Regarding the Quantum Torpedo. I tend to think that number of munitions is not a problem. The UFP has an absolutely enormous industrial base with nearly unlimited resources. I think what limits the number of ship types with quantum torpedoes is the incompatibility with the actual torpedo with regular Federation torpedo launchers; they require a different type of launcher and late into the Dominion War only a handful of classes are purpose-built with those launchers. I say this because in every on-screen canon appearance of the quantum torpedo, they are limited to either ships that were purpose-built to carry them, or a new refit that was also purpose-built to handle them: The Sovereign Class, the Defiant Class and the newly highly refit USS Lakota. We know the QT was developed to fight the Borg, and so it follows that the ships also designed to fight the Borg were specifically designed to carry them. Moreover, the exception to this rule thus far is the Lakota which was sort of a one-off refit. Admiral Layton new he might have to face off against far more modern ships than the Lakota, so he had to ensure that the Refit gave the ship a huge offensive punch. Ergo, the refit was purposely designed around the ability of the ship to fire quantum torpedoes. Finally, the other mention of QTs used on a Federation ship is when Voyager encounters the Cardassian Dreadnaught Missile, which is equipped with Cardassia's best weapons, including their version of QTs. Chekotay specifically says he believes that they can modify the torpedo launchers to use the Cardassian QTs. So while we don't know anything about the Cardassian QTs, and they might be smaller than the Federation version, what is clear is that normal Starfleet torpedo launchers can't use them without at least heavy modification. During wartime it is reasonable to assume that there simply isn't time to refit every ship in the fleet to use QTs. So why don't we see QTs in Picard Season 3 with all the new Federation ship classes? It could be that the QT is husbanded to an extent or for only wartime use. We first see the QT used by the USS Defiant which was a ship on a permanent wartime footing, and then the Sovereign Class during the Dominion Cold War.
I think the producers have a problem with Federation (who routinely gets clobbered) using what is essentially a WMD in large numbers, so they say "there was an incident" and omit its appearance.
VOYAGER had Mk95 launchers the same as Sovereign class easily compatible with Starfleet Quantum torpedoe's but have to be modified for Cardissian different torpedo casings.
😨😳Blimey I got chills when the Nebula X flew bye.. or was it the window not sure lol.. Very nice ship and just needs better shields and quantums or other torpedos and wow, it would be a battle ship.. I do love the Nebula classes.. size and functions of them, hmm 1st battle ouch.. I thought you had it after hitting the plasma stream hmmm someone must have turned of the plasma in engineering .. lol.. 2nd battle THAT was quick.. wow.. very nice Captain.. loved this and the ships coming out are more and more amazing !!!! 😊🖖
They had many thousands of Quantum torpedoes in the Starfleet arsenal although in the early 2370 they were harder to manufacture when compared to Photon torpedoes.
Oh, Badger, you know well of my love of both the Nebula and the Vanguard! This is a fine day indeed! But, I agree with you that the shields need an upgrade, and it needs armor. It also needs quantum torpedoes to be a true killer, or, at the VERY least, carry the more advanced photons.
If I remember correctly, Starfleet started using a "strategic diversified weapons deployment" to ships due to the constant Borg threat. The idea was that they could still kill a cube near Earth if they didn't allow many of their weapons to be equipped onto ships that were slated for deep space assignments. That could explain why some ships didn't get quantums on them as Starfleet didn't want to risk them getting assimilated as for many years quantum torpedo spam was their primary anti-Borg weapon. Transphasic torpedoes also suffered the same limited deployment and for the same reasons but with an even tighter control of which ships actually got them. Of course, regardless the Borg adapted to everything including the transphasic torpedoes. Aside from the shields, this ship should have more than 200 photons if it has that gigantic weapons platform. IMO the number should be somewhere between 500 and 1,000.
Wow. Imagine a ship with that many torpedoes!! The Nebula class was so versatile. Thanks for your theory about the quantum’s. Helps with my head canon 🤪🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Regarding the number of torpedoes, there are other smaller ships without a dedicated weapons platform which hold 200x torpedoes. The Enterprise D which wasn't originally a warship design held 200x (250?) photons. Since that era, the design methodology seems to be to reduce the size of regular photons and increase the fire rate. Couple that with a dedicated weapons platform designed for torpedo spam and it only makes sense that the amount of photons increases drastically.
This is for sure an interesting weapons pod change. I agree that the shielding for this ship needs to be tweaked. You would think with two weapons pods that the ship would have quantum torpedoes. I said "oooo" when you blew up in the Nebula X lol. You sure mopped the Nebula X without breaking a sweat. That was pretty damn quick.
I’ve asked the author if it’s ok to tweak it. It will make a fine ship to the fleet with quantum’s and enhanced pulse phasers. The shields will get a big boost as well 🤪🖖
Best strategy is always to eliminate the biggest problem: either target their sensors or target their torpedo launchers and then you see how long the Vanguard can hold out. It's pretty obvious who's going to win in the quantums vs. photons battle.
There was a mod for Starfleet Command III. One of the ships was a modded Galaxy class X with a shortened neck and the sensor pod/weapons platform of the Nebula class in place of the third nacelle. That was a cool design!
Great battles! I really like the idea of a Nebula X. I’d like to see a version of this ship with better shielding, quantum torpedoes, and a pulse phaser cannon or maybe a lance phaser on the weapons pod 🖖🏻
As far as quantums go I agree that not every ship had them. Probably way more difficult to manufacture and more costly. Other than the Defiant and “E” who else really do we see fire them? If it was about special effects a simple color change wouldn’t be that big of a deal so it had to be story related. Making the hero ships pack more of a punch.
We need a nubula weapon pod with extra launchers. I though that’s what this one had as well as the pulse phasers? It looks split into two distinct halves.
I would love to see a nebula class with a huge quantum torpedo pod on top of it like the normal torpedo pod. Imagine a nebula class being able to launch so many forward and reverse quantum torpedos? That would be one hell of a sight and a good support ship.
Been obsessed with this particular, seeing it in 'StarTrekNextGeneration," which is better designed & slicker than the other classes. I saw that the HellRazar-Neblua class is engineered to bounce, Warp10. This Neblua-ClsssX is an impressive class Neblua! Put I-rate, like all of the Neblua classes. the #HellRazar-class, slightly better of the extra jump-power and the capability to warp to a perfect-#10!
Sweet! I’m tempted to add some quantum’s and modify the shields on this ship. I won’t release anything though without your say so. It’s just for a bit of fun in the videos 😃
@@RetroBadgerGaming you are welcome to tinker with it, I believe. My releases are to get the ships up n running on KM/RE, and I don't tinker with the models or textures, and HP tinkering only with getting them running on KM/RE
Regarding the Quantum Torpedo. I tend to think that number of munitions is not a problem. The UFP has an absolutely enormous industrial base with nearly unlimited resources. I think what limits the number of ship types with quantum torpedoes is the incompatibility with the actual torpedo with regular Federation torpedo launchers; they require a different type of launcher and late into the Dominion War only a handful of classes are purpose-built with those launchers. I say this because in every on-screen canon appearance of the quantum torpedo, they are limited to either ships that were purpose-built to carry them, or a new refit that was also purpose-built to handle them: The Sovereign Class, the Defiant Class and the newly highly refit USS Lakota. We know the QT was developed to fight the Borg, and so it follows that the ships also designed to fight the Borg were specifically designed to carry them. Moreover, the exception to this rule thus far is the Lakota which was sort of a one-off refit. Admiral Layton new he might have to face off against far more modern ships than the Lakota, so he had to ensure that the Refit gave the ship a huge offensive punch. Ergo, the refit was purposely designed around the ability of the ship to fire quantum torpedoes. Finally, the other mention of QTs used on a Federation ship is when Voyager encounters the Cardassian Dreadnaught Missile, which is equipped with Cardassia's best weapons, including their version of QTs. Chekotay specifically says he believes that they can modify the torpedo launchers to use the Cardassian QTs. So while we don't know anything about the Cardassian QTs, and they might be smaller than the Federation version, what is clear is that normal Starfleet torpedo launchers can't use them without at least heavy modification. During wartime it is reasonable to assume that there simply isn't time to refit every ship in the fleet to use QTs.
So why don't we see QTs in Picard Season 3 with all the new Federation ship classes? It could be that the QT is husbanded to an extent or for only wartime use. We first see the QT used by the USS Defiant which was a ship on a permanent wartime footing, and then the Sovereign Class during the Dominion Cold War.
I think the producers have a problem with Federation (who routinely gets clobbered) using what is essentially a WMD in large numbers, so they say "there was an incident" and omit its appearance.
Wow. Thanks for that very thorough explanation. I’ve pinned it to the top of the comments. In my opinion what you’ve said is canon!!
@@Euripides_Panz ship-scale photon torpedoes and phasers are WMDs by modern standards though
@@RetroBadgerGaming Thank you!
VOYAGER had Mk95 launchers the same as Sovereign class easily compatible with Starfleet Quantum torpedoe's but have to be modified for Cardissian different torpedo casings.
A Dominion War varient of the Nebula with quantums and heavy armor would be a sight to see.
The Nebula class Battlecruiser had Quantum torpedoe's.
😨😳Blimey I got chills when the Nebula X flew bye.. or was it the window not sure lol.. Very nice ship and just needs better shields and quantums or other torpedos and wow, it would be a battle ship.. I do love the Nebula classes.. size and functions of them, hmm 1st battle ouch.. I thought you had it after hitting the plasma stream hmmm someone must have turned of the plasma in engineering .. lol.. 2nd battle THAT was quick.. wow.. very nice Captain.. loved this and the ships coming out are more and more amazing !!!! 😊🖖
They had many thousands of Quantum torpedoes in the Starfleet arsenal although in the early 2370 they were harder to manufacture when compared to Photon torpedoes.
Oh, Badger, you know well of my love of both the Nebula and the Vanguard! This is a fine day indeed! But, I agree with you that the shields need an upgrade, and it needs armor. It also needs quantum torpedoes to be a true killer, or, at the VERY least, carry the more advanced photons.
If I remember correctly, Starfleet started using a "strategic diversified weapons deployment" to ships due to the constant Borg threat. The idea was that they could still kill a cube near Earth if they didn't allow many of their weapons to be equipped onto ships that were slated for deep space assignments. That could explain why some ships didn't get quantums on them as Starfleet didn't want to risk them getting assimilated as for many years quantum torpedo spam was their primary anti-Borg weapon. Transphasic torpedoes also suffered the same limited deployment and for the same reasons but with an even tighter control of which ships actually got them. Of course, regardless the Borg adapted to everything including the transphasic torpedoes.
Aside from the shields, this ship should have more than 200 photons if it has that gigantic weapons platform. IMO the number should be somewhere between 500 and 1,000.
Wow. Imagine a ship with that many torpedoes!! The Nebula class was so versatile. Thanks for your theory about the quantum’s. Helps with my head canon 🤪🖖
@@RetroBadgerGaming Regarding the number of torpedoes, there are other smaller ships without a dedicated weapons platform which hold 200x torpedoes. The Enterprise D which wasn't originally a warship design held 200x (250?) photons. Since that era, the design methodology seems to be to reduce the size of regular photons and increase the fire rate. Couple that with a dedicated weapons platform designed for torpedo spam and it only makes sense that the amount of photons increases drastically.
This is for sure an interesting weapons pod change. I agree that the shielding for this ship needs to be tweaked. You would think with two weapons pods that the ship would have quantum torpedoes.
I said "oooo" when you blew up in the Nebula X lol. You sure mopped the Nebula X without breaking a sweat. That was pretty damn quick.
I’ve asked the author if it’s ok to tweak it. It will make a fine ship to the fleet with quantum’s and enhanced pulse phasers. The shields will get a big boost as well 🤪🖖
Best strategy is always to eliminate the biggest problem: either target their sensors or target their torpedo launchers and then you see how long the Vanguard can hold out. It's pretty obvious who's going to win in the quantums vs. photons battle.
There was a mod for Starfleet Command III. One of the ships was a modded Galaxy class X with a shortened neck and the sensor pod/weapons platform of the Nebula class in place of the third nacelle. That was a cool design!
Nice showcase!
Other than adding a plugin, I did not update the KM version.
Would like to see your thoughts on the RE version!
Quantums might have been hard to manufacture early on, but given time Star Fleet would ramp up production and start churning them out as standard.
Great battles! I really like the idea of a Nebula X. I’d like to see a version of this ship with better shielding, quantum torpedoes, and a pulse phaser cannon or maybe a lance phaser on the weapons pod 🖖🏻
Its superstructure looks like Jar Jar Binks. I can't unsee this.
As far as quantums go I agree that not every ship had them. Probably way more difficult to manufacture and more costly. Other than the Defiant and “E” who else really do we see fire them? If it was about special effects a simple color change wouldn’t be that big of a deal so it had to be story related. Making the hero ships pack more of a punch.
Did the Lakota fire Quantums? Every other spec sheet I have seen for the Lakota had Quantums listed
We need a nubula weapon pod with extra launchers. I though that’s what this one had as well as the pulse phasers? It looks split into two distinct halves.
Give the weapons pod engines and shields and you would basically have a low-cost version of Multi-Vector Assault Mode.
I would love to see a nebula class with a huge quantum torpedo pod on top of it like the normal torpedo pod. Imagine a nebula class being able to launch so many forward and reverse quantum torpedos? That would be one hell of a sight and a good support ship.
I'd give real money if someone would create a Nebula with working point-phaser phasers, Gemini, shield disruption, and repair abilities in BC.
Now your talking! Didn’t it have a point defence laser in Star Trek Armada?
@@RetroBadgerGaming It does, indeed. Science station upgrades.
I would like to see a version of this Nebula with quantum torpedoes
I'd love to have a Nebula with Quantums in BC Remastered
multivector assault with the turrent thing on top become a companion combat ship
Like the Barrier Class? Not a bad thought...
Been obsessed with this particular, seeing it in 'StarTrekNextGeneration," which is better designed & slicker than the other classes. I saw that the HellRazar-Neblua class is engineered to bounce, Warp10. This Neblua-ClsssX is an impressive class Neblua! Put I-rate, like all of the Neblua classes. the #HellRazar-class, slightly better of the extra jump-power and the capability to warp to a perfect-#10!
I'd like to see some Niagara class against time era ships.
Always up to see some Niagara Class!
First Officer....Captain what R your orders
Captain........fire phasers at that plama stream
Now that's a nebula class starships
If only it had a cloaking device. Then any captain except Retro Badger could be even more effective.
😂😂😂
🤔Well Captain Retro Badger has gotten good with the cloaking mechanism.. I would say..!!! just saying!!! lol
Btw, pretty sure an actual Nebula X mod exists in BC, will need to dig on my part. 😅
Sweet! I’m tempted to add some quantum’s and modify the shields on this ship. I won’t release anything though without your say so. It’s just for a bit of fun in the videos 😃
@@RetroBadgerGaming you are welcome to tinker with it, I believe.
My releases are to get the ships up n running on KM/RE, and I don't tinker with the models or textures, and HP tinkering only with getting them running on KM/RE
Considering this is the Nebula X class it should have 3 nacelles and a big super phaser underneath like the Galaxy X class does.
I think you could had beat the vanguard if you had been able to put the healthier shields in the way of the quantums.
😍😍😍
Quantums were the difference maker in this one🖖
They should make a nebula x from hell...aka the Lois Griffin🤪🖖🖖🖖
Haha 😂 🖖
One thing, I never understood though. Plasma by nature is already ignited so how could it be ignited again?
It’s like a 7yr old is designing these ships.
Where I’m can download it?? I’m have a Nebula X but she’s is a sovereign lol, anyway I’m going to remove that
hard to manufacture with replicators? hmmm
Hear me out - Oberth Class X from hell
How do you get the game to run in 4K?
Me no like this vessel. 😢
The pod looks a bit naf IMO
Your tactics seemed a bit lazy I rekon you could destroy it if you did it again