War Thunder's Toxicity Problem
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ก.ย. 2024
- After playing War Thunder for so long, the constant infighting within the community is starting to stand out now more than ever. Some of it can be blamed on Gaijin, but players have a choice in how they act, both in-game and otherwise.
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What’s Spookston’s flair?
Am I the only one who saw it as "I just wanna girl"? Lol jk
But spookston, I cant help getting mad when some Russian late cold war fighter jet uses an modern air to air missile on my 7.0 flying dorito
Man I sure do love grilling. I sure do hope nobody brings up anything controversal at the BBQ.
What makes it worse, is that Gaijin adresses toxicity, by claiming that cursing will increase the ESRB rating, when games like Fortnite are still Teen rated, with the most toxic communities ever.
So despite having a much higher ESRB rating, they refuse to put swastikas in the game? Even for Finland?
I got chat banned for being toxic. I have gladly served the f2p community.
@@irinashidou9524 its not because of the rating, some countries (like germany) ban swastikas from video games.
@@irinashidou9524 Some countries don't believe in historical accuracy, and remember that Gaijin is Russian...
Well i think swasticas are baneed in all games now, i play DCS, and the swasticas are modified in the german planes, its just a thing now with teens, they get offended and suffer from panic attacks pretty easy
As a former League of Legends and RB6 Siege player, War Thunder's toxicity is at such low level in comparison that it doesn't even register to me.
Yeah If you ask me it's not even a problem, I've played for 3 years now and never received a death threat once, or been targeted once. In games like RB6 people actively abuse and TK you just because you have bad aim.
Yeah, I don't get what people are talking about regarding toxicity in War Thunder. I mean sure, you get fan mail every once in a while, but other than that, nothing. Compared to League where you will get flamed almost every game, both from your teammates and the enemy team...
Playing it since Planes came first out, never even noticed that something like this exists in war thunder.Or maybe again one of these topics creat a problem where before was none?
I rembemer when people TK me with no reason and I get my revenge with a C4.
I would say it's more about the subreddit. That place is toxic af
Meanwhile in ground arcade:
"Good luck bois"
"Yes"
"I agree"
"Attack the D point"
" attack enemy troops"
"No"
Attack The D Point.
@@theilluminatedone9214 I refuse!
Cover me! I need cover!
I think part of the problem is that the tryhards congregate in Realistic Battles mode, and tanks seem to attract most of those.
@@kyleheins Not many people like flying a single plane and dying to a P-51 mustang in Air RB :P at least in Ground RB you can use all of your crews if you play okay and dont die instantly in every engagement.
Gaijin breeds toxicity because they themselves are toxic. From their interaction with the player base through their mod teams to the op premiums they launch causing grief.
And what's wrong with our mod team?
@@rickpilhorn One mod who I will not name out of genuine concern out of retaliation is a total douche to players, and treats any criticism of the developers or game as a reason to ban. Last time he banned me, it was for asking how such a buggy patch had been released and not fixed after a week. No personal attacks on anyone, no swearing, just bewilderment at the state of the game.
My favorite statement from him is that the game is f2p so its free of criticism. Meanwhile my game still tells me my 1 year premium account has expired, 4 years after it expired each time I login, and asks for money to renew.
@@Quadrenaro Every mod answers to someone. If you have a complaint about how you were treated then PM his boss. But something I've learned from being a senior moderator for so long is that everyone is innocent, until we look up what was actually said. And every ban comes with the rule(s) that was violated. Good luck.
@@rickpilhorn Yeah, this guys behavior is extremely obvious. If he's not been dealt with after all these years, with all the memes about him, I don't think me saying anything will help.
Edit: Once in a match, I was trash talking the dev team after the broke the Me163's ground spawn again (The thing spawned half in the ground and instant killed the pilot). About an hour later, I get a message from this mod and in a pretty unprofessional manner, he eluded to how I was lucky he's not banning me for disrespecting the devs, like they were some sort of god like beings. Seriously, it was like something out of the soviet union.
Edit2: Actually in 2015 or 16, I did message a mod about some abuse. He basically said stfu, and when I followed up a month later, I was chat banned.
@@Quadrenaro Remember back in like 2013 when the CEO OF GAIJIN went onto the forum and created a poll asking the players of they supported us of DMCA takedowns on TH-cam as a way to muzzle content creators who criticized the game? Forget that fact that doing so is *illegal* and draconian. Shit talking their game isn't allowed. I made a support ticket one because I unlocked the P-80A and in stock form, on RB, I spawned on the runway too close to the end to gain enough speed to take off (runway ended in a cliff, with a like a 10ft drop into trees that I couldn't clear, then a big drop into the sea). There was like 400 more feet of runway behind the spawn point, and I played like 30 matches and got that map like 12 times. They pretty much said to me, "Yeah? What's your issue then? Turn around, taxi to the actual end of the runway, turn around again and take off, or else buy golden eagles to unlock the upgrades and take off." How about instead, I do neither. If I wanted unrealistic levels of suffering and grind, I'd have gone back to Eve Online.
Frustration is DIRECTLY tied to Toxicity. There is always Toxicity in everything. But when your experience depended entirely on random people it multiplies the problem.
Especially in a game that forces you to be on a team but punishes teamplay.
That’s why I pretty much only play war thunder in squads with people I know
@@naamadossantossilva4736 like every team game in existence. Then add in anonymity and tie rewards and progression to these randomly selected anonymous people you don't know's performance in this match. It's a recipe for everyone to hate everyone else in every game, it's nuts. Random matchmaking team-based games will always suck the fun out of you over time.
But in this regard, I've found War Thunder's community to react less to those inputs. Usually it's just attempts at helpful pings and a gramercy or two on assists. One in ten games someone gets frustrated (like myself occasionally) and calls out someone else. And that's it.
With the forced Aircraft in the GROUND realistic battles it's kinda inevitable for there to be a lot of frustration with the magical planes spinning around.
no amount of frustration can justify conscious actions like sending death threats and doxxing.
Getting chat banned is like a medal of honor. Everyone should experience it atleast once.
I've said some absurd things and never got chat banned in wt
I got banned and banned and banned over and over again
@@YamahaR12015 same
I once called a mod, who's name starts with w, a shit mod in general chat. That was a fun month.
@@westernspy517 did you say the gamer word?
WT Community: very toxic
Tarkov Community: hold my Desync.
the overlap in community members is surprisingly big
or csgo
Head, eyes
CS GO Community : Hold ma Beer
tarkov players really need to go outside more often ngl,its a really good game but its not fun when "xxxrussiangangsterxxx" is already level 50 and using a meta loadout while screaming slurs into the mic
"Hey, you playing Britain? Your mother must have dropped you as a child!"
- some other nation's main. 2021
:(((( that hits a little close to home mate
I played every nation so I could learn their weaknesses
As a britmain myself, I can say that you can't spell "cuck" without UK
TBF,if you are willing to put with the abuse brit mains get from Gaijin you must have some serious CNS problems.
What abuse from Gaijin? High repair cost?
My big issue is the rampant spawn camping, that is evidenced by there being entire clans dedicated to squading up for low tiers and climbing to 15000 feet and circling the map border to get above the other teams spawn to bounce them as they respawn. Also in ground battles when a team gets outpushed at the start of the match and finds the enemy surrounding their spawn zone just waiting for the respawn invulnerability to end to pick you off is completely unfair.
I see that second thing as not that bad, when a team gets stomped so hard that your entire team is able to just stare at their spawn the round is already over. Plus it gives you the chance to try for a multi kill, like with the M60 ontos, against the spawn campers. The first is alot worse since low tiers can't really counter that and may end up quitting the game entirely if they aren't invested in it.
yeah, I've seen this in the game and it's pathetic.
@@cookiecraze1310 I agree mostly but there are a few maps, such as that one castle where the spawners have no chance against enemies above and in cover.
Dude facts I am by no means what someone would call average at the game but when my team just gets stomped in the first five minutes of the match I just leave the match but at the same time the way I see it is that it is perfectly fine to be okay or bad at the game but please stay in the lower BR's don't bother going higher than that because you are just screwing the rest of the team wait for yourself to get better then move up in BR you will find that you will have a better time and you won't be wasting team slots either. This was meant to be read with the context of someone speaking calmly and me trying to be helpful and nice I myself am at 5.3 BR and for now I don't see myself going much higher for atleast the immediate short term future.
I wish they would make it basically impossible to spawn camp, by making spawn campers reaction speed limited. as in airplanes fly way slow and can't shoot, when they are in camping area and tanks can't shoot when too close to spawn, would be good to me.
Toxicity mainly comes from the fact that losing in WT has consequences compared to the more casual games, so you have more insensitive to be angry about dying.
Yeah, if it weren't for repair costs I think people would be a bit more chill.
I agree, games with the most toxic community are usually games that have some type of Ranking system, now WTH doesn't have that but it has the silver lion loss per tank + premium tanks even though most of them are average it makes people think they are better than free tanks hence the hate to the players who bought them
@@coltpiecemakeryeah, I think a large part of it is the repair costs. I have seen so many people sound soul drained after they lose 30k SL in a single match
The single spawn per vehicle mechanic is a big problem. You should be able to spawn as many times as the team's SP pool allows, like many other online games. You want to play a particular vehicle, you die a cheap death, you're pissed off and less likely to spawn in something worse.
thats a big thing actually, never thought about that. In ranked competitive games people get toxic because they're tilted and dont want to lose their rank. In WT ur not losing rank, but actual in game currency. and some times those loses can actually be pretty substantial, and a streak of bad games might even essentially lock you out of playing the time period you WANT to play forcing you to grind or become a gaijin paypig
One time i was having a hard time got killed 3 times and got in my last vehicle.
An underpowered SPAA.
When i encountered a t34 85 i stared at him pointing the gun at me, but he didn't took the shot and lefted me cap the point he was standing in.
At the end my team lost but at least I got happy after a hard time with this gesture by a generous man.
Lol happened to me once, I saw an attacker hitting ground targets and I decided I'd rather dogfight anyway so I left him to it and he turned and attacked me, generosity... not even once lol
Sometime being nice is fun 1 week ago i was in My potez631 on jungle map i criticaly damaged à f20 bomber one of his engine was highly damaged and he lost à part of his wing. All of his gunner were knocked out so i flew next to him at 60 70m wile swinging my wings during 30seconds . I had mercy for him and left him alive without finishing him.
Sadly he crashed in the water few time after, still was one of my most enjoyable moment in game with some Hans Stiegler and "ye old pub" Vibes.
I dont kill players in the cap that causes no threat to me, instead I wait till they cap then start blasting
Type 93 syndrome....killing them isnt really worth the shell cost as they cant even fight back. I have done so myself with an MI-4.....as an SPAA I gave them a free pass (then got distracted by an A4E Skyhawk) they got a couple of kills before their heli burned. I had murdered 2 Mi-24s beforehand
A week ago I had this Air RB match where it was down to 3 vs 3/4. After resupplying, I saw an enemy plane heading straight to my base, no doubt to drop some bombs on it. We pretty much were on the same altitude, but instead of gunning him down head-on, I chose to let him fly by me as I head to bomb their base myself. Then some jerk on the enemy team, not him, shot me down. GG.
“Players telling others they should end their lives” par for the course in ever game
Reminds me of someone wanting to commit suicide because their character wasn’t fat enough for the fandom
@@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 SCUM obesity meta got really intense I see.
@@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477 Steven universe moment.
ye it shouldn't be lol
Some should tho. At some point its not life anyways anymore lol
how to achieve maximum toxicity: be toxic until you get chat banned, then report 20 players a day but your report is just a hate message to gajin's support team
You don't have to be toxic to get chat banned
Just say the truth about covid
"They" don't want you to know the truth
@@zsoltkovacs827 who are "they"?
@@zsoltkovacs827 I fully agree.
@@a.p.6580 could be anyone really :P. my friend got banned yesterday for saying "who the fuck you think you are" to someone who said good luck. lol yes he cussed but should be banned for joking with someone. especially after wards said yea good luck.
Gaijin has ultimately created this environment, whether intentional or not, they have made the game to be incredibly incredibly frustrating, so you pay money in the hopes of relieving some of it. They also balance the game around player and vehicle statistics, so it ends up with an "Us VS Them" type scenario where mains of different countries argue over who ultimately has the worse players, and as a result who has the most OP vehicles. So when you combine this together, you have a playerbase that agrees on very little and is easily distracted, so when you make a change that fucks over 1 part of the playerbase, the remainder go "Yeah! Fuck you guys! Serves you right!" but then they go and make a similar change that fucks over another part of it people are now also going "Yeah! If I gotta deal with this shit, you should to!" and Gaijin have no intention of ever fixing this behavior, because it means we will never be able to unify and agree on an issue to get actual change made.
Expanding on this "us vs them" thing, it's really hard to even get a perspective on the other side because it takes so much grinding to get there. I started with US air and I used to think that the Bf 109 and Fw 190 were OP. Then I moved on to jets, and I thought the MiG-15, MiG-21, etc were OP.
Now, I've played all those vehicles, and I have a lot more experience than before, so I no longer hold those views, but most people aren't going to go to the effort to grind the other trees to see how they really perform. Heck, I don't really know for sure whether the JA37C or F-4EJ Kai are as OP as people say they are right now, simply because I don't have those vehicles and I don't have the time to grind out those vehicles.
This should be the top comment ngl. Ive reached top tier of every nation but Germany, (Sweden is literally a better Germany at top tier and owning RU/US CAS makes it p much not worth grinding.)
Gaijin makes HORRIBLE BR balance and Economic decisions for players making them more irritable. Thus resulting in more toxicity as everyone is in a heightened emotional state.
@@_ace_defective_ I remember when Gaijin said that 'something is always OP to someone else', and then remembered that the Yak 9 was nerfed THREE TIMES. Makes one think "Was it really 'balanced' before the nerfs if they changed it?". The allegations were centered around the nose cannon which was first a machine gun rpm, then slowed rate of fire, and then slowed even further.
I agree, Gaijin is to blame. I play other multiplayer games and their community are no where as toxic as War Thunder.
Divide and conquer, that's what Gaijin is doing with us.
@@SteelxWolf Idk. Isnt the Leo 6 the best?
"Sure if you beat someone at a duel, They might say something derogatory about your mother"
I didn't anticipated it, The way spookston say the line so casually with a straight voice just got me rolling 😂😂
I think what Spookston meant by “They might” is “they will”
At this point if my mother gets insulted online I just find it funny
I'm not going to deny, I've gotten pretty mad when I've died before, mostly because of the repair cost that follows, over powered vehicles at lower br like the r3, is also why I stopped playing for around 2 months.
Hey friend, do you have a moment to rage and scream about the Type 87 RCV having a wholly inappropriate BR? 🤣
the only thing that gets me mad in this game is the Berlin map, terrible maps in general, some are great some are unplayable, like Karelia when you get the "bottom" spawn
Atleast this shit doesn't happen in air rb. In props mainly, this shit is somewhat present in jets.
That's why I stick to 1.0 -6.0 and maybe even a few 7.0s if the vehicles seem pretty cool: lower teirs=fun teirs, personally anyway
@@JonathanWrightZA I did
At one point when I was playing war thunder I tried a strategy of: “be really nice to people” so if someone got a long range kill on me, I’d say “nice shot” if ppl were toxic to ea h other I’d say “guys this is just a game we play it cuz we like WT not cuz we hate each other “, that strategy was kind of fun.
How did it go for you?
I do that a lot too, just try to defuse situations. It definitely shifted the way my team behaved a few times, but it's tiring that you have to do it often. I still think Spookston is a bit sore, I bet he didnt spend much time in CSGO, Valorant, Apex or any small team-high interdependence shooter. The shit you get for not playing like is expected, while at the same time not getting any comms and facing another players bad play without being able to do something about it round after round is definitely the most soul draining experience in gaming I've ever had.
@@mekingtiger9095 typing mid battle was a bit of a hindrance on performance, but enjoying the game more i think overall helped performance maybe.
I found the best strategy is to be so act childish and toxic it becomes ridiculous so nobody takes you or the people responding to you seriously
@@TrojanHell banned from a discord for being bad at r6. we were in unranked.
I'm german and I started with the Soviet and Japanese tanks because they a unique in a way.
I also think that frustration is a big factor of toxicity.
Why doesn't anyone want to start with the New Zealand tech tree? Asking as a New Zeala...as an Australian.
@@rocketassistedgoat1079 bob semple shall rise again!
Im an American and I started with UK... Then swapped to Germany after getting to 1.3
I only play as Germany because how cool the tanks look
Yeah, but when are we going to get to video titled "War Thunder's Gaijin problem". The snail is the heart of all the problems with the game. Annoying monetization, frustrating gameplay, horribly managed dev team, and so many other things are entirely the fault of Gaijin and their harebrained decisionmaking.
There are at a good few devs under Gaijin who are genuinely passionate about War Thunder and want it to do well, but the absolute bleeding idiots managing them are squandering all that work for a quick profit.
At this point, I have no faith in Gaijin to ever make a correct decision in the future. My only hope is that the few passionate devs leave and make their own game.
Oh yeah I want a game like WT but without all it's cons
@@robertharris6092 it is truly ridiculous, I have ran tracked equipment most of my life and can say Gaijin lies.
@@robertharris6092 I'm glad I'm not the only one that is still pissed about that!! I stopped playing for a month or two because it was just so frustrating I admit i found some map exploits and was getting so bored with having the same damn maps every game I used them. But nothing was so overpowered I never got killed and dominated everything. and all those exploits except the bridge on Ash river have been blocked.
@@HowIsAsh They got removed like an update afterwards some in the same update. At least the map exploited spots . If you are referring to spots like sniper mountain on Ash river that’s Gajin approved and intended. Map exploits like the mountain over C in Japan, the cliff over looking the POW camp map , Another spot on Ash river you can only get to by going off map fast enough before death clock gets you. It’s been awhile can’t remember all them but you side climbed most them to get through a hole in the map barrier but all the holes have been filled.
Warthunder is an amazing concept, but due to crappy execution, it's on the worse side of average.
On that note about the “Tiger problem” what happens when 3-5 Jumbos rush your spawn covered from head to toe in bushes?
The constant uptiers would make anyone toxic.
It amazes me how content providers never really talk about it! I've had several matches the last two weeks where my entire team was 5.3 and under, against a ninety percent team of 6.3s. You can guess how that went. Gaijin "RaNk no matter, gimme SL
@@michaelstjohn6086 That's nothing ! before I quit playing that damn game my team lost 13 times in a row, in total we lost 15/20 games , Gaydjins can't balance teams if their life depended on it , once I even had 19 kills and 4 or 5 assists and still lost because my team was absolutely trash
@@michaelstjohn6086 have fun when you reach BR 7.7 or 8.3 where when fully uptiered you face modern vehicles with reactive/composite armor and 500mm of pen in your 1950s tractor.
@@WoofyMcDoodle I know, 11.0 in US and Germany
@@WoofyMcDoodle playing 7.7 Russia with tanks that have 205mm of pen that u can get at 5.3 - oh! A medium tank or heavier ! Kill me.
While the game overall has been a bit toxic, as a member of the skin making community for WT, I've found most of the people there are pretty cool (you still get a few Wehraboos annoyingly.) It's mostly those people I spend time playing the game with, and they've been pretty fun to hang out with.
💀💀 lmao that last part
*sad wehraboo noise*
For the love of God please don't tell me you are part of the anime weeb skin problem
@@ZackBadCompany1234 Nope, my tanks are all default design, the way they shud be, anime is my one interest, and War thunder is a seperate interest, i like to keep things seperated.
And ppl can design their tanks however they want, War Thunder is more to fun than realism, my dude, have some fun
@@elvisadika7458 I as long as you can turn off user created skin I really dont care how you paint ur tonk
When I started out playing war thunder I had a play I killed message me and he taught me a lot about the game and really helped me get better. We need more people like him in the game
I’m glad you got better, war thunder is like an addiction and I’m glad you walked away
@@Donkeymaster9000 i think he is saying that the guy he killed messaged him and helped get better at the game, not talk him into quitting lol
@@ArcadiaDesert bro it it took me 8 tries to understand what the fuck he wrote. He should be getting better at English class instead
Tbh, I actually don't share that experience. In my 4 years of playing War Thunder, I havent been confronted with as much toxicity as in other games. Of course there are some matches full of toxisity, but those are the exeption and I get them very rarely. So experiences ofc vary but I've been actually very happy with the low amount of toxicity, atleast in game.
same thing here, I play low tier at high tier and I have made many people laugh, getting killed by a zis 30 makes you laugh, and when I wreck 5 tanks in a 1.0 strv m/39
similiar here. for me, WT has the least toxic playerbase in PvP game I've ever played, and is 2nd only to warframe if we talk about all online games
have to agree, maybe one out of a hundred matches has a couple of toxic lads but most of the time nobody cares and the matches where people try to help each other outnumber the ones where people are openly toxic by a fairly high margin
Although you'll meet some toxicity in games, i'd say that the barrels of toxic goo are in the forums, fan groups or even social media comments
I have played war thunder for years now in the EU server and I can agree. In game there is little to no toxicity . For the last 4 - 5 years , i have only had one negative encounter when a person laughed at me for getting a low score with the jumbo , while it was still at 4.7 . I am a casual player so honestly I didn't care at all.
As someone who only plays the game, and does not engage with any of the forums. I can´t really say that i find alot toxic people in my games. I would say that people are nicer in War Thunder than in other games i play. Sure i do come across toxic people but it does not happen often. However i do not engage in forums and i would not be surprised if it is toxic.
It depends for me if people are being toxic or not, but by far the worst offender is 9.0-11.0 Air RB, especially when the A5C and J35 premiums got released
@@spacejamsham2440 i agree, that br bracket is more toxic than average
@@skyddad00 i gotta agree, the community in-game seems fine to me. Sometimes even a conversation can develop in the chat and most of the times when someone is toxic they get shut down pretty quickly even by their teammates
Maybe it's only on forums he is talking about, because I too see none of this. I actually think war thunder has one of the least toxic in game communities
It’s the forums. Idk if you were alive for the SOCOM reality show. But they took a bunch of the best SOCOM players in the world and put them through a mini buds. The show failed miserably. The players couldn’t even make it through the water aspect without dropping out. That’s the WT community as a whole. Mostly dudes that wish they served but didn’t. Living vicariously through an unrealistic video game. In the military we used to tell people who struggled. “Guess Call of Duty was a lie huh?” 😂😂😂 people in the community are top tier delusional.
Love when someone goes out of their way to send you an angry message after a game
It's very definitely in my way to do that lol. No trouble at all.
War thunder is especially frustrating. Death costs a lot, you usually get killed by someone you can't see, and you usually die in one shot. Watching helplessly as you burn out in your brand new tank is a horrible feeling. Gaijin has done absolutely nothing to combat this.
“Fair and balanced”
Yes they have, play arcade. You can see everyone there. A big part of war is about hiding unless you must move to capture something. You should expect nothing less than being killed by something you can't see in any game that tries to capture war in any realistic fashion. If you want every to take 4 or more hits to kill, play World of Tanks. I play War Thunder just because when I hit a tank that I should blow up in one hit... many times it does. Sounds more like you should change games instead of Gaijen changing their game for you.
@@MikeBrown-go1pcMature and very well put,some players seem to forget its a war game and good tactical use of the equipment we are supplied with is the name of the gamebe it sniping brawling or ambush even disruption
@@mrmadunit3923 @MikeBrown i think you misunderstand. Strategy is one thing, someone over 3 km out using ESP and ULQ to snipe at a range no visible shot is possible, thats fucked up.
To be fair realistic battle is meant to be ... realistic. A tank getting knocked out by a single hit from some unseen enemy is kinda how that works. This isn't World of Tanks. The bigger issues are the grind, the premium bullshit, etc.
>Complains about WT's Community toxicity
>Bashes Germany Main's whenever possible
That's cause most German Mains are the most toxic and utter cringe Nazis I've seen. Out of all the toxicity I've seen in WT chat it's almost always been from German players
@@uisce_ never once seen that, it's always the opposite
@@uisce_ Its rather the opposite
@@uisce_That’s just you buddy
Revenge bombing is just as toxic. A fix to revenge bombing would be the kill cam recording to start at the point where the shell entered the tank armor, not when it left the barrel of the enemy vehicle. This way, players wouldn't know exactly where the shot came from (they would only know the general direction based on the angle of the shell). Although yes, close range engagements would likely not change much, long range engagements would be much more bearable.
then you get the bushed up camper destroying an entire team because it cant be spotted
Somebody is fond of their camping spot I see.
@@mnf4973 Take your pick.
- Have your position revealed every time you get a kill, and get revenge bombed.
- Start attempting to time your movements and not drive out into the open, so snipers can't get you
I actually love getting into toxic lobbies.
I don't know why but just something about it make me happy
**Troll song intensifies**
Same. I'll get incredibly toxice simply because it's fun. It actually had me laugh with the enemy team a few times, now that I think about it.
I guess it's only toxic if you let it hurt you, or something.
Becuase the a**hole side of us feeds off of toxic people get tilted.
lol that's cause it's real drama. Everyone loves spectating irl drama cause you literally can't write it any better
It reminds me we still have freedom of speech in some areas, and its just funny sometimes
I'd like to add another reason. I oftentimes find myself playing, not to have fun, but to unlock a vehicle or modification, thus leading to stronger reactions when things do inevitably go wrong because I didn't stop playing when I was getting tired, frustrated, or bored.
I haven't had any of these encounters before and I've been playing for years. I joined a squadron and from there met some cool people from all over. But I do hear similar stories. Just got to keep going and mute the toxic. Happy hunting!
to see toxicity at its worse go into a Custom Battle
I actually had my first encounter with it yesterday. Bought the KA-50 for giggles, and took it into a Ground Assault Match. Mind you, I never play helis, and only bought this one because I think the KA-50 is interesting and wanted to play with it. Within a minute of the match starting some dude starts trying to flame all four Helis on the map because we weren't targeting the planes. Within seconds of this it degenerated from complaining that we weren't doing something that helps are not supposed to do (attack helicopters don't tangle with jets irl, so I don't either) to accusing myself and another player if being pay to win fags because I only brought my KA-50 and my Squadron T80, and the other guy only had an XM-1 and the YAH-64. I won't claim I was doing well, because I wasn't. I spent the first minute on the ground trying to figure out how to use my Vikhirs missiles. But this guy was by far the most toxic player I have ever seen. Talking with the other player after the match, I found out that he went so far as to message both of us and try to harass us afterwards. I don't care as much but this other individual seemed to be very put out by his attitude.
@@kousand9917 really depends on which, smaller customs usually have legit chill and friendly communities while larger ones just become ka 50 playgrounds
This is one of the reasons why I stopped playing WT a month ago. Not only bcs of the toxic community, but the toxicity from Gaijin themselves. When you want changes or comment how stuff is killing the game, they'll just tell you that "if you dont like it, stop playing". They feel comfortable because they know you dont have any other similar game to go; they think their game is great with 40k+- players daily when they could get more by balancing or making real changes asked by their players.
play fallout new vegas instead or stalker whole lot more better games to play bro
We need a company to come and replace Gajjin. I'd switch in a heart beat.
@@SLAYERxX420 sure they are better games, but are they tank/airplane based warfare, no. So if we want our tank/airplane based warfare game we only have WT.
Really like it how those of us who play the game including CCs go YOWTF at BR changes and their idea of a response is "We are justified in using a poorly thought out database query to do our job".
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I uninsatlled WT because i was sick of that game and also curious how long can i entertain my selfe whit other games, after one week i re downladed the game then played 5 match and realised how much of a shit fest is that game is and unistalled it again and decided i dont realy wanna play this game in the future.
if warthunder didint used anger as a means of making money warthunder wouldint have this much issue with toxicity
a third of it is greed, a third is incompetence, and the other third is the community. The community can’t exactly get itself together to make a push that would genuinely affect the other two, so they take it out on others in the community. it sucks, i just wanna vibe
its what happens when you build a game on frustration and pay to win. 5 years ago it was hardly toxic at all and that was when it wasnt pay to win or frustrating
"Hating people for the nation they play"
Germany and China mains: yes
Me as a China mate and talking to Chinese with friends, some random
Ha ha racism go brrrr
Unless you commit a crime against WT community and try to play EBRs, then everyone hates you xD
I played the roles of toxic and "angel" side of the community and can say that you have to enjoy what you're doing. Or you will face major health conditions
Haven’t played in over 2 weeks. Came back the other day and actually had some fun just playing and not being over concerned with my results. I’d argue that’s another huge contributor. Everyone wants to be the best (not to say that’s a bad thing) and it leads some people into toxic tendencies.
Honestly, if you just look at it like what it is, a game you play for fun it becomes a lot better, complimenting the people that kill me actually has helped a lot for me. It takes away that tendency to rage when you get killed sometimes and replaces it with a better feeling
yeah you just don't have to burnout, or else it will only be quantity over quality
"Why didn't you cover me?"
"You main Japan? You must hate yourself"
Correct
@@robertharris6092 Someone clearly never played japan.
@@robertharris6092 Try japan for 1 hour
@@pancake4061 The only good prop they have is the J2M2
@@ayylmao8901 I meant ground forces. Zeros are ridiculously fun to fly.
@@pancake4061 yeah they are, the ones with the Type 1 Type99’s kinda suck though.
WT community: We are so toxic
TF2 community: hold my objector sign.
this might be unpopular but as ex player who quit 4 years ago , big part of blame is developers , they developed "sort of" fun game , but game who in inherit design frustrate players(as a choice) , not rewards any teamplay and caters to selfish behaviours (whole endeavour system and win X matches makes this even worse) , when i look at warthunder from perspective of player who now not played it for 3 years , and played it for 6 before that its not bad game with extra but
whole system and monetization is build to frustrate you to spend more money , says miles they sell fire enstinguishers to you , skip to get repair kit now , buy premium so you can afford that overpowered tank we made 25k lions to repair or keep losing money , everything in WT has in build frustration to it , when i played it i(and many players i spoke to) "ill have fun next match" but that feeling rarely if ever comes and you not only frustrate yourself but others
it does not help that a lot people because that "cheats the system" making entire game worse , and now you have closed loop , devs make it more frustrating , players get frustrated , unload it onto game and players , and this makes people quit , and creates more angry people.
i played many military sim , pvp games , im old eve online veteran , in its core Gajin is root of the problem. as much as people are responsible for their own actions too , devs had choice , they could not reward this behaviour , make game more cooperative rather then reward selfish play , they could not make it frusrtaring less.
lots people who play it dont see it as they been in this endless limbo , but once i took 2 month break i never for second wanted to get back , i still watch 2 youtubers to see whats going on and patches in 4 years only solidify my choice to never come back
bugs i raported in forums , in closed beta for tanks are still in game.
i played WoT and this never been a problem there and games are very close alike
The thing that makes me perhaps the most frustrated is spawncamping, and how easy it is to do it on some maps. I also get proccupied with repair costs way too much but that's a problem on my part. The two paired together make me feel infuriated when I die to a spawncamper and have to loose 5k because of it.
Map design is a huge issue for sure. In tanks the danger of moving left or right rather than straight ahead is so great that it naturally funnels people towards spawncamping. Then they implement what are, on the surface, draconian anti-spawncamping measures, but in practice amount to an exploitable safe zone for SPAA to only face air while simultaneously leaving enough areas that can be sniped that any competent spawncamper barely notices a difference against anything other than SPAA abusing the safe spots.
I hate that most of all
Being punished for doing absolutely nothing wrong
Just spawning in
It’s heartbreaking
I think if they removed repair costs for tanks destroyed in the first 1 min of the game
Or even added that as a booster or something
That would relieve some of the pressure
And for sure take the stupid maps like Karelia out of any game Br 4.3+
At even 6.3 that map is unplayable on the west spawn
Cause if you spawn in late, or are thrown into the game late
You’ll be stuck in spawn, unable to leave
Or risk leaving and be immediately sniped even if you check it every spot
There is just too many spots and too small of a map that if it’s anything larger then a 8v8, it’s not gonna be fun
The far worse thing Gaijin does is manipulate the gameplay: ghost shells ignoring hits, favoring other players when they snipe your pilot, one-shot kill you in doubtful ways, improving kill rate for Premium Accounts (aim fixing), random AA hits out of nowhere, force crashing your airplane, suppressing the sound of an incoming enemy plane on your six (when you should be able to listen), making enemy airplanes literally invisible when they obviously should be visible, and many other "balancing" manipulations, these are the worse kind of things because I think most players don't realize that and they get thrown around the game with such inconsistency and unreliability that the problem becomes a different thing for each moment, not even counting the other problems it all makes for a very frustrating game. Some consistency would at least be more justifiable when you die.
@@gbc.art.bra.49 whered you hear that premium accounts have aim fixing? big if true
But Nah. Let's turn off text chat so people cant talk about the developer's crappy government. Priorities, Guys!
I've always wondered why I'm consistently one of the only, if not the only, Japanese player in my ground RB matches. It didn't really make sense until the comment about believing the nation you play is the best. When ground came out and eventually Japanese ground tree came out I knew it wasn't going to be the best so I've been playing the game with that mindset the entire time.
Eyyyyyy we Italian players feel you lmao
Jugar con Japón es un martirio por eso no hay muchos pero mi meta es llevar a todas las naciones al 4
@@mxbriggs6270 actualmente juego con Italia , el nivel bajo es muy entretenido
Japan was not known for their tanks. While I can’t speak for it now, when I first tried to get into the nation the reserve and low tier vehicles were some of the worst I’d ever played.
I remember when I got tired of playing The US and France (the tech trees I started on) and played Germany for a couple months and when I unlocked the Tiger 2 P and H every time I played the Porsche and the enemy would talk it would be something like “good shot bruv” but when I planted the H I got so much hate just for spawning in. Once I spawned in went down one lane and a T-34 85 started cussing me out dropping arty on my and telling the enemy where I was simply because I was in a Tiger 2 trying to snipe because I didn’t have parts yet.... I just don’t understand anymore.
I’ve gotten hate in the Tiger (H) and Tiger (H) Sla.16 specifically I noticed it is when I’m down tired to 5.7 or 6.0. I think it’s because at that BR very few tanks can pen you from the front while in a Tiger (P) pretty much most can as long as they’re accurate enough therefor when killed by an Tiger (H) they feel like it’s unfair. Probably wrong but that’s my opinion.
I once got called a Wehraboo for rolling out in a panther to help my squad mate at a lower BR. Despite having top tier in almost every nation.
Tiger 2 p is the best, at least for me
I hate fighting tiger 2s they can rush you can you have a split second to aim for the turret and if your off by a millimeter or hit the breech well guess what now that tiger 2 is gonna get a 12 kill game cause nothing can fight it all tiger 2s should go up in BR its so infuriating trying to fight them
@@kousand9917 ah, yes, Tiger 2s facing off against T-55As, Bradley’s, RCVs and Type 74s, AMX-10 RCs, PTL02s and the like on a common basis.
I've had fairly pleasant experiences with most people I play with actually, if I have a question most of the time it gets answered quickly and politely
@@robertharris6092 i once had a guy that was talking about how he wanted to do...stuff to elon musk
yup, thats why I get confused when people say wt community is toxic. I mean yeah it is but is it really that big of a problem? there is occasional players where they say stupid team or something but they are usualy shunned throught the game.
@@centurionmk5236
I once had a air rb match in which my teammates were a bit too interested in talking about cumming on the enemy pilot's face in a dogfight
I've been "in the community" since 2014 and I don't believe you. 90% of my interactions with it have been very negative.
@@kaustuv5682 there are 2 types of players in this game: the ones that play and this type
Honestly, the last time I saw this level of toxicity in WT was a long time ago, at least in the game itself. Been forever since I have been on the forums.
When I think of toxicity, first franchise that comes to mind is Wargame. The game itself is incredibly fun, but the community will not let you hear the end of it if you don't play according to a number of meta and playstyle expectations.
Yep and if they see you in a Tier 3/4/5 match as a newbie and see your name as green in their UI mods, they'll bully the shit out of you then wonder why their game has less concurrent players than War Thunder.
@@Rexhunterj See my comment on the other thread for clarification. I was referring to a game of a different genre, Wargame by Eugen.
When you have general chat that spam "PUTIN GAY SEX" for every 2secs and bashing your existence for choosing support deck instead of more meta mechanised or motorised deck, you can pretty much gauge how toxic the community is.
Dont even let me start with that one dude that claim he is the strongest player that beat Razmann with his Israeli deck but got curbstomped instead.
This seems to talk a lot more about external toxicity rather than in, I was going to say a lot of in-game toxicity could be contributed to the simple frustrating gameplay design of the game and people taking it out on each other, there are so many frustrating things about this game that compound so quickly every match just makes you more and more angry.
what toxicity? theres barely any interaction most of the time in matches
Wait a minute. They said they designed the game to piss people off? Guess Im lucky I never played it :D
"If they are actually biased, then just move on. You're not going to convince them so it's just a waste of time."
While obviously you meant this about War Thunder, this is the precise reason I don't bother arguing with anyone, especially about politics. There's no point; you're not going to do anything except raise your blood pressure.
Yep.
Just agree with them or ignore completely and do stuff your own way.
I stopped playing warthunder and giving them my money because the game is just frustrating. Balance is out of whack and br uptiering and down tiering make the game near unplayable. Coupled with stock grind the game is a huge disappointment due to what ifs. Developments are solid if monetization was a single purchase and not vehicle based then more time would be put into map design and new game modes. It's the best vehicle game out there that has been gutted and left to rot in the sun due to f2p model. It's a disappointment to play because it could easily be amazing.
Same, people need to realize that there is much better games than war thunder. Its really a lost cause and not worth sticking around hoping it gets better because its not going to.
can i have you account lol
u cant earn lions if you dont have a premium account or not a unicum player.
I love how you shoot the IS-2s barrel AND TRACKS with your shell disappearing :D like, we are used to it, no prob. Ofc you are right, toxicity is a very difficile topic but you summed it up pretty much. Interesting how the toxicity problem is so easily solved....on a theoretical level
I’ve actually had some of the best interactions with enemies and teammates in war thunder compared to other games
Teamwork really is dreamwork in WT, and you don't have to sacrifice ten goats for the opportunity.
Alright, since we are on this topic I have some stories to share.
So I am playing on Russia server simply because I wanted to play at least on 2 to not wait very long for battle and Russian is the second closest to me.
Right away I get the spawn bug where allies are invisible for few seconds and I ram into a panther.
Not nothing really happens to him except getting turned around a little bit. Then an unrelated IS2 rams me from behind and starts pushing me.
I tell him stuff like "having fun?" and "you can just go around you know?" and this continues for few minutes. I don't really blame him at this point cause he was obviously just confused and thought I was ramming the panther on purpose.
But then he tries to flip me over a hill and I have to frantically maneuver not to fall on my roof. I ask the player to report him after that, and I get another unrelated player saying "This is RU server speak Russian!
Now I never heard this kind of entitlement from Russians and I thought just the sheer humiliation some American individuals suffered from doing this in public would prevent other people especially from other countries from saying that.
So saying Russian servers are for Russians is incredibly dumb on the face of it but seeing as he obviously is thinking with patriotism brain I reply to him in Slovak why Shouldn't I speak Slovak instead? Appealing to pan-slovanism a lot of Slovan nationalists hold.
And then he replies "Fuck NATO pig."
Russian brainworms at it's best.
The second story is much weirder and sadder.
I posted in a steam war thunder group that I was looking for people to team up with. One person who replied turned out to be a 14 year old girl, I was around 20 at that time so I was super iffy if I should interact with her at all. But I told myself I will give it a shot.
Right of the bat things get super weird. She was I guess questioned before about her relationship with her boyfriend and was super sensitive about it and she mistook me making a joke for criticizing her relationship and went on what I can only describe as young teen argue spree. until I said I was just joking. She invites me into a custom game with her boyfriends guild and things get way crazier.
She sends me a message saying "Lol, I am a nazi. You made me one." And then says she meant to send that to her boyfriend.
Now people say that she might have been just trolling me, and I find that incredibly difficult to believe.
Cause that was pretty much the ONLY thing she sent me, as I was mostly just awkwardly sitting there. If she was trolling there would have been some king of a follow up. Not just one isolated message with an apology.
Then things get much worse. I click on her boyfriends steam profile. And not only do him and the people with him have swastikas, ww2 German soldier profile pictures and various racist and nationalistic posts in their descriptions.
Her boyfriend is in his mid 20's.
After finding out I left the group and tried to find anywhere to report this, but I came out short. I may have reported it to steam at least at the end. I don't know. At the time I was just too unfamiliar with all that to be of any help.
Ruzkies always had a toxic attitude, but after 24.02.2022 their toxicity level skyrocketed. And it's sickening to see these genocide enjoyers rolling around with their disgusting "z" painted over armor
@@oleksandrshymanskyi1129 I faced the same thing. I was matched with a bunch of Russian players once and there was this Ukrainian guy. Russians saw my Indian flag and thought I would help them bully the Ukrainian. They start ramming the poor Ukrainian trying to enjoy by ramming his tank destroyer. I used my Jumbo to ram one of their PT76 into a river and called out his position to the enemy team. Racist ruskie couldn't find a way to climb up and dies to a hellfire of German 88s. Me and Ukrainian spent the rest of the game making their lives miserable.
@@sushmitriyanbasuli6889 typical ruzkies loosers
Keď chceš s niekým niekdy zahrať tak odpis na tento komentár a pošlem ti steam ID
@@oleksandrshymanskyi1129 i put Z and im from Kuwait and f.uck you. people like you are disrespectful you should be treated like shit. because i don't take shit from people like you.why i put z ? because its something i believe in. religion, values, traditions. while for example you don't care trying to play victim shit game. and for ge.nocide look at russian speaking people in u(k)rina since 2014 and what elensky the na.zi did to them. we're not russians but we slap you in the face directly. and cheers🤫
I shut my in game chat off 4 years ago. I've never had an issue. Death threats are considered domestic terrorism in the US and that wins you jail time.
I always thought it was because the game is tailored to make you angry to make you buy premium and gold. Who is going to have fun when every game you lose money, or get oneshot across the map when the game starts? People that have fun in this game seem to be detached from the metagaming of grinding tanks, saving money, unlocking components, and dealing with incompetent teammates.
While every game has some toxic players, War Thunder is the worst due to Gaijin helping cultivate it.
The changes they made to this game ultimately encourages players to be more toxic. High repair cost and small amount of rewards pushes players to use the scumiest tactics ever. Spawn camping, ULQ, bushes, space climbing, pushing teamates, rushing points, using teammates as bait, CAS spamming, surfing. You got people trying to defend the R3 being at 3.7. Why because its their most viable grinding tool. Events just amplify these toxic behavior.
And I believe Gaijin is fully aware it and try to use to milk money out of people. The constant addition of new broken vehicles at each update and how they constantly drag their feet to deal with them. And how their "fixes" ultimately benefits Gaijin and fails to address the real issue. Best example the stock APDSFS. Not evert MBT had them, so instead of giving every MBT stock APDS they gave everyone stock HEAT. Or how they removed the Maus or Tiger 10.5.
It doesn't help Gaijin created a community that shouts down anyone who as a negative opinion on them or how they actively censor those comments.
Every update I point out how Gaijin still hasn't addressed the traction issue, but I get called a hater or World of Tank fan boy. Because they don't want me ruining their moments of getting their shiny new toy. Then later cry about it not being OP enough.
Gaijin wants us scrapping with each other over "national pride" and the balance of vehicles. So we won't focus on them and they can get us buy the next broken vehicle.
To be fair, the Tiger 105 was a fake tank, so its removal was actually an improvement to the game, rather than a detriment. The issue was they never replaced it with anything. The Panther 2 got a new Patton instead, but players who used the Tiger 105 never got anything at all even in vaguely near-BR replacement at all, despite options being given.
But yes your comment is bang on in every way that it saved me writing it myself! They cultivate it, and they stoke it, occasionally even just via their "Can't handle us trolling you?" replies to critique.
The whole national pride thing makes me lol. Most westerners don't even have countries anymore.
The removal made me quit the game. On top of the horrible slow grind.
they never removed the Maus, i keep getting killed by that piece of shit
Don't forget they just don't like people complaining because *Q U E U E T I M E S*
The most toxic thing I’ve done was as a panther, some little light tank went infront of me at the start of the game and pit maneuvered himself on me. I was pissed cause I’m slow as fuck and he could’ve just gone around easily, so I said in chat “you’re my shield now little one” and proceeded to push him infront of me sideways, he was trapped in the t bone position unable to escape as I pushed him a full km across an open field until he absorbed a shot for me but I was laughing so hard I couldn’t aim and immediately died too. I felt bad but I couldn’t stop laughing and he kind of deserved it… kind of
It's hard to remain positive after years of garbage decisions, ghost shells, invisibility bugs, revenge bombing, overpowered vehicles, bad game mechanics, bad maps, bad players, sealclubbers etc.
I remained positive and civil for years, but the constant stream of garbage made me toxic (altough i must add that i was only chat toxic, never teamkilled or anything like that, my urge to win was too great)
What made my toxicity worse was that i knew that the game i was getting angry with was utterly fantastic underneath but ruined with bad decisions.
Just look at the valkyries update, thats where the downfall of the game's quality and increase in toxicity started, at least with me.
Apologies for bad english, as i'm from Finland
Did your trash talking involve the word Perkele?
@@blumpfreyfranks8863 Only with people i talked on VC, im usually monolingual in my trash talking :p
Ja suomalainenhan tunnetusti on pessimisti ni pitää aina haukkua itteään huonoista taidoista, ihan hyvinhä sie Enkkua kirjotat.
Mut tosiaan oon aikalailla samaa mieltä sun kanssa tästä ongelmasta.
@@Lorrins tupla kiitokset tuosta
@@AveragePootis Eipä mittään :D
I think the biggest factor is that the game's whole design is about frustrating people into oblivion. Literally all design changes in the past 2-3 updates, such as thermals, tow2Bs and BILLs are designed to frustrate people that do not have them. Throw in a chat and you get this toxicity.
Then they ban you for venting in chat at the lemmings and abusers, adding to the frustration that ends in pissed off TK's and one death leaves. I am going to admit I have shot down pilots flying fighters all game while the ground team suffers.
and let's talk about the traction, tanks get less powerful, planes get more powerful
War Thunder is no where near as toxic as World of Tanks.
Been playing both since Beta.
Finally gave up on World of Tanks.
the main issue here IMO is that gaijin doesnt enforce community guidelines at all
players can be toxic as they want because gaijin makes no effort to actually police people who deliberately teamkill
if you looked on the squadron lists, there are a ton of squadrons made for teamkillers, so they can go all 4 on a squad in a match and teamkill someone who they happen to get annoyed by once
its unreal
just dont be annoying
@@Furware okay and what constitutes "annoying"? for you it may be planes, for someone else its spawncamping for others its not playing the objective etc.
saying "dont be annoying and you wont be teamkilled" is not an an anwser, i dont know what the fuck "gamergod88xx" finds annoying. Not to mention it just restricts other's enjoyment of the game
@@Furware I got my first jet and said in chat 'First round in a jet, all that grinding finally paid off'. I was in the F84-B26. One of my teammates who also has an airspawn immediately guns me down upon spawning in, and says 'You can wait abit longer :)'. Even without being annoying people will team kill you. I got TK'd in the F2G-1 because 'its an OP plane', didn't even say anything.
@@cookiecraze1310 happens, it doesn't matter at all you can go next in literally 20 seconds
This literally sounds like World of Tanks on a regular basis.
Well a lot of them quit wot for WT, only for WT to become more like wot in its “balance” and gameplay. Top tier WT is wot top tier, hell even wors maps are bigger than WTs. Everything mis tier feels like wots T4-7
I haven't played it quite a long time already but some years ago when I left the game the WoT community was so incredibly toxic it often rivalled the glory days of CoD MW2. What we have right now is light hearted banter in comparison.
yes, but WoT is mostly kids under the age of 12, more so in Blitz that is
at least you dont get one shot all that often in world of tanks from across the map
@@meepy546
Yeah, no, it happens in WT too
This shows up when you search “war thunder trooper” and this video is perfect
1:55 I must confess I was a toxic player years ago. Now i started completing other tech trees which opened my eyes to how hard all nations had it at different parts of their tech trees. The best methods to kill these kind of immaturities is to diversify your nations, switch between air rb and ground rb from time to time, start the match with a greetings in chat, and do your best to play for fun not for grind. What i ment by the last one is try to not be afraid to grind for high BRs using lower vehicles you love playing even if the RP gains are inefficient. Finally, find some humor at the rediculous things that happens in the game (being gaijined) cause it happens to everybody just as frequently it happens to you. Trust me.
Bs. I have not seen a downtier in all my time in WT but im constantly being uptiered.
Agreed! And may I share about my experience with the 'getting gaijined' part,
The front engine of A milk truck literally bounce my panzer4 C heat round at 600m away.
Side of a t34-57 ate my Sherman round at point blank range (0 angle, didn't hit the track, just dead centre of the side)
Got two ghost round on a T34 1942 less than 30m away consecutively in the same game(no network lag or problems)
@@zesterfrost_music oh shit a dude actually got ghost shelled 2 times in a row yesterday, he's playing a german t-34, he shot the enemy tank right on the turret and the sides it didn't do any damage, he ended up dying from the enemy he wanted to kill
@@mahdudes1523 yea exactly bro. It's best to just laugh it off rather than being pissed.
* You can't bark at every tree eh!*
@@owlish_hotel down tiers are rare, but you won’t get uptiered every game, 80% of the time it’s just at the BR range
War Thunder is a cesspool of toxicity, it’s why I hardly even look at the chat ingame anymore
I wish there was a way to remove chat during ingame or at least disable chat messages
@@USSBOAT Is this an irony?
Like Robert Harris said I find WT to be pretty chill in terms of chat raging content. It happens but it's not constant. One of the worst was BFV, every single game someone was cheat calling and insulting everyone. That's some people on the internet for you. . . WT isn't bad at all chat wise.
The game is toxic because Gaijin allows it, they make it frustrating and aggravating to play, and yeah I've been toxic before, I still think anyone who spawn camps (Not spawn push, yes there is a difference) should be punched in the throat.
"I know it's a bad platform" -Spookston describing reddit circa 2021. based.
Another side to the toxicity is, you have the "immersion/accuracy" crowd clashing with the "casual" crowd.
The immersion/accuracy people want a totally accurate, true-to-life recreation of everything they've seen and heard about the war machines of the past, even all the way down to mechanical breakdowns and crew issues.
The casual people just wanna play the game and have fun for the most part (a few of the "casuals" just wanna stomp, those aren't casuals) and could care less about historical inaccuracies and qualities, but would rather prefer a balanced game.
The first crowd could care less about gameplay, or even the game itself. They want to face enemies as they would in real life, with all its (few) up and (many) downs. They don't realize that by doing this, you drive away a large portion of the playerbase, and those who sit in between the two crowds, who feel the gameplay should be as it stands, with mostly realistic mechanics, because it's not fun reliving history letter-to-letter for many.
The second crowd (mostly) couldn't care less about historical matchmaking, or even see why it shouldn't even be considered. However, this drives away the hardcore players and enthusiasts, who see non-historical balancing as a detriment to their experience in the game as a whole.
The issues with the first crowd is that, if they had their way, they'd have an extremely small base, and a game so difficult to pick up for casuals that the base would likely stagnate within half a year. Additionally, most of the hardcore players in this crowd also support and back "metas" (*M*ost *E*fficient *T*actics *A*vailable, in other words prioritizing efficiency over actual gameplay) in videogames, and want things balanced around the concept of "it was produced, so it stays"/"It wasn't mass produced, so why bother". In other words, more like IL-2.
The issue with the second crowd is, a *lot* of sealclubbers tend to hide in this audience, and so do a lot of "stat-shamers": These are people who play for statistics more than anything else, and wholeheartedly think it matters (in WoT and War Thunder respectively, external programs like XVM and Thunderskill are referenced...*a lot* in balancing threads and posts. They're literally the same thing basically). Additionally, a different type of "meta" exists here: Only valuing a specific vehicle *if* it can be broken or exploited to gain an advantage, instead of valuing the vehicle for its own qualities. This type of meta is ultimately more toxic than the first, because of how ambiguous the lines here are drawn. Sealclubbers tend to believe they're "doing what's good for the game by weeding out the weak", but neither crowd actually bothers to help new players, instead, they club them using whatever meta vehicle they have, and then defend said meta by way of their excuses, which boils down to "well too bad, just play what we do next time or leave".
Additionally, a lot (*and I mean a fucking LOT*) of players have recently left World of Tanks, and *that* community is worse than War Thunder's, *by far* (literally, you used to be able to talk to enemy players. This was changed because of rapid toxicity where more and more players would issue death threats, reveal locations of allies and generally just be toxic wastes of space, so this function was removed). The game had also changed for the worse by catering to the upper echelon of players, who would sweat their literal asses off and be toxic when no one wanted to be cannon fodder so they themselves could just sit back and farm. The artillery nerf of 9.18 was the beginning, and the most recent changes basically tell you everything about artillery: Where it will shoot, how far, from where and even a skill to detect when they fire, and where it will land. These changes were made in favor of those players who would sit in the same place the whole game to farm damage undetected, or in a safe hulldown place. A lot of these players have left due to the introduction of stun mechanics, or other decisions down the line, for example crew 2.0 and the equipment rework.
These former WoT players came to the game and brought basically nothing of value: They were toxic, refused to learn and would complain about an issue, but then refuse to listen as to *why this issue was a thing*.
Lastly, the toxicity from both parties is directly linked to the increasing technology levels present in the game. A lot of bugs and issues come from the fact that the playerbase basically pressured Gaijin into adding all of this, instead of focusing on these issues. Now that the game *has* these modern tanks, planes, and mechanics, the game itself is *nowhere near prepared* for any of this, and the playerbase (having no freaking foresight *or* hindsight*) think that increasing BR limits and map sizes will make things better. The former is just a really bad excuse to add more modern toys, and the latter is just them wanting for force out players who disagree with their wants for more modern tech.
Unfortunately, what's done is done, and the players are suffering issues of their own creation, including their idiot toxicity, because they *know* it'll take a group effort to stem the amount of hate in the playerbase, but the *don't want* to put in the effort to call these players out. Eventually, the game will just become another WoT clone (it basically is already at top tiers), and will start withering away slowly. And none of the toxic players of any party will know why, want to know why or even care why. They'll blame Gaijin as they always do.
I agree mostly, but as far as the toxicity at the higher BR’s
I’d say 75% of that is artificial, created by gaijin themselves
As an Italian main, some of my planes have 15k repair costs
And some of my tanks have 10k repair costs
Unfortunately, those same vehicles are very mediocre
And while being placed in the hands of a good player (Italian players on average are better then the standard German/Russian/American player) these vehicles may do well
But you get punished for playing the game
Which, because at higher BR’s, the likelihood of spawn camping is higher, the odds of people dying with one tank and leaving is higher, and the opportunity for a handful of bad players to ruin a game is a lot higher
The salt can be real, especially if you carry a game (I’ll use myself as an example in a game where I put my all and did slightly above my average but with a lot of deaths) get 10 kills, 2 caps and a handful of assists with 4 deaths
I might still lose the game because half my team spawned with 1 tank, died and promptly left the game
And with those 4 deaths, I now barely make 5k SL
At 8.7 that’s stupid
At 4.0-5.7, as Italy, I make more money then 7.0-8.3 and 10.0+
Anyways, a slight “fix” would be to cut back on the small maps, as they are more likely to spawn camp
Also new game modes would help as well, and less painful repair costs
Last repair cost rework did help, just, they then took away how much money I make with the economy changes, as my win rate is over 50%
If from every rank you make 5-10% more SL then you do now
I think that would be a step in the right direction as well
And as far as air
That’s a total other discussion
Just gonna talk about ground for rn
IFVs and ATGM’s need to be far enough away that the 6.7 ww2 tanks will never face them, because as it stands now
Running into a marder in my M26 sucks and is very jarring for WW2 gameplay
I don’t want things to be 100% historical
But ATGMs from the 70s and 80s killing tanks from the mid 40s is stupid
Keep ATGMs 7.7 or 8.0+
I realize I’m now ranting, but there is some easy tweaks to cut down on the major issues, and to cut the issues scope in half, the issues will still remain, but the foot print will be much smaller
Also Crew replacement and FPE needs to be included in every tank 7.0+
After the Korean War era, every tank needs to have those things
Would make the grind less… painful
I don't know if it's the different servers, but in my entire Warthunder playthrough I usually don't encounter messages via chat at all. Most of it is "Attack the D point!" "Never!" "Thank you very much!".
Occasionally, you find a regular profanity, censored by *****, but nothing that hateful, no threats. Chat-wise, i find this game to be VERY silent. By far the most toxic community I have encountered is in League of Legends, and LoL players will agree with me here.
Gameplay-wise, Warthunder is indeed very toxic. Spawn camping is tolerated by gaijin for some reason, and camping is a regular thing. But probably the most frustrating thing, besides getting sniped from across the map, is getting up-tiered and having no way to actually defeat your opponent. (But that is not the community's fault).
Yeah if War Thunder has an extremely toxic community it’s mainly because of how it’s designed to frustrate you into spending money
Oh look, somebody finally said it.
Guys, quick tip for any of you frustrated with being unable to see a logical reason behind Gaijin's destabilizing decisions in the BR system, impossible high tier grind, painful stock experience, obviously overpowered vehicles, etc etc, think about the fact you can buy bushes, crew skill, OP vehicles (look to KV I C and Harrier for examples), parts, premium account benefits, and how the combination of it all can make the game far easier.
Also consider the fact that by lowering Tiger's and Panther's BR, the game promotes hasty grind to acquire these German vehicles that can utterly ruin other nations' teams in many scenarios, and combine that with the fact many people, in the US especially, have been brainwashed into thinking that these tanks are invincible by idiotic 90s documentaries. Now take into account that people in the US are quite wealthy in comparison to many nations and gaming is extremely popular there and the fact you can speed up grinding tigors with Golden Eagles.
Now extend the previous point to any selected obvious OP vehicle of some other nations.
If you play this game as a free game, for Gaijin, you're nothing more than designated cannon fodder for the cool guys who spent money to sealclub other players. You're the filler, basically.
Fuck their freemium model game.
I remember being told to get lung cancer on world of tanks. The same still applies in WT. They positioned themselves in a bad spot & raged when nobody wanted to throw away their tank to help them.
A guy on Project Gotham Racing (IIRC 3) told me my address and said he was going to come to my house and struggle snuggle me to death.
I still have no idea how he knew my address, it wasn't linked to my XBL account in any way as far as I remember. And it can't have been that he knew me as he was from another country. And there's no way on earth that it was a lucky guess.
{Jimmeh Jiimmeehh!} IP tracing. I have seen people use similar technologies to troll CoD communities and games.
The problem is that War Thunder's game mechanics are inherently unfair. The game promotes camping and easy kills over actually playing the objective.
Sadly that's kinda how war works, pushing into objectives alone mostly results in death without being able to do anything. I mean the war thunder community isn't all that good at cooperating.
I usually get a lot of hate when talking in spanish at the chat, comments like: oh go eat your tacos, like if i was mexican, but im actually from Argentina. It's kind of annoying when english speakers asume that only mexicans speak spanish.
Lmfao I know some Portuguese players who had same results despite being from Europe or Brazil lmfao
A si es bro, al parecer México es el único país que habla español XD
Thats because of the bulk amount of players are American and most Americans are racist af to latinos and Europeans
Don’t worry man they do it with anything that is not English, I tried to speak Italian and they said if I could stop changing side or even in a German chat one or two people kept saying that they could not speak nazi language so just ignore them
shut up and go eat your tacos
I very rarely get upset when playing war thunder, and when I do it has never been because of another player. I don't care much about my team winning, I just go for a positive k/d ratio and a lot of fun. I think people tend to forget that that's the point of gaming, to enjoy it and have fun, not winning every game.
Agreed. No fun? No point. It amazes me how some people treat games like a second or even first job that they hate. I just don't understand.
Ok i agree but why dont you care if you win or lose? You get better rewards by winning lol
@@ghost_1153 you lose more SL by dying than you do by losing once you get to higher brs, important thing is just to always gain SL, you always gain plenty this way. Meanwhile focusing on trying to win almost always gets you killed, points always gets bombed etc, meaning even if you win, repaircosts will make lose SL most of the times.
@@deicidemaul what nation and vehicles do you usually play as that also is a factor and your playstyle
@@ghost_1153 uuh.. 10.7 US, 10.0 Germany, 9.7 RU, and spaded everything Swedish.. I just play whatever I feel like mostly, but fav is 8.3 Sweden
a year later and the problem is still as bad... sorry dad.
I want to say I do experience some of this as it is. When complaining about how hard the Jumbo is to hit in the front with any german tanks, Im called a wheraboo and insulted for using germany. I understand germany didn't build tanks that could shrug anything off in the battlefeild and have enough penetration to rival the t-29 Infact most sucked. But still I feel I should be allowed to complain when its that difficult to hit the target. I even mess up badly and blow up my teammates from time to time, but at least for the most part, low teir players are able to understand accidents happen
Just a tip for jumbos being a German main myself the machine gunners port on the hull in the front the tank is there week spot
I just straight up have fun in arcade, idk why but it feels like realistic has more toxicity, am I wrong about this?
I'm with you.
Yeah, it's more sweaty in realistic. So when you die its twice as frustrating.
Nope, you are absolutely correct. Remember that there is the issue of elitism. People here tends to see RB as bring more elite than AB, and AB players seen as inferiors. Most of the more elitist players are in RB, and that's where the highest toxicity lies.
From my experience I would agree with you arcade has a much more casual and friendly playerbase.
No your right in arcade when you die it’s not that huge of a deal especially on small maps cause you’re insanely fast. But In realistic on some maps you spend an entire minute or sometimes more depending getting to the front only to be killed and it pisses people off.
War Thunder Player 2023 Starter Pack ™️ includes:
-Be an asshole to new players
-Be an asshole to German mains
-Complain about CAS
-Complain about grind
-Say that you are suffering while still coming back to the game every day
I'll be a complete asshole to new players who don't look where they are flying. Had a level 4 F-4s player ram into me and he apologised while I had to go back to the hanger and on crew lock needing to play something else as I wanted to spade my AJ
If you are a new player stay the f*ck away from high to top tier unless you have someone that's already at top tier that's a friend and have thought you the basics and how to deal with enemies instead causing problems for others
@@theoriginalcornisgood2.0 In that case, I actually agree. People who buy a TT premium after 3 matches in low tier deserve hell.
@@ihatehandleupdate I've seen a case of someone literally just finishing the tutorial then bought a top tier jet or tank and go straight into realistic battles
Accurate
More Gaming TH-camrs need to be making a point about this for all games. I'm glad you've made a video about it.
Revenge kills in WT are a serious part of the toxicity.
The driving motivation is spite. This is only exacerbated when the kill is skillful or comes from a lower BR vehicle. Few games I can think of have such a big focus on revenge against other players who are simply playing normally.
yeah, getting hunted by a single player I managed to kill is not a fun experience, it completely destroys Realism for me a lot of the time because they'll just come back to where they died to fight me again and either win and kill me or lose and come back again.
You get the exact same thing I'm any games with respawns, it's just warthinder is slower paced so it's more obvious.
Something like this happened today, my teammate said good luck and have a great day, most of the players said "ty you too" but one guy was like: "kys". like wtf? why
Shits and giggles plus grinding makes people pissed.
That's why I probably contribute to the toxicity problem if you could call it that by bullying low tier players in something annoying to face :D (coming from a player who has played for 5 years constantly as a F2P player till last year)
I've always said it, Gaijin have plenty of issues, but the community hold back the game just as much. Every update everything is complained about, making it rare for issues to see any focus from the community (rare exceptions are things like rep kits and fire extinguishers being made easier to unlock). Too many players are willing to capitalise on bad design like OP vehicles, or spawn kill spots. There's little support for new players, with too many vets praying on them and seal clubbing. Events are made worse by selfish attitudes. Instead of congratulating people on outplaying them, the general response is "KYS" or "that vehicle is OP cancer".
Gaijin need to get their act together, but so do the community. How can we expect the devs to listen to the community when it's always so busy arguing about everything and saying everything that's added to the game is shit?
The game is imbalanced and generally unfair. That creates a toxic community.
yea sometimes in this game you can do everything right and still get screwed over
One of the most toxic things is being 3v1d in air rb.
As a german main, I have to say the fact the tanks are much slower puts a mental strain on you making you have a much slower reaction time
Also the fact you get k.... Much harder makes it kind of less punishing if not for the front plate thing, and that makes you kindof worse
I've been playing since 2013 and I have not see any of this "toxicity", but that's mostly because I don't go to threads, reddit, etc~. My main gripes I have with the game more often is that they keep reducing SL earnings or make the grind so tedious even with premium activated. Those are more the main issues I see people talking about.
I get revenge bombed every other round, that is also toxic behaviour.
I got over a 100 downvotes for saying I play on laptop
Personally my hostility isn't against the nation itself exactly, but towards the dumb decisions and inaccuracies by the developers who make the deliberate decision to have completely idiotic situations or disgusting match-ups.
Like an M26 Pershing, a tank from 1944-45, facing a Leopard 1 MBT from 1965. That just isn't right, sure the Leopard is made of glass, but it has vastly superior gun performance, speed, and handling. If this is meant to be okay, then the MBT-70 and its variants should be at the same BR or lower as they were the prototype / test bed vehicles that lead to the Leopard 1's development.
Another example being the R3 T20, everyone's favorite piece of Italian lunchbox technology. It was a prototype SPAA platform, from 1982. Its 20mm gun has a rate of fire of over 900rpm, and it faces WW2 propeller aircraft. It was made in the jet age, to counter jets and helicopters, putting it against propeller aircraft is like giving someone a laser cutter to just walk across a target. Most argue that it's fine because MG's can kill it but that applies to most all SPAA, it's still ridiculous that it sees battles with planes 40 years prior to its design.
There also always seems to be a trend of lowering the BR of other nations vehicles while constantly raising the BR of the American vehicles, placing vehicles against opposition they have no business encountering (M26 v Leo1). So I do feel some of the hate from American players is justified to a degree, not death threat level of course, but it is very annoying to have a tank raised in BR because it is thickly armored, but uses a 75mm short gun. You're a glorified bullet sponge at that point facing tanks you can't pen frontally at all, and have to either catch their side by luck, or use 2-3 shells to cripple the tank to get beside it. By which time you are likely going to be killed or have your kill taken by a team mate (which is fine for most of us I think). They constantly have to play smarter to win, because everything can kill them frontally at most BR's in 1 shot, then get punished for it by having their vehicles raised in BR because they are over-performing on paper. No one should be punished for working harder to beat odds stacked against them from the get-go.
"There are 2 things in the world I can't stand, people who are intolerant of other players preferred nation of choice, and Chinese mains."
Jokes aside, WT's toxicity is pretty low tier in comparison to R6S and Xbox 360 CoDMW2/Halo: Reach.
As long as spawn camping is still a thing, I’m gonna keep winging about it
Maybe if Gaijin actually listened to its playerbase, then maybe the players wouldn't be so aggressive. The game is addictive yet is also horrid to actually play. On top of being frustrating with WT's bugs and "mechanics", there's a lot of ways people can be toxic and it seems Gaijin doesn't even care, not only that but it's a game that forces you to be good to not go negative in SL if you don't have premium etc. Long story short, I see a lot of potential in WT however it's a sad dream knowing the things that could be so easily fixed just don't literally because Gaijin said so. So yeah I'm throwing the majority of the blame on Gaijin.
They refuse to do something about horrid maps favorited to one side, BR compression, and god awful max repair costs (MRC)
For example, from 5.3 to 6.3 Germany, MRC doubles. Pair that with almost guaranteed complete uptiers, and mainly being played by newer people to 6.3, it's horrendous. American MRC is even worse.
If they did an update just fixing the game in ways like this instead of focusing on more vehicles, War Thunder would jump in popularity due to people recommending it again, and others coming back to it.
Another reason is probably tiger syndrome over all, where people have this view that this certain tank is the best thing ever and no other tank would ever stand a chance, then they hold w to the cap and get insta killed by a flanking light tank and start raging about it. And like you mentioned, Gaijin doesn't help a lot with toxicity, especially not by adding so many busted vehicles to make some money before balancing it.
Me, an English guy who usually gravitates to soviet armour: "I just think they're neat."
Personally, I fit in the nomad play style. I have a bunch of tanks with almost every nation (except china) and what nation I play depends just on the mood.
The game wasn't that toxic back in the early days. I played right after launch and it was one big party for a few months with everyone having a good time. Since I have come back it seems like toxicity is correlated to frustrating game play.
2013 was a golden time tbh
After playing league, csgo, rainbow 6, and even fifa
I can tell you that war thunders toxicity level is non existent compared to these games
I honestly haven't seen this as an issue compared to other games like RL which i played till i reached Grand Champ and CSGO. The most toxic game by far is League of Legends in the short amount i've played and stopped immediately
I have never seen it as in issue in rocket league, but I also never play with randoms.
@@a.b.3455 I have never seen a traffic jam as i take a plane everywhere...
From my experience, most of the time i play, people are generally nice and most of them just dont talk at all. But when someone's pissed off it becomes really toxic real quick. Sometimes into fights in the chat because of stupid reasons. I saw someone told the enemy to hang themselves because the enemy is camping lol
This is probably because most of the WT toxicity occurs outside of the game itself. The WT subreddit, devblogs, the forums. Oh lord the forums....
@@ndcentral8194 really? I saw most of the toxicity happens in game... i know the forums are toxic but i havent seen ones that surpass the game itself
@@dharmawanadhitthana6900 inside the game it’s not actually that bad at all. I rarely see anything negative in normal battles. Custom Battles seems to be the worst but it’s not often people are arguing. The forums are the holy grail of salt and toxicity. It’s the lowest low of scum. There’s not a more wretched hive of WT players. All of them are the fanatics and believe they are the most correct. It’s not uncommon to see someone giving false or skewed technical information to help obtain their desired outcome for a patch. This creates a never ending cycle as people call out others or claim otherwise.
@@ndcentral8194 welp, now i know what i can do today. Wanna browse the forums :3
That's a valid reason
I never met a toxic player yet, and if I did i really don't remember. I get mad sometimes but never talk bs in chat so just have fun guys
I've always found the term wehraboo toxic af, like when anyone at all playing Germany is not doing great in the game at that moment they instantly get called that
EDIT: I should clarify that I know wehraboos actually exist but the term is overused and also just used by other WT players to be toxic to people who aren't great at the game and play Germany. See: the tiger problem