It still baffles me to understand why there is always a mix up between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism, for someone who just started this journey of learning it is quite confusing.
Because the name sounds similar and, at least in the United States, a Social Democrat is often accused of being a Socialist in order to discredit them. This has gone on so long that the majority of the population wrongly associate any kind of welfare or government regulation with socialism.
As a Norwegian who likes to discuss, this theme is often up. And I've always had the opinion that even though we are a mix of all 3 "sides" (capitalism, democratic socialism and social democracy) we lean a little more to the democratic socialism side. This is usually a unpopular opinion. Rarely that anyone from this country object, but often those from countries that falls strongly over to the capitalism side. (yeah, that one) Considering the description in the video, i still say at least 50-50 ds-sd There is one thing i have learned from this: If anyone says they know for sure which side we fall on, they have no idea what they're talking about, as there is no clear cut answer. Confusion is mandatory.
The UK government from 1945 to 1951 under clement attlee was social democracy, NOT democratic socialism, though the government aimed to "eventually" create it. The same was true in 1964 to 1970 under Harold Wilson, and again from 1975 to 1979 under James Callaghan All of these leaders were socialists, but the UK under their leadership was Social-Democratic
You didn't understand the main difference: democratic socialism seeks to GRADUALLY reach socialism. So YES, on short term they seem similar since they will, specially at start, will promote the exact same policies.
Nice video and well done 🙂 I just posted it to a Nextdoor post where someone was yet again believing that any "controlling" aspect to our lives was "communism". Pointing out that our republic is closer to a Social Democracy now than anything related to communism/socialism, I also reminded them that we live in a nation of laws, and are absolutely "controlled" by those. Some people just don't know how to _think_ 😄
Or we could have no laws and you could be living in Z society were people walk into your business and steal from you like they are in California. Hard pass.
Social democracy is functioning within the capitalistic framework. Democratic socialism on the other hand requires the abolishment of capitalism in order to function.
Democratic socialism is not always socialism achieved through democratic means; it is simply socialism alongside democracy; for example, one may be a revolutionary democratic socialist, believing that capitalism is inherently undemocratic and believing that socialist revolution would be the only path to true democracy; other than this, and what has been addressed elsewhere in the comments section, this video was good
@@hajihajiwa Democratic socialism isn't really a thing. If we don't talk about philosophy concept, it's just an emotive version of social democracy. You love socialism? Go to Cuba.
@@IllustratetoEducate Say what you want about the tenets of Democratic Socialism, dude. At least, it's an ethos. Heil, Sanders! Heil AOC. Long live the DAZI party!
that's the reason why rest of the countries are devastated... Democratic Socialism does not work on most countries.. There are very few trustworthy government... And people's happiness should not be divide by their nationalities in which they didn't choose to born with
@@AutherComrade also because they're 1st world countries, so the US can't interfere as much as they have in the past. The US has a sketchy history of creating instability in socialist countries as a means of undermining the economic theory. No better way to prove your horse is best than by poisoning your rival's.
@@goreviee2371 So a regulated government with a division of powers to keep each branch in check is less trustworthy than independent billionaires with complete market control to suit their whims?
I'm still deciding what would be better but my problem with social democracy is that it seems to me that it's way harder to maitain. Because the neoliberal rich is constantly trying to sabotage it. In theory, with democratic socialism, shouldn't exist the "elite".
@@Obtite the thing is, they're not that far apart when you look at it in a grand scale. When compared to just corporate capitalism, I as a social democrat would always prefer democratic socialism. Sure, it is not what I'd love, but I'd highly prefer living under that than whatever else... So long as it is democratic and not revolutionary
Could we create a term for a hybrid of the two, basically social democracy that leans toward/errs on the side of democratic socialism vs. a more laissez-faire market (public and private sectors)? (Thinking of Germany or Australia more than Switzerland or the Netherlands, for example, very basic “roof-over-head” housing as a human right, right to optimal health to become productive and flourish, access to higher education, etc.) Merci !
@@goreviee2371 Absolutely incorrect considering Norway at least. No destitute/poverty, no homeless. Considering the economic safety we got, It could very well be one of the strongest economies. 2008 crisis: Hardly noticeable. Covid: Economically hardly noticeable. Recent price jump for electricity in Europe: Hardly noticeable. Many countries have explosive housing prices, but not here. So, It not Norway or other Nordics. Germany and France have been ruled out, so i got to ask, to which country are you referring to?
@@goreviee2371Wasn't the case in Czech Republic between 2013 and 2017 when the Social Democratic Party was in charge. We had fairly small poverty back then.
Thank you for the presentation! I always thought that democratic socialism was more leftist then social democracy, I guess I was right! Now I know I favor social democracy!
No. Standard socialism is better. Socialism will never be allowed to develope simply with democratic, non violent means. Every time a socialist experiment managed to hold its ground for a while it had to employ force, since the most powerful states in History were hellbent to destroy them. We all wish the owner class would allow a peaceful and democratic transition, but its no more realistic than it once was to expect slavery to end through peaceful means alone. If you think they'd ever allow socialism to develope peacefully just look at what they did to Allende and the whole Condor operation.
Fantastisk video! I just want to point out that Democratic Socialism is an extremely wide umbrella term and what you talked about is Democratic Marked Socialism
very helpful and comprehensive video but, in your past video ''Socialism Vs Communism'' you referred to sweden/norway/denmark as ''democratic socialism'' rather than ''social democracy'', and since you're now saying there aren't any countries that fit the definition i'd appreciate some clarification as to why they did in your old video
Yeah the earlier version has some errors where i mixed the definitions of social democracy and democratic socialism. I wish I could go back and correct it. This video is much more accurate.
@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 That's what they would lead you to believe here in America though. These beliefs are actually considered radical smh...
What you call democratic socialism, was the original definition of social democracy. With time, social democracy morphed into what it is today, which really remind more of social liberalism. Seem like when you sit in power and constantly appease the capitalists enough that they won´t coup you, your political movement will eventually abandon the ambition for actual socialism.
Is Trudoviks party are Social Democracy or Democratic Socialism? cuz last time I come check again in Wiki is change from "Social Democracy" to "Democratic Socialism".
Both of them are needed. Choosing only one is like a YING without a YANG... And it's a "Wellness" state, not welfare. Change the birds eye view... Thanks.
Social democracy was originally defined as a form of democratic socialism wich aimed to achieve socialism in a more gradual way. 'Current" social democracy should never be viewed as a form of socialism. People like to argue in favor of socialism using social democracy. It used to be a "strain" of socialism, it is not anymore and. Please also dont confuse state intervention/ownership with central planning or public ownership. Just a note, have a nice dat everyone.
@@thetruedemocraticnorth "Socialism is the half way point on the road to communism".-- Karl Marx " The goal of socialism is communism".-- V. Lenin These folks know way better than you.
@@sidengland6302 socialism and communism at the time were the same, but those terms have changed over the years. socialism is arguably the economic periodization after capitalism expires and communism is the next periodization of economic history after socialism is completed. history have shown that when a system of economy dies or passes away, it gives birth to a new one, which means that capitalism will eventually be remembered like feudalism and give birth to socialism.
Back then Britain was rules by Clement Atlee who I think is a social-democrat. Democratic Socialism hasn t really grown out of Capitalism anywhere yet.
During your end comparison you eliminated the aspect that soc dom govt. Also provides health care and school. Also the fact that you can have any style of business in capitalism. Like a worker runned co op.
@@frafrafrafrafra That's not INCENTIVE. Money is why you open a business. So if a businessman can't get rich, what's the INCENTIVE to open a business under socialism?
What is called Social Democracy in this video would be better described as the Nordic Model. Using the term Social Democracy to describe it is confusing since the term is used in reference both to Democratic Socialism and the Nordic Model.
It's a silly term i my opinion. Call it what it is: a welfare state. There are Nordic politicians here on TH-cam debunking this whole socialism thing. They say rather clearly that they are market economies with high taxes to PAY for what they have. Some like Norway can do it because they have immense reserves of money from fossil fuel sales, so their people don't even have to pay the taxes for their services. One Danish politician pointed out that they experimented with socialism and that it was a disaster, so the government pulled itself OUT of different industries and allowed the market to do its thing. There is no 'Nordic Model'. It's just how involved do you want government to be in your lives? And how much of your own earnings are YOU willing to give up? How much FREEDOM are you willing to give up?
That is a difference the Americans make. For us Europeans it is the the same. We have socialist parties, but that is the politics. Our social systems are social democratic. Don't make it useless complicated. Even our right wing parties are social democratic
What I want is eventual communism with social democracy or democratic socialism serving as a path to it and eliminating misconceptions and building trust in communism
Social Democracy is a transition to Democratic Socialism. they all need time to develop. by far is a crushing better option to replace Liberalism and overcome Capitalism once for all.
In my day... when I was studying Economics.... the controversy was between Americanism, Fascism and Communism and I'm not sure I have ever understood the controversy. There is talk about raising chickens in pens without light or much space to move and how Cattle are raised and fed and I do wonder at times whether this is in the future for Human Beings. I guess it bothers me because I was once told that I was not allowed to have any friends and the reason I was not allowed to have friends is that people were afraid I would not work. At the time it was just before the Prom and I ended up working Prom Night in my Fast Food place serving burgers and such. It was a part time job... maybe 32 hours a week if I was lucky and what would be the problem of having a few friends the other 100 plus hours a week? I simply don't know if any system will make a difference in the future of Humanity or if any change will make anything better. People are talking about Capitalism as slavery but what is Communism. And even if I advocated for Communism would the "form" of Communism matter? I mean, would how Communism or Social Democracy or Democratic Socialism or Capitalism or Americanism ... would the how a system was implemented be more important than changing the system? I did not realize that I'd get the reputation for being a radical if I talked about these subjects so I always go back to freedom, Democracy and Capitalism or American Mixed Economics as being as good as any system because how the elements of an Economy are implemented might be as important as what is implemented. There are so many questions and so many people doing research and it is all valuable ... maybe we will come up with a perfect system or maybe we'll just come up with a very imperfect system but the millions of people who are suffering will have no voice and will not matter because they aren't worth anything. So even while I search for something of value I still come back to hard work and making an effort to be prosperous and successful. And if society has already decided I am not worth anything ... if the decision has already been made... then maybe my battle is already lost. There was a time when improving the system meant something to me... but it also equaled hard work and diligence. If a man graduates from High School and finds employment at $70,000 a year working somewhere such that he has a decent income and all... sure there is more to life than money but the variables are incredible. Does he have a wife and family he loves and does he like his work and is he telling us the truth when he answers these questions or is he lying because he thinks he has to lie? Is he really happy or does he just say he's happy? People can get angry with you for simply asking a question.
More people like you are needed my guy.. I sympathize with the fact you don't or didn't exactly have ideal life because of social relations and norms. But the fact you are willing to still go with realism even knowing to admit we don't and never will have a perfect life is honorable and noteworthy. And I want a project that could perhaps help humanity one last time. A final ditch effort that even United Nations would have to participate in to work.. Replacement of child births with adoption combined with adopting Protesting nature that refuses violent unless self-defensive actions. A Common enemy is both overpopulation and underpopulation. We reach ovepopulation by breeding and we reach underpopulation by not giving Birth. Best before having the highest Birth months is to relocate any existing children that live in overpopulated nations to parents that are qualified for child care and want a child. Animals have adapted this nature of taking care of other babies of different species including ours. So what stops us from doing the same within our species? Sadly Ego and Pride.
In the view of educated marxists, there is a fatal flaw in each system. Social democracies fail to stop capitalists from exploiting third world labor and stealing the wealth of other nations. Democratic socialism simply never happens because the ruling class of a capitalist society never abdicate their power peacefully.
Social democracy is unstable, and the wealthy can reassert control like the neolibs in the 80s. However, it can create conditions for the working class to transition to socialism.
We need a revolution to overthrow the capitalists but that makes for a vulnerable nation that tyrants and dictators can seize to make a dictatorship. Infact, that's what happened in Russia in the October Revolution.
Democratic Socialism doesn't work. Here's why. Suppose you have a village where everyone has collectively agreed that they will all build each others' houses. Naturally, some people will start slacking off, not helping to build anyone's houses but still expecting houses to be built for them. What do you do then? You either force them to keep working at gunpoint, in which case the system has collapsed into Dictatorial Socialism, or (the more natural and obvious response) you say to them "If you won't help build anyone else's houses, we won't build any houses for you", in which case the system has just collapsed back into Capitalism.
Socialists are hateful, irrational narcissists. Motivated not by justice and virtue as they would have you believe, but by laziness, bitterness, a sense of entitlement, and a Kindergartner's understanding of reality. I shouldn't have to explain to grown adults why everything can't just be free. It's like trying to explain to a toddler why they can't just eat ice cream for dinner. The greatest irony of it is that successful Socialism, or even just a generous welfare state, requires as a minimum the maintenance of a strong community spirit on a grand scale. But it's the very kind of people that become Socialists that put me right off the idea. They are the absolute last people I would want to work for for free.
Either you didn’t read the fine print on the “MAGA” stuff or you’re not tired of the politics of our day. Just supposed to be humorous. But if you didn’t find it that way, that’s fine.
Would be nice to not have to hear the platitude "generous social benefits" in each and every context where someone tries to explain the Scandinavian model. If you go to the bank and withdraw some or all your savings for whatever purpose you see fit, would it make much sense to talk about a generous bank?
Sorry but it’s just a dream Go get yourself good education, become competitive worker or even start your own business rather than dreaming that other people will pay for your laziness.
Canada would be considered a Social Democracy as well. Also one if the largest economies in the world. It adapted its views from the Scandanavian countries and continues to create a robust economy but has been hijacked by the far left as of late. Hoping this will change next election.
@@Nottheworst4565 Ukraine is and all Europe combined couldn't stop Russia... Ukraine needed our weapons and dollars... Several nato members, even recently, have called for increased spending on defense to get out from under the US defense umbrella...
Since writing my comment I've come to believe cooperatives are capitalist structures as the means of production are still privately owned, even if ownership is shared by the members of the coop.
This video is completely inaccurate. Here is a MUCH better explanation of socialism vs democratic socialism! th-cam.com/video/37WPYpmEGlc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=NBCNews
No? Communism is the government owning all property and means of production. Private businesses exist in Denmark, private property is the norm in western Europe.
@naturaldisaster2 Sure, but taxes are used well in a place like Denmark. Other places are unfortunately not only too big government but very corrupt. Denmark is also the least corrupt country in the world.
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This is exactly what I'm searching for. Love your videos man.
Glad I could help! Thank you!
What about Cuba or Vietnam? Are they examples of Democratic Socialism?@@IllustratetoEducate
It still baffles me to understand why there is always a mix up between Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism, for someone who just started this journey of learning it is quite confusing.
Me tooo!
Because the name sounds similar and, at least in the United States, a Social Democrat is often accused of being a Socialist in order to discredit them. This has gone on so long that the majority of the population wrongly associate any kind of welfare or government regulation with socialism.
As a Norwegian who likes to discuss, this theme is often up. And I've always had the opinion that even though we are a mix of all 3 "sides" (capitalism, democratic socialism and social democracy) we lean a little more to the democratic socialism side. This is usually a unpopular opinion. Rarely that anyone from this country object, but often those from countries that falls strongly over to the capitalism side. (yeah, that one)
Considering the description in the video, i still say at least 50-50 ds-sd
There is one thing i have learned from this: If anyone says they know for sure which side we fall on, they have no idea what they're talking about, as there is no clear cut answer. Confusion is mandatory.
If it's well developed, Social Democracy is a transition to Democratic Socialism.
As a democratic-socialist the reason is because social democracy and democratic-socialism have the same goal but different ideas
The UK government from 1945 to 1951 under clement attlee was social democracy, NOT democratic socialism, though the government aimed to "eventually" create it.
The same was true in 1964 to 1970 under Harold Wilson, and again from 1975 to 1979 under James Callaghan
All of these leaders were socialists, but the UK under their leadership was Social-Democratic
You didn't understand the main difference: democratic socialism seeks to GRADUALLY reach socialism.
So YES, on short term they seem similar since they will, specially at start, will promote the exact same policies.
Hence the word "closest"
Nice video and well done 🙂
I just posted it to a Nextdoor post where someone was yet again believing that any "controlling" aspect to our lives was "communism". Pointing out that our republic is closer to a Social Democracy now than anything related to communism/socialism, I also reminded them that we live in a nation of laws, and are absolutely "controlled" by those. Some people just don't know how to _think_ 😄
Nice! Thanks for using it to clear up misunderstanding! 👍🏼
Or we could have no laws and you could be living in Z society were people walk into your business and steal from you like they are in California.
Hard pass.
Social democracy is functioning within the capitalistic framework. Democratic socialism on the other hand requires the abolishment of capitalism in order to function.
no, it requires the gradual fazing out capitalism within a few sectors at a time 3:42
Democratic socialism is not always socialism achieved through democratic means; it is simply socialism alongside democracy; for example, one may be a revolutionary democratic socialist, believing that capitalism is inherently undemocratic and believing that socialist revolution would be the only path to true democracy; other than this, and what has been addressed elsewhere in the comments section, this video was good
So social democracy describes my ideals better.
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@@plasticZarathustralmfao i was just coming here to say the same thing. half measures will avail us nothing, socialism is the only path forward
@@hajihajiwa Democratic socialism isn't really a thing. If we don't talk about philosophy concept, it's just an emotive version of social democracy.
You love socialism? Go to Cuba.
@@ziyu8061 or vietnam!
@@ziyu8061 why is it "not a real thing" in your half baked opinion?
One is a synergetic mix of two economic systems the other is a total overhaul simply put thanks for this vid!
Great point! Thank you 🙏🏼
@@IllustratetoEducate Say what you want about the tenets of Democratic Socialism, dude. At least, it's an ethos. Heil, Sanders! Heil AOC. Long live the DAZI party!
@@rodneyboehner3007what is bro yappin about 🗣️
Could you do a video on “ Imperialism “ please
My politics are pretty much just the three arrow movement in Weimar Germany.
No monarchy, no nazis, no communists.
Social Democracy, Public Welfare and Social Justice may live long 🌹
It's hard to say. Both do bring up good points.
With democratic socialism have to change the already system,i suppose it cound made it difficult to implement;clear social democracy win
Thanks!
Finally, a video on this topic. Thanks
More to come! Glad you like it.
@@IllustratetoEducate No problem, your impartial method in approaching topics like this is what the world needs more than ever.
that's the reason why countries like Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway are ranked top as the happiest people in the world..
that's the reason why rest of the countries are devastated... Democratic Socialism does not work on most countries.. There are very few trustworthy government... And people's happiness should not be divide by their nationalities in which they didn't choose to born with
@@AutherComrade also because they're 1st world countries, so the US can't interfere as much as they have in the past. The US has a sketchy history of creating instability in socialist countries as a means of undermining the economic theory. No better way to prove your horse is best than by poisoning your rival's.
@@goreviee2371exactly
But they have too many immigrants
@@goreviee2371 So a regulated government with a division of powers to keep each branch in check is less trustworthy than independent billionaires with complete market control to suit their whims?
I'm a democratic socialist, but, I wouldn't mind a social democracy.
EDIT: I am now a proud social democrat.
I'm still deciding what would be better but my problem with social democracy is that it seems to me that it's way harder to maitain. Because the neoliberal rich is constantly trying to sabotage it. In theory, with democratic socialism, shouldn't exist the "elite".
Same
Social democrat here, I wouldn't mind democratic socialism, so long as it is done well without any revolution.
But the 2 modes of goverment fundamentally contridicts each other
@@Obtite the thing is, they're not that far apart when you look at it in a grand scale. When compared to just corporate capitalism, I as a social democrat would always prefer democratic socialism. Sure, it is not what I'd love, but I'd highly prefer living under that than whatever else... So long as it is democratic and not revolutionary
Could we create a term for a hybrid of the two, basically social democracy that leans toward/errs on the side of democratic socialism vs. a more laissez-faire market (public and private sectors)? (Thinking of Germany or Australia more than Switzerland or the Netherlands, for example, very basic “roof-over-head” housing as a human right, right to optimal health to become productive and flourish, access to higher education, etc.) Merci !
It's called "Norway" 😅
Social democracy aims to guarantee rights to basic services as well
why there's so many poverty then?
@@goreviee2371 not in germany, france, or the nordic countries there isn't
@@goreviee2371 Absolutely incorrect considering Norway at least. No destitute/poverty, no homeless. Considering the economic safety we got, It could very well be one of the strongest economies. 2008 crisis: Hardly noticeable. Covid: Economically hardly noticeable. Recent price jump for electricity in Europe: Hardly noticeable. Many countries have explosive housing prices, but not here.
So, It not Norway or other Nordics. Germany and France have been ruled out, so i got to ask, to which country are you referring to?
@@goreviee2371Wasn't the case in Czech Republic between 2013 and 2017 when the Social Democratic Party was in charge.
We had fairly small poverty back then.
An excellent, and informative video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very insightful and well explained. Thank you for this 👏👍
No problem! Glad you found it helpful! :)
Thank you for the presentation! I always thought that democratic socialism was more leftist then social democracy, I guess I was right! Now I know I favor social democracy!
democratic socialism provide housing
isnt democratic socialism better on the long term though? Or a mix of 2?
What you mean?
No. Standard socialism is better. Socialism will never be allowed to develope simply with democratic, non violent means. Every time a socialist experiment managed to hold its ground for a while it had to employ force, since the most powerful states in History were hellbent to destroy them. We all wish the owner class would allow a peaceful and democratic transition, but its no more realistic than it once was to expect slavery to end through peaceful means alone. If you think they'd ever allow socialism to develope peacefully just look at what they did to Allende and the whole Condor operation.
@@tasfa10
socialism is the following of capitalism, it's inevitable
@angolaproductions2011
the Soviet Union collapse because of shock therapy. privatization of socialism leads to economic collapse
@@levelzanimations Must be why the USSR collapsed along with the rest of the warsaw pact and china abanoned real socialism for a corporatist economy
I mean what is the value of a quarter with the head side up or the tail side up?
Fantastisk video! I just want to point out that Democratic Socialism is an extremely wide umbrella term and what you talked about is Democratic Marked Socialism
very helpful and comprehensive video but, in your past video ''Socialism Vs Communism'' you referred to sweden/norway/denmark as ''democratic socialism'' rather than ''social democracy'', and since you're now saying there aren't any countries that fit the definition i'd appreciate some clarification as to why they did in your old video
Yeah the earlier version has some errors where i mixed the definitions of social democracy and democratic socialism. I wish I could go back and correct it. This video is much more accurate.
Could you make a video about Classical Social Democracy? Its not the same as Social Democracy look it up its related to luxemburguism.
Yeah I could see getting to that as one of my next political ideology videos
Another outstanding presentation!!!
Thank you! I really appreciate it 🙏🏼
@@IllustratetoEducate which 1 do you prefer???
Yeah, Democratic Socialism.
W Social Democracy
Nicaragua under the Sandinistas in the 1980s is an example of democratic socialism
I'm a registered Democratic Socialist here in NY. Why? Because I believe that ALL Americans deserve housing, education, and healthcare as a RIGHT!
I mean that doesnt necessarily make you a socialist...
@palatasikuntheyoutubecomme2046 That's what they would lead you to believe here in America though. These beliefs are actually considered radical smh...
That doesn’t make you socialist,that makes you a sane human.
@@thingocsuongbui806 No, it makes you an idealistic and ignorant human.
Enjoyed it-enjoyed your demonstration of social democracy
Thank you!! 🙏🏼
What you call democratic socialism, was the original definition of social democracy. With time, social democracy morphed into what it is today, which really remind more of social liberalism.
Seem like when you sit in power and constantly appease the capitalists enough that they won´t coup you, your political movement will eventually abandon the ambition for actual socialism.
I love your videos!!
Thank you so much for being a fan of the channel. 🙏🏼
Make a video on Classical Social Democracy vs Modernised Social Democracy (Third Way)
Modern Social Democracy isn't third way
Is Trudoviks party are Social Democracy or Democratic Socialism? cuz last time I come check again in Wiki is change from "Social Democracy" to "Democratic Socialism".
Very helpful. Thanks!
Both of them are needed. Choosing only one is like a YING without a YANG... And it's a "Wellness" state, not welfare. Change the birds eye view... Thanks.
This vide glazed over, ignored, and oversimplified a lot, but for a four minute video it was excellently done.
Thanks! My videos are all meant to be very simple and introductory.
Social democracy was originally defined as a form of democratic socialism wich aimed to achieve socialism in a more gradual way. 'Current" social democracy should never be viewed as a form of socialism. People like to argue in favor of socialism using social democracy. It used to be a "strain" of socialism, it is not anymore and. Please also dont confuse state intervention/ownership with central planning or public ownership. Just a note, have a nice dat everyone.
They're just the polite way of saying communism.
do you what communism is at least?
@@thetruedemocraticnorth of course I do.
@@sidengland6302
no, you don't. those two ideologies aren't communist, one is socialist, the other is social capitalist.
@@thetruedemocraticnorth "Socialism is the half way point on the road to communism".-- Karl Marx
" The goal of socialism is communism".-- V. Lenin
These folks know way better than you.
@@sidengland6302
socialism and communism at the time were the same, but those terms have changed over the years. socialism is arguably the economic periodization after capitalism expires and communism is the next periodization of economic history after socialism is completed. history have shown that when a system of economy dies or passes away, it gives birth to a new one, which means that capitalism will eventually be remembered like feudalism and give birth to socialism.
Back then Britain was rules by Clement Atlee who I think is a social-democrat. Democratic Socialism hasn t really grown out of Capitalism anywhere yet.
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I feel that social democracy is the perfect balance. Democratic socialism seems too communist.
And do you know what communism is?
A system that works neither in its full form, which includes no state and no currency, or practiced form, which includes authoritarianism. @@Gluonz
During your end comparison you eliminated the aspect that soc dom govt. Also provides health care and school. Also the fact that you can have any style of business in capitalism. Like a worker runned co op.
1:49
"But the parasite says 'No'!"
What's the INCENTIVE to open a business under either ideology?
Also username checks out
To provide a service
@@frafrafrafrafra That's not INCENTIVE.
Money is why you open a business.
So if a businessman can't get rich, what's the INCENTIVE to open a business under socialism?
Money, same as before, you just can’t make exorbitant amounts of money off of other people’s work.
@@KenH60109 You aren't. You do know how wealth is accumulated?
It's by buying stocks and other assets that produce income.
I’m guessing the United States don’t fit neither one of these
correct, the United States is a capitalist democracy, and a very poor example of one at that
Unfortunately the US fits nicely into Social Democracy.
Canada is also a social democracy
Canada is trying to be a social democracy
@@olgaleonenko9334
canada is trying to a democratic socialist country
Market socialism vs social democracy ? 🙏🏻
I think of my self as more of a supporter of Social Democracy, but I like the welfare part of Democratic socialism more :)
What is called Social Democracy in this video would be better described as the Nordic Model. Using the term Social Democracy to describe it is confusing since the term is used in reference both to Democratic Socialism and the Nordic Model.
It's a silly term i my opinion. Call it what it is: a welfare state. There are Nordic politicians here on TH-cam debunking this whole socialism thing. They say rather clearly that they are market economies with high taxes to PAY for what they have. Some like Norway can do it because they have immense reserves of money from fossil fuel sales, so their people don't even have to pay the taxes for their services. One Danish politician pointed out that they experimented with socialism and that it was a disaster, so the government pulled itself OUT of different industries and allowed the market to do its thing. There is no 'Nordic Model'. It's just how involved do you want government to be in your lives? And how much of your own earnings are YOU willing to give up? How much FREEDOM are you willing to give up?
Very useful
That is a difference the Americans make. For us Europeans it is the the same. We have socialist parties, but that is the politics. Our social systems are social democratic. Don't make it useless complicated. Even our right wing parties are social democratic
Democratic Socialism is based
What I want is eventual communism with social democracy or democratic socialism serving as a path to it and eliminating misconceptions and building trust in communism
Social Democracy is a transition to Democratic Socialism. they all need time to develop. by far is a crushing better option to replace Liberalism and overcome Capitalism once for all.
In my day... when I was studying Economics.... the controversy was between Americanism, Fascism and Communism and I'm not sure I have ever understood the controversy. There is talk about raising chickens in pens without light or much space to move and how Cattle are raised and fed and I do wonder at times whether this is in the future for Human Beings. I guess it bothers me because I was once told that I was not allowed to have any friends and the reason I was not allowed to have friends is that people were afraid I would not work. At the time it was just before the Prom and I ended up working Prom Night in my Fast Food place serving burgers and such. It was a part time job... maybe 32 hours a week if I was lucky and what would be the problem of having a few friends the other 100 plus hours a week? I simply don't know if any system will make a difference in the future of Humanity or if any change will make anything better. People are talking about Capitalism as slavery but what is Communism. And even if I advocated for Communism would the "form" of Communism matter? I mean, would how Communism or Social Democracy or Democratic Socialism or Capitalism or Americanism ... would the how a system was implemented be more important than changing the system? I did not realize that I'd get the reputation for being a radical if I talked about these subjects so I always go back to freedom, Democracy and Capitalism or American Mixed Economics as being as good as any system because how the elements of an Economy are implemented might be as important as what is implemented. There are so many questions and so many people doing research and it is all valuable ... maybe we will come up with a perfect system or maybe we'll just come up with a very imperfect system but the millions of people who are suffering will have no voice and will not matter because they aren't worth anything. So even while I search for something of value I still come back to hard work and making an effort to be prosperous and successful. And if society has already decided I am not worth anything ... if the decision has already been made... then maybe my battle is already lost. There was a time when improving the system meant something to me... but it also equaled hard work and diligence. If a man graduates from High School and finds employment at $70,000 a year working somewhere such that he has a decent income and all... sure there is more to life than money but the variables are incredible. Does he have a wife and family he loves and does he like his work and is he telling us the truth when he answers these questions or is he lying because he thinks he has to lie? Is he really happy or does he just say he's happy? People can get angry with you for simply asking a question.
I thought this was a very beautiful comment. Thank you for sharing.
More people like you are needed my guy..
I sympathize with the fact you don't or didn't exactly have ideal life because of social relations and norms.
But the fact you are willing to still go with realism even knowing to admit we don't and never will have a perfect life is honorable and noteworthy.
And I want a project that could perhaps help humanity one last time.
A final ditch effort that even United Nations would have to participate in to work..
Replacement of child births with adoption
combined with adopting Protesting nature that refuses violent unless self-defensive actions.
A Common enemy is both overpopulation and underpopulation.
We reach ovepopulation by breeding and we reach underpopulation by not giving Birth.
Best before having the highest Birth months is to relocate any existing children that live in overpopulated nations to parents that are qualified for child care and want a child.
Animals have adapted this nature of taking care of other babies of different species including ours.
So what stops us from doing the same within our species?
Sadly Ego and Pride.
If I could afford it, I'd move to Denmark.
Damn making them mean different thing and just position different was the worst idea ever😂
Democratic Socialism sounds like communism with extra steps
Yep
BASICALLY WE NEED MNORE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISM K THANKS
Im finding myself to be kindoff inbetween the two
In the view of educated marxists, there is a fatal flaw in each system. Social democracies fail to stop capitalists from exploiting third world labor and stealing the wealth of other nations. Democratic socialism simply never happens because the ruling class of a capitalist society never abdicate their power peacefully.
One makes a country rich (nordics) and the other one is fiction
But they appear to work. So these "educated" Marxists can critique all they want but their system is flawed from the get go.
Social democracy is unstable, and the wealthy can reassert control like the neolibs in the 80s. However, it can create conditions for the working class to transition to socialism.
We need a revolution to overthrow the capitalists but that makes for a vulnerable nation that tyrants and dictators can seize to make a dictatorship. Infact, that's what happened in Russia in the October Revolution.
@@realdragao6367social democracy does not make country rich, rather it's rich countries that can be social democracies.
So just capitalism vs socialism
Democratic Socialism doesn't work. Here's why.
Suppose you have a village where everyone has collectively agreed that they will all build each others' houses. Naturally, some people will start slacking off, not helping to build anyone's houses but still expecting houses to be built for them.
What do you do then? You either force them to keep working at gunpoint, in which case the system has collapsed into Dictatorial Socialism, or (the more natural and obvious response) you say to them "If you won't help build anyone else's houses, we won't build any houses for you", in which case the system has just collapsed back into Capitalism.
Socialists are hateful, irrational narcissists. Motivated not by justice and virtue as they would have you believe, but by laziness, bitterness, a sense of entitlement, and a Kindergartner's understanding of reality. I shouldn't have to explain to grown adults why everything can't just be free. It's like trying to explain to a toddler why they can't just eat ice cream for dinner.
The greatest irony of it is that successful Socialism, or even just a generous welfare state, requires as a minimum the maintenance of a strong community spirit on a grand scale. But it's the very kind of people that become Socialists that put me right off the idea. They are the absolute last people I would want to work for for free.
it has never been practice anywhere in the world... how could you possibly know?
I enjoyed the video very much. But why the Scab-like, Reactionary MAGA crap in the Illustrate to Educate store??
Either you didn’t read the fine print on the “MAGA” stuff or you’re not tired of the politics of our day. Just supposed to be humorous. But if you didn’t find it that way, that’s fine.
Democratic Socialist here🤚
No, it’s not because that is the government
Isn't Venezuela Democratic Socialism
no, it's a marxist-lenninists country
@@levelzanimationsThe goal of socialism is communism.
Vladimir Lenin
@@anthonyoer4778
the goal of capitalism is imperialism and then its final phase which is fascism.
@levelzanimations such an intellectual response...thank you.
One is capitalistic and the other is communist
That’s a good way of summing it up 👍🏼
Democratic Socialism isn't communism
Would be nice to not have to hear the platitude "generous social benefits" in each and every context where someone tries to explain the Scandinavian model. If you go to the bank and withdraw some or all your savings for whatever purpose you see fit, would it make much sense to talk about a generous bank?
Sorry but it’s just a dream
Go get yourself good education, become competitive worker or even start your own business rather than dreaming that other people will pay for your laziness.
'Promo sm'
וואי וואי וואי..זה חתיכת כתב אישום חמור מאין כמוהו..
I think some Social Democracy states are: France, Canada and Austria.
I also think some Democratic Socialist states are: Norway, Sweden and Denmark.
Non of the Scandinavian countries are socialist. Private business make up huge parts of their economies.
@@Fuhrerjehova There got alot of social programs
They all are soc dem
I would say that Nordic counties are closer to social democracy and Canada is more inclined towards Social Liberalism
Scandinavians are not socialists ffs
Canada would be considered a Social Democracy as well. Also one if the largest economies in the world. It adapted its views from the Scandanavian countries and continues to create a robust economy but has been hijacked by the far left as of late. Hoping this will change next election.
No European country has a real military 😅😅😅
@@Nottheworst4565 exactly... nothing of anything meaningful
@@Nottheworst4565 rofl... all of them together couldn't handle Russia...
@Nottheworst4565 they could not... they needed US weapons
@@Nottheworst4565 Ukraine is and all Europe combined couldn't stop Russia... Ukraine needed our weapons and dollars...
Several nato members, even recently, have called for increased spending on defense to get out from under the US defense umbrella...
@Nottheworst4565 whatever pittance they sent it wasn't enough...
Cooperatives are not an essential feature of democratic socialism.
No, but they are a common, and I would say useful, tool.
Since writing my comment I've come to believe cooperatives are capitalist structures as the means of production are still privately owned, even if ownership is shared by the members of the coop.
So social democracy works and democratic socialism don’t
If only USA would go either way! I would line up to get a job there. Capitalizm suxx!
America 😂😂😂
Sri Lanka is an example for democratic socialist country
nan it's not
It's a very nepotistic, capitalist state ruled by corrupt elite families who took over after colonisation.
De jure socialism, but quite clearly not de facto socialism
Socialism through democratic means. Ooooooookkkkeyyyyyyy.
This video is completely inaccurate. Here is a MUCH better explanation of socialism vs democratic socialism!
th-cam.com/video/37WPYpmEGlc/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=NBCNews
This video wasn’t about socialism vs democratic socialism. Probably why you thought it was inaccurate. Make sure to read the title carefully…
so pretty much two forms of communism
No? Communism is the government owning all property and means of production. Private businesses exist in Denmark, private property is the norm in western Europe.
@@grengrenhuskey ok so tax the crap out of businesses to supplement everyone else. Sounds like big government to me.
@naturaldisaster2 Sure, but taxes are used well in a place like Denmark.
Other places are unfortunately not only too big government but very corrupt.
Denmark is also the least corrupt country in the world.
How is that communism?
Smartest Right-Winger ever
Thank you
You're welcome
very well done, brother...
to hell with the ignorant!