Hyundai Shingled Solar Panels - 15% better than other solar panels? (S.P.A.T.-Test 🍺)
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- Today, we're testing the Hyundai Shingled Solar Panels HiE-S400UF. These utility-grade solar panels have a very high efficiency and claim to be very effective in low light conditions.
I've got a freshly calibrated S.P.A.T., so I'm keen to test these panels out before we mount 28 of them on the garage roof.
I'm doing the full rain, shade, shadow and sun test with the panels and compare them directly to two panels which I also have on my roof. Are the Hyundai Panels really that much better? We will find out with some comprehensive testing.
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The biggest advantages I see going with the Hyundai panels is mainly their size. You are going to get practically double the output for just a little more than half the space taken up on the roof by the other panels. As for current, you might have to reconfigure your current charge controllers, or get more, or even bigger ones. It will be exciting to watch this next project develop.
Bang-on, @Farside. It's about the density you can fit on your roof.
I have maxed out my roof with 3.6kWp at the moment. With the new panels, I can pack 4kWp in less space and still have the required safety area around the panels.
I will re-use the old panels for other installations we will do in the future. Nothing gets wasted!
@@Matt-re8bt am I the only one who sees that the Hyundai panels are bigger then the others? If they are 15 % bigger,
you don't save much space if they deliver 15% more energy.
@@edmundzed9870 but with the setup on the panel you can take advantage of shade. If you loose half of the panel it’s still putting out energy.
@@clarencewiles963 How is that important? Solar panels are an investment and it makes no sense to put them in the shade.
Efficiency on the other hand is very important, that and the price is what I am interested in more then anything else.
Oh, I can think of one more test you could start performing, to compare solar panels. I’d like to know how the different panels respond to various incident angles of the light. For example, we all know that panels perform best when they’re facing the light head on, but do some panels perform better at other angles? This could be particularly important for anyone using fixed mounts that can’t change angles. This is kind of analogous to viewing angles for LCD monitors.
OK, that's a great suggestion. You can already see the difference in the Victron VRM when looking at the Hyundai Shingled vs the Pool Fence solar. As the sun moves across during the day, they get different angles of light and have different power outputs.
vrm.victronenergy.com/installation/100328/share/d0ebad4e
Andy since the Mppt is always searching for the ideal voltage to get the max power it doesn't say a lot the numbers it delivers to know if they're in parallel, in series or something in between, to have a clear picture you should consider open circuit voltage and short-circuit current while shading different parts of the solar panel
Agree
That's why I turned off the charger in the controller, so it shows the Voc, the Vmp 😉
what wild happen if you was to cool the panel whit liquid nitrogen whit pipes to keep the panel ? would it increace power out put .
Hi Andy from less sunny Melbourne.
I have plugged in the specs to the Victron calculator Excel sheet and you will not be able to run 3 in series (on your 150/35).
But if you had the VG series, then you could, because they are slightly lower Voc, and higher Isc.
"Max pv voltage @ min temp." UF=158.5v VG=148.6v
These panels are close in dimensions to your existing, so I assume you'd still mount 3 per rail.
I'm perplexed as to the real-world difference between the UF and VG range - apart from a small gain in efficiency.
Given the Victron SCC range has a 150Voc, then the VG would be better.
Thanks for your great work.
Rob.
Thanks Rob, that's what I said in the video 😉 The VGs are not available any more... and I would not be able to have three in series either due to the roofspace.
Thank you Andy for being such a GREAT educator! You bring so much value to everyone around the world with your channel. I so look forward to your updates. Keep it up brother! 😊
Thanks a lot Dan 🙏
Interesting and informative test Andy, and once again you have demonstrated that there's nothing like real world testing to bring specs, marketing and science into reality. Thanks!
Thanks, Jack. Some of my viewers said they have the Hyundai panels and are pleased with their output. It will be very interesting to have them on the roof and compare the overall yield to the old panels.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Indeed, I'm looking forward to the result, and if for nothing else, it's good to have an alternative source country.
Considering all the sun, your need for power, and the scientific minds you have in Australia, it would be good to see Australia become a world player in the solar market.
Hi Andy, thanks for testing, the Hyundai is offcourse less aged, but nonetheless the way they produce during partly shading is very nice and useful. Thanks for sharing and enjoy your spats
Thanks Edward. Yeah, new vs old but therefore the Canadian Sharp have 10% more output (400W vs. 435W).
Know what the difference between UF and VG is ? Just lower variation / higher reliability ?
There is a comparison on their website (scroll halfway down): www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
Let's hear about your dog some day! Just a side-moment. It would be fun....
We have three... 🐕🐶🐕🦺
You need a big fan on youre tester 🤣
And a smoke detector 😂
Got a good laugh at you cursing the clouds!
Thanks for sharing. I have been wondering about shingled panels, especially since your last video looking at them.
The last one we tested were just the crappy attempt from a company to sell overpriced panels with no grunt and power output. These ones seem to perform as they should. And 25 years of warranty is a word!
Great testing - I like that you did it in various weather conditions. Nothing beats real-world results. Those Hyundai panels are impressive.
Thank you, yeah, wanted to know how they perform under different conditions. More testing coming.
Do you know the difference between the 400UF and the 400VG?
The UF is a bit shorter (1646mm) and classed as M3 and
The VG is a bit longer (1719mm)
and classed as M6.
Slight differences in voltages and current but what the main difference?
The main difference is the voltage. Two of the VG in series will just be enough to charge a 48V battery but with a bit of shading, they may stop charging. The UF with higher voltage will be much better for my setup.
You can see and compare both on the Hyundai Solar website about halfway down: www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
Hi Andy, nice video as always very interesting, probably it was already mentioned before, all the panes are parallel to each other, the difference you see in voltage / amps is actually the MPPT conversion (Good test for the victron very nice transformation) in order to measure the panels you have to either recover your tester or use a known value resistor and calculate the voltage across to estimate the power.
I think the two parallel MPPTS of the same model showed all the numbers to compare the panels. Unfortunately, I don't have a half-cut 400W panel to make it fair to compare.
Hey great stuff, thx a lot. One more general question: could u do a test placing solar panels facing the "opposit" side of the incoming solar radiation? This would be the case if one chooses to put solar panels on a roof which faces north (northern hemisphere) trying to catch especially the diffuse part of the solar radiation... i would be excited to see the results
Sure, can do. I'll do a comparison with different directions and angles.
@@OffGridGarageAustraliawow cool. thx a lot 😁
I like those Hyundai panels, I might buy a couple
I've got them on the roof for 6 months now and they are awesome. Very good in cloudy conditions.
A bit of trivia on the name Hyundai- They had a run of TV ads in the USA and Canada when they were introducing the automotive brand - the message of this campaign was “Hyundai rhymes with Sunday”.
Nice panels!
Impressive!!!
Thanks Joe. I need more solar...
They are more impressive than the voltx panels, they look attractive too.
Oh, yeah, far better. They are working really well, I love them.
Jeeze, with all the wildlife it was like the Hyundai shingled solar panel was Simba in the Lion King song Circle of Life. What was that a monkey in the background? 🤣 I liked the shingled panel though. Keep up the good work!
following. have solar ever 455w panels now. need some more
You always want more. More batteries, more solar. That's how I roll atm. As long as I have areas to install more solar, I'll go for it.
Seriously Andy, for that size I would say they are “significantly” better than the other two. Look at the size difference. It’s like half the size for the same productions.
But anyways thank you for the video always awesome quality
Yes, they are, I talked about this in the video and compared the size and output.
Time for the Elejoy EY800W. What's the difference between those UF panels and the VG ones?
Yeah, ordered one right after the 'incident' 😁
Here are the specs of both the VG and UF panels (it's halfway down on their side): www.hyundaisolar.com.au/
I bought Chinese panels i think they look like Longi panles half cut 144 cells 8 in series 530 watt panels max i got from them 31 degree tilt angle was 3.95kw hour out of 4.2 which translates to 494 watt even though the panel dimensions 2279X1134 MM 29 KG !! i194 watt per square meter I had them for 180USD each.
Are these available in western US? How much?
Europe and Aus only at the moment...
Where to buy Hyundai Shingled Solar Panels S400UF from? Do you have price details Andy? I live in Melbourne. Thanks
Will you be changing any of the panel angles or these will be going straight onto existing rails? Keen to find out. Another great project Andy. Thanks
They will be following the rails and existing roof angle. Only on the flat carport, we will have a 10° angle on the panels so the water and dirt can run off.
What is the tester model working up to 800W ?
On my website with more details. It also has a better display now with more information: off-grid-garage.com/measurement-tools-and-analisers/
Each lane has 36 cells in series so it takes two 'lanes' in series to create the full 72 series cells yielding 72 x 0.64v = 46.1 v Voc or 72 x 0.53v = 39.2 v Vmp. So likely two adjacent lanes make the series cells for one of five parallel strings. Each lane pair produces about 2 amps. Think of it like putting five 72 cells 2 amp panels in parallel.
All PV cells have some shunt leakage current so shaded lanes leakage with drag down the unshaded pairs current somewhat.
So, every two lanes in series, you reckon...
I realized these are PERC cells so their Vmp and Voc per cell is a little greater that normal cells. PERC cells have back side layer reflective, so it reflects light that penetrates through wafer back into junction, improving efficiency of cell a little bit.
So there are five row pairs, with each row pair having 72 series connected cells (cut cells). Each of five substrings are wired in parallel. Each of the five parallel pairs produces close to 2 amps Isc or 1.9 amps Imp. There is likely only one bypass diode across output terminals of panel. This is acceptable because each substring on can produce a maximum of about 2 amps.
i thought you ordered 28 hyundai panels. that's more than 11kw of power. you are putting 4kw on the roof? where are you putting the rest?
do you have a link where to buy these panels in OZ?
I have only found one place, Hyundai - VG Series - 400W Solar Panel
$395.24 oz
Agree with Farside here. W/area is significantly better with the Hyundai. I will look to get some of these here in the UK!
Hi u need to buy 800W solar panel tester. Also buy bifacial panels so that you want have this back panel cracking. JA solar hv some good panels. Also they are half cut so it works great with shading.
Sorry I couldn't comment before my phone was broken. :)
Hey Andy @offgridgarage
Have you been looking at the N type panels coming into the market?
I’m looking at the Jinko Neo N type
I would think any good product should have some overhead of 10-20% as far as the 150v limit I mean I'm not saying you should live your life that way but just saying
Heya, I'm looking for the highes powered solar panels I can get I can only put so many panels on 1 roof
Power per square foot? For their size they put out more power than the other two .
26:32
Yes, absolutely.
How much is one of these Hyundai pannels ?
Don't know, I haven't paid for them yet 😁
I would suspect the difference in warranty in the U.S. would be legal reasons. This does not necessarily mean one is better/worse, but knowing how laws work here in the U.S.... It is probably more complicated, and they either have not had the time yet to offer a warranty that is safe for them, OR, they don't want to deal with the potential legal side here.
Just got to the end of the video.........28!! 😲😲😲😲 Soooo looking forward to your next video now! Wont that many be enough to power Australia tho?! 😂😂
Plus I'm getting 6x540W half-cut Phono panels on the Tesla carport on a 10° angle.
Na, this won't be enough, there will be more. We will re-use all the panels from the garage for other projects 💪
Too bad we can't get these panels in the U.S.
It's weird they sell them over there, right?
Mmm I got 400w Vertex S for one year now, can't see what those Hyundai got special.
Vielen vielen Dank für den wirklich ausführlichen Test.
Bestätigt meine Vermutung dass die ganzen Marketingaussagen "hervorragendes Schwachlichtverhalten" etc. genau das sind: Marketingblabla. Tests dazu waren bisher aber praktisch nicht zu finden....bis jetzt. Natürlich sollte man nicht verallgemeinern, dein Test gibt aber einen sehr guten Hinweis dass man diese Aussagen mit Vorsicht genießen sollte.
Yes, seems, they are not better in low light conditions than other panels. With the shade of the trees though they seem to have an advantage due to their structure and how they are connected internally.
Sunny hot Austrailia.whats with this white s**t.🤣spit my drink on this one🤣🤣. Love it
Hi.
Are you running an actual load or you deployed the 'virtual load output' to simulate load on the panel? My MPPT controller does not show me more than 2 digits watts whenever I connect a panel without a load on it.
New subscriber here.. i personally dont go up 200 watts too heavy to install on my rooftop
I mean without any load just resistors basically a heater 400w is a lot for something that size seemingly without a fan or anything
Do the shingled panels have bypass diodes built into the back of the panels? Some panels have a diode box that not accessible or sealed.
I haven't seen those specific Hyundai panels in the United States that's probably why they didn't offer warranty for us over here..
that my luck buy one thing and you find something better, and you have all new equipment too
Why don't solar charge controllers have some kind of over voltage protection?
Hi Andy, I enquired to Eve energy Co from your website and was messaged by Quaine Xiang, is she part of the team? 16 280ah cells were $3400aud-ish.
I don't know her, sorry. Get a quote fromm QSO as well to have a comparison.
Nope still don't see those Hyundai panels nowhere in the United States I guess they don't sell to U.S customers.
Check Panasonic hjt 600w panels with 17A Isc
Around 22mins you have all cells partially covered & u still have 43v but no watts output, I still think ur correct Andy, they are in parallel, but no readable current (& therefore no watts) are being produced, while still producing a voltage. Just prior to this the panel was half covered to produce 15.98v & 10-12A or 170W (about), I think it is because the mppt controller is dropping the voltage to get max power point, so ur still getting near half the power @ 170Watts while the panel is half covered & some losses from temp, wire length, faint cloud cover, controller losses etc, may account for some other losses here. I am not sure why u doubt yourself here, I still think it is paralleled cells as u could produce a voltage at night with a torch, but no appreciable current or wattage output, does this sound reasonable? Thanks for all ur testing & theories. Cheers
Thank you. I'm still not 100% sure myself how they are connected within this panels. They act differently. And also, do we have bypass diodes in the connection box? Do these panels still need them?
A great video with awesome comparisons! Keep it up Andy
I'm a follower of your videos and also an off-grid solar user since 17-Jul-2022.
Below is our setup:
- Growatt SPF 5000 ES inverter
- 4 x 460W solar panels (JA Solar JAM72S20-460/MR/1000V; 144-cell half cut mono-crystaline PERC)
- 15 x 105Ah 3.2V LiFePO4 cells with BMS (TDT-8480-20S)
Thanks Amil. Wow, look at you, what a great setup, nice!
I use those panels since last spring. Great product. I have 410w
Great, do you have the UF or VG panels?
@@OffGridGarageAustralia VG.
Last week I succeeded to connect JK BMS and Cerbo GX using Louis Van Der Walt serial driver. It works on Cerbo GX. And JK BMS SOC is used now by Victron
To the testers credit.... it does say its power limit is 400watts
Panels not widely available. Australia and California so far.
Hi Andy Thanks for a great video, it was very educational. I have just decided to go for 26 panels of the Hyundai (HiE-S430HG). Do you (or anyone else) know what the HG stands for, since I cant find anything about it online?
By the way, the panels are going up on !y home here in Denmark :)
Those Hyundai's seem really good 👍
Good to see a fellow Vegas Pro video editor 👍🍻
Looking forward to you next vid 🎉🥳 Cheers Andy 🍻🍻
Thank you. Yeah, still running the old version of Vegas which I bought on eBay 6 years ago for little money. Working great, does everything I need. And I know its features. Just haven't got time to look at other options and learn a new program.
I have those panels in the UK. Have made a car port and use them as the roofing materials. Silicon the edge to limit the drips! LOL. Keeps the rain off my car and generates power when sun is out. Matched them to a solar edge 2.2kw inverter.
Nice, thanks for sharing. So, your panels are the roof? That's a great idea for a car port.
I'm trying to figure out what is it you're actually doing with the beer can ?
Andy, look foreward not to end as a Solar Messi and live on a power Plant.
I have noticed that power optimisers on ebay seem pretty cheap. They put MPPT at the solar panel. Not sure if have to run all panels with optimizers on or if can just do the ones getting more shade in parts of the day. Also interested in trying out enphase grid tie inverters on panels but think need the whole setup and they dont support offgrid use though seen some using it as long as your loads stay on and use more than the grid tie will produce to not impact the off grid 'grid' production.
They usually clash with the MPPT of your system as you now have two MPPTs working on the same panels. You can kill your MPPT with that sort of setup.
I have some micro inverters here which I will test at some stage for another installation on the property...
Great video, Andy. From the looks of the way the panels responded to shading, it seems that you could gain quite a bit of production by properly orientating the panels. In your test example, if the shading were to move from side to side across the panel, rather than from top to bottom, production could be maximized, versus having the shading move from top to bottom. What do you think?
That is true bit very hard to achieve. Due to the limited space on the roof, there is only one orientation for the panels possible. And if I could 'waste' more space for having them oriented differently, I would probably rather install more panels on this space to compensate for any loss in shading conditions.
But more testing is on the way...
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A 1 ohm 500w resistor across the output of the panel. Measure the voltage. Square the voltage and you have the watt out of the panel. The longer you leave it hooked up the hotter the resistor. Ohms law
A resistor will not work in these cases.
Works on my panels
@@ciciedee5474 of course it works but it's not the MPPT.
I will go for cost per watt at my farm at least where space is not a problem. I take the cheapest I can find and put it up. At home it may be different as space is more valuable but as I have what I am allowed to at home (and then some) it is not relevant right now. Thanks for your testing anyway. It was interesting.
Yeah, I would do the same if I had the space, just keep adding solar strings until it is enough in winter.
i have these panels 420watt each when they are half shaded they still work i think there called q cells i might be wrong lol but been working great for over a year now in the summer they were producing me 6kw a day.
Thanks for sharing. Isn't Q-Cell a different brand 😁
Yeh I think you might be right 5 in parrellel 2 in series. Your results would have been very different with a 24v battery as 1 single set of strings would not have been enough voltage.
I'll test again connected to my 48V battery.
No need for microinverters or optimisers for shading ( excluding panel monitoring)?
I'm limited with what sort of micro inverters I can use in an off-grid installation and how many the MPII can handle.
Great video Andy! The breakdown of power per area was extremely helpful for evaluating these panels as overall space available is an important variable for many people. I'm in the U.S. so I'm not sure if these are available here yet (and of course at what price including delivery), but you'll have to do another video where you include the watt per area per dollar, even if it's just in Aussie bucks. Then we'll get the ultimate ultimate comparison evaluation video, heh. Hope all is well and Prostata!
Thank you, yeah, doing more testing as we speak. I have now both panels connected to the large battery and keep testing. I haven't got a final price yet and it's a bit hard to know as I'm getting these incentives and it is all clear as mud how much they would cost i real life.
question : can i add 3 JK BMS in parallel ?
Thanks Andy, 400 x 28 is a lot of killer wasps 🤔 Be great in the winter 👍
Plus 6x540W Phone half cut panels for the car port. Yeah, this is all for winter usage basically. Summer is never a problem...
Like 404 - ugh, we aren't in sync again!
A return viewer today, just shows how sharing a wealth of knowledge openly on the Internet is the gift that keeps on giving!
Thanks a lot Trevor!
Good stuff Andy - the reason they are not warrantied outside Aus and Europe is they are not available outside those locations-
Interesting...
Thanks for these really interesting practical testings! One idea for some more comparable shadow-yield-tests: testing in full sun light with panels covered with some sort of mesh or fabric to „apply“ the exact same amount of shadow should give much more trusty numbers than just dealing with some differently sized tree-shadows…😇
More testing in place at the moment. I have now two of them in series and connected to the big battery. It's also visible in the VRM with all data and stats. vrm.victronenergy.com/installation/100328/share/d0ebad4e
Thank You for a great video :) What is that universal powerbank at around 15:40 ? I am looking for something like this now. Does anyone have expereience and recommendation? I see USB PD port and if LIFEPO is built in, would fit my purpose. Thanks for sharing
Its Bluetti EB150 portable Power Station
I use this Bluetti Power Station every day as a generator replacement. I run a lot of tools directly from it and also charge batteries out in the field. Super versatile with 1.4kWh of storage and 1kW inverter.
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Great Video, We are looking at the Hyundai 390-uf for our system in Tasmania. Lots of cloudy days, rain and some shading. It's hard to find good information on these subjects. Most is related to mainland conditions. I was very interested in your results especially in those conditions.
These panels work great in all conditions. I'm really impressed with their performance having them for 3 months now. An I constantly monitor them through the app😉
the 390-UF are the older panels though, the new ones are 415-UF, same size but 415W output.
I have made a few videos just after the installation in different conditions showing the performance and they don't disappoint.
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Hyundia need to change their website, I can only find the UF series in 385, 390, 395 and 400W
Great review, Andy! Cheers 🍺
Old video but I'd suggest that the blocking blanket isn't dark enough possibly?
I also tried with 2 blankets...
I think shingle wins due to watt per foot
I have the HiE-S400VG. can you explaine the difference please
Oh! Got it, your's is more efficient- Keep up the good work.
Maybe it’s me being bias. Just received 62pcs of these Shingled panels 🤯. They look really good
Oh, wow, 62! Great system!
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Yes i will ping you pics of the installation sometime :) thank you for your videos again
I want to do what you do for a living...lol.
All very nice, so the Hyundai panel has an equivalent or even higher performance than your „Canadian Sharp“ Combo. But what you have not taken into account is that it takes up much less space! If you look at the output/squaremeter ratio, the shingled panels by far excel the Canadian/Sharp combo. The new panels should nearly double the output on your roof (or help you reach the same output with less space - if you have to observe the legally required distances to the edges etc). So perfectly understandable that you ordered the panels, Andi!
Thanks Philip. I have considered the size and compared the power output to the other panels in the video. You may not have watched that far 😁
@@OffGridGarageAustralia Yes, I had entered the comment before you came to that conclusion in the end by yourself! 😀
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Have somebody experience with these hyundai hie-s440hg ?
@OffGridGarageAustralia...._ ACHTUNG!!! Das ist ein Fake Account
So, many thanks for testing of your solar panel tester WS400A 😁I've been just about to buy such a device, but now... I'll look for annother company, which fuses the limits to avoid smoke...
You can buy the new version EY800W only 70€.
Ordered...
They strips are parallel as initially thought. Voltage drops because the MPPT is stressing the cells, that’s how MPPT works.
Without looking at other comments, per pane looks to be a standard voltage rate of 14vV/2.85A @ 3% tolerance. So 14x10=140 / 140x2.85=399w +/- 11.97w@3% .
14v @ 2.8-3A with 3-5% tolerance is common in the electrical 12v charging/power world of DC electronics.
Good show. And yes. You need a new tester. No need to accidently short the panel after the tester shorts. Sad part is the same tester at higher voltage likely has nothing more than the regulators with heatsinks on them.
Cool there is good panel. I want to buy it. How much your panel and what company buy it
It's best to google this and see who locally in your area sells them.
the 800 W panel tester is way better. Testet it already with 550W panels in sunny germany back in summer. No smoke, no overheating, no fear. Works.
You're going to have 11200kw in panels????? W0W! 👍👍 two thumbs up.
When I have to carry/move my large panels I put on those grippy work gloves, the ones with rubber palms. They make carrying hot and bulky panels SO much easier.
Thanks for the video, there is nothing better than real tests to check the behavior of the panel
I have a 410W Hyundai VG panel that I wanted to install on my 12V camper. Unfortunately, after reading a lot, I think that it is not the most recommended due to the amount of shadows to the left and right that the roof rack of my van can generate. (Since the panel I have to place it vertically and not horizontally as in your tests).
I guess I have time to do tests, but I don't know if 2 panels of 200W in series will be a better option...