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The Phantom Ship map is so funny to me because it feels so strange compred to the large majority of FE8 maps. It has actually decently strong enemies hidden in fog, it features strong reinforcements that will likely catch you off guard and you can't even low man the map reliably a lot of the time, because you might struggle to reach the other ship before L'Arachel dies.
It feels like an FE6 map in its design and I can't help but respect the sudden huge difficulty spike.
Agreed, I love it for that spike
Technically, village of silence is peak map design because most of the map is peak tiles.
i genuinely really like this map actually bc it makes for a pretty challenging and interesting efficient run
It's funny since the "Not Peak" text for village of silence in the thumbnail is even over some peaks so I thought this was some April's Fools joke
Some shops have different items in them during the chapter and after. Most notably the nosferatu tome cannot be bought from the world map shops but the Chapter 17 shop sells them when you are playing the chapter.
Perhaps even more notably are the reaver weapons in that same map if i recall
Chapter 4 is the first time the game introduces you to the HIGHLY threatening monster enemies such as Revenants that get 1v1'd by Ross and 100 exp bomb Entombeds
Revenants that get 2HKOd by 0AS steel axe level 1 Ross and cannot double him.
(although to be fair ... steel axe Ross actually has pretty respectable attack)
Mekkah really forgot thracia when talking about games with rescue I can’t I’m going to cry in my pillow rn
actually i was trying to think of games with tutorials and thracia has 0 of those
@@Mekkkah smh not counting the tutorial VHS
It also has kidnapping too
5x is mostly a story map, but it does introduce the concepts of lords being good, vulnerary/elixer management (it's the first real map without a healer), and OP weapons. Also that you can keep winning even if most of your army is lost.
I hope this "series" continues, I would love to see how all the FE games compare.
One time in a draft run I fed Forde literally every kill on 5x and ever since it's become a horrible habit every time i've played FE8 since
To prove how bad 12 Eirika is, I showed Village of Silence's map to someone who has never played FE8 before and asked if that sounded fun to him. His immediate response was 'Not in the slightest.' Jumpy23 was right, no one likes 12 Eirika.
It's by far the worst in the game, it's like 5x, but 3 times longer.
I missed cormag in the canyon map because Seth just walked right with a javelin and basically soloed the map.
Mekkah, can you fix them? (= Make them all A-tier or better)
It might make for a fun video to try and fix those maps.
Wait I love this idea
that *is* a fun idea
I love hearing you breakdown maps like this would love it for some of the other games.
By no means do I love 5x, but I think that the concept is very cool. It's you, three other units (two if you don't want to waste EXP on Orson, one if you're also Mekkah) and a whole bunch of enemies. I've seen a lot of players and romhacks "fix" the map by making one of the walls breakable so you can skip the giant loop, which generally helps make it more fun imo
I actually really enjoy 5x because of the story elements. Even if the map design isn't great, there's just something about storming a castle with only 4 men that makes you feel like an absolute chad.
I actually quite like the ephraim chapter, the game tells you h3y we have limited supplies and have to eke our way thru this mission, and it rly feels like it. I like the managing your super limited heals and trading around the weapons. I like when the games kinda forcibly say, here's your limited team that will always be the same challenge for this one chapter. RD also has a couple maps like this that I rly enjoy too, like the brom Nephenee chapter for instance
I agree with all your map rankings, didn't expect that but I guess it's just SS being uncontroversial as usual.
I get what you're saying with the Ch 15 take but like can we be real here? It's unknowable rng-based treasure tiles you have to look up ahead of time to get some of your best items in the entire game; that's just really scuffed game design
It's a bit better in FE7 where you know they're always near bones but yeah it's a bit scuffed. I did say I was rating them from the perspective of an experienced player though!
@@Mekkkah yeah but even though I’ve beat this game at least 6 times, scorched sands shows up and it’s always like “ah fuck my life time to pull up serenesforest again”
my main issue with that map is that it includes a non-trivial amount of inherent RNG. 2 berserkers that have crit chances against most units (and while you get the hopplon guard there, you have to beat a very dodgy boss on the other side of the map for it). Valter has a spear that also has non-trivial crit rates. Caellach is friggin impossible to hit sometimes. Getting the items is, for most characters, also based on RNG. And then there is this disproportional "blob" of enemies at the bottom that can be tricky to dismantle without facing CoDs at least once.
Also, the dude that can reach Knoll when he gets the master seal has a crit chance against him. #unplayable
@@IschmarVI I don't like RNG either especially in long maps, but I don't entirely agree with this complaint. I agree the bosses are a bit hard to hit and sometimes they have low% crit on you. But Duessel on a fort pretty much can't die to the bottom group, and he's always available regardless of route. The items are RNG, but if you miss you can try again next turn at no real cost, so unless you're doing a challenge run it doesn't impact your run much at all. And the Master Seal enemy...idk maybe don't have the 0 luck unit grab the Master Seal on turn 1 then, this seems like a strategy issue more than a map design one. Literally have anyone else do it.
heck yeah been hoping for this since the FE6 one. Thanks mekkah
I really hope these continue. I’m guessing FE7 might be next? Whatever game you end up tiering will be a fun watch!
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5x is a D Tier because Forde is force deployed
I love ALL Mekkah videos!!!! ❤
Does the gameplay footage that you put on came from your fe8 lunatic mode?
yep
5:20 I've been working on an FE8 hack for a bit that changes this fighter to a swordmaster who drops a killing edge. Made sure Forde and Orson are the only ones who can use it at that point. Kill two birds with one stone
Also: yes please more tier lists, love the map tier list idea but I'm a sucker for any tier list content haha
Loved FE8 when I played through it as a kid, and playing through it again now I'm still a huge fan, but I hear a lot of vitriol towards it online. Is it just because you can solo seth stomp the whole thing on vanilla difficulties?
Mostly just cuz it's easy even without Seth, but a lot of people still regard it highly despite that
The D is for the desert map
Obligatory "How could you rate Ephraim 9 low? This is the map of the great Gheb." comment.^^
Selena map is essentially FE6 14x with villages so it's one tier higher. I guess that makes sense
nah how? your units can't get stuck forever, Selena is only one Bolting not two, Gerik and Tethys make things different.
@@Mekkkah It's not the same chapter obviously. The idea is pretty much identical and the implementation is a tier better. I guess you mean that also starting on the right side makes it more unique?
I forgot about chapter 12 for Ephraim. Doesn’t particularly stand out. Erika 12 stands out more by just being annoying.
Doesn't chapter 7 introduce ballista? The boss even mentions it
I feel like lots of people dread 5x. It's a very boring map, I just always use Orson to get it over wtih quicker.
anything with an arena is peak
D for forDe
Does Mekkah hate any unit more than Forde?
Probley just Ronan.
@@funnynamehere1261 What do you mean he loves ronan
@@hajoeijgenraam295 got you
I hate 5x too but i think it teaches new players that you cant hoard elixirs etc.
Nice
I don't disagree with most of your points although I would put most maps a tier higher
This is my opinion *enter opinion here* I didn’t watch the video at all, I’m just sharing this. (Hi 44:00 :) )
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Did I miss something or did you just skip FE7 lol
I was gonna do FE7 but with FE7 Ranked already on-going I figured FE8 would be better
@@Mekkkah that makes sense, are you then going to take the ranks into account when you eventually get to the FE7 map tier list lol
@@Mekkkah I personally think there are a lot of annoying maps in fe7 so i'm curious for that ranking
@@scalarmotion I might mention ranks if I remember but since most people don't play ranked I don't think it makes sense to
chapter 5x SUCKS
Since its fe8 all maps go down 2 teirs