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- Mr. Beat and Mr. Barris explain political spectrums and why the whole left versus right paradigm does more harm than good.
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What do people mean when they say that they are “right wing” or “left wing” or on The Right or The Left? Well, the whole left vs. right political spectrum started during the French Revolution. For more about this, I’m going to send you to Barris, from the channel This is Barris! So HERE is Barris.
Thank you for having me over Mr. Beat! To discover the origins of the left v right paradigm, one must go as far as 1789 with the creation of the National Constituent Assembly, whose main task was to create a constitution. Now, while France is proudly republican today and any trace of royalty has long been guillotined away, that wasn’t always the case and a large portion of the population supported the King, or at least those who represented that population. As such when on November 11th, 1789, the assembly had to vote on whether the constitution would grant the King an absolute veto or a partial veto, those who favored an absolute veto were asked to sit on the right of the President of the Assembly and those who favored a partial veto, which was the more radical position, were asked to sit on the President of the Assembly. This wasn’t done symbolically but… to make the vote count easier for the President of the Assembly who felt a bit overwhelmed by the 1,500 deputies. And just like that, France started this idea of change vs tradition, of liberalism vs conservatism which still shapes the political landscape to this day!
It would take another century before the left vs right spectrum became popular outside of France. In the beginning of the 20th century, as revolutions were sprouting across the world, the press and academics needed a quick way to categorize the different ideologies that were fighting each other, especially as these ideologies, both left and right, became increasingly radical. For example, the Bolsheviks, who loved anything related to the French revolution, immediately embraced the leftwing v rightwing spectrum but used themselves as the center. In England, however, it took longer to become popular and books only started referencing it in the late 1920s. Adoption in the US was just as slow but eventually, as partisanship increased in the 1960s during the civil rights movement, the idea of a left vs right political spectrum cemented along the beliefs of both parties.
Well, often the political spectrum looks something like this. On the left side of politics, you tend to see ideas like liberty, equality (aka egalitarianism), progress, and internationalism. On the right side of politics, you tend to see ideas like authority, hierarchy, tradition, and nationalism. On the left, you often see reform, while on the right, you often see reaction. Those on the left tend to want MORE government involvement to make society better. They want it more top down, while those on the right tend to want LESS government involvement to make society better. They want it bottom up. Ideas on the left are often called “liberal” and ideas on the right are often called “conservative.”
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Is it time to get rid of the terms "left wing" and "right wing?"
I think that it's just an attempt to overly simplify where people stand politically. One that would be hard to categorise I believe is Theodore Roosevelt. The History Channel did a documentary about all the Presidents up to George W Bush and they summed up TR thus, "(...) The Republicans' worst nightmare had come to pass, Theodore Roosevelt was no longer just a heartbeat from the presidency, he was the president. TR as he liked to be called, was a complicated man, a mass of contradictions, and he could not be bullied. He was a Conservative, yet he fought for reforms. He was a hunter, who started the conservation movement. A hawk on war, who won Nobel Peace Prize. Perhaps the only thing that can be easily understood about him is that he was an original."
Much like how people rank presidents, I feel that there's a desire to group politicians into one of two boxes
Nah. Both definitions are are necessary to separate political ideas. The reason that they are devisive is because people have made it devisive. We just need to accept that people have different opinions and that's fine.
Though I believe we should make the compass more complex to separate the more complex factions of both sides.
How else would i call Hitler a leftist , which socialist are , shame on human history to want to hide that FACT.
It was time in 1849, when the conference of Vienna ended, indepth analyses is hindered by these terms but people are not that patient.
It's definitely been way overdue for an overhaul indeed.
*left wing* : nope
*right wing* : nah
*chicken wing* : yessir
Something we can all unite around.
I believe that's a Modest Mouse lyric.
Lukas Wegrzyn I just wanna grill for god’s sake
Dirty pathetic little centrist, I respect you
"Just gimme gimme gimme gimme - try chicken!" (c)
Not to sound controversial but I’m actually for the buffalo wing 😬
shut up. Bufftard
Gtfo everyone knows cthulu wing is better than buffalo wing.
I'll sign this petition
Chicken wing
Screw you, I’m on the airplane wing
Awesome Mr. Beat. I’m 67 years old and I still am not sure what the definition is and that’s why I’m here . Thank you
Binging Mr. Beat videos on this stormy evening! Great video!
Remember: No matter which "side" your on when the people representing your side do bad things, you still need to stand up against them.
@ㅤㅤQuandale Bongulius Ringle Rangleㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ Your right being an asshole is also an option...
Bad things like what?
@@MrChinesename It is VERY hard to find unbiased information on the topics I am going to talk about, but basically during the "pandemic" the attack of the institution and (elites organization) on basic rights (in Canada) under the excuse of a crisis, and the discrimination of those who refused to comply with the new totalitarian anti-constitutional, unethical and irrational guidelines has been something that a lot of people went along with driven by fear, mass induced psychosis, paranoia or just following the representation of authority figure. something along those lines might be a good example, their was also that similar thing that followed a similar path of event called ALL HUMAN HISTORY, EVERY TYRANNY, AND THAT THING THAT HAPPENED IN GERMANY. but don't worry as they all said "That would never happen HERE"
@@MrChinesename Also on an unrelated topic I don't think being gay is a personality treat. just like I don't think being heterosexual is.
when those on the left get caught doing "bad things" they're held accountable. when people on the right do "bad things" its always someone else's fault.
Democratic party: nope
Republican party: nah
Mario Party: *definitely*
No doubt about that
@Faris M reinterpreted*
@Faris M stolen reply
@Faris M But overall, who cares?
Democrats are actually center-right while GOP is far-right to the world.
Fantastic. Thank you Mr. Beat.
This is funny and at the same time informative. I've learnt quiet a lot and being able to go with the knowledge I was seeking. Thanks for your great effort.
Tell me. What did you learn?
@@user-wu9zg1br5xWatch the video?
The political spectrum changes drasticcly between countries
Absolutely, you can call to every French or German centrist citizen a Comunist berserker in the USA.
Yea, saw a video from a man who lives in Sweden but was from Yemen. People called him left wing in his home country but when he moved to a new country people call him alt right.
@@zurita1642 Here in Spain, center-right folks are monarchists and center-left folks are often anti-capitalist
That's definitely a point I should have brought up in the video!
A lot of American democrats are kind of conservative by european standards
The x axis should be chocolate to vanilla preference while the y axis should be accoustic music to electronic music.
Now this is a spectrum I can get behind
I’m pretty center
Than i would be an authoritarian communist
Lol
Yet again I am a centrist.
this is just thrillingly useful. thanks Mr. Beat!
Great video! Informative and objective.
Someone pls call jreg to deal with this centrist who doesn't understand the 100-dimensions political model
lol I didn't know about Jreg, but I shall definitely check his stuff out
@@iammrbeat I'd kill for you two to collab
Mr. Beat i feel conflicted if you check out his stuff. Let’s just say it is place to not to be enlightened but to question whether having a human mind was a mistake or not.
Imagine not being a post anarcho primitivo monarchic nazbol with Chinese and Nordic characteristics
The problem is politics in the United States has moved so far right. To illustrate, Democrats are not moderate republicans and Republicans are so far right. To be a centrist right now it’s to be a Republican. I consider myself far Left, and feel that leftist should move the political spectrum back to the Left so it can balance out. It’s gotten so crazy that Bernie is basically considered a centrist in Europe.
I prefer to play centre forward but I can sometimes score goals from the right wing
I usually play left outside back sun times I switch to the right side or play midfield
I'm left footed so I'm always left forward or left defense
is your pfp the Flag for the 'St. Patrick's Battalion'?
@@anopirsten7565 Its the old Irish flag before we changed to the tricolour. St Patrick's Battalion would have been based off it.
@@corcaighogormghus4618 ah, thanks for the info
8:16 The plural of "axe" (pronounced like 'AKS') is "axes" (pronounced like 'AK-siz'). The plural of "axis" (pronounced like 'AK-sis') is "axes" (pronounced like 'AK-seez'). Both plurals are _spelled_ the same, but they are pronounced differently, specifically in the second syllable.
& then I axed him. Asked lol
I personally like the dichotomy of 'selectorate theory' where a position of power or decision-making is based on how much support is needed to enact that power; broad or narrow support, which is respectively about aligning interest with more people or less people. The more people you need, the more your policy needs to satisfy more universal needs; the less people you need, then you need only satisfy those few people and the more you can ignore the rest.
I'm getting pretty worn out on the whole left-wing right-wing and red state-blue state this that or the other. I think Life's a lot more complex than red blue left and right
You have the same last name as me, and the same name as a serial killer, I don’t know why I am telling you this but now you know
Robert Hansen thats why there is the political compass
That’s why being independent isn’t as bad as people that are religiously left or right say it is. You get to make your own choices and understand the nuisances of politics.
❤️
I agree.
Yep and how people judge so quickly without letting you speak, probably 90-95% are a mix...
See, this is just an example of why the world needs more charts.
PS - Beard's looking good.
You inspired me, what can I say? :D
It looks better now. I sent him to get his hair cut and beard shaved.
@@shannonbeat further proves your wife always knows the best way for you to look haha
josher1129 He sometimes gets past me! 😂
@@iammrbeat You should grow a beard
This whole political spectrum is nothing but a hindrance as it makes non mutually exclusive ideas mutually exclusive. It puts limits like "you can't do that because you're this" and then pretends it isn't ridiculous.
Both sides lump up each other with the extremists, that is why we can't have proper discussions. Every debate is about beating your opponent rather than finding a common solution. It becomes almost like a rap battle with fans of each side cheering and clapping after their side says something clever. But i guess when there is so much money and corruption involved in politics, it makes it impossible to have a proper debate.
All right vs. leftist debates in a nutshell.
Rightist: “you’re a communist!!”
Leftist: “no I’m not!”
Rightist: “that’s exactly what a filthy communist would say!!”
Leftist: “ridiculous!! I’m actually a moderate! It’s YOU who are the extremist!”
Rightist: “nonsense!! Clearly, you are a communist and that’s a fact!! I’m just a moderate centrist fighting against your communist extremism!”
Leftist: “no you’re not! You’re a filthy FASCIST! And I’m the centrist!!”
Rightist: “oh? So now you’re calling me a fascist?! That’s a completely ridiculous and insane strawman!! Just shows what an idiot you are and that you don’t understand anything!”
Leftist: “ha! You’re one to talk! With your bullshit smearing of me as a communist!”
Rightist: “but you ARE a communist!! And you calling me a fascist is proof of that!”
Leftist: “what?!? That’s EXACTLY what a fascist would say!!”
Rightist: “more crazy communist rhetoric!”
Leftist: “now you are basically ADMITTING to fascism!!”
Rightist: “no I’m not! You’re just seeing bullshit that isn’t there! I wouldn’t expect anything less from a COMMUNIST!!”
Leftist: “oh shut up, you stupid fascist!!”
Rightist: “you’re a communist!!!”
Leftist: “you’re a fascist!!!”
Rightist: “you’re a communist!!!”
Leftist: you’re a fascist!!!”
Rightist: “COMMUNIST!!!”
Leftist: “FASCIST!!!”
Rightist: COMMUNIST!!!”
Leftist: “FASCIST!!!”
After a few more hours of calling each other names, the leftist and rightist then precede to spend several more hours each claiming that they are an enlightened centrist moderate.
Deep
@@bnkdsociety4382 yeah
That's how divide and rule is made possible.
Ok I'm wearing a yellow top and I COMPLETELY FREAKED OUT when he said: " THAT'S RIGHT YOU... WITH THE YELLOW SHIRT."
lmao
Me too!! I put on my yellow batman shirt today after not wearing it for 3 months. And watch this guy for the first time ever... and he calls out my shirt??? Yeah I am all of a sudden drawn to watch every one of your videos my guy... good move lol
MEE TOO MANN
What's a shirt? #StalinDidNothingWrong
ME TOO😭
This is a great video thanks
Thank you for the video. I agree that using these right or left terms are too broad in scope, that’s why when people ask me where I stand I usually say that I’m conservative because I think it’s more specific.
The only party I am always for, is the Pizza Party.
Pizza Party 2020
I'm with the Mario Party
@@MPHJackson7Sounds like a good party to be part of.
@@iammrbeat Make Pizza Great Again!
Pizzagate is real folks
What about Jreg's 100 dimension political compass, teach ?
Now we're talking.
The only correct spectrum
What about the compass where the first dimension is between DVD cases and CD cases, followed by 99 other dimensions?
Jreg sucks
@@EuropeanQoheleth Honestly he really annoys me. Jreg's like the human personification of smug centrism.
great video man
Very well explained, thank you👍
I can’t wait for the political compass that is a crazy geometrical shape that is impossible to understand and is accepted as the best test! Great job and can’t wait for next Friday!
And yet is so complicated that no one pays attention to it! And thank you. :D
political dodecahedron?
Great, one more thing that will be gerrymandered.
@@meredithwhite272 Nah, the true political test has 4 axis. 1 axis makes a line, 2 axis makes a square, 3 axis makes a cube, and a 4 axis makes a tesseract. Which can't be visualized properely
So interesting, merci sir! 😊
Both sides have a list of issues that the electorate can't embrace. The voter gets abused either way. We always have to choose between bad or worse. They both do the bidding of their own special interest groups, that may not represent us. I'm fed up with both parties.
Good video. Really wish our country would stop being polarized, have more than two parties and was honest to each other.
Thank you. I really get tired of the polarization as well.
Stop voting for Democrats and Republicans and we can fix it easily
unfortunately the first-past-the-post election system naturally favors two parties with fairly nebulous coalition ideologies in any given election (they don’t have to be the same two nationwide) because a second candidate on any given side of any given issue splits that side’s voters and essentially hands the election to the other side. We need electoral reform for a preferential voting system, like Australia’s Instant-Runoff system or New Zealand’s Single-Transferrable Vote system so people can vote their conscience without hamstringing themselves.
Mikhail Mikhail Republicans aren’t interested in fixing anything.
@@punctuationman334 And Democrats are? They're still throwing a tantrum 4 years later lol
“Unless you’re a royalist, we’re all left wing.”
Conservatives: *Wait. That’s illegal.*
Royalists are the conservatives in Britain. Conservatives in the US want to conserve what the founding fathers put in place when they formed the country. Conservatives in Britain are much different than Conservatives in the United States.
Conservatives: "AAAAA I'm a dirty commie!
Me sat in the U.K. *GOD SAVE THE QUEEN* also at this point, I’m in favour of the queen taking a shot at governance again, she certainly couldn’t be worse than the majority of our and the world’s current politicians.
@@ajl8975
Don't spit childish idiocy.
I'm happy United Ireland, Independent Scotland, and hopefully England Republic will be the near future.
I wish it can be sooner so we can stop naming everything after that old hag. 🙄
@@MWV999 Yeah most Americans would be left wing back then. The most radically changing part of politics is social issues like progressivism, much different now than it was in the 1960's. Economic, Interventionists have changed little or none at all
Awesome video, made my history homework a breeze!
This is good. It presents different idealisms and what they are.
It’s up to you to decide where you believe you fit best
"Everything i dont like is left-wing."
-Prager "U"
Jack R ‽‽
Most of the secularists I know consider themselves right wing, ie in favor of limited government, minimum taxation, maximum individual liberty. I guess Mr. Beat is correct, the labels aren’t very useful.
ragU - Italian meat sauce
@@jpe1 Secular talk is the name of a progressive TH-cam channel
@Jack R Kyle doesn't like socialists
Everything I don't like is "the other side."
Great video, as always!!!!!
Thank you sir!
Very informative, thanks👍
Very well explained!
Thanks friend great info
Thank you for having me over Mr. Beat! It's a great video and I'm glad you gave me the chance to take part in it. Merde!
P.S: My voice is so messed up because I'm currently in Colorado and I'm not handling the dryness very well.
You can come over to my house any time...heck, next time maybe you can even get out of that frame. Heee hee
Please supreme being let me out!
This is Barris! - French History your content looks like it might be interesting but I can’t get past the cringe-y Terrance and Phillip animation. I kept fearing fart jokes as I watched...
@@jpe1 Ah yikes. It's only because my animation is so poor. I promise my normal videos have much less of it haha
@Daniel b Merde also means "good luck" or "farewell" in French.
Notice how Mr Beat sidestepped the question on his royalist sympathies.......
LONG LIVE THE KING.
@@iammrbeat Guillotine!
@@iammrbeat DOWN WITH THE KING
AND THE STATE
PUNCH A NAZI COMRADE
MrBeat This dude talking needs captions. Couldnt understand shit
BeastMode why didn’t you turn on captions then?
Love it,thanks alot
This is why we need a three axis system, competitive vs collaborative, conservative vs progressive and authoritarian vs libertarian.
? wouldn't it make more sense to have capitalism vs communism, conservative vs progressive, and authoritarian vs libertarian?
@@oogabooga7886 Capitalism is the dominant form of competitive politics, socialism the dominant form of collaborative. Alternatives exist for each, syndicalism for socialism for instance.
@@oogabooga7886 The sapply political compass actually has this, check it out for yourself.
@@EcclesiastesLiker-py5ts I'll admit "Competitive vs Collaborative" intrigued me very much.
Made me stop and think tbh very engaging comparison.
No love for constitutionalists I see.
I can't stand with either because I am always changing my mind due to the new information I learned. I'll stand with whoever has a better idea of solving problems. For now, I am just going to worry about myself because I can't trust no one. I can't trust big government or corporations. Every group has their own special interests. #worryaboutyourself
well, government and corporations are in bed with each other. It allows companies using its wealth to manipulate the government into giving it more power through tax breaks and regulations. It's literally crony capitalism
take the 8 values political test, it may not be perfect but it may help you get an idea
@Gringo I'm gonna press X on that one.
@Gringo idk abt that dude, seems like corporations will exploit anyone at any given moment as soon as there’s a profit incentive.
Yes both answer to the ruling power the freemasons. Welcome to the System.
What really matters now is Establishment vs Antiestablishment
But what are the criteria for categorizing "establishment" polices from "anti-establishment" policies?
@@MP-db9sw establishment is anything pro war or anything pro mandate (can’t say this, can’t do that, must do this)
@@radicalpasta7040 Brother you typed a novel to say a whole lot of nothing. Get to the point. Sure we should make a more precise name for “anti military complex” beliefs look at my other comment.
Antidisestablishmentarianism FTW!
Sitting here in my yellow shirt, drinking my morning coffee, and watching this I found your call out amusing
There is no such a thing as "the left" and "the right". Germany has 3 left and 2 (or 3) right-leaning parties. There are many ideas on both sides. And sometimes lables don't mean anything. Ludwig Erhard was a German Christian Democrat but I'm sure his "Social Market Economy" would be called Socialist by many in the U.S..
That's because Americans generally don't understand that most democracies have three major ideologies. American liberalism has mostly been split in two, with the economic aspects of liberalism having been (mostly) adopted by the Republicans and the social aspects (mostly) adopted by the Democrats. Without a two dimensional chart you really can't describe someone's positions, since everyone is a little liberal, a little socialist and a little conservative. It really is just about how much you stand with each. With one dimension you could say "ideal government size" and suddenly socialists and conservatives are on the same side opposite liberals. If the axis is about tax rates the results change, etc.
@@Svartasvanen18 I think there are more. I think in Europe there are 6 big ideologies. Democratic socialism, social democracy, liberalism, christian democracy and nationalism/patriotism. In Germany a party of every one of these ideologies is in parliament. In the EU parliament all of them (exept the nationalists) have a united faction.
Preach it.
RealTalkChannel - RTC I kind of wished Nobody would run under labels, obviously everybody would fit into a specific category but I do want people to vote based on the policies. Some people just go left or right which honestly I agree with if you are against left-wing policies why would you ever vote for them and if you are against the right wing policy is why ever vote for them? But some people may benefit from it, not saying that this is the conservative or the leftist. All I can say is abortion is evil.
The problem isn't that European politics are that "mixed", it's just that American politics are ridiculously bipolar and counterproductive
I appreciate the effort in the editing you had my attention the whole time, lots to learn from just the way to put the videos together
Holy crap, when I typed my political related inquiry into Google I had no idea they would give me Mr. Beats my favorite history teacher. Yes, I will watch your video of course
Mr. Beat's aesthetic is pretty fluid but I'm digging his crazy beatnik vibes here.
This is the only unbiased political spectrum video I've ever seen on TH-cam. Thanks Mr.Beat! Great Video!
i was a phyics major axes is pronounced like “axees”
Olivia Edwards I can tell you weren’t an English major
i mean thats fair, i wasnt.
Olivia Edwards axeeeees
Noir hey dont judge long axes he’s literally just vibing
Olivia Edwards Olivia you are a strange character
6:11 Shoutout to the person that got Mr. Beat a better political spectrum
8:47 really like the category layout. :p
As a leftist, I hate when people call Liberals "leftists". They are not the same-yet people use them interchangeably.
so real
You leftist’s are worse
I’m not left or right, just someone who listens to both sides of the spectrum.
@@jackbrown4130 so you are okay with the status quo of the liberal polity? That just makes you a liberal
As a liberal, I hate when people call leftists "liberals". They are not the same-yet people use them interchangeably.
The Left-Right dichotomy is suboptimal, but somehow we can't seem to get rid of it.... Any alternatives are just too confusing as pointed out. Excellent explanations and I had no idea it stems back to the French Revolution. Great to see Barris here!
Happy to be here!
Well thank you, and I agree that all the alternatives do seem infeasible due to their complexity.
Very true
@@iammrbeat You might need more than two political parties if people in the US are to accept the idea this is more complex than 'them vs. us'.
Didn't it originate with a bible verse?
Thanks mr beat
I like to think many people have the same political alignment as a pilot flying his plane. There will be instances where you shift to one side more than the other but usually you keep it in a stable position.
Mr. Beat, now Mr. Beard
For now, at least. :D
mostly Mr Unshaven.
I really like that you included sources & further reading. 👍
Thanks for the video. Also how did you guess what colour i was wearing lol
Great youtuber name and videos btw
"you, with the yellow shirt!" - and me, wearing a yellow shirt, sitting there, completely freaked out.
I can imagine he is just like: hey you with the yellow shirt. Then he says your name and where you are located
haha same
How did we guess?! Or maybe that was just lucky 🍀
Imaging if you were high
Yellow is the colour of the Vatican...
So basically both sides are two opposite cults fighting one another. Yeah iv been saying that. All the while our country decays and the real issues ignored.
Yes. The class issues.
@@Liriq yeup
Hello horseshoe Theory
@Careful Icarus bullshit
@Careful Icarus no way
Me & Mr. Beat: “Not every person’s ideas fit perfectly on one side of the spectrum or the other.”
Everyone else: “Which side are you on?”
Great explanation ever
Yes, get rid of the labels. I think they just create divisiveness, especially when, as you point out, people are in actuality more in the middle somewhere and fluid in their positions.
By the way, are you color blind? My shirt is green, not yellow.
Yes I’m pretty sure if everyone would think for themselves we would all agree that we just want the government to stay the fuck out of our lives
@@izparry2646 I disagree, I think we need the government to do certain things for society to function. The real question is what should governments do, and how do you structure that. I personally think the government should do a lot of things they don’t now, I would also like the government to stop doing certain things it does currently. There’s a complex series of factors that determines what will work out and what won’t and it always changes, we need our government to be more responsive to the material conditions here at home. I would like our country be ran by the people in their best interests, if we can give regular people more power in the system, things would improve.
I figured out the problem with this country. Well, okay, so Thomas Sowell's explanation of the lack of common decency is a part of it, but...
There's another facet. We have a woefully inadequate education system that leaves a void in people's minds. That void is filled by social media and MSM, who are controlled by trillions of dollars of "special interests".
That is where all this divide and conquer comes from. It starts in childhood. Inadequate schooling = brainwashed population. We need to rebuild education from scratch; make it more comprehensive and emphasize individuality and critical thinking. We're not going to beat the CCP in the hivemind department. They have 1.4 billion people. We have 340 million.
Finally someone who talks sense. Subscribed and saved this video
Welcome to my channel and thanks for subscribing. :D
What I "love" is that a lot of what makes Democrat and Republican policy wise, (bigger/smaller government, less/more military, higher/lower taxes, social/individual, flexible/non-flexible constitution, etc. respectively) are far from the minds of modern Democrat and Republican and now you're labeled one side mostly depending on your social political view instead everything together. (Economics, foreign policy, military decisions, AND social political views, etc.)
Also, it doesn't matter what side, pretty much every representative in politics sucks and are only looking out for their own self interests.
This was VERY helpful for me, I know nothing about politics and this taught me a lot.
That is the left wing break down of what Trump and his voters stand for. It's not the truth. I bet you see that now, 4 years later. I mean, Democrats have arrested over 3000 Republican voters, plus Trump himself, his lawyers, his staff, MAGA leaning Media members, Alternate electors, the republican mayor of NYC, Trump administration members, Trumps friends, Alternate electors lawyers, anti-abortion protesters, and and lots and lots of Jan 6er protesters. Democrats are 1940's Germany, they will do what they did.
I like the 8 axes test mostly because it is still reasonably small (I've seen one with almost 100) and from it, you can guess someone's position pretty accurately on most topics.
I think those are the two defining features of a good theory, succinct and predictive.
If there's a hundred, then there's not much guessing going on.
Yeah of the ones I know I think that one is the most accurate, although everyone of them has some flaws.
@@KarlSnarks There's a better one: Left/Right Social/Economic/Political.
Left: Collectivist, Central Planning, Statist
Right: Individualist, Free Market, Anarchist/Minarchist
Notice how the 3 pillars of each side build upon each other and are historically accurate. For example: Mussolini, Stalin, Mao and Hitler were all socialists and the model reflects that, as they were all squarely on the Left. (the whole "nazis/fascists are far right" is a fabrication of leftist media halfway trough the 30s to wash their hands of the whole affair in europe and paraphrase Mussolini by saying "that wasn't real socialism").
Leftists today are the exact same as they were a century ago.
@@ismaelsantos5378 Completely incorrect, fascism was mostly supported by the middle and upper-class, as they where the first to get rid of socialists and communists and cracked down on unions. Its economics can at times be more centralized or market based but always depends on what benefits power. Hitler privatized large parts of nationalized sectors, and Pinochet was a huge supporter of the same type of capitalism as Reagan. Fascists did and do often use vaguely leftist rethoric but without class analysis, because it sells well, especially back in 1930's Europe.
Anarchism has always been a far-left ideology as it fights against all hierarchy including both the state and capitalism. They either support non-capitalist markets (markets without private property and owner-worker relationships) or a form of decentralized direct-democratic communism and accept pluralism in those ideas as well. Look at Makhnovchina, Revolutionary Catalonia and Aragon, or the ideas of Kropotkin, Proudhon, or Mallatesta. Anarchism developed in worker movement ffs. And there are also other forms of libertarian socialism, like Neo-Zapatismo practiced by the Zapatistas, or Democratic Confederalism in Rojava.
Since the mid-20th century there are people who call themselves "anarcho-capitalists", but the only thing they have in common with anarchist is being against the state (in theory), and their ideas don't come from anarchist philosophy but classic liberalism and right-libertarianism.
@@KarlSnarks Several points to make here.
1- Pinochet was not a fascist. He was authoritarian, but he was no socialist.
2- Mussolini and his supporters were hardlines socialists who did not want to be asociated with other socialists because they saw them as "not real socialists".
3- The "middle and upper class" supporting fascism/socialism is nothing strange, as it is narcisistic half-baked "intellectuals" the ones most likely to support socialist ideals. Look at the Left today or Mao's red guards, who were mostly students of middle and upper class.
4- Socialists cracking down on unions or other socialists is also a feature, as the cult is sustained trough pure orthodoxy and thus any dissent, no matter how small, is to be purged.
5- Fascists, like all socialists, do inject class struggle in their rethoric, but they put more emphasis on nationalism. They are, after all, nationalistic socialists rather than internationalists like the communists are. This is not to be confused with the more ethnic-centric National Socialism, of which Mussolini was not very fond of but tolerated it because it was convenient to keep the alliance with Hitler.
6- Anarchism is not something the Left supports. They only use the label, as with everything else, to cover up their true nature. A modern example is Antifa, which paints itself as "anarchists" but they are actually hardline fascists just like the Blackshirts and the Brownshirts were (in fact Antifa was the communist equivalent to those militant groups).
The Left only identifies as "anarchist" when they do not have full control of the state, once they have a majority you start seeing the overbearing teachings of Gentile, Mussolini and the likes become very obvious. The Twitter fiasco that has been revealed is a good example: Leftists using corporate and state power to supress dissent and deceive the population.
7- You cannot have a Market without Private property, as Trade is the exchange of private property between mutually consenting parties. Perhaps you should learn what words mean before talking out of your ass.
8- In marxian doctrine "Democracy" is impossible outside of Communism, so whenever Leftists say "democratic socialism" what they really mean is "Communism". I spent years going trough the unbearable slog of reading the works of the Spawn of Hegel and word games do not fool me, nor will I allow lies to be kept up.
9- "Libertarian Socialism" is an oxymoron, much like "Market without private property". Libertarianism is about individual freedom while Socialism is collectivist slavery. Polar opposites.
10- Anarchism has always been a feature of the Right. But in practice Rightwingers go for Minarchism, a less idealized and more pragmatic manifestation of the anarchist ideal.
Anarchy means No State.
Socialism cannot be anarchist as it is Statist by design, going all the way back to Hegel when he posed that The State is the manifestation of the Divine. Communism is merely Hegel trough the lens of Marx, while Fascism is Hegel trough the lens of Mussolini&Gentile.
Perhaps you should stop repeating doctrine and using lingüistic sleights of hand and have an honest conversation for a change. I know it's hard (or impossible, for the most ardent defenders of that blight called Socialism) but it's time to lift the veil of deception and see reality for what it is.
Speaking of seeing reality for what it is. A little test:
Define the word "Woman" without using any variation of "a woman is someone who identifies as a woman" or "a woman is someone who isn't a man". (that is, provide a definition that isn't based on social constructivist nonsense nor is a circular definition).
Leftist Cultists are unable to give a proper definition and go trough mental gymnastics and more lingüistic games and sleights of hand when asked. Let's see what are you.
"axies" dude. That's how you say axes.
AX EEE AYS
Unless you're talking about the plural of "axe" as in the choppy choppy tree cutter things, in which case it's "axes" pronounced exactly how it is written
Who cares
I visited the Political Compass website. The questions seemed pretty standard, but my answers surprised myself as I thought about each question.
conservatives want feudalism... as do apes.
Frankly I'd say Trump is in a class of his own, not a traditional conservative
"Left" and "right" are effectively pointless. It's not worth anything
This feels like a video that would have been wheeled on one of those tv/vcr stands in to my 7th grade civil studies class.
The best thing to do is vote one way in the lower house and the other way in the upper house, then the government won't get anything done, which is the best outcome. That's why we have two houses, right?
Can you recommend some books to understand the ideologies of both wings deeper for a person who is not into politics?
Remember that left and right-wing are both parts of the same bird.
Yes, a flightless one for the unilateralist...I like to think of headless chicken...
Ben Shapiro after destroying the left wing of the plane:
There are others problems that I don't see in the video
1.Volatility of the meaning:if you ask Europeans where is liberalism on the chart they will say on the right but if you ask Americans they will say on the left
2.You ca be a left winger in Saudi Arabia and a die hard right winger in USA at the same tine
Good points to bring up!
Can you explain how the Saudi Arabia thing works?
@@kalanaherath3076 Something that's pogressive in Saudi Arabia like women rights to vote it's not pogressive at all in US whereas something pogressive in US can be hard to understand for a ''pogressive'' Saudi mindset.That's why someone can identifies as pogressive in Saudi Arabia can also identify as conservative in US.
@@gheorghitaalsunculitei9146 Ah, so you mean in Saudi Arabia, the oberton window is so much to the Right, that a leftie there would qualify as a Right winger in the US
Kalana Herath it’s not so much that the window is moved, as just the entire compass is
One thing that always confused me with right & left (conservative & liberal) is if they change with time. Like if a once liberal idea becomes the norm is it now conservative.
I first used Political Compass, it’s good enough, but I really like isidewith and 10groups
isidewith has more current event questions and results in a percentage for candidates, parties, and other groups
10groups has more theoretical questions and gives about 20 spectrums of different dichotomies
oh no I'm wearing a yellow shirt
I know. I see you. :)
Finally a channel who educates, not takes sides.
I do not see much difference between a solviet socialist that killed millions and a national socialist that killed millions. How are they opposites when they were both socialist dictators? Maybe we should consider those who want freedom from gov't control ( rightwing) and those who want the gov't to control every part off the country (leftwing).
Yes, the plural of "axis" is "axes"-pronounced with a long e. Like the plural of "crisis" is "crises," or the plural of "thesis" is "theses."
FYI, axes in this context is pronounced with two syllables, the first sounding like the word "axe" and the second sounding like the word "ease".
Thank you this is so true. Time to learn from each other regardless of sides.
I’m digging the beard!! Great video! Much love from Canada🇨🇦
Well glad you like both the beard and video! :D
i took the political compass test....i was in the exact bullseye center...and i like it :)
9:00 how did you know the color of my shirt 💀
Mr Beat! I've been a big fan and subscriber for about 3 years now. Production quality is booming. I'm so glad to see you're putting so much effort into the channel! Just a side note, my favorite videos have been comparatives, especially the Rwanda Burundi one. I'd love to see more country comparisons. Thanks for all the videos!
Thanks Sam! I have my next comparison video coming in a couple weeks! :D
@@iammrbeat 🎉🎉
Good video, Sir. I call myself an Independent and I'm registered as an Independent to vote. I was raised as a conservative and was a registered Republican for most of my life. I'm 61, now. I read a lot and learned that I was trapped in a political bubble and decided to register as an Independent about 5 years ago. I've forced myself to look at things from the other guys point of view and started seeing my views on things change. I'm educating myself on a broader political and social spectrum. Watching your video and another TH-camr's political educational video from K.B. has helped (IS helping) me grow. I shock myself nowadays because I see myself becoming more Socialist. Yeah, Socialist! With my upbringing, I never thought that this would happen, NEVER! I still have some conservative views, though. I don't like the term "Centrist" because, as you sort of said here, most of us are all over the the place on the spectrum. As I continue to learn about other topics contained in this subject, my views changes, some. Some of my views have changed widely. My long-time conservative friends say that I'm a radical Liberal now. I just laugh and reply that I'm an 'independent thinker' and I refuse to allow myself to be trapped in any political bubble. Thank you, Mr. Beat, for posting this good video on the subject. Side note: I really like what you're done on the solar front. All the best to you and Mrs. Beat!
I don't know what "solar front" means, but thank you! And props for being an independent thinker not willing to be pigeonholed.
Well, if you see yourself becoming socialist, I recommend you check out Contrapoints or PhilisophyTube.
2 very smart left-wing anti-capitalist channels that really seem friendly!
@@frocco7125 Contra is more of a social democrat than socialist.
I think Centrism means that one pulls their views from both sides of the spectrum but don't quote me on that
Rocco Anders uhhh they are most definetly not "very smart" maybe not the worst breadtube has to offer, but to me they often come across as slightly more verbose twitter-tier "culture critics"
TLP does their whole anti-capitalist thing much better than them imo
5:50 you perfectly described my political beliefs right there
I don’t refer to political parties anymore. I use conservative/ultra conservative vs liberal/radicalized liberal. I took a political Compass test online which had an “X” axis of Left to Right and a “Y” axis of Authoritarian (top) to Libertarian (bottom). They had a series of about 15 questions and I wanted additional answers listed for each or write ins but no can do. I scored Economic Left/Right: -0.63 and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.21. Almost dead center but I do believe how the questions used were worded had a lot to do with the outcome. But, this is the case with any poll you participate in - a lot really does depend on the wording. So I will often stop after one question and based on how it is written I will continue or stop. If I continue I still reserve the right to stop at any time the wording becomes less ingenious or leading you towards a response. Hey, polls are voluntary so they are on my time.
But, to answer your question, a bird cannot fly if they suddenly lose a wing. Ask any bird hunter and they will tell you all about it. I self identify as a semi ultra conservative. Not far right but moderately right.
you really are a good teacher. You explain things that I've been trying to understand. It's very appreciated.
8:57 I actually *was* wearing a yellow shirt, and I was kind of startled lmao.
Same
"Axes" as in the plural of Axis is pronounced "Axe-ease" with emphasis on "ease"
The yellow shirt part hit right home
I was watching this vid half naked, and you are telling me you with a yellow shirt and I was like damn. Howd you know that I'm asian?
LOL!! Tried to just scroll by. But this is too funny. Good one.