VERMTIDE MEETS THE TREE FOLK | Skaven vs Wood Elves - Total War Warhammer 3
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I love the sound of the Grey Seer's bell tolling away as he rides around. I wonder if it would have been viable to include some sneaky rats to go try and get a back cap on objective 1 or at least serve as a distraction.
It would've been fun to watch for sure! I reckon that the skaven player worried that the WE player might pull the remaining waywatchers to come handle the situation though (hard to buffer within terrain to make use of or a handy mass of bodies).
What a wild comeback. I feel like Skaven needed some mass or more reactive positioning on their natural to prevent WE light cav from isolating units and getting good trades where they had no right to.
It was so weird right!? There were times when WE light cav dove into situations that should've ended them and came back out better than expected. I kept expecting the punish to come!
WE didn't used to have light cav at all, so seeing them employed like that was pretty shocking!
@Forrest Mcgee Oh, hey. I forgot that this comment existed. I was more meaning that it was surprising to see WE using effective light cav than that it is surprising to see light cav get value. They're definitely super helpful in dom! (points vaguely at Slaanesh and DE)
Im fascinated by the sheer scale of the battles in this game
Im nowhere near this smart and tactical for this type of genre but i do enjoy watching such matches
I play campaign but I’ve found multiplayer is more fun to eat than to play because you have to be pretty intense to do good in it
@@deanrichard1770 i've found that whenever I lose it feels overwhelming and when I win it feels like I only did so because the opponent made massive mistakes. only very rarely does it feel like I outplayed someone.
@@latlatko Yeah, that was also my experience, unfortunately
@@latlatko The enemy making mistakes and you taking advantage of them is what outplaying your opponent means.
You can try single player first? The single player campaign aspect has a lot smaller battles which you can use to get used to the battles.
You remember the old forest, on the Borders of Buckland? Folk used to say there was something in the water that made the tree grow tall....and come alive!
Trees that could whisper, talk to each other, even stream......
Are you high?
This is one of the few matchups where I unironically like stormvermin (sword and board) they deal with wardancers, can't be shot easily and most people don't realise they're stormvermin. They just assume they're clanrats so you can get some good fights pretty easily.
The lizardmen's rez crystal might be pretty good to pair up with the lost sylvan knights. It'll rez models and heal them. Maybe combo it with a life wizard heal and just see the units rise from the dead near instantly with an overcast regrowth lol.
That woodelf lord was chilling out waaaaaaay too much. He could have shut those catapults down just by threatening them. Or pull the opponents micro to that spot.
I hadn't thought about that but yeah! The Skaven didn't bring any ranged to punish some overflight!
Skaven had an air root. And were close enough to the spawn to summon in some evil ranged dakka. Could have been an insta game throw to get aggressive with the lord. Couldn't see/know there was no ranged there.
LOL "Where are all my Skaven??" which is the most skaven-like experience you could run into. Accurate
What a freaking awesome game! The Asrai are my favourite faction (collect them on the tabletop) so seeing them make such a clutch comeback is just BEAUTIFUL.
Great game. Good on Pinkamena for submitting a loss
Players sending in their close losses are class acts
That's what I'm talking about! Not that chaos skirmishing BS. This was WAY MORE fun to watch than 10 marauder horsemen back and forth
That's a lot of rats. I love it.
Always fun to get a surprise like that!
Dont get why not using the dwellers on catapult instead of stupid rats
Welves can clean chaff pretty easily and you have the choixe between targetting garbage units who can dodge the spell very quickly or high damage pieces of artillery which will rekt all your high quality units.
The kights died in 2 minutes cause of the catapults and without their pressure, the archers could have probably killed or at least route the skaven general
Feel like a big misplay by the big ears and the start would have been much easier :(
I have to say that I found that weird. WE have *always* struggled against artillery, whether it's mortars or catapults. I think that the skaven player made a couple of oversights and that the WE player capitalized very well, but in the beginning I didn't quite understand the WE strategy.
@@dome2919 I have lost quite some game by realizing spell sniping those plague claws doesn't work reliably at all. And puts your lord in danger and wastes mana if it fails. Build was mainly focused on going against a globadier/jezzail-style rat build, as that is the most scary one. So not perfectly suited for the vermintide.
@@nerexa5246 Ah! Makes sense! Yeah if they went with those types of pieces your untargetable archers and holding pieces would've destroyed globes (cav can do good work against jezzails).
WE strats against artillery have always been sketch. There was a school of though in WH1 about using waystalker's arrow of kurnous to snipe pieces (it didn't work reliably, and was very slow).
It's tough, but I genuinely respect WE content wherever it comes from! Good game!
Best game I’ve seen in quite a while! What a game!
Sisters with volley fire would have gotten like a 1000 kills in this battle XD
Lizardmen res crystal + regrowth lets any unit revive models.
Sad I didn't see any Ratlings which I think would have been great here; I agree not quite the right balance of ranged damage to meat-shields for the ratty boys but nonetheless a fun match to watch :)
I believe this was the finals of one of the tournaments
Great game
verMINtide!
I didn't play that game for 800 hours for its name to be misspelled!!
(love your content, kiss kiss)
Imagine this vermin tide encountering belegar, 2 thane, 3 iron drake, and 1 gyro
stop. I cant take it. thats too hot. A few ironbreakers at the front would tip me over the edge.
The sisters of the thorn
Should get a cost reduction
Because their shield of thorns bound spell change ,made them much more useless
I also would like to see zoats get cheaper
Wildriders also
And this is small
But wardancers bladesingers and the RoR wardancers should get vanguard
They literally worship the god of trickery
Maybe not the wardancers
But the RoR wardancers should
And bladesingers since they are the elite followers of Loe'c
WOw amazing!
I don`t understand the WE player in the beginning. Why bring your high value troops on the flank where you have to fight through mass of cheap chaff while being shot by the catapults?
Use your speed, attack the other flank.
it works both ways. waywatcher never got compromised this way and depending on what skaven bring (e.g. globadiers) you absolutely need them online. Speed advantage is also a bit of a hollow thing against just mass infantry. The speed advantage on the push for the home objective could only play out like this, because a lot of rat resources were bound on low ground, especially most rat ogres. That being said, though, I'm not sure what would have been the right call here. Lots of different ways, this could have gone.
Can we get more land battles and less domination?
Haven't watched yet, will be immeasurably disappointed if my Welves lose
went as expected 😜
Did you finish it?
@@turinRTS Yes!
so cool I gotta try this
Usually I don't criticize people's play in these because I'm just not that good at the game, but the WE player throwing Dwellers at clanrats and skavenslaves instead of the catapults kinda just hurt my soul. Like, you *have* to know those are the big damage dealers messing up your troops right now and there's nothing out there that can stop your caster, just get rid of them and then the units you already brought with you will have basically free reign to slaughter the rodents.
Hell, he basically got to do that when the skaven player lapsed and he lost those catapults.
Spell sniping plague claws is ... unreliable, I had to painfully find out. They are a bit to wide for thee whole crew to be hit, and if the player reacts, the crew usually rallys and you just wasted mana since still 4 artillery peices shooting.
Treekin were the MVP, bad micro lost skaven the match
Well played by both teams lapse in micro on skaven lost them the game they won so hard I think he relaxed
great game
lizards rev crystal revives models, so in a 2v2 situation you could bring back models with that
10:13 I agree here for sure. The quintessential complaint about Wood Elves is that their kite-centric style of play is annoying to play against but everything that they can field to play another way is prohibitively expensive. I'm sure WE players would love to field sisters of thorn builds which buff infantry lines enough to buffer for heavy hitting archers that don't need to draw the enemy across the whole map, but it's hard to do because those pieces are hard to afford together.
A few reasonable cost reductions could open up all kinds of new styles of play! Imagine huge flank overloads as Zoats + Wild riders hammer a side of the enemy army, relying on some treekin (and perhaps the lord) to try and hold the weak-flank together! There's a lot that we haven't seen from the faction (one of a few that hasn't gotten too many spiffy updates like GS or LM) and I hope that a little love comes their way to open up those scenes to cool new vids!
Well said
The sisters of the thorn
Should get a cost reduction
Because their shield of thorns bound spell change ,made them so much more useless
I also would like to see zoats get cheaper
Wildriders also
And this is small
But wardancers bladesingers and the RoR wardancers should get vanguard
They literally worship the god of trickery
I thought the game was over when the Skaven has a value advantage of 3000, and were winning on objectives by 400 points. What a comeback! Skaven really lost their teeth once the plagueclaw catapults ran out of ammunition.
i feel like a unit of hawk riders would have made this match a lot easier for the wood elves. the catapults carried the skaven. so, perhaps a combo of wardancers and hawk riders would do the trick easier.
What is this lord unsummoning cheese? I've seen it done in ranked matches but I still don't know why they do it.
You unsummon your lord when it's low on HP, this way you don't get the map wide lord died/routed leadership debuff.
@@BFHDuFu this is the right answer in general.
In particular, the skaven hero chieftain has an ability that gives a leadership buff to all the army if the lord isn't on the battlefield. So it's common to see a skaven army with a cheap lord to unsummon as the battle starts to get the leadership buff
@@nickcarl6774 Ok, this part I hadn't registered in my head. That's pretty nasty!
Just what I needed, a nice battle. Thanks!
Awsome game and Awsome casting! I enjoyed the cinematic shots with infantry, cavallery, magic and plague all over a lot. I know that the channel is competitive-focused but every now and then a less "what's the state of the game" and more "this game is beautiful" approach makes for a great video!
Very interesting game! :)
It was! I always love to see some WE on the board and honestly you never see WE signature unit (waywatchers) used anymore! Cool to see
Wow! I was amazed that the skaven managed to lose that, but I do love my good rat boys, so I'm glad to see them.
This is very reflective of my experience fighting Skaven in campaign - constantly fearing the next plague claw or warp lightning impact
Would the Wood Elves have had an easier time bringing Durthu with flock of doom + the hero life mage instead? Obviously one can't predict exactly what's coming, but flock of doom seems like it would have helped a lot.
skaven had 0 ranged units (outside artilary), but the WE flying caster didn´t flew to dwellers the catapults?? still won, but i don´t got why he did that
Those catapults firing uncontestet and doing so much damage on expensive elvish troops is bothering me hard.
i dont think you will respond to this but how many realy good players do you think would be in the "no pros no problems league" ? (also i love your vids
plague claws are looking isane in most matches ive been seeing
I was about to click off the video assuming WE lose hard but that was a big surprise return
They’re supposed to lose
@@charlesman8722 skaven got bribed with warpstone to throw the game
I was surprised too! It used to be a pretty open and shut matchup but this one went pretty unusually! The skaven player definitely played a thematic build (vermintide) whereas some of the typical "Meta" choices (mortars/globadiers, a mass of bodies to chunk through, and rat ogres to prevent dive) would probably produce the typical result. A refreshing watch tbh!
Should those ghost knights break?
I never played any Warhammer (even owning them) but like to watch matches sometimes. I know Skaven army is based on cheap units but the disproportion on start is really massive, on loading screen 20 units vs 11. Does these battle are based on point like with Warhammer 40k when players create armies to max amount for example 2 000 points?
I like that elves here win even against those massive artillery bombardments. Tree Kins such a bosses....
Yes. Both sides have the same amount of gold that they can spend on building the army before battle. And skaven aren't all cheap. Clanrats and Slaves are quite cheap, but units like Stormvermin and weapon teams are more on the expensive side.
I think the Hawk-Eyes of Drakira (the RoR Waywatchers) are worth bringing in this match-up. Like you say in the video, if Skavens bring weapon teams, Waywatchers can pick them off quickly and efficiently, but they're not great against chaff, as we could see in this battle. On the other hand, the RoR has a contact effect on missile fire reducing leadership by 16, so a single volley on an already wounded Clanrats unit will rout them instantly.
By switching targets for each volley, Wood Elves could get mass routs across the whole frontline, accruing a ton of value without having to sacrifice their elite missile troops. On top of that, the RoR is much more accurate than basic Waywatchers, so they're great for lord-sniping.
Having been playing the Vermintide Endgame Crisis, just hearing that bell gives me a Pavlovian sense of anger.
gg
Looked like he skaven player went afk halfway through?
Pink throwing the game for no reason, weird asf...
GG
Vermintide battles are so bland
You think so? Maybe they'd be better with a few "superstar" units mixed in to point some spotlight? I figure that's why the "*Dreaded 13th Spell*" stole the show whenever it was cast!
Yeah, anything other than frontline units simply wearing down the opponents with sheer numbers. Wolfrats chasing the backlines, anything at all would spice it up
Dang skaven really threw the game. They had over 2000 supply saved up but didn't summon anything to keep the objective. And had a bunch of units just chilling across the map
Not sure they had much to summon. They really needed some Stormvermin mixed in simply as anchor infantry since they had supplies to burn after spamming out the cheap rats.
@@spellbound1875 yeah that could be it. He should've unsummoned those units sitting across the map if that was the case.
@@Daniel_deez_nutz That certainly would have helped but in the time it'd take them to return to usability he'd gain more supply and still have a surplus.
Since you can resummon infantry units if you're going for a massive rush like this it's best to hedge with at least a couple mid/high tier options. Those mostly suck for Skaven unfortunately but for the gameplan Stormvermin are the least bad.
please destroy the plagueclaws