This is a great option for night time showering. It would be awesome if you had a combination rocket stove / solar pop can heater hooked up to your shower. Then you could heat with the sun during the day and with the stove at night!
HELLO, MY NAME IS RAY. I WENT TO YOUR CHANNEL AND I SAW THAT YU ARE A FARMER, WELL LET ME TELL YOU THAT IM A NATURAL FARMER. MAYBE YOU KNOW THAT NATURAL FARMING AND ORGANIC FARMING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IN ORGANIC FARMING THEY STILL USING CHEMICAL INGREDIENTS LIKE Ca, K, ET., BUT IN NATURAL FARMING WE DON'T USE THAT, WE MAKE OUR OWN INPUTS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR Ca, WE USE EGGSHELLS, ANIMAL BONES, ETC, FOR K, WE USE BANANA PEELS, ETC., THAT WE PROCESS WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS AND AFTER WE DISSOLVE IT IN WATER AND APPLY TO OUR CROPS. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO LEARN FROM A COUPLE WHO WORKS FOR MY GRANDPA IN HIS FARM AND THEY TEACH ME THIS INCREDIBLE SCIENCE THAT IS NATURAL FARMING, HE WAS FROM JAPAN AND SHE WAS FROM KOREA, SHE WAS THE MASTERMIND AT OUR FARM. WELL, YOU MAY ASK YOURSELF WHY IS IM TELLING YOU ALL THIS? BECAUSE I THINK I CAN HELP YOU GIVING YOU SOME IDEAS FOR WINTER TIME LIKE MY GRANDFATHER DID IN ITALY IN WINTER TIME TO KEEP PRODUCING HIS CROPS AT HIS FARM, HOW? VERY SIMPLE WITH A ROCKET STOVE/HEATER IN AN UNDERGROUND OR REGULAR GREENHOUSE, VERY SIMPLE TO MAKE AND VERY EFFECTIVE TO GROW CROPS, RAISE ANY KIND OF ANIMAL IN WINTER. MOST OF THE PEOPLE CALL ROCKET STOVE BUT THEY DIDN'T USE THE RIGHT WAY TO MAKE IT, BECAUSE IN THE ROCKET STOVE YOU BURN THE WOOD UPSIDE NOT HORIZONTAL LIKE EVERYBODY DO, WITH THIS METHOD YOU BURN 1/3 LESS WOOD THAT THE REGULAR WOOD STOVE USE, THAT IS WHAT THIS GUY IS DOING HERE A REGULAR WOOD STOVE AND CALL IT ROCKET STOVE. AT THE ROCKET STOVE YOU CAN COOK AND YOU CAN HEAT YOUR HOUSE TOO, EVEN YOU CAN MAKE A SYSTEM TO HEAT THE ENTIRE GREENHOUSE. HERE I WRITE THIS WEB PAGE WHERE YOU WILL FOUND A LOT OF IDEAS FOR YOU. insteading.com/blog/rocket-mass-heaters/ HOPE THIS HELP YOU AND HELP YOUR PEOPLE MORE IN THE FUTURE WITH YOUR WINTER PROJECTS!!! PLEASE CONTACT ME, I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND AND WE CAN EXCHANGE IDEAS ABOUT FARMING, AND TOU CAN TELL ME WHAT PART OF JAPAN YOU ARE FROM, WHAT VEGETABLES YOU GROW? DO YOU GROW SPROUTS, MICRO/BABY GREENS? DO YOU RAISE ANY ANIMALS? DO YOU MAKE YOUR COMPOST? DO YOU KNOW THAT CHICKENS MAKE THE BEST COMPOST IN THE WORLD? AND YOU CAN FEED THEM COLLECTING FRESH FOOD WASTE FROM RESTAURANTS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A YEN TO FEED THEM? DO YOU RAISE WORMS FOR FERTILIZERS? DO YOU USE MICROORGANISMS FOR YOUR CROPS? I HAVE A TONE OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS TO SHARE WITH YOU, AGAIN I HOPE I CAN BE YOUR FRIEND. WRITE TOME AND WE CAN EXCHANGE EMAILS TO LEARN MOR FROM EACH OTHER PLEASE. THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE PROJECTS, BLESSINGS. RAY.
I think it's a great working prototype! And I'm sure if you were to do it again you've gained a lot of knowledge for a more refined design. Thanks for posting and for the inspiration!
I love watching you innovate as you build, and seeing your thought process! Wouldn't be as fun if you always showed the final, most elegant form of every design.
I love this video one item on my bucket list is in the next 5 to 10 years I want to build by hand a tiny home of my own and make as many of my amenities off-grid as possible. So this video definitely went on my self-sufficiency playlist so I can take notes on it sometime when I'm not in the middle of doing half a dozen other things! 😊😉🌻💯
I like your humble, open approach to learning and sharing. I'd like to see the wasted heat going to heat a mass with a down-tube, burning up all the carbon. Perhaps heating the floor of the shower, or a mass inside a tent? Rock on.
Hi Wendy. Thanks for the encouragement. There was definitely some wasted heat in this application. I'm actually going to move this small coil to my greenhouse and add a water mass and a clay mass. So, you've kinda read my mind. :-) Thanks for watching.
This is actualy a brilliant idea with a functional prototype. You could also use copper pipe instead of flexible hoses joined to your coil embedded in the stove and add some legging onto it to retain as much heat as possible, also have a larger vertical insulated reservoir tank that will help in retaining the warm temperature while easily homogenising your heated water inside the tank through the heat siphoning action. Great ideas bro!👌
Would a closed system use thermal syphoning to create pressure? Maybe use a check valve to avoid a backflow? I haven't built one yet, but plan on giving it a try.
I’m not sure a pressurized system would work, but I’m not a pro here. :-) The PVC I used was not for pressure. I did another take on this and used house water to pressurize it. It did ok. I think they way I’d proceed is to fill the tank, warm it, then re-pressure with the house water only after the fire is out. I don’t want to risk getting scalded. Thank you for watching. Good luck with your build.
This is a great build! Thanks for sharing! Note though, the teflon tape you are using needs to be threaded over - meaning the direction you wrap it matters. if you wrap in the wrong direction, the threads might push the tape backward and roll up little holes and pockets between the threads. Hope that makes sense.. Thanks again! :)
Thanks for the reminder, Aaron. I try to remember to wind it the correct way. Always half to visualize it in my head first though. :-) Thanks for watching.
I think if you put the shower on one side of the tank and put the tank at an angle it will help with pressure expecily when water level is getting low or maybe a 45° in the middle as a v shape
@@GreenShortzDIY you can just put a tire valve in the tank somewhere on top and pump it up with a bike hand pump or a foot pump to add pressure , but the system would have to air tight, so you would need another way to mount the thermostat gauge, like a threaded version of it. Also keep water in the tank during the day and paint everything black, the sun will help heat the water a bit
Just curious, but is there a way to incline your fuel grate to allow gravity to pull the wood downward rather than having to continuously pushing the fuel in?
Genuinely impressed, just like I saw the other day "Man landed on the moon". I am wanting to build a cobb, wood fired oven / pizza oven. (Jas. Townsens & Son and My Self Reliance (Shawn James)) has built on like I want, but now, I will be incorporating coils into the structure. I agree with the other sub, that the coil should be imbedded. But like you said, this is a learning channel. Great video!
I’m honored to be associated with those guys...two excellent channels. I haven’t fired the coil enough to run into any melt or degradation problems yet. Stay tuned. :-) Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY I know what you mean. If I can't figure it out in my mind, I pretend to screw the fitting on and make the actual screwing motion with my hand before winding the tape. Seems silly but works!
Sean, thanks for the tip. My second version of the tank, which is pressurized, leaks pretty badly. But, I'll file this in the archive for my next PVC build. Thanks for watching.
Thanks. Provoked thoughts of incorporating the heat exchange and storage efficiencies of a recycled propane or nat gas water heater by replacing the burner and controller with a rocket stove. These tanks are insulated and have engineering, routing, and safety problems built-in at the factory. They allow for heat exchange, gravity supply, and in-line additions of secondary/tertiary heat sources with a bit more planning. Looking forward rocket man.
Not only longer copper coils, but a metal tank reservoir on top of the rocket stove. Also the hot entering at the bottom, so that as the hot water rises, it will disperse the energy through out the tank. It might require a check valve on the lower tank inlet in order to start the siphon.
Love the videos, giving me great ideas, I'm curious on your thoughts on if you had a bigger tank, say if someone used a 55 gallon food grade plastic barrel, and having one set up above would that help increase the water pressure naturally ?
Well overall I think it was a good experiment. I learned a lot and consider it a success and thank you for the content. I think to often when we experiment with ways of achieving an alternative to what we readily have in modern conveniences, we focus to much on trying to recreate an absolute equal result to what we get with those modern conviences, and in the process we tend to way over think thing's and that is where we start complicating the process. My personal approach to such experiments and invention dabbling is from an prep'r survivalist approach. In an grid down type survival scenario thing's just aren't going to be as cozy cushy comfortable as what we are used to. But with ideas such as your cob rocket stove and water heater shower we can definitely have a little more comfort than going down to the cold creek to wash up everyday in a shtf situation.
Instead of using a 45 degree connector off of the tank have you considered a ninety degree connector so you have complete drainage of the pipe with minimal measuring and tweaking?
I really like the direct conduction you have going with the coil in the chamber, I feel like you could further expand on the other viewers suggestion, to not use perlite in that area, by using a metal pipe of some sort to wrap around the outside of your coil. You could then pack the gap here with a conductive cob, possibly with metal shavings or another conductor. You could make this piped in heat exchanger section larger than your coil and reap the benefits of higher thermal efficiency without the cost of more copper piping. You could further aid the exchanger by using another metal pipe as the inner diameter of the exchanger section of the burn chamber (if creating an exchanger larger than one's coil). Not an engineer by any means so call me out of this is totally wrong.
Sean, I agree totally with what you have posited, I would also personally want to add something like sheet metal on the inside of the copper coil. Not only to add thermal transfer (if you get side tracked like green shorts did and the fire goes out, you have some heat from the sheet metal to help maintain. Plus if he lost the updraft and cold air came in, wouldn’t that make the copper fragile over time?) but to protect the coil. I would want to encase my copper coils in something equally protective and conductive. If the inside of that copper coil is continually exposed to high heat (the flames are 2 feet above the chimney), the copper will become fragile, leak and break in a short period of time! At work i deal with various types of tubing, including copper. Our copper tubing is run through heavy magnets (biggest ones are 6500lbs) for cooling. We have copper fail on the inside of the magnets because of prolonged heat exposure, we started wrapping them in this non-conductive material to protect them but only after the copper has failed internally to the magnet. Also, I just personally repaired an input copper flag over the last 3 days. We require DI water, but only get Chill water from the hospital. So we deal with the friction of the cold water full of minerals ‘sand papering’ the inside walls, 24-7. The copper literally just crumbles. I understand that I am dealing with some of the extremes of copper, compared to Green Shorts, but science still applies. Protect the inner walls of the copper tubing, ESPECIALLY where there may have been a “little kink in the tubing that was fixed”. That may flow water normally without restrictions, but you have created a stress spot in the tubing and direct heat (ESPECIALLY FIRE!) will be the first place that copper tubing separates. Damn, I was tryin to be short.
I would think a much larger storage area would be needed with cold water feeding directly through the stove, and another line to cool the heated water down a bit. Only a thought. Thank you for the video!! Blessings!
Hi Mary. I agree with your assessment. Watch the third video in this series. I expand the tank like you are suggesting. And add pressure. Thanks for watching.
Thank you. I may be moving to an off grid homestead and I have not seen a rocket stove built, which was so interesting to me!! I would love to see how to make an outside Cobb oven!! Blessings!!
Mary, I’ve done a cob bread oven video. Look for the “Full Build” in the title. Also suggest you look into a Rocket Mass Heater to heat your home. It uses rocket stove combined with a barrel to divert the exhaust down and through a mass to absorb and radiate the heat slowly. An 1000 degree stove burn will only exhaust 150-200 degrees out the chimney. A 2-hour burn can heat the house all day. You may be able to route your water heating through the same system.
Thank you! I watched the 3rd video, I was thinking of gravity fed water flow from buckets vs. pressurized water. I wonder if the stove can heat water fast enough to keep your storage tubes full, to take a full shower. Thank you for your responses and videos, and I will look for the oven video. The rocket stove is definitely a solid option for heating my future dwelling, since commercial stoves do burn alot of wood, though they are building mostly for pelleted fuel, which I am not interested in!! The prospect of using wood that I harvest, and using much smaller amounts due to these stoves efficiency is exciting to me!! Thank you so very much!! Blessings!!
Oh, I just ordered last night the book on building rocket mass stoves, then your video popped up!! My LORD works to keep my life on HIS tracks, waiting for HIS path to become obvious is so hard at times, but this is working better than me charging ahead with my plans and HE can fit in as my aide!! Blessings in abundance!!
Great idea for application. Perhaps a different rocket stove instead of the cobb...aircrete would be a perfect option for lightness and rigidity...but your concept would work great. Thanks for watching, WLG. :-)
Man great job! I've been following this project since you started it,I love stuff like this! I live in Nashville but grew up in Norcross,so it's good to know there's still a few good ole boys down there lol. Great work brother!
I think it would be cool if you found a way to insulate the tank so it would hold its heat for a longer period of time, in this situation it might not be necessary but I think it would be something to try. Thanks have a great Saturday!
Good suggestion Hunter. I plan to use the water immediately in most cases, but insulation would also make the whole thing more efficient. Thanks for watching.
How about a system that heats with wood and then runs the hot water inside the house to the indoor water heater. Thereby reducing the energy cost ( I have to use propane) to provide hot water.
you should run it into an old water heater like I did. Keeps it warm for a long time. Hook your w/h drain outlet onto a 12volt rv pump, and from the pump to a shower wand. instant pressurized hot water. you just have to release the pop off valve when draining, to allow air in while draining.
Hey cool set up swap out the black iron pipe with schedule 80 pvc and glue both sides that are getting glued not just one you with end up with problems... good luck and happy building
Yes keep it up I sure hope it worked out well I seen a similar system done on top of a van pressurized and it was cool.... your system is something I’m gonna try out.....Cheers
in a standard shower, there are two source water lines in order to help control the water temperature. In this scenario, one could easily heat the water to a very dangerous level. Can you add a cold water tank and then a similar valve for a standard shower (or any way to adjust the flow of each temp). Just trying to think of safety and scald prevention. Rocket stoves can produce intense heat and if not closely monitored the tank could easily get close to boiling temps since it has a relatively small capacity.
Yeah. I was (am) concerned about the water getting too hot. My first test with the bucket did get too hot to dip my hand it. I like the idea of a mixing valve like a regular shower. Thanks for the idea. Thanks for watching.
Hi. THis might be a better comment on the first vid, but I'm here now :) For a rocket system on all the mass heaters I have seen online they are takign the heat out at the top instead of in the middle. Was having the heat coil in the middle because it was easier to build? Putting the coil at the top would let you get all the heat from the flame you had in the chimney too ? It's great to see how you experiment and tinker with these things.
Pressurizing the tank will also mean that your flow rate for the shower will be higher so your showers will not last as long. Unless of course you only pressurize during heating. I like these videos of developing ideas and tinkering to make them work better. I just subscribed.
A more efficient way of fueling is to have a vertical feed box with a horizontal chimney. Long 4x4's or similar wood cuttings are fed into the feed box so the fire feeds itself. The heat is forced horizonally over the coils and out a stove pipe.
Pressure due to gravity is a function of how high the tank is above the showerhead. You can get A LOT more pressure without using pumps or a pressurized tank by simply raising the tank and running a pipe down to the showerhead.
I'm thinking a better valve to use would be a brass one with a faucet handle or a lever handle. Those plastic ball valve ones are very stiff and difficult to use.
Agree. It was a little difficult to turn. I need to look at some alternatives to the valves. I had that one on hand, so I used it. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
I'm telling you from experience that there is nothing like a HOT shower somewhere that it's really cold. The last time I had anything of the sort was when I opened the bathroom window (a full-sized window) in the middle of winter while taking a shower. The bathroom became a cloud chamber. Probably not great for moisture control, but an outside shower might just do the trick.
I think the top hose should be the cold water hose and the bottom one be the hot water. As the water is flowing downward towards the heat and will heat up faster. Most of the heat is at the bottom.
@@GreenShortzDIY like a copper hotwater cylinder , so it act as a back bboiler but on top. but even on your version, a 12v pump on it would circulate the water faster
Definitely going to need the line water supply to produce pressure with the current setup, since a horizontal reservoir tank means there's going to be nada as far as head pressure is concerned. Barely going to trickle. Reservoir also needs to be well above the tap that drains from it unless there's some other source of pressure like a pump. Might not be a bad idea to repurpose one of those 5 gallon beverage cooler barrels as your reservoir, since those should be common enough and they'll be insulated to some amount.
I agree the pressure line will help. It did actually have a better flow than I thought it would. I like your idea for the reservoir. Thanks for watching.
Pressure due to gravity is a function of how high the tank is above the showerhead. You can get A LOT more pressure without using pumps or a pressurized tank by simply raising the tank and running a pipe down to the showerhead.
If you're planning to install the pipes outdoors permanently, you should consider spray painting them black. They then will warm up throughout the day because of the energy of the sunlight, in summer that should be already enough, and you won't even need any further energy to have a warm shower. best wishes from germany ;)
@@GreenShortzDIY Ahh, I didn't catch the third installment...lol I've been thinking of something similar, but portable, to take along on camping trips...
Maybe if you added 3 undersized baffles (dampners) to the center of the stove chamber it might direct the flame out to the pipe coil. If the flame chamber is 5" in diameter, add three 2 or 3" baffles (like a dampner). The flame would still go up but maybe direct some BTUs to the outside coil. Also, water pressure would increase if the tank was vertical and higher. Or, if the coils were not embedded in the clay, but out in the flame they would absorb more heat. Just a thought.
There is a guy on utube on camper van Kevin site and it is showing us how to make a shower that u only need 1 gallon of water and u can take a shower for a hour with it.
I have an idea, you should make a Galvanized metal water tank and paint it with heat resistant paint and put it on top of the chimny to benifet of the raised flames beside of the copper coil 👍👍👍
Standard water heaters are hot water heaters - it's what they do 90% of the time. They heat already hot water! I know that's your prototype but if your going to heat the water then shut down the stove, you'll need to insulate the tank and pipes. You're definitely losing heat without insulation. so it will increase efficiency either way.
That is an excellent point, Phylis. :-) Thank you for your suggestions as well. I plan to use the water right away, but insulation would be a good addition regardless. Thank you for watching.
Yeah. I wasn't as concerned about the joints given that this tank wouldn't be under pressure. But, when I build a pressurized version of this tank, I'll definitely be using primer. Thanks for the feedback.
you most likely have a large air space at the top of your tank, your inlet should be at the top of the tank but you can probably just lift that end until its higher . Maybe check out the car top showers with an inlet at one end and the outlet at the other, many have a Schrader/tire valve. so you can pressurize the tank. If you use black abs or paint the tank black it will be plenty hot with just the Ga sun in warmer weather
Thanks for the feedback, Doc. I agree with your air gap concern. Ultimately I think I’ll be making the tank vertical. I was thinking about using my air compressor to add pressure to the tank. Thanks for sharing your ideas. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the tip. I am rebuilding the tank and found the small section of pipe you recommended right where you said it would be. :-) Thanks for watching.
My thought was that a no-pressure system would be ok without primer + glue joints. I do think I’ll bring pressure to this system, so that may come back to bite me. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
This will work a lot better with a significant difference in the height of the cold outlet and hot inlet on the tank. Without this there is not enough of the thermosyphon effect. So the tank can only work if it an upright version. This is why it isnt working well - nothing to do with the Rocket Stove setup - which is fine
But the higher the difference the more stratification of the water. If you do go for the pressurised system i would put an elbow on the end which drops down to the feed so the cold water sits lower while having the shower. In current setup cold water will cool the warmed water straight away
Take in account when attaching the garden hose (pressure) it will push the warmed water out quicker, thus requiring larger storage capacity to maintain desired time usage. To calculate storage capacity & time (usage duration) for garden hose pressured, simple time & fill a 5gal. bucket (With shower head & valve)(wide open or set setting). Example = 5gal. took 5min. to fill and you want 10min. shower, which = 10gal. storage capacity required..... Note: If your going to add pressure you will need to change your storage design.... Cold must disperse inside storage container at the bottom while the hot exits at the top.... Food for thought.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Davy. Good insights here. I will definitely take them into consideration as I modify this outdoor shower set up. Thanks for watching.
It would not look as nice but would be easier to build and likely work a little better to get rid of the center tap, install on a slant, and just connect cold return and shower head to the low end and hot return to the high end. Coming out of the low end with a 90, you can still connect the cold return and shower head oriented perpendicular to the ground. Alternately you could orient the tank vertically, would have pressure for the first half of the shower and improve the thermal siphon. It’s getting large enough that if you go for a larger tank, you may want to choose more diameter vs. length.
Ian, ultimately I agree that the tank will need to go vertical. My choice to go horizontal was more to do with mixing hit and cold water, and easy filling. It also worked with the space I had. But you’ve given me an idea on perhaps converting my big chimney pipe stove into a water heater and use your slant idea. Thanks for the feedback and for watching.
Some collective consciousness going on here. You posted part 1 of this video and I had just finished building a tub frame in my backyard, all in the attempt to make a wood-fired hot tub using a cob rocket stove as the water heater. I am planning on having pot holders on top of the chimney for heating water or cooking as you mentioned. I thoroughly enjoy your videos and your relaxed nature. I’m also very envious of your CLAY! You’re blessed! I built this MINI cob oven a couple years back: www.instructables.com/id/MINI-WOOD-FIRED-EARTH-OVEN/
Mark, your oven looks amazing! You will definitely need to scale up my mini rocket stove water heater for a hot tub application. That sounds amazing. I love the idea of having your snacks cooking on the top. Nice! Thanks for watching and the encouragement.
I'm with you. For it's simplicity, it is an amazing product and a great use for plastic. It sometimes gets demonized, but if used properly and disposed of properly, it's a great building material. Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY I've used it to developed film in bulk.Been a sports photographer for 45 years I'm 60 and like when people use great imagination to make things better. PVC works great and it's easy to work with.
That’s brave. I think I’d skip the shower in the 20s. Ha. But, I see your point, 50 degrees would be plenty warm for a camping shower. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
Bro your clever but that pvc no. Get an old tank ideally an old electric go directly to that as will have pressure gauge. You must have a pressure release. Must . Elevate it or use pump. Possibly 100% free hot water. I been doing it for years. Too easy
You had it right, it is a hot water heater, so who told you differently is wrong. When you get a hot water heater for your home, you wouldn't go to Home Depot, Lowe's or Somerville Plumbing Co. and say you need a water heater, you would ask for a hot water heater or a hot water tank, which is all a technicality, but they are all the same thing, except for a boiler.
Frankenstein project !🧟♂️ Just grab an old cast iron tub, through it on the lawn, fill it with water and light a fire under it. You could be like bugs bunny. jk
Yeah. This is not a normal use for this type of pipe. It is also not rated for pressure. I think it should function ok for this application. Of course, in this outdoor application, a few drips won’t be the end of the world. :-) Thanks for watching.
Not being a dick here, but this is a normal stove. From my knowledge, rocket stove has an afterburner where gases burn completely so is way more complex. It would be interesting to see it made small scale from cob and brick and it shouldn't take that much more space.
I like your green ideas, still you use a lot of plastic in your projects! For my part I would try to avoid buying at big stores and look for materials that can be recycled.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree on your focus on reusing materials. My take on plastic is that it is a great building material for permanent uses, versus single use or disposable. That said, PVC is a Redlist item for the Living Building certification. I’ll agree that a more natural material is always better, just maybe harder to find. Thanks for watching.
I know of a far better water heater that works on a rocket stove and heats 50 Letres aka 12.5 gallons to 80°C aka 176°F with less than a dozen sticks that are 3/4 inch round and less than a foot long
@@GreenShortzDIY another thing that particular helps with heating the water is to not use thermal siphon and to actually pump the water backwards to that of the thermal siphon
When you dry assemble any job mark off the parts (With a pencil HB is best I think) that you are going to fit, that way ,.you Don'thave to say , Its Good enough , have it perfect Irish Citizen
Nice project, but all that plastic? Not very green at all. I hate being negative, but we all need to do more if our children want to inherit a planet as we found it.
Ha. Well that’s true. :-) But, I like making the unusual and experimental (and over complicated). It’s about the journey. And often I’ll simplify later. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
Typical American is complicating things which are very simple. Water pump 12 V give you some pressure and heat 10 gal of water the military style is fast and you don't need rocketstove ( insert to water metal pipe like U and heat with large size propane torch) Perfect also for camping. To check temp. of water you don't need scale of F just submerge hand )Your project looks more "scientific".
Ha. I can appreciate your solution. My angle is usually experimental, which usually starts out complicated and then simplifies. I often start with a rocket stove as a base, creating energy with found fuel. Thanks for watching.
I can’t argue with the importance of using primer. I didn’t glue portions of the tank because I plan to take it apart in the next video. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
This is a great option for night time showering. It would be awesome if you had a combination rocket stove / solar pop can heater hooked up to your shower. Then you could heat with the sun during the day and with the stove at night!
Thanks for the suggestions, Greg. I need to learn more about the solar pop can method. I heard a little. Thanks for watching.
Good evening!
Japan, where I live, will soon be in winter. I'm looking forward to boiling hot water in a wood-burning stove and drinking coffee. 🍂
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HELLO, MY NAME IS RAY. I WENT TO YOUR CHANNEL AND I SAW THAT YU ARE A FARMER, WELL LET ME TELL YOU THAT IM A NATURAL FARMER. MAYBE YOU KNOW THAT NATURAL FARMING AND ORGANIC FARMING IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE IN ORGANIC FARMING THEY STILL USING CHEMICAL INGREDIENTS LIKE Ca, K, ET., BUT IN NATURAL FARMING WE DON'T USE THAT, WE MAKE OUR OWN INPUTS, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR Ca, WE USE EGGSHELLS, ANIMAL BONES, ETC, FOR K, WE USE BANANA PEELS, ETC., THAT WE PROCESS WITH OTHER SOLUTIONS AND AFTER WE DISSOLVE IT IN WATER AND APPLY TO OUR CROPS. I HAVE THE PRIVILEGE TO LEARN FROM A COUPLE WHO WORKS FOR MY GRANDPA IN HIS FARM AND THEY TEACH ME THIS INCREDIBLE SCIENCE THAT IS NATURAL FARMING, HE WAS FROM JAPAN AND SHE WAS FROM KOREA, SHE WAS THE MASTERMIND AT OUR FARM. WELL, YOU MAY ASK YOURSELF WHY IS IM TELLING YOU ALL THIS? BECAUSE I THINK I CAN HELP YOU GIVING YOU SOME IDEAS FOR WINTER TIME LIKE MY GRANDFATHER DID IN ITALY IN WINTER TIME TO KEEP PRODUCING HIS CROPS AT HIS FARM, HOW? VERY SIMPLE WITH A ROCKET STOVE/HEATER IN AN UNDERGROUND OR REGULAR GREENHOUSE, VERY SIMPLE TO MAKE AND VERY EFFECTIVE TO GROW CROPS, RAISE ANY KIND OF ANIMAL IN WINTER. MOST OF THE PEOPLE CALL ROCKET STOVE BUT THEY DIDN'T USE THE RIGHT WAY TO MAKE IT, BECAUSE IN THE ROCKET STOVE YOU BURN THE WOOD UPSIDE NOT HORIZONTAL LIKE EVERYBODY DO, WITH THIS METHOD YOU BURN 1/3 LESS WOOD THAT THE REGULAR WOOD STOVE USE, THAT IS WHAT THIS GUY IS DOING HERE A REGULAR WOOD STOVE AND CALL IT ROCKET STOVE. AT THE ROCKET STOVE YOU CAN COOK AND YOU CAN HEAT YOUR HOUSE TOO, EVEN YOU CAN MAKE A SYSTEM TO HEAT THE ENTIRE GREENHOUSE.
HERE I WRITE THIS WEB PAGE WHERE YOU WILL FOUND A LOT OF IDEAS FOR YOU.
insteading.com/blog/rocket-mass-heaters/
HOPE THIS HELP YOU AND HELP YOUR PEOPLE MORE IN THE FUTURE WITH YOUR WINTER PROJECTS!!!
PLEASE CONTACT ME, I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIEND AND WE CAN EXCHANGE IDEAS ABOUT FARMING, AND TOU CAN TELL ME WHAT PART OF JAPAN YOU ARE FROM, WHAT VEGETABLES YOU GROW? DO YOU GROW SPROUTS, MICRO/BABY GREENS? DO YOU RAISE ANY ANIMALS? DO YOU MAKE YOUR COMPOST? DO YOU KNOW THAT CHICKENS MAKE THE BEST COMPOST IN THE WORLD? AND YOU CAN FEED THEM COLLECTING FRESH FOOD WASTE FROM RESTAURANTS AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO SPEND A YEN TO FEED THEM? DO YOU RAISE WORMS FOR FERTILIZERS? DO YOU USE MICROORGANISMS FOR YOUR CROPS?
I HAVE A TONE OF QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS TO SHARE WITH YOU, AGAIN I HOPE I CAN BE YOUR FRIEND. WRITE TOME AND WE CAN EXCHANGE EMAILS TO LEARN MOR FROM EACH OTHER PLEASE.
THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR FUTURE PROJECTS,
BLESSINGS.
RAY.
I think it's a great working prototype! And I'm sure if you were to do it again you've gained a lot of knowledge for a more refined design. Thanks for posting and for the inspiration!
Thanks for the encouragement, Forager. And thanks for watching.
I really like your humble approach towards your projects AND your audiences comments. Theres too little of that around nowadays. Im subscribing :)
Thanks bro. I appreciate the encouragement. And the sub. Thank you for watching.
I love watching you innovate as you build, and seeing your thought process! Wouldn't be as fun if you always showed the final, most elegant form of every design.
Thanks for the feedback and for watching.
I love this video one item on my bucket list is in the next 5 to 10 years I want to build by hand a tiny home of my own and make as many of my amenities off-grid as possible. So this video definitely went on my self-sufficiency playlist so I can take notes on it sometime when I'm not in the middle of doing half a dozen other things! 😊😉🌻💯
I used a old Coleman cooler for a tank.
Great idea Allen! Thanks for sharing.
I like your humble, open approach to learning and sharing. I'd like to see the wasted heat going to heat a mass with a down-tube, burning up all the carbon. Perhaps heating the floor of the shower, or a mass inside a tent? Rock on.
Hi Wendy. Thanks for the encouragement. There was definitely some wasted heat in this application. I'm actually going to move this small coil to my greenhouse and add a water mass and a clay mass. So, you've kinda read my mind. :-) Thanks for watching.
Mixing valve for hot/cold water? Cold (ambient temp) water could be in a 55 gal elevated drum.
Too hot water would be a concern.
This is actualy a brilliant idea with a functional prototype. You could also use copper pipe instead of flexible hoses joined to your coil embedded in the stove and add some legging onto it to retain as much heat as possible, also have a larger vertical insulated reservoir tank that will help in retaining the warm temperature while easily homogenising your heated water inside the tank through the heat siphoning action. Great ideas bro!👌
Would a closed system use thermal syphoning to create pressure? Maybe use a check valve to avoid a backflow? I haven't built one yet, but plan on giving it a try.
I’m not sure a pressurized system would work, but I’m not a pro here. :-) The PVC I used was not for pressure. I did another take on this and used house water to pressurize it. It did ok. I think they way I’d proceed is to fill the tank, warm it, then re-pressure with the house water only after the fire is out. I don’t want to risk getting scalded. Thank you for watching. Good luck with your build.
Would a pair of check valves help direct the water flow and protect the copper coil from boil-off
This is a great build! Thanks for sharing!
Note though, the teflon tape you are using needs to be threaded over - meaning the direction you wrap it matters. if you wrap in the wrong direction, the threads might push the tape backward and roll up little holes and pockets between the threads. Hope that makes sense.. Thanks again! :)
Thanks for the reminder, Aaron. I try to remember to wind it the correct way. Always half to visualize it in my head first though. :-) Thanks for watching.
A small tip for winding the teflon tape. The outside of the tape should touch the pipe...this way you can winde the roll around the pipe. cheers
Thanks for the tip Andre. Thanks for watching.
This thing is truly cumbersome but a great demonstration on heating water a complicated way.
Ha. The tank was a bit of a beast. :-) will be simpler the next go round. That’s how I roll. Thanks for watching.
I think if you put the shower on one side of the tank and put the tank at an angle it will help with pressure expecily when water level is getting low or maybe a 45° in the middle as a v shape
Thanks for the ideas, Wesley. I like the idea of a V tank. Interesting. Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY you can just put a tire valve in the tank somewhere on top and pump it up with a bike hand pump or a foot pump to add pressure , but the system would have to air tight, so you would need another way to mount the thermostat gauge, like a threaded version of it.
Also keep water in the tank during the day and paint everything black, the sun will help heat the water a bit
Just curious, but is there a way to incline your fuel grate to allow gravity to pull the wood downward rather than having to continuously pushing the fuel in?
Genuinely impressed, just like I saw the other day "Man landed on the moon". I am wanting to build a cobb, wood fired oven / pizza oven. (Jas. Townsens & Son and My Self Reliance (Shawn James)) has built on like I want, but now, I will be incorporating coils into the structure. I agree with the other sub, that the coil should be imbedded. But like you said, this is a learning channel. Great video!
I’m honored to be associated with those guys...two excellent channels. I haven’t fired the coil enough to run into any melt or degradation problems yet. Stay tuned. :-) Thanks for watching.
great stuff and love your not overboard humor....cheers
Thanks for watching. :-)
Looking good. Just a little tip: be sure to wind the teflon tape in the same direction as the thread to prevent unwinding when screwing.
Hi Joris. Thanks for the tip. I was trying to do that in my head, couldn’t always visualize which way the fitting would turn. Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY I know what you mean. If I can't figure it out in my mind, I pretend to screw the fitting on and make the actual screwing motion with my hand before winding the tape. Seems silly but works!
The tail should be trailing , not leading
Just an FYI: when solvent welding you really should spread the cement on both pieces before gluing them together.
Sean, thanks for the tip. My second version of the tank, which is pressurized, leaks pretty badly. But, I'll file this in the archive for my next PVC build. Thanks for watching.
Thanks. Provoked thoughts of incorporating the heat exchange and storage efficiencies of a recycled propane or nat gas water heater by replacing the burner and controller with a rocket stove. These tanks are insulated and have engineering, routing, and safety problems built-in at the factory. They allow for heat exchange, gravity supply, and in-line additions of secondary/tertiary heat sources with a bit more planning. Looking forward rocket man.
Not only longer copper coils, but a metal tank reservoir on top of the rocket stove. Also the hot entering at the bottom, so that as the hot water rises, it will disperse the energy through out the tank. It might require a check valve on the lower tank inlet in order to start the siphon.
Love the videos, giving me great ideas, I'm curious on your thoughts on if you had a bigger tank, say if someone used a 55 gallon food grade plastic barrel, and having one set up above would that help increase the water pressure naturally ?
Well overall I think it was a good experiment. I learned a lot and consider it a success and thank you for the content. I think to often when we experiment with ways of achieving an alternative to what we readily have in modern conveniences, we focus to much on trying to recreate an absolute equal result to what we get with those modern conviences, and in the process we tend to way over think thing's and that is where we start complicating the process. My personal approach to such experiments and invention dabbling is from an prep'r survivalist approach. In an grid down type survival scenario thing's just aren't going to be as cozy cushy comfortable as what we are used to. But with ideas such as your cob rocket stove and water heater shower we can definitely have a little more comfort than going down to the cold creek to wash up everyday in a shtf situation.
Instead of using a 45 degree connector off of the tank have you considered a ninety degree connector so you have complete drainage of the pipe with minimal measuring and tweaking?
Baron, I think that’s a great suggestion. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for watching.
I really like the direct conduction you have going with the coil in the chamber, I feel like you could further expand on the other viewers suggestion, to not use perlite in that area, by using a metal pipe of some sort to wrap around the outside of your coil. You could then pack the gap here with a conductive cob, possibly with metal shavings or another conductor. You could make this piped in heat exchanger section larger than your coil and reap the benefits of higher thermal efficiency without the cost of more copper piping. You could further aid the exchanger by using another metal pipe as the inner diameter of the exchanger section of the burn chamber (if creating an exchanger larger than one's coil). Not an engineer by any means so call me out of this is totally wrong.
Good ideas Sean. I’m no engineer either, so you’re in good company. Thanks for watching.
Sean, I agree totally with what you have posited, I would also personally want to add something like sheet metal on the inside of the copper coil. Not only to add thermal transfer (if you get side tracked like green shorts did and the fire goes out, you have some heat from the sheet metal to help maintain. Plus if he lost the updraft and cold air came in, wouldn’t that make the copper fragile over time?) but to protect the coil. I would want to encase my copper coils in something equally protective and conductive. If the inside of that copper coil is continually exposed to high heat (the flames are 2 feet above the chimney), the copper will become fragile, leak and break in a short period of time! At work i deal with various types of tubing, including copper. Our copper tubing is run through heavy magnets (biggest ones are 6500lbs) for cooling. We have copper fail on the inside of the magnets because of prolonged heat exposure, we started wrapping them in this non-conductive material to protect them but only after the copper has failed internally to the magnet. Also, I just personally repaired an input copper flag over the last 3 days. We require DI water, but only get Chill water from the hospital. So we deal with the friction of the cold water full of minerals ‘sand papering’ the inside walls, 24-7. The copper literally just crumbles.
I understand that I am dealing with some of the extremes of copper, compared to Green Shorts, but science still applies. Protect the inner walls of the copper tubing, ESPECIALLY where there may have been a “little kink in the tubing that was fixed”. That may flow water normally without restrictions, but you have created a stress spot in the tubing and direct heat (ESPECIALLY FIRE!) will be the first place that copper tubing separates. Damn, I was tryin to be short.
I would think a much larger storage area would be needed with cold water feeding directly through the stove, and another line to cool the heated water down a bit. Only a thought. Thank you for the video!! Blessings!
Hi Mary. I agree with your assessment. Watch the third video in this series. I expand the tank like you are suggesting. And add pressure. Thanks for watching.
Thank you. I may be moving to an off grid homestead and I have not seen a rocket stove built, which was so interesting to me!! I would love to see how to make an outside Cobb oven!!
Blessings!!
Mary, I’ve done a cob bread oven video. Look for the “Full Build” in the title. Also suggest you look into a Rocket Mass Heater to heat your home. It uses rocket stove combined with a barrel to divert the exhaust down and through a mass to absorb and radiate the heat slowly. An 1000 degree stove burn will only exhaust 150-200 degrees out the chimney. A 2-hour burn can heat the house all day. You may be able to route your water heating through the same system.
Thank you! I watched the 3rd video, I was thinking of gravity fed water flow from buckets vs. pressurized water. I wonder if the stove can heat water fast enough to keep your storage tubes full, to take a full shower. Thank you for your responses and videos, and I will look for the oven video. The rocket stove is definitely a solid option for heating my future dwelling, since commercial stoves do burn alot of wood, though they are building mostly for pelleted fuel, which I am not interested in!! The prospect of using wood that I harvest, and using much smaller amounts due to these stoves efficiency is exciting to me!!
Thank you so very much!! Blessings!!
Oh, I just ordered last night the book on building rocket mass stoves, then your video popped up!!
My LORD works to keep my life on HIS tracks, waiting for HIS path to become obvious is so hard at times, but this is working better than me charging ahead with my plans and HE can fit in as my aide!!
Blessings in abundance!!
can we use this stove to heat a small swimming pool ?
Yes. I think will work fine. Maybe a longer copper coil for more water. Thanks for watching.
That's great, can have the tank on top of a van roof and have the rest stored in a tub until you need to hook and use.
Great idea for application. Perhaps a different rocket stove instead of the cobb...aircrete would be a perfect option for lightness and rigidity...but your concept would work great. Thanks for watching, WLG. :-)
Man great job! I've been following this project since you started it,I love stuff like this! I live in Nashville but grew up in Norcross,so it's good to know there's still a few good ole boys down there lol. Great work brother!
Thank you, Ryan. Thank you for watching.
Next best thing after playing with fire, playing with water :D
i agree
Ha! True. And then there’s playing with mud. This project touches on all three. Thanks for watching.
I think it would be cool if you found a way to insulate the tank so it would hold its heat for a longer period of time, in this situation it might not be necessary but I think it would be something to try. Thanks have a great Saturday!
Good suggestion Hunter. I plan to use the water immediately in most cases, but insulation would also make the whole thing more efficient. Thanks for watching.
How about a system that heats with wood and then runs the hot water inside the house to the indoor water heater. Thereby reducing the energy cost ( I have to use propane) to provide hot water.
you should run it into an old water heater like I did. Keeps it warm for a long time. Hook your w/h drain outlet onto a 12volt rv pump, and from the pump to a shower wand. instant pressurized hot water. you just have to release the pop off valve when draining, to allow air in while draining.
Hey cool set up swap out the black iron pipe with schedule 80 pvc and glue both sides that are getting glued not just one you with end up with problems... good luck and happy building
Thanks Lanny. Yes the back pipe will go. :-) Thanks for the tips and thanks for watching.
Yes keep it up I sure hope it worked out well I seen a similar system done on top of a van pressurized and it was cool.... your system is something I’m gonna try out.....Cheers
in a standard shower, there are two source water lines in order to help control the water temperature. In this scenario, one could easily heat the water to a very dangerous level. Can you add a cold water tank and then a similar valve for a standard shower (or any way to adjust the flow of each temp). Just trying to think of safety and scald prevention. Rocket stoves can produce intense heat and if not closely monitored the tank could easily get close to boiling temps since it has a relatively small capacity.
Yeah. I was (am) concerned about the water getting too hot. My first test with the bucket did get too hot to dip my hand it. I like the idea of a mixing valve like a regular shower. Thanks for the idea. Thanks for watching.
Hi. THis might be a better comment on the first vid, but I'm here now :)
For a rocket system on all the mass heaters I have seen online they are takign the heat out at the top instead of in the middle. Was having the heat coil in the middle because it was easier to build? Putting the coil at the top would let you get all the heat from the flame you had in the chimney too ?
It's great to see how you experiment and tinker with these things.
Pressurizing the tank will also mean that your flow rate for the shower will be higher so your showers will not last as long. Unless of course you only pressurize during heating. I like these videos of developing ideas and tinkering to make them work better. I just subscribed.
Good feedback, Jelle. I’m having fun with the build and tweak series as well. Thanks for watching
I love your channel bro. Good video like always. You da man
Awesome ! Estimate cost of material ?
I’d guess there are $60 in materials. The copper coil being the largest cost. Thank you for watching.
It's brilliant ingenuity . . . how you re-imagine, and re-invent . . . great project let you know how we do . . .
A more efficient way of fueling is to have a vertical feed box with a horizontal chimney. Long 4x4's or similar wood cuttings are fed into the feed box so the fire feeds itself. The heat is forced horizonally over the coils and out a stove pipe.
Pressure due to gravity is a function of how high the tank is above the showerhead. You can get A LOT more pressure without using pumps or a pressurized tank by simply raising the tank and running a pipe down to the showerhead.
Good suggestion Brian. Thanks for the tip.
Good job! That is a proof of concept. Again good job.
Thank you, John. Thanks for watching.
I'm thinking a better valve to use would be a brass one with a faucet handle or a lever handle. Those plastic ball valve ones are very stiff and difficult to use.
Agree. It was a little difficult to turn. I need to look at some alternatives to the valves. I had that one on hand, so I used it. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY You`re welcome, I will be watching regularly.
I was thinking about using a ice chest for a tank.
I'm telling you from experience that there is nothing like a HOT shower somewhere that it's really cold. The last time I had anything of the sort was when I opened the bathroom window (a full-sized window) in the middle of winter while taking a shower. The bathroom became a cloud chamber. Probably not great for moisture control, but an outside shower might just do the trick.
I hear you on that, Mark. I’ll have to give it a try this winter. :-) Thank you for watching.
No primer before adhesive?
Yeah. I should have used primer. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
I think the top hose should be the cold water hose and the bottom one be the hot water. As the water is flowing downward towards the heat and will heat up faster. Most of the heat is at the bottom.
why not use a big copper cyilinder on top of the rocket stove with the hot and cold feeds to your shower, add in the cold feed in a 12v pump
I like that idea, John. You suggesting a second coil, right. Or something different? Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY like a copper hotwater cylinder , so it act as a back bboiler but on top. but even on your version, a 12v pump on it would circulate the water faster
Hey John Jones make a video on this please!!
Definitely going to need the line water supply to produce pressure with the current setup, since a horizontal reservoir tank means there's going to be nada as far as head pressure is concerned. Barely going to trickle. Reservoir also needs to be well above the tap that drains from it unless there's some other source of pressure like a pump. Might not be a bad idea to repurpose one of those 5 gallon beverage cooler barrels as your reservoir, since those should be common enough and they'll be insulated to some amount.
I agree the pressure line will help. It did actually have a better flow than I thought it would. I like your idea for the reservoir. Thanks for watching.
Pressure due to gravity is a function of how high the tank is above the showerhead. You can get A LOT more pressure without using pumps or a pressurized tank by simply raising the tank and running a pipe down to the showerhead.
If you're planning to install the pipes outdoors permanently, you should consider spray painting them black. They then will warm up throughout the day because of the energy of the sunlight, in summer that should be already enough, and you won't even need any further energy to have a warm shower.
best wishes from germany ;)
Ich mag diese Idee. Außerdem denke ich, dass die schwarze Farbe es weniger krass machen würde. Danke fürs Zuschauen, mein Freund.
Something to consider, a vertically oriented water tank will generate better pressure that a horizontal tank of the same volume...
Thanks for the feedback, Rick. I did orient the tank vertically in the follow up video. Added hose pressure too. Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY Ahh, I didn't catch the third installment...lol
I've been thinking of something similar, but portable, to take along on camping trips...
Maybe if you added 3 undersized baffles (dampners) to the center of the stove chamber it might direct the flame out to the pipe coil. If the flame chamber is 5" in diameter, add three 2 or 3" baffles (like a dampner). The flame would still go up but maybe direct some BTUs to the outside coil. Also, water pressure would increase if the tank was vertical and higher. Or, if the coils were not embedded in the clay, but out in the flame they would absorb more heat. Just a thought.
Good thoughts, Angel. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for watching.
There is a guy on utube on camper van Kevin site and it is showing us how to make a shower that u only need 1 gallon of water and u can take a shower for a hour with it.
I have an idea, you should make a Galvanized metal water tank and paint it with heat resistant paint and put it on top of the chimny to benifet of the raised flames beside of the copper coil
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Hi Ahmed. I like that idea. I’ve got a metal bucket in mind that might work well. Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks for watching. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Maybe abs pipe is more durable mabe less available with other fittings. Sun would degrade that pvc. And if it drops pvc breaks and cracks easily.
Standard water heaters are hot water heaters - it's what they do 90% of the time. They heat already hot water!
I know that's your prototype but if your going to heat the water then shut down the stove, you'll need to insulate the tank and pipes. You're definitely losing heat without insulation. so it will increase efficiency either way.
That is an excellent point, Phylis. :-) Thank you for your suggestions as well. I plan to use the water right away, but insulation would be a good addition regardless. Thank you for watching.
Primerless glue?
Yeah. I wasn't as concerned about the joints given that this tank wouldn't be under pressure. But, when I build a pressurized version of this tank, I'll definitely be using primer. Thanks for the feedback.
@@GreenShortzDIY I wasn't sure if there was a new product or not lol. I'm glad it worked out for you, I want to try this with my mini water tower :)
you most likely have a large air space at the top of your tank, your inlet should be at the top of the tank but you can probably just lift that end until its higher . Maybe check out the car top showers with an inlet at one end and the outlet at the other, many have a Schrader/tire valve. so you can pressurize the tank. If you use black abs or paint the tank black it will be plenty hot with just the Ga sun in warmer weather
Thanks for the feedback, Doc. I agree with your air gap concern. Ultimately I think I’ll be making the tank vertical. I was thinking about using my air compressor to add pressure to the tank. Thanks for sharing your ideas. Thanks for watching.
Great project.
Thank you friend. Thanks for watching.
You can get a plastic pipe in the lawn watering section.
Thanks for the tip. I am rebuilding the tank and found the small section of pipe you recommended right where you said it would be. :-) Thanks for watching.
no primer?
My thought was that a no-pressure system would be ok without primer + glue joints. I do think I’ll bring pressure to this system, so that may come back to bite me. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
This will work a lot better with a significant difference in the height of the cold outlet and hot inlet on the tank. Without this there is not enough of the thermosyphon effect. So the tank can only work if it an upright version. This is why it isnt working well - nothing to do with the Rocket Stove setup - which is fine
Thanks for the feedback, Steve. I thought about a vertical setup as well. I’ll give that a try in my next iteration. Thanks for watching.
But the higher the difference the more stratification of the water. If you do go for the pressurised system i would put an elbow on the end which drops down to the feed so the cold water sits lower while having the shower. In current setup cold water will cool the warmed water straight away
You are amazing 😍😍😍
Thanks for watching. Thanks for the encouragement.
@@GreenShortzDIY keep it up and more videos ♥️♥️♥️
thnks for a groovy video......
I always strive for groovy. So, your’s is the highest praise. :-) Thanks for grooving with me.
awesome ..
Thanks for watching.
Take in account when attaching the garden hose (pressure) it will push the warmed water out quicker, thus requiring larger storage capacity to maintain desired time usage. To calculate storage capacity & time (usage duration) for garden hose pressured, simple time & fill a 5gal. bucket (With shower head & valve)(wide open or set setting). Example = 5gal. took 5min. to fill and you want 10min. shower, which = 10gal. storage capacity required..... Note: If your going to add pressure you will need to change your storage design.... Cold must disperse inside storage container at the bottom while the hot exits at the top.... Food for thought.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, Davy. Good insights here. I will definitely take them into consideration as I modify this outdoor shower set up. Thanks for watching.
It would not look as nice but would be easier to build and likely work a little better to get rid of the center tap, install on a slant, and just connect cold return and shower head to the low end and hot return to the high end. Coming out of the low end with a 90, you can still connect the cold return and shower head oriented perpendicular to the ground. Alternately you could orient the tank vertically, would have pressure for the first half of the shower and improve the thermal siphon. It’s getting large enough that if you go for a larger tank, you may want to choose more diameter vs. length.
Ian, ultimately I agree that the tank will need to go vertical. My choice to go horizontal was more to do with mixing hit and cold water, and easy filling. It also worked with the space I had. But you’ve given me an idea on perhaps converting my big chimney pipe stove into a water heater and use your slant idea. Thanks for the feedback and for watching.
Another great video!..
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Love it!
Thanks for watching Diana. :-)
Gave me an idea thanks.
Glad to help, Dale. Thanks for watching.
you used the shifter upside down
You say it worked to a degree? From what I saw it was to 100° :D
Ha! True. Thanks for watching.
Some collective consciousness going on here. You posted part 1 of this video and I had just finished building a tub frame in my backyard, all in the attempt to make a wood-fired hot tub using a cob rocket stove as the water heater. I am planning on having pot holders on top of the chimney for heating water or cooking as you mentioned.
I thoroughly enjoy your videos and your relaxed nature. I’m also very envious of your CLAY! You’re blessed!
I built this MINI cob oven a couple years back:
www.instructables.com/id/MINI-WOOD-FIRED-EARTH-OVEN/
Mark, your oven looks amazing! You will definitely need to scale up my mini rocket stove water heater for a hot tub application. That sounds amazing. I love the idea of having your snacks cooking on the top. Nice! Thanks for watching and the encouragement.
I like working with PVC
I'm with you. For it's simplicity, it is an amazing product and a great use for plastic. It sometimes gets demonized, but if used properly and disposed of properly, it's a great building material. Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY I've used it to developed film in bulk.Been a sports photographer for 45 years I'm 60 and like when people use great imagination to make things better.
PVC works great and it's easy to work with.
awesome
Thanks for watching, Ricardo.
Wonder why YT machine doesn’t show part 1 in the line up of next videos. Oh well
That is a good question. I’ll add a card for part 1. Thanks for letting me know. Thanks for watching.
when we camp we use an outdoor shower in 20 degree weather. 50 would be great.
That’s brave. I think I’d skip the shower in the 20s. Ha. But, I see your point, 50 degrees would be plenty warm for a camping shower. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
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Black steel pipe is not water pipe; it'll rust.
Thanks for the tip, Jim. I’ll likely switch to a PVC segment when I shorten that section. Thanks for watching.
Bro your clever but that pvc no. Get an old tank ideally an old electric go directly to that as will have pressure gauge. You must have a pressure release. Must . Elevate it or use pump. Possibly 100% free hot water. I been doing it for years. Too easy
Thanks for the feedback, Col. your metal tank is a good idea. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for watching.
👍🏻I enjoyed the video
You had it right, it is a hot water heater, so who told you differently is wrong. When you get a hot water heater for your home, you wouldn't go to Home Depot, Lowe's or Somerville Plumbing Co. and say you need a water heater, you would ask for a hot water heater or a hot water tank, which is all a technicality, but they are all the same thing, except for a boiler.
Frankenstein project !🧟♂️
Just grab an old cast iron tub, through it on the lawn, fill it with water and light a fire under it. You could be like bugs bunny. jk
I'd need some carrots to go with that. One to eat and the rest to go in the water with me. :-)
Just boil the water mix in the normal water and take shower..
Also, I don't think regular pvc is proper for hot water. You should have used red pex or copper
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Yeah. This is not a normal use for this type of pipe. It is also not rated for pressure. I think it should function ok for this application. Of course, in this outdoor application, a few drips won’t be the end of the world. :-) Thanks for watching.
Not being a dick here, but this is a normal stove. From my knowledge, rocket stove has an afterburner where gases burn completely so is way more complex. It would be interesting to see it made small scale from cob and brick and it shouldn't take that much more space.
Ha. True. I do plan to make a full-fledged rocket stove at some point soon. Thanks for watching.
I like your green ideas, still you use a lot of plastic in your projects! For my part I would try to avoid buying at big stores and look for materials that can be recycled.
Thanks for the feedback. I agree on your focus on reusing materials. My take on plastic is that it is a great building material for permanent uses, versus single use or disposable. That said, PVC is a Redlist item for the Living Building certification. I’ll agree that a more natural material is always better, just maybe harder to find. Thanks for watching.
11:30 to see fire
:-) it’s good to know when the fires starts. Thanks for watching.
I know of a far better water heater that works on a rocket stove and heats 50 Letres aka 12.5 gallons to 80°C aka 176°F with less than a dozen sticks that are 3/4 inch round and less than a foot long
Thanks for your input. This rocket water heater was a little undersized since it was a proof of concept. Thanks for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY another thing that particular helps with heating the water is to not use thermal siphon and to actually pump the water backwards to that of the thermal siphon
Coming along nicely Tom! 😃👍🏻🚀🔥💦🚿👊🏻
Thanks for the encouragement Fred, as always. 👍🏻👊🏻😎
When you dry assemble any job mark off the parts (With a pencil HB is best I think) that you are going to fit,
that way ,.you Don'thave to say , Its Good enough , have it perfect
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Waar wil je een rapport over? Ik antwoord graag. Bedankt voor het kijken. :-)
Nice project, but all that plastic? Not very green at all. I hate being negative, but we all need to do more if our children want to inherit a planet as we found it.
Don’t think of it as negative. You are pointing out a real concern. I don’t disagree. I need to try one of these out of steel. Thank you for watching.
Too complicated. You can just boil water in a pot, throw it in drum of cold water and use a dipper to take a bath... done.
Ha. Well that’s true. :-) But, I like making the unusual and experimental (and over complicated). It’s about the journey. And often I’ll simplify later. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.
South Korea
Typical American is complicating things which are very simple. Water pump 12 V give you some pressure and heat 10 gal of water the military style is fast and you don't need rocketstove ( insert to water metal pipe like U and heat with large size propane torch) Perfect also for camping. To check temp. of water you don't need scale of F just submerge hand )Your project looks more "scientific".
Ha. I can appreciate your solution. My angle is usually experimental, which usually starts out complicated and then simplifies. I often start with a rocket stove as a base, creating energy with found fuel. Thanks for watching.
Simpler would be to buy a tankless water heater which uses propane.
Ha. True. But I never promised simple. :-) Thanks for watching.
Still needs power. Wood doesn't
What’s going on here I’m seeing Turkish and some Asian language. Who are you?
I like saying hello in other languages. TH-cam unites the world. :-) Thank you for watching.
@@GreenShortzDIY me too I can say hello in English Spanish Japanese French Turkish Irish Farsi I think I’m out of language languages
you're not using primer, its going to fall apart. Use primer, this guy has no idea. Know what you are doing before you make a video
I can’t argue with the importance of using primer. I didn’t glue portions of the tank because I plan to take it apart in the next video. Thanks for the feedback. Thanks for watching.