You can also factor in the amount of gasoline you didn’t have to purchase. Your energy bill goes up, yes, but you aren’t filling up four cars with gas every week. Rough guess of $50 per car per week would be over $10k.
@@LONELY-x9k it’s a fact it can even be break even is just icing in the cake .. thank you all EV drivers .. me my family and Earth and so many other creatures say “Thank You “
Hats off to Dan for being totally transparent about all the costs and charges involved throughout the whole process and laying it out for us . If you factor in the gasoline costs , it also adds up by a lot.I don't know why i like your videos but seeing lincons face have a smile and your interactions between each other evolve throughout these years makes me look back at my life and have a smile.I grew up watching lincon and you from my childhood. also funny note: 699th view
I live in the UK and have a 3.98kw system and it paid for itself in 5 years, its only a small system compared to yours but it all helps the environment
Nice video but oh my gosh I didn't expect you to use 75'000 kWh. I know you said it at the end that someone without electric cars would only use ~30'000 kWh. But for me it's such a big number compared to the 3'500 kWh an average household in Germany uses. Could you please make a video about your biggest energy consumers. I guess it's going to be the AC. Still so much power... Fun fact the German price for a kWh right now is 48 cents, so here it would have been 36'000$
I'm in England which also has high (and rapidly) rising prices - it amazes me how USA just eats though cheap energy! If their prices ever significantly go up, will be a big culture shock!
In the USA, it's common for people to spend dozens of millions of dollars to make a massive mansion with every home automation you can imagine and STILL they miss the ONE crucial design choice at the get go; the passive house standard! I'm about to move into a much smaller townhouse in the northeast that's been certified to meet passive house standrards and the annual energy consumption estimates are about 2000-2500 KWH! No I don't have an EV yet but we choose a combination of cycling, public transport and a car. These numbers are truly ridiculous and honestly, absolutely incosiderate for the environment!
@@panchalpratik So true, I mean I'm from Germany and we also have a house. The energy comsumption for 4 persons is about 5000kWh (we are not among the thrifty people anyway) but 50.000-75.000 is just insane and makes me sad about our environment. Wish such people would live in Germany where they have to pay like $0.4-$0.5 per kKw which would make 25-30k$ per Year
Thanks Dan for being transparent with the costs of everything in this video! This is very helpful for people like me who are in the market for solar panels.
I think this just re-enforces the need for EVs to have bi-directional charging as standard. Your EVs could act as powerwalls for your home when not in use, adding value to the cars and your solar setup simultaneously. I'm hoping the Cybertruck will offer this as an option. Otherwise I'll be looking at a lightning in a couple years.
Newer Teslas may adopt the 800 Volt standard, as well as their current 400 Volt. This would mean that the charge time would drop by half (Power = Volt x Current), so if the Voltage doubles, while the current remains fixed - and Current is what makes things get hot; this is all a good thing. Power dissipated (ie heat) is Current^2 x Resistance. So doubling the voltage with the same current, just means a little more insulation on circuitry, and even a small drop in current makes a HUGE difference. Its looking like the CyberTruck may be one of the first vehicles to adopt both the 800 and 400 Volt standard
Dan, please give an update a year from now. As you stated, you were without Solar for several months. Your savings would have been much greater and thus the years to recoup the investment would have also been less. You only had the solar for about 2/3 of the year.
Same with me - i have heard people say that street visible panels reduce the price of the house. I think that's silly because i would pay more for a house with solar, and i think it makes the house look more modern.
Absolutely shocking how much electricity you use in a year, even considering the 4 cars. I live in europe, and can power my house over a decade with your yearly consumption.
The American value system is so messed up! A 7500 sq ft house that consumes 76,000 KWH Annually which required $20,000 of an initial investment to cover year-1 offset of 25,000 KWH vs a choosing to build a 7500 st ft PASSIVE house from the get-go that consumes WAY less energy and broadly-speaking, building a holistic lifestyle that's centered around greener choices. Cheap gas and electricity in this country compared to the rest of the world has led to frivolous lifestyles! I appreciate you sharing the one year update and the numbers but it still means that there's 50,000 KWH annual consumption of electricity in a state like Utah where almost all the energy is generated by burning coal! These type of numbers feel wholly alien to expats and people living in any other country where the GDP per capita is much lesser than that of this country and those people still manage to have substantially lower CO2 emissions per capita! Shocking!
Very much appreciate the transparency on the costs. We’ve had our solar + powerwall setup for about 9 months now and we love it. Where we are (Western Michigan), our estimated payback is around 15 years. But we also put value on not losing power. We’ve had 4 power outages of varying length since getting our setup. We’ve had power during the entire outage due to our setup. An important thing to note is that if you do not have the battery component of this setup (powerwall or otherwise) you cannot power your house during an outage due to back flow up a line they may be working on (at least that’s the case in Michigan). So to us, having the battery component was a must.
you don't have a house, you have a compound and a very beautiful one at that! that said, I'm in northern Wyoming and looking into adding solar to power my home and woodshed where I use a lot of electricity to run the big woodworking machines where in the past when I was using them everyday ran the bill up to over $600/month. So thanks for this video, it was very helpful
I would use a bit of soap on those solar panels to get the dirt out. It’s like rinsing a car without soap - there will still be some dust residue. Unless it doesn’t matter because it’s just going to get dusty again the next day
Here in Slovenia we installed 18 kW of solar on our house and all that cost will be ofset in only 7 years (all the instalation cost only 17.000 €, but we will save 2500 € every year). And no, we don't have crazy high grid electricity prices: only 0.13 € per kWh during the day, and 0,08 € per kWh at night.
I think this really highlights that a solar set-up will be unique to people. I mean for you, if electric was more exspensive, ROI would have been sooner. You only have west facing panels (which you accept is less optimal). But in theory, better placement of panels would generate more, so your demand from the grid would be less.
Sorry if I missed it, but did the calculations include the months where they weren't working or weren't selling energy back to the grid or was the final number an estimation if they had been working properly for the full year?
@@johnnormandia758 thats a good point, because he could have added in the cost of the average car to fill up at a gas station as part of his calculations.
@@WHATSINSIDEFAMILY But that is not fair calculation then. Next year when solar will be working all year long (not just half a year), the numbers will be much better. Here in Slovenia 18 kW of solar cost us only 17.000 €, and we save 2500 € every year. So less than 7 years for the solar to pay for itself. And our electricity price is similar than USA average.
I wonder what the outcome would have been if you went with the Tesla Solar Tiles instead of building with tradition roofing and then adding traditional solar...Considering you would be capturing the solar power on the front of the house without compromising aesthetics.
Here’s a video series or channel idea. “What’s inside an entrepreneur”. I don’t know how you got to be so well off. Your channel didn’t start off that way, then boom! If you did something right that you can share with other people, I challenge you to do it. Except, it can’t be just a TH-cam channel. All the best. You seem to be hitting it out of the park.
Also it depends on how your electricity supplier generates the power they sell to you. If it's mainly renewables then the co2 produced by the production of the solar panels might not be as good for the environment then just buying the extremely cheap electricity from them
One cost you may have to take into account is the cost of water that you used to clean those panels. I don't know how much water is in Utah but certainly cleaning them regularly isn't cheap... Something to think about.
Instead of looking at the positive impact of your solar panels, you should consider the negative impact of your insane electric usage. The average US household uses 10.7k kWh and you have 50k kWh not offset by your solar panels. So you're still consuming 5x the normal US household after your solar offset.
@@mertarif1039 Not really, if you see the construction of their house series, you'll see that they use a lot of electricity. Also their cars don't help
Our house is on the larger size. We also have a full office with employees as part of that sq ft. We also drive all electric cars. If we didn’t drive electric, solar would cover all energy needs.
Good point about panel orientation. We have Tesla Solarroof and they were able to put tiles on most roof surfaces. We get generate power from dawn to dusk. But trees get in the way during winter and really impact production.
On mayor thing you forgot about it being a financially sound idea. The amount of energy you’d be producing if you actually installed it on the south facing side. Wouldn’t be surprised if you’d produce 50-80% more energy!
Great overview, I just subscribed to your channel - quite impressed. I did notice that your analysis did not include "fuel savings" on your vehicles. I must ASSUME that you top off your vehicles at home (perhaps a faulty assumption), but this means that this is a savings of (now ~$4.25+ /gallon) of gasoline that you are NOT burning. I have no idea how much your family drives, but for my wife and I this would be about $300/month is gasoline savings alone. Your solar system is fixed and set in place. Your production and your cost of production are now Fixed mathematically. However, there is not a similar set point for either electricity, Federal taxes, State taxes or pump prices - so while your costs are fixed, everything else will fluctuate. I am willing to wager a soda of your choice, that in the next 10 years, energy costs to the consumer will go up.
17.4 metric tonnes displaced over 12 months is a significant amount with great potential if it ever reaches widespread nationwide adoption. But.... "there's always a but" But the other side of that coin is the amount of CO2 released by everything else thats used to service the world's economy. One of which is the global shipping industry that burns Bunker fuel at a rate which is not easy for a individual to relate to.I gave it a shot and ran the numbers after doing some research, finding that one large container ship will burn around 63,000 of Bunker fuel per day which breaks down to 30.36 tonnes of CO2 emissions PER HOUR!! So it would take 41.87 years for his solar to offset the emissions of a single container ship for one single day. I'm not being negative here, rather optimistic really! But Only if the human race ever decides to work in its own best interest rather than that on the individual who might most benefit. Either way I'd like to commend his efforts for being a early adopter of both the technology and the mindset which understands what we do to one another we also do to our families and ourselves. Since we all live here in the same house , if your track dog poop in the house, then the whole world will have to smell it...
my idea is eventually a simple system to power a whole house fan, a chest style fridge, some led lights and a battery charger station for communications and radio. Keep these items separate from the grid stuff so if and when power dies you may not have the big screen or toaster oven etc, but you will have survival basics. While were at it a full pantry of food and a giant water tank storage for piece of mind.
I think another stat that would’ve been helpful is what the production looks like for the batteries, the power walls and the solar panels. I know that battery manufacturing is not kind to the environment. They use a lot of non renewable resources to make batteries for electric vehicles, for example.
My grandfather is looking into solar systems, the only problem is we get basically every kind of weather including snow. I personally build many HHO systems using water, I do like to play with other means of energy, and I think we should look into wind power though. thanks for the video and update, I like this kind of discussion video.
I subcontract for SolarEdge in New York, and when you were talking about the invertors crashing with the surge, they definitely installed them the incorrect way the first time, and didn’t do what’s called a invertor verification test, which basically tells you how long it takes for the invertor to turn on and if it’s less than 5 minutes, the device is no good because it’s essentially turning back on immediately and not giving the system time to process what happened.
Wow, that price per KWh is amazing. In Europe (Czech) currently (end 2022) goes prices up to 0,85 USD per KWh. Just image that with your massive comsuption. Just to put that in perspective, average year salary is around 22K :D
Solar numbers should be factoring in the gas prices if you had a standard 2 car family. The savings would be stronger & payback shorter. Not to mention with Powerwall &gateway you do have that ability to keep basics going if there is a outtage.
So the meter didn't prevent power from leaving your house to the grid, the meter was not measuring how much you were power you supplied to the grid so you were giving power to the power company for free until you upgraded your meter
the interesting thing is that problem may appear in 20-30y, - when we gonna need to dispose our panels. what our options would be? how will it work? How much we would need to pay?
Thanks Dan for the video in Australia it is very different due to the local market electricity is much more expensive I have a similar set up (12kW solar plus 1 Powerwall) total cost $ 24k in 2020. My electricity bill is in credit or negative 8 months of the year only cost $60 - $80 a years payback between 7 - 8 years however I do not own a EV. When I get one I expect it to go up it would be interesting to see how much usage does the 4 EV’s have.
With all of the water waste, ridiculous power sucking tech and the cooling / heating energy costs of this giant house, it doesn't make much sense to talk about being green. You also haven't talked about the environmental impact of producing the panels and getting them delivered to you. I do support the message, and you said some important things so I'm not only criticizing. Bringing the power costs in your area into consideration, both the financial and environmental costs, is important. The direction of panel installation to make the panels more efficient is important (although you've made a questionable choice for esthetic reasons). Cleaning the panels is important.
Wait so on average your home uses the electricity of 10.5 homes? With your savings you still use the power of 7.1 households... I mean if you really wanna save the environment you should probably get a smaller house
yup, only like the vid because it promotes solar but they use so much electricity... I live in southern California (which has far more expensive electricity and sunlight) and have an EV but am super frugal and barely use any electricity otherwise, and solar panels would be barely worth it for me
0.06$ per kWh? That's incredible! We are paying 0.38$ per kWh here in The Netherlands. We live in a 1,076 sq.ft. appartment and use 1,500 kWh per year, so it's not that bad all in total.
Nice video. Very informative, and I very much appreciate your transparency Looking forward to seeing an update after a year to see now that your system works closer to optimal and now that you better know how it works. Also, do you have some type of surge protection or something to prevent your inverters from dying from dirty electricity again? Also, it is interesting to see here some typically American thinking. Namely, you claim that the environmental impact of your energy use is important to you, and you are boasting about the amount of carbon your solar panels saved from being emitted. However, your house is spending nearly as much electricity as a whole apartment building would in Europe, and I bet that it is not because you must spend that much, but because you can. Is there some space for savings? I don't think things that would drastically change your lifestyle, like not using air conditioning or heating, but things like how efficient is your heating, how well insulated your house is, are you using pool heating and air conditioning all the time, or only when you need to, etc... Because in addition to saving CO2 from being emitted by producing clean electricity, you are also doing it by using less electricity more effectively
You have no idea how cheap your energy costs are. I believe here in The Netherlands we are currently paying between €0,21 and €0,28 per kw depending on where you live. Meanwhile you only pay $0,06 = €0,058 that is insanely cheap.
Sorry man, but solar panels are not ugly, put them on the front of your house and harness that energy!! On another note there has to be an economical invention to clean the panels! Mine get dirty as well, but it rains enough to clear them off. Be careful on that roof!! Really nice cleaning system you have for them, where are they from? I usually have have to clean snow off and that is a lot of work, I have a 1 story place.... Also, using microinverters would have helped you a lot, did you figure all your down time in? Anyway, great vid still!!
In belgium it's like 0.37dollar/kwh. And we don't have a lot of sun. We have a lot of rain. It rains the whole year except in the summer. in the summer We got long dry periods and than we got short really hard rain periods that destoy farm fields. And we ain't got mountains, so we can't use the rain at hydroplants to create electricity.
That’s great and all, but 30% of your homes energy is equiv of 17 tons of CO2? That is staggering excess. Average European footprint is around 7 tons per year per person which is still too much. That’s everything associated with that person, home, energy, food consumption, travel, purchases. That said, it was an informative video!
Your payback calculation of 30 years is flawed in that you didn't take into account the cost of energy from the grid increases at an average rate of 3% per year. This makes a huge difference over the cumulative warranty period of 25 years for the system. I haven't done the math, but even with your cheap power you are realistically probably looking at something more along the lines of 15-2- years.
technically he has potentially 4 x ~80kwh powerwalls on the wheels. but when we gonna get ability to connect it into the house power system - we don't know yet.
I am wondering why you didn't install Solar panels on your East facing roofs as well. A Solar array that faces both East and West produces almost as much Energy as a South facing Solar array. The key to this is the Solar panels begin producing Energy earlier in the day and produce Energy later in the day, and are at peak output for a longer period of time than your typical South facing panels.
One statement you made was confusing. You said the panels only have a useful life of 30 years. However, doesn't the Tesla warranty said the panels will be generating 80% as much electricity 29 years from now as they did when first turned on? For that matter 30 years after that, i.e. 60 years from then they were installed they will probably be generating 64% of their original amount, based on warranty info. Real world experiences actually suggest warrantees over estimate the lost and 60 years from now they could be generating 80% of what they generated in the last year. So useful life of only 30 years, what do you mean?
I got lucky to be able to rent my panels from Tesla and it has been worth it for sure. I do wish I had the battery back up so it would save me more money. Next year info will be different since you have everything tuned in now.
Hi mate, great video for the USA. I am a solar installer in Australia. I thought you may be interested in our solar figures We have very high power prices and are blessed with plenty of sunshine. Power is from $0.18-$0.40 cents AUD depending on time of day, retailer etc. Most jobs we do have a payback of 2-3 years. Very very fast. We have the highest uptake of residential solar in the world. Average size is about 8kW of panels. Very few people have batteries. I am a certified Tesla Powerwall installer, and I use mine every day at home. We are installing heat pumps for hot water. Induction cooktop and heat pump home heating and cooling. Also inverter pool pumps and a heat pump pool heater. All up we have NO POWER BILLS AT ALL. With rebates in my state, we can have 6.6kW of panels on a 5kw inverter installed for around AUD $3500. ABOUT $14,000 AUD more for a Powerwall fitted. It is not good for ROI. I am interested in your thoughts?
we have a situation here in the US where the power companies are in a war with their customers and the rules keep you tethered to the old system. Happy for you and that it's working out...making the most of one of the many resources you have....THE SUN
you should get pvc and put some holes in it (for each row of panels)then attach and a hose to it then it will spray water on the panels so you don't have to go up there and clean it your self... big brain sry good video dan
6 cents per kwh! I get paid only 6.25 per KWH and PAY 24.5 or 26.5 per KWH here in Belgium for my electricity! So yea, we have a much quicker payoff. We also paid €12,000 euros for 6kwh plus 10kwh of battery, but will get back €4,200, so €8,000 or so total cost. For us (assuming no extra price hikes, which have gone up for new contracts 30% this year!) it's only 5 years for us to have payback on our whole system most likely. Maybe 6 depending on things, but yea, March to September we are almost all solar, in October to February production is way reduced, so we aren't as efficient. Our battery is good for 2,000 cycles and panels are 25 to 30 years.
Oh I feel you... We've just installed solar panels and also have the solar edge invertor. It crashed after 2 weeks..... (Waiting on them to replace it now)
What about the process of making solar panels? That's what people don't think about, when this is considered "clean energy" with an efficiency of about 17-23% and that is when the sun directly hits the panel, which is about on 30 mins of the day. Also, heating, re-heating, tossing out a lot of bad wafers that don't meet specs. The emissions that are released in the process of making silicon (which is also mixed with sand and carbon) and then turning silicon to wafers as well as the waste that is not being used. "Naturally occurring quartz crystals of extremely high purity, necessary for the crucibles and other equipment used for growing silicon wagers in the semiconductor industry, are expensive and rare."
@@Montagic No they don't, when solar panels are exposed to outside elements, the cones reflect and refract light to keep the suns array properly hitting the solar wafer start getting damaged, those cones are not cones anymore therefore the efficiency gets reduced drastically.
I agree solar panel production isn't clean but their output isn't as bad as you suggest. If you look at a solar insolation chart you can see that even in the northeast US we get the equivalent of 4 hours of direct sunlight each day even in the winter. Fortunately solar cells can use silicon which is of a much lower standard than regular electronics, and panels last over 30 years with little decline in output.
Well hopefully with more being produced, companies will improve the design and continue researching to make them more efficiently and more environmentally friendly. It's gonna take time, but we must continue improving them.
@@WHATSINSIDEFAMILY I saw the calculator but I was wondering if say the plant you get power from is coal or nuclear, etc. Like the company I use they offer a plan that would only provide you power from "green" sources. Not sure how that works but they offer it. The calculator just showed what your equivalent usage was compared to like coal or gasoline. If I missed it, my apologies.
@@illuminayt When you opt for a plan with "green sources" it is only a financial support for the power company to deploy or maintain these green sources, your electricity still comes from the same sources (green or not) as people who do not pay more. It would be way to expensive for the power companies to deploy two separate electricity networks, and the losses in the wires would also be significantly higher (which is not green at all)
two things i want to say...energy prices will increase but you have to take into account of the solar panels degradation also. plus cleaning and water cost
The solar installer should have handled the meter when installing the pv the fact that they didn’t inform the utility company to request it as part of the paperwork or mention it was really bad as the utility could have ordered you to both delay the turn on to protect its workers (such as when maintenance or outage). as it could have possibly had you require increasing the main ring to the property to assume the they just assumed between the cars and pool plus house you wouldn’t be exporting, what makes this even worse is they didn’t check even when adding the second and third array
Yeah, when solar panels came out, I always wondered uh...why can't they just cover ALL the energy cost of your home.. until they are this efficient...not worth it.
Where I live in Missour,i my electric company does not buy the extra solar power from me. It was going to cost me $90,000.00 to buy & install around 36 solar panels. I have a house plus a shop where I could put panels on both east & west, that's how the sun rises & sets @ my house. So I decided it wasn't worth it for right now to install solar. The main reason was bc the electric company does not buy back the solar power from the system I would of installed on my 2 buildings. When your on a fixed income, $1,100.00 dollars a month, & have a $600.00 month solar power bill, it's like a 2nd mortgage. My house is paid for so it would not be worth refinancing my house just for $100.00 month savings. Remember the electric company does not buy the extra solar power from the solar output. To me that's not right for the amount of money it would cost me to install the solar system., $90,000.00 dollars. I could also put 2 times the amount of solar panels in my field $ supply my Mothers house, she lives behind me, with solar panels too. But there again the electric company does not buy the solar power from me. So it's not worth it to either one of us IMO for that price. Chris from Missouri
$90k is a lot of 36 panels. My neighbors here in Massachusetts got a similar size system last year and I believe it was about $30k. In Missouri I would expect the installation labor costs to be lower. Have you considered a company that will rent space on your roof ? I believe that's what most people do because there's no upfront cost.
@@eDoc2020 I've never heard of renting your roof before. I might look into that. I get sun all day so that's why I can handle that many panels plus more if I choose so. I also have 2 1/2 ac. that could be used if I didn't want to put them on my house. Then I'd have to have a sun tracker then & my kids & grandkids wouldn't be able to play in the yard. So I just want to put them up out of the way. Then I start to think about when I'd need a new roof all those panels would have to be moved..... Ha ha can't win for loosing can I? Have a great day, Chris
You need to put into consideration that he lives in a very sunny place and gets more energy then someone in like Wisconsin where they don't get that much sun light.
Mad envy for 6 cent KWH! Currently paying almost 40 here in the UK. Since the recent price hike my monthly bill is going to be more than yours and I live in a 600 sqft apartment!
As someone else mentioned, it would have been amazing if Teslas have bidirectional power as it would help with not buying power walls. That along with gas savings may make this a very interesting proposition. Now I am very curious on the numbers in such a setup.
No matter what, solar is always worth it. In Denmark where I live, electricity is expensive at the periode where everyone is using, like at dinner time or in the morning. So having a Powerwall to fill when solar (or even the grid) is cheap and you can use it when expensive. That will not only save you money but take the load off the grid.
You forgot to consider & discuss the environmental impact it took to get the resources, to manufacture & to transport the panels & battery. And, the environmental impact they will have when their useful life is over. We can cross our fingers that recycling batteries & panels may improve in 10 yrs. & 25 yrs., respectively. But, the odds are more likely that new much more efficient battery & panel materials & technology will be developed by then & efficient means of recycling old school panels will have been left by the wayside. Of course, only time will tell regarding the backend environmental cost. But, the front-end environmental costs can't be ignored.
I'd like to see the numbers of just your home WITHOUT the energy needed to charge all 4 cars. Recalculate without that exoense, and I you'll see a truer measure of the ROI and time of payback.
Thanks Dan This is a great insight for when I might install solar for myself. It does make me wonder though if the contraption could be engineered that could be on one's roof and self-clean the solar panels go over it with kind of like a car wash but for solar panels going up and down with a little mop microfiber kind of a brush going back and forth to clean it.
Thanks for the detailed Video. It displays many things. Planning is important. The costs could have been reduced by planning them in the building process. Using Tesla Solar Tiles would have given you more energy output without destroying the estatic. You also need to consider you most likely reduce heating up your house due to the solar pannels. That saves you additional money on the A/C. Also energy costs vary and change. In Texas for example was a Power Grid Outage start of the year. The companies charged insane sums because capitalism 🤑. Check if you could have been involved by that too. Because in case you have such a scenario you most likely have saved all of your invested money in days. But also they could generally increase over the next years because of more demand and maybe less production.
I'm happy you saved that much energy... but you still consumed 3x more energy than you generated with your solar panels. While you're thinking about your environmental impact, isn't... lowering your consumption part of that equation?
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You've also got a taking mind Dan that all of your cars are charged by your house making all your travel costs free
Just a note, it doesn't look like your calculation takes into account the NPV or time value of money, so you might want to adjust your ROI.
how is this comment 4 days ago when this video was posted 9 hours ago?
You can also factor in the amount of gasoline you didn’t have to purchase. Your energy bill goes up, yes, but you aren’t filling up four cars with gas every week. Rough guess of $50 per car per week would be over $10k.
Yeah but the cheapest Tesla costs $47,000. It would break even at over 250,000 miles.
@@abolishtheirs2019 thats not too bad
@@abolishtheirs2019 but a guy like him is going to drive cars worth more than 50k regardless if they are gas or not
@@LONELY-x9k that's a lot of money for a car for the average person
@@LONELY-x9k it’s a fact it can even be break even is just icing in the cake .. thank you all EV drivers .. me my family and Earth and so many other creatures say “Thank You “
Hats off to Dan for being totally transparent about all the costs and charges involved throughout the whole process and laying it out for us . If you factor in the gasoline costs , it also adds up by a lot.I don't know why i like your videos but seeing lincons face have a smile and your interactions between each other evolve throughout these years makes me look back at my life and have a smile.I grew up watching lincon and you from my childhood.
also funny note: 699th view
I like everything he does
I live in the UK and have a 3.98kw system and it paid for itself in 5 years, its only a small system compared to yours but it all helps the environment
In the uk it’s much more expensive, he pays £0.04 per kWh where we in the uk pay £0.16 per kWh which makes sense why it only took you 5 years
@@mjxfusionz7807 I pay £0.278 per kWh! Are you on fixed rate from before the increase?
@@chrisrdorria nah I just googled it, ridiculous the cost of electricity nowadays
very cool!
@@mjxfusionz7807 16p per kw?! wish I was on that. Fixed Tariff about to expire and going to be hitting 42p ($0.53) from start of next month.
Nice video but oh my gosh I didn't expect you to use 75'000 kWh. I know you said it at the end that someone without electric cars would only use ~30'000 kWh. But for me it's such a big number compared to the 3'500 kWh an average household in Germany uses.
Could you please make a video about your biggest energy consumers. I guess it's going to be the AC. Still so much power...
Fun fact the German price for a kWh right now is 48 cents, so here it would have been 36'000$
True, I also cannot imagine how a family could consume 30.000 kWh :D
I'm in England which also has high (and rapidly) rising prices - it amazes me how USA just eats though cheap energy! If their prices ever significantly go up, will be a big culture shock!
In the USA, it's common for people to spend dozens of millions of dollars to make a massive mansion with every home automation you can imagine and STILL they miss the ONE crucial design choice at the get go; the passive house standard! I'm about to move into a much smaller townhouse in the northeast that's been certified to meet passive house standrards and the annual energy consumption estimates are about 2000-2500 KWH! No I don't have an EV yet but we choose a combination of cycling, public transport and a car. These numbers are truly ridiculous and honestly, absolutely incosiderate for the environment!
@@panchalpratik So true, I mean I'm from Germany and we also have a house. The energy comsumption for 4 persons is about 5000kWh (we are not among the thrifty people anyway) but 50.000-75.000 is just insane and makes me sad about our environment.
Wish such people would live in Germany where they have to pay like $0.4-$0.5 per kKw which would make 25-30k$ per Year
@@gykonik It's actually infuriating and depressing at the same time! 50,000 KWH worth of carbon emissions in Just ONE YEAR! Wow!
Thanks Dan for being transparent with the costs of everything in this video! This is very helpful for people like me who are in the market for solar panels.
I think this just re-enforces the need for EVs to have bi-directional charging as standard. Your EVs could act as powerwalls for your home when not in use, adding value to the cars and your solar setup simultaneously.
I'm hoping the Cybertruck will offer this as an option. Otherwise I'll be looking at a lightning in a couple years.
Newer Teslas may adopt the 800 Volt standard, as well as their current 400 Volt. This would mean that the charge time would drop by half (Power = Volt x Current), so if the Voltage doubles, while the current remains fixed - and Current is what makes things get hot; this is all a good thing. Power dissipated (ie heat) is Current^2 x Resistance. So doubling the voltage with the same current, just means a little more insulation on circuitry, and even a small drop in current makes a HUGE difference. Its looking like the CyberTruck may be one of the first vehicles to adopt both the 800 and 400 Volt standard
Tesla is already working on it!
Dan, please give an update a year from now. As you stated, you were without Solar for several months. Your savings would have been much greater and thus the years to recoup the investment would have also been less. You only had the solar for about 2/3 of the year.
Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t mind looking at solar panels. I find they look really cool
Same with me - i have heard people say that street visible panels reduce the price of the house. I think that's silly because i would pay more for a house with solar, and i think it makes the house look more modern.
Absolutely shocking how much electricity you use in a year, even considering the 4 cars. I live in europe, and can power my house over a decade with your yearly consumption.
The American value system is so messed up! A 7500 sq ft house that consumes 76,000 KWH Annually which required $20,000 of an initial investment to cover year-1 offset of 25,000 KWH vs a choosing to build a 7500 st ft PASSIVE house from the get-go that consumes WAY less energy and broadly-speaking, building a holistic lifestyle that's centered around greener choices. Cheap gas and electricity in this country compared to the rest of the world has led to frivolous lifestyles! I appreciate you sharing the one year update and the numbers but it still means that there's 50,000 KWH annual consumption of electricity in a state like Utah where almost all the energy is generated by burning coal! These type of numbers feel wholly alien to expats and people living in any other country where the GDP per capita is much lesser than that of this country and those people still manage to have substantially lower CO2 emissions per capita! Shocking!
Very much appreciate the transparency on the costs. We’ve had our solar + powerwall setup for about 9 months now and we love it. Where we are (Western Michigan), our estimated payback is around 15 years. But we also put value on not losing power. We’ve had 4 power outages of varying length since getting our setup. We’ve had power during the entire outage due to our setup. An important thing to note is that if you do not have the battery component of this setup (powerwall or otherwise) you cannot power your house during an outage due to back flow up a line they may be working on (at least that’s the case in Michigan). So to us, having the battery component was a must.
My energy price (in Scotland) is 27.83p per kWh. If that house was here it would cost $27,000 per year in electricity 😳
Solar is super worth it in Europe, overall, even with little sunshine, well you still should make the calculations
In an age where TH-cam doesn’t even want to tell us what video quality we are streaming, very appreciative of the in-depth analytics.
Dude that 75000 number is just killing my planet 🥲🥲🥲
Holy moly that dust is crazy! It rains a lot here but... that means it's not as sunny so I wonder what's worse, the dirt or cloudy/rainy haha
you don't have a house, you have a compound and a very beautiful one at that! that said, I'm in northern Wyoming and looking into adding solar to power my home and woodshed where I use a lot of electricity to run the big woodworking machines where in the past when I was using them everyday ran the bill up to over $600/month. So thanks for this video, it was very helpful
I would use a bit of soap on those solar panels to get the dirt out. It’s like rinsing a car without soap - there will still be some dust residue. Unless it doesn’t matter because it’s just going to get dusty again the next day
Here in Slovenia we installed 18 kW of solar on our house and all that cost will be ofset in only 7 years (all the instalation cost only 17.000 €, but we will save 2500 € every year). And no, we don't have crazy high grid electricity prices: only 0.13 € per kWh during the day, and 0,08 € per kWh at night.
I think this really highlights that a solar set-up will be unique to people. I mean for you, if electric was more exspensive, ROI would have been sooner. You only have west facing panels (which you accept is less optimal). But in theory, better placement of panels would generate more, so your demand from the grid would be less.
Hi Dan we live 3 hours from your house. We are on solar with a family including 9 kids we are 💯 % solar powered in our home.👍🏿⚓️🐂🇺🇸
Sorry if I missed it, but did the calculations include the months where they weren't working or weren't selling energy back to the grid or was the final number an estimation if they had been working properly for the full year?
And also he did not take into account the deduction on the price of charging his car at home.
The calculations counted the entire year, working/not working, included the credits also.
@@WHATSINSIDEFAMILY so technically you ran it correctly for only about half a year
@@johnnormandia758 thats a good point, because he could have added in the cost of the average car to fill up at a gas station as part of his calculations.
@@WHATSINSIDEFAMILY But that is not fair calculation then. Next year when solar will be working all year long (not just half a year), the numbers will be much better. Here in Slovenia 18 kW of solar cost us only 17.000 €, and we save 2500 € every year. So less than 7 years for the solar to pay for itself. And our electricity price is similar than USA average.
I wonder what the outcome would have been if you went with the Tesla Solar Tiles instead of building with tradition roofing and then adding traditional solar...Considering you would be capturing the solar power on the front of the house without compromising aesthetics.
Here’s a video series or channel idea. “What’s inside an entrepreneur”. I don’t know how you got to be so well off. Your channel didn’t start off that way, then boom! If you did something right that you can share with other people, I challenge you to do it. Except, it can’t be just a TH-cam channel. All the best. You seem to be hitting it out of the park.
Also it depends on how your electricity supplier generates the power they sell to you. If it's mainly renewables then the co2 produced by the production of the solar panels might not be as good for the environment then just buying the extremely cheap electricity from them
One cost you may have to take into account is the cost of water that you used to clean those panels. I don't know how much water is in Utah but certainly cleaning them regularly isn't cheap...
Something to think about.
Instead of looking at the positive impact of your solar panels, you should consider the negative impact of your insane electric usage. The average US household uses 10.7k kWh and you have 50k kWh not offset by your solar panels. So you're still consuming 5x the normal US household after your solar offset.
Isn’t that from the electric cars?
@@mertarif1039 Not really, if you see the construction of their house series, you'll see that they use a lot of electricity. Also their cars don't help
@@mertarif1039 agreed, very few families have 4 electric cars, 3 that get driven daily
Our house is on the larger size. We also have a full office with employees as part of that sq ft. We also drive all electric cars. If we didn’t drive electric, solar would cover all energy needs.
While his usage is more than the average user, he is also powering four vehicles and not buying gasoline.
Good point about panel orientation. We have Tesla Solarroof and they were able to put tiles on most roof surfaces. We get generate power from dawn to dusk. But trees get in the way during winter and really impact production.
On mayor thing you forgot about it being a financially sound idea. The amount of energy you’d be producing if you actually installed it on the south facing side. Wouldn’t be surprised if you’d produce 50-80% more energy!
Great overview, I just subscribed to your channel - quite impressed. I did notice that your analysis did not include "fuel savings" on your vehicles. I must ASSUME that you top off your vehicles at home (perhaps a faulty assumption), but this means that this is a savings of (now ~$4.25+ /gallon) of gasoline that you are NOT burning.
I have no idea how much your family drives, but for my wife and I this would be about $300/month is gasoline savings alone. Your solar system is fixed and set in place. Your production and your cost of production are now Fixed mathematically. However, there is not a similar set point for either electricity, Federal taxes, State taxes or pump prices - so while your costs are fixed, everything else will fluctuate. I am willing to wager a soda of your choice, that in the next 10 years, energy costs to the consumer will go up.
17.4 metric tonnes displaced over 12 months is a significant amount with great potential if it ever reaches widespread nationwide adoption. But.... "there's always a but" But the other side of that coin is the amount of CO2 released by everything else thats used to service the world's economy. One of which is the global shipping industry that burns Bunker fuel at a rate which is not easy for a individual to relate to.I gave it a shot and ran the numbers after doing some research, finding that one large container ship will burn around 63,000 of Bunker fuel per day which breaks down to 30.36 tonnes of CO2 emissions PER HOUR!! So it would take 41.87 years for his solar to offset the emissions of a single container ship for one single day. I'm not being negative here, rather optimistic really! But Only if the human race ever decides to work in its own best interest rather than that on the individual who might most benefit. Either way I'd like to commend his efforts for being a early adopter of both the technology and the mindset which understands what we do to one another we also do to our families and ourselves. Since we all live here in the same house , if your track dog poop in the house, then the whole world will have to smell it...
my idea is eventually a simple system to power a whole house fan, a chest style fridge, some led lights and a battery charger station for communications and radio. Keep these items separate from the grid stuff so if and when power dies you may not have the big screen or toaster oven etc, but you will have survival basics. While were at it a full pantry of food and a giant water tank storage for piece of mind.
I think another stat that would’ve been helpful is what the production looks like for the batteries, the power walls and the solar panels. I know that battery manufacturing is not kind to the environment. They use a lot of non renewable resources to make batteries for electric vehicles, for example.
My grandfather is looking into solar systems, the only problem is we get basically every kind of weather including snow. I personally build many HHO systems using water, I do like to play with other means of energy, and I think we should look into wind power though. thanks for the video and update, I like this kind of discussion video.
I subcontract for SolarEdge in New York, and when you were talking about the invertors crashing with the surge, they definitely installed them the incorrect way the first time, and didn’t do what’s called a invertor verification test, which basically tells you how long it takes for the invertor to turn on and if it’s less than 5 minutes, the device is no good because it’s essentially turning back on immediately and not giving the system time to process what happened.
Wow, that price per KWh is amazing. In Europe (Czech) currently (end 2022) goes prices up to 0,85 USD per KWh. Just image that with your massive comsuption. Just to put that in perspective, average year salary is around 22K :D
Solar numbers should be factoring in the gas prices if you had a standard 2 car family. The savings would be stronger & payback shorter. Not to mention with Powerwall &gateway you do have that ability to keep basics going if there is a outtage.
Going solar will be the second thing I do after buying a house. Changing locks comes first lol
i love whats inside vids i watch them all
but including the time it didnt work you technically ran it correctly for only about half a year...kind of important
Great video! Can you share the product link to the brush you used to clean the solar panels? Thx
So the meter didn't prevent power from leaving your house to the grid, the meter was not measuring how much you were power you supplied to the grid so you were giving power to the power company for free until you upgraded your meter
the interesting thing is that problem may appear in 20-30y, - when we gonna need to dispose our panels. what our options would be? how will it work? How much we would need to pay?
Maybe you could get something that would automatically clean your solar panels. Is there no coating that would repel dirt.
Thanks Dan for the video in Australia it is very different due to the local market electricity is much more expensive I have a similar set up (12kW solar plus 1 Powerwall) total cost $ 24k in 2020. My electricity bill is in credit or negative 8 months of the year only cost $60 - $80 a years payback between 7 - 8 years however I do not own a EV. When I get one I expect it to go up it would be interesting to see how much usage does the 4 EV’s have.
Does the calculator subtract the emissions that created all the hardware?
With all of the water waste, ridiculous power sucking tech and the cooling / heating energy costs of this giant house, it doesn't make much sense to talk about being green.
You also haven't talked about the environmental impact of producing the panels and getting them delivered to you.
I do support the message, and you said some important things so I'm not only criticizing.
Bringing the power costs in your area into consideration, both the financial and environmental costs, is important.
The direction of panel installation to make the panels more efficient is important (although you've made a questionable choice for esthetic reasons).
Cleaning the panels is important.
Wait so on average your home uses the electricity of 10.5 homes? With your savings you still use the power of 7.1 households... I mean if you really wanna save the environment you should probably get a smaller house
yup, only like the vid because it promotes solar but they use so much electricity... I live in southern California (which has far more expensive electricity and sunlight) and have an EV but am super frugal and barely use any electricity otherwise, and solar panels would be barely worth it for me
U can buy power pack 200 kw for all house 🏠 and more solar panels in the other side of roof
Have you thought about where they get the minerals needed for all these climate "friendly" amenities? And how they build them?
Oh yeah and how they mine the minerals.
No hate btw, it's just an actual question cuz your reasons for getting it sounds like copium lol. Love ya
In San Diego during peak hours it’s 60 cents/kWh that’s delivery and generation charge it’s nuts
0.06$ per kWh? That's incredible! We are paying 0.38$ per kWh here in The Netherlands. We live in a 1,076 sq.ft. appartment and use 1,500 kWh per year, so it's not that bad all in total.
I think solar panels are worth it. It's just maybe if you didn't have to comprise on the south facing walls, it will be better.
Nice video. Very informative, and I very much appreciate your transparency
Looking forward to seeing an update after a year to see now that your system works closer to optimal and now that you better know how it works. Also, do you have some type of surge protection or something to prevent your inverters from dying from dirty electricity again?
Also, it is interesting to see here some typically American thinking. Namely, you claim that the environmental impact of your energy use is important to you, and you are boasting about the amount of carbon your solar panels saved from being emitted. However, your house is spending nearly as much electricity as a whole apartment building would in Europe, and I bet that it is not because you must spend that much, but because you can. Is there some space for savings? I don't think things that would drastically change your lifestyle, like not using air conditioning or heating, but things like how efficient is your heating, how well insulated your house is, are you using pool heating and air conditioning all the time, or only when you need to, etc...
Because in addition to saving CO2 from being emitted by producing clean electricity, you are also doing it by using less electricity more effectively
You have no idea how cheap your energy costs are. I believe here in The Netherlands we are currently paying between €0,21 and €0,28 per kw depending on where you live. Meanwhile you only pay $0,06 = €0,058 that is insanely cheap.
Sorry man, but solar panels are not ugly, put them on the front of your house and harness that energy!! On another note there has to be an economical invention to clean the panels! Mine get dirty as well, but it rains enough to clear them off. Be careful on that roof!! Really nice cleaning system you have for them, where are they from? I usually have have to clean snow off and that is a lot of work, I have a 1 story place.... Also, using microinverters would have helped you a lot, did you figure all your down time in? Anyway, great vid still!!
In belgium it's like 0.37dollar/kwh.
And we don't have a lot of sun. We have a lot of rain. It rains the whole year except in the summer. in the summer We got long dry periods and than we got short really hard rain periods that destoy farm fields.
And we ain't got mountains, so we can't use the rain at hydroplants to create electricity.
How about the fuel savings from charging 4+ Teslas instead of driving I C E? I don't believe this was calculated...
Haha $0.06/kWh. Greetings from Germany where we pay $0.30/kWh :D
Hi Dan just wanted to say your patience is incredible insane
omg that tesls roadster looks SO cool.
That’s great and all, but 30% of your homes energy is equiv of 17 tons of CO2? That is staggering excess. Average European footprint is around 7 tons per year per person which is still too much. That’s everything associated with that person, home, energy, food consumption, travel, purchases.
That said, it was an informative video!
Your payback calculation of 30 years is flawed in that you didn't take into account the cost of energy from the grid increases at an average rate of 3% per year. This makes a huge difference over the cumulative warranty period of 25 years for the system. I haven't done the math, but even with your cheap power you are realistically probably looking at something more along the lines of 15-2- years.
technically he has potentially 4 x ~80kwh powerwalls on the wheels. but when we gonna get ability to connect it into the house power system - we don't know yet.
I mean you have to cut the production and shipping of the panels off
But still great! I love solar
You should have also subtracted your costs for equivalent gas powered cars.
I am wondering why you didn't install Solar panels on your East facing roofs as well. A Solar array that faces both East and West produces almost as much Energy as a South facing Solar array. The key to this is the Solar panels begin producing Energy earlier in the day and produce Energy later in the day, and are at peak output for a longer period of time than your typical South facing panels.
One statement you made was confusing. You said the panels only have a useful life of 30 years. However, doesn't the Tesla warranty said the panels will be generating 80% as much electricity 29 years from now as they did when first turned on? For that matter 30 years after that, i.e. 60 years from then they were installed they will probably be generating 64% of their original amount, based on warranty info. Real world experiences actually suggest warrantees over estimate the lost and 60 years from now they could be generating 80% of what they generated in the last year. So useful life of only 30 years, what do you mean?
I got lucky to be able to rent my panels from Tesla and it has been worth it for sure. I do wish I had the battery back up so it would save me more money. Next year info will be different since you have everything tuned in now.
Hi mate, great video for the USA. I am a solar installer in Australia. I thought you may be interested in our solar figures
We have very high power prices and are blessed with plenty of sunshine. Power is from $0.18-$0.40 cents AUD depending on time of day, retailer etc. Most jobs we do have a payback of 2-3 years. Very very fast. We have the highest uptake of residential solar in the world. Average size is about 8kW of panels. Very few people have batteries. I am a certified Tesla Powerwall installer, and I use mine every day at home. We are installing heat pumps for hot water. Induction cooktop and heat pump home heating and cooling. Also inverter pool pumps and a heat pump pool heater. All up we have NO POWER BILLS AT ALL. With rebates in my state, we can have 6.6kW of panels on a 5kw inverter installed for around AUD $3500. ABOUT $14,000 AUD more for a Powerwall fitted. It is not good for ROI. I am interested in your thoughts?
we have a situation here in the US where the power companies are in a war with their customers and the rules keep you tethered to the old system. Happy for you and that it's working out...making the most of one of the many resources you have....THE SUN
U can put solar panels on the Walls too
you should get pvc and put some holes in it (for each row of panels)then attach and a hose to it then it will spray water on the panels so you don't have to go up there and clean it your self... big brain sry good video dan
6 cents per kwh! I get paid only 6.25 per KWH and PAY 24.5 or 26.5 per KWH here in Belgium for my electricity! So yea, we have a much quicker payoff. We also paid €12,000 euros for 6kwh plus 10kwh of battery, but will get back €4,200, so €8,000 or so total cost. For us (assuming no extra price hikes, which have gone up for new contracts 30% this year!) it's only 5 years for us to have payback on our whole system most likely. Maybe 6 depending on things, but yea, March to September we are almost all solar, in October to February production is way reduced, so we aren't as efficient. Our battery is good for 2,000 cycles and panels are 25 to 30 years.
maybe put an ultracapacitor bank between the grid and your house to cut out the garbage from the grid.
Oh I feel you... We've just installed solar panels and also have the solar edge invertor. It crashed after 2 weeks..... (Waiting on them to replace it now)
What about the process of making solar panels? That's what people don't think about, when this is considered "clean energy" with an efficiency of about 17-23% and that is when the sun directly hits the panel, which is about on 30 mins of the day. Also, heating, re-heating, tossing out a lot of bad wafers that don't meet specs. The emissions that are released in the process of making silicon (which is also mixed with sand and carbon) and then turning silicon to wafers as well as the waste that is not being used.
"Naturally occurring quartz crystals of extremely high purity, necessary for the crucibles and other equipment used for growing silicon wagers in the semiconductor industry, are expensive and rare."
Solar panels last a very long time at the very least
@@Montagic No they don't, when solar panels are exposed to outside elements, the cones reflect and refract light to keep the suns array properly hitting the solar wafer start getting damaged, those cones are not cones anymore therefore the efficiency gets reduced drastically.
So, should we not even try?
I agree solar panel production isn't clean but their output isn't as bad as you suggest. If you look at a solar insolation chart you can see that even in the northeast US we get the equivalent of 4 hours of direct sunlight each day even in the winter.
Fortunately solar cells can use silicon which is of a much lower standard than regular electronics, and panels last over 30 years with little decline in output.
Well hopefully with more being produced, companies will improve the design and continue researching to make them more efficiently and more environmentally friendly. It's gonna take time, but we must continue improving them.
Have you researched where the power you do buy comes from?
Yes. I discussed this in the video.
@@WHATSINSIDEFAMILY I saw the calculator but I was wondering if say the plant you get power from is coal or nuclear, etc. Like the company I use they offer a plan that would only provide you power from "green" sources. Not sure how that works but they offer it. The calculator just showed what your equivalent usage was compared to like coal or gasoline. If I missed it, my apologies.
@@illuminayt When you opt for a plan with "green sources" it is only a financial support for the power company to deploy or maintain these green sources, your electricity still comes from the same sources (green or not) as people who do not pay more. It would be way to expensive for the power companies to deploy two separate electricity networks, and the losses in the wires would also be significantly higher (which is not green at all)
@@bastienx8 This right here. Perfect explanation, kudos!
two things i want to say...energy prices will increase but you have to take into account of the solar panels degradation also. plus cleaning and water cost
The solar installer should have handled the meter when installing the pv the fact that they didn’t inform the utility company to request it as part of the paperwork or mention it was really bad as the utility could have ordered you to both delay the turn on to protect its workers (such as when maintenance or outage). as it could have possibly had you require increasing the main ring to the property to assume the they just assumed between the cars and pool plus house you wouldn’t be exporting, what makes this even worse is they didn’t check even when adding the second and third array
Yeah, when solar panels came out, I always wondered uh...why can't they just cover ALL the energy cost of your home.. until they are this efficient...not worth it.
Where I live in Missour,i my electric company does not buy the extra solar power from me. It was going to cost me $90,000.00 to buy & install around 36 solar panels. I have a house plus a shop where I could put panels on both east & west, that's how the sun rises & sets @ my house. So I decided it wasn't worth it for right now to install solar. The main reason was bc the electric company does not buy back the solar power from the system I would of installed on my 2 buildings.
When your on a fixed income, $1,100.00 dollars a month, & have a $600.00 month solar power bill, it's like a 2nd mortgage. My house is paid for so it would not be worth refinancing my house just for $100.00 month savings. Remember the electric company does not buy the extra solar power from the solar output. To me that's not right for the amount of money it would cost me to install the solar system., $90,000.00 dollars. I could also put 2 times the amount of solar panels in my field $ supply my Mothers house, she lives behind me, with solar panels too. But there again the electric company does not buy the solar power from me. So it's not worth it to either one of us IMO for that price.
Chris from Missouri
$90k is a lot of 36 panels. My neighbors here in Massachusetts got a similar size system last year and I believe it was about $30k. In Missouri I would expect the installation labor costs to be lower.
Have you considered a company that will rent space on your roof ? I believe that's what most people do because there's no upfront cost.
@@eDoc2020 I've never heard of renting your roof before. I might look into that. I get sun all day so that's why I can handle that many panels plus more if I choose so. I also have 2 1/2 ac. that could be used if I didn't want to put them on my house. Then I'd have to have a sun tracker then & my kids & grandkids wouldn't be able to play in the yard. So I just want to put them up out of the way. Then I start to think about when I'd need a new roof all those panels would have to be moved.....
Ha ha can't win for loosing can I?
Have a great day,
Chris
you should do a video to see how much you would have to sacrifice to be at break even for a month or to have a surplus.
You need to put into consideration that he lives in a very sunny place and gets more energy then someone in like Wisconsin where they don't get that much sun light.
Mad envy for 6 cent KWH! Currently paying almost 40 here in the UK. Since the recent price hike my monthly bill is going to be more than yours and I live in a 600 sqft apartment!
Whoa!?!
Really Informative and I got to learn something new!
Could we get an update on Lincoln’s sneaker collection
As someone else mentioned, it would have been amazing if Teslas have bidirectional power as it would help with not buying power walls. That along with gas savings may make this a very interesting proposition. Now I am very curious on the numbers in such a setup.
No matter what, solar is always worth it. In Denmark where I live, electricity is expensive at the periode where everyone is using, like at dinner time or in the morning. So having a Powerwall to fill when solar (or even the grid) is cheap and you can use it when expensive. That will not only save you money but take the load off the grid.
You forgot to consider & discuss the environmental impact it took to get the resources, to manufacture & to transport the panels & battery. And, the environmental impact they will have when their useful life is over. We can cross our fingers that recycling batteries & panels may improve in 10 yrs. & 25 yrs., respectively. But, the odds are more likely that new much more efficient battery & panel materials & technology will be developed by then & efficient means of recycling old school panels will have been left by the wayside. Of course, only time will tell regarding the backend environmental cost. But, the front-end environmental costs can't be ignored.
I'd like to see the numbers of just your home WITHOUT the energy needed to charge all 4 cars. Recalculate without that exoense, and I you'll see a truer measure of the ROI and time of payback.
76348 kWh per year would be a bill of around 22K EUR in Germany if pulled from the grid. HOLY MOLY.
He uses ridiculous amounts of energy, even after factoring in the car.
Took forever to clean my solar after that dust storm too!
The actual costs discussion starts at 9:00. You're welcome.
Thanks Dan This is a great insight for when I might install solar for myself. It does make me wonder though if the contraption could be engineered that could be on one's roof and self-clean the solar panels go over it with kind of like a car wash but for solar panels going up and down with a little mop microfiber kind of a brush going back and forth to clean it.
Are the solar panels nice?
Thanks for the detailed Video. It displays many things. Planning is important. The costs could have been reduced by planning them in the building process. Using Tesla Solar Tiles would have given you more energy output without destroying the estatic.
You also need to consider you most likely reduce heating up your house due to the solar pannels. That saves you additional money on the A/C. Also energy costs vary and change. In Texas for example was a Power Grid Outage start of the year. The companies charged insane sums because capitalism 🤑. Check if you could have been involved by that too. Because in case you have such a scenario you most likely have saved all of your invested money in days. But also they could generally increase over the next years because of more demand and maybe less production.
Thank you so much for this video. I cant wait to see what the statistic would be in four years.
In the UK electricity costs 28-38p per KWH.
You have to remember that you can also get the solar roof tiles which cover the entire roof which would be better
You wouldn't necessarily do the entire roof, also those are way more expensive, so the time to pay it off would be even worse.
I wish we could have got that. It’s not available in utah where we live.
I'm happy you saved that much energy... but you still consumed 3x more energy than you generated with your solar panels. While you're thinking about your environmental impact, isn't... lowering your consumption part of that equation?