays. + sidechain with kickstart
In most cases the phase aligns better with that. try it out ;)
Great tutorial! You can zoom in more in playlist by increasing timebase number (options -> project general settings)
Definitely we want part 2 it would be a huge help to us 🤗 btw really thanks for this video
busy works making it easy 💣💥
Watching beat tutorial videos in the Car is lowkey a hack
Interesting 😎
@@busyworksbeats Love your videos, Keep up everything!😎
Doing this rn lmao
No need to overthink it get a Spinz a wheezy kick, turn the velocity up, put them in mono and soft clipper on the master…simple
Some knowledge & great gems spilled here instead the urban myths !!! Thank you !!!
Bro a scientist fr
First off thanks my brother for all your hard work and tutorials, can you please do another video on this for Ableton?
Guys, don't forget to pitch your kick, maybe this is sound crazy, but when you will start do it, you will hear what pitch position of your kick are glueing with 808 best way, and i recommend try it with warping and without, because first one not touch phase and last one does.
Then, when you think that you found this best pitch position, go to start time, in ableton we have it on the right side of our screen, so try to put your 808 little bit on right side, sometimes you will don't need it, sometimes you need just 2-4 ms, sometimes 8, but not more than 12 i think. This all about phase too. When you will hear glueing between kick and 808 (best knock and punch) this mean that you found best phase position.
And then, guys, just do this MIKE DEAN trick, make kick and 808 sound seamlessly on low freq, just make 808 volume like you need for good sound on lows, then turn kick volume down, you can do this with kick punch sound or even without, choice is yours.
And when you finally did it, you will need a punch, so just grab any eq, make bell very wide curve around 1000hz (wide - q=0.35) and just boost it around 3-6 db, sometimes kicks are enough boosted on this mid freq, sometimes not.
After all this you will have beautiful results, just practice, try another kick, another 808 and practice, practice. You will achieve so good low end and still great punch from kick on mids, I hope this will help.
Up mi gee given thanks mi general
This helped so much! Thanks!
This is a really great tutorial
Appreciate you my guy been watchin u for years💯💯💯💯💯can you do a video with the spinz 808 on how to make it hit like lil baby beats next?
Soft clipper on the master and turn the 808 uppppppp
Snm i might jus be over thinkin dah shii frfr and lets collab@@mikeball4665
Good stuff! Subbed!
I will definitely grab up that course you have, (moneys tight ATM) sometime in
the inevitable future;
I thought, in all my infinite wisdom & intellectualism (lol) id be more knowledgeable on this stuff, at this junction in my musical journey, but this is truly an art, but even moreso, a SCIENCE , and my ego isnt as such
that i can't admit i need some schooling..
Thanks for a cool vidoe BWB
Honestly i had this problem i spent weeks figuring it out. N i found that i wasnt using the Right. It has to be JUST right as far as waveform at least for me. And eq the low end alot of ppl eq the kick in the bass put 808 in bass range n kick to nigh to mid . Works for me dont hog the frequency space
Honestly i feel like 99% of people struggle to get their kicks right in the first place..
All this phase alignment is important if kick and base play tougether but i really believe the biggest issue for most people is that they dont get a nice kick or they use samples, so they dont understand the kick, which is of corse very crucial to have a good base...
Thank you! I definitely learned something, I wanted to see how you used compression, I been using fruity balance instead and I never paid attention to the wave forms like you showed. I’ll start doin that
1000th like ! Great informative video
great video
Do more ADVANCED tutorials PLEASE BRO!!
Part 2 please
great video.
Gone head hit em with part 2 Game!
My issue is not knowing which ones are going to boom like crazy in the car, and which ones end up surprising me by sounding dead in the car.
There's this 808 I use often and even though in my flat response Sony MDRV06 headphones it sounds tamed, sounds normal, isn't booming too
crazy or nothing, as soon as I go play the song out in my car the 808 is hitting so god damn hard that it literally seems like my game plan was to
overly boom out the mix due to the low end! And then there's other 808's that sound like they are hitting way too heavy in my headphones, but
will surprisingly sound good in the car. I can mix everything pretty solid except for the low end! The low end be playing games with my head!
thnks bro much love, but im asking if its true when i rout the kick in the mixer to the 808 bus i feel like it creats a side chain and i can control how hard the kick to the 808 with that knob under .
Yes part 2
2nd part plsss
How do you deal with mixing 808 note changes? I find that my 808 and kick no longer go together once the 808 goes into different notes
I think the same logic would apply, find the point where the waves are interfering/masking each other and clip at that spot.
Though probably the simplest solution is to use some kind of envelope to make sure the kick doesn't overstay its punch with the 808.
Dope.
If you use a clipper on your drum bus, is it bad to also push your mix into a clipper on the master? Cuz I find when I clip my drum bus I can get it sounding good on its own. But the second I use a compressor and clipper on the master it’s like it loses all of its punch, and I don’t push it into a clipper hard at all.
make part 2 yes
Im beginner only, I as understand it Kick should be stronger than 808? because kick is positive and 808 is negative?
Am i right?
Kick loudest in the mix then 808 and everything else underneath with soft clipper on the master and let it ripppppppppp
some beats or 808s dont need a kick, and if you insist. sidechain
i feel like bro is the opposite of flighreacts
I need to just buy some 808's that are already mixed to perfection. Paying top dollar! And they must all be set for middle C!
Why not just sidechain and use the Comp section of FL Limiter to duck the 808 whenever the kick hits? It allows you to customize the duck (release time, volume, etc) considering some people require stock plugins and takes a fraction of the time. The reddit question asked how to fix kick and 808 clashing and you went on a rant about phase. I understood what you were showing, but keep it simple.
you turn the whole 808 down in volume and not just the low frequencies if you do this.
I think sidechaining is misunderstood. Yes, it can solve two clashing sounds but I don’t believe that’s always the solution.
I believe sounds should blend, in this video, I show how to blend.
@@busyworksbeats so how would one translate a blending sound to vocals onna beat cause dats my main thing I’m working on rn
@@yungsilas_ notice how he starts the video off eq the bass to leave room for the kick? Same technique supplies w vocals vs the whole beat find where the vocals sit in the frequency spectrum and make room for them in the beat
How to mix zaytoven 808 with kikck please ☹️
Masking occurs when the sounds are out of phase. Has nothing to do with loudness
how to eq orchestral drums pls
I don't do any of that. That's to complicated. I use wave lab, and what I do is I take a kick and I'll highlight some of the kick part at the end and then I'll take the 808 and blend it that way. When you right click in wave lab there's an option for pasting whatever you copied, that's what I do, I paste. If you go up to editor in wave lab there's an option for mix paste, this I don't do. It doesn't sound right to me. My kick and 808's mixed sound find to me.
Why watch the video if you didn't need the info? To comment this? He said it's a sound design tutorial lmao not everyone has or wants wave lab
ngl only in this video bro sounds like Khan Academy man
does a kick and bass is the same procedure?
BWB has no place giving advanced tutorials.
Lol
pt 2