I agree, it's the most versatile way to travel and camp. That's why I purchased a new truck and truck camper last year and have put over 30,000 miles on it traveling, camping and visiting friends and family. Another pro is the ability to visit family on extended stays and you have your own personal private apartment and separate transportation. I've done it numerous times and it's an awesome way to visit. 2021 F250 and 2021 Wolf Creek 840 here.
@@Hogdriver88 7.3 Gas SRW axle. Handles fine. With a full load, I can climb the steepest grades as fast as I want. As far as handling, It's not a Miata but it's amazingly stable. 3,114 Lbs of payload.
We love our Lance 1172.❤We are full-time and I'd like to add if your using the camper for vacations here and there a 3500/350 dually will get the job done. NOW for full time travel where your going off road boondocking a lot. I would step up to at least a 4500 /450 truck. We love the fact we can drop the camper and have our cabin separated from our truck to explore and run errands etc. The Lance is a great 4 seasons camper that we've put it to the test and it always surpassed our expectations. ❤❤❤
Had that Lance for a full 10 years and it gave us a host of great memories. Such an awesome unit. No regrets. Huge thanks for tuning in and sharing your experience! Come back and visit again. Our travelling is over for this season, but in 2024 it's off to Alaska with the trusty F350 and camper.
This fella's voice is good enough to be a professional voice actor/announcer/narrator in big budget productions. So it's pretty cool to see him use it on a fun independent channel where he can use that voice to say whatever it is he wants to say. Also, that's a really nice truck camper. It packs away pretty well, and when fully deployed gives an absurd amount of interior space.
Thanks for your kind words and for being part of my journey. Come and visit often - and particularly when you need a little 'picker-up'. And you're right - that camper truly has an absurd amount of space. Coral (who is truly claustrophobic) and I have lived in it for up to six weeks at a time.
I was just trying to see if I would want to get into the RV/camper life, and I’m sold for sure. Not only was this video super helpful but I can tell how much fun you both have living like this. Thanks and keep up the videos
Thank you for being part of our journey - and for your kind words. For us it strikes a balance between the conveniences we've come to enjoy, and an ability to be completely spontaneous in terms of when and where we park. 26' of total length for us has been a winner.
Coral and I find that 'getting away' in a fashion where we don't have to pack and unpack suitcases etc. and can 'be in the same room' (our mantra from when we first met) is an amazing experience. If every anything that you want to know further about truck and camper, just shoot me an email with coordinates, and I'd love to chat further. howard.kettner@gmail.com All the very best!
My wife and I are at retirement age and recently purchased a new truck and almost new camper. We did our homework before making the decision, but even so, in hindsight may have done a few things differently. Your comments are spot on, and I would highly recommend your video to anyone contemplating a truck / camper purchase. Great job!
Huge thanks for tuning in! Here's wishing you happy and safe travels. In hindsight I think there is only about 3 dozen things I'd have done differently - hahaha - but here's to the journey.
Howard. I'm facing the issues that you addressed here; and you put light on my thoughts and decisions. Great content and format; thank you. Steven, Utah, USA
I believe at some point everybody goes through this choice process of prioritizing type of RV. Your presentation was one of the most informative and well explained I have viewed viewed. I am currently in a flat bed, hardside pop-up DIY camper. It's on a 1995 Toyota T100 rear-wheel drive V6. Equipped with eight 100 watt solar panels and 400 ah of batteries. This is set up for 1 person and I find it very functional. I am a full-timer.
Great video and accurate evaluation of pros/cons. I’m currently on a class B but am in the process of purchasing a truck and camper now. The only thing I think I will miss is the ability to go from the cab to my living space without getting out of the vehicle. But there are many pros that negate that single con. Happy travels to you both. 😊
As a solo female, that is the Big con for me... Not being able to quickly get from living area to driver seat should the need arise. I would hate to be in a position where I was either trapped in the camper or running outside into some danger to try and get vehicle out of there....
@@MommaOsoIrish67 inn5 years one only had one bad experience and it was while I was away from the van. Really, if someone is determined to “get you” all they have to do is disable your wheels…van or truck doesn’t matter. 🤷🏻♀️
@101taiga That's good to hear! But I'm not just talking human threat. Where I live, national forest lands, plenty of beautiful but remote opportunities, the wildlife AND natural disasters are also things one might needr be prepared for. Of course, no matter how prepared you are, one never really knows. I've been in a pop-up tent camper, with children, while a bear trashed the camp around us! Although armed, I didn't want to test my tool of self defense against the bear if I didn't absolutely have to do so...(what if all I did was piss it off??) I guess I'm more wary now because if the way our world has so vastly changed since those days..it's hard to predict what is ahead. Will we be headed into "desperate times"? I used to think a strangwrcwas just a friend I hasn't met yet. Thankfully, my bad people experiences have been far outweighed by the positive ones.. I guess it's all down to trusting our gut, and listening when itbsays something. :-)
We have a GMC 3500 HD DW 6.6L Duramax, Deleted with tow tune in it. We have a BigFoot Camper dry weight 2450 lbs, we get 21 litres per hundred km with it loaded and 15.5 camper off. One thing I call a PRO is not having to license the camper or inspection, also less toll cost because of less axles, also ferry fees are less due to short length and camp sites are less too. We always leave the camper on the truck for insurance reasons, if it’s not on the truck and something happens to it like a fire or damage it’s not covered, but on the truck it’s covered. You did a great job on this informative video.
Thanks for tuning in. Love your unit. While there are a lot of things I like about my unit - I'd never get one this big again. It's just a beast. Lots to love. Lots I'd do differently. Great list of pro's that I'd not talked about. thanks you. PS - I have my camper off of the truck most of the time - because I probably need to use the truck at least once every couple of weeks for a day's duty without the camper. Found an insurer that gives me full value coverage for $240 per year.
For sure - a slide is not light. Definitely pay a price for that. Just something about the truck/camper combo that works. Here's to many more years of your enjoyment with yours. Thanks for tuning in.
Hi there. I m glad you are doing a video on proper handling of heavy campers, the motion I think you are referring to is called roll - Sway is where if you were towing a trailer behind your truck.
Would be nice to try before you buy when it comes to truck campers. Not easy to do but when you mentioned roundabouts etc it made me realize that there are so many driving conditions to test and so many different truck /camper configurations. When spending $50-70K I would be frustrated at my purchase if I did not at least somewhat know how the vehicle is going to react under ordinary driving situations. Thank you for your video.
You could not be more correct. 10 RV's over 3 decades have taught me that one needs to factor in about 5% above the initial cost for bridging the gap between expectations and reality - whether that is adding solar panels, enhancing suspension, etc. In my experience - despite best efforts and all of the pre-purchase research that I do, it seems like there are one or two really good questions that I failed to ask.
I keep changing my mind between a truck camper and a Class B for one major reason, and that is the immediate access you have to the cab of a Class B in case you should want to get away from a situation in a hurry, and you don’t want to have to get out of the camper and then walk (or run) to your truck. Am I just being paranoid? But like that either units give you the ability to stop along the way at attractions. Great video! Thanks!
Thanks for tuning in and commenting! There are definitely puts and takes to both. I hear of a couple of incidents in out of the way campsites, where campers felt that they might be in danger and just drove away in situations like you've implied. That has caused me to be very vigilant and intentional about where I park. For me what it came down to is that I needed a one-ton pickup truck around our hobby farm and building projects, and having a truck and camper means one less engine and drivetrain to maintain.
@@howardkettner Appreciate you getting back to me so quickly. Your choice makes sense in your situation. Have subscribed to your channel. Safe travels!
Having been boondocking for months on end in my truck camper going on 7 years now with my wife we have yet to find a situation where we needed to get in the drivers seat in such a hurry we couldn't from the camper. Also, even with a Class B you probably just can't up and leave without raising a stable jack or removing some kind of leveling block, etc.
@@flyingdutchman7585 thanks for responding. Yeah, I never thought about the possibility of having to deal with leveling equipment. Thanks again, and safe travels!!
Good discussion. Airbags a must in my opinion. Really good tires/rims. And don't forget packing properly, I've seen plenty of campers off kilter due to improper cargo balancing. Have many, many miles on my 2007 Eagle Cap 950 on a Chevy Silverado 3500HD diesel. Best way to travel for me. Happy journeys to all, whatever you choose.
Great video - I’m soaking up knowledge like this so when I get around to it, I’ll do it right the first time! Love the truck, the stance and the whole setup. Thanks!
Well done , great presentation One of the main problems I see with a van type camper , is the narrow, and confined head space , you have much better open feeling in a truck camper, compared to a van
Glad you enjoyed it. Sometime in the next two weeks I'll be talking about a camper with even more headroom, less bulk, a little less floor space, due to one less slide, but lots more storage . . . Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey.
New to the channel, can't wait to see more of the content. We just purchased a small truck camper from Scout and made a 8400 mile whirlwind from our home in the Upper peninsula of Michigan, across Canada, down into the states through California and then over to Salt Lake City and then home. I do believe the camper is a little on the small side for us, but do truly enjoy the ease of driving, whether it be downtown Banff or cruising through Yosemite. May have to upgrade to just a bit bigger setup. Going to have to go back and watch more of your videos. Thanks for the great insight. 🇨🇦🇺🇲
Huge thanks for being part of my journey. Wow! That was a whirlwind trip! Thanks for sharing! Always so hard to guess at what would be the right size. What I would do differently next time is try hard to eliminate both slides-outs. I'm good with a 4' overhang, but I just gotta think that in the long haul, those slide outs will cause grief.
Being a Semi Truck driver I look up all the time sign for height might be wrong I have a 1978 f250 4x4 with a 66 Ford special slide in camper,I modified it a bit with a full shower and separate bathroom awesome video first time watching God bless be safe ✝️🇺🇸
Currently on my 3rd truck/camper set up, all have been 11ft models.. unlike trailers there are no extra tires, wheels or electric brake maintenance and therefore no axles,( no registration or licences fees ) simply move your license plate from your rear truck bumper to the camper. Great video, absolutely agree on suspension upgrades..
Interesting that you mention the trailer braking systems. I'd not mentioned that in the video, and whether with a travel trailer or any other trailer at some point or another during ownership that becomes it's own challenge and issue. Thank you for visiting Bill! Really appreciate your perspectives.
Some States/Provinces may require the license plate to remain on the truck. This should be checked for the State where the vehicle is registered. The same applies for taxes and registration.
@@Harry-zz2oh Ohhhhhh - good point. Highways regulations are generally provincial/state jurisdiction, and can vary. Just found this statement online: "Driver licensing and vehicle registration in the United States are handled by the state government in all states but Hawaii, where local governments perform DMV functions."
Great video I have a host triple slide with a Ford 450 The Ford 450 has 19.5" wheels and tires and heavier suspension I would not recommend air bags. Just get the camper package The last thing put 1" spacers above the leaf Springs.
Hey! Mike - I agree on all counts. After much back and forth with others who have more experience than me, I've concluded: - The next truck with be the F-450 with the camper package. Among other things the F350 turning radius is horrible. F450 is awesome. - Camper package with the heavier suspension. - Love the suggestion of 1" spacers above leaf springs. I love the stance and hence the stability that come with my existing wider wheels and tires - so would transfer my existing wheels package (American Force, 10 bolt, 20"- not cheap) over to the new vehicle. Huge thanks for being part of my journey of learning!
Great video for a newbie camper like me. Bought our truck and camper 2 years ago as a package used. 2008 GMC 3500 dually diesel 4WD. 2008 Lance 992 camper. Never camped before or drove a truck with a camper and it took a while to get used to that weight but we love the set up. We ordered a 2022 Lance 1172 camper last November and are still waiting for delivery up to Canada. I agree with you about the versatility of a truck camper to pretty mush go anywhere and park anywhere in a small town or village. We are still learning. We ordered the new camper with extra solar power lithium batteries a generator and a cell phone antenna booster. I did put airbags on my truck to help with the weight and stability. Our Lance 992 is over 4500 lbs. we prefer the layout of the 1172 with the rear couch as an option to sit instead of always in the dinette. Happy trails. 👍🇨🇦
Wow! Congrats on the order for the 1172! You'll definitely need to reach out and let me know how you like it! Sounds like you've ordered all the right stuff in terms of options. About twice a year Coral and I will browse a few lots, always looking at our options, and every time returning to our purchase of the 1172, and to paraphrase a line out of the Raiders of the Lost Ark, remark to each other "we chose wisely". Happy RV'ing (from Kelowna, BC to you). 🇨🇦
Nice to hear back from you. We are looking forward to the new camper. We didn’t think it would take this long to come after we were told 8 months and now could be a year or longer for delivery. We traded out 992 in on it. Now Lance is making the 2023 models. They’ve made a number of changes on the new 1172’s and they look amazing. Our Canadian dollar sucks though and so does Turdeau 🇨🇦
I like this guy lol. I’m looking at several different cab overs. First is an Arctic Fox, a Lance and a Palamino. Not 100% yet on which, because they each have their own pros and cons.
I'm going to be most interested in hearing your perspectives as you reach a conclusion. I don't think I've ever explored a Palamino, but I've heard good things about Arctic Fox, and have acquaintances that own Arctic Fox and speak very highly of that brand.
Great content! New subscriber here. I'm planning to het out and teavel more and do more hunting and fishing. I have plans to eventually convert a rolling chassis '94 F250 4x4 longbed(2 door) Supercrew cab into a flatbed camper host. As of now I have 5 F250 4x4's and just picked up a military trailer that houses a former military electronics shack which I intend to eventually put on a smaller trailer or directly into the bed of my '85 F250 diesel for overland treks. I just got it so there's plenty of planning and work to do to decide how it's going to function. I don't want or need anything fancy as I've just returned from an over 3,500 mile round trip across 8 states in 5 days in an old M1078 LMTV RV conversion. It was luckily just converted to better axle ratios that allows it to travel at 72-74mph as compared to the original 58mph. It was a hot trip as the rv and the truck both have no a/c. I will easily manage a small window mount a/c unit for this and with the excellent insulation it will be efficient and more than effective in hotter climates. I appreciate the modifications so many people have done to make their shelter space adequate.
the fact is, the wider outward the wheels or tires, the more sway or lean, due to the leverage being further out from leaf suspension points, think of the modified outward wheels as an additional extension bar like the breaker bar, but again lucky you beef up the leaf springs as well. Thx for sharing great info.
Thanks for tuning in . . . Great explanation on the 'leverage' applied by the wider wheels . . . Wish I'd thought of that and mentioned/explained it in the video like you did.
Good video….We have been to RR museum in Revelstoke, awesome. I like your Canadian accent. We have had all kinds of camping units. Your camper looks great.
I’m only 51 but I’ve been praying for cataracts for years! I can’t wait to ditch my lifetime of contacts and glasses. Last month my prayers starts to be answered - my optometrist finally noted the first signs! Back on topic, my parents just switched to a class B precisely due to the climb into bed issue. Mom’s knees can’t take it anymore.
All the best for your cataract surgery. Simultaneous with the removal of cataracts, the specialist inserted a lens giving me 20/20 vision for the first time since I was 12 (am now 67). In fact I was in for my week 1 checkup today and the vision tested better than 20/20. I hear you on the bed issue. We spend a few nights testing out a travel trailer recently and that one thing (no more climbing up into the bed) had significant appeal. Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey.
Some people are adding a short ladder so they can access the cabover. I'm planning to do so for my Lance 915 camper. I've fallen a couple of times and it isn't fun hitting the floor. One person uses a regular stepladder which has wide steps so it is easy to move and place where you want.
I just found your channel, I really enjoyed your presentation; ironically I have been thinking about going with a cabover camper for our F 450 so we could tow our offroad Landrover to our great Rocky Mountains in Colorado, and be able to enjoy the Landrover trails. We usually tow our 40 foot fifth wheel and so can’t take our 4x4 with us. We do like the space of the large lance cabover campers and will be looking for an affordable used one in the near future. Thanks for the suspension upgrade information 👍🏼 God’s Speed!
Wow! Thank you for your kind words and thanks for tuning in . . . Please do keep me posted. I think you'll be really happy with the space of the Lance cabover . . .
Wonderful, wonderful video! My wife and I are looking into getting some form of camping unit. I would prefer the truck camper and she would prefer a tow camper. Your video will help me get the truck camper!
Good choice! My wife and I thought we were somehow depriving ourselves so we did actually buy a 20' trailer from a reputable brand. Fortunately, the RV prices were spiralling upward at a fast pace so after a couple of months we got our money back and ordered an up-to-date camper. Video coming within the next 3 weeks. Spoiler alert - we opted for the Arctic Fox 1140 for reasons that I'll articulate in the video. Twice in our first week of travel we got into the last spot in the RV park because we only need 25'. (We're pretty spontaneous and don't like our reservations to dictate the pace of our trip.)
there ought to be a way of using your camper jack to lift those probane tanks for you. Something that wouldn't take a lot of gear or use something you already keep with you.
I'm ok lifting them at this stage of my life, but not all buyers/users (including my wife) would be. Fortunately, folks at propane refuelling outlets are always willing to live a hand - and typically I put two full tanks onboard before loading the camper. The reduced height makes a huge difference as you might imagine. Thanks for tuning in!
I have been truck Camper since I've 16 years old 12 truck campers we have or 2nd 1172 and we ordered or F350 Ford Lariat Truck camper package I comes with a 450 rear end 3:55 rear end with a sway bar from the Factory! I have a Spring man install 2 springs in the rear end 1 more helper and on the main 1 down another main spring and all problems handle! Now sway and perfectly level! Guess what I'm only 11'10 Love it I fit in my 12' Garage door! Your 1 foo higher! now throw those air bags out waste of money and buy some goo spring not all that after market stuff! No sway and down the high GREAT!! I've doing this for Years the only way to go:)
Thanks for sharing your experience. Always great to meet another 1172 owner. I should have done a better job of clarifying what my height measurement includes. I've got a Yakima rooftop carrier where I keep some super light but bulky stuff for longer trips - otherwise my height measurement would be same as yours. I had airbags initially installed - at the RV dealers suggestions. You are right - they don't work - in fact for reasons I won't get into here they actually made things worse. Like you I got additional overload springs installed - and beefed up the torsion bar as well. Love how it handles. It's as easy and carefree now as driving a passenger car. Again - thanks for tuning in . . .
Hey! Thanks for tuning in and commenting. Your point is well made. My perhaps less well articulated point was that prior to the wheel replacement and suspension changes, there is was a lot of sway, and hence a lot of driver nervousness even taking those corners at 5mph under suggested.
Very informative, very well spoken, nicely edited. Good job! I'm very curious about towing with and extended truck camper and how that works. I have a 14ft enclosed trailer that I tow my motorcycles around with and having a truck camper would definatly cut hotel fees when out of town for rides lol. A video on that would be awesome!
Hey! Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey. And thank you for the video topic suggestion. Will do - but not likely till Spring as I'll not be likely have the camper onboard again till then. In the meanwhile, here is one of my videos in which, as part of other subject matter, I do talk about all the fundamentals, how my tow rig is equipped and the roles of the truss-hitch extender and the trailer ball weigh scale. Your 14' enclosed trailer should not be an issue subject to tow vehicle capacity. I've routinely towed a 26' cargo trailer loaded with ATV's and a 20' flatdeck - with camper onboard the tow vehicle and the camper extending nearly 4' beyond the truck box. Part 1 th-cam.com/video/4TVoEghaMgI/w-d-xo.html
I have owned two truck campers since 2009 when I bought my first one. It’s still the best rig for my needs. I tow a cargo trailer with my motorcycles and extra camping gear. A toy hauler means I’d have to unload my motorcycles every time I stop to camp, which isn’t feasible when stopping for a quickie overnight stop while enroute somewhere.
My buddy has insisted I purchase a dual-wheel one ton truck like this for my cab-over camper! One of the things you may have missed mentioning is to warn those who insist on buying a single-axel one ton truck need to be warned about getting a flat tire on the rear! With all that weight, a single-axel one ton will cause all that weight to bare down on the wheel and damage that too and that is even more expensive! Furthermore, under the right conditions, the wheel digging into the ground has no traction, of course, and may cause a sever sway that could cause you to lose control. I can think of other things like the outside on a turn could have a blow out and cause you to roll over as well! Lots of negative possibilities, which is why with all that weight you should strongly consider a dual-wheel rear axel for a large camper!
Thanks for tuning in. Great point. I just feel so much comfortable in a dually. Maybe that is just an illusion, but for me, it's peace of mind. Here's wishing you all the very best.
Yes, but some positives to the single rear wheel as well, like two less tires to go bad, especially the inner ones with a dually. Limited room at toll booths., construction sites, road repair areas, (you know, that get very narrow with cement barriers on both sides..) Not to mention the increase in fuel consumption, and loss of miles per gallon . The trick is to find some balance by applying some suspension alternatives ie., extra leaf springs, sway bar, perhaps some Timbrens to combat any sway on off road maneuvering, premiums tires with higher weight ratings and paying attention to your cargo capacity . Many people exceed their manufacturing standards. Not all is perfect, but the price of fuel especially diesel now days, makes the SRW much more practical as long as it meets your intended purposes of safety and affordability. Just saying...
I run a SRW F350 to carry my camper. It is a Northern Lite so it's fiberglass and lighter than most truck campers. I went with single rear wheel because having lived in the Rocky Mountains during spring thaw and with lots of snow I find that dually's do horrible in mud and snow and I have pulled many a stuck dually out with my truck. The important thing is to run tires that are rated for heavy loads and keep them inflated to the proper psi. Most people don't understand that by lowering the psi in your tire it's side wall rating drops significantly. Meet a few TC on dirt roads/trails that lowered their psi and ended up either blowing or rolling a tire off the rim.
Love the 1191. When we got ours it was a real toss-up between the 1191 and 1172. Just setting mine up to use this winter, free standing, in modest freezing conditions. Will be doing a video on that in the next month or so.
@@howardkettner We now use a Wave 8 catalytic heater when free standing. Also added several 12 volt very quiet 120mm fans to blow warm air into the bed area and the back of the camper. Makes a huge difference when it's near or below freezing. Added self heating 200Ah lithium and 2500 watt inverter. Did not connect inverter to main power, I made 2 outlets, one specifically for the microwave and another at the rear counter for general use. Added a fan with external switch to fridge to circulate air. Fridge works so much better now even when 115 outside.
Huge thanks for tuning in. And that Garnet Ghost Town was truly an amazing trip back to another time. Made me reflect again about how fortunate we are.
I went back and forth between a truck camper and a small travel trailer. I decided with the truck and travel trailer. My truck is a F-150 V8 4x4 and my trailer a 19.8 foot Jayco 166fbs. I went with the gas powered truck due to the high cost and maintenance and repair for diesels. I also have a shell on my truck of tons of storage and a rack system on the roof that holds all my fly rods. My trailer has one slide 55 gallons of fresh water and also 2 30 gallon propane tanks. I can detach and take my truck through a car wash can't do that with a dually. Just have to decide what's right for you.
Thanks for tuning in . . . and you are correct on all counts. Lots of factors to consider depending on other uses/requirements. I just finished responding to another viewer that I need my one-ton capacity pickup a couple of times a week - whether slugging a load of logs on my flatdeck, or taking a 6,000 pound tractor to another site. Haha - on the car wash you are so right. I have to self-wash the truck and camper combo when travelling. Again - thanks for your perspectives.
This was a great help!! Thank you! I’m looking to purchase a camper. I just changed my mind, for the better. I just don’t want to put that much money into a pick up. I’m going to a tongue trailer. This really helped my family! I like how you think. 👍👍👍🙏 Thank you
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey. For sure - if I didn't need a pick-up for all that I need to do around our property, my decision would have likely been very different. Lots of great videos out there with various trailer pros and cons to help guide you. One thing I'm hearing a lot about currently is to watch for frame strength. Lippert (frame provider to many trailer manufacturers ) seems to be getting a lot of bad press for brand new frames bending or breaking - resulting in the dealer blaming the manufacturer, the manufacturer blaming Lippert, leaving the customer camping in their driveway or worse . . . All the very best
Wow - for me it was totally life changing. It's like someone turned the lights on in terms of outcome. And since I've been continuously wearing glasses and or contacts - since I was in elementary school, I also went for the lens implants. My right eye is now corrected for reading and is 20/15 and my left is for distance - and it just tested out at a solid 20/20 yesterday. No adverse effects at this point and the right eye is now four weeks later and the left was done 10 days ago. No discomfort, loss of sleep or other negative symptoms. My only regret was that I stalled too long. It's been several years since I felt comfortable driving at night. Very fortunate that Coral is completely good with night driving, otherwise that would have been pretty limiting. Up here, on government healthcare, I still would have had to wait for an estimated year for treatment, but for most things like this we have a private option, and once having chosen that I was on a fast-track. Let me know if any other questions.
First time watching you. The legal limits in the states is 13'6 and 80 inches wide. I'm a truck driver so that may differ in an rv situation. But that's the legal limits for semis. I really enjoyed this video and maybe we'll bump into each other at a campground somewhere
@@gmv0553 Thanks for the comment. Yeah, It's 8'6" in Canada too. Both my camper and one of my Cargo trailers (which I've pulled in Canada and the US are 102" wide
Great video. On your air bags did they install a single or duel path for your air. On our truck we installed the duel path and don’t get the sway. Our truck had the 5000 lb air bags. Now you can get the 7500 lb bags. Keep up the great videos 👍🏻
Hey! Dan - thank you for visiting our little channel. Great info! They installed a single path and that is great news about the dual path. I didn't know that existed. And I was unaware of the 7500 pound airbags. That likely would have saved me $2k of spring/torsion bar work. Safe and happy travels to you. I hope our paths cross again!
Just came across your channel. Love your content and sense of humor. We have a Northstar truck camper on a Ram Megacab and love it! Perfect for the two of us and our GPS cat! I would love to see a video on your modifications and improvements that you mentioned. Also how is your Starlink working out? We are dangerously (ha) handy and enjoy tweaking things. Always fun to see old fashioned ingenuity at work! Nice rig!
Welcome aboard! Will definitely be doing an update video after some additional tweaks. Got it buckled down for the winter now, providing me with a home away from home when visiting grandkids. The heat system that was the subject of another video is working well, but I'll do an update on that as well. Love the Starlink. That's truly been the missing 'link' till now. Just gotta make sure one is parked where there is a clear sky above. Montana's big skies were perfect on our Montana/Yellowstone trip. Safe and happy travels. Again - thanks for tuning in . . .
Wonderful video. One of my long life dreams was to buy a truck camper once I retired. Well, I bought one. The one I use as my avatar. I love my Arctic Fox 1140. It has plenty of room for my wife and I for as long as we want to go out. I might look into some of the modifications you shared to insure a safe, stable / anti-sway drive. Thank you Sir for the excellent video. I just found your channel, and I am a new sub. Take care.
That is awesome! I took a look at the avatar on your site and then looked up the unit on the Arctic Fox site. It looks amazing! Happy travels and keep me posted as you put on the miles!
Yup, know your parameters. You could mount a remote camera in a place where it will show the roof an the clearance. For that matter you could monitor the corners.
Great review. Aside from having a shorter length, i don't see how this is better than a 15-18ft towable. You need a dually for that camper, and you had to make several thousand dollars in upgrades/modifications. But a regular half-ton can haul a small towable, which would be far less expensive than your setup. **Not saying anything bad about your rig.. it's practical, safe, and looks great. I'm just thinking about expense. Is my thinking wrong?
Huge thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey and how this particular subject evolves. Great question - and it uncovers a pretty key gap in the content of my Pros & Cons video - and now I have a terrific opportunity to do a video to respond. I'll bet you're not the only viewer that has some or all of the same questions. Your summary of an 8' foot towable being nearly equivalent to the usable square footage of our camper is right on the money. In a nutshell, the justification for the dually and the suspension and wheel upgrades were only partially in response to the needs of the camper. In it's other life, the dually is our farm truck and it slugs around both heavy and high bulk (hay) loads - solely or in conjunction with one of the several trailers we've towed - and for those chores, I love the stability and the extra floatation and traction of the dually. I'm just not a fan of white-knuckling it when it comes to navigating, muddy ground, steep offroad climbs, uneven terrain or windy roads. I've got a little sawmill and I often pick up 'farmer wood' that is located on the edges of muddy fields. That's where the added floatation provided by the oversize dual rear wheels coupled with 4WD is a godsend. For me, the dually and the suspension modifications also give me a lot of options - that include having the camper onboard while towing a horse or toy trailer (think Oregon dunes and 3 ATV's in a 26' toyhauler) and I just love that our F350 vacation wheels can also be used year-around for a host of heavy hauling and equipment trailering without requiring the maintenance and insurance of one more licensed vehicle. I recognize that my needs may be a bit unique, but when I plan my rare vehicle purchases (we will celebrate our 10 years of ownership of the featured F350 this coming February) I try hard to contemplate every possible need over the course of the next decade, and in that sense, I have had zero regrets about either the initial purchase or the subsequent modifications. And, I realize that pretty much none of what I've said in my response here was covered in the video . . . Again - huge thanks for the opportunity to share 'the rest of the story'.
@@mannymotta2174 You are so right. After 9 years of priceless memories - it owes me nothing. And today I could sell it for more than I paid for it - not that it's for sale. haha
I think it really depends on what type of camping you are going to do. I have been on many adventures where I am on a narrow mining road or even a regular country road and come across a downed tree,(fyi reason to carry an electric chain saw...saved my tail more than once way back in the woods) snow drifts, land slides or other obstruction and with my truck camper I can turn around, even if it is a 30 pt turn as I inch back and forth to make the turn...if I had been in even a jeep with a tow behind it would have been impossible to turn around..even if you would unhook the camper there was no room to get around it and almost impossible to back up anything towed on those types of roads. If you are just hitting campgrounds or camping off main roads than I think a tow behind may more than suit your needs and there are thousands of choices to pick from.
Great review. I’ve wanted a truck camper rig since forever, but the sheer size of these modern things siting in a truck bed is a little unnerving to me - and I’ve got a lot of miles in 18 wheelers. Can’t beat the single vehicle convenience with ability to separate components.
Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey! I totally get it (the “unnerving” part). That’s why I took more time than I probably should have in reviewing the suspension and wheel modifications. Totally a ‘night versus day’ experience. On my way home from the RV dealer, as I went through a traffics circle at something like 25 miles per hour, before those modifications, the only thing going through my head was “oh my God, what have I gotten myself into” and from there on I was on a mission to never have that reflexive thought again . . . Problem solved.
I love my truck Camper and did a lot of research be for buying my 2017 F350 dually Camper special with a GVWR of 14000 lbs as far as I know it the highest rating you can get with a F350. 16000lbs GVWR is F550 territory Besides that great video. Cheers
Huge thanks for visiting and being part of my journey. I'll be doing an update/clarification video in the weeks ahead about the GVWR point you make. The short version is that #1 - your research and conclusion is 100% correct for your unit and my unit alike. However, the new 2022 units have an increased capacity, depending on the actual model. I'll include links and 'stills' of the documentation. In the meanwhile, safe and happy travels.
@@howardkettner The You Tube algorithm did it's job yesterday and directed me to your channel; and I'm glad it did!! I subscribed; and look forward to reviewing past videos and future videos. As I have the identical truck to yours (2016 version), I too questioned the 16,000 GVWR. Even with my 2001 Lance 1030 fully loaded, I am right at 14,000# limit pulling a 20' enclosed trailer (6,000# loaded). While I don't see ever needing any more load capability, I am interested in pursuing some of your anti-sway upgrades. Great video! Safe travels. BTW, I had to upgrade to a dually when I weighed my Lance on my (previous) 2011 F350 SRW truck without a trailer attached. It was over 1,000# overweight; and I see this same truck / camper combination on the road all of the time. Never follow too closely to these guys! The expense of having to upgrade to a dually for a larger truck camper is another "con", but will also be considered a "pro" if a tire failure occurs.
@@joeluehring4676 Huge thanks for joining the conversation Joe! Good move upgrading to dually. One of the interesting observations from one of the more reputable folks I've known in the RV industry is that upwards of 80% of RV's that one meets on the highway, (whether motorhomes, trucks and trailers or trucks and campers) is that they're overloaded - and not by just a little bit.
I live in Pennsylvania..Another Pro… only 2 axles. On a maintenance perspective, you only have to worry about the truck while driving… and another thing, toll roads, you pay more with more axles. Subscribed 👍
Thanks for visiting and sharing. Been watching other channels and it appears that with all the folks getting recently involved in RV'ing, finding spots at all seems to be a growing concern. With the length involved in truck and camper, and the boondock capabilities of a 4 seasons unit, winter or summer one can stay almost anywhere. Tough not to find a spot. Safe travels - and again - thanks for visiting and subscribing.
It's actually super well balanced. I have so much respect for the engineering/weight distribution thought that goes into these units. i.e. appliances like Fridge, stove, hot water tank etc. mounted forward. Ditto for clothes closets etc. The cabover weight is also specifically designed to offset the rear overhand. The unit actually has a sticker on the outside walls stating identifying precisely where the centre of gravity is, and it's right where it should be on the F350 - almost just slightly forward of the centre of the rear axle.
@@howardkettner I knew it would be balanced, it just looks so extreme it's difficult to imagine it being balanced. I wanted to put a Northern Lite on my 2003 Dodge Cummins Quad cab long box SRW but the payload is just not enough and the SRW would likely not be stable enough. They are so heavy when loaded unfortunately. I don't really want to buy a new truck for it. Oh, and the Northern Lite campers are huge money as well. They are the price of a luxury SUV. They are not worth what they ask for them.
@@stevenpringle7813 Yeah - for me it would have been a buy that supported local industry. They are super well built. Nothing negative to say about them at all - but once I'm up in that price range, I figured I might as well have at least one reliable slide to give me the extra space inside. And if one has not lived in 'slide vs no-slide' the one slide opening up 18" is monumental in terms going from claustrophobic (which my wife is) to spacious. Thanks for being part of my journey.
Thanks for tuning in and being part of the journey! We agree! Sold this unit for a variety of reasons (check out some of my most recent videos) - and while doing that did the upgrade to 400W of solar . . .
Nice vid!! I spend between 6-9 months boondocking each year in my truck camper. It is a Northern Lite and I run a SRW F350 to carry it. The NL are fiberglass so it is lighter so not sure how these work on heavier loads but before you add springs and sway bars, I would suggest, no matter what you have to install Torklift Stableloads. Easy to self install on your existing leafsprings and took out all the sway from my truck. The other thing I think people should know is if you plan to do a lot of off roading in your truck camper I would recommend against anything with slide outs. One, they add a lot of weight to your camper and two, much more of a chance of a twist getting that/those slides stuck either in or out. Mine has no slides and there is still lots of room for extended months of camper no problem.
Wow! You're living the dream. Love the Northern Lite product. Thanks for the tip on the Torklift Stableloads - and the outcome with those. And - I could not agree more on the slide-outs. On a truck camper, it's not "if" it's just "when" IMO. In the 2nd year of ownership, mine had to be transported back to the factory for more substantial gussetting, etc. Then at my expense I had to install wearplates on the bottom of the slide. The rollers were literally chewing through the bottom. Good points all. Happy boondocking!
Great video!! I’m just picking up my new to me truck camper and am quite excited. Not the greatest time of year to use but excited either way. I live in Canada and will be driving from BC to Ontario with it on my truck lots of boon docking
@@howardkettner hello. I’ll be on Armstrong tonight and then Saturday drive to the valley. Nit sure which way yet for the coq was closed last night. I’ll be driving through sometime between November 18-20 this time with my camper . I’ll keep in touch re tomorrow and the later in the month . Currently in medicine hat
@@howardkettner happy holidays. I am researching to begin the truck camper life. I plan on a 5 year run if possible. Would you recommend this camper as a full time for 1 person and 2 animals?
Huge thanks for visiting and being part of the journey! Not sure exactly where this one is. It was one of the fairly occassional stock photos that my editor popped in. However if one makes the traverse down through the south-east corner of BC from Kelowna/Vernon to Revelstoke and their either heads for Banff/Lake Louise or alternatively down through Creston to the US Border, this scene is replicated over and over. Two lane roads, mountains, lakes. So much to see. So little time.
Im self employed with passive income. Im in a unique position after grinding away at 80hrs/week most of my life. I take advantage of that free time with my truck camper. Its wonderful and fairly stress free traveling.
Thanks for tuning in and being part of the conversation. I agree (wonderful and stress free travelling. Sounds like we had similar 'addictions' (those 80 hour weeks). My dad used to call 12 hours days '1/2 days' - as in 'you don't get a medal for just working half-a-day Howard'. He always delivered that with a laugh - but he also meant that it be taken seriously. :)
Curious....what wheel brand and size did you go with. They look good, but even better, they achieve the goal of stability. Great video. Look forward to seeing more.
The wheels are 10 bolt American Force. (Had to install adapter rings - which also forced the wheels out slightly further on each side. A good thing. I had some really gnarly tires for the first 50,000 miles, great in mud etc. but also not snow rated, and the pass near here requires tires with the snowflake on them so the heavy duty pick-up truck expert I consulted put me into the Yokohama Geolandar A/T series - 10 ply rating, size LT275/65R20 126/123R I'm just so impressed with them. Quieter on the highway than my previous selection, but super solid cornering or otherwise. Think 'roll elimination'! :)
Thanks for tuning in - and great questions. I should have covered that. Unfortunately not. The controller for the slide out is in a pocket just inside the door and to the left, and that slide needs to be opened about half way.
Any video or blog on the sway bar setups or tire/wheel combo? At that point now with our rig. Almost 300k on nothing but stock gear and airbags. Now adding 2, 12k winches, large in bed camper (hard side this time) and front motorcycle carrier.
Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey! Yeah - for sure - gotta be watching out for those folks that want to help themselves. Things like lockable tie-down cinches etc. The attempted thievery I mentioned happened right outside a hotel that is part of a major brand, inside of a chain-link fence lot with security patrol, and right under a high powered pole lamp. Only think that saved us was the delay caused by two first rate bicycle lock cables. Enjoy the trip and the camper!
how did you slide the camper under the cover? I noticed it's sitting on a pedestal, but it didn't seem like it had casters or wheels on it. It also didn't seem like the camper would fit under it while still on the truck. Thanks in advance for the time, loved the video! 🙂
Great questions all. Thanks for tuning in and being part of the conversation. It's tight - but hey - that shelter was here when we bought this property a year and a half ago - and we lucked out. It's got 14' of clearance. Hard to tell from the camera angle tho. The process is: - back truck and camper under the shelter - jack camper up - and here's where we use all 14' of overhead - pull truck out from under - place stand underneath. I built it with kiln dried spruce and one sheet of 3/8th plywood, and all 160 pounds of me can easily drag it underneath the camper. - level stand (I have pre-levelled the ground under the shelter, so maybe at most a 1x4" board under one corner or another. - lower the camper - thus taking a lot of weight off the jacks and with the level base under the camper it prevents the slides from 'jamming' when I open them. Hope this helps.
You have a very practical approach to these sorts of issues. Here's with very genuine appreciation for your suggestions and perspectives. It's comments like yours that I was hoping for and which was a big part of what caused me to create a TH-cam channel. At 67 the clock is ticking and I just don't have time to make all the mistakes that would otherwise be inevitable. Happy New Year 2023.
Thanks for checking out the channel and weighing in with your perspectives. Good points! Are the extra creature comfort with the $? How could I have perhaps gotten to the same end result for less $. And, what does it really ride like after the modifications? Again, thanks for tuning in . . .
Thanks for tuning in and being part of the conversation. No built in features built in to any camper that I know of, but I've added a couple . . . including a hidden tracking device.
Thanks for tuning in. Great question. The wiring harness was (stupidly) placed right under the slide - but out of sight. So every time we opened and closed the slide (this all after the camper spent a full four months in transit back and forth from the Lance factory for the complete rebuild of the side slide infrastructure). Ultimately the slide ripped the wiring out. Fortunately for Coral her brother-in-law who was at the horse camping event redid the wiring and it endures to this day to the best of my knowledge. (I've recently sold the unit.)
Thanks for tuning in! Great question Eric. I've looked at Camper Vans a lot - and I love how compact they are, and the sheer ingenuity of great design. So much to admire. The reason that I went to a similar amount of living space but in a truck camper configuration is because I use and need my F350 dually around the hobby farm on a regular basis. Simply meaning, a camper van for me would be one more engine, one more set of brakes, etc. to maintain.
I have been rv'in for over 40 yrs.( i've never owned a truck camper). I'm always amazed why anyone would buy a over priced wind sail. Before you make a purchase watch a video of a truck camper traveling down a uneven dirt road even 5 at mph, pickups were never designed to carry that much weight that high in the bed.
Hey! thanks for tuning in and sharing! All I can say is that once I got the springs sorted out, it's super solid. Last trip from Wyoming to Idaho we had cross winds that were causing less than fully loaded 53' semi trailers to lean, and we were rock solid. We also did a stretch of 20 miles of twisty, uneven road with several corners banked the wrong way as we explored an old mining site, and could not have asked for a better experience. For what we do - and find essential to support everything we need for everything from backpacking in difficult terrain and weather, to dressing up to attend a conference and it's associated events, our choice was either a 5th wheel trailer or the 1172. Loving where we landed . . .
With one propane tank full, grey and black empty and fresh water at about 1/3 it's a nice fit just under the legal limit of 14,000. We tend to put heavier items (BBQ, table, chairs, extra water bottles etc.) in the vehicle we're towing. There are several campers out there that have a dry weight that is higher than the AF 1140. Not sure what those folks do. 😬 Thanks for tuning in . . .
I love how he explain pros & cons , he don't speak too fast and i can understand properly ! I just subscribe to his channel
Thank you for tuning in and being part of my journey.
Watch for a new pros and cons video coming soon - and another make and model of camper.
I agree, it's the most versatile way to travel and camp. That's why I purchased a new truck and truck camper last year and have put over 30,000 miles on it traveling, camping and visiting friends and family. Another pro is the ability to visit family on extended stays and you have your own personal private apartment and separate transportation. I've done it numerous times and it's an awesome way to visit. 2021 F250 and 2021 Wolf Creek 840 here.
Wow! And I totally agree on all counts.
Happy travelling to you! Sounds like you've got a terrific combination there.
Eric - is your F250 diesel or gas? And it handles the camper on a SRW axle?
@@Hogdriver88 7.3 Gas SRW axle. Handles fine. With a full load, I can climb the steepest grades as fast as I want. As far as handling, It's not a Miata but it's amazingly stable. 3,114 Lbs of payload.
@@ericcarawan1308 Ahh, the ‘Godzilla’ engine… 8 foot bed, or maybe 6.5 feet?
@@Hogdriver88 I believe it is 6'10", which is the short bed with the FX4 package.
We love our Lance 1172.❤We are full-time and I'd like to add if your using the camper for vacations here and there a 3500/350 dually will get the job done. NOW for full time travel where your going off road boondocking a lot. I would step up to at least a 4500 /450 truck. We love the fact we can drop the camper and have our cabin separated from our truck to explore and run errands etc. The Lance is a great 4 seasons camper that we've put it to the test and it always surpassed our expectations. ❤❤❤
Had that Lance for a full 10 years and it gave us a host of great memories. Such an awesome unit. No regrets.
Huge thanks for tuning in and sharing your experience!
Come back and visit again.
Our travelling is over for this season, but in 2024 it's off to Alaska with the trusty F350 and camper.
Thank you for your feedback
This fella's voice is good enough to be a professional voice actor/announcer/narrator in big budget productions. So it's pretty cool to see him use it on a fun independent channel where he can use that voice to say whatever it is he wants to say.
Also, that's a really nice truck camper. It packs away pretty well, and when fully deployed gives an absurd amount of interior space.
Thanks for your kind words and for being part of my journey. Come and visit often - and particularly when you need a little 'picker-up'.
And you're right - that camper truly has an absurd amount of space. Coral (who is truly claustrophobic) and I have lived in it for up to six weeks at a time.
I actually thought this was a professional salesman. His voice!
I was just trying to see if I would want to get into the RV/camper life, and I’m sold for sure. Not only was this video super helpful but I can tell how much fun you both have living like this. Thanks and keep up the videos
Thank you for being part of our journey - and for your kind words.
For us it strikes a balance between the conveniences we've come to enjoy, and an ability to be completely spontaneous in terms of when and where we park. 26' of total length for us has been a winner.
As always, Howard, very balanced and respectful review. Even though I am not a camper, I'm sure this will be helpful to many!👍
Coral and I find that 'getting away' in a fashion where we don't have to pack and unpack suitcases etc. and can 'be in the same room' (our mantra from when we first met) is an amazing experience. If every anything that you want to know further about truck and camper, just shoot me an email with coordinates, and I'd love to chat further. howard.kettner@gmail.com
All the very best!
My wife and I are at retirement age and recently purchased a new truck and almost new camper. We did our homework before making the decision, but even so, in hindsight may have done a few things differently. Your comments are spot on, and I would highly recommend your video to anyone contemplating a truck / camper purchase. Great job!
Huge thanks for tuning in! Here's wishing you happy and safe travels.
In hindsight I think there is only about 3 dozen things I'd have done differently - hahaha - but here's to the journey.
I could listen to you talk for hours... Instant subscriber.
Thanks for tuning in and for the sub. The best is yet to come!
You are a great presenter. Your joy is infectious. Thank you for your vid.
So nice of you to tune in with your words of encouragement. All the best wherever your travels take you!
Howard. I'm facing the issues that you addressed here; and you put light on my thoughts and decisions. Great content and format; thank you. Steven, Utah, USA
Thanks for being part of my journey Steven. Happy RV'ing!
Yes always a full walk-around 100%. You are super informative, great rig.
Thanks for watching! More to come.
I believe at some point everybody goes through this choice process of prioritizing type of RV. Your presentation was one of the most informative and well explained I have viewed viewed.
I am currently in a flat bed, hardside pop-up DIY camper. It's on a 1995 Toyota T100 rear-wheel drive V6. Equipped with eight 100 watt solar panels and 400 ah of batteries. This is set up for 1 person and I find it very functional. I am a full-timer.
Man you are living my dream. Good on you!. Here's wishing you an amazing journey.
Huge thanks for tuning in and being part of mine.
Great video and accurate evaluation of pros/cons. I’m currently on a class B but am in the process of purchasing a truck and camper now. The only thing I think I will miss is the ability to go from the cab to my living space without getting out of the vehicle. But there are many pros that negate that single con. Happy travels to you both. 😊
Huge thanks for tuning in - and congratulations on your incoming truck and camper. Happy and safe travels to you too!
As a solo female, that is the Big con for me... Not being able to quickly get from living area to driver seat should the need arise. I would hate to be in a position where I was either trapped in the camper or running outside into some danger to try and get vehicle out of there....
@@MommaOsoIrish67 inn5 years one only had one bad experience and it was while I was away from the van. Really, if someone is determined to “get you” all they have to do is disable your wheels…van or truck doesn’t matter. 🤷🏻♀️
@101taiga That's good to hear! But I'm not just talking human threat. Where I live, national forest lands, plenty of beautiful but remote opportunities, the wildlife AND natural disasters are also things one might needr be prepared for. Of course, no matter how prepared you are, one never really knows. I've been in a pop-up tent camper, with children, while a bear trashed the camp around us! Although armed, I didn't want to test my tool of self defense against the bear if I didn't absolutely have to do so...(what if all I did was piss it off??) I guess I'm more wary now because if the way our world has so vastly changed since those days..it's hard to predict what is ahead. Will we be headed into "desperate times"? I used to think a strangwrcwas just a friend I hasn't met yet. Thankfully, my bad people experiences have been far outweighed by the positive ones.. I guess it's all down to trusting our gut, and listening when itbsays something. :-)
We have a GMC 3500 HD DW 6.6L Duramax, Deleted with tow tune in it. We have a BigFoot Camper dry weight 2450 lbs, we get 21 litres per hundred km with it loaded and 15.5 camper off. One thing I call a PRO is not having to license the camper or inspection, also less toll cost because of less axles, also ferry fees are less due to short length and camp sites are less too. We always leave the camper on the truck for insurance reasons, if it’s not on the truck and something happens to it like a fire or damage it’s not covered, but on the truck it’s covered. You did a great job on this informative video.
Thanks for tuning in.
Love your unit. While there are a lot of things I like about my unit - I'd never get one this big again. It's just a beast. Lots to love. Lots I'd do differently.
Great list of pro's that I'd not talked about. thanks you.
PS - I have my camper off of the truck most of the time - because I probably need to use the truck at least once every couple of weeks for a day's duty without the camper. Found an insurer that gives me full value coverage for $240 per year.
My camper is not luxurious like yours (no slides) but carrying it on my F250 in great. Luv the combo! Happy camping!
For sure - a slide is not light. Definitely pay a price for that.
Just something about the truck/camper combo that works. Here's to many more years of your enjoyment with yours.
Thanks for tuning in.
Hi there. I m glad you are doing a video on proper handling of heavy campers, the motion I think you are referring to is called roll - Sway is where if you were towing a trailer behind your truck.
You are correct. The right terms matter, and I super appreciate your clarification.
Have an awesome weekend!
Would be nice to try before you buy when it comes to truck campers. Not easy to do but when you mentioned roundabouts etc it made me realize that there are so many driving conditions to test and so many different truck /camper configurations.
When spending $50-70K I would be frustrated at my purchase if I did not at least somewhat know how the vehicle is going to react under ordinary driving situations. Thank you for your video.
You could not be more correct. 10 RV's over 3 decades have taught me that one needs to factor in about 5% above the initial cost for bridging the gap between expectations and reality - whether that is adding solar panels, enhancing suspension, etc.
In my experience - despite best efforts and all of the pre-purchase research that I do, it seems like there are one or two really good questions that I failed to ask.
I keep changing my mind between a truck camper and a Class B for one major reason, and that is the immediate access you have to the cab of a Class B in case you should want to get away from a situation in a hurry, and you don’t want to have to get out of the camper and then walk (or run) to your truck. Am I just being paranoid? But like that either units give you the ability to stop along the way at attractions. Great video! Thanks!
Thanks for tuning in and commenting!
There are definitely puts and takes to both. I hear of a couple of incidents in out of the way campsites, where campers felt that they might be in danger and just drove away in situations like you've implied. That has caused me to be very vigilant and intentional about where I park.
For me what it came down to is that I needed a one-ton pickup truck around our hobby farm and building projects, and having a truck and camper means one less engine and drivetrain to maintain.
@@howardkettner Appreciate you getting back to me so quickly. Your choice makes sense in your situation. Have subscribed to your channel. Safe travels!
Having been boondocking for months on end in my truck camper going on 7 years now with my wife we have yet to find a situation where we needed to get in the drivers seat in such a hurry we couldn't from the camper. Also, even with a Class B you probably just can't up and leave without raising a stable jack or removing some kind of leveling block, etc.
@@flyingdutchman7585 thanks for responding. Yeah, I never thought about the possibility of having to deal with leveling equipment. Thanks again, and safe travels!!
My biggest concern!!
Thanks for your time I am researching looking for truck camper combination your help was greatly appreciated Hugh and Yvonne of Suffolk, Virginia
Glad it was helpful. Here's wishing you all the very best. I'll be most interested in what you decide.
Great Video, you have made a very good TH-cam channel. Hope it keeps growing.
Thank you - and same to you! Thanks again for visiting and commenting!
Good discussion. Airbags a must in my opinion. Really good tires/rims. And don't forget packing properly, I've seen plenty of campers off kilter due to improper cargo balancing. Have many, many miles on my 2007 Eagle Cap 950 on a Chevy Silverado 3500HD diesel. Best way to travel for me. Happy journeys to all, whatever you choose.
Well said!
Thanks for tuning in and sharing your journey! Happy travels.
Great video - I’m soaking up knowledge like this so when I get around to it, I’ll do it right the first time! Love the truck, the stance and the whole setup. Thanks!
So many things I'd do differently. I really took the long road on this one.
Huge thanks for visiting our little channel.
Well done , great presentation
One of the main problems I see with a van type camper , is the narrow, and confined head space , you have much better open feeling in a truck camper, compared to a van
Glad you enjoyed it. Sometime in the next two weeks I'll be talking about a camper with even more headroom, less bulk, a little less floor space, due to one less slide, but lots more storage . . .
Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey.
Sir, you had me at the Red Green quote.
Red Green - the best ever!
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New to the channel, can't wait to see more of the content. We just purchased a small truck camper from Scout and made a 8400 mile whirlwind from our home in the Upper peninsula of Michigan, across Canada, down into the states through California and then over to Salt Lake City and then home. I do believe the camper is a little on the small side for us, but do truly enjoy the ease of driving, whether it be downtown Banff or cruising through Yosemite.
May have to upgrade to just a bit bigger setup.
Going to have to go back and watch more of your videos. Thanks for the great insight. 🇨🇦🇺🇲
Huge thanks for being part of my journey. Wow! That was a whirlwind trip!
Thanks for sharing!
Always so hard to guess at what would be the right size. What I would do differently next time is try hard to eliminate both slides-outs. I'm good with a 4' overhang, but I just gotta think that in the long haul, those slide outs will cause grief.
Being a Semi Truck driver I look up all the time sign for height might be wrong I have a 1978 f250 4x4 with a 66 Ford special slide in camper,I modified it a bit with a full shower and separate bathroom awesome video first time watching God bless be safe ✝️🇺🇸
Wow. Sounds like you’ve got something really special there! Nicely done.
Thanks for tuning in - and you be safe and we’ll also.
Currently on my 3rd truck/camper set up, all have been 11ft models.. unlike trailers there are no extra tires, wheels or electric brake maintenance and therefore no axles,( no registration or licences fees ) simply move your license plate from your rear truck bumper to the camper. Great video, absolutely agree on suspension upgrades..
Interesting that you mention the trailer braking systems. I'd not mentioned that in the video, and whether with a travel trailer or any other trailer at some point or another during ownership that becomes it's own challenge and issue.
Thank you for visiting Bill! Really appreciate your perspectives.
Some States/Provinces may require the license plate to remain on the truck. This should be checked for the State where the vehicle is registered. The same applies for taxes and registration.
@@Harry-zz2oh Ohhhhhh - good point. Highways regulations are generally provincial/state jurisdiction, and can vary. Just found this statement online: "Driver licensing and vehicle registration in the United States are handled by the state government in all states but Hawaii, where local governments perform DMV functions."
Great video I have a host triple slide with a Ford 450 The Ford 450 has 19.5" wheels and tires and heavier suspension I would not recommend air bags. Just get the camper package The last thing put 1" spacers above the leaf Springs.
Hey! Mike - I agree on all counts. After much back and forth with others who have more experience than me, I've concluded:
- The next truck with be the F-450 with the camper package. Among other things the F350 turning radius is horrible. F450 is awesome.
- Camper package with the heavier suspension.
- Love the suggestion of 1" spacers above leaf springs.
I love the stance and hence the stability that come with my existing wider wheels and tires - so would transfer my existing wheels package (American Force, 10 bolt, 20"- not cheap) over to the new vehicle.
Huge thanks for being part of my journey of learning!
Great video for a newbie camper like me. Bought our truck and camper 2 years ago as a package used. 2008 GMC 3500 dually diesel 4WD. 2008 Lance 992 camper. Never camped before or drove a truck with a camper and it took a while to get used to that weight but we love the set up. We ordered a 2022 Lance 1172 camper last November and are still waiting for delivery up to Canada. I agree with you about the versatility of a truck camper to pretty mush go anywhere and park anywhere in a small town or village. We are still learning. We ordered the new camper with extra solar power lithium batteries a generator and a cell phone antenna booster. I did put airbags on my truck to help with the weight and stability. Our Lance 992 is over 4500 lbs. we prefer the layout of the 1172 with the rear couch as an option to sit instead of always in the dinette.
Happy trails. 👍🇨🇦
Wow! Congrats on the order for the 1172! You'll definitely need to reach out and let me know how you like it!
Sounds like you've ordered all the right stuff in terms of options.
About twice a year Coral and I will browse a few lots, always looking at our options, and every time returning to our purchase of the 1172, and to paraphrase a line out of the Raiders of the Lost Ark, remark to each other "we chose wisely". Happy RV'ing (from Kelowna, BC to you).
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Nice to hear back from you. We are looking forward to the new camper. We didn’t think it would take this long to come after we were told 8 months and now could be a year or longer for delivery. We traded out 992 in on it. Now Lance is making the 2023 models. They’ve made a number of changes on the new 1172’s and they look amazing. Our Canadian dollar sucks though and so does Turdeau 🇨🇦
I like this guy lol. I’m looking at several different cab overs. First is an Arctic Fox, a Lance and a Palamino. Not 100% yet on which, because they each have their own pros and cons.
I'm going to be most interested in hearing your perspectives as you reach a conclusion. I don't think I've ever explored a Palamino, but I've heard good things about Arctic Fox, and have acquaintances that own Arctic Fox and speak very highly of that brand.
Great content! New subscriber here. I'm planning to het out and teavel more and do more hunting and fishing. I have plans to eventually convert a rolling chassis '94 F250 4x4 longbed(2 door) Supercrew cab into a flatbed camper host. As of now I have 5 F250 4x4's and just picked up a military trailer that houses a former military electronics shack which I intend to eventually put on a smaller trailer or directly into the bed of my '85 F250 diesel for overland treks. I just got it so there's plenty of planning and work to do to decide how it's going to function. I don't want or need anything fancy as I've just returned from an over 3,500 mile round trip across 8 states in 5 days in an old M1078 LMTV RV conversion. It was luckily just converted to better axle ratios that allows it to travel at 72-74mph as compared to the original 58mph. It was a hot trip as the rv and the truck both have no a/c. I will easily manage a small window mount a/c unit for this and with the excellent insulation it will be efficient and more than effective in hotter climates. I appreciate the modifications so many people have done to make their shelter space adequate.
Huge thanks for tuning in.
I'd love to see you posting videos of your conversions and current unit on TH-cam.
Thank you for sharing!
Excellent video. Well organized, to the point, and super informative. Great job on this video. I learned a "ton"...no pun intended.
Glad it was helpful! Huge thanks for tuning in!
the fact is, the wider outward the wheels or tires, the more sway or lean, due to the leverage being further out from leaf suspension points, think of the modified outward wheels as an additional extension bar like the breaker bar, but again lucky you beef up the leaf springs as well. Thx for sharing great info.
Thanks for tuning in . . .
Great explanation on the 'leverage' applied by the wider wheels . . . Wish I'd thought of that and mentioned/explained it in the video like you did.
Good video….We have been to RR museum in Revelstoke, awesome. I like your Canadian accent. We have had all kinds of camping units. Your camper looks great.
Here's to many more RV miles, and many more RR Museums. Thank you for your kind words and for stopping by.
A fella subscribed as soon as I saw Red Green. Thanks for the video, and the considerations. Keep your stick on the ice!
Thanks for the sub! And you too (keep that stick on the ice!)
Red Green - he always makes me happy!
Very comprehensive and straightforward information!! Subbed! 👍
Welcome aboard! And huge thanks for tuning in and sharing my journey.
This was an excellent review. Thank you for everything you mentioned, was very helpful . Especially when considering buying a new truck.
Thanks for tuning in and being part of the journey.
I’m only 51 but I’ve been praying for cataracts for years! I can’t wait to ditch my lifetime of contacts and glasses. Last month my prayers starts to be answered - my optometrist finally noted the first signs! Back on topic, my parents just switched to a class B precisely due to the climb into bed issue. Mom’s knees can’t take it anymore.
All the best for your cataract surgery. Simultaneous with the removal of cataracts, the specialist inserted a lens giving me 20/20 vision for the first time since I was 12 (am now 67). In fact I was in for my week 1 checkup today and the vision tested better than 20/20.
I hear you on the bed issue. We spend a few nights testing out a travel trailer recently and that one thing (no more climbing up into the bed) had significant appeal.
Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey.
Some people are adding a short ladder so they can access the cabover. I'm planning to do so for my Lance 915 camper. I've fallen a couple of times and it isn't fun hitting the floor. One person uses a regular stepladder which has wide steps so it is easy to move and place where you want.
@@Harry-zz2oh Great tip - and you're right - a slip and fall is not going to make a great camping experience.
You are a cool man, very pleasant to hear you talking.
Cheers from Ukraine ;)
Hey, thanks for tuning in and for your greetings from the Ukraine.
I just found your channel, I really enjoyed your presentation; ironically I have been thinking about going with a cabover camper for our F 450 so we could tow our offroad Landrover to our great Rocky Mountains in Colorado, and be able to enjoy the Landrover trails. We usually tow our 40 foot fifth wheel and so can’t take our 4x4 with us.
We do like the space of the large lance cabover campers and will be looking for an affordable used one in the near future.
Thanks for the suspension upgrade information 👍🏼
God’s Speed!
Wow! Thank you for your kind words and thanks for tuning in . . . Please do keep me posted. I think you'll be really happy with the space of the Lance cabover . . .
Wonderful, wonderful video! My wife and I are looking into getting some form of camping unit. I would prefer the truck camper and she would prefer a tow camper.
Your video will help me get the truck camper!
Good choice! My wife and I thought we were somehow depriving ourselves so we did actually buy a 20' trailer from a reputable brand. Fortunately, the RV prices were spiralling upward at a fast pace so after a couple of months we got our money back and ordered an up-to-date camper. Video coming within the next 3 weeks. Spoiler alert - we opted for the Arctic Fox 1140 for reasons that I'll articulate in the video.
Twice in our first week of travel we got into the last spot in the RV park because we only need 25'. (We're pretty spontaneous and don't like our reservations to dictate the pace of our trip.)
Extremely useful and practical video. Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.
Thank you for tuning in and for your encouragement.
there ought to be a way of using your camper jack to lift those probane tanks for you. Something that wouldn't take a lot of gear or use something you already keep with you.
I'm ok lifting them at this stage of my life, but not all buyers/users (including my wife) would be. Fortunately, folks at propane refuelling outlets are always willing to live a hand - and typically I put two full tanks onboard before loading the camper. The reduced height makes a huge difference as you might imagine.
Thanks for tuning in!
I have been truck Camper since I've 16 years old 12 truck campers we have or 2nd 1172 and we ordered or F350 Ford Lariat Truck camper package I comes with a 450 rear end 3:55 rear end with a sway bar from the Factory! I have a Spring man install 2 springs in the rear end 1 more helper and on the main 1 down another main spring and all problems handle! Now sway and perfectly level! Guess what I'm only 11'10 Love it I fit in my 12' Garage door! Your 1 foo higher! now throw those air bags out waste of money and buy some goo spring not all that after market stuff! No sway and down the high GREAT!! I've doing this for Years the only way to go:)
Thanks for sharing your experience. Always great to meet another 1172 owner.
I should have done a better job of clarifying what my height measurement includes. I've got a Yakima rooftop carrier where I keep some super light but bulky stuff for longer trips - otherwise my height measurement would be same as yours.
I had airbags initially installed - at the RV dealers suggestions. You are right - they don't work - in fact for reasons I won't get into here they actually made things worse.
Like you I got additional overload springs installed - and beefed up the torsion bar as well. Love how it handles. It's as easy and carefree now as driving a passenger car.
Again - thanks for tuning in . . .
The yellow suggested speed signs are for large or oversized vehicles.
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the little yellow signs with the suggested speed for the curves is for large trucks and semis not for passenger cars thank you
Hey! Thanks for tuning in and commenting.
Your point is well made. My perhaps less well articulated point was that prior to the wheel replacement and suspension changes, there is was a lot of sway, and hence a lot of driver nervousness even taking those corners at 5mph under suggested.
Very informative, very well spoken, nicely edited. Good job!
I'm very curious about towing with and extended truck camper and how that works. I have a 14ft enclosed trailer that I tow my motorcycles around with and having a truck camper would definatly cut hotel fees when out of town for rides lol. A video on that would be awesome!
Hey! Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey. And thank you for the video topic suggestion. Will do - but not likely till Spring as I'll not be likely have the camper onboard again till then.
In the meanwhile, here is one of my videos in which, as part of other subject matter, I do talk about all the fundamentals, how my tow rig is equipped and the roles of the truss-hitch extender and the trailer ball weigh scale.
Your 14' enclosed trailer should not be an issue subject to tow vehicle capacity. I've routinely towed a 26' cargo trailer loaded with ATV's and a 20' flatdeck - with camper onboard the tow vehicle and the camper extending nearly 4' beyond the truck box.
Part 1 th-cam.com/video/4TVoEghaMgI/w-d-xo.html
I have owned two truck campers since 2009 when I bought my first one. It’s still the best rig for my needs. I tow a cargo trailer with my motorcycles and extra camping gear.
A toy hauler means I’d have to unload my motorcycles every time I stop to camp, which isn’t feasible when stopping for a quickie overnight stop while enroute somewhere.
Thanks for weighing in on the discussion.
Truth! Truck & camper = increased options for extra hauling and mobility.
My buddy has insisted I purchase a dual-wheel one ton truck like this for my cab-over camper! One of the things you may have missed mentioning is to warn those who insist on buying a single-axel one ton truck need to be warned about getting a flat tire on the rear! With all that weight, a single-axel one ton will cause all that weight to bare down on the wheel and damage that too and that is even more expensive! Furthermore, under the right conditions, the wheel digging into the ground has no traction, of course, and may cause a sever sway that could cause you to lose control. I can think of other things like the outside on a turn could have a blow out and cause you to roll over as well! Lots of negative possibilities, which is why with all that weight you should strongly consider a dual-wheel rear axel for a large camper!
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Great point. I just feel so much comfortable in a dually. Maybe that is just an illusion, but for me, it's peace of mind.
Here's wishing you all the very best.
Yes, but some positives to the single rear wheel as well, like two less tires to go bad, especially the inner ones with a dually. Limited room at toll booths., construction sites, road repair areas, (you know, that get very narrow with cement barriers on both sides..) Not to mention the increase in fuel consumption, and loss of miles per gallon . The trick is to find some balance by applying some suspension alternatives ie., extra leaf springs, sway bar, perhaps some Timbrens to combat any sway on off road maneuvering, premiums tires with higher weight ratings and paying attention to your cargo capacity . Many people exceed their manufacturing standards. Not all is perfect, but the price of fuel especially diesel now days, makes the SRW much more practical as long as it meets your intended purposes of safety and affordability. Just saying...
I run a SRW F350 to carry my camper. It is a Northern Lite so it's fiberglass and lighter than most truck campers. I went with single rear wheel because having lived in the Rocky Mountains during spring thaw and with lots of snow I find that dually's do horrible in mud and snow and I have pulled many a stuck dually out with my truck. The important thing is to run tires that are rated for heavy loads and keep them inflated to the proper psi. Most people don't understand that by lowering the psi in your tire it's side wall rating drops significantly. Meet a few TC on dirt roads/trails that lowered their psi and ended up either blowing or rolling a tire off the rim.
We love our Lance 1191 camper. Purchased new in 2014. Added many mods to make it much better for free standing camping
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Love the 1191. When we got ours it was a real toss-up between the 1191 and 1172.
Just setting mine up to use this winter, free standing, in modest freezing conditions.
Will be doing a video on that in the next month or so.
@@howardkettner We now use a Wave 8 catalytic heater when free standing. Also added several 12 volt very quiet 120mm fans to blow warm air into the bed area and the back of the camper. Makes a huge difference when it's near or below freezing. Added self heating 200Ah lithium and 2500 watt inverter. Did not connect inverter to main power, I made 2 outlets, one specifically for the microwave and another at the rear counter for general use. Added a fan with external switch to fridge to circulate air. Fridge works so much better now even when 115 outside.
Enjoyed the video camper review & added the MT Ghost Town to a future trip!
Huge thanks for tuning in. And that Garnet Ghost Town was truly an amazing trip back to another time. Made me reflect again about how fortunate we are.
@@howardkettner I went to Rhyolite ghost town next to Beatty, NV by Death Valley last year. I had the same view.
Great video. Love rv living. People don't understand how cheap it is. Some places we stay have showers. That is nice.
We agree! It really is. . .
Thank you for tuning in and being part of my journey with my new little channel!
Hit so many points , wow that's an impressive setup.
Thank you for your kind words and for visiting 82Maple. Here's wishing you all the very best!
I went back and forth between a truck camper and a small travel trailer. I decided with the truck and travel trailer. My truck is a F-150 V8 4x4 and my trailer a 19.8 foot Jayco 166fbs. I went with the gas powered truck due to the high cost and maintenance and repair for diesels. I also have a shell on my truck of tons of storage and a rack system on the roof that holds all my fly rods. My trailer has one slide 55 gallons of fresh water and also 2 30 gallon propane tanks. I can detach and take my truck through a car wash can't do that with a dually. Just have to decide what's right for you.
Thanks for tuning in . . . and you are correct on all counts.
Lots of factors to consider depending on other uses/requirements. I just finished responding to another viewer that I need my one-ton capacity pickup a couple of times a week - whether slugging a load of logs on my flatdeck, or taking a 6,000 pound tractor to another site.
Haha - on the car wash you are so right. I have to self-wash the truck and camper combo when travelling.
Again - thanks for your perspectives.
This was a great help!! Thank you! I’m looking to purchase a camper. I just changed my mind, for the better. I just don’t want to put that much money into a pick up. I’m going to a tongue trailer. This really helped my family! I like how you think. 👍👍👍🙏 Thank you
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey.
For sure - if I didn't need a pick-up for all that I need to do around our property, my decision would have likely been very different.
Lots of great videos out there with various trailer pros and cons to help guide you.
One thing I'm hearing a lot about currently is to watch for frame strength. Lippert (frame provider to many trailer manufacturers ) seems to be getting a lot of bad press for brand new frames bending or breaking - resulting in the dealer blaming the manufacturer, the manufacturer blaming Lippert, leaving the customer camping in their driveway or worse . . .
All the very best
I would be interested in hearing an update on the future cataract surgery , there’s one in my near future also.
Wow - for me it was totally life changing. It's like someone turned the lights on in terms of outcome.
And since I've been continuously wearing glasses and or contacts - since I was in elementary school, I also went for the lens implants. My right eye is now corrected for reading and is 20/15 and my left is for distance - and it just tested out at a solid 20/20 yesterday.
No adverse effects at this point and the right eye is now four weeks later and the left was done 10 days ago. No discomfort, loss of sleep or other negative symptoms.
My only regret was that I stalled too long. It's been several years since I felt comfortable driving at night. Very fortunate that Coral is completely good with night driving, otherwise that would have been pretty limiting.
Up here, on government healthcare, I still would have had to wait for an estimated year for treatment, but for most things like this we have a private option, and once having chosen that I was on a fast-track. Let me know if any other questions.
First time watching you. The legal limits in the states is 13'6 and 80 inches wide. I'm a truck driver so that may differ in an rv situation. But that's the legal limits for semis. I really enjoyed this video and maybe we'll bump into each other at a campground somewhere
Hey! Dan
To the best of my knowledge the same applies to RVs as to semis.
Huge thanks for visiting our little channel.
My Eaglecap truck camper is 102" wide! My dually pickup is 89" wide! Your 80" measurement is not correct regarding maximum width in the US.
@@gmv0553 Thanks for the comment. Yeah, It's 8'6" in Canada too. Both my camper and one of my Cargo trailers (which I've pulled in Canada and the US are 102" wide
Great video. I have Lance 975 with Chevy K3500. ✌️
The 975 is a terrific unit! Happy travels - and thanks for tuning in and contributing to the dialogue.
Great video. On your air bags did they install a single or duel path for your air. On our truck we installed the duel path and don’t get the sway.
Our truck had the 5000 lb air bags. Now you can get the 7500 lb bags.
Keep up the great videos 👍🏻
Hey! Dan - thank you for visiting our little channel.
Great info! They installed a single path and that is great news about the dual path. I didn't know that existed. And I was unaware of the 7500 pound airbags. That likely would have saved me $2k of spring/torsion bar work.
Safe and happy travels to you. I hope our paths cross again!
Just came across your channel. Love your content and sense of humor. We have a Northstar truck camper on a Ram Megacab and love it! Perfect for the two of us and our GPS cat! I would love to see a video on your modifications and improvements that you mentioned. Also how is your Starlink working out? We are dangerously (ha) handy and enjoy tweaking things. Always fun to see old fashioned ingenuity at work! Nice rig!
Welcome aboard!
Will definitely be doing an update video after some additional tweaks. Got it buckled down for the winter now, providing me with a home away from home when visiting grandkids. The heat system that was the subject of another video is working well, but I'll do an update on that as well.
Love the Starlink. That's truly been the missing 'link' till now. Just gotta make sure one is parked where there is a clear sky above. Montana's big skies were perfect on our Montana/Yellowstone trip.
Safe and happy travels. Again - thanks for tuning in . . .
Howard , great Video definitely covered the cons and pros. And a nice set up for sure. Have a great adventure be safe be humble.
Huge thanks for tuning in. PS - love your channel!
@@howardkettner thank you Howard
Wonderful video. One of my long life dreams was to buy a truck camper once I retired. Well, I bought one. The one I use as my avatar. I love my Arctic Fox 1140. It has plenty of room for my wife and I for as long as we want to go out. I might look into some of the modifications you shared to insure a safe, stable / anti-sway drive. Thank you Sir for the excellent video. I just found your channel, and I am a new sub. Take care.
That is awesome! I took a look at the avatar on your site and then looked up the unit on the Arctic Fox site. It looks amazing! Happy travels and keep me posted as you put on the miles!
Yup, know your parameters. You could mount a remote camera in a place where it will show the roof an the clearance. For that matter you could monitor the corners.
Great suggestion! Huge thanks as always!
Great review. Aside from having a shorter length, i don't see how this is better than a 15-18ft towable. You need a dually for that camper, and you had to make several thousand dollars in upgrades/modifications. But a regular half-ton can haul a small towable, which would be far less expensive than your setup. **Not saying anything bad about your rig.. it's practical, safe, and looks great. I'm just thinking about expense. Is my thinking wrong?
Huge thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey and how this particular subject evolves.
Great question - and it uncovers a pretty key gap in the content of my Pros & Cons video - and now I have a terrific opportunity to do a video to respond. I'll bet you're not the only viewer that has some or all of the same questions.
Your summary of an 8' foot towable being nearly equivalent to the usable square footage of our camper is right on the money.
In a nutshell, the justification for the dually and the suspension and wheel upgrades were only partially in response to the needs of the camper.
In it's other life, the dually is our farm truck and it slugs around both heavy and high bulk (hay) loads - solely or in conjunction with one of the several trailers we've towed - and for those chores, I love the stability and the extra floatation and traction of the dually. I'm just not a fan of white-knuckling it when it comes to navigating, muddy ground, steep offroad climbs, uneven terrain or windy roads.
I've got a little sawmill and I often pick up 'farmer wood' that is located on the edges of muddy fields. That's where the added floatation provided by the oversize dual rear wheels coupled with 4WD is a godsend.
For me, the dually and the suspension modifications also give me a lot of options - that include having the camper onboard while towing a horse or toy trailer (think Oregon dunes and 3 ATV's in a 26' toyhauler) and I just love that our F350 vacation wheels can also be used year-around for a host of heavy hauling and equipment trailering without requiring the maintenance and insurance of one more licensed vehicle.
I recognize that my needs may be a bit unique, but when I plan my rare vehicle purchases (we will celebrate our 10 years of ownership of the featured F350 this coming February) I try hard to contemplate every possible need over the course of the next decade, and in that sense, I have had zero regrets about either the initial purchase or the subsequent modifications.
And, I realize that pretty much none of what I've said in my response here was covered in the video . . .
Again - huge thanks for the opportunity to share 'the rest of the story'.
Phenomenal explanation.
It’s not expensive if you can afford it. Furthermore, if it fits the bill, and you have immense enjoyment while using it, that’s perfect
@@mannymotta2174 You are so right. After 9 years of priceless memories - it owes me nothing. And today I could sell it for more than I paid for it - not that it's for sale. haha
I think it really depends on what type of camping you are going to do. I have been on many adventures where I am on a narrow mining road or even a regular country road and come across a downed tree,(fyi reason to carry an electric chain saw...saved my tail more than once way back in the woods) snow drifts, land slides or other obstruction and with my truck camper I can turn around, even if it is a 30 pt turn as I inch back and forth to make the turn...if I had been in even a jeep with a tow behind it would have been impossible to turn around..even if you would unhook the camper there was no room to get around it and almost impossible to back up anything towed on those types of roads. If you are just hitting campgrounds or camping off main roads than I think a tow behind may more than suit your needs and there are thousands of choices to pick from.
Great review. I’ve wanted a truck camper rig since forever, but the sheer size of these modern things siting in a truck bed is a little unnerving to me - and I’ve got a lot of miles in 18 wheelers. Can’t beat the single vehicle convenience with ability to separate components.
Thanks for tuning in and being part of my journey!
I totally get it (the “unnerving” part). That’s why I took more time than I probably should have in reviewing the suspension and wheel modifications. Totally a ‘night versus day’ experience.
On my way home from the RV dealer, as I went through a traffics circle at something like 25 miles per hour, before those modifications, the only thing going through my head was “oh my God, what have I gotten myself into” and from there on I was on a mission to never have that reflexive thought again . . .
Problem solved.
I love my truck Camper and did a lot of research be for buying my 2017 F350 dually Camper special with a GVWR of 14000 lbs as far as I know it the highest rating you can get with a F350.
16000lbs GVWR is F550 territory
Besides that great video. Cheers
Huge thanks for visiting and being part of my journey.
I'll be doing an update/clarification video in the weeks ahead about the GVWR point you make. The short version is that #1 - your research and conclusion is 100% correct for your unit and my unit alike. However, the new 2022 units have an increased capacity, depending on the actual model. I'll include links and 'stills' of the documentation.
In the meanwhile, safe and happy travels.
@@howardkettner The You Tube algorithm did it's job yesterday and directed me to your channel; and I'm glad it did!! I subscribed; and look forward to reviewing past videos and future videos. As I have the identical truck to yours (2016 version), I too questioned the 16,000 GVWR. Even with my 2001 Lance 1030 fully loaded, I am right at 14,000# limit pulling a 20' enclosed trailer (6,000# loaded). While I don't see ever needing any more load capability, I am interested in pursuing some of your anti-sway upgrades. Great video! Safe travels.
BTW, I had to upgrade to a dually when I weighed my Lance on my (previous) 2011 F350 SRW truck without a trailer attached. It was over 1,000# overweight; and I see this same truck / camper combination on the road all of the time. Never follow too closely to these guys! The expense of having to upgrade to a dually for a larger truck camper is another "con", but will also be considered a "pro" if a tire failure occurs.
@@joeluehring4676 Huge thanks for joining the conversation Joe! Good move upgrading to dually.
One of the interesting observations from one of the more reputable folks I've known in the RV industry is that upwards of 80% of RV's that one meets on the highway, (whether motorhomes, trucks and trailers or trucks and campers) is that they're overloaded - and not by just a little bit.
I live in Pennsylvania..Another Pro… only 2 axles. On a maintenance perspective, you only have to worry about the truck while driving… and another thing, toll roads, you pay more with more axles. Subscribed 👍
Thanks for visiting and sharing. Been watching other channels and it appears that with all the folks getting recently involved in RV'ing, finding spots at all seems to be a growing concern. With the length involved in truck and camper, and the boondock capabilities of a 4 seasons unit, winter or summer one can stay almost anywhere. Tough not to find a spot.
Safe travels - and again - thanks for visiting and subscribing.
Great perspective. New sub. Thanks for sharing. The suspension information was well presented and worth its weight in gold I believe. 💯🙏👏
Thanks for tuning in and thanks for the sub! Welcome to the journey!
The amount of rear overhang on your camper is massive. I am surprised there is any weight on the front wheels at all. :)
It's actually super well balanced. I have so much respect for the engineering/weight distribution thought that goes into these units. i.e. appliances like Fridge, stove, hot water tank etc. mounted forward. Ditto for clothes closets etc. The cabover weight is also specifically designed to offset the rear overhand. The unit actually has a sticker on the outside walls stating identifying precisely where the centre of gravity is, and it's right where it should be on the F350 - almost just slightly forward of the centre of the rear axle.
@@howardkettner I knew it would be balanced, it just looks so extreme it's difficult to imagine it being balanced. I wanted to put a Northern Lite on my 2003 Dodge Cummins Quad cab long box SRW but the payload is just not enough and the SRW would likely not be stable enough. They are so heavy when loaded unfortunately. I don't really want to buy a new truck for it. Oh, and the Northern Lite campers are huge money as well. They are the price of a luxury SUV. They are not worth what they ask for them.
@@stevenpringle7813 Yeah - for me it would have been a buy that supported local industry. They are super well built. Nothing negative to say about them at all - but once I'm up in that price range, I figured I might as well have at least one reliable slide to give me the extra space inside. And if one has not lived in 'slide vs no-slide' the one slide opening up 18" is monumental in terms going from claustrophobic (which my wife is) to spacious.
Thanks for being part of my journey.
I think you just sold me on a camper trailer. Ill have to do the upgrades
Huge thanks for tuning in. All the best. Don't hesitate to reach out if any questions.
Great camper! Upgrade your solar and inverter. Definitely worth it!
Thanks for tuning in and being part of the journey! We agree!
Sold this unit for a variety of reasons (check out some of my most recent videos) - and while doing that did the upgrade to 400W of solar . . .
Nice vid!! I spend between 6-9 months boondocking each year in my truck camper. It is a Northern Lite and I run a SRW F350 to carry it. The NL are fiberglass so it is lighter so not sure how these work on heavier loads but before you add springs and sway bars, I would suggest, no matter what you have to install Torklift Stableloads. Easy to self install on your existing leafsprings and took out all the sway from my truck. The other thing I think people should know is if you plan to do a lot of off roading in your truck camper I would recommend against anything with slide outs. One, they add a lot of weight to your camper and two, much more of a chance of a twist getting that/those slides stuck either in or out. Mine has no slides and there is still lots of room for extended months of camper no problem.
Wow! You're living the dream. Love the Northern Lite product. Thanks for the tip on the Torklift Stableloads - and the outcome with those.
And - I could not agree more on the slide-outs. On a truck camper, it's not "if" it's just "when" IMO. In the 2nd year of ownership, mine had to be transported back to the factory for more substantial gussetting, etc. Then at my expense I had to install wearplates on the bottom of the slide. The rollers were literally chewing through the bottom.
Good points all. Happy boondocking!
Great video!! I’m just picking up my new to me truck camper and am quite excited. Not the greatest time of year to use but excited either way. I live in Canada and will be driving from BC to Ontario with it on my truck lots of boon docking
Whoa - that is awesome. Congrats. I live and work in Kelowna, BC. Stay in touch. Always have time for a coffee with a fellow truck and camper owner.
Cool!! My parents live in Armstrong . I grew up in BC and love Kelowna!! I’ll be driving through Nov. 5 and then again nov 18 ish!!
@@Handydam hey Lee. Shoot me a text on 3rd or 4th and let’s see if we can connect! 604-230-8051
@@Handydam Just checking in to see if you're still coming thru Kelowna on or around tomorrow. 604-230-8051
@@howardkettner hello. I’ll be on Armstrong tonight and then Saturday drive to the valley. Nit sure which way yet for the coq was closed last night. I’ll be driving through sometime between November 18-20 this time with my camper . I’ll keep in touch re tomorrow and the later in the month . Currently in medicine hat
What a nice guy! Hey thanks! Useful content sir.
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Love the Camper.
I also use to love to watch Red Green
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i subscribed when you referenced red green. keep your stick on the ice
hahaha. Yeah - I think I've watched every episode 3x.
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All the best for 2023
@@howardkettner happy holidays.
I am researching to begin the truck camper life. I plan on a 5 year run if possible. Would you recommend this camper as a full time for 1 person and 2 animals?
What a great video
RS. Canada
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At 15:02, where is this spot please? It’s beautiful!!
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Not sure exactly where this one is. It was one of the fairly occassional stock photos that my editor popped in.
However if one makes the traverse down through the south-east corner of BC from Kelowna/Vernon to Revelstoke and their either heads for Banff/Lake Louise or alternatively down through Creston to the US Border, this scene is replicated over and over. Two lane roads, mountains, lakes.
So much to see. So little time.
Im self employed with passive income. Im in a unique position after grinding away at 80hrs/week most of my life. I take advantage of that free time with my truck camper. Its wonderful and fairly stress free traveling.
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I agree (wonderful and stress free travelling.
Sounds like we had similar 'addictions' (those 80 hour weeks). My dad used to call 12 hours days '1/2 days' - as in 'you don't get a medal for just working half-a-day Howard'. He always delivered that with a laugh - but he also meant that it be taken seriously. :)
Great video! Very insightful! Thank you very much!
Glad it was helpful!
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Curious....what wheel brand and size did you go with. They look good, but even better, they achieve the goal of stability. Great video. Look forward to seeing more.
The wheels are 10 bolt American Force. (Had to install adapter rings - which also forced the wheels out slightly further on each side. A good thing.
I had some really gnarly tires for the first 50,000 miles, great in mud etc. but also not snow rated, and the pass near here requires tires with the snowflake on them so the heavy duty pick-up truck expert I consulted put me into the Yokohama Geolandar A/T series - 10 ply rating, size LT275/65R20 126/123R I'm just so impressed with them. Quieter on the highway than my previous selection, but super solid cornering or otherwise. Think 'roll elimination'! :)
Hi how come you didn’t just go to F450? Is it actual payload lower since gvwr same but 450 weighs more?
I'm not sure my swing out jacks would clear those new wheels and wide tires!
Thanks for tuning in! Yeah - that is an issue - I've got 104" between the jack stand posts, with about 1/2" to spare on either side . . . haha
Can one enter the camper with the back slideout closed? Thanks for taking time in posting this video.
Thanks for tuning in - and great questions. I should have covered that.
Unfortunately not. The controller for the slide out is in a pocket just inside the door and to the left, and that slide needs to be opened about half way.
This was an excellent video sir. Thank you so much for sharing !!!
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Great video. You are a well spoken man.
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Love red green.
Love it that all episodes are now on TH-cam.
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Very nice and polite person 😊
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Any video or blog on the sway bar setups or tire/wheel combo? At that point now with our rig. Almost 300k on nothing but stock gear and airbags. Now adding 2, 12k winches, large in bed camper (hard side this time) and front motorcycle carrier.
Ohhh - that is SUPER interesting. Would love to see pix
@@howardkettner I could get video up.
Do you have a video or article about the wheel/tire combo you used?
For sure. A lot of folks have been asking the same question. Let me know if any additional comments or questions: th-cam.com/users/shortsKCGb1ZFAtXI
Nice camper good job and watch out for them sticke finger thieves we just bought one and heading on our journey next week Happy Trails
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Yeah - for sure - gotta be watching out for those folks that want to help themselves. Things like lockable tie-down cinches etc.
The attempted thievery I mentioned happened right outside a hotel that is part of a major brand, inside of a chain-link fence lot with security patrol, and right under a high powered pole lamp. Only think that saved us was the delay caused by two first rate bicycle lock cables.
Enjoy the trip and the camper!
how did you slide the camper under the cover? I noticed it's sitting on a pedestal, but it didn't seem like it had casters or wheels on it. It also didn't seem like the camper would fit under it while still on the truck. Thanks in advance for the time, loved the video! 🙂
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It's tight - but hey - that shelter was here when we bought this property a year and a half ago - and we lucked out. It's got 14' of clearance. Hard to tell from the camera angle tho.
The process is:
- back truck and camper under the shelter
- jack camper up - and here's where we use all 14' of overhead
- pull truck out from under
- place stand underneath. I built it with kiln dried spruce and one sheet of 3/8th plywood, and all 160 pounds of me can easily drag it underneath the camper.
- level stand (I have pre-levelled the ground under the shelter, so maybe at most a 1x4" board under one corner or another.
- lower the camper - thus taking a lot of weight off the jacks and with the level base under the camper it prevents the slides from 'jamming' when I open them.
Hope this helps.
Wow nice trailer
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Thank you for sharing!! Great information
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I think a real good step stool will solve some things, and it will be a lot cheaper than all that suspension stuff.;)
You have a very practical approach to these sorts of issues. Here's with very genuine appreciation for your suggestions and perspectives.
It's comments like yours that I was hoping for and which was a big part of what caused me to create a TH-cam channel. At 67 the clock is ticking and I just don't have time to make all the mistakes that would otherwise be inevitable.
Happy New Year 2023.
Maybe a con would be the price of the modifications needed to accept the weight of the unit? And perhaps the ride you get after the unit is removed?
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Good points! Are the extra creature comfort with the $? How could I have perhaps gotten to the same end result for less $. And, what does it really ride like after the modifications?
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Any security things to buy to help from break in on truck or camper ?
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No built in features built in to any camper that I know of, but I've added a couple . . . including a hidden tracking device.
What was the problem with the non retractile slide & the fix? thx b
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The wiring harness was (stupidly) placed right under the slide - but out of sight. So every time we opened and closed the slide (this all after the camper spent a full four months in transit back and forth from the Lance factory for the complete rebuild of the side slide infrastructure).
Ultimately the slide ripped the wiring out.
Fortunately for Coral her brother-in-law who was at the horse camping event redid the wiring and it endures to this day to the best of my knowledge. (I've recently sold the unit.)
Have you ever used a camper van? We're looking at pulling the trigger on either camper van or truck camper combo. decisions decision....
Thanks for tuning in! Great question Eric. I've looked at Camper Vans a lot - and I love how compact they are, and the sheer ingenuity of great design. So much to admire.
The reason that I went to a similar amount of living space but in a truck camper configuration is because I use and need my F350 dually around the hobby farm on a regular basis. Simply meaning, a camper van for me would be one more engine, one more set of brakes, etc. to maintain.
Great information here thank you very much!😊
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I have been rv'in for over 40 yrs.( i've never owned a truck camper). I'm always amazed why anyone would buy a over priced wind sail. Before you make a purchase watch a video of a truck camper traveling down a uneven dirt road even 5 at mph, pickups were never designed to carry that much weight that high in the bed.
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All I can say is that once I got the springs sorted out, it's super solid. Last trip from Wyoming to Idaho we had cross winds that were causing less than fully loaded 53' semi trailers to lean, and we were rock solid. We also did a stretch of 20 miles of twisty, uneven road with several corners banked the wrong way as we explored an old mining site, and could not have asked for a better experience. For what we do - and find essential to support everything we need for everything from backpacking in difficult terrain and weather, to dressing up to attend a conference and it's associated events, our choice was either a 5th wheel trailer or the 1172. Loving where we landed . . .
Whats full travel weight
With one propane tank full, grey and black empty and fresh water at about 1/3 it's a nice fit just under the legal limit of 14,000.
We tend to put heavier items (BBQ, table, chairs, extra water bottles etc.) in the vehicle we're towing.
There are several campers out there that have a dry weight that is higher than the AF 1140. Not sure what those folks do. 😬
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