@@danmar007 Yeah, that linguistic battle was lost years ago, trying to push back here just makes you seem silly. Languages change. I don't like some of how English has evolved, but one either adapts or the rest of the world moves on without you.
I remember a restaurant that replaced their paper menus with Newtons. The waiter handed you a newton when you were seated and you scrolled through the menu on the device and made your choices. Press the order button and it got sent to the kitchen. Now this was in Stockholm, Sweden, and I think they got rid of them in a year or two. But it was a fun little experiement.
@@jasonblalock4429 It's pretty common that they just have a QR code for you to scan with your phone, and that sends you to the menu in html form. I don't really like it, but I can see how convenient it is for the restaurant.
@@Jezee213I don't think they had all that many in total. Probably no more than thirty or so. Quite possibly less than that. They only handed out one or two per table, and once you had made your order they collected them. But yea, it wasn't because they were cheap that they used them. It was a novelty thing. A bit like the Ice Bars that became popular some time in the late 90's or early 2K. You know the ones where everything was made of ice, including the shoot glasses. It was a bit strange walking in from the summer heat straight into freezing cold. They handed you a winter coat on the way in and everything. I think we had two of those in the city center, both in high end hotels, and within walking distance from each other. Don't know if any of them are still there. They must have been very expensive to run.
I actually have 2 Newtons, a keyboard, and even a developer manual that’s still sealed in plastic. It was owned by someone who was a developer back in the 90s. One of my favorite pieces of Apple history I own.
love owning Apple history! I own countless MacBooks, 3 new in box sealed iMacs, many more iMacs (a few boxed, a Cinema Display 30” with box, an Italian NeXT keyboard (I know, weird), a few iPhone/accessories boxes and a sealed 2018 MacBook Pro. also one of the MacBooks is the gold gold one :)
I have an MP120, one of the less desirable in terms of collecting I believe but it works well. Backlight makes a bit of a humming noise but that's it! Solid build
I was not expecting it to have so many of its "advanced" functionalities. The character recognition worked really well for block letters, but I am really impressed by the machine learning stuff. For reference, the famous LeNet paper was published in 1 year after this Newton was released. Also, I thought transforming your drawings into vectorized shapes was cool when I first used it a few years ago on a Galaxy Note. In 1997 it would have blown my mind.
linus is not understanding, Newton was a good concept, not needing your Laptop, Newton was enough. I developed many solutions on them, Best PDA in the Area !
As someone who mostly listens to LTT videos as background noise whilst cooking/cleaning I appreciate the interjection made to correct the error in the script Also this was an interesting piece of history I'd likely have never known of since I'm neither an apple fan nor old enough to been able to even talk when this thing was discontinued
They have to do that ever since the controversy a few weeks ago about how they say incorrect information and then silently put the correct info on screen.
@@jacobbailey2950...Unless they want to keep their fanbase... They can of course go back to lower qc and pumping out videos left and right, but they seem to actually be very smart about it and try to do better, so looking at it from that angle, yes they have to do that.
@@jacobbailey2950 They did, because if they didn't it would have ruined their image and they would be the new Illuminate. A big TH-camr whose image was destroyed by a mountain of controversies.
I have a Newton 2100 (with an aftermarket internal serial port I had installed) and the same keyboard and a few cards and accessories. I actually used it extensively for note taking when I was working for Apple in the pre-iPhone days, starting back in 2004. It was 6-7 years old then and already considered a totally dead product, but my customers always got a huge kick out of it, and it worked quite well. I still have it and love bringing it to tech conferences now - it's an amazing device, and a powerful conversation starter!
I had the same configuration, and was an original MP2K owner. I travelled across Europe, using dialup and wireless modems from the device to access Internet. I would telnet back to my university for email! The best use was wardriving with two wifi cards...these devices were wonderfully complete.
I had an uncle who had one of these when they first came out. Very few people had laptops back then and people were still playing the original Game Boy. For this thing to come out of nowhere was mindblowingly ahead of its time. It had a lot of cool ideas in the UI that no one else was doing. But as you said, the handwriting recognition wasn't that great so it quickly became more of a cool gimmick product than essential tech.
I had one in the 90s. The handwriting recognition sucked, but a third party app called Graffiti (I think that was the name of it) came out, and it was a game changer. It actually made the Newton usable, although not in the way Apple conceived it to be. The company that made Graffiti eventually came out with the Palm Pilot, which basically took over the market at the time.
@@lucasremI had an amazing Palm PDA as a kid that was also quite ahead of its time and had an early browser and even built in WiFi at a time that was barely a thing yet. So no, all PDAs were not, in fact, crabs.
My first wireless setup about 20 years back was a Netgear 54g router and PCMCIA card in an old Acer laptop. The range on it was garbage, but it was so cool at the time
Bear in mind that in 1997 you could also have bought a Psion Series 5 with a GSM adapter, and have had actually usable (if slow) mobile Internet, even on a cell network. And probably saved money too. The Newton died for very good reason.
See now this is the kind of quality we should expect from a video. And correcting the erroneous error in line with an audio correction, that's a boon to anyone listening but not watching the screen. Keep up the good work since recalibrating guys. ANd I hope the other fixes (which I won't mention directly but involve HR) are being properly addressed too.
I am sure this video was filmed weeks ago, before everything happened. But i agree about the new correction style. Hopefully they will keep doing it this way.
@unholydonuts Jobs and Woznaik didn't come back to Apple until 1996. The Newton and Pippin NEARLY KILLED Apple. The Company was hit with a $4 Billion Dollar Deficit by 1996.
I love how common these early tablet/PDA devices are in the series "For All Mankind". DAT audio is another technology that appears to be commonplace in the alternate history of the series.
That's where I've discovered this one, great series too can't wait for next season. Also it does help that For All Mankind is a series from Apple TV, otherwise I don't think they could get those old hardware to play with (or it would be very complicated and expensive for such a small thing in the series).
It also seems that the Newtons in the show also progressed further with the inclusion of better backlit LCD displays, as well as a detachable webcam that the Newtons in the show used for their version of FaceTime
Honestly I'm really impressed with the Newton. I remember my dad giving me and my sister Palm Pilots in the early 2000s. We both had to learn that special shorthand type handwriting to type one letter at a time (I still remember A to E lol). I never imagined a device from 1997 having decent handwriting recognition.
I friend of mine in middle school had one (or his dad did and he regularly stole it and brought it to school), and I was super impressed with it at the time. I totally realized it wasn't a practical device yet, but the potential was there.
What a unique video! As someone who was born in ‘90 I experienced all my youth group leaders having their PDAs back then. I remember being blown away that they could access the internet with something in their hand! It really has been amazing to watch technology the last 30 years. It’s magic.
Its crazy to think the newton was around so early apple was ahead of the curve and saw where tech was going a decade before the tech and world was ready for it.
There was actually plenty of portabla touch screen computers around ar that time. Like loads of them. The thing is that most of them run windows 2.0 that was auwfull, and windows 3.0 was typically a bit to heavy for those devices. The first i know of came in 1990 and used a 8086 cpu that by that time was very powet efficent.
except the iphone was just a dumbed down clone of windows mobile. See the MDA Compact 2, touch 2 pro and similar. Way more functionality than an iphone, and several years earlier. iPhone was only popular because it dumbed down the interface and went for heavily skewmorphic iconography so even idiots could figure out how to slide an unlocking pin across the front of the screen.
It wasn't particularly ahead of the curve the same year and in fact I believe it released a few months before the Newton was a device exactly the same by Amstrad called the PenPad a cheap electronics company, obvious not as polished and refined as the Apple but this was not ahead of the curve it was at the same point in the curve.
I don’t think you can congratulate them after 1 video plus there is a lot more serious issues to be addressed plus it’s just abit convenient that this video had to have the employee that’s a man with issues to show how caring they are pure bs
@@johnhowarth7216 Gimme a break, dude. It's not that hard to just ignore the gender thing if you don't like it. It's still just another human being up there. Don't you agree?
@@johnhowarth7216 did you really just try to say they used someone as a token to show how open they are, you cant preach when you referred to them as "a man with issues" that was just rude and uncalled for.
Programming an app for the Newton was my first full time job… In 1994. I was actually impressed by the handwriting recognition(apparently the first generation). My cursive is terrible and it did pretty well. PS: Digital cellular phones were perfectly capable of displaying text quite early on. I remember, I have the same phone number since ~1992.
I really like these type of videos where Linus looks at a really weird/old thing and learns about it in real time. Similar to the ReactOS and TempleOS videos
Well Emily referenced in this video something that could definitely make an interesting video. GNU/Herd was supposed to be the big open source/free OS. Though it took too long and linux came about and won instead. It technically still exists but has extremely limited usage.
@@PietroSanta I said it didn't NEED to be said . You CAN say what you want, but at least make an effort to correctly identify someone . I'm sure you're the type of person who only cares about people expressing their opinions when it's an opinion that aligns with your ideology anyway, so why don't you drop that act.
My dad's Newton was his old password manager for our home network that us kids were only allowed to use when he as out of town and needed access to something. Great to see it covered here!
The Newton is kinda hard to miss if you watch tech channels so you don't even have to be an Apple Fanboy. It did have some qualities, but man... That dongle life, ALREADY!? Also hi again Emily, the LTT video I rewatched most is, by far, the TempleOS one because of your in-depth explanations of the 'oddware' we're looking at. This is what you're best at, and it's awesome to see you back on the y'tube! :D. Ant then; hi team! Still a little bit of tidying up to do in the comments but you're all doing a great job! They are mostly full of love and appreciation :).
@@user-zd6wc1el4r Emily recently came out as a transwoman. Her chosen name is Emily. She has her own channel where she discusses this if you'd like to know more.
@@Theo-yy3hs You cannot change your gender. Anthony is now and will always be a biological male. He has XY chromosomes. He was presumably born with male genitalia. He is a man with gender dysphoria. I am not sure what is worse. A man with a mental illness, or other people calling him a her.
The eMate 300, essentially a laptop form factor Newton, is one of my favorite pieces of 90's tech. It had a similar aesthetic to the Mac G3 series, with transparent green or transparent orange plastic for the shell.
We had eMates in school that we were allowed to take home to type our projects on. And it connected to a printer via the old port that looks like PS/2 or S Video.
@ no, ADB is the one that looks like the Svideo port, and only handles HID. The Geoport looked like a DIN9 plug in the modem/printer port of early macs and was standard RS422 iirc
Honestly a video on the General Magic line up would be great. The real predecessor products to the iPhone, considering one of the lead engineers designed the iPhone, and iPod before.
I have several General Magic devices in my collection, along with various books, accessories and supporting assets. They're amazing devices and you can really feel the first hints of the future we all live in now in them!
A fun romp through history, thanks for showing what your Newton could do. I recently rebuilt my original Messagepad and got it working again and it's a tough user experience, TBH. At the time it was magical though, I remember downloading free books and using it in a Kindle-esque fashion, and keeping my notes and calendar on it. I suppose I'll pull it off the shelf in honor of your video and try to write "hello" on it a few times.
A surprisingly great video! Actually impressive how much this was able to do so long ago and how there are still so many similarities in the modern versions!
I had an Apple Newton when I worked in Japan in 1996-1999, and have enjoyed all the frustrations that are included in this review. I eventually put it and all it's accessories in a box, where they remain to this day. Yes, I brought it home with me, it was worth a lot of money and I couldn't just dump it. I could never keep up with the scheduling speed that my team could achive working with a small paper based system! And I got so tired of them laughing at this bleeding edge tech was so bad. I stayed in paper systems (various) until the Blackberry entered the scene.
If you wanted cellular, that should work with the RTM8000. Bonus points for the unlettered version with a headset jack. Shout out to Emily, nice to see you back!
In progress to the iPhone apple actually met with one of the palm clones (which all kind of came after this thing) that had cellular connectivity. The iPhone isn’t that different than a palm pilot, especially in its early iterations. I remember not being that blown away by the iPhone because I’d already played around with a bunch of these kind of handhelds and windows ce things, including a couple with cellular service. It wasn’t until they really became like another whole ass computer in your pocket with a decent camera and video that I really started to care (iPhone 4/5 era)
@@FrostyDeagz to be fair there were like a chunk of years there where most android phones was taking like serial killer level photos unless you were in direct sunlight. There were statistical studies on dating app profiles just based on phone type and it had everything to do with photo quality.
Yeah, I sold cell phones and electronics before, during and after android and iphone hit the market. windows ce palms were pretty good imo and I actually liked my blackberry's more than Iphone or android while the transition to smartphones was happening. If Blackberry had done better with the storm, and Microsoft had innovated mobile windows better/faster, we would possibly have a different landscape in the mobile market today.
I'm even older than Linus and remember lusting after a Newton. I thought they were the future. I bought a Palm Pilot though (I was skint!) and used it for about a fortnight before realising I didn't have a busy enough life to need a PDA... Also, great to see Emily back in front of camera.
I was working at an Apple dealer when the Newton came out. We got a package of 10 Newtons and a demo unit with a point of sale display. I think we sold two. I liked them though!
I have one of these and it still runs! We used them in a pilot program in medical school (1997-2001) to see if they would work to take patient notes to make this process easier and more readable....since doctors have notoriously bad hand writing. (as in first attempts at EMRs in your hand) It was a bit too clunky to really catch on but we got to keep the newtons when the project was completed. My flash card is only 2MB and somewhere I have the modem card.... Was really cool at the time for those of us who loved new tech but couldn't afford it. Beaming notes to another newton actually worked well in our eyes, We could send notes to people across the room and no one would be the wiser!
My parents used to use one of these. If i remember correctly that's why they bought their first ipad, the newtons notes could be transferred and they still have some of the notes they made on the newton accessible today.
man showing off the Airport Express as an old piece of tech.....I wish Apple never abandoned the airport line. They were so good for the time! Took the "it just works" motto seriously when most other routers were a pain in the butt. Plus being able to hook up a printer to the USB port or any audio to the headphone jack was so good.
I still own 2 of these bricks. They were used by the medical first responders in my city for years. They had a whole workflow from first assessing the patient, put the diagnosis in and send it to the ER before the patient arrives by ambulance to have everything ready for treatment.
I am getting complete deja vu. I SWEAR I have seen Linus hold a newton before. I SWEAR I remember him saying the exact same thing about how it sucked to actually write in. I am a super fan and have watched nearly every LTT video (for better or for worse.) And I firmly believe he has made a video like this before. Maybe it was a similar apple product that's just as old.
Fun facts, the Orinoco Card, is the same card that Apple rebranded "Airport" when they launched there WiFi compatible products, around 1999. There were cellular modems for the Newton and eMate that worked with the technologies at the time; but with the demise of RTT1x and EDGE/GPRS, no longer function in most of the world. The serial port adapter is actually a GeoPort (Apple's Modem and Printer ports), not ADB. There were ADB adapters, but this one, and the ones on the older devices were GeoPorts. This did mean they supported AppleTalk, and with the right adapters can connect to a LocalTalk network or Ethernet; and can connect to a serial or networked printer. Awesome to see Emily on screen!
I'm niether Linus's age nor am I an apple fan. I am a geek. So I only check one of the three boxes, but I did know about the Newton. This specific model came out the year I was born and someone in my family had bought one and it would find itself moving around different family members' houses. It ended up in houses across state lines and oceans even - as it ended up in my home in Florida, one uncle's home in Washington, another's in New Jersey, and got pushed around a couple of family members' homes in Puerto Rico. The cycle of re-gifting the thing around the family ended when I somehow ended up acquiring it in 2005 and instantly sold it in a garage sale to use the proceeds to buy a GameCube game - I don't remember which though. Lol.
I'm watching on my Samsung phone at 1080p on cell data with a Bluetooth headset that's not even on my ears, it vibrates on my head near my ears without blocking surrounding noise. How times have changed.
Love the correction format and letting Emily have more time to talk about her research! It's super clear that the correction is happening, even if not (initially) looking at the screen, and the way it flows with the rest of the video really works! Nice work on the process update team 🧡
I chucked one of those wireless cards down the stairs at a metal door in absolute frustration. It didn't fair well, but worked just as good pre-toss lol. It was spotty at best to connect to wifi.
"Its supposed to learn your writing over the course of weeks or months" This is the fancy sales-talk way of saying that you will learn how to write in a way that this device can understand over the course of weeks or months
I remember those. I had to use one in a job I had back then. It was okay. I didn't find myself wanting to run out and get one myself though. It was like a Gameboy for trying to get work done rather than playing video games. The stylus features were fantastic. I wish that todays gadgets still all had the stylus holster and the pop out stand. Very useful. I love that it used to play games. I never played games on the one I used as my boss wouldn't have gone along with that. Looks like from this video, I wouldn't have missed anything trying to play games on this thing. I don't understand Jobs' disdain for the stylus. They are a wonderful thing because they keep your screen clean compared to our oily fingers and if you hold them right, they keep your hand out of the way. I hate using a touch screen without a stylus. You get the screen all oily even if you wash your hands frequently and your hand keeps getting in the way of what you are trying to see. I won't even play a touch screen game that requires me to use more than one touching object in order to play them. I also hate having to 'pinch' or 'spread' two fingers apart in order to zoom in or out on a game or other touch screen program. Just give me a pair of plus and minus zooming 'buttons' so I can use my stylus to operate them. I love the stylus using touch screen on the DS line of consoles and wish that my phone had one like it. Good thing someone figured out how to make a capacitive touch screen recognize a stylus by putting a little rubber thing on the end of it. Now, if affordable phones and tablets only came with built in stylus holders like the Newton and the DS consoles did.
Ah the Apple Newton. I remember those digital planners. It is interesting to see some of the origins of how technology evolved over time. The IPHONE and Later Smartphone in general was such a revolution in how we used all of these digital devices. It brought together the Digital Camera, MP3 player, Video Player, GPS navigator, Digital Assistant, and of course Cell Phone into one device. Not even Star Trek thought of that. The Tri Corder was only meant for medical diagnosis, but the smartphone could probably be a base tech for even that.
Thanks Kane for helping!!! Excellent video LTT!!! I like the video/voice over for updates that were discovered after the initial video! It's nice to see your process improvements are working. Awesome Job!!!
22:56 I'm guessing this is an example of the new way to add corrections? If so: Well done, this is way better than just some *text. Mistakes happen. When they do, please more of this! :)
That's really cool. Totally forgot about the Palm Pilot special characters to write in, and was also wondering if the cursive recognition on the Newton was an early form of machine learning, and indeed it was!
0:21 for those wondering, that knife striking the apple is the Civivi Praxis with a Damascus steel blade and rubbed copper scales (handle). You're welcome 😉
Great video! I was happy to see a short explanation instead of just text on the screen to explain something, especially since I often have your videos playing in the background while doing other tasks.
Steven Seagal used this device in his "Die hard on a train" movie (Under Siege 2). He used it to try and send information to the military about what the bad guys were up to. I think he hooked it up to a phone (without using a PCMCIA card).
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*Petition for Linus to use this as a daily driver for a week*
nah, one month challenge
I don’t know how many drops can this thing take?
I don't think he would last an hour let alone a whole week!!
It's not a car. Stop calling things that are not vehicles "daily drivers". It makes you seem silly.
@@danmar007 Yeah, that linguistic battle was lost years ago, trying to push back here just makes you seem silly. Languages change. I don't like some of how English has evolved, but one either adapts or the rest of the world moves on without you.
I remember a restaurant that replaced their paper menus with Newtons. The waiter handed you a newton when you were seated and you scrolled through the menu on the device and made your choices. Press the order button and it got sent to the kitchen.
Now this was in Stockholm, Sweden, and I think they got rid of them in a year or two. But it was a fun little experiement.
And nowadays a lot of restaurants use tablets for tableside menus. So they were about 25 years ahead of the curve. 🙂
@@jasonblalock4429 It's pretty common that they just have a QR code for you to scan with your phone, and that sends you to the menu in html form.
I don't really like it, but I can see how convenient it is for the restaurant.
omg really! thats crazy. Was it when they were still relatively new? If it was, they spent a mint!
@@Jezee213I don't think they had all that many in total. Probably no more than thirty or so. Quite possibly less than that. They only handed out one or two per table, and once you had made your order they collected them. But yea, it wasn't because they were cheap that they used them.
It was a novelty thing. A bit like the Ice Bars that became popular some time in the late 90's or early 2K. You know the ones where everything was made of ice, including the shoot glasses. It was a bit strange walking in from the summer heat straight into freezing cold. They handed you a winter coat on the way in and everything.
I think we had two of those in the city center, both in high end hotels, and within walking distance from each other. Don't know if any of them are still there. They must have been very expensive to run.
Hah, do you remember the name or location of that restaurant? I guess it wasn’t the state owned burger chain? :D
Props to Kane for letting Linus literally man handle a piece of history.
@@jcfawerdOOOOHH GOT EM. doof
@@jcfawerd You can just say "their". It's both a singular and plural pronoun.
@@jefferyG499 You're both a singular and plural pronoun.
I hope he doesn't drop it off camera
@@jefferyG499 Im mot even slow and I never could remember when to use theyre , their etc lmaooo I hate It
I actually have 2 Newtons, a keyboard, and even a developer manual that’s still sealed in plastic. It was owned by someone who was a developer back in the 90s. One of my favorite pieces of Apple history I own.
Save that shiet u kno how much u can sell those for like holy fuck 😵💫
love owning Apple history! I own countless MacBooks, 3 new in box sealed iMacs, many more iMacs (a few boxed, a Cinema Display 30” with box, an Italian NeXT keyboard (I know, weird), a few iPhone/accessories boxes and a sealed 2018 MacBook Pro. also one of the MacBooks is the gold gold one :)
I have 2 also, one is the limited clear shell version, goes well with an iMac G3
who asked
I have an MP120, one of the less desirable in terms of collecting I believe but it works well. Backlight makes a bit of a humming noise but that's it! Solid build
I think Linus should do more old tech overviews like this, love it.
Bet
agreed!
He should review more GPU coolers.
Agreed.
I want to see someone in LTT to use an Apple EMate 300 because it's very similar to an AlphaSmart 3000, but with more advanced apps.
I was not expecting it to have so many of its "advanced" functionalities. The character recognition worked really well for block letters, but I am really impressed by the machine learning stuff. For reference, the famous LeNet paper was published in 1 year after this Newton was released. Also, I thought transforming your drawings into vectorized shapes was cool when I first used it a few years ago on a Galaxy Note. In 1997 it would have blown my mind.
linus is not understanding,
Newton was a good concept, not needing your Laptop, Newton was enough.
I developed many solutions on them, Best PDA in the Area !
who?@@lucasrem
As someone who mostly listens to LTT videos as background noise whilst cooking/cleaning I appreciate the interjection made to correct the error in the script
Also this was an interesting piece of history I'd likely have never known of since I'm neither an apple fan nor old enough to been able to even talk when this thing was discontinued
They have to do that ever since the controversy a few weeks ago about how they say incorrect information and then silently put the correct info on screen.
@@artcasual99they dont have to do anything
Good example of a lesson learned here
@@jacobbailey2950...Unless they want to keep their fanbase...
They can of course go back to lower qc and pumping out videos left and right, but they seem to actually be very smart about it and try to do better, so looking at it from that angle, yes they have to do that.
@@jacobbailey2950 They did, because if they didn't it would have ruined their image and they would be the new Illuminate. A big TH-camr whose image was destroyed by a mountain of controversies.
I have a Newton 2100 (with an aftermarket internal serial port I had installed) and the same keyboard and a few cards and accessories. I actually used it extensively for note taking when I was working for Apple in the pre-iPhone days, starting back in 2004. It was 6-7 years old then and already considered a totally dead product, but my customers always got a huge kick out of it, and it worked quite well. I still have it and love bringing it to tech conferences now - it's an amazing device, and a powerful conversation starter!
That is pretty cool
I had the same configuration, and was an original MP2K owner. I travelled across Europe, using dialup and wireless modems from the device to access Internet. I would telnet back to my university for email!
The best use was wardriving with two wifi cards...these devices were wonderfully complete.
I had an uncle who had one of these when they first came out. Very few people had laptops back then and people were still playing the original Game Boy. For this thing to come out of nowhere was mindblowingly ahead of its time. It had a lot of cool ideas in the UI that no one else was doing. But as you said, the handwriting recognition wasn't that great so it quickly became more of a cool gimmick product than essential tech.
VERIFRIED
Missing those uploads 😢
Dude why no uploads anymore? You had a good thing going. I was wondering what happened to you.
I had one in the 90s. The handwriting recognition sucked, but a third party app called Graffiti (I think that was the name of it) came out, and it was a game changer. It actually made the Newton usable, although not in the way Apple conceived it to be. The company that made Graffiti eventually came out with the Palm Pilot, which basically took over the market at the time.
why haven't you uploaded in years?
The original Newton is one of my prized possessions... might have missed some marks, but pushed forward in so many ways. Ahead of its time!
all PDA's were crab
apple did a real good job here !
Way ahead of its time. I'm impressed by it's handwriting recognition.
@@lucasremI had an amazing Palm PDA as a kid that was also quite ahead of its time and had an early browser and even built in WiFi at a time that was barely a thing yet.
So no, all PDAs were not, in fact, crabs.
This brought up fond memories of using a 802.11b PCMCIA card in a laptop. It's hard to explain how magical (and unstable) Wi-Fi was at the time
My first wireless setup about 20 years back was a Netgear 54g router and PCMCIA card in an old Acer laptop. The range on it was garbage, but it was so cool at the time
Wait what… I still am running compatible hardware.
@@pkaulf Back then the company I worked for opted for cellular modems over wifi because of how trash those wifi adapters were.
Please get rid of Antrany.
You have kids linus.
You should know better.
I have a matched PCMCIA card and router from the late 90s early 00s if they need it for testing/reference/comparison. It was pretty magical.
Bear in mind that in 1997 you could also have bought a Psion Series 5 with a GSM adapter, and have had actually usable (if slow) mobile Internet, even on a cell network. And probably saved money too. The Newton died for very good reason.
See now this is the kind of quality we should expect from a video. And correcting the erroneous error in line with an audio correction, that's a boon to anyone listening but not watching the screen. Keep up the good work since recalibrating guys. ANd I hope the other fixes (which I won't mention directly but involve HR) are being properly addressed too.
I am sure this video was filmed weeks ago, before everything happened. But i agree about the new correction style. Hopefully they will keep doing it this way.
@@axel_is_gaming it was probably filmed on the “ week off “ they just took the time deal, play catch-up, and get more videos to put out
I had a Newton back in the day. They were actually useful, way ahead of their time.
dammnnn u olddd😭 but thats so cool mannn!!! lived such a cool part of the history n stuff thats hella cool.
@unholydonuts Jobs and Woznaik didn't come back to Apple until 1996. The Newton and Pippin NEARLY KILLED Apple. The Company was hit with a $4 Billion Dollar Deficit by 1996.
I love how common these early tablet/PDA devices are in the series "For All Mankind". DAT audio is another technology that appears to be commonplace in the alternate history of the series.
Actually a goated series
Love the show. I'm almost finished with season 2.
That's where I've discovered this one, great series too can't wait for next season.
Also it does help that For All Mankind is a series from Apple TV, otherwise I don't think they could get those old hardware to play with (or it would be very complicated and expensive for such a small thing in the series).
It also seems that the Newtons in the show also progressed further with the inclusion of better backlit LCD displays, as well as a detachable webcam that the Newtons in the show used for their version of FaceTime
And they make it better than real life, so, that give us an idea of how could it be if we had that tech back in the day :)
Honestly I'm really impressed with the Newton. I remember my dad giving me and my sister Palm Pilots in the early 2000s. We both had to learn that special shorthand type handwriting to type one letter at a time (I still remember A to E lol). I never imagined a device from 1997 having decent handwriting recognition.
I friend of mine in middle school had one (or his dad did and he regularly stole it and brought it to school), and I was super impressed with it at the time. I totally realized it wasn't a practical device yet, but the potential was there.
Even earlier, I worked on that thing in 1994.
What a unique video! As someone who was born in ‘90 I experienced all my youth group leaders having their PDAs back then. I remember being blown away that they could access the internet with something in their hand! It really has been amazing to watch technology the last 30 years. It’s magic.
Its crazy to think the newton was around so early apple was ahead of the curve and saw where tech was going a decade before the tech and world was ready for it.
There was actually plenty of portabla touch screen computers around ar that time. Like loads of them. The thing is that most of them run windows 2.0 that was auwfull, and windows 3.0 was typically a bit to heavy for those devices.
The first i know of came in 1990 and used a 8086 cpu that by that time was very powet efficent.
waffl
except the iphone was just a dumbed down clone of windows mobile.
See the MDA Compact 2, touch 2 pro and similar. Way more functionality than an iphone, and several years earlier. iPhone was only popular because it dumbed down the interface and went for heavily skewmorphic iconography so even idiots could figure out how to slide an unlocking pin across the front of the screen.
Its crazy to think that Anthony thinks he is a woman...
It wasn't particularly ahead of the curve the same year and in fact I believe it released a few months before the Newton was a device exactly the same by Amstrad called the PenPad a cheap electronics company, obvious not as polished and refined as the Apple but this was not ahead of the curve it was at the same point in the curve.
So happy they are now making correction edits after the original shoot day. Looks like this channel is getting back on track! Great work guys!
Was looking for someone mentioning this. Glad we basically have proof of them really taking their time
I don’t think you can congratulate them after 1 video plus there is a lot more serious issues to be addressed plus it’s just abit convenient that this video had to have the employee that’s a man with issues to show how caring they are pure bs
@@johnhowarth7216who is the man with issues?
@@johnhowarth7216 Gimme a break, dude. It's not that hard to just ignore the gender thing if you don't like it. It's still just another human being up there. Don't you agree?
@@johnhowarth7216 did you really just try to say they used someone as a token to show how open they are, you cant preach when you referred to them as "a man with issues" that was just rude and uncalled for.
Programming an app for the Newton was my first full time job… In 1994. I was actually impressed by the handwriting recognition(apparently the first generation). My cursive is terrible and it did pretty well. PS: Digital cellular phones were perfectly capable of displaying text quite early on. I remember, I have the same phone number since ~1992.
I really like these type of videos where Linus looks at a really weird/old thing and learns about it in real time. Similar to the ReactOS and TempleOS videos
Agreed
And guess who was behind Linus helping throught the whole thing: Emily!
@@tompov227why anger, please do not the angry
Who’s Emily?
Well Emily referenced in this video something that could definitely make an interesting video. GNU/Herd was supposed to be the big open source/free OS. Though it took too long and linux came about and won instead. It technically still exists but has extremely limited usage.
Love these old tech videos. As someone who actually owned a palm pilot, this brings make loads of “memories”
palm was crab, Newton was way way way better in the days !
Best PDA it was !
@@lucasremwow that's crazy bro but nobody asked
"There has never been a time when networking was good" is honestly the truest statement of all time.
It did get better but yeah lol
I'm so happy to see Emily back in front of the camera! What a fun video to return with!
@@euckb Not anymore, he now wants to be a woman. For me it's now hard to watch videos with him when he looks a lot different :/
@PietroSanta none of what you just said needed to be said .
@@FiredelSol So I can’t say my opinion?
@@PietroSanta I said it didn't NEED to be said . You CAN say what you want, but at least make an effort to correctly identify someone . I'm sure you're the type of person who only cares about people expressing their opinions when it's an opinion that aligns with your ideology anyway, so why don't you drop that act.
@@FiredelSolhe did correctly identify someone.
If I say I'm one sex you have to play along with my delusion and say I am that sex as well. 🖕
My dad's Newton was his old password manager for our home network that us kids were only allowed to use when he as out of town and needed access to something. Great to see it covered here!
Hmm, why wouldn't he bring it with him when he went out of town?
@@veryboringname. because at that time it was just for the home network and personal accounts so he didn't have any reason to bring it with.
The record scratch amendment was awesome, this is how it’s done. Keep it up
exactly right, glad to see them put their promises into action
Happy to see Emily again
The Newton is kinda hard to miss if you watch tech channels so you don't even have to be an Apple Fanboy.
It did have some qualities, but man... That dongle life, ALREADY!?
Also hi again Emily, the LTT video I rewatched most is, by far, the TempleOS one because of your in-depth explanations of the 'oddware' we're looking at. This is what you're best at, and it's awesome to see you back on the y'tube! :D.
Ant then; hi team! Still a little bit of tidying up to do in the comments but you're all doing a great job! They are mostly full of love and appreciation :).
You mean Anthony.
@@user-zd6wc1el4r Emily recently came out as a transwoman. Her chosen name is Emily. She has her own channel where she discusses this if you'd like to know more.
@@Theo-yy3hs You cannot change your gender. Anthony is now and will always be a biological male. He has XY chromosomes. He was presumably born with male genitalia. He is a man with gender dysphoria. I am not sure what is worse. A man with a mental illness, or other people calling him a her.
The eMate 300, essentially a laptop form factor Newton, is one of my favorite pieces of 90's tech. It had a similar aesthetic to the Mac G3 series, with transparent green or transparent orange plastic for the shell.
We had eMates in school that we were allowed to take home to type our projects on. And it connected to a printer via the old port that looks like PS/2 or S Video.
@@kevinfransen1255 it's the same serial port that the dongle on this one lets you get
That would be Apple Desktop Bus, their own proprietary serial connection sort of before USB.
@ no, ADB is the one that looks like the Svideo port, and only handles HID. The Geoport looked like a DIN9 plug in the modem/printer port of early macs and was standard RS422 iirc
Fun fact: it's also Apple's most recent touchscreen laptop.
Honestly a video on the General Magic line up would be great. The real predecessor products to the iPhone, considering one of the lead engineers designed the iPhone, and iPod before.
I have several General Magic devices in my collection, along with various books, accessories and supporting assets. They're amazing devices and you can really feel the first hints of the future we all live in now in them!
A fun romp through history, thanks for showing what your Newton could do. I recently rebuilt my original Messagepad and got it working again and it's a tough user experience, TBH. At the time it was magical though, I remember downloading free books and using it in a Kindle-esque fashion, and keeping my notes and calendar on it. I suppose I'll pull it off the shelf in honor of your video and try to write "hello" on it a few times.
Hope Emily sticks it out and drives the bigots away. We don't need or want them here. We like Emily. "We" being the true fans of the channel.
Whenever I see the name Emily in the subtitles I’m like”who’s Emily?” But as soon as I see Emily I remember that I love Emily. Hi Emily!
Emily is BACK and I wish she was in the thumbnail. She is the only reason I can sit through anything apple related.
"Its like trying to herd a cat." - that is a great summary of managing Linus when he is playing with tech.
A surprisingly great video! Actually impressive how much this was able to do so long ago and how there are still so many similarities in the modern versions!
I had an Apple Newton when I worked in Japan in 1996-1999, and have enjoyed all the frustrations that are included in this review. I eventually put it and all it's accessories in a box, where they remain to this day. Yes, I brought it home with me, it was worth a lot of money and I couldn't just dump it. I could never keep up with the scheduling speed that my team could achive working with a small paper based system! And I got so tired of them laughing at this bleeding edge tech was so bad. I stayed in paper systems (various) until the Blackberry entered the scene.
Love seeing Linus doing Retro Tech stuff!
And good to see Anthony back!
@@gleebeevonkordke2068 absolutely!
@@gleebeevonkordke2068she goes by emily now btw
@@gleebeevonkordke2068 Erm did you just deadname her?!? Bigot!1!1!1!1!1!1
Wonderful little way to introduce Emily into the video with the invite ❤
I thought that was the smoothest intro as well!
If you wanted cellular, that should work with the RTM8000. Bonus points for the unlettered version with a headset jack.
Shout out to Emily, nice to see you back!
Unironically this is incredible for the time. Almost jaw dropping.
In progress to the iPhone apple actually met with one of the palm clones (which all kind of came after this thing) that had cellular connectivity. The iPhone isn’t that different than a palm pilot, especially in its early iterations. I remember not being that blown away by the iPhone because I’d already played around with a bunch of these kind of handhelds and windows ce things, including a couple with cellular service. It wasn’t until they really became like another whole ass computer in your pocket with a decent camera and video that I really started to care (iPhone 4/5 era)
Remember when apple tried to pretend they invented the phone camera?
@@FrostyDeagz to be fair there were like a chunk of years there where most android phones was taking like serial killer level photos unless you were in direct sunlight. There were statistical studies on dating app profiles just based on phone type and it had everything to do with photo quality.
Handspring!
3gs
Yeah, I sold cell phones and electronics before, during and after android and iphone hit the market. windows ce palms were pretty good imo and I actually liked my blackberry's more than Iphone or android while the transition to smartphones was happening. If Blackberry had done better with the storm, and Microsoft had innovated mobile windows better/faster, we would possibly have a different landscape in the mobile market today.
I'm even older than Linus and remember lusting after a Newton. I thought they were the future. I bought a Palm Pilot though (I was skint!) and used it for about a fortnight before realising I didn't have a busy enough life to need a PDA...
Also, great to see Emily back in front of camera.
@@narkformost867 you're so cool narkformost867 /s
thats her name @@narkformost867
@@narkformost867 That's her name.
I was working at an Apple dealer when the Newton came out. We got a package of 10 Newtons and a demo unit with a point of sale display. I think we sold two. I liked them though!
It’s nice to see Emily again miss them in videos
Emily lol
@@PsRohrbaugh what's so funny? she's been going by emily for almost 4 months now. :/
edit: sorry didn't see that the original comment was edited
@@PsRohrbaugh sorry was just so happy to see them in a vid I rush commented
@@evelynharthbrooke no I put Amy instead of Emily first time I commented
@@evelynharthbrooke *He*
Love seeing Linus discover old technology
Emily has always been one of my favorite LTT hosts. I'm so glad to see her and I hope to see more of her in the future! Long time fan, here!
It's insane how advanced this was. Wow.
Emily: Ye it WAS really EXPENSIVE for the time 😂 still ripping on em classic!
@@mrmonsterz644 man whatever I'm just respecting a grown adults choice to be called what they want
I have one of these and it still runs! We used them in a pilot program in medical school (1997-2001) to see if they would work to take patient notes to make this process easier and more readable....since doctors have notoriously bad hand writing. (as in first attempts at EMRs in your hand) It was a bit too clunky to really catch on but we got to keep the newtons when the project was completed. My flash card is only 2MB and somewhere I have the modem card.... Was really cool at the time for those of us who loved new tech but couldn't afford it. Beaming notes to another newton actually worked well in our eyes, We could send notes to people across the room and no one would be the wiser!
Is anyone noticing Anthony ?
What’s up with those pony tail😂
She's transitioned, her name is Emily now.
@@davidjeffries9562 >she
It’s Emily now
My parents used to use one of these. If i remember correctly that's why they bought their first ipad, the newtons notes could be transferred and they still have some of the notes they made on the newton accessible today.
Glad to see Anthony back in a video, missed him
Fwiw, she goes by the name Emily now
Correction: Anthony with surgically removed balls and bloodstream pumped full of estrogen due to a mental disorder.
'My script says it's unobtainium, but you appear to have one.'
That's the Emily magic we've been missing!
man showing off the Airport Express as an old piece of tech.....I wish Apple never abandoned the airport line. They were so good for the time! Took the "it just works" motto seriously when most other routers were a pain in the butt. Plus being able to hook up a printer to the USB port or any audio to the headphone jack was so good.
my PowerBook G3 can still access wifi from way across the house 😱
SHE'S BACK❤
Emily didn't work there before
My father got a first gen one and i used it for sometime in 2012 for fun. The sylus was surprisingly good
Where has Anthony been!?!?
she goes by Emily now but she released a video about where she has been explaining it. th-cam.com/video/b-owBhLGaH4/w-d-xo.html
@@samthehacker93 she?
2:30 is when I instantly closed the video
How did you manage to close the video but still post this comment to out yourself as a bigot?
@@davidjeffries9562 you should inquiry your absent father about that
I still own 2 of these bricks. They were used by the medical first responders in my city for years. They had a whole workflow from first assessing the patient, put the diagnosis in and send it to the ER before the patient arrives by ambulance to have everything ready for treatment.
I am getting complete deja vu.
I SWEAR I have seen Linus hold a newton before. I SWEAR I remember him saying the exact same thing about how it sucked to actually write in.
I am a super fan and have watched nearly every LTT video (for better or for worse.) And I firmly believe he has made a video like this before.
Maybe it was a similar apple product that's just as old.
I was thinking the same exact thing. I'm wondering if they reshot the video after everything.
Wasn’t that like another PDA device from the same era? I got the same feeling too though.
sure it wasn't Dankpods or Ashens?
Maybe you just got DankPods vibes from it
I think it was Snazzy Labs or Dankpods
Fun facts, the Orinoco Card, is the same card that Apple rebranded "Airport" when they launched there WiFi compatible products, around 1999. There were cellular modems for the Newton and eMate that worked with the technologies at the time; but with the demise of RTT1x and EDGE/GPRS, no longer function in most of the world. The serial port adapter is actually a GeoPort (Apple's Modem and Printer ports), not ADB. There were ADB adapters, but this one, and the ones on the older devices were GeoPorts. This did mean they supported AppleTalk, and with the right adapters can connect to a LocalTalk network or Ethernet; and can connect to a serial or networked printer.
Awesome to see Emily on screen!
they did not use EDGE or GPRS !
802 only !
@@lucasrem Literally they had cellular cards, which are not 802.11.
You should do the first Symbian phone sometime - the Ericsson R380i - its quite a trip
Really glad to see Emily again in a video. Also really cool piece of history
Glad to see Emily back in a video
Emily jumpscare is the only jumpscare I look forward to
*anthony
I'm niether Linus's age nor am I an apple fan. I am a geek. So I only check one of the three boxes, but I did know about the Newton. This specific model came out the year I was born and someone in my family had bought one and it would find itself moving around different family members' houses. It ended up in houses across state lines and oceans even - as it ended up in my home in Florida, one uncle's home in Washington, another's in New Jersey, and got pushed around a couple of family members' homes in Puerto Rico. The cycle of re-gifting the thing around the family ended when I somehow ended up acquiring it in 2005 and instantly sold it in a garage sale to use the proceeds to buy a GameCube game - I don't remember which though. Lol.
i aint readin
al that
watching this on my steam deck makes me feel how far tech has come
I'm watching on my Samsung phone at 1080p on cell data with a Bluetooth headset that's not even on my ears, it vibrates on my head near my ears without blocking surrounding noise.
How times have changed.
It was nice to see Emily. Great video as well
Good to see the old tech guru return to the channel! Screw the haters
DoNt YoU mEaN GoDdEsS
This is just "Linus' ADHD: The Movie."
Love the correction format and letting Emily have more time to talk about her research! It's super clear that the correction is happening, even if not (initially) looking at the screen, and the way it flows with the rest of the video really works! Nice work on the process update team 🧡
I chucked one of those wireless cards down the stairs at a metal door in absolute frustration. It didn't fair well, but worked just as good pre-toss lol. It was spotty at best to connect to wifi.
Emily is back in front of the camera, hell yeah!!! Excited about the new content at LTT!!
Male
@@KMS_Admiral_Hippercan you put even less effort into an insult?
Love to see Emily back
"Its supposed to learn your writing over the course of weeks or months"
This is the fancy sales-talk way of saying that you will learn how to write in a way that this device can understand over the course of weeks or months
Emily is back yes
I remember those. I had to use one in a job I had back then. It was okay. I didn't find myself wanting to run out and get one myself though. It was like a Gameboy for trying to get work done rather than playing video games. The stylus features were fantastic. I wish that todays gadgets still all had the stylus holster and the pop out stand. Very useful.
I love that it used to play games. I never played games on the one I used as my boss wouldn't have gone along with that. Looks like from this video, I wouldn't have missed anything trying to play games on this thing.
I don't understand Jobs' disdain for the stylus. They are a wonderful thing because they keep your screen clean compared to our oily fingers and if you hold them right, they keep your hand out of the way. I hate using a touch screen without a stylus. You get the screen all oily even if you wash your hands frequently and your hand keeps getting in the way of what you are trying to see. I won't even play a touch screen game that requires me to use more than one touching object in order to play them. I also hate having to 'pinch' or 'spread' two fingers apart in order to zoom in or out on a game or other touch screen program. Just give me a pair of plus and minus zooming 'buttons' so I can use my stylus to operate them.
I love the stylus using touch screen on the DS line of consoles and wish that my phone had one like it. Good thing someone figured out how to make a capacitive touch screen recognize a stylus by putting a little rubber thing on the end of it. Now, if affordable phones and tablets only came with built in stylus holders like the Newton and the DS consoles did.
Ah the Apple Newton. I remember those digital planners. It is interesting to see some of the origins of how technology evolved over time. The IPHONE and Later Smartphone in general was such a revolution in how we used all of these digital devices. It brought together the Digital Camera, MP3 player, Video Player, GPS navigator, Digital Assistant, and of course Cell Phone into one device. Not even Star Trek thought of that. The Tri Corder was only meant for medical diagnosis, but the smartphone could probably be a base tech for even that.
This underwhelming PDA nearly KILLED Apple Computer, Inc.
Thanks Kane for helping!!! Excellent video LTT!!! I like the video/voice over for updates that were discovered after the initial video! It's nice to see your process improvements are working. Awesome Job!!!
I thought of the Simpsons right away when you were talking about the different ways we may have heard of it.
Also, Emily is back!
one of my favorite presenters is back!!!!!! Let's Go!!!!!!!
The Newton was VERY far ahead of its time. It's amazing for it's era.
It NEARLY killed Apple. They started bleeding money because of it.
Look, Anthony is back! This is exciting.
22:56 I'm guessing this is an example of the new way to add corrections? If so: Well done, this is way better than just some *text. Mistakes happen. When they do, please more of this! :)
That's really cool. Totally forgot about the Palm Pilot special characters to write in, and was also wondering if the cursive recognition on the Newton was an early form of machine learning, and indeed it was!
Are you sure that's not a Pokédex painted grey? 🤣
The Return of Emily AND the Apple Newton! We asked for it and, amazingly, we got it! Looking forward to more Emily and retro content.
great to be seeing emily in videos again ! missed her presence and personal taste in retro computing
This!
New channel/series idea: Retro Tech with Emily
Great idea. Put the spotlight even more on a mentaly instable person
Emily!!!!!!!!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤ 🤗
My exact reaction, and I’m not exaggerating. I cheered haha
@snjert8406 for real I miss seeing her all the time
Fun fact, that Airport Express audio jack not only supports 3.5mm cables but 3.5mm Optical cables as well.
Welcome back, Anthony!
Emily*
@@haxie4516 ywnbaw
@@haxie4516 ???
@@khairulanam7777
She goes by Emily now. She's transitioning and changed her name.
0:21 for those wondering, that knife striking the apple is the Civivi Praxis with a Damascus steel blade and rubbed copper scales (handle). You're welcome 😉
The way Anthony pitches his voice only sometimes is so weird.
The way Emily pitches her voice.
@@BoomBoomBruceyno Anthony
"there has never been a time where networking was good" that's a t-shirt quote over there
Great video! I was happy to see a short explanation instead of just text on the screen to explain something, especially since I often have your videos playing in the background while doing other tasks.
emily's pop up correction shot after the fact is leagues better than the old asterisk on screen. corrections like this should definitely stick around.
You will never be a AMD cpu in a Intel socket
and don't try cutting your pins off
An AM4 will never become a real AM5 no matter how many pins you chop off!
Maybe he overclocked too hard
Steven Seagal used this device in his "Die hard on a train" movie (Under Siege 2). He used it to try and send information to the military about what the bad guys were up to. I think he hooked it up to a phone (without using a PCMCIA card).