Should the Oilers feel targeted by the Blues' bold offer sheet strategy?
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- Should the Oilers feel targeted by the Blues' bold strategy to go after both Dylan Holloway and Phillip Broberg? Why is it we don't see more teams use offer sheets to pry away players from other teams? TSN Hockey analyst Frankie Corrado and Bryan Hayes join SportsCentre to discuss.
Not a coincidence that Edmonton hires the most disliked person in Hockey and then becomes the first team ever to be double offersheeted.
The most disliked person in Hockey is still Matt Tkachuk.
@@alanpaul9481😂😂😂
I think most sane people prefer an uber talented agitator and loyal teammate than a GM who covered up sexual abuse to one of his players.
@@alanpaul9481oilers fan tears are the best.
It's all a charade.
"The staws on the boilers had to leave suddenly because the gm is a perv"
All scripted and according to league plan. This is an actors Guild, not a sport. Enjoy being dupes suckers
Armstrong just tossing a grenade in Bowman's office, right after McDavid's wedding lmao
The team obviously doesn’t value the players as much as the fanbase. A grenade? That might be a bit of a stretch.
It's not like the team didn't have 2 months to sign these guys.
@@brianlb78 Not their priority.
Does this happen if Stan bowman is not Edmontons GM. This seems like a message sent by the gms of the league to bowman.
A message that the Oilers have heard loud and clear, as they will show when next they meet. Oilers are the best team in the NHL, they're going to try and hit them, but it won't work. St. LOUIS still won't make playoffs
@@NatsdadsamI Oilers are ONE of the best teams but not the best.
Its tough to say that, when you lose a Final and even tougher to say in a preseason.
Ask Ottawa how things went since their last final...or Vancouver... or Montreal... or Calgary...
@@NatsdadsamI "the best team" crazy how the lost then eh?
“The best team” such a typical oiler homer thing to say.
Bowman didn't put the Oilers in this cap strapped situation. They made themselves a beautiful target.
These Blues offer sheets are great value.
2nd/3rd for two 1st round prospects (that you don’t need to wait 3+ years to develop)
Even if they don’t pan out, it’s 2 years at slightly higher AVV with little asset risk.
Outstanding job by D Armstrong to smell blood in the water.
My guess, he’ll get 1 of 2 players from Oilers.
Broberg is better than Hayes is giving him credit for- can be used in offensive situations, and is a better defensive Dman than Bouchard. Once he got in the playoff lineup, he didn't look back.
Totally agree, once he got in he was great. Worth +4m today, probably not but could definetely be worth that in 2025
2 years is the worst possible contract at that price for Broberg from the oilers POV. If it was 1 year, u might be able to swallow it since it doesn't impact Drais future contract. And if it was 4 or 5 years, 4.5 mil would probably end up as a steal in the latter few years. 2 leaves them in no man's land and means they more than likely overpay for an RFA defenseman who hasn't even played a full season in the NHL yet.
good luck going after the Blues. Armstrong traded a cocaine dealer for Brayden Schenn and a guy that quit playing hockey for O'Reilley. Lee Stempniak for Alex Steen and Coliacovo also comes to mind. You'll end up with a Kyrou for Draiseityl trade or something......
He does seem to do very well on trades, FA signings not so much t hough.
That man routinely comes out on top with trades lool
Remember there is still a week for the Oilers to answer. If they find an out (which may be as easy as announcing surgery for Kane) then all Armstrong accomplishes is making a complete loss trade with the Penguins.
@@alanpaul9481 not likely they can keep both of them which was more than likely the plan all along
Spot on & HILARIOUS!!!
Good job hiring Bowman
Offer sheets are discussed all the time but if the player has no intention of signing it then the organization and agent never have a need to go public. In this case both players are ok with leaving the team and playing in St Louis….no way the oilers let two entry level contract players jam them up and screw over the long term extension negotiations with 97, 29 and 2
Oilers made the stupidest decision to hire Bowman... bad vibes all around. Just stupid!!
Screw Bowman
Your going to see this on TSN tommorow
Stan Bowman signs Dylan Holloway to a 2-yr 25 million dollar contract and Broberg to a 3-year 40 million dollar deal
TSN, Canada's best sports network. Looking forward to watching the Nucks and Oilers this season.
wont be watching them on TSN
@@joevanbaidwan3196 truly unfortunate. hopefully one day they will get the rights back.
Broberg is a stud… Oilers need him for the backend. I’d keep him over Holloway, forwards come and go.
Holloway is a very good bet to be a full out star player. An 80 point + guy down the road imo.
Were they targeted? Yes. Because they left themselves vulnerable by not getting the players signed. Will it result in the Blues/Oilers never coming to the table again for half a decade. Also yes.
I’m fine with that
Offer sheets actually can/could be a corrective on spending 70% of the cap on a few elite players. If a GM manages their cap more conservatively, they can 'overpay' young RFAs and expand the prospect pool, with short-term deals - this works, especially, for rebuilding teams, where the opportunities for gaining competitive strength are most welcome, very much in the spirit of a cap-limited league. Its just another dimension of cap & asset management discipline, that should be, well, mercilessly exploited competitively. It rewards younger players, puts a break, indirectly, on the highest-end salaries, somewhat anti-inflationary.
Yes they were targeted because they were vulnerable. And no they should keep broberg and let hollaway go. These are the oilers first round picks from 2019 and 2020.
plus Armstrong hates Bowman
Agree. Holloway is going to be the one who's career is trashed by this. He will be sent from where he was going to put up 50 plus points to a team where he will get 30. He will become a career 1.5/year guy who could have been a 5 plus guy. Stupid move for him, especially when his salary was expected to come in just 700k lower as is. He trashed his own career, let him go to the talentless Blues and flail. Keep Broberg.
@@alanpaul9481 I'm not sold on Holloway. He has scored in the AHL and he's almost a point a game player there. He might play second line in St Louis. Guess he might in edmonton too if Kane isn't going to play. Still Edmonton is getting forced to lose a player who was probably going to play full time for them this year.
I like the look of Broberg. He hasn't seemed to get a full shake but he's got to be better than kulak and company at the bottom of the line-up. I think he's a second pair guy, great skater, good puck mover.
@@biffstrong1079 That's what I'm saying - Holloway should be let go, and he will regret it.
Broberg, in my opinion, must be kept. He can be Oscar Klefbom, same path with a few years development and steady improvement. I agree with you he will definitely grow to second pair, I think his tool set has potential to look like Klefbom/Ekholm.
I say let them both go... They made their bed and now they need to sleep in it. They can watch their ex-teamates parade the cup around while they tank their value for their next contract playing on a losing squad. I would have liked to keep Broberg but no way he is worth 4.5 at this point. Our window to win the cup is now. I would rather put that money to fill holes down the stretch to win the cup this year. 4.5 would get us a pretty good experienced D (maybe even a 6 mil guy taking a 1year discount to have a chance at a cup). IF Broberg pans out which isn't guaranteed (he played a handful of games with the best players). He wouldn't be worth that kind of money until after the Oilers cup window is over. I don't want to risk losing the cup because we are wasting cap on a future maybe. Do what's best to win a cup now, worry about the future later.
Bowman doing good job so far. He could of signed those 2 the first day!
I'm pissed, both Oilers should have been signed awhile ago. WTF where was Bowman ??? prob zip. Damn what a bad hire!!
Not sure if this is true but Broberg wanted 1.8 for 2 yrs, Oilers offered 1.1 mill....then a stalemate......Wth!...🙄
@@user-bi6yf4hv9g I concur. I think Ken Holland should have had them both locked down during his tenure. But here we are now in a pickle wrt oilers future. Both were 1st rnd picks I believe.
Stan Bowman effect. Hiring him was like CBJ hiring Babcock.
A very good explanation of the two St Louis offer sheets delivered with humour and energy.
ANOTHER Oilers video, Jesus, did they not get enough publicity on their cup run!?
The Oilers opened themselves up to this by mismanaging their salary cap situation. I'm not mad at the Blues for this.
If it's something in the CBA then why can't they do it? Take it out then. It makes no sense to have it but nobody's supposed to use it. ???????
Couldn't have happened to a nicer GM!
As a life long Oilers fan, here's my take on all this.
1- For an offer sheet to happen, the players have to agree and sign it to make them valid.
2-Connor and Leon have stated and been giving the hints that "the team" must take a small hit if we want this team to continue the path we're on and the momentum we've achieved.
Taking these two things into account, I say let both of the fuckers go! We have players that have proved they will take a bit less than they could get elsewhere in order to keep the teams momentum going. If two young players, or even just one of them, get their offer sheets matched, it will be the start of breaking the bond in the room.
Players wise, I would like to see them both stay as Oilers but after this, they have now decided that they are more important than the team so good riddance! The top two payers in the world along with others on the team are willing to make a pack and stay together but you as a young, still unproven player is going to break that? Cut the Cancer out and open the door for them on their way out, them staying will now hurt the team dynamic in the room going forward.
And for the two players...you will make a bit more now but the amount your Stats will suffer will create a long turn value for you and you would have been better off having this Oilers team on your resume for the remainder of your tenure in the NHL.
Just my feel on it all.
I can bet there are quite a few other teams wishing they had the umm pair to make those offer sheets lol.
WHO the hell is Kevin Barker looking at 😲😮😲😮😲😮😮😫😵😣
Honestly the Oilers should just send Kane to LTIR and trade away Ceci and sign both Holloway and Broberg.
They want to keep as much money available for Leon. If it comes to it would you rather have two replacable d-men or a top 3 player
It makes no sense to keep these players at that cost when 97 and 29 need to be extended long term over the next two seasons.
Problem is they already lost Desharnais, so they were relying on Broberg. Without him, they are left with ceci on second pair and stecher full time.on third pair.
@@alanpaul9481 they were not relying on Broberg at 4 plus million a season. Might as well go the PTO route and see which defender can earn a spot from camp. They have enough depth at forward with the vets who came back for less…..no, this is actually a blessing in disguise for the team, they just need to extend Leo at a reasonable cap hit long term.
@@barstar888 I think you are undervaluing a near-prime age 2 way defender. Broberg could be covering Nurse by the end of the year. Oil would be better to trade Ceci for nothing than lose Broberg. He's obviously the target for the Blues here as well, there's a reason for that.
Defenders with his skill set are rare. Remember, this was the development path of one Oscar Klefbom - and what would you pay to have had him healthy the last 4 years?
Edmonton has done this to themselves, poor cap management is the cause of it and the blues needed some younger player in their retool/rebuild. They see an opportunity and they take it.
Fail Edmonton, Win St. Louis
Edmonton stinks lol. Without McDavid and the PP they are a lottery team
Who is Hayes? Why are we listening to his opinion??
Holloway's stats are crap and Broberg is decent and has potential. St.Louis is targeting the wrong players really unless they are just trying to cause a shit storm for no reason.
I think we should let broberg go...hes not worth 4.5. not yet, maybe in a few years
This aged well.
This has Peter Chiarellis fat sticky fingers all over.
I hope in the future we really smack the blues around with an offer sheet
And a valuable young player
9 mill kinda
Handcuff the blues
I’d keep Broberg , ditch nurse and ceci
To unload Nurse your going to have to add picks and get nothing back. Probably 2 1st rounders.
Unload a whale into shallow waters. What a thought
I am just a pissed Oilers fan right now. I hope they are able to keep both as they are both Oilers future players and were stars in the playoffs
based on what Hayes assumes how the oilers view broberg, it clearly shows how little eastern media (mainly TSN) knows what goes on in the west
EDM keep getting L, love to see that
same post different video, good bot
How is it an L if St. Louis wants to overpay both of them. Nice thing about having depth as you can get away with stuff like this. Broberg has 11 points in 81 games and is a -5. To pay him over 4mill is a joke 😂
Broberg barely played in the NHL last season. Hardly an L other than losing out on his potential in the future, but he already demanded a trade last December when he wasnt playing in the NHL. Wish him the best but Blues can eat that $4.5m x2 AAV lol. Maybe Oilers return the favour next summer when Blues are cap strapped
To come to video just to hate is an L itself lol. Way to expose yourself.
The Oilers were targeted because they were extremely susceptible with two enticing RFAs just dangling out there. That's why.
Oilers play well, players are watched on an international stage, 31 GMs and their scouts were watching, Oil need to resign the big 5 which would take 80 % of cap lol, it’s exactly what I thought was going to happen 😂. In today’s NHL the teams that manipulate the cap the best are the most successful, not mentioning any names 🎰
Let both go and take the compensation. Elevate Savoie to 4line and maybe sign a good and experienced D using the compensation. Broberg is too expensive and Holloway is a Kailer Yamamoto at best.
Hayes take is so bad
Of course Broberg’s agent is Ferris
What comes around goes around. People forget that Kevin Lowe offer sheet Dustin Penner from the Ducks and in that same summer he offer sheets Thomas Vanek from the Sabres. Ducks declined to match and Sabres matched. Surprised these “commentators” didn’t mention the double offer sheet Kevin Lowe did in the same summer, 7 days apart
This. People wanna play victim all the time
It's called sourpuss ex Oilers GM Chiarelli is trying to mess with his old team
Wtf no kidding. That's the whole point of this. This is a hockey move. Nothing to do with Bowman. Grow up
Gentlemen’s agreement? Why do Canadians get their feelings hurt so easily?
CGY almost offer sheeted Ryan O'Reilly. That would have been a gong show on so many levels.
Smart move, Edmonton has been so bad, that they have had high first round picks. St Louis needs a left side defenceman. Expect Edmonton not to match Broberg.
Both guys are not totally proven in the NHL, Broberg has had chances but just could not stay in the line up consistently and part of the reason he was sent down for a large part of last year. Holloway has had some flashes of brilliance but on a team with as much talent as Edmonton's top 3 lines, its hard not to look decent. I think the Oilers counter Holloway and let Broberg go, bring in a couple vets to training camp on PTOs and see what shakes out. There is still the cap space to think about, now and going into next year, if the oilers let them both go then they arent limited to trading Cody and can see how the start of the year goes with Kane on LTIR and if they need to make a knee jerk trade by November, also by that point, team management might have a better idea of potential trading partners.
I think opposite. D men develop slower. Holloway will fail without the oilers talent around him, he just ruined his own career. He probably dropped his career earning by 15 million to make 700k this year. Broberg has the way higher ceiling, that's why the Blues offered so much for him.
@@alanpaul9481 I think Broberg is cashing in on one playoffs, St Louis is overpaying for him much like the Canucks did for Deharnais. He might get better, or at least more consistent but to be a top 4 defensemen, he needs to basically be on a team a few years into a rebuild. I guess St Louis is kind of there but I think Broberg would have been better in Chicago.
@@shaunjensen571 I think Oilers would keep him over Ceci, so even if they had to move to match, they will. He absolutely only has one playoff to back this up, but that's after years of steady progress to get there. He's the better bet at 4.5 than Holloway at 2. Holloway won't see the playoffs for half a decade after this move, and cost himself a fortune.
Good move by Broberg's agent. Terrible move by Holloway's.
@@alanpaul9481 So you're saying the only way Halloway is good is if he is playing with McDavid ro Draisaitl? Then why would the Oilers gm offer him more if that is the case. If the GM knows the player isn't as good as the stats show due to who he plays with he's not going to over pay for him. What you said makes no sense unless you think the GM is clueless.
They both getting retained future superstars need to pay more then those weak draft picks. Maybe next year if you want them that bad st Louis will see the price in 1 year
Do the players have a choice ? 🤔
Leafs Management is The worst but I’m honestly happy for AM34 hopefully he can help change the culture
Wrf did frankie say?? "They shouldn't fell targeted because they were capped out and vulnerable and a team wanted to exploit that... by targeting them" Bryan had to chime in and shut him up
Targeted as in they didnt do it for a personal attack. Obviously they went for them because of their cap situation. And good for them
@indy6976 well duh it wasn't personal you think he would have advise that
Chiarellis got a chip on his shoulder. Even though he sucked in his tenure in Edmonton anyway.
lol I hope oilers tell them enjoy Broberg, then trade draisaitl and skinner to Nashville for saros/shenn/o’reilly, Nashville retains 5.5 million worth of salary to equalize drausaitl and skinners new contracts, 29 at 14 aav, 74 at 4 aav
Imagine if this is all a switch and bait to pin the oilers against drai. Seams pretty damn plausible. Burn now or burn later. Definitely 4D chess nonetheless
That’s called being targeted Frankie lol
Calgary could have did this on July easy
They should have signed them way earlier !! Instead they took their sweet a$$ time and look what happened!!
How is Broberg not good ?
To lose Broberg for a 2nd round pick is insane!
Do you watch hockey to make your opinions ?
EDM needs to keep both are they are dumb!
Yes
Bad contract those guys aren’t it
Thoughts on African Americans
Sign n trade
They can't be traded for a year.
oilers are cooked no way they can re sign broberg to 4.5 mill ahaha
Massive overpay by the Blues on this, good riddance
Broberg is good enough to be the Blues' number 3 d-man right now. He could be a number two by the end of the season and a number one by this time next year. In that scenario, 4.5 million is a bargain.
Stan Bowmans destruction of the oilers begins. What a joke Bowman is. Why weren't these players signed before today. Absolutely absurd.
Because they don’t have the cap space😂 they’re like 300k over the cap right now
Calm down you don't know that
There's this guy on the team they're trying to resign, what's his name again? Rhymes with Frysightal I think. That contact is going to be big and the others have to fit into what remains.
@@dragoniv and another guy who’s name rhymes with kevin touchard. I’ve heard hes getting a pretty nice raise as well
@@moomax8649 Yes but not this year, thankfully.
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100% The Blues should feel the wrath of an offer sheet. The expert you have is rather goofy
NBA ALSO HAS LUXURY TAX.......WHICH ALLOWS THESE MOVES
NHL NEEDS TO BRING IN THIS SYSTEM OR ALLOW TEAMS THAT DRAFT PLAYERS AN EXCEPTION IN SALARY CAP
LIKE IF 97 GETS 14 M PER
ONLY 10 COUNTS TO THE CAP
ALLOWS PLAYERS TO STAY AND KEEPS TEAMS COMPETIVE
No
Does the team losing the player(s) to the offer sheet get draft picks?
Yea. The oilers will get a 2nd for broberg and a 3rd for Holloway
A 2nd for broberg. A 3rd for holloway. Both offers are 1 dollar below being a 1st & 2nd.
Yes they would get draft picks as compensation. The number of draft picks and the draft picks round number they would receive depends on the offer sheet salary. The higher the salary offer, the higher the draft picks round and the amount of picks
Yes
A second for Broberg and a third for Holloway.
It is a target, the rest of the nhl KNOW the Oilers are the best team. Do anything to try and knock them down any way they can. Take Broberg, he deserves the cash, but the Blues still aren't going to make playoffs.
best team? sure that would mean they won the cup right?
Go Blues Go
Let the blues over pay lol
Blues won the Cup in 2019! Suck it
@@polarisoutdoors3105Play Gloria!
Unexpected? I'd have been astounded if it didn't happen. Why would a team NOT make such offers?? If I'm a GM, (ya I know I'm not), I'd have done the exact same thing. 2 players who you could pick up who you know can play NOW, are just at the start of their skill level, are very young, who's upside is tremendous, and who you could get at a discount. It's a no brainer. I'm only surprised that just the blues had the foresight/ability to make the offers.