Rye Sourdough from Start to Finish | Proof Bread
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- While wheat flour is very popular in U.S. bread production, we've been experimenting with incorporating other grains into our sourdough. Rye is a grass grown primarily as a grain. It is closely related to both wheat and barley but very different in flavor and texture. When used as a flour, there are certain considerations that make rye particularly unique in sourdough.
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Thanks for taking the time to walk us through the journey. You are the antithesis to the current Shorts trend, which lead people to expect instant gratification for everything
yes, quite interesting, I remember queuing for bread for 8 hours just before Christmas of 1981 with tanks on the streets, nothing in the shops. My husband frantic that I was arrested or worse, looking for me in the dark streets of a city north East of Poland. There was a small bakery 1km away from our apartment block that baked 100% rye bread. I managed to get 4 loaves, supplied the whole family. It was the best Christmas present they received that year. Peace to all my heart goes to those south east of Poland.
People complain bitterly about minuscule things. Your memory sounds like a time that was stressful but the most simplest thing brought so much joy.
I am from Poland living in UK for 18 years always missing taste of bread from my childhood in seventies and eighties. First lockdown and also your videos inspired me to start baking sourdough bread and currently will be starting third 25 kg bag of great Ukrainian wheat flour! Another bread in the fridge ready for baking tomorrow morning and always feeling the same excitement ☺️ It's amazing that you took inspiration from Poland! Best regards and thank you for your videos!
I enjoyed the story of your childhood food experience and that you've taken it upon yourself to bring that history up to your present. Inspirational.
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i'm from germany and we use a lot of rye here in our bread since back in time we couldn't really grow wheat, i'm doing an apprenticeship as a baker right now so it's really nice to learn what people are doing outside of germany!
In many German bakeries it's not even possible to get bread without any rye in it. Ever since I bake my own bread I am checking the ingridients of breads in German bakeries and grocery stores more carefully. And it's most common to have either a rye-dominant bread or at least a lower ratio of rye in it. One of our local bakeries is even using a little rye in their classic French baguettes which I was trying to discuss with them recently. :D In another bakery I asked for a wheat based bread with no rye and the only option was a pure Toast/Weißbrot.
Also interesting to note is the rye/wheat border in the South of Switzerland where the German influenced area is bordering with the Italian culture.
I don't I also find it a bit annoying, I get a notification and there is no video
@@sulgi82 yeah totally, we only sell bread which has some rye in it except the Weißbrot, starting with the sourdough, it’ll always contain rye just because we make our sourdough with rye. And the french baguette thing has mostly to do with the flour they got in France cause Germany doesn’t have the same white flour, so you mix it with other flour to get close to the original, that was what I was told. In our bakery, we use part type 550 and part type 1050 wheat flour to get close to the french one.
@@hideyoshinagachika3360 Thanks for the insights. At home I have only tried my baguettes with 550 type flour so far. I just received a T65 flour test package from a French mill, waiting to be used for baguettes. Curious to see if I will notice any big difference in taste.
@@sulgi82 if you notice anything, let me know, I’m keen on learning new things!
Listening to you reminds me of sitting in university classes listening to a professor who was passionate about what they taught. You are such a trove of knowledge, thank you for doing these videos
In Poland, we use fat of animal origin for glutinous dough, e.g.: lard; add 2 tablespoons. The dough will be better mixed in a bowl.
I use full 120gr full fat yoghurt, the first rise is slower, the second one as fast is normally
Estonia we too have blackbread, 100% Rye, amazing stuff, they say all estonian families have some sort of rye traditional recipe, and i ask my family they dont have and neighbors too no have, so i said to myself i need to revive that tradition.
Mixing the rye with scalding water allows you to double hydration and softens the berry so it doesn't cut into the gluten when incorporating into whole wheat dough later. But weight till it cools below 130 before incorporating with sourdough starter. Impressive, and thanks for all the tips!
I will try this, I thought scalding the flour only helped with flavour, not gluten development. I make a 50% white wheat flour/50% whole wheat rye flour, I'll try scalding that rye before mixing the dough.
I came across a wonderful rye bread recipe, the smell and taste is amazing. ( the best thing about it here where I live, is that no one bakes that particular sourdough rye bread, so I'm putting it out in the next farmers' market.)😉 ❤
When you begin to explore various versions of "Rye" breads, I would highly recommend that you try the dark sour rye's that you find in Germany and in the Scandinavian regions. It is a robust flavour that is intense and delicious and more dense that any wheat based bread. Love your videos.
Thanks for starting home baker sessions. Having recipes in batch sizes I can reproduce is terrific.
i can tell i’m OCD. All i could think about when he was ready to bake was “ WHERE IS THE THIRD LOAF!? Anyway this guy is THE BEST for learning all things sourdough. And I’ve watched more bakers than i can remember. This guy is the top.
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I just LOVE your passion for bread!!!
I am actually going to be shopping at your bakery soon. I'm traveling and specifically am putting YOUR SHOP in my itinerary!! I can hardly wait to taste your incredible creations!
That crust looks amazing! I love your passion and commitment to baking, grains, and the whole process. I enjoy all your videos. 💜
I switched to grinding my own grains about 18 months ago and absolutely love it. Soakers and scalds are a must to get the best texture and flavor.
I love this video so much. I’ve been working on a sourdough rye . I think the scald is going to be a game changer. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge.
Great video as always! As a German I love bread with Rye Flour and as someone who bakes sourdough at home I kicked this off this morning - can't wait for the outcome, thanks for sharing the recipe!
The time and energy that you take to share your knowledge is so appreciated, Jon. . . Thank you for taking us on your sourdough journey ♥️
Yes, Jon, thank you so much for sharing your love of bread baking, techniques and encouragement with all of us. Every video I have watched from your channel have been educational and enjoyable.
Have watched a few videos from this channel and then out of the blue you talk about how you started up. Even watching you I can see the passion you have for the bread for the yeast for the customers. All of it. Seems like you might have gone through a trial by fire but you are so keen. There was no way you were going to fail!
Greetings from Poland! Nice to hear our breadmaking history inspired you. Can I ask where exactly in Poland did you eat the bread? Unfortunately, it is hard to find REAL sourdough bread these days. That's why I started making my own. Love to watch your videos and improve my own skills in home sourdough bread. Take care and let the bread business roll!
That's true. Hard to find real sourdough, but if you can bake it at home it's great.
Well done for starting baking your own.
My family lives in Międzybrodzię Bialskie which contains a small store that carried some nice authentic sourdough, at least up until the last time I was personally there…5 years ago. Real bread is hard to find the world over, but it starts with folks that simply want to make it happen.
I was born in Poland, came to the US as a 4 year old. Now that all my family is deceased I long for the food my parents made. Now I’m 62 years old and I just started making wheat/ rye bread with sourdough starter. Also making fermented sauerkraut. Funny how this happens as you age, I did not like polish food as a youngster only American food. Not the case anymore.🤣
Nice! That's what I'm baking for a last couple of years. Adding rye at about 15-20% of total flour. This brings the unique flavor while keeping gluten high to make it easier to work and let the loaf rise. On a side note - most of my last year improvements are because of your advices! Huge thanks!!!
I was watching this vid when you mentioned alternatives to not having access to rice flour. White or brown rice flour is incredibly easy to make. I didn't want to pay for rice flour to dust my banneton when I can make it for almost nothing, just the cost of the rice. Rinse the rice to remove any talc etc. Cook as usual, I use my instant pot. Rinse again with cold tap water to remove starch until water runs clear. Drain well. Freeze 24 hrs, this is an important step, it separates the grains. Dehydrate until completely dry, I use my dehydrator but you can find how to dehydrate in your oven on the internet. Then just fine grind in a food processor or coffee bean grinder that has been thoroughly cleaned - unless you want your bread to smell like coffee, cleaned herb grinder etc. Voila ! All the rice flour you want.
It can be stored in any dry container.
I made this recipe over the weekend and turned out great. For my scald I used both rye and English malted crystal rye. My Famag spiral mixer was just the thing for these dough. I've made a number of whole ryes especially in winter, but we really liked the mix of Type 85 + the rye scald. I know in Germany they often do a Rye and Spelt bread with various seeds.
Was a newer baker, I am getting back into bread making, I have been looking for a good step by step rye recipe. This is a great video. Thanks so much.
Amazing content! Appreciate so much all stories which goes behind the main topic!!! Thanks a lot! ❤
Another great video. Thank you for all your hard work.
Looks great! I wish you had included the recipe in the text below the video.
What an incredibly informative and interesting video. Well done!
Beautiful. These tutorials are priceless. Thank you
Hello from Sunshine Coast, BC, Canada. I have been experimenting different breads. You are right, sometimes they don’t look perfect but the taste is awesome every time.
I wish I was as passionate about ANYTHING as Jon is about his craft.
Scalding the rye is important because of the ergot fungus that will grow on the rye kernels during a wet year. So you kill the ergot by scalding, rather than propagating it in your dough, and you gelatinize the rye as well while reducing the impact of the bran as well. When you see a scald, you are probably looking at a recipe with old ancestry, although today folks like the gelatinizing effects. Much European wheat is rye in part from seed saving over centuries as they had no way of getting rid of the rye to separate it from the wheat. So much bread in France from local wheat has a significant percentage of rye. Most folks actually will prefer 5% to 10% rye in a wheat bread but could not tell you why.
I haven't scalded my Einkorn berries but think I should start. Going to try it
I didn’t find any indication that the boiling water decompose the ergotamine, the noxioux substances of the ergot. So boiling the rye flour doesn’t make it less dangerous as food. The only thing that helps is to purchase the grain or flour from modern mills that have detection system for the ergot.
@@Adrian-ww2jj It is not about decomposition, but a protection against breeding more of it in the warm wet mix.
@@geezerdude4873 As far as I know the ergot fungi grows on the rye plant, and even if it don’t spread during the bread preparation it remains extremely nocive. As far as I understand, the ergot fungi is not like the yeast, who develops in the bread preparation process, but it is a parasite of the rye plant. After all during the baking the dough is over 194 °F (90 °C) hot, so according to your assumptions the ergot after baking should no longer be dangerous, which is not the case.
@@Adrian-ww2jj Ergot is a mold which you can favor the growth of with water and warmth. You do not want to grow more of it. This can be a life or death issue that traditional people understood. So you sterilize and then add yeast.
Thanks for being such an amazing teacher and sharing your knowledge and secrets
If, I only could follow a recipe! I don't understand myself, even when I strictly decide to follow a recipe, something happens, and I change something in the recipe. I say that, because I really enjoyed your video. As I am rather a hint home baker and not a recipe baker, I liked both the content and the lay-out of this video. A real professional baker goes through the whole process and gives much more information, than what is required. I try my best next time to make this bread, thank you.
I have been working with the grains for over a year and have tried many things but never a scald. Woah, the bread turned out amazing! I followed your instructions with the rye and the result was amazing. I am going to try other grains now and see what happens.
Very informative video. Subscribed. Yes, to the addition of discard recipes!. Thank you.
Super great video. Perfect. Thanks. 🙂
i have used your recipe for this rye bread and i use your proof flour and it come out amazing and so flavor full and smells fabulous my family loves it. Thank you for sharing your talent and skills.
Hi there. Can you share the recipe for two loaves? I would really appreciate it. Thank you.
I love your channel, thank you so much
I have been following your videos for about 18 months. I really liked this one. I was not familiar with the scalding of the rye flour. I wrote down the entire recipe as you spoke it. I think I will divide it into thirds and give it a try. My starter is not Harriet. Mine, named Audrey 4, is a 1:4.5:5 ratio. I got the very beginnings from a bakery here in Denver, Rebel Bakery. It creates a wonderfully sour rye bread from another recipe that I use. For your customers, glad you are initiating them to the rye flavors.
Hello Jon, Just made your Rye bread today 6/18/22 LOVE this loaf, great texture, Great Crumb, not a thick crust, Its a Keeper, as your question about the Dough ridding up the hook I have a 7 qt and it does not do that, what most of my breads do is just stay on the bottom of the bowl. Hope some day to get to AZ to check out your bakery, Been a Fan of you page and look forward to seeing more of your video's
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Thank you.you are an amazing so much information love your video's the bread looks delicious. I wish I had a slice I will try to make it.take care.wishing you the best.
I made this bread and it came out amazing ❤️ thank you!!
Hi there. Can you please share the recipe for two loaves? I will reall appreciate it. 🙏🏼
@@fndr82 just multiple this recipe by 0.66 and you will have your 2 loaves
Thanks, John, for making this great tutorial. I'm going to make a third of this recipe since I don't have a mixer. I don't have access to any T85 WW flour either, so I plan to autolyze 80% white bread flour with 20% WW flour before combining the rest of the ingredients along with the Tangzhong.
Einkorn is the penultimate grain in my world. If you keep this up I may have to move to Mesa!!
I am starting to grain my own berries in a Mockmill!
Love your videos Man, Greetings from Poland!
Really informative. I would also be very interested in some future episodes to see different ways you can use your starter discard.
The easiest way to use the old sourdough is to use it for bread baking. You must have a strong and mature sourdough. Keep your old sourdough in the refrigerator. An everyday sourdough bread has 20 - 40% of the flour in the sourdough, so the substitution of a part of it with the flour in the old sourdough will not affect the final result very much. You have to recalculate the bread recipe keeping the amount of flour in the sourdough and the total hydration constant. I think that the maximal amount of the flour in the old sourdough from the total flour in the sourdough must not exceed 25%. Yesterday I baked a bread using only rest of sourdoughs that I collected in the last two months: rye, wheat, liquid and stiff sourdoughs. I used only easy to bake flours (75% bread wheat flour and 25% dark wheat flour (German Type 1050)). It results a very tasty bread.
Greetings from Denmark. 100% ryebread is daily tradition here.
Smørrebrød (literally buttered bread) is our ryebread, a bit of butter, cold cuts of meat or fried fish and then with lots of toppings. I love it.
Most warnings say, "Don't try this at home" but I decided to try this at home!😂 I followed the recipe and pared it down to two loaves. I have a Famag IM5-S mixer, so I didn't have the problems the Kitchenaid mixer had. I used to have the same Kitchenaid mixer and had those same problems, so I felt it to my soul! Anyway, the scalding trick is pretty cool but man is that dough sticky! I used an Irish Rye sourdough culture, even though I think any good culture would handle a 25% rye bread. I baked the loaves today and cut some pieces after it cooled. Now I understand why Jon said it may be his new favorite bread. This one may not topple my personal favorite but it is far better than any rye bread I've made before and is now my new favorite rye bread. Thanks for all of your great videos and for making real bread!
its almost like doing a tangzhong for a milk bread. Rye is my favorite bread to eat and make, but have never tried this method. Thank you for showing us
I stripped the gears on my Kitchen Aid Pro by doing 3 loves. But I now am doing by hand and really am enjoying it and getting closer to the lace that I like in the bread.
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Great video thanks!!!
great looking bread
By the way, I love your videos. I am fascinated by the science of breadmaking. I will figure out how to make that perfect little torpedo rye roll that I had in the late 1960s. Leathery exterior like a bagel.
Thank you so much for such an informative video, i run a small sourdough bakery in Adelaide, Australia. I have struggled a lot with my rye breads but I believe that there will some major game changers after watching this. Thank you so so very much.
..."might be my new favourite bread"... Love that conclusion, Jon.!
Mixed bread, rye and wheat, or wheat and rye is Germany's overall favourite too.
Now you know why!
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@33:38, glad you asked, Jon. I have a 5.5QT Professional Series KitchenAid like yours and I hate when the dough climbs up like that. My solution is to lower the bowl, from time to time, as it’s mixing. This way, the dough releases from the hook and you can keep doing this until your dough is fully developed.
I do that too with my 5.5qt
after listening to your story about ruining that dough confusing salt with sugar, I just thought that maybe if you used redmond salt the pink color would have stopped that confusion .
Would LOVE to see that apple fritter with the discard recipe!!
cool, you use the Garage as Test kitchen, for future projects in your business !! Well done !! ps: It is a good Idea to exchange your staff in other bakeries ,so they learn skills and see they are not alone in the job !!! They become more value in productivity !!
Hi, I'm an avid home baker and I have had successfully bread partly made with discard, in Italian yeasted bread, bloomers and even sourdough..
My Bosch mixes dough like a dream.
Would love to see a video on starter discard uses!
Very useful video.
I watched masterb bob the baker videos on youtube, and he make all sorts of breads. He uses oil, to help with dough sticking to mixer and hook.
BTW bread looks great. Thanks for the video.
In scandinavia we eat a lot of rye bread.
My sourdough starter is usually 50% rye and 50% wheat.
"I need a tool here because I don't really feel like touching that boiling water." 😆😆😆
Wife's like wanna watch a movie?? Im like sorry honey watching proof! Love your stuff you're so easy to listen to explain yourself well and the camera person is awesome!!!
I swapped out my 5qt mixer for the 8qt professional because the dough for 2 good size loaves of bread was just too much so it took forever to get good gluten development without having to constantly stop, scrap & restart. The 5qt simply became a hinderance rather than asset. Our granddaughter now enjoys the 5qt.
I did the same. My 8 quart has so more of a powerful motor.
You asked about tips on dough mixing in the Kitchen Aid. I have the same issue when mixing bread dough in any quantity.
The best mix I’ve ever seen for mixing dough is the Ankarsrum Assistent Original AKM 6230 Electric Stand Mixer, 7.4 Qt.
👍🙏THANK YOU FOR THE TIPS !!! 😊
Mischbrot. It’s what they brought me up on back in Germany. Mix-bread. Literally.
It's like a yudane with rye. Also reminds me of chinese scallion pancakes, the flour is first gelatinized then left overnight.
Do you have advice on starting a sourdough starter? Would love advice on that.
I am surprised to see how long you mixed the dough in the KitchenAid mixer. I have been watching and learning a lot from TH-cam videos as I begin my sourdough journey and most people caution against over mixing.
Thank you!
My favorite bread
Oh wow . Interesting
Hey buddy I just want to thank you for all your help you videos are excellent after watching you for 2 days my loaves are coming out spectacular thank you again and wish you much luck in your business let me know when you going to start selling flower
I've started my own Harriet in 4/22 I've finally done it! She is strong. I'm feeding her regularly. My Harriet is Eleanor May, Eli May for short
He really likes to talk..... :) Thanks for the video.
Firstly, I love your videos man id love to work for you 😂 at my work, we actually make a sourdough using rye flour in our starter dough, I find it definitely adds a lot of flavour. Just an idea to think about if you're interested, you're videos have tought me loads thought I'd return one of my recipes 😂
You an excellent example - I just bought "The Rye Baker".
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Hi Jon, do you think it will have the same result if I replace the rye flour with buckwheat flour? Please let me know your thoughts on this crazy idea of mine. Thank you in advance.
loved your video on Making sour dough Rye bread! is there anyway I can get the recipe?
Although I really like your videos it would be nice if you showed some recipes for the home baker because it’s tough to convert from the Comercail setting but I have learned a lot from your videos thanks for sharing
Would you consider baking your standard sourdough bread without autolyse, now you have seen in the testbake it turns out pretty good without it!?
I shared this channel with my husband who is learning to bake sourdough bread and he wants to know where you found your shop apron, or what brand? Does anyone know? We have rye flour ready to try with our starter. Thank you for all of the detailed information.
Sometimes I will lower the bowl some, hold it at a spot and let it to run. Then raise the bowl back up. Sometimes it takes a couple times of doing this to get it to come together.
I've watched your video several times now as the concept of combining boiling water over rye flour is a bit foreign to my typical bread making techniques. I baked the first batch this morning after overnight refrigeration. The internal loaf temperature was around 205 F upon completing the bake. The loaf interior seemed gummy and under-baked. So I baked another of the loaves until the interior was around 215F which was an improvement. I'm using a typical electric range with a rectangular pizza stone on the rack and a steam pan below. I started at 475F for 15 minutes and completed at 435F for 40 minutes. My oven tends to bake very dark. Would you have any suggestions? I enjoyed the flavor and would like to repeat the recipe with a dryer crumb. Thank you
Hi, from NYC! I was going to make apple fritters…please share apple fritter recipes using discards..:)
Get the white dough hook it has a 1 1/2 or 2 inch flare out at the very top near the mixer itself. Like a shield. Then periodically speed the mixer up full speed to fling it off to the side and be reincorporated it always climbs up the hook that’s why you need the white one with the flare at the top
John, what size of Banneton do you recommend for this type of bread, please. Thank you.
Are you going to do an online shopping for your milled grains? Thanks 👍
If you were to create a new starter using rye, does the scolding method apply for daily feedings as well?
At what temperature around is your fridge at? and how long would you roughly say you keep the dough in the fridge, assuming your at kinda near the end of peak fermentaion?
Do you have any videos on how to make the starter for home use?