EXACTLY! I have to wonder if its even a good idea to take families and their children on the enterprise if picard puts it in constant danger like this.
Joining enterprise may include, but is not limited to: Borg encounters, including assimilations, going from being human back to a primitive species, being in a continuous time loop, and also, be cautious of that drink your holding, there is a chance it could spill due to an attack, while also at the same time slamming you around like a rag doll. Once a week, you will probably be at risk of death, but don’t worry! There was a time where everyone forgot who they were! The android on board has a psycho brother named lore, who is kind of a threat! But don’t worry. Data has only locked everyone out of the bridge, and taken control of the ship only once…so far! Senior staff include captain Picard. He likes his tea hot, and his drama even hotter! Commander riker. He’s number 1! He likes to sit funny, and also has a clone! Worf, he’s a Klingon. He always gets told no. That’s it. Deanna troi, ships counselor. if you have an eating disorder, think twice, she’s quite a snack. Just ask riker clone! Commander data! Read above. Geordi laforge. Chief engineer. If you’ve ever loved your car, think again. Geordi loves his engine so much, it supersedes your antique means of transportation. Also blind, but not really. Dr crusher… the Diet Coke version of Deanna troi. Sign here.
Even though the Romulans "won" in this instance, because the Enterprise found out about the ruse, it forced the Romulan Commander to reveal that she had been a spy. As a result, Star fleet could now review all of the "Ambassador's" record to see what areas of security might have been compromised by her espionage.
I'm more curious why the Devoras was going home at Warp 2. It's like they were walking away reaaally slowly, looking back to see if the Enterprise was going to chase them and teasing them to do so.
That is one of the best portrayals of a romulan ever. He does not yell and almost whispers, calmy. He's already won the game and is merely waiting for you to realize it. He's already prepared for sore losers, the second raptor you never knew about decloaks off your starboard flank. It was there the entire time waiting incase this very thing happened. Even after repeated loud, threatening interruptions from Picard the Romulan calmy returns a silk wrapped threat that he is not ready to start a war, "today". 1 vs 1, then 2 vs 1, suddenly 3 more for 5 vs 1 yet still he remains calm. The harshest his words ever get is when he pulls the silk back just a little while saying his patience has "limits". He wins before he fights so he doesn't have to, and if forced to fight then it changes nothing and wouldn't last long. Hell he was cruising at warp 2 and let's the Enterprise catch him because it was powerless. More of this Romulan please! Make it a double shot.
Well, there's a bit more to it than that because the Romulan really isn't ready to start a war. He has enough backup to destroy the Enterprise easily, but if he does, it will mean war with the Federation, and he doesn't want that. Picard knows this, which is why he doesn't back off straightaway even though he knows he's in a weak position tactically. The Romulan then concedes just a little bit, by admitting to the spying operation to show that he isn't actually holding an ambassador hostage. But Picard doesn't want to start a war either, and he also doesn't want to get his ship destroyed (he would if he had to, but on this occasion the stakes aren't high enough to die for), and the Romulan knows this too. It's a game of poker, as Data says. Nobody really wants to start shooting, but somebody is going to have to back down to diffuse the situation, and given the strength of the Romulan's hand, it isn't going to be him. So Picard knows he has to fold, this time (but at least he's found out the truth, which means he hasn't lost completely). Again, just like a game of poker between two experienced and savvy players.
Mendek has the Enterprise in the same situation that Tomalak thought he had them in in 'The Defector'. But Mendek didn't threaten to display the Enterprise's broken hull on Romulus. Mendek was in fact in a position to do so here.
Ummm ... do you people never pay attention? 0:48 - "the ship is still in the neutral zone". In "The Defector", Tomalak tricked Enterprise to enter Romulan space. So not. Nowhere near the same situation.
I also have the feeling that Mendek knew exactly that Picard wouldn't back down, that he would be willing to risk a shooting war for a chance to rescue his own people. Highly likely because Mendek would have done the same thing had it been a Romulan that was kidnapped by a Federation ship.
@@ricksimon9867 It doesn't matter where an ambush happens. The end result would still be the same, and the Enterprise crew would still be dead/captured, whether a war started or not.
I did too. Despite the fact the Enterprise came in weapons hot. The 2nd warbird basically was extra display of power and even if the Enterprise started to fire, she would've been heavily damaged after the fight. The 2 war birds would also be heavily damaged or possibly destroyed. But luckily Picard knew he was made and was looking at a losing position. Best to run and wipe off his bloody nose and live to see another day.
Silver lining though - Picard played his hand long enough to learn that the Federation had been compromised by spy. As bad as that was, it would have been worse to not even know.
@@leviwright6231 2 warbirds would have meant the destruction of the Enterprise. 1 is a match or more for a Galaxy class, 2 would be suicide to go up against.
@@compmanio36 2 vs 1 is still bad in the eyes of the Enterprise. They still would've knocked out one Warbird and damage the 2nd. Bud yes in this case the Enterprise would be destroyed if both Warbirds coordinated the attack.
2:40 I love how the main viewer shows the side of the guy instead of just showing the front of him like a normal TV would. it's 'wrong' - you can't see around an object on a modern screen by moving your head; it's a flat screen. Screens don't work that way. And yet they had to block the actors and position the cameras and composite that shot specifically get the effect. They didn't accidentally blunder into it. They did it on purpose. So the only other alternative is this is a weird 3d screen, where you actually can see different perspectives depending on where you're viewing the screen from. So basically the show gives us this really subtle bit of worldbuilding, where we find out the main viewer is like a 3d holo display, and yet there isn't a single line of 'as you know, ha ha ha' dialogue, because it's just something normal to them. So subtle, but so great
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 And most people aren't going to bother to read technical documentation for a fictional show. But the showrunners purposefully showcased it, and then instead of drawing attention to it, just left it at that, because, like you say, nothing new and established for decades. I've seen so much bad exposition in science fiction, and this is just done so well and so subtly
If you watch and really pay close attention to TNG, you'll find a lot of nods and homages to TOS. Some are obvious, but some you need to be paying close attention. I've been a fan and watching Star Trek series and movies since the mid 70s and have seen every ep of every series a million times each, but I'm sure even I have missed some of them. I find more all the time though. I think Voyager has more nods to TOS though. Especially the doctor, or EMH. He was always saying "I'm a doctor, not a....blank blank". However, I don't think I ever heard him say "He's dead Katherine!" LOL
I always loved how they wrote the Romulan's. They must have had someone who was critical in their thinking on the writing team.. Because they always managed to nail the "opposition" that came from the Romulan interactions. A good enemy and not quite an enemy for the federation..
The Romulan Admiral was in a charitable mood. Calling those reinforcements forced Picard's next move: retreat. And he let him go unmolested; true to his word, he was in no mood to start a war.
Imagine how confused everyone else on the bridge is. The senior officers go in for a routine conference and then suddenly you're declaring war on the Romulans.
But it's mostly just empty space. The ship was clearly designed to look menacing to its enemies. We saw in the Dominion war that tactic did not work in major battles and instead these warbirds performed poorly. Likely explains why we saw the Valdore class ship which was much more conventional in design.
This is top notch Sir Stewart.. you could quite literally feel the distaste he had in his heart and soul for having to have not only been played by “T’Pel” but to furthermore have to tuck the tail of the Federation’s Flagship and “retreat” back into Federation Space.. not only the tone in which he says engage but the over the shoulder sharp point (whereas in almost any other moment he calls out “Engage”, his point is direct and infront as if he’s gazing down his finger like a sight line, leading the way..) Here however he throws his ‘Signature Gesture’ disdainfully over his shoulder, visibly disgusted by the very order he just had to utter.
STD:"My name's space Jesus Michael Burman, I'm right, your wrong, I will win regardless of the situation and then we'll all cry about it and come to a mutual understanding through shared feelings".
that was the whole point of this episode : Datas Day at the beginnign he says hes recording and noting everything in order for it to be used for research
"Captain, you're not going to start an incident which may --" "Admiral, I will do whatever is necessary." Picard showing how a grown man can be both civilized and dangerous.
This encounter was later used against Picard in the episode "The Drumhead" when Admiral Satie accused him in a hearing of participating in a conspiracy against the Federation on the mere basis that he stood up to the Admiral on the behalf of crewman Simon Tarses having lied on his application to Starfleet.
Looks beautiful! Love the quality! You can tell how disgusted Picard is at 4:05. He didn't want to back down but he knew he had no other choice. Unfortunately.
I love the two distinct usee of "Engage". The first is quick, energetic and ready for battle, then the second is the opposite, an almost defeated wave. 😅
All this technobabble... i'm still in awe how Brent could remember it all so perfectly well. I think this was from the episode "Data's Day". One of my favorites that experimented with the narrative structure and was one of the only episodes with a voice over narration.
@@LordTalax the OP meant that one of the characters was narrating as the story unfolded, to help you, the audience member understand what other facets there were to the story - I.e. Data's emotionless perspective.
0:59--“The safest and most logical decision in this situation is to contact Starfleet and await further instructions. However, based on past experience, I project only a 17% chance Captain Picard will choose that alternative.” Picard: Red Alert. All hands stand to battle stations! Sounds like your projection was correct, Data!
That romulan was actually very reasonable!!! Tomalak was ready to attack when the enterprise was outnumbered by two warbirds, so that he could take the enterprise's broken hull back to romulus!!!!!
I’m not sure reasonable would be the way I’d describe him. It was more like he knew that he’d won, that no matter what the Enterprise did, the Romulans would come out winners. They had their spy back, practically gifted by the unwitting Starfleet and the Enterprise was too heavily outnumbered to do anything than a suicidal attack which would have kicked off a war neither side wanted. I do sort of regret that more couldn’t have been resolved by diplomacy.
@@madskillz808 I would've thought that too, until hearing how their ships were the same colour as their blood. That would've been like the terran empire making themselves look even more terrifying with red starships. :(
The irony is Tomalak came off as comical. The Romulans were the Federation's match. It's just their behavior sometimes was stupid and made them come off as comical. Their first appearance on the show was threatening. But then Tomalak made them come off as comical. "The Mind's Eye" - the torture scene was somewhat comical but that's because the ending makes it so, it's like the Romulans are destined to fail against the Federation, then "Reunification" does seem kind of comical as well. The other episodes were dead serious episode. "Tin Man" was probably the most menacing the Romulans were because they actually fight the D. The Romulans pride themselves on plotting and getting away with it, only when it comes to bite them in the ass, it's actually kind of funny.
Moral of the story: If you meet up with Romulans, expect some cloaked warbirds around that back them up. The next time the Enterprise was in the neutral zone, they brought some cloaked friends of their own.
It's classic-sounding and yes it's a Ron Jones episode. This is before Dennis McCarthy and Jay Chattaway really took over the show and the show got more militant.
I didn't ever see Picard back down like that, he didn't though did He?, He showed Balls! Timely advice from No 1. Sometimes you decide better when you know that it is a 'Friend' behind You.
Funny thing about this is this episode is set a year after the incident when they had two Romulan warbirds vs the Enterprise and the secret 3 Klingon birds of prey. The Romulans never knowing if Picard might have them are forced to reinforce their 2 warbirds with 3 more ships. Lot of resources just in case Picard might have extra ships.
Good reminder. Romulans overprepared in order not to be caught off guard underestimating Picard. Picard was in a different scenario here, though. In "The Defector", he was responding to a potential threat developing in real time, thus very wisely prepared hidden backup resources in the form of cloaked Klingon ships. Here he was following strict orders from Starfleet. Those orders were effectively chains on his options. Combine those chains with the Romulans overpreparing, this is the only result possible.
Ladies and gentlefolk, the musical stylings of Mr. Ron Jones. It’s a shame that Seth MacFarlane did not manage to snag him for _The Orville_ , but at least we got four seasons on TNG of this master of orchestral soundtrack wizardry.
Among the many great elements of this scene, I love that they used a bit of Ron Jones' Romulan theme music when the warbird decloaked. They really should have kept doing that, as they did with Jerry Goldsmith's Klingon theme.
Makes sense since technically the Vulcans were the ones who made First Contact. It's plausible the transporters, engines, shields, weapons .etc from the Federation would have Vulcan signatures meaning their tech would be very similar to the Romulans.
Except that the Romulan migration from Vulcan happened during the time of Surak. They left Vulcan in 12 sublight generation ships that took a century or more to reach the Romulus/Remus system. Their tech, especially their advanced tech, is entirely home grown.
@@jamesbuchanan4414True, but all tech functions on the same principles. Modifying transporter frequencies might be as simple as modifying European generators that supply power at 240 volts 50 Hertz to 60 Hertz and splitting the voltage in half to become compatible with American standard - a few modifications ahead of time, and you'd never know there was a change in the first place. And given the "ambassador" was a key element in arranging this transfer in the first place, it wouldn't be difficult to get such fundamental specs over to her comrades to make such preparations, as every first year basic civilian course in transporter engineering would contain such data.
The side view of the Romulan bridge shows off the subtle use of holographic technology used in the viewscreen. A normal screen wouldn't show off the side of the room. The amount of unrecognized effort these people put in constantly blows my mind.
One of the most tiresome shots in sci-fi is the roar of the engines followed by slow acceleration like a truck in first gear. I love that trek uses a short burst to overcome inertia and glides off of that burst.
I'm gonna pretend Picard and Mendek met again during the dominion war, with the Enterprise saving the Romulans from an embarrassing defeat by the Jem H'dar. Picard quips that he's glad to help them once more.
This Picard was the actual character, not a masturbatory fantasy by Patrick Stewart, which is what's portrayed in the new show. This is why you never let the actor write for their own character.
He's old and worn out, but it's still him. 😔But I guess for some fans seeing your favorite character fall low and not balance back in an episode or two just isn't the same. People like their heroes in their heyday, not their twilight years. If this is how you prefer Picard, then leave the Picard series alone. It'll only disappoint you even more.
@@girl1213 You are an idiot! Old age does not change someone's character in that way. Furthermore, we had no problem with TOS characters getting older and frail.
well this Admiral has taken into consideration that there is always the possibility of Cloaked Klingon birds of prey. the next time this would happen, The Enterprise comes in with a takeon fleet. to 1up this play by the Romulans.
I’d like to add that it wasn’t a total loss, now that Picard and Starfleet were aware that it was indeed a Romulan spy, they could know the information compromised and try to make changes and such to fix it best they can
@@Livestreamatic Great point. Picard at least forced the Romulans to show their cards. He could have not gone back to face the Romulans and they would have never known 100% that T’Pel was a spy.
"I predict that there is only a 17% chance Captain Picard will choose this logical alternative, because he's an insubordinate idiot cowboy. Based on my calculations, I should be running this ship".
@@Livestreamatic Some of the most imaginative episodes of programmes have been because lack of budget TNG prime example is The Drumhead and I think Disaster.
The music in the first few seasons of TNG was superb. Shame Berman forced the music into boring strings 'chords' and not much else for the latter seasons. Apparently he said the music was too distracting. Utterly moronic.
Anyone ever notice how the Romulans seem to have a number of ships on the border & the Federation generally has the Enterprise & maybe two other ships in semi close range?
Romulans are more paranoid and aggressive. The Federation seeks peace with them, this would be hard to achieve if they made the border with the neutral zone a military checkpoint.
The thing that often surprises me is that, by the 24th century we're often supposed to believe that humans "live in paradise" and "have evolved beyond what we are today". They don't have the same selfish drives we do, or the needs to have them. They are optimistic, and often look for the "nicest" option in many scenarios. Obviously, this isn't always true; I've watched plenty of Star Trek to see this veneer slip, and humans be much more like we are today, but still... Conversely, the Romulans, one would think, would have an amazing poker game/face. EVERYTHING about them is deception, intrigue, and getting the best for themselves. It's weird that the happy humans ever come out on top with the shifty, sneaky, Romulans. Maybe it's just because it's always Picard and crew, from our perspective? Oh well.
Admiral Mendek's patience has limits...unlike the Romulan bowl cut hairstyle which is both infinite and ubiquitous! We salute you Romulans--pageboys everywhere stand up a little bit taller because of your treacherous ways!
Can you imagine a very angry looking Galaxy class ship with its shields up in all of its weapons completely charged hauling ass straight towards you? Lmao... At that point how do you not completely shit your pants? And think of how often that actually is something a federation ship would do.... So, when you see it happening it probably means some crazy shit is about to go down lol
The captain that was testing the cloaking device in the episode “The Pegasus” WAS right. That stupid clause in the treaty between the Federation and the Romulans that forbade the federation from developing cloaking tech was the biggest mistake the Federation made in a treaty. It kept them from being on equal footing with the Romulans and Klingons for almost a century.
Always wondered why they confronted the Romulans with only a lone ship. Should have had an entire fleet. The only exception I remember is the confrontation with Tomalak, when they had Klingon assistance.
All the families and children on board must have ptsd from the constant random red alerts, time anomalies, and borg attacks.
EXACTLY! I have to wonder if its even a good idea to take families and their children on the enterprise if picard puts it in constant danger like this.
Joining enterprise may include, but is not limited to: Borg encounters, including assimilations, going from being human back to a primitive species, being in a continuous time loop, and also, be cautious of that drink your holding, there is a chance it could spill due to an attack, while also at the same time slamming you around like a rag doll. Once a week, you will probably be at risk of death, but don’t worry! There was a time where everyone forgot who they were! The android on board has a psycho brother named lore, who is kind of a threat! But don’t worry. Data has only locked everyone out of the bridge, and taken control of the ship only once…so far! Senior staff include captain Picard. He likes his tea hot, and his drama even hotter! Commander riker. He’s number 1! He likes to sit funny, and also has a clone! Worf, he’s a Klingon. He always gets told no. That’s it. Deanna troi, ships counselor. if you have an eating disorder, think twice, she’s quite a snack. Just ask riker clone! Commander data! Read above. Geordi laforge. Chief engineer. If you’ve ever loved your car, think again. Geordi loves his engine so much, it supersedes your antique means of transportation. Also blind, but not really. Dr crusher… the Diet Coke version of Deanna troi. Sign here.
They probably tuned it out after a while and just secured themselves in the event that the ship got hit
@@Aidanhatesyouall “side effects include, Death, being frozen solid, death due to exposure to vacuum”
Part of life in star fleet. Space travel isn’t always going to be a picnic.
Even though the Romulans "won" in this instance, because the Enterprise found out about the ruse, it forced the Romulan Commander to reveal that she had been a spy. As a result, Star fleet could now review all of the "Ambassador's" record to see what areas of security might have been compromised by her espionage.
Coulda really helped here in Picard season 1. Freaking romulans pretending to be Vulcans
Commodore Oh sends her regards
@@Sarah412100 yes, and wasn't she the SECURITY CHIEF?
@@Sarah412100 Honestly, given the purpose of the Zhat Vash, Commodore Oh really did nothing wrong.
@@AdmiralKarelia Espionage is a crime everywhere.
"Take us to the neutral zone warp 8!"
"Reverse course. Warp 6"
Picard rushing in to start a war but taking his time to back out. Class
Picard is saying "you have this hand and I'm leaving, but I'm not going to looked like a whipped dog cowarding for ocver."
Warp 6 is the cruise speed of the galaxy class vessels.
I'm more curious why the Devoras was going home at Warp 2. It's like they were walking away reaaally slowly, looking back to see if the Enterprise was going to chase them and teasing them to do so.
@@AdmiralKareliaWarp 2 was the agreed upon approach and departure speeds, prearranged for the transfer of the "ambassador".
@@AdmiralKarelia, as Han Solo would put it, they were “flying casual.”
This is one of the most brilliant series ever created and it has aged well.
Except for the fact nobody ever enables captions on clips from any TV show.
That is one of the best portrayals of a romulan ever. He does not yell and almost whispers, calmy. He's already won the game and is merely waiting for you to realize it. He's already prepared for sore losers, the second raptor you never knew about decloaks off your starboard flank. It was there the entire time waiting incase this very thing happened. Even after repeated loud, threatening interruptions from Picard the Romulan calmy returns a silk wrapped threat that he is not ready to start a war, "today". 1 vs 1, then 2 vs 1, suddenly 3 more for 5 vs 1 yet still he remains calm. The harshest his words ever get is when he pulls the silk back just a little while saying his patience has "limits". He wins before he fights so he doesn't have to, and if forced to fight then it changes nothing and wouldn't last long. Hell he was cruising at warp 2 and let's the Enterprise catch him because it was powerless.
More of this Romulan please! Make it a double shot.
Well they are related to Vulcans so perhaps they retained some of those unemotional responses.
I noticed this too! It's how almost eerie how calm Mendek is!
That’s the criminally underrated Alan Scarfe.
Well, there's a bit more to it than that because the Romulan really isn't ready to start a war. He has enough backup to destroy the Enterprise easily, but if he does, it will mean war with the Federation, and he doesn't want that. Picard knows this, which is why he doesn't back off straightaway even though he knows he's in a weak position tactically. The Romulan then concedes just a little bit, by admitting to the spying operation to show that he isn't actually holding an ambassador hostage. But Picard doesn't want to start a war either, and he also doesn't want to get his ship destroyed (he would if he had to, but on this occasion the stakes aren't high enough to die for), and the Romulan knows this too. It's a game of poker, as Data says. Nobody really wants to start shooting, but somebody is going to have to back down to diffuse the situation, and given the strength of the Romulan's hand, it isn't going to be him. So Picard knows he has to fold, this time (but at least he's found out the truth, which means he hasn't lost completely). Again, just like a game of poker between two experienced and savvy players.
MAN! I miss when Star Trek was fun and interesting. Not this WOKEtastic stuff.
I remember watching this episode as a kid I felt chills as soon as Picard said "Red Alet All Hands to Battle Stations"
I'm still feeling chills today.
Still do
1:17 errrrap errrap
'Alet'?
@@markfox1545A lot alet!
Mendek has the Enterprise in the same situation that Tomalak thought he had them in in 'The Defector'. But Mendek didn't threaten to display the Enterprise's broken hull on Romulus. Mendek was in fact in a position to do so here.
Like I said in my comment just then, he seemed like more of a reasonable romulan!!! Maybe even the kind that peace could've been negotiated with!!!!!!
Mendek didn't want to start a war. Tomalak did.
Ummm ... do you people never pay attention? 0:48 - "the ship is still in the neutral zone". In "The Defector", Tomalak tricked Enterprise to enter Romulan space. So not. Nowhere near the same situation.
I also have the feeling that Mendek knew exactly that Picard wouldn't back down, that he would be willing to risk a shooting war for a chance to rescue his own people. Highly likely because Mendek would have done the same thing had it been a Romulan that was kidnapped by a Federation ship.
@@ricksimon9867 It doesn't matter where an ambush happens. The end result would still be the same, and the Enterprise crew would still be dead/captured, whether a war started or not.
Picard just got completely outplayed by the Romulans in this episode. I really liked that for a change.
I did too. Despite the fact the Enterprise came in weapons hot. The 2nd warbird basically was extra display of power and even if the Enterprise started to fire, she would've been heavily damaged after the fight. The 2 war birds would also be heavily damaged or possibly destroyed. But luckily Picard knew he was made and was looking at a losing position. Best to run and wipe off his bloody nose and live to see another day.
Silver lining though - Picard played his hand long enough to learn that the Federation had been compromised by spy. As bad as that was, it would have been worse to not even know.
The Federation got outplayed, but then again, it was by the Romulans.
@@leviwright6231 2 warbirds would have meant the destruction of the Enterprise. 1 is a match or more for a Galaxy class, 2 would be suicide to go up against.
@@compmanio36 2 vs 1 is still bad in the eyes of the Enterprise. They still would've knocked out one Warbird and damage the 2nd. Bud yes in this case the Enterprise would be destroyed if both Warbirds coordinated the attack.
Data's Day is the episode I use to introduce newcomers to TNG: Good plot, good character descriptions, and Data is just likeable!
2:40 I love how the main viewer shows the side of the guy instead of just showing the front of him like a normal TV would.
it's 'wrong' - you can't see around an object on a modern screen by moving your head; it's a flat screen. Screens don't work that way.
And yet they had to block the actors and position the cameras and composite that shot specifically get the effect. They didn't accidentally blunder into it. They did it on purpose.
So the only other alternative is this is a weird 3d screen, where you actually can see different perspectives depending on where you're viewing the screen from.
So basically the show gives us this really subtle bit of worldbuilding, where we find out the main viewer is like a 3d holo display, and yet there isn't a single line of 'as you know, ha ha ha' dialogue, because it's just something normal to them.
So subtle, but so great
That's such a cool observation. I love this episode, and now I like it even more.
Yes, most Viewscreens in ST are holographic 3D displays...but that's nothing new and established for close to 30 years in technical documentation.
@@houstonhelicoptertours1006 And most people aren't going to bother to read technical documentation for a fictional show. But the showrunners purposefully showcased it, and then instead of drawing attention to it, just left it at that, because, like you say, nothing new and established for decades. I've seen so much bad exposition in science fiction, and this is just done so well and so subtly
They've had this effect on viewscreens since TOS I believe.
@@doltBmB No way? I've seen the movies ofc, but my experience with TOS itself is limited. That's awesome
1:13 this is how a well trained crew handles red alert. everyone is so calm that it's almost pedestrain like.
Like soldiers ready for battle. Fear is a state of mind that must be suppressed when necessary.
Because they're under attack by something every three days. This is normal
I just realized the red alert sound in TNG is the same as the one from TOS.
If you watch and really pay close attention to TNG, you'll find a lot of nods and homages to TOS. Some are obvious, but some you need to be paying close attention. I've been a fan and watching Star Trek series and movies since the mid 70s and have seen every ep of every series a million times each, but I'm sure even I have missed some of them. I find more all the time though. I think Voyager has more nods to TOS though. Especially the doctor, or EMH. He was always saying "I'm a doctor, not a....blank blank". However, I don't think I ever heard him say "He's dead Katherine!" LOL
Goosebumps when Picard calls out 'red alert!' and everyone just calmly gets ready for "battle stations"
If Picard doesn't wave his hand when he says "engage" will the Enterprise still move?
Yes, but he'll have to tug on his uniform shirt twice as hard later on.
@@toddsmitts alternatively riker has to perfom a riker maneuver to balance out the meme particle field
No, all existence will revolve around it as it stays stationary, giving the illusion that it is moving.
@@peter4210 Meaning he'll straddle the chair a little extra when he sits
“A Spy”
“A patriot, captain”
That exchange gets me every-time!
Exactly, every spy in the eyes of the enemy is a hero in the eyes of their own,
I always loved how they wrote the Romulan's. They must have had someone who was critical in their thinking on the writing team.. Because they always managed to nail the "opposition" that came from the Romulan interactions. A good enemy and not quite an enemy for the federation..
The Romulan Admiral was in a charitable mood. Calling those reinforcements forced Picard's next move: retreat. And he let him go unmolested; true to his word, he was in no mood to start a war.
Imagine how confused everyone else on the bridge is. The senior officers go in for a routine conference and then suddenly you're declaring war on the Romulans.
Worf is like, what the fuck?...oh well, suits me.
''Some days you get the bear, some days the bear get you''. River summed it all up right there.
The brevity and quality of the writing here is excellent.
Will never stop loving how fuck-huge D'Deridex class ships are.
That's why they call them Double-D's.... OK I just made that up.
But it's mostly just empty space. The ship was clearly designed to look menacing to its enemies. We saw in the Dominion war that tactic did not work in major battles and instead these warbirds performed poorly. Likely explains why we saw the Valdore class ship which was much more conventional in design.
This is top notch Sir Stewart.. you could quite literally feel the distaste he had in his heart and soul for having to have not only been played by “T’Pel” but to furthermore have to tuck the tail of the Federation’s Flagship and “retreat” back into Federation Space.. not only the tone in which he says engage but the over the shoulder sharp point (whereas in almost any other moment he calls out “Engage”, his point is direct and infront as if he’s gazing down his finger like a sight line, leading the way..) Here however he throws his ‘Signature Gesture’ disdainfully over his shoulder, visibly disgusted by the very order he just had to utter.
Well, the entire Federation was played by T'Pel. I think that's what was under his skin.
This was, and is still, one of my favorite scenes in TNG.
Zoomers take note: THIS is how dialogue should be written and how scenes should be filmed!
Amen brother
A noble scene from a more civilized time.
STD:"My name's space Jesus Michael Burman, I'm right, your wrong, I will win regardless of the situation and then we'll all cry about it and come to a mutual understanding through shared feelings".
I'm not sure Zoomers write the new Star Trek series.
@@vivthefree STD was literally nothing more than a lecture on woke politics.
Whenever they do characters' thoughts, it throws me for a loop, 'cause they _never_ do it.
Same.i wasn't expecting to hear Datas internal dialogue. It seems out of place. However I dont mind it if it only happens once in a while
that was the whole point of this episode : Datas Day at the beginnign he says hes recording and noting everything in order for it to be used for research
I like it a lot actually.
Try DS9's In The Pale Moonlight.
"Captain, you're not going to start an incident which may --"
"Admiral, I will do whatever is necessary."
Picard showing how a grown man can be both civilized and dangerous.
Romulan for, you’re in the wrong part of town son!
Picard was silently raging at being forced to dip
This is one of my favorite episodes!! “Data’s day”, he tap dances with Dr Crusher and it’s hilarious!!
What a AMAZING scene and that beauty shot at the end to top it all off. God they do not make Star Trek like this AT ALL anymore.
They sure don't. Star Trek is shit. It's dead.
3 years ago and this pops up on my feed now.
Funniest thing to me, is they felt they needed 5 Warbirds to make Picard back down :D
This encounter was later used against Picard in the episode "The Drumhead" when Admiral Satie accused him in a hearing of participating in a conspiracy against the Federation on the mere basis that he stood up to the Admiral on the behalf of crewman Simon Tarses having lied on his application to Starfleet.
Looks beautiful! Love the quality! You can tell how disgusted Picard is at 4:05. He didn't want to back down but he knew he had no other choice. Unfortunately.
I love the two distinct usee of "Engage". The first is quick, energetic and ready for battle, then the second is the opposite, an almost defeated wave. 😅
Great scene when Picard orders red alert and battle stations. Well done.
I still can't believe the writers had Data uttering a ham-handed redundancy like "past experience."
All this technobabble... i'm still in awe how Brent could remember it all so perfectly well. I think this was from the episode "Data's Day". One of my favorites that experimented with the narrative structure and was one of the only episodes with a voice over narration.
Its a script. Actors are used to memorizing scripts.
@@LordTalax the OP meant that one of the characters was narrating as the story unfolded, to help you, the audience member understand what other facets there were to the story - I.e. Data's emotionless perspective.
Riker's "old Alaska saying" may have prevented a devastating war
"Heading for home.."
Riker was provoking his Captain with that comment. Picard didn't need it. Red alert!
"Admiral why did you leave so much negative space on the left of your feed- oh. That's why."
I love the "I assure you: there is no one held captive aboard this ship."
Great Romulan line: factual, but not truthful. Perfect.
0:59--“The safest and most logical decision in this situation is to contact Starfleet and await further instructions. However, based on past experience, I project only a 17% chance Captain Picard will choose that alternative.”
Picard: Red Alert. All hands stand to battle stations!
Sounds like your projection was correct, Data!
1:04 One of my favourite moments. Absolute leadership.
That final shot of Enterprise coming about and heading away from the warbirds is I think one of the greater shots of her
The script for this show was in one of my reading books when I was in middle school
The Romulan Captain is standing off center on the view screen suggesting another person will walk into view.
That romulan was actually very reasonable!!! Tomalak was ready to attack when the enterprise was outnumbered by two warbirds, so that he could take the enterprise's broken hull back to romulus!!!!!
I’m not sure reasonable would be the way I’d describe him. It was more like he knew that he’d won, that no matter what the Enterprise did, the Romulans would come out winners. They had their spy back, practically gifted by the unwitting Starfleet and the Enterprise was too heavily outnumbered to do anything than a suicidal attack which would have kicked off a war neither side wanted.
I do sort of regret that more couldn’t have been resolved by diplomacy.
I imagine romulans gaining far more satisfaction from power plans than from all out combat.
@@madskillz808 I would've thought that too, until hearing how their ships were the same colour as their blood. That would've been like the terran empire making themselves look even more terrifying with red starships. :(
The irony is Tomalak came off as comical. The Romulans were the Federation's match. It's just their behavior sometimes was stupid and made them come off as comical. Their first appearance on the show was threatening. But then Tomalak made them come off as comical. "The Mind's Eye" - the torture scene was somewhat comical but that's because the ending makes it so, it's like the Romulans are destined to fail against the Federation, then "Reunification" does seem kind of comical as well.
The other episodes were dead serious episode. "Tin Man" was probably the most menacing the Romulans were because they actually fight the D.
The Romulans pride themselves on plotting and getting away with it, only when it comes to bite them in the ass, it's actually kind of funny.
Romulans: give Picard the slip
Picard: …and I took that personally.
Cool scene. Looks great in HD.
Moral of the story: If you meet up with Romulans, expect some cloaked warbirds around that back them up. The next time the Enterprise was in the neutral zone, they brought some cloaked friends of their own.
This is not correct. You are thinking of the 3rd season episode the Defector. The events of that episode happened before this one.
@@dnddetective Correct, surprised almost no one realized this.
Engage is one of my favourite sayings
I say it to myself whenever I accelerate on an open highway, particularly if It’s know if it’s roughly course 270 or what-have-you
That’s got to be a Ron Jones theme, he really could convey the tension perfectly through his music.
It's classic-sounding and yes it's a Ron Jones episode. This is before Dennis McCarthy and Jay Chattaway really took over the show and the show got more militant.
Data: “I project only a 17% chance Captain Picard will choose that alternative.”
That number went to ZERO about two seconds later! 😂
I didn't ever see Picard back down like that, he didn't though did He?, He showed Balls! Timely advice from No 1. Sometimes you decide better when you know that it is a 'Friend' behind You.
at this scene...the derridex seem to be equivalent size to the galaxy...
Funny thing about this is this episode is set a year after the incident when they had two Romulan warbirds vs the Enterprise and the secret 3 Klingon birds of prey. The Romulans never knowing if Picard might have them are forced to reinforce their 2 warbirds with 3 more ships. Lot of resources just in case Picard might have extra ships.
Good reminder. Romulans overprepared in order not to be caught off guard underestimating Picard.
Picard was in a different scenario here, though. In "The Defector", he was responding to a potential threat developing in real time, thus very wisely prepared hidden backup resources in the form of cloaked Klingon ships.
Here he was following strict orders from Starfleet. Those orders were effectively chains on his options.
Combine those chains with the Romulans overpreparing, this is the only result possible.
Ladies and gentlefolk, the musical stylings of Mr. Ron Jones. It’s a shame that Seth MacFarlane did not manage to snag him for _The Orville_ , but at least we got four seasons on TNG of this master of orchestral soundtrack wizardry.
I like that he left at Warp 6 not Warp 8. He walked away not ran.
Among the many great elements of this scene, I love that they used a bit of Ron Jones' Romulan theme music when the warbird decloaked. They really should have kept doing that, as they did with Jerry Goldsmith's Klingon theme.
Picard's most annoyed "Engage" in the entire series.
That was a difficult admission. Another man would have been humiliated to say those words. Another man would have rather died than retreat.
If the roles were reversed and the Romulans were more open to war, I could def seeing a battle being triggered there
Makes sense since technically the Vulcans were the ones who made First Contact. It's plausible the transporters, engines, shields, weapons .etc from the Federation would have Vulcan signatures meaning their tech would be very similar to the Romulans.
Except that the Romulan migration from Vulcan happened during the time of Surak. They left Vulcan in 12 sublight generation ships that took a century or more to reach the Romulus/Remus system. Their tech, especially their advanced tech, is entirely home grown.
@@jamesbuchanan4414True, but all tech functions on the same principles.
Modifying transporter frequencies might be as simple as modifying European generators that supply power at 240 volts 50 Hertz to 60 Hertz and splitting the voltage in half to become compatible with American standard - a few modifications ahead of time, and you'd never know there was a change in the first place.
And given the "ambassador" was a key element in arranging this transfer in the first place, it wouldn't be difficult to get such fundamental specs over to her comrades to make such preparations, as every first year basic civilian course in transporter engineering would contain such data.
The side view of the Romulan bridge shows off the subtle use of holographic technology used in the viewscreen. A normal screen wouldn't show off the side of the room. The amount of unrecognized effort these people put in constantly blows my mind.
One of the most tiresome shots in sci-fi is the roar of the engines followed by slow acceleration like a truck in first gear. I love that trek uses a short burst to overcome inertia and glides off of that burst.
The Enterprise is ALWAYS the only star fleet ship near the neutral zone; reinforcements are always at least 2 days away at maximum warp 🙄
This is how Data should have been consistently written.
I'm gonna pretend Picard and Mendek met again during the dominion war, with the Enterprise saving the Romulans from an embarrassing defeat by the Jem H'dar. Picard quips that he's glad to help them once more.
This is one of my absolute favorites of STNG I'm grateful you posted it
3:23 that violin/trumpet cue always gets me, son. Beastin'
This Picard vs what we got now!!
This Picard was the actual character, not a masturbatory fantasy by Patrick Stewart, which is what's portrayed in the new show. This is why you never let the actor write for their own character.
Picard then: intelligent, confident, pure badass
"Picard" now: *a gay robot*
Same charecter
He's old and worn out, but it's still him. 😔But I guess for some fans seeing your favorite character fall low and not balance back in an episode or two just isn't the same. People like their heroes in their heyday, not their twilight years. If this is how you prefer Picard, then leave the Picard series alone. It'll only disappoint you even more.
@@girl1213 You are an idiot! Old age does not change someone's character in that way. Furthermore, we had no problem with TOS characters getting older and frail.
They got pretty comfortable about the neutral zone. It used to be a big deal when one of them entered it. Now they have conferences there.
Picard got pwned. The Enterprise vs. 5 warbirds. Not a good day
well this Admiral has taken into consideration that there is always the possibility of Cloaked Klingon birds of prey. the next time this would happen, The Enterprise comes in with a takeon fleet. to 1up this play by the Romulans.
He brought a poker hand to a chess game.
@@ZuluRomeo The Romulans definitely had the cards this day.
I’d like to add that it wasn’t a total loss, now that Picard and Starfleet were aware that it was indeed a Romulan spy, they could know the information compromised and try to make changes and such to fix it best they can
@@Livestreamatic Great point. Picard at least forced the Romulans to show their cards. He could have not gone back to face the Romulans and they would have never known 100% that T’Pel was a spy.
I love when this is brought up in The Drumhead.
This series lost so much when Ron Jones was fired.
Gotta admire that dual order giving riker and Picard have done
what
@@LordTalax Picard & Riker could practically finish each other's sentences.
It was pretty convenient that everyone was silent while datas thoughts were spoken.
Both were them all thinking
No yellow alert, just 0-RedAlert would stress me the fuck out lol.
"I predict that there is only a 17% chance Captain Picard will choose this logical alternative, because he's an insubordinate idiot cowboy.
Based on my calculations, I should be running this ship".
I came here for 1:14
The best part of this episode, is that it shows: Sometimes, the good guys lose.
I'm digging how tactile operator swings the console for Data to replace her.
I dislike how it wobbles and is obviously cheaply made. This is the flagship of the Federation for Goddsakes.
2:47 thank you data.
I identify best with him out of most fictional characters. I’m a logical person
INTP?
See in today's Science fiction this would just lead to a space battles... TNG could be so restrained and refined.
That’s what makes TNG unique and awesome, it’s less action and more politics and philosophy
@@Livestreamatic Some of the most imaginative episodes of programmes have been because lack of budget TNG prime example is The Drumhead and I think Disaster.
The wonderful experiment of families on starships only lasted from 2364 until 2371. And ended at Veridian III
The music in the first few seasons of TNG was superb. Shame Berman forced the music into boring strings 'chords' and not much else for the latter seasons. Apparently he said the music was too distracting. Utterly moronic.
Man this is such a good scene
Star ships are talking face to face then one turns around and leaves
Anyone ever notice how the Romulans seem to have a number of ships on the border & the Federation generally has the Enterprise & maybe two other ships in semi close range?
Romulans are more paranoid and aggressive. The Federation seeks peace with them, this would be hard to achieve if they made the border with the neutral zone a military checkpoint.
The remaster is amazing. Gotta say though, the reflection of those streaking stars (on the table) shouldn't be going at the same angle 🙈
"Red Alert. All hand stand to battle stations."
"Cpt., hadn't we better just walk instead?"
They don’t make Star Trek like this anymore 🥰
“ All hands to battle stations”
Or if you’re British
“ WE SHALL BEAT THE QUARTERS”!
The thing that often surprises me is that, by the 24th century we're often supposed to believe that humans "live in paradise" and "have evolved beyond what we are today". They don't have the same selfish drives we do, or the needs to have them. They are optimistic, and often look for the "nicest" option in many scenarios. Obviously, this isn't always true; I've watched plenty of Star Trek to see this veneer slip, and humans be much more like we are today, but still...
Conversely, the Romulans, one would think, would have an amazing poker game/face. EVERYTHING about them is deception, intrigue, and getting the best for themselves. It's weird that the happy humans ever come out on top with the shifty, sneaky, Romulans. Maybe it's just because it's always Picard and crew, from our perspective? Oh well.
Love the static ball light on the Romulan ship
Admiral Mendek's patience has limits...unlike the Romulan bowl cut hairstyle which is both infinite and ubiquitous! We salute you Romulans--pageboys everywhere stand up a little bit taller because of your treacherous ways!
Data’s day is a great episode
Can you imagine a very angry looking Galaxy class ship with its shields up in all of its weapons completely charged hauling ass straight towards you?
Lmao... At that point how do you not completely shit your pants?
And think of how often that actually is something a federation ship would do.... So, when you see it happening it probably means some crazy shit is about to go down lol
All weapons to maximum!
The captain that was testing the cloaking device in the episode “The Pegasus” WAS right. That stupid clause in the treaty between the Federation and the Romulans that forbade the federation from developing cloaking tech was the biggest mistake the Federation made in a treaty.
It kept them from being on equal footing with the Romulans and Klingons for almost a century.
"Take us out of here...but not too fast. Fuck em'"
1:21 - Red alert, Plot advancing, all background characters clear the bridge.
Always wondered why they confronted the Romulans with only a lone ship. Should have had an entire fleet. The only exception I remember is the confrontation with Tomalak, when they had Klingon assistance.
Probably no time to get anybody else there before the Roumlans crossed back into their territory so Picard had to go in alone.
@@WizelBalan Clearly would have been a futile attempt anyway.