Ol Troy getting him a decent amount of sponsors! Hell yeah man, that means the message is really getting out there in my opinion. Happy for you man, you're getting people on the right track!
The message has been out there my guy. Look at the bone collector guys, red arrow etc. They've been shooting inserts for years but never talk about it.
@@Heavy_Arrow312 it ain't just about inserts. It's the entire package. And of course he's not the only one, but that don't mean he's not making a big splash. I'm just showing support bud
@mikeguy9668 my comment came off completely the wrong way....I'm glad to see Troy get his as well, because all these big name guys have been for years, and Noone talks about it.
I bought a generic version of this to use in my basement. Best 30$ I've spent in my entire bow hunting journey. No more rushing home and fighting daylight hours to shoot
I am beginning the process today. Sent a pm via FB messenger just now as I didn't see your email in a cursory search just now. If you're still taking emails I can copy and past my messenger post for you. Too boring and lame to put up here. ;-) Thanks for all the hard work on this. Loving it!
I prefer you get to go hunting for Nilghai, but would really like to see you get to shoot TAC with your friends and fellow TH-camr's. I started and continue to do archery mainly for hunting, but I do really enjoy 3D and target events in the offseason. I don't see you making TAC events and 3D shoots your norm afterwards, but I do think you will enjoy the experience and if anything get to say you tried it. The paper tuner is awesome, bought mine last year and it is a lot easier than a stand style tuner or ladder. I use it as a starting point, but still work my way out to bareshaft at distance, especially for broadheads. Glad to see it picking up some traction and it is definitely a product worth promoting.
I promise 3-D won't be my thing. It's not my deal. But TAC is excellent for the archery and bowhunting world. Probably gonna shoot with my friends and subscribers. I'll let the cool guy you tubers make their own noise.
I shot my 650 grain hunting arrow at TAC and shot every target at distance. My sight tape was spot on until about 60. Then I had to start adding yards on the dial. It may be because I also had 4 fletch 2 degree helical vanes. Once I figured that out it was no problem to hit foam on any target. I also used the RMEF course to practice with my EZ V. I have taken 3 elk with the V so I’m starting to think it works for me.
I turkey hunt and fish at the same time. Hit the turkey call, nothing answers, keep fishing. Last year the white bass run was so amazing, I almost forgot to hit the turkey call, almost.
10:24, careful with your tongue lest you get an stabilizers sponsor later on 😂😂 just like with the paper tuning "boring" of an older video😂😂😂😂 Great fun videos btw!
I think every bow setup has its own peak efficiency for weight to trajectory. For example, from 350 grains to about 470 grains i get a lot of difference in drop out to 70 yards. But then from 470 to 550 my difference in drop between the arrows is very minimal. Then to 650 or 700 it drops significantly. So i think that around the 550 grains taw range is the most efficient for my bow.
I've see the same thing. Then I consulted some aerodynamics engineers. Not structural or mechanical or any "pretendgeneers" Aerodynamics engineers. What you are seeing (and everyone will) is VERY VERY likely aerodynamic drag. The very light projectiles have lower mass and higher velocity. In the drag equation, velocity is squared. NOT DOUBLED - squared. To go faster, we give up mass. Square the drag and take away mass, drag goes up and eats the projectile as it goes downrange. The 550 "or so" arrow seems (anecdotal - working on this) to be the middle ground for lower drag, a bit more mass to push against the atmosphere, and lower velocity Which is still squared. So, it's less drag, squared. but increased mass to push against the atmosphere.
You know Troy I hate you! Lmfao jk since I been getting hunt ready and I have been spine indexing my crossbow bolts I think if I can’t get them to group well I am going to bare shaft paper tune too. Great video as always. Thanks for helping out with archers to make them better if they so choose to listen.
Where should fletching be placed? Looking if move it forward or back makes any real difference. Currently building arrows for the new magnus single bevel heads.
I’m not saying it’s wrong to get the best aero flight that you can but that is after assuming that your bow is shooting perfect and in theory you should get a bullet hole through paper if your bow is tune correctly with the same variety of arrows that you have in your kit
@@ryanklein7573 I’ve not been able to replicate the “all arrows should fly” thing I tried before I put the kits out there. Because if that is true - then no one needs a test kit. In fact I’ve barely shaft nock tuned 200 grain points on my arrows and went to 250 and 300 grain. It’s close but nock tuning to the new point mass was required I also have 2 bows with SET systems (elite) So I can tweak the bow when I get under 1/2” tears (always bare shaft if you’re talking to me) When I changed the point mass - or arrow spine - had to start over
I have a question. This channel is dominated by compound shooters, I am not sure if the fact that I am using the recurve makes any difference when it comes to the arrow build. Assuming that I tune the arrow perfectly, what is "better or best" combination: 1. 50 grain insert and 250 gr broadhead 2. 100 in 200 b 3. 150 and 150 4. 200 and 100 5. Something else I currently have 200 and 250 single bevel cutthroat broadheads, but I can buy other weights if that would be "better". Thanks in advance.
See my traditional bare shaft process video. That's the optimal way to get perfect arrow flight with trad. I spent 10 years with a longbow in hand and when I used that method, ZOWIE my arrow flight was fantastic.
I shoot Saturday at 9 am. I'll be around all day and may shoot a second time. If you see me say hello. I only bite on Saturdays. Maybe we go break some arrows too.
Has anyone found that with high tolerance arrows you can nock tune and then fletc, put a broadhead on and it fly funny? My thought is that the broadhead exposes the true tune. I don’t bear shaft tune anymore because of it. I’ve cut fletchings off and they’re still tuned
@@quintenbullard2921 Nope! I haven’t found this to be true. However - if it happened to you. What did you do to resolve it? Maybe I can pass the information on or find a new way to do this!
@@RanchFairy I fletch and nock tune to broadheads. I may just need to be more particular bare shaft tuning. I just don’t trust that I shoot well enough. If I get under 1/4 and 15 yards I call that good. Or I may need to change distance .
Your vanes are having to work harder to correct a bad shot with more point weight that why your 200s aren’t shooting as good as the 150s. I was shooting 150grains on my 3D arrows and dropped it to 120grains and the group got way tighter at 60yards
So it wasn't More "open groups". It was critical on the vertical plane. The 200 actually behaves better in the wind. So I'm still pondering. It might be windy!!!
You should've went down to 400 grains TAW or even less. You will want to be able to shoot 120 yards at TAC. Your arrow is still stupid heavy for an event like this. It's not as fun if you can't shoot all the targets. Why you scared to shoot past 80 Troy?
Well, Im not gonna shoot 120 yard courses. So, as a grown ass man, I can decide not to do that - right? I am not putting in the time to get out that far and become moderately efficient. (it's big speckled trout and bass time which will preoccupy me for weeks) NOW, AS NOTED. My arrows are built around aerodynamic principles. They are 100 grains lighter than my hunting arrows (also built around aerodynamic principles). I did say that. For those who want to shoot longer than 80, I think that is awesome. TAC is great for archery and every one can do what they like. Ya good with that?
I don’t understand your kits on tuning an arrow to the bow that’s wrong if you have arrows that are flying sideways in a sense out of your bow your bleeding energy very bad just because you put some heavy point and a arrow spine with a deflection little look like it’s flying straight after it corrects the flight doesn’t mean that your bow or arrow for that matter is tuned it’s just hiding a problem
Before you all start flinging around ADULT arrows watch/listen to the Nock-On and Podium archery episodes with Troy. He is on his back foot much of the time. Dudley and MFJJ are also very respectful and patient. Troy could take a lesson from them as his condescending sarcastic attitude gets very tiring. It's too bad because some of what he espouses is accurate....especially when he says 90% of the equation is the broadhead!
Except is Dudley episode was pretty much Dudley saying since you aren’t a pro shooter your opinion doesn’t matter. John contradicted himself so much and refused to acknowledge it. Troy was on “his back foot” because he didn’t want to argue the entire time with him. It’s funny cause the same people who say that it’s all about shot placement are the same people who say that they shoot a mechanical just in case they hit them back. No different than Troy saying he uses a sb just in case he hits the shoulder. But only one side gets attacked for it. It really should be the other way around since the stomach/liver/gut area is FAR less lethal than, ya know, the TOP OF THE HEART! Oh yeah, and running on 3 legs doesn’t hurt either.
good old ranch diverseafairy...get it?. still can barely get 60 yards from his sight. And still cant hold groups past 30 yards. ah i digress. i could keep going on but i wont because he is on the front line of an invasion.😂
If you really want to see how perfect your bare shaft flight is do a walk back tune out to 40 or 50 and watch how far right you drift. oh ya i almost forgot to ask you do you still think your living in America? @@RanchFairy
@@Crazyhaywire You need to do this and post it for us. I actually like learning new things. Please let me know when you post it and I'll use your process. I don't know everything, so always willing to learn.
Ol Troy getting him a decent amount of sponsors! Hell yeah man, that means the message is really getting out there in my opinion. Happy for you man, you're getting people on the right track!
The message has been out there my guy. Look at the bone collector guys, red arrow etc. They've been shooting inserts for years but never talk about it.
@@Heavy_Arrow312 it ain't just about inserts. It's the entire package. And of course he's not the only one, but that don't mean he's not making a big splash. I'm just showing support bud
@mikeguy9668 my comment came off completely the wrong way....I'm glad to see Troy get his as well, because all these big name guys have been for years, and Noone talks about it.
@@Heavy_Arrow312 no problem. It's easy to come off different than you meant to in text
Gas money! Haha😉👍
Good to see that you re-shot them again to verify. I was writing a comment to ask about that before it got to that segment. 😆
I built my own. Out of wood. Staple paper to it and done.
The most helpful thing I see about the papertuner is the tips on the sides. I'd love to see them come out with one for the crossbow shooters.
You can rotate nocks on X bow but I don't think they have cam lean or any of that.
I bought a generic version of this to use in my basement. Best 30$ I've spent in my entire bow hunting journey. No more rushing home and fighting daylight hours to shoot
I am beginning the process today. Sent a pm via FB messenger just now as I didn't see your email in a cursory search just now. If you're still taking emails I can copy and past my messenger post for you. Too boring and lame to put up here. ;-) Thanks for all the hard work on this. Loving it!
Did I answer?
If not - troy@ranchfairy.com
I prefer you get to go hunting for Nilghai, but would really like to see you get to shoot TAC with your friends and fellow TH-camr's. I started and continue to do archery mainly for hunting, but I do really enjoy 3D and target events in the offseason. I don't see you making TAC events and 3D shoots your norm afterwards, but I do think you will enjoy the experience and if anything get to say you tried it.
The paper tuner is awesome, bought mine last year and it is a lot easier than a stand style tuner or ladder. I use it as a starting point, but still work my way out to bareshaft at distance, especially for broadheads. Glad to see it picking up some traction and it is definitely a product worth promoting.
I promise 3-D won't be my thing.
It's not my deal. But TAC is excellent for the archery and bowhunting world.
Probably gonna shoot with my friends and subscribers. I'll let the cool guy you tubers make their own noise.
I shot my 650 grain hunting arrow at TAC and shot every target at distance. My sight tape was spot on until about 60. Then I had to start adding yards on the dial. It may be because I also had 4 fletch 2 degree helical vanes. Once I figured that out it was no problem to hit foam on any target. I also used the RMEF course to practice with my EZ V. I have taken 3 elk with the V so I’m starting to think it works for me.
I’ll see you out there!
Stop me and say hello. I only bite when its necessary.
Another brilliant video thank you very much.👏👏🇺🇲👍🇬🇧
I turkey hunt and fish at the same time. Hit the turkey call, nothing answers, keep fishing. Last year the white bass run was so amazing, I almost forgot to hit the turkey call, almost.
Thank You Ranch Fairy!
Christ bless!
10:24, careful with your tongue lest you get an stabilizers sponsor later on 😂😂 just like with the paper tuning "boring" of an older video😂😂😂😂 Great fun videos btw!
It reminds me of what a 2 dollar roll of craft paper and a couple clamps can do....
I think every bow setup has its own peak efficiency for weight to trajectory. For example, from 350 grains to about 470 grains i get a lot of difference in drop out to 70 yards. But then from 470 to 550 my difference in drop between the arrows is very minimal. Then to 650 or 700 it drops significantly. So i think that around the 550 grains taw range is the most efficient for my bow.
I've see the same thing. Then I consulted some aerodynamics engineers.
Not structural or mechanical or any "pretendgeneers"
Aerodynamics engineers.
What you are seeing (and everyone will) is VERY VERY likely aerodynamic drag.
The very light projectiles have lower mass and higher velocity. In the drag equation, velocity is squared. NOT DOUBLED - squared.
To go faster, we give up mass. Square the drag and take away mass, drag goes up and eats the projectile as it goes downrange.
The 550 "or so" arrow seems (anecdotal - working on this) to be the middle ground for lower drag, a bit more mass to push against the atmosphere, and lower velocity
Which is still squared.
So, it's less drag, squared. but increased mass to push against the atmosphere.
Great idea
Thank u ranch fairy
You know Troy I hate you! Lmfao jk since I been getting hunt ready and I have been spine indexing my crossbow bolts I think if I can’t get them to group well I am going to bare shaft paper tune too.
Great video as always. Thanks for helping out with archers to make them better if they so choose to listen.
I thought in your older paper tuning videos you were saying to stand closer to the paper? Great video as always
7 yards or so.
Great stuff
How many hogs do you take off of the landscape vs. let walk?
Not enough to even make a difference.
Where should fletching be placed? Looking if move it forward or back makes any real difference. Currently building arrows for the new magnus single bevel heads.
I put them just forward enough that it won't touch my face.
I’m not saying it’s wrong to get the best aero flight that you can but that is after assuming that your bow is shooting perfect and in theory you should get a bullet hole through paper if your bow is tune correctly with the same variety of arrows that you have in your kit
@@ryanklein7573
I’ve not been able to replicate the “all arrows should fly” thing
I tried before I put the kits out there. Because if that is true - then no one needs a test kit.
In fact I’ve barely shaft nock tuned 200 grain points on my arrows and went to 250 and 300 grain. It’s close but nock tuning to the new point mass was required
I also have 2 bows with SET systems (elite)
So I can tweak the bow when I get under 1/2” tears (always bare shaft if you’re talking to me)
When I changed the point mass - or arrow spine - had to start over
I have a question. This channel is dominated by compound shooters, I am not sure if the fact that I am using the recurve makes any difference when it comes to the arrow build. Assuming that I tune the arrow perfectly, what is "better or best" combination:
1. 50 grain insert and 250 gr broadhead
2. 100 in 200 b
3. 150 and 150
4. 200 and 100
5. Something else
I currently have 200 and 250 single bevel cutthroat broadheads, but I can buy other weights if that would be "better". Thanks in advance.
See my traditional bare shaft process video. That's the optimal way to get perfect arrow flight with trad. I spent 10 years with a longbow in hand and when I used that method, ZOWIE my arrow flight was fantastic.
New bow?
😉👍
That's true. Bow hunting is seasonal, and fishing is year-round. But... we can go bowfishing😅😂
How far are you away from the target? Will you go up on tip weight or stay at the current weight on the arrow after the bullet hole.
I can get 150 and 200 to bullet hole. Haven't decided because the 200 does better in the wind.
7 yards from paper.
What day are you going to TAC San Antonio?
I shoot Saturday at 9 am. I'll be around all day and may shoot a second time. If you see me say hello. I only bite on Saturdays.
Maybe we go break some arrows too.
What is your bow & setup?
65# / 29" Elite Remedy
Hey Troy go down to 100gr point an you can shoot an additional 100 yards 😂
Has anyone found that with high tolerance arrows you can nock tune and then fletc, put a broadhead on and it fly funny? My thought is that the broadhead exposes the true tune. I don’t bear shaft tune anymore because of it. I’ve cut fletchings off and they’re still tuned
@@quintenbullard2921
Spine
@@quintenbullard2921
Nope! I haven’t found this to be true.
However - if it happened to you. What did you do to resolve it?
Maybe I can pass the information on or find a new way to do this!
@@RanchFairy I fletch and nock tune to broadheads. I may just need to be more particular bare shaft tuning. I just don’t trust that I shoot well enough. If I get under 1/4 and 15 yards I call that good. Or I may need to change distance .
@@RanchFairy I shoot 250s with 75 grain inserts and 200 broadheads. 70 lbs @ 28.5” arrow
Overall weight 575
Have you ever been fly fishing?
The last thing I need is another rabbit hole hobby. I’d be divorced and in rehab
💪🏽🇺🇸🏹
Your vanes are having to work harder to correct a bad shot with more point weight that why your 200s aren’t shooting as good as the 150s. I was shooting 150grains on my 3D arrows and dropped it to 120grains and the group got way tighter at 60yards
So it wasn't More "open groups". It was critical on the vertical plane.
The 200 actually behaves better in the wind.
So I'm still pondering. It might be windy!!!
@@RanchFairy the group went from a 6” group to a 3” group at 60yard.
Im listening!! Gonna give it a rip and see.@@Texaslivinoutdoors
@@RanchFairy try 150-175grains total front weight, points and insert.
Still tinkering. The wind may blow.....so I am testing it on windy days. @@Texaslivinoutdoors
You’re gonna hate this, but for Tac you’ll be better with a high left tear.
Well now I gotta ask….why?
You should've went down to 400 grains TAW or even less. You will want to be able to shoot 120 yards at TAC. Your arrow is still stupid heavy for an event like this.
It's not as fun if you can't shoot all the targets. Why you scared to shoot past 80 Troy?
Well, Im not gonna shoot 120 yard courses. So, as a grown ass man, I can decide not to do that - right?
I am not putting in the time to get out that far and become moderately efficient. (it's big speckled trout and bass time which will preoccupy me for weeks)
NOW, AS NOTED. My arrows are built around aerodynamic principles. They are 100 grains lighter than my hunting arrows (also built around aerodynamic principles).
I did say that.
For those who want to shoot longer than 80, I think that is awesome. TAC is great for archery and every one can do what they like.
Ya good with that?
Because he don't want too
I’ve tuned shooting through a ladder before😂
I feel like my shooting is more repeatable not having a suprise release lol
We can be friends.
Until you can't put your pin on the bullseye anymore.
This happened to me and many others 😟.
I don’t understand your kits on tuning an arrow to the bow that’s wrong if you have arrows that are flying sideways in a sense out of your bow your bleeding energy very bad just because you put some heavy point and a arrow spine with a deflection little look like it’s flying straight after it corrects the flight doesn’t mean that your bow or arrow for that matter is tuned it’s just hiding a problem
could they have possibly over complicated that tuning system anymore 🤣🎯
Before you all start flinging around ADULT arrows watch/listen to the Nock-On and Podium archery episodes with Troy. He is on his back foot much of the time. Dudley and MFJJ are also very respectful and patient. Troy could take a lesson from them as his condescending sarcastic attitude gets very tiring. It's too bad because some of what he espouses is accurate....especially when he says 90% of the equation is the broadhead!
Except is Dudley episode was pretty much Dudley saying since you aren’t a pro shooter your opinion doesn’t matter. John contradicted himself so much and refused to acknowledge it. Troy was on “his back foot” because he didn’t want to argue the entire time with him. It’s funny cause the same people who say that it’s all about shot placement are the same people who say that they shoot a mechanical just in case they hit them back. No different than Troy saying he uses a sb just in case he hits the shoulder. But only one side gets attacked for it. It really should be the other way around since the stomach/liver/gut area is FAR less lethal than, ya know, the TOP OF THE HEART! Oh yeah, and running on 3 legs doesn’t hurt either.
@@Tyler_Lyonsso weird that so many people are just looking to discredit the scientific evidence of high foc and Troy.
Try a 100 grain point.
good old ranch diverseafairy...get it?. still can barely get 60 yards from his sight. And still cant hold groups past 30 yards. ah i digress. i could keep going on but i wont because he is on the front line of an invasion.😂
No idea how any of this arbitrary comment has anything to do with absolutely perfect bare shaft flight.
If you really want to see how perfect your bare shaft flight is do a walk back tune out to 40 or 50 and watch how far right you drift. oh ya i almost forgot to ask you do you still think your living in America? @@RanchFairy
@@Crazyhaywire You need to do this and post it for us. I actually like learning new things. Please let me know when you post it and I'll use your process. I don't know everything, so always willing to learn.