KIA XCeed PHEV - How Long Before It Breaks Even? (ENG) - Test Drive and Review
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มิ.ย. 2024
- KIA XCeed PHEV is another powertrain variant of the popular compact crossover. The KIA XCeed debuted in 2019. At first it was available with a 1 litre 120 hp petrol turbo, 1.4 140 hp petrol turbo, and 1.6 204 hp petrol turbo engine, as well as with a 1.6 136 hp diesel. All are FWD. At launch KIA also announced a PHEV would come later, also FWD. And here it is. You can charge the KIA XCeed from an electric socket, drive several dozen kilometers in zero emissions mode, and then the car will switch to classic hybrid mode, like for example a Prius.
Starting price: 36 000 euro
As tested: 43 000 euro
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Świetna recenzja jak zwykle, podobają mi się też różne ujęcia, no i fajnie, że pogoda dopisuję. Ostatnio uświadomiłem sobię, że są ogromne różnice miedzy krajami że względu na dopłaty. Myślę, że warto byłoby pokazać w nagraniu taką tabelkę cenową. Tutaj w Irlandii, wersja PHEV kosztuje tylko 2.5k EUR więcej, a w Norwegii Ioniq elektryczny jest tańszy od PHEV. Tak jeszcze z 5 lat i pewnie ceny się wyrównają. Świetny materiał, życzę dalszych sukcesów!
You have done great review
Nice review. Just one thing.the twin clutch Gear box has 6 speed not 7
Nice review. I'm changing from a 2015 Prius Plug-in to a Ceed SW PHEV. I searched for SW reviews, but most not in English. I got a -6k discount for top executive trim, closing at 34k. Lower in road taxes, and expensive petrol in the Netherlands, I think I made a good decision. 3 month wait is the only downside. Very excited.
Congrats! Let me know when it arrives and you get to live with it for a while. I'm interested to hear how it performs long-term.
You just obviously like to be a slave.
That was good one :)
160 km/h speedo reminds old Lada car. In Lithuania only incentives for PHEVs are use of bus lanes and maybe free parking in some zones. Also PHEVs and electric vehicles get different license plates instead of XXX:000 they get EV0000.
The digital instrument cluster looks a lot like BMW's from a couple years ago for example the G30 when it just came out. Especially in eco pro mode, then it really looks like the XCeed hybrid one. I find quite nice and a mandatory option if it isnt already standard.
Depends on the market. In Poland it's an option on lower trim, standard on top trim. In Germany I think all PHEVs get the digital instrument cluster.
Congrats our equivalent here would likely be Elantra GT or Kia Forte5
Nice review Mark! where are you from - which country ?
Thanks. Poland.
Have a 1.0 stonic First edition and have been looking to save fuel costs. Originally wrote off the phevs as i thought the ev range is rubbish but after careful consideration it might be better than a regular hev. I did test drive a hev niro and liked it but again mpg would suffer. Very expensive in UK though as prices new are around 30k gbp
I think that someone should buy a pure hybrid a decade from now when technology will be improved and e-cars will be more practical and cheaper to buy and also the charging stations will be spread across every country.
Great review this variant does not seem to make financial sense and so much heavier! 1.4 petrol turbo for me.
Good choice!
In Sweden the road tax is quite high nowadays for new petrol or diesel vehicles. The EV or PHEV vehicles are much cheaper. However, they are much more expensive to buy. I'm interested in the XCeed PHEV... I think.
Good voice 😁
Wow, really good english Marek, I am impressed :)
But...
By my calculation if the PHEV Business Line costs 140k PLN and 1.4 T-GDI with similar specs costs like 120k PLN after 3-4 years including gas cost it will be cheaper to buy PHEV in general. I assumed that I will drive around 80km each day, so in my case PHEV is more attractive.
Zużywasz 20 000 zl na paliwo przez cztery lata ok. Wszyscy w domu.
@@adrianxxxx36 A myślisz, że ile? 20tys w ciągu 4 lat to jest minimum.
80km dziennie przez 22 dni w miesiącu (a zwykle jeżdżę więcej i również w trasy, więc weź to pod uwagę),
1760km miesięcznie x4 lata (48 miesięcy) = 84 480km
5zł za litr
Spalanie około 7 litrów na 100km
7x5 = 35zł / 100km
1km = 0,35zł
0,35 x 84480 = 29 568zł
Czyli wychodzi nawet lepiej, niż zwykła spalinówka, dlatego też warto zainteresować się hybrydami, bo te wydatki na paliwo można bardzo mocno zmniejszyć jeżdżąc na samym prądzie.
@@n8n8n8n wlasnie udowodniłeś ze nie jesli stac cie na auto nie kupisz tego elektrycznego cacka bo po 4 latach równasz tylko cene zakupu a autem jeździsz juz 4 lata wiec oferta dla nawiedzonych.
@@adrianxxxx36 A kto KUPUJE auto na 4 lata? Nie miałem na myśli leasingu na 2-4 lata, ani wynajmu długoterminowego, tylko ZAKUP.
Poza tym po 4 latach auto elektryczne wychodzi o 10k taniej, niż zwykłe, przejrzyj obliczenia jeszcze raz. Ceny by się zrównały, gdyby po 4 latach było 20tys różnicy w paliwie, a różnica wynosi 30tys, do tego przeglądy, ewentualne naprawy itd.
still thinking the ford kuga phev is the better option atm in terms of plug in hybrid
By the way, Marek: What are you going to do, when you have reached the 200k subscribers?
(...what will be probably next week or so...)
Maybe a special "best of" video? Like a bloop reel?
There are no bloopers.
@@MarekDrives Of course! How could I think of?! ;-)
Really enjoyed this one, very interesting car. Just wish they would do a fully electric version of it. Great to see physical buttons below the touchscreen, and physical knobs for aircon. Just wish the dash was a little nicer.
I rented a Model 3 and will tell you that apart from the fact that I can't afford it, the lack of knobs and physical controls for things like wipers and lights was really annoying. Maybe I'm old school, or maybe it'll just drive you from A to B in a couple of years and you won't have to worry about any of those things.
The one Incentives everyone gets is the eco friendly consumption and low pollution. Everyone should consider the total life of the cars! Also, if you are driving only 30-50 km a day ( like most of the people do ) I'm sure you can even the price difference quickly . Plus I hope these kind of PHEV will be able to teach people the benefits of electricity 😊
Let's be realistic. Most people vote with their wallets, and if you could get a tax exemption for burning bunny rabbits they would do just that :)
@@MarekDrives That is so true! 😂 But my hope is that people will slowly start to care about our own planet, because so far is the only one we have! 😊 PS. Ok! Elon Musk can help change this only one planet problem 🥰
for my mileage it would take 9 years just to pay the difference in price (without eco incentive)
Great video btw 😉
Yeah it still makes no economic sense, but EVs are so cool to drive!
In Sweden you save about 450 eur in yearly taxes buying the PHEV vs. petrol version. The PHEV also comes with an environmental tax discount of ~3.600 eur when buying the car.
Lucky you. We're about to get up to 4k euro grant on EVs that cost no more than 28k euro. Which leaves very few cars in lowest trim possible.
Funny enough because of the new gigantic taxes on gas and diesel cars here in Sweden + the discount for hybrid cars. The the hybrid actually turns out cheaper per month no matter what way i look at it.
Your government just want to tax the shit out of you.
This is against the law to tax your property. This is a war and you idiot you should fight for your freedom.
I’ve got a 2015 Sonata and the engine blew up at 42,000 miles despite changing the oil every 3,000 to 5,000 miles.
@@adrianxxxx36 Who’s law? An universal law? Idiot.
This car is the best looking compact size car Kia makes. It is a shame they don't make a full EV version of this, in stead of the Niro and Soul. I am sure of they would have a true winner in their hands.
Because Kia/Hyundai fully electric efficiency is today the only real competitor to Tesla.
They just need to offer it in a more handsome car then they do today. No least in consideration of the price point.
Her in Iceland a model 3 is cheaper then a 64km Niro or Soul. And when so. No one is buying those cars. But a full EV version of the Xceed could become a player against the model 3, if they could offer it with the 64kw battery.
Marek, I have the Niro hybrid. The hybrid is recharging based on driving style. My car rarely runs less than 40% electric and then various percentages up to 100% depending on weather and driving style. The PHEV simply adds higher battery capacity, so you are describing Toyota hybrid systems, not Kia when you say that once the plug-in charge has expired, it runs on petrol only. Batteries are more efficient in warmer drier weather - approx 10mpg difference on cold damp weather. My hybrid is even re-charging the battery when its running 100% EV thanks to various older Formula 1 specs
I never said it runs on petrol only. I said it goes into classic hybrid mode, like a Prius.
@@MarekDrives Hi Marek, Ok sorry, I heard it wrong, although the Prius and Kia systems are quite different on hybrid. The Niro hybrid has a the green tree to represent the eco drive style, does the Xceed not have this too ?
I'm not sure what's it like with analogue instruments, but on the digital display there is only a small EV icon that disappears, when the car goes into hybrid mode.
Vehicle looks good. In Belgium we dont pay taxes on Hybrid vehicles, which can be quite expensive depending on the vehicle. For example for a new BMW G20 330i you would normally pay 2500 +/- euro first tax and then 450 euro every year. So buying a 330e you save almost 3000 directly. Other than that no benefits, except you can enter areas in big city like Antwerp and Brussels in the emission free zones.
At least you get that. In Poland PHEVs and HEVs don't get any privileges. I think they recently lowered the excise on larger displacement engines, so Lexus hybrids are now cheaper :)
Only EVs get bus lane access, which it turns out means very little. Today I had to drive across town to return the ZOE. There were only two bus lanes on my way, and there was no traffic in the area to take advantage of them anyway. I arrived 5 minutes before Anna, who was stuck in traffic on the ring road in a PHEV.
@@MarekDrives well, sounds a little sad for you. However I don't think what they are doing in Belgium is enough. I think they should stimulate people more so they can afford hybrid/electric vehicle, seemslike they are not enough concerned about that emission thing... If I was really worried about air pollution I would give huge discounts on buying small motorcycles and electrified vehicles and bicycles, unfortunately I'm not a minister and not a magician...Can we assume new 'zoe' review incoming ?
What if you never charge your PHEV? You end up with a heavier car that only runs fuel, more fuel than a regular ICE one! And the state is sponsoring that? That's crazy 😄 You can't force people to charge their PHEVs and as I understand, many (if not most) don't.
Very good review. Thank you. Dont want to buy hybrid :)
Good review
shame the engine wont charge the battery but only maintain the same battery level, so whats the point ?
Is this the way all hybrids are going to go ? I dont want it.
Still achieves lots economy though! But it doesn't deserve the money. Id go for the diesel!
@@xeniosaias that was impressive. I give it that.
but would it have been even more economical if just city based ?
possibly but then the owner would just be plugging it in to charge every time. so whats the point of an engine ?
I just feel the car is trying to be two things and almost achieving none
People who own PHEVs because they were scared of going all in often regret not going all in with an EV. They realise after a year or 2 that they almost never drive more than 60-80km a day and with their PHEV, they only drag a useless engine/generator along.
XCeed any powertrain not available in Ukraine.
Preferences for electric or hybrid? Ohhh common......
Did you try to recharge driving at 90km/h in Sport Mode? Ioniq's recharge driving like this, owners told me.
It barely recharges, and is very inefficient.
What do you mean 100km a day for 3 year? 35.600km/year?
For me CX-30 looks much better and is a better car, in my opinion. Plus CX-30 doesn't have fake exhausts. Great review!!!
Car Mojo even If I’m not a fan of Kia Xceed I can see why one would be
Why do we never get the names of lower spec to higher models un reviews??
?
Could have been four wheel drive.
It has regenerative breaking, why do you say it doesn't? Yours is the only review that says it doesn't.
I didn't say it doesn't have it. I said:
"In the Xceed PHEV it’s hard to find any hybrid mode data, there’s no recuperation level adjustment (or any noticeable recuperation for that matter)".
Is this the infra red color?
Yes.
Great review as always, but one thing I miss from most PHEV car reviews: At what outside temperature does the car force the combustion engine to start, in order to heat the cabin/engine etc.
I find that to be highly relevant information, living in a colder climate that could greatly affect the economy of buying a PHEV versus a fully electric car.
Side note: I did test drive the Optima PHEV, and found the hybrid system to be silky smooth but way less thought out than the likes of the Chevy Volt.
I was recording on a chilly morning (say 5 degrees Celcius at 4:30 AM, when I set off from home), and the engine did start. I guess that depends on the way the car is designed/programmed, and whether it was preconditioned, etc. So no one right answer.
@@MarekDrives coldgate is common for cheaper electric/hybrid
@@MarekDrives car cant be preconditioned i think you said in the vid? Anyhow I've asked Volvo, Mitsubishi, Chevy, Kia and VW this question through official channels. Mitsubishi said -10, Chevy has selectable -0 or -10, and all the rest gave me smoke and mirrors answers that gave no solid information into a car buying decission making process.
This could really depend on many factors including when was the last oil change etc.
@@MarekDrives I won't disagree with you on that, but as this in particular is often left out of the car spesifications and figures, I would say a more pro-consumer approach would be to indicate a best-case and worst-case temperature range for the petrol engine to kick in at. To give you an example, if I had a first gen PHEV Outlander I would burn petrol every day commuting to work in the winter. With my current PHEV that only happens 10-20 days a year as it allows for -10 deg C before the petrol engine is forced to start regardless of charge level.
I am pro PHEV, but also live in Norway where this metric in particular has a great impact on the overall economical feasability of the different drivetrains.
Spedometer with 160 is in miles for american market.
I just ordered kia xceed lx plugin hybrid.
In Malta cost €34,000 and the government is giving a Grant of €12,000 to buy a new electric or plug In hybrid. So will cost me €22,000.
Plus free car license
And registration. Installation of electrical meter at home or garage to charge the car with reduce rates 0.13c per unit and free charge points on the road. It's worth it
Wow! That's totally makes it worth it!
It's bad we don't have a phev proceed shooting brake
I think that would be a niche within a niche. There's the normal station wagon though.
If it's about economics, buy a Dacia 10K Euro. Plug in Hybrids cars with 50 km batteries will fit drivers who mostly drives short distances and once and a while longer distances and still can use the battery when in cities. Calculate yourself, for your own needs.
No at all. Assuming you have to drive medium
/long distance, you should start with battery full recharged. In this way you easily reach 30km/liter. You should avoid to consume all the battery driving full electric for 50km.
@@danielpic2189 I said mostly drives short distances. Perhaps better go full electric if you drive a lot of medium long distances. A fully electric car perhaps costs 2-10K Euro extra compared with a PHEV. So how long distance do you need to break even You must give a more specific calculation. Found this calculation sheet but haven't tried it myself. Electric car manufacture, for good reasons, aren't very keen on providing comparing tools. Because The Dacia will in all cases come out cheaper. fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do
Europe/Asia only?
Probably. But we don't get the Seltos.
Xceed or captur ?
Clio or Ceed? Different segments.
This Phev vehicles are too heavy and too expensive. It is a shame that they do not make a normal hybrid model given the petrol consumption on petrol xceed models
Kia XCeed does not Xist in the Canadian market. It does not look Xciting so I'm ok with it not Xisting here..... ;)
LOL :)
Don't like the fact that this car doesn't recharge batteries when braking or slowing down unlike other makes.
Wyświetlenia się nie zgadzają że po angielsku?
Hajs się nie zgadza.
Hi, I have a KIA CEED PHEV 2022. I'm very disappointed how the hybrid system works. If it low temperature outside (below 10 C) then the petrol engine always starts if the so if im driving under 10km it never runs purly on electricity.
Or if the AC is runing the petrol engien starts.
So the petrol enginen is always running when heating or cooling...
My advise, dont buy a KIA
12:14 Three years is not that much!
Yes, but unfortunately I made a mistake, and it would take 6 years.
@@MarekDrives Depends on your region I suppose. Here in Québec, we have around 98% hydro and we actually have so much electricity (because we built so many dams in the 70's) that they have to stop producing. They even give people 13k to buy an EV so that they can use some of that leftover current. Electricity is so cheap that people light up their houses like christmas trees all night long with spotlights and so on. And since gas is kinda expensive, although nowhere near EU prices, going EV is a no brainer.
Lucky you. Energy is still cheap in Poland, but we get no incentives to move towards cleaner cars. For most people buying a new(er) car is a step up from whatever beatnik they have imported from Western Europe, so the government "handing out" money for new (PH)EVs is seen as helping the rich get richer.
£30K in UK, not £36K
Euro, not GBP. 36k euro is about 33k GBP.
He is so negative about Hyundai/Kia...
Why?
Dla czego dajesz najpierw film w języku angielskim. Masz piękny akcent i mówisz bardzo dobrze, ale no polska dla polaków.
Aś ty głupi 😂😂
@@R4TEL Grunt to poczucie humoru i trochę dystansu :) Bo inaczej kler nas zniszczy razem z Berlinsko Angielskim Markiem drive
Pozdrawiam cie sportsmenko. A tak poważnie Środowiska narodowe na pewno poczuły się dotknięte bo wygląda to tak jakby fani kanału anglojęzyczni byli ważniejsi. A Marko wstydził się że jest Polakiem
Marcin ciemnia dla ciemniaków.