Why the Pipistrel Panthera is Extremely Well Designed
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- The Pipistrel Panthera is presented as a versatile, light, compact, and fast aircraft, with good and bad aspects. But, the most important thing to consider is that the Panthera cannot yet be presented as a 100% finished product, since the 10 or so units flying in the United States are only flying in their experimental variant. It remains to be seen what the final result of the aircraft will be after its acquisition by Textron and the intention to finally certify it as a complete aircraft, which undoubtedly opens an important window for the improvement of its overall performance.
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00:00 - Introduction
01:56 - Exterior Design
03:58 - Interior
05:24 - Engine
06:31 - Performance
08:12 - Avionics and Systems
07:37 - Market
11:41 - Pros
12:59 - Cons
13:42 - Conclusion
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I took a test flight on a Pantera. It is as good as I imagined. Absolutely spectacular aircraft. A joy to hand fly!
do you have an Instagram with vids/pics of this beauty?
TEXTRON will find a way to screw it up
😂
Yup
Hope not, it’s promising!
Aahhahaha!
Loool
I like everything about the Pipistrel Panthers. Performance,design, useful load, speed, and range.. The parachute for emergency use is also very beneficial if needed. The only obstacle that I see could be the final price. Otherwise, I love everything about the single engine aircraft. ❤
Look at the price of ANY new aircraft. This airframe is a bargain.
The spin is recoverable even with 4 persons on board...
Excellent stuff bro
That plane is amazing looking.
Spectacular
Nice looking plane.
What about gear and flaps ops speeds during a high speed low drag approach? With no speed brakes and this high speed plane it would need high gear and flaps cycle speeds, which seems not the case?
Wow, wow, wow, I love it. Love the Lycoming engine, Garmjn component avionics and narrower wing span. .Would love to own that plane. Surely I must have a rich aunt somewhere wanting to leave me an inheritance? Let’s hope Textron doesn’t screw it up!
This is not a video review.. it's plays like an aircraft ad, with information often redundantly repeated redundantly again.
Regardless, the Paintera is a cool aircraft. Hopefully Textron won't kill Pipistrel's style, gutsiness and engineering-led innovation (I'm looking at you, beancounters !)
It’s not IFR certified… means it’s not a fair comparison. Certify it and than compare.
That is a beautiful plane .
This airplane is so pretty, it made me go and look at pipistrel's job offerings
Glad that the “steering wheel pedals” are adjustable..
Glad someone else caught that too! 😂
👏👏👏👏👏
Don’t label it a killer of anything until it has sold more units in a given time period. A concept Rivian can’t be called an F-150 killer. Even if it does one thing better.
Just a little mistake in the description: Market part does not start at 07:37 but at 09:37 :)
I'll update it.. Thank you very much
Beautiful machine
Now textron has it the prices will be $300,000 more than they need to be
I wanted to buy one in the experimental version and build it, but after seeing the lack of CS and not getting any response to my emails I gave up.
I❤love it, sooooo beautiful 😍 but the front visibility is so limited
I've wanted to test fly since it was covered in apparent magazine. I hear textron bought the company for the electrix planes and wouldnt certify the panthera. I hope i heard wrong
It looks amazing and ppl have been calling it the SR22 killer and making videos like this one for 11 years.
Yet, here we are...
Well, to be fair. They had to redesign it around a different engine. Then build a factory for it. So technically it has been in production only a few years, dont know the sales numbers but the time you need to wait for one i've heard is about a year.
How do you escape if upside down
Looks sleek and efficient, almost like a glider
Bonanza is an American aircraft introduced in 1947 by Beech Aircraft, cruise speed 203 mph, range 824 m., 5 pasangers.... new PPS has the same speed and range, 80 years of development and no improvements...
Half the fuel burn isnt an advantage?
@@SuperV8driver it's not half the fuel burn.. It's similar fuel burn... But to be fair 200kts is not 200mph.
Drag increases exponentially with speed. So large improvements in aerodynamics can only get you so far. Thus, the small improvement in performance over the bonanza.
When will this be certified? Great aircraft old engine. When will the engines see some innovation?!
Can’t get any of those alternative engines through the FAA. Not sure why Textron would build this at all. They can sell 182’s which are much cheaper to make.
Nice overview. It does look like a great match against a Cirrus. Will it be branded as a Cessna in the USA.. Cessna Panthera has a nice ring to it. Once it gains a bit a market share and trustworthiness...sales will explode..it should match SR22 sales .
Just like Columbia.
Pipistrel is doing well in Europe and would probably not sell this aircraft to another manufacturer (unless they suddenly fail as a company- not likely).
@@its4michael they already sold to Textron. Not just the plane, but the entire company.
@@FamilyManMoving - This is good news from a finance point of view. Unfortunately, Textron is no longer an American company, unlike what the video said. It may be doubtful that the new owners will prioritize building and marketing to the US market.
Its not the same as the SR22, the only reason its fast is because its so darn small.
Id rather fly a cirrus purely because i can fit in it (and much of my family is over 6ft)
It is a stunner no doubt. I cannot see Textron pushing thos aircraft. US buyers always choose tired old fashioned Cessnas or Beechcraft. Europe on the other hand want modern, sleek innovative machines. Eg: not too many US built autos in Europe Africa and other regions of the world.
Regards from South Africa
only 1 thing is missing there -> jet a fuel engine
Price?
I hope this airplane will be on display at the Sun and Fun in Lakeland FL for their next show.
The only time I want to hear the word "sustainable" again is how well it sustains altitude...
I have to say i would try to opt for a previosly owned DA50RG. The Jet-A1 capability is a game changer for me. It has proven its capabilities and will do so for many years to come.
I have yet to see a used da50. Heck, I have yet to see a new da50, lol.
Seen one at Ostend international airport. Not a fan, overpriced and not competitive. I wonder who is actually considering to buy one?
Ah sleek looking but that T tail brings back bad memories of training in a Tramahawk.
Let’s get back to this video in 2025 and see if it’s available then……..
4:19 "Steering wheel pedals"??? Lol
I really hope Textron doesn't do to Pipistrel what it did to Columbia. I think it'd be in better hands with a company with vision instead of with a company who drops a line when sales don't go their way. They don't care. They take a player off the board and keep selling the same old models they've had for decades.
The SR22: the GA killer
If I am in the market for four-seater airplane, my money is on the Pantera because it is made by an American company instead of the Cirrus which is made by a Chinese company.
Sleek looking ship, it is. It's also one of the first modern aircraft designs to take full advantage of modern engine, avionics, automotive design and materials along with cutting edge CFD for aerodynamics.
Most new aircraft of the last decade or teo have been tailored to the underwhelming LSA restrictions.
Keep in mind, the old Experimental Lancairs and even the Cirrus line of the early 2000s were not designed with CFD. And they are rather slow and lumbering in climb and roll rate, which dosent seem to deter buting ploping down $600k-$1M for a plane that cannot even catch a Bonanza in economy cruise even by sharing the same engine.
When it comes to planes NOT designed with any notable use of CFD, Neither is the MX line which was dominant in air racing. The newest Extra NG and Sbach designs seem to be well thought out and utilize quality design and materials, along with obvious reliance on modern tools, but most passenger airplanes available are pretty much just free hand cad sketches that "look about right".
“Lumbering Lancairs that can’t catch a Bonanza?” Show me a Bo that does 300knots.
Textron will raise the price by $400k. Is it 7-800 K now? Thx
I don't know if I would call any aircraft that used avgas environmentally friendly. Seeing as how it's lead filled exhaust is literally toxic to life. But, I guess, maybe you could claim it was more environmentally friendly than the rest?.
It's actually quite comical to call it environmentally friendly, 100LL has a lead content 10x than what used to be in auto fuel.
So glad he left it up to us to choose! 😂
Yah, that’s what I want; an expensive and hard to replace custom propeller.
Look at this state of the art plane, everything is future material technology and weight saving tech...
Oh and we slapped an engine that was designed in 1937 in the front... enjoy
As soon as I heard Textron bought the company, I knew the price will spike, but I did not expect THAT much, from $400 to $$640++Cessna heart left light plane decades ago, and had several failures trying to take short cuts by buying someone else's designs. One thing a big company is not good at, is to make affordable planes. They have lots of overheads , and share holders to pay. What will make or break this plane would be the price.
The big players ruin everything with their corporate inefficiencies.
It's surprising they are not trying to capture the massive second hand market. Any decent new plane that could price itself as somewhat affordable would take big chunks of that market and actually provide revenue to the manufacturers. Instead all they are missing out on all of it to secondhand parts manufacturers.
and FAA@@glsracer
Did u mention the Fuel burn rate? Retractable gear annuals will be much more expensive , I’ll stay with the plane that is available…….
I'd like to see the bodywork under that thing. Also the cirrus I think is lighter and it's a established aircraft
The Cirrus SR22 is 194 kg heavier than the Panthera, and probably has worse glide characteristics. It is also doesn't have a retractable landing gear and uses about 4 gph more than the Panthera. The only thing I can think of that the Cirrus might be preferable for is that there are old ones that you can buy at a more affordable price. New ones are almost as expensive as this one though...
This plane was looking good but the forecast prices have moved beyond the value that the plane offers. There are always rich people who are willing to pay for the convenience of a new plane delivered 2 years too late but buying new has just become inconvenient under Textron.
The factory uses LED lighting, I can rest now.
The killer Cirrus is doing a good enough job on its own!!
Not bad, except the price. I'm happy with my Mini P-40.
Mini P40?
@@ryanb9749 Yes, poor civilian man P-40 Warhawk.
@@space1commander A Globe Swift would fit that bill pretty well I think.
@@ryanb9749 With fuel pricing going to the roof this days, the only way to keep flying without going broke is a 2 seater burning from 4 to 6 gallons per hour until the electrics takes over.
@Space1Commander The Electron E-75 is a very intriguing plane. I own an EV (car) with 108k miles so I am well aware of the potential downsides of owning an electric plane. I don't know if electric planes will be cheaper than gasoline ones to be honest.
The maintenance will be on par with a low time jet aircraft, but without the expenses of Jet-A.
The SubSonex jet is really cool, but every 300 hours you gotta send it in for maintenance for 30k. I think EVs might be similar but instead of 300 flight hours it'll be like every 5 years or somethin'
I think I would still take the Cirrus ngl
The only thing it's lacking is pressurization.
That makes zero sense
@@reserva120 An airplane with a service ceiling of FL25 and you don't think pressurization would be helpful?
@@johnm.3279 They need to sale them First.. Price. matters...don't be silly.., besides doesn't have the room or range to fly at those altitudes for any real reasons..
There's reason most piston planes aren't pressurized. Those huge pretty windows aren't designed for pressure. You can't have both. If you want pressurization, you get a Malibu.
No point for a non turbo would be painfu climb above f120
Too expensive for an experimental. And at least on this side of the world generally not even usable for IFR. May look awesome, but this way nothing for a larger aviation community
But why must it be a "killer" to be good?
Based on the slope of the forward wind screen and the distance from the forward cowling edge… this must be horrible to see down the runway during takeoff and landing.
This video is just an advertisement, as it doesn’t really compare it or critique it…
Other than that, I’ll take 2 😆
Still better than a tail dragger.
Cost?
More than what utility it provides.
I would really like to see these go for less than $1M.
Whenever they mention , low emissions I cringe.
Don't like the flat wind shield, that compromises visibility.
"first introduced in 2011" means designed in 2009. I really wish innovations in aviation didn't take decades to come to market.
I think pilot can not see anything beyond thé cockpit
Looks like a copy (or vice versa) of a Diamond DA40!
Yes, TEXTRON will most certainly screw that up like they did with the Columbia.
I don't understand if it has FIKI or not.
Last time I asked, de-icing was some vague future plan. This, in my view is the deal breaker here.
@@N807DS completely agree. Without deicing, it can't seriously compete with cirrus
The first generation will not have any de-icing, unfortunately.. Future versions will have some solid-stage all-electric ultrasound and/or heated leading edge. The idea is to get rid of TKS and all the mechanical plumbing. I love the idea, but considering it's a new and untested system we might be waiting at least a decade until certification, if ever.
I question anything saying "permanent" including lubrication.
Until they can be brought in as experimental, it’s a no-go for me. The only one that I’m aware of in the US is experimental exhibition, which is great for the manufacturer’s rep. But for the average pilot, I don’t want the extra work or unknowns of the category.
Make a hybrid with solar panel skin covering every inch of the outside. Then put mini windmills across the bottom of the wings.. give me a 500 gallon tank and get me 2000 miles. I'll buy one.
Whoever thinks that a G3X is a downgrade from a G1000 must be drunk.
Imagine spending tens of millions on R&D, perfecting, testing, and refining with the most modern materials and electronics the world has to offer. Then you install an engine designed in 1930 that runs on 20 gallons of leaded gasoline per hour at 7-10$ a gallon. Piston aviation engine manufacturing is one of the most backward industries in the world. Hey Rotax, if you read this come up with something in the 200-250 HP range. The world needs it. Aerosolized lead just isn't a good thing no matter how you spin or slice it.
Come on, use a side yoke. The stick between the legs is not a great idea for a airplane to be used for cross country flying. It get’s in the way.
Nah, loved the center stick in my Diamond.
"Steering Wheel Pedals" ?
Now mass produce it and sell it for $250k to $350k and you have a winner.
Who can afford these planes anymore
Only millionairs!! Thats why the kit build segment is so strong now. You can have a brand new aircraft for 150K, and I'm talking about one that has been flight tested for years and years, some even decades, so they have proven their strength and safety!!
10 millionaires you mean, single millionaire -not…
@@scotabot7826 No one wants to fly in a plane I built, including me.
@@ChrisJones-yt8zp Well, there are people just like you and me building Certified airplanes every day of the week. I've seen many kit built aircraft that absolutely put to shame certified aircraft. That's a fact, and I'm not talking about just cosmetic issues either!! Facts.
@@scotabot7826 I understand your point but probably not "just like me." I don't think they'll be mumbling "lefty loose, righty tightly" as they install the landing gear.
Only 959999
$750K
WTF would someone want a electric airplane??? Looks almost like the Diamond. Shove a turbine in it
I would! Put some panels on the roof of the hangar and let it charge there during the working week, have cheap propulsion in the weekend when you have time to fly! Have you seen the gas prices these days? Especially in Europe... With a cruise speed like that it would make for a great machine to do a day trip with the family in the weekend!
220kt Vmax
55kt Vs0
Speed ratio of 4:1
Climb rate 1,300ft/min
1315kg Mtow
815kg empty
Useful load fraction = 0.38 or 38% Mtow.
Span 10.86m
Area 11.2m^3
Aspect ratio 10.5:1
Overall pretty underwhelming performance and empty weight fraction for an all carbon composite, high aspect ratio, retractable gear aircraft.
I mean, its very fast.
But its not a substantial improvement in any other performance area, except build quality and interior design. Its basically a slightly lighter, smaller, more efficient SR-22.
Good plane.
Not spectacular.
Looks a little "meh" on the outside. Very nice inside. Leaves me wanting more.
And half the price
Looks like they copied a shark aero, diamond and an sr
1:06 I hope that aircraft wasn't really flying.
That’s an expensive aircraft, pretty but way too much money.
Visibility over that cowl looks completely terrible.
It's not that bad actually. The real issue is crosswind landings in a crab and the centre pillar will completely block your view of the runway, so you need to move your head around in the cockpit.
looks like a DA40 knockoff
Pantera is basically an airplane for drooling youtube commenters who know nothing about airplanes. This is why sales have been shit. Even rich dentist pilots with too much money quickly cotton on to the fact that the economics of this airplane just aren't there. A fool's airplane if there ever was one.
As soon as I got to the part where you said "environmentally friendly" I quit. Their webpage doesn't says plenty about efficiency and nothing about the environment, which is true to the idea. Flight IS about freedom and excess. Nobody flies their own plane because they have to or because its environmentally friendly. Let's stop pretending and stop with these bullshit pandering catch phrases. We fly because we want to, and because we can, screw "the message".
They aren’t even making it anymore. Been saying it would be certified in a year for 4 years.