Yea except for one thing, the tail end of the plane was designed for the slower speed which the io-390 could give, now with the 540 the tail is still the same and , “”hasn’t””been reinforced to save costs. That’s why the never exceed speed is so close to the high speed cruise number. The FAA has to get on their case and make them apply more layers of carbon to that skinny tail boom before it gets certified.
I had been dreaming to see the Panthera in person, let alone fly in one! The Alpha was really great too. I am honestly impressed by the pipistrel aircraft
Gotta say: as a non pilot, but one who fantasizes about flying my own, I've watched m a n y takeoffs and landings from #2seat. This video shows a (seemingly) luxuriously fluid and responsive flight from start up to landing. Thanks for the ride. Very very nice.
More questions & answers would've been great. Interviewer seemed a bit light & quiet with discussion. I'd like to see some maneuvers, perhaps that easy-to-exit spin, stalls, steep turns, gear & flap cycles. Is air conditioning an option? Does the BRS destroy the fuselage? How easy is landing, what are V speeds, etc? Unique things about the exterior/interior, blah, blah. It's a fine video & a wonderful-looking plane, it's just the interview & demo could've been more extensive & intensive.
I remember when I first saw this plane a few years ago when it was a prototype. Im still in love with it! It motivates me to get my license and keep going until I too can fly my own one.
at 3:57 the camera is about 3 inches above the crew eye level and the visibility straight ahead is barely acceptable which means it may not be to the crew. the right seater is tilting his head up to see straight ahead so in climb out it may be "IFR" as in all the climb out and even level views i like for example at 12:40...feels like it was white out so we couldnt see what the vis really is like
you don't measure a plane in mpg's you measure a plane in cost per hour of flight, and this one isnt chbeap with the titanium landing gear and composite structure. titanium and carbon fiber hate each other and will corrode faster than aluminum and steel
@@ElevatedVehicles That's supposed to be anyone else's problem? Do you also complain when billionaires drop what someone makes in a year on something trivial and that they will throw? F your rent.
I grew up about a quarter of a mile south of this airport on Hwy 41. In the late 50s and 60s it was a grass strip and I would sneak down there and watch whatever traffic there was from the treelike and dream of flying. My house was in the pattern, I would be plowing or discing with a tractor and watch them fly overhead. Used Inverness as one of my legs for my private and commercial fixed wing licenses AND my helicopter/rotorcraft license. Need to come over and have a closer look at this aircraft.
I flew the Tecnan p2002 Deluxe and as every Pipistrel plane, is an fuel economic plane, awesome to fly, loyal and fun little plane! I am really looking foward for flying the panthera. Greatings from Argentina!
Finally a new (to be) certified complex single that doesn't use a converted snowmobile motor and most importantly, not another pretty, underpowered LSA. Very surprising and well played move by Pipistrel. Really is gorgeous😍
cardinaldriver “converted snowmobile motor” was briefly used in the very early days of ultralights, that would be the seventies, 40 years ago! ALL engines being supported by all aircraft manufactures are purpose built aircraft engines. The only exception to that rule are a few independent engine builders selling car engine conversions and they advertise as such. Interesting to note that diamond aircraft produce two of their aircraft using converted car engines. Your comment does little to protect the integrity of aviation.
@@nick4506 Some people seem to stick in the past regarding engine developments. Rotax Aircraft engines is light years ahead of even this ancient Lycoming with mixture control.. Geez its 2020, fix that!
Lucas, keep the dream, kid! Get good grades in school, go to college (I recommend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, I'm an alum.), and if you want to fly some very awesome A/C, join the military. In my opinion, the US Navy. I was an F-14 RIO (Radar Intercept Officer), it was awesome. Unfortunately, there never will be another plane like the Tomcat, but there are some absolutely cool A/C to fly nowadays.
I haven't been the PIC in years due to medical issues. But this makes me so desperately want to be able to fly again. Such an absolutely beautiful bird!
Panthera really is a wow elegant-looking aircraft. Yet the empennage looks like it’s connected with a toothpick. I might have have trust issues with it flying in weather. Beautiful video!
Nice first flight. Looks like there is plenty of opportunity for further development: E.g. Known icing, turbocharging, pressurization, STOL, etc. I will follow its development.
I think this is a trend setter aircraft. For the money, getting that kind of performance with that fuel burn is a market disrupter. I'll be curious how other companies clean up their designs for better efficiencies to compete.
For the money you could get the new DA-50 RG or an SR22 or even a twin like a new DA-42. I'm trying to work out who on earth would buy this for well over half a million dollars. Also the 3 aircraft I mentioned will all be bought second hand by air schools, rental companies and other businesses. It'll be way harder to shift this Panthera, plus you won't have the extensive maintenance support network of the bigger brands. I think this will flop.
Market disrupter among the ultra-elite and commercial, sure. The $500,000+ price premium over a merely "great" aircraft nullifies the fuel burn/speed advantage for at least 99.9% of private pilots I'm sure.
@@mrscreamer379 that da50 rg really looks impressive. I think your kind of right since it looks like the DA will be certified and I assume this is experimental only for now? The draw of experimental is lower cost and the ability to modify it without all the read tape. I feel like a experimental that runs on LL avgas would be a huge turn off for me. One of the exciting things for me with experimentals is running them on car gas. The DA is just as good or even better running on JetA since that stuff is available nearly everywhere (though a little more $$ than var pump gas). I have to say, that da50 is looking like my new hang a poster on the wall "halo" aircraft. If I win the lotto or get lucky in the market ;)
Lets remember this is an all CF airframe which will always equate to uber acquisition costs. Liberty Aerospace XL-2 , two seat CF fuse LSA modeled after the Europa ended up a whopping $130,000.00. Their main startup mission was to offer an aircraft for less than 100G. Huge little failure for them. And I havent seen one in the air. China bought a few for flight schools, but the Panthera makes that thing look terrible by comparison. This little plane will do great, because it LOOKS great. Lots of ppl care about that i guess. Give me a 152 Aerobat or a 177 and im in heaven.
@@cardinaldriver i dont know about the CF issue damning something to expensive forever. I remember when CF was essentially military only and more expensive then titanium. Now we have people working with it in their garage and its commonly seen in a number of hobbies. As for the cessna 152 comment, really? I mean, good for you I guess. I trained in a 152 and its fine for that but GA pilots and the GA fleet is aging quickly. It *needs* young blood to keep it alive and grow it and you know where I'm seeing it all? Experimental. Its cheaper, you can "mod" them without a senate hearing involved and their faster/more efficient. You should have seen the look on a friends face when explaining the flight sim 2020 to him. He was checking out the 172 and asked what "mixture" was all about. I explained that its still extremely common for GA aircraft to not only be carborated but for you to manually control the mixture. As a car guy he was stunned. You would think in 2020 we would be using single control throttles with automated mixtures (and some new planes with more modern powerplants have it). Things that cost pennies in a toy drone are 10,000$ addons for a certified aircraft. A brand new, MSRP cessna 150 in 1966 cost 6995$ or 56,000$ in todays money. So you could buy a brand new aircraft for the price of a middle of the pack luxury sedan or a large SUV or pickup truck. The same style aircraft is 8-10 times that price now. And when you look at the same identical piece of avionics and the certified version is 10,000$ and the experimental version is 3700$ it begins to tell you where the problem might be. When looking at the (remote) possibility of buying an aircraft its easy to see the used prices of some certified aircraft and think its within reach until you find the running costs and maintenance costs. Then contrast that with some of these homebuilts running on pump gas at 6-8 gph and more power, its an even hard to swallow pill. Heck, a swiss company makes a LSA 2 seater that costs 215k$, has a top speed of 195mph and can cruise at 120mph burning 6L per hour (1.5 gallons per hour) or a more realistic 75% cruise @ 180mph with 17L or 4.5 gallons per hour! The CEO flew it across the atlantic (Risen, which is a dumb name for a plane but thats beside the point). Ill probably be dead before we really see much change outside the experimental realm, but maybe LSA will get revamped and we will end up seeing finished, new, aircraft in the 80-120k range. Still not cheap but also not "ha ha, never gonna happen" dream world price either.
The claim that Cirrus aircraft are difficult to recover from a spin is an urban legend. They didn’t have to demonstrate a spin recovery for the FAA because of the chute, but in Europe they required Cirrus demonstrate spin recovery. Over 60 spins & recoveries showed that 1) it’s hard to get a cirrus to spin because of their spin resistant wing design, 2) recovery from spin was normal, really no different than spin recovery in any other GA aircraft and no significant altitude loss compared to similar GA aircraft
That is not quite accurate. EASA did an abbreviated spin series-60 spins as you note, which is far far less than what is required per FAR 23. Look up the FAR 23 spin matrix requirements-it can easily take hundreds or even thousands of spins to satisfy the matrix requirements. For example, Columbia spent over a year doing spin certification testing on the 400, with multiple configuration changes, before they could produce a design which was conforming. They ended up performing something like 2,000-3,000 spins during this process. Lots of time, and lots of money spent. The EASA test pilot noted that the SR20 [they did not test an SR22] recovery characteristics were not typical for GA. I have tried to find a copy of the March 2004 report online, so far no luck [although I have read it previously]but here is a quote from the report which illustrates what I am talking about [quote is available on this thread-philip.greenspun.com/flying/cirrus-sr20]: "Once in a spin the SR20 and SR22 are challenging to recover, according to the test pilots. An EASA report from March 2004 describes some spin entries and recoveries done by a company expert test pilot. Despite the fact that they always recovered within one turn, "Altitude loss from spin entry to recovery ranged from 1,200-1,800 feet." Furthermore, "The Cirrus test pilot performing the spin program noted that while all spins entered were recoverable, they required a method of spin recovery that, while not unique in light general aviation airplanes, is different from that of a light trainer airplane in which a pilot is likely to receive spin training. ... While a small percentage of Cirrus pilots may be able to successfully recover from an inadvertent spin, Cirrus contends that the far larger portion of pilots would not do so in a surprise departure spin situation." This is not to imply that BRS does not provide an equivalent level of safety-considering the skill level and lack of aerobatic training amongst the GA pilot population, the chances of a successful spin recovery are likely far less than having a successful outcome by pulling the red handle. But whenever I read statements to the effect that the SR2X were "Spin certified in Europe" I think it is worth pointing out the differences between FAR23 spin certification and the very limited spin testing done by EASA.
Those that have tried have cried as they pulled the chute. An Australian Cirrus salesman told the customer it could be done in his brand new plane. They finally had to pull the chute when he couldn't recover it no matter what he did. Look up the Panthera doing a full 10 spin recovery with 4 people aboard in it's test phase. Came out of it like a fighter jet, simply amazing to watch. th-cam.com/video/9e31q09AksA/w-d-xo.html Here's the video link:
I think the later models had some aerodynamic changes that helped it recover from a spin. And I think most of the cirrus accidents are low level spins. Th cirrus isn’t the only one out there that has the reputation either, also the Grumman tiger.
@@FloridaFlying I could afford a used Cirrus, and I have flown one. I simply don't trust the plane. I learned in a Diamond DA40. It's too small for me, but it looks like the Panthera a bit, especially the T Tail. Just love your plane and if I ever buy another one, it's at the top of my list. That Australian incident btw was in 2017 or 18, so not that long ago. I was living there at the time it happened.
The cirrus is a great plane actually, and I used to be one of those who would poke a little fun at them. Maybe I still do... but the SR22T has great numbers and it’s surprisingly fast. It just seems to attract a lot of people who find themselves with money and then decide to get into flying. Then there are pilots who will go broke just to be able to fly. I gotta say though, I think the panthera is going to give them a run for their money. The useful load and overall comfort (and looks) is amazing There is not a single plane out there that I want to fail or end production. If the cirrus attracts more people to aviation then I am all for it
This is by far the prettiest GA plane. I wonder if Pipistrel will offer any additional engine options. Forward visibility is a slight concern with that high cowl & sloping cockpit, but with those technical specs & handling characteristics, I know a lot of people would be willing to ignore that.
They did well, but to really slip the surly bonds of Earth and climb above the sun-split clouds, they need to offer a turbo 540 and preferably a pressurized cabin. That would take it to new heights, speed, and comfort.
@@UncleKennysPlace It means everything to some people. Specially now Cirrus is storing all your flight data to report on you in their data cloud in the 2020 models. do you really want China to be tracking you?
@@randuxy china is short for CIA, they all work together fooling the masses via Freemasonry. Just enjoy your life on Earth and learn to trust your eyes and not the tv!
@@ranat5526 CIA is short for Central Intelligence Agency. It's a US agency. Sometime you wonder just how deluded some people can get... Some really surreal s#it...
What makes me happy is that Cirrus has now a strong competition, and finally will make their plane pressurized. Also the Cirrus will have probably soon a Diesel engine too. On the other side, Pipistrel does have a huge government (or EU) research contribution for electrical engine, so in the long time we will have an electrical Panthera.
@@VNtergon The Panthera is $650,000 four seater with a 190kt max cruise (using the largest of two Lycoming engine offered at 260hp). It has a laughable 54 gallon gas tank which equals a range far under 900 nm. The useful load is 950lbs btw thanks to the lack of FOB. It is NOT a good thing that it it's max gross is 2900lbs btw. The lighter the plane the easier it gets tossed around in the weather. The $920k Cirrus SR22T seats five has a1280 useful load and 315hp engine and a max gross of 3600lbs. The SR22T max cruise of 205kts and a 92 gallon gas tank yields a range of 1020 nm. The SR22 is $780 btw and is comparable to the Panthera in performance but beats it in useful load and range also. The real reason no one will buy the Panthera, other than it's meager performance stats is the retractable gear. Mooney is bankrupt using them...no modern piston single has them for good reason. Insurance companies HATE them and you will pay punishing rates in planes having them (worth it in jets and turboprops, not worth it for piston singles). And no insurance company will even write a policy until you have 100 hours logged in a plane with retractable...a steep cost for most.
@@speedomars you forget about fuel consumption and full fuel payload, but who cares right?) Doubt retractable gear is a problem for any country other than US.
@@VNtergon The weight of 100LL is 6 pounds per gallon. The Cirrus 315hp SR22T burns 16 gph at 75% power yielding 185kts in still air. The Panthera's 26hp engine burns 15 gph at 75% power and says they can get 180 kts from that...(the Panthera picks up 2 kts from the retractable gear and 2 kts from it's drag profile over the Cirrus fixed gear). Still the fuel burn is reflected in the slight difference in max cruise speeds with the Cirrus slightly faster burning 1 gph more. The odd thing is by reducing the fuel on board (hurting range ) they should gain big on useful load, yet the useful load is still less than the Cirrus.
If they do, I would hold off and see what the Petrincic Bros from Slovenia would say on their TH-cam channel. Those guys are fun to watch and listen to, even if you are not interesting in rc planes. They crack me up with their knowledge of English idioms and make up some of their own. They call the center of gravity a "G-spot" and biplanes "bi-sexual".
My Cozy IV 4 seat canard cruises at 170 kn and uses 6.5 GPH at that speed. It has 1200 kn mi range with reserve. It cost 1/10 the price as a used 400 hr airplane.
Great airplane, I've been following development on this for a few years. I'd like to see it with a Lycoming ie2 engine in it. Fuel efficient AND turbochared AND FADEC controller. Longer legs, better power, longer engine life. Plus, ,with an O2 system, flight into the FLs.
Sure, add a load more $$ to the purchase price for the ie2 engine. Minus another 100lbs useful load and increased operating costs for the turbo engine (cracked cylinders etc). Add all the other crap and you're down to 500nm range and the same useful load as a Mooney...
@@abel4776 what leads you to believe that an iE2 would cost as much, maintenance-wise, as a turboprop? There is no basis for that statement. The iE2 currently powers two aircraft the Lanciar Evolution and the Tecnam P2012. SInce the iE2 is built around the core of the IO-540, it should not be significanlty more to maintain and overhaul than the TSIO-540 found in the Piper Malibu. The initial cost will be more, maybe up to 40% more (I saw some figures that said $100,00-120,000, but can't find anything in current pricing). So, to say that is is near the same cost as a turboprop is wildly inaccurate. The overhaul cost on a PT-6, as of 2019, should be in the vicinity of $200,000-250,000, while the hot section inspection can run upwards of $40,000! A piston powered overhaul, with turbos and such, will run you about what the hot section on the PT-6 costs, but that's an overhaul, not an inspection. So, I have no idea where you are getting your ideas from, but they certainly aren't based in any reality I'm aware of. Would you like to back up your statement, please?
Your videos are getting better and better!! The content you manage to drum up is always fresh and interesting. Thank you for taking the time to share your passion bud!! I for one truly appreciate that!👊
Since it is a plane in production I don’t think parts are going to be an issue. And with how common the engine is you’ll be able to keep it running forever
@@FloridaFlying Yes plane is in production for other non US markets the reason why wasn't available in the US was a problem with certification. Pipistrel want to use a normal car petrol for the Pantera to reduce costs even more but there was some issues around certifications for the US market
Beautiful plane but way outside of my budget:) I fly out to Oklahoma next weekend to buy a Beechcraft Sierra as our first family plane. I have flown into Inverness many times doing touch and go practice so I'll have to keep an eye out for it in the future when I fly out of my home base of Kissimmee.
Perfect for short business trips, not expensive for the luxury and performance it offers P.S.: I live less than 0.5km/0.3mi from the local airport and Pipi's factory and admired those planes since prototyping stages, so I feel obligated to praise it :PPP
I do really like this plane. And you are right, you are the exclusive dealer for the entirety of the Americas. Meaning the only DEALER. For me, that is a real problem with respect to service and warranty claims. You guys need a larger dealer network to have any hope of making this a real option for the mass market.
Youre right, don't know what happened to FADEC for pistons. A Lycoming O-235-L2C was used in the Liberty Aerospace XL-2 and it was a wonderful, magneto-less gem of a motor. Not sure if Lycoming stopped research on this feature, but there isn't many new certified aircraft that offer it. At least with Contis and Lycs.
@@soravulpis96 Nope, you're wrong. Utterly, insanely wrong. We need more, more computers on our airplanes, because it IMMENSELY raises safety and effectiveness. They alleviate pilot's distraction - the main enemy up there in the skies. Computer systems on planes, alas, fail and do kill people now and then. But statistically computers fail hundreds times rarer than human pilots. It's just a matter of the disquieting fact that you're kind of dependent on that "thing" rather than on yourself. But trusting yourself can kill you or your beloved ones. You are almost a computer as well. Way more complicated one. With millions of subsystems to fail. By contrast with digital aeronautical systems you were not created for "driving" an airplane at all. You may get yourself a wooden plane from the 1920-s and be happy flying it. You may stop using GPS and go to paper maps (in car driving as well), you may gather a 'digitalless club' and troll new coming systems with clubmates. But stating "You don't need FADEC" is an overkill.
Ace. Like ADS-B, TCAS, TAWS and other safety equipment right? Good grief. I will certainly admit that vehicles are getting a little overboard with some things, but many of them are for safety reasons. And in aircraft I certainly see that as a good thing. Technology is coming whether you like it or not my friend so you mays we’ll embrace the wonders of automated aviation. If trained and used properly, it is far superior to old technology. I still own several classic muscle cars with mechanical fuel pumps and analog gauges as well as several diesel vehicles you can start and run with three wires, so yes, I get it.
Aleksandr Nestrato Not true are all. Many of us have lots of flight hours in GA aircraft with no FADEC. It could be a “nice to have”, but 100% not needed. FADEC will not really prevent pilot distractions, but it WILL cause their situational awareness of the engine and its parameters to fall out of frequent checks and monitoring.
The spin discussion is interesting. I learned about the parachute issue that cirrus is dependent on in my advanced aerodynamics classes. Is the panthera’s certification reliant on a parachute as well? You mentioned that it recovers from a spin better than a cirrus, but the wing design would tell me otherwise, especially if a parachute is required.
Is the cabin pressurized? What is the ceiling? I noticed that the doors need to be cracked open to cool down the cabin on the ground. There is no engine driven A/C? What is the range?
I've always liked the Pipestrels especially this one. I can only imagine it's flight characteristics are very similar to the DA40. Love the performance numbers though. I own an SR22 and its probably one of my least favorite aircraft to fly. The only thing about this is the cluttered feeling of the panels. I wish they would clean it up just a bit.
So glad to see this finally available. This was my #1 choice for an airplane for several years. The Cirrus didn't fit my mission profile. Ironic that now it's finally available, I've hung up flying PPL and focus entirely on FPV.
Thank you Slovenia 🇸🇮 for creating this aircraft.
You know you're flying something special when the ATC asks if they can come out and take a look at it. Very very nice plane.
I don't think it was the ATC. It was a non tower airport.
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Yea except for one thing, the tail end of the plane was designed for the slower speed which the io-390 could give, now with the 540 the tail is still the same and , “”hasn’t””been reinforced to save costs. That’s why the never exceed speed is so close to the high speed cruise number. The FAA has to get on their case and make them apply more layers of carbon to that skinny tail boom before it gets certified.
@@tropicthndr projected cruise speed with IO-390 was about the same. It was close to Vne, too. And why should it be any other way?
Thanks to everyone for the great flight review. This aircraft is amazing and well-deserved of all of the incredibly positive comments and feedback.
I had been dreaming to see the Panthera in person, let alone fly in one! The Alpha was really great too. I am honestly impressed by the pipistrel aircraft
Will a pair of skiis fit in the back?
@@anewrnn yes Elan Voyager will 👍
Michael, are you coming to Oshkosh?
@@FloridaFlying ORLyk oooo
Gotta say: as a non pilot, but one who fantasizes about flying my own, I've watched m a n y takeoffs and landings from #2seat.
This video shows a (seemingly) luxuriously fluid and responsive flight from start up to landing. Thanks for the ride.
Very very nice.
I agree it's right up there with my favorite warbirds.
More questions & answers would've been great. Interviewer seemed a bit light & quiet with discussion. I'd like to see some maneuvers, perhaps that easy-to-exit spin, stalls, steep turns, gear & flap cycles. Is air conditioning an option? Does the BRS destroy the fuselage? How easy is landing, what are V speeds, etc? Unique things about the exterior/interior, blah, blah. It's a fine video & a wonderful-looking plane, it's just the interview & demo could've been more extensive & intensive.
I remember posting this to my Facebook wall in maybe 2014 - great to see it out there flying - good luck guys!
Dam I was saving up for a hang glider, now this comes out. I'm going to have to have a few more lemonade stands opened up.
You sold enough lemonade yet?
@@howey935 He's gonna have to sell heroin. By the pound :)
Yeah I'm all about lemonaid,I'll be your partner.
Yeah, I'm all about lemonade I'll be your partner
@@devilsoffspring5519 😂😂😂😂
Gorgeous little airplane - now just need 2 things - pilots license and 600K :(
I remember when I first saw this plane a few years ago when it was a prototype. Im still in love with it! It motivates me to get my license and keep going until I too can fly my own one.
Looking for a plane to fly around the world and break records. Think I found it! Thanks for the video!!
Pipistrel are one of the best ga guys out there!
Really like the design of this aircraft. Saving up to fly one-in MSFS 2020.
at 3:57 the camera is about 3 inches above the crew eye level and the visibility straight ahead is barely acceptable which means it may not be to the crew. the right seater is tilting his head up to see straight ahead so in climb out it may be "IFR" as in all the climb out and even level views i like for example at 12:40...feels like it was white out so we couldnt see what the vis really is like
One of the two favorite planes to fly in Microsoft Flight Simulator.
Not just a plane but a piece of Art! Picasso
At my calculations this is insanely efficient. It’s doing essentially 20mpg at over 200mph! Amazing. Would really pay off for certain lifestyles.
yeah, it's crazy.
You are spot-on, it's just amazing. I am in supprised more people are not flying in this day in age.
@@LouisianaNative13 bro we can barely afford rent (most of us) getting into flying is a pipe dream for most people.
you don't measure a plane in mpg's you measure a plane in cost per hour of flight, and this one isnt chbeap with the titanium landing gear and composite structure. titanium and carbon fiber hate each other and will corrode faster than aluminum and steel
@@ElevatedVehicles That's supposed to be anyone else's problem? Do you also complain when billionaires drop what someone makes in a year on something trivial and that they will throw? F your rent.
I grew up about a quarter of a mile south of this airport on Hwy 41. In the late 50s and 60s it was a grass strip and I would sneak down there and watch whatever traffic there was from the treelike and dream of flying. My house was in the pattern, I would be plowing or discing with a tractor and watch them fly overhead. Used Inverness as one of my legs for my private and commercial fixed wing licenses AND my helicopter/rotorcraft license. Need to come over and have a closer look at this aircraft.
"blessed" Loved that! Exactly! It's awesome that he recognized this.
I flew the Tecnan p2002 Deluxe and as every Pipistrel plane, is an fuel economic plane, awesome to fly, loyal and fun little plane! I am really looking foward for flying the panthera. Greatings from Argentina!
Finally a 200 knot beauty! Pretty sure I need one!
OMG - freaking gorgeous 🛩
I want to learn to fly a small plane like this. I’ve always been so interested in planes.
11:00 Chute / Cirrus /Panthera / Stall Spin Recovery.
Finally a new (to be) certified complex single that doesn't use a converted snowmobile motor and most importantly, not another pretty, underpowered LSA. Very surprising and well played move by Pipistrel. Really is gorgeous😍
cardinaldriver “converted snowmobile motor” was briefly used in the very early days of ultralights, that would be the seventies, 40 years ago! ALL engines being supported by all aircraft manufactures are purpose built aircraft engines. The only exception to that rule are a few independent engine builders selling car engine conversions and they advertise as such. Interesting to note that diamond aircraft produce two of their aircraft using converted car engines. Your comment does little to protect the integrity of aviation.
@@waynetokarz174 Rotax also makes snowmobile engines. also, do you think cardinaldriver cares about the integrity of aviation?
You need to have a look at the DA50 RG
Francis Molloy amen to that, those Austro engines are awesome
@@nick4506 Some people seem to stick in the past regarding engine developments. Rotax Aircraft engines is light years ahead of even this ancient Lycoming with mixture control.. Geez its 2020, fix that!
I just love how you randomly expect what we want to see. Nice airplane.
That is perfection! Sleek, and stunning. Well done!
Beautiful and graceful looking aircraft.
Just caught this vid and blown away - what a beauty!
I am 13 now but when i have my pilot license i wil have one of these in my hangar
start saving now!
Now that you know whatt you want for yourself, start thinking what others may want from you, and how to provide it.
Lucas, keep the dream, kid! Get good grades in school, go to college (I recommend Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University, I'm an alum.), and if you want to fly some very awesome A/C, join the military. In my opinion, the US Navy. I was an F-14 RIO (Radar Intercept Officer), it was awesome. Unfortunately, there never will be another plane like the Tomcat, but there are some absolutely cool A/C to fly nowadays.
Nice plane, I love the opening too, flowers, when the hell do we ever get to see flowers,
cool twist for a youtube video.
Such a beautiful airplane I personally would like the horizontal stabilizer to be in your traditional location but still an amazing looking airplane.
This little airplane performances and is designe is outstanding.
I realy love the cockpit display. Thank for shearing this upload.
I haven't been the PIC in years due to medical issues. But this makes me so desperately want to be able to fly again. Such an absolutely beautiful bird!
Same here
Second ditto.
OMGOODNESS 😮 that sounds so freaking nice on landing , what a deal you get so much for the money ❤
Absolutely beautiful airplane. The design is gorgeous. It's videos like these, that are really inspiring me to go to flight school.
Panthera really is a wow elegant-looking aircraft. Yet the empennage looks like it’s connected with a toothpick. I might have have trust issues with it flying in weather. Beautiful video!
I only need about $649,850 more and this will be mine.
MountainHobbler - This little gem cost very close to a million canuck bucks here in the GreatWhiteNorth.
Maybe you can get a deal!
Wasn't Rumpelstiltskin from Slovenia?
or a nice gawk gawk twist spit 3000
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Ill send some dollars to help you get to $649.850 ,,doesnt hurt to dream
Nice first flight. Looks like there is plenty of opportunity for further development: E.g. Known icing, turbocharging, pressurization, STOL, etc. I will follow its development.
I think this is a trend setter aircraft. For the money, getting that kind of performance with that fuel burn is a market disrupter. I'll be curious how other companies clean up their designs for better efficiencies to compete.
For the money you could get the new DA-50 RG or an SR22 or even a twin like a new DA-42. I'm trying to work out who on earth would buy this for well over half a million dollars. Also the 3 aircraft I mentioned will all be bought second hand by air schools, rental companies and other businesses. It'll be way harder to shift this Panthera, plus you won't have the extensive maintenance support network of the bigger brands. I think this will flop.
Market disrupter among the ultra-elite and commercial, sure. The $500,000+ price premium over a merely "great" aircraft nullifies the fuel burn/speed advantage for at least 99.9% of private pilots I'm sure.
@@mrscreamer379 that da50 rg really looks impressive. I think your kind of right since it looks like the DA will be certified and I assume this is experimental only for now? The draw of experimental is lower cost and the ability to modify it without all the read tape. I feel like a experimental that runs on LL avgas would be a huge turn off for me. One of the exciting things for me with experimentals is running them on car gas. The DA is just as good or even better running on JetA since that stuff is available nearly everywhere (though a little more $$ than var pump gas).
I have to say, that da50 is looking like my new hang a poster on the wall "halo" aircraft. If I win the lotto or get lucky in the market ;)
Lets remember this is an all CF airframe which will always equate to uber acquisition costs. Liberty Aerospace XL-2 , two seat CF fuse LSA modeled after the Europa ended up a whopping $130,000.00. Their main startup mission was to offer an aircraft for less than 100G. Huge little failure for them. And I havent seen one in the air. China bought a few for flight schools, but the Panthera makes that thing look terrible by comparison. This little plane will do great, because it LOOKS great. Lots of ppl care about that i guess. Give me a 152 Aerobat or a 177 and im in heaven.
@@cardinaldriver i dont know about the CF issue damning something to expensive forever. I remember when CF was essentially military only and more expensive then titanium. Now we have people working with it in their garage and its commonly seen in a number of hobbies.
As for the cessna 152 comment, really? I mean, good for you I guess. I trained in a 152 and its fine for that but GA pilots and the GA fleet is aging quickly. It *needs* young blood to keep it alive and grow it and you know where I'm seeing it all? Experimental. Its cheaper, you can "mod" them without a senate hearing involved and their faster/more efficient.
You should have seen the look on a friends face when explaining the flight sim 2020 to him. He was checking out the 172 and asked what "mixture" was all about. I explained that its still extremely common for GA aircraft to not only be carborated but for you to manually control the mixture. As a car guy he was stunned. You would think in 2020 we would be using single control throttles with automated mixtures (and some new planes with more modern powerplants have it). Things that cost pennies in a toy drone are 10,000$ addons for a certified aircraft. A brand new, MSRP cessna 150 in 1966 cost 6995$ or 56,000$ in todays money. So you could buy a brand new aircraft for the price of a middle of the pack luxury sedan or a large SUV or pickup truck. The same style aircraft is 8-10 times that price now. And when you look at the same identical piece of avionics and the certified version is 10,000$ and the experimental version is 3700$ it begins to tell you where the problem might be.
When looking at the (remote) possibility of buying an aircraft its easy to see the used prices of some certified aircraft and think its within reach until you find the running costs and maintenance costs. Then contrast that with some of these homebuilts running on pump gas at 6-8 gph and more power, its an even hard to swallow pill. Heck, a swiss company makes a LSA 2 seater that costs 215k$, has a top speed of 195mph and can cruise at 120mph burning 6L per hour (1.5 gallons per hour) or a more realistic 75% cruise @ 180mph with 17L or 4.5 gallons per hour! The CEO flew it across the atlantic (Risen, which is a dumb name for a plane but thats beside the point).
Ill probably be dead before we really see much change outside the experimental realm, but maybe LSA will get revamped and we will end up seeing finished, new, aircraft in the 80-120k range. Still not cheap but also not "ha ha, never gonna happen" dream world price either.
Excellent video!
Straight forward and to the point!
This plane is absolutely gorgeous. Thank you!
The claim that Cirrus aircraft are difficult to recover from a spin is an urban legend. They didn’t have to demonstrate a spin recovery for the FAA because of the chute, but in Europe they required Cirrus demonstrate spin recovery. Over 60 spins & recoveries showed that 1) it’s hard to get a cirrus to spin because of their spin resistant wing design, 2) recovery from spin was normal, really no different than spin recovery in any other GA aircraft and no significant altitude loss compared to similar GA aircraft
That is not quite accurate.
EASA did an abbreviated spin series-60 spins as you note, which is far far less than what is required per FAR 23. Look up the FAR 23 spin matrix requirements-it can easily take hundreds or even thousands of spins to satisfy the matrix requirements. For example, Columbia spent over a year doing spin certification testing on the 400, with multiple configuration changes, before they could produce a design which was conforming. They ended up performing something like 2,000-3,000 spins during this process. Lots of time, and lots of money spent.
The EASA test pilot noted that the SR20 [they did not test an SR22] recovery characteristics were not typical for GA. I have tried to find a copy of the March 2004 report online, so far no luck [although I have read it previously]but here is a quote from the report which illustrates what I am talking about [quote is available on this thread-philip.greenspun.com/flying/cirrus-sr20]:
"Once in a spin the SR20 and SR22 are challenging to recover, according to the test pilots. An EASA report from March 2004 describes some spin entries and recoveries done by a company expert test pilot. Despite the fact that they always recovered within one turn, "Altitude loss from spin entry to recovery ranged from 1,200-1,800 feet." Furthermore, "The Cirrus test pilot performing the spin program noted that while all spins entered were recoverable, they required a method of spin recovery that, while not unique in light general aviation airplanes, is different from that of a light trainer airplane in which a pilot is likely to receive spin training. ... While a small percentage of Cirrus pilots may be able to successfully recover from an inadvertent spin, Cirrus contends that the far larger portion of pilots would not do so in a surprise departure spin situation."
This is not to imply that BRS does not provide an equivalent level of safety-considering the skill level and lack of aerobatic training amongst the GA pilot population, the chances of a successful spin recovery are likely far less than having a successful outcome by pulling the red handle. But whenever I read statements to the effect that the SR2X were "Spin certified in Europe" I think it is worth pointing out the differences between FAR23 spin certification and the very limited spin testing done by EASA.
Those that have tried have cried as they pulled the chute. An Australian Cirrus salesman told the customer it could be done in his brand new plane. They finally had to pull the chute when he couldn't recover it no matter what he did. Look up the Panthera doing a full 10 spin recovery with 4 people aboard in it's test phase. Came out of it like a fighter jet, simply amazing to watch. th-cam.com/video/9e31q09AksA/w-d-xo.html Here's the video link:
I think the later models had some aerodynamic changes that helped it recover from a spin. And I think most of the cirrus accidents are low level spins. Th cirrus isn’t the only one out there that has the reputation either, also the Grumman tiger.
@@FloridaFlying I could afford a used Cirrus, and I have flown one. I simply don't trust the plane. I learned in a Diamond DA40. It's too small for me, but it looks like the Panthera a bit, especially the T Tail. Just love your plane and if I ever buy another one, it's at the top of my list. That Australian incident btw was in 2017 or 18, so not that long ago. I was living there at the time it happened.
The cirrus is a great plane actually, and I used to be one of those who would poke a little fun at them. Maybe I still do... but the SR22T has great numbers and it’s surprisingly fast. It just seems to attract a lot of people who find themselves with money and then decide to get into flying. Then there are pilots who will go broke just to be able to fly. I gotta say though, I think the panthera is going to give them a run for their money. The useful load and overall comfort (and looks) is amazing
There is not a single plane out there that I want to fail or end production. If the cirrus attracts more people to aviation then I am all for it
DAYUM - that thing is GORGEOUS! Much better looking than the Cirrus. I wish the manufacturer great success. Great job on the review and video as well.
Looking for a plane to fly around the world and break records. Think I found it! Thanks for the video!!
With it’s great useful load and efficiency it would make an excellent global flyer!
Dayummm, good luck ma dude
@@FloridaFlying whats it’s luggage capacity with four “standard adults” seated and full fuel? Really curious!
The views in-flight are incredible! Your video-editing skills are fabulous! Thanks for this video.
I can’t believe you guys were in my home town! Love the video!! I would love to see her in person!
Anyone in the market for a new plane right now, good for you, keep grinding.
I love this so much more than Cirrus. Amazing.
And $100K less
Aaaah, this 360 degree inside Camera is Great! Superb Video.
I'll take 2, one painted mid night black named "I am the storm" 1 painted gloss silver aluminum named "Can't touch this" What a beautiful plane.
bruh shut the fuck up
Nice plane 👍 Which engine? H.p.?
Lycoming IO-540V 260 HP
fifi23o5 thanks 😊
Aweaome airplane. I wouldn't call 540 cu inches "much smaller displacement" than 550.
thats awesome that you got james spader to show you the plane
*writes ‘buy this’ in bucket list*
Yeah, we are proud of our Pipistrel, they are one of the best!
Bomb plane! Wow! Such a cool profile! Thanks for posting
What a great airplane. Nice. Really an option against the Cirrus.
Will become a trainer aircraft when it's cheap enough in 70 years. Only problem is, i'll be dead by then.
This is by far the prettiest GA plane. I wonder if Pipistrel will offer any additional engine options. Forward visibility is a slight concern with that high cowl & sloping cockpit, but with those technical specs & handling characteristics, I know a lot of people would be willing to ignore that.
10:38 So... the most efficient cruise setting is when you get the prop to look perfectly still. Got it!
Beautiful plane,I love planes and also flying.
They did well, but to really slip the surly bonds of Earth and climb above the sun-split clouds, they need to offer a turbo 540 and preferably a pressurized cabin. That would take it to new heights, speed, and comfort.
I shows lot working hard and scientific with dedication to design such an aircraft, congrationss👍
Would like to see close ups and explanations of avionics.
Sleek and elegant, like a goose in the air... Best Wishes from India...
bobs and vagene
Finally a Cool Modern Aircraft that is not Owned by China, like Cirrus , and Diamond aircraft are.
The ownership by China means nothing. I'm considering a Diamond, because you can actually buy one now.
@@UncleKennysPlace It means everything to some people. Specially now Cirrus is storing all your flight data to report on you in their data cloud in the 2020 models. do you really want China to be tracking you?
@@randuxy china is short for CIA, they all work together fooling the masses via Freemasonry. Just enjoy your life on Earth and learn to trust your eyes and not the tv!
@@ranat5526 I agree
@@ranat5526 CIA is short for Central Intelligence Agency. It's a US agency. Sometime you wonder just how deluded some people can get... Some really surreal s#it...
Another awesome video Pedro!
Thank you Matt!
What makes me happy is that Cirrus has now a strong competition, and finally will make their plane pressurized. Also the Cirrus will have probably soon a Diesel engine too. On the other side, Pipistrel does have a huge government (or EU) research contribution for electrical engine, so in the long time we will have an electrical Panthera.
Cirrus has no competition. Their product is plainly superior in every way. It is a complete product. Both Diamond and Pipistrel are far behind.
@@speedomars superior? You mean heavier with less payload? Or you mean its a lot more expensive?)
@@VNtergon The Panthera is $650,000 four seater with a 190kt max cruise (using the largest of two Lycoming engine offered at 260hp). It has a laughable 54 gallon gas tank which equals a range far under 900 nm. The useful load is 950lbs btw thanks to the lack of FOB. It is NOT a good thing that it it's max gross is 2900lbs btw. The lighter the plane the easier it gets tossed around in the weather. The $920k Cirrus SR22T seats five has a1280 useful load and 315hp engine and a max gross of 3600lbs. The SR22T max cruise of 205kts and a 92 gallon gas tank yields a range of 1020 nm. The SR22 is $780 btw and is comparable to the Panthera in performance but beats it in useful load and range also.
The real reason no one will buy the Panthera, other than it's meager performance stats is the retractable gear. Mooney is bankrupt using them...no modern piston single has them for good reason. Insurance companies HATE them and you will pay punishing rates in planes having them (worth it in jets and turboprops, not worth it for piston singles). And no insurance company will even write a policy until you have 100 hours logged in a plane with retractable...a steep cost for most.
@@speedomars you forget about fuel consumption and full fuel payload, but who cares right?) Doubt retractable gear is a problem for any country other than US.
@@VNtergon The weight of 100LL is 6 pounds per gallon. The Cirrus 315hp SR22T burns 16 gph at 75% power yielding 185kts in still air. The Panthera's 26hp engine burns 15 gph at 75% power and says they can get 180 kts from that...(the Panthera picks up 2 kts from the retractable gear and 2 kts from it's drag profile over the Cirrus fixed gear). Still the fuel burn is reflected in the slight difference in max cruise speeds with the Cirrus slightly faster burning 1 gph more. The odd thing is by reducing the fuel on board (hurting range ) they should gain big on useful load, yet the useful load is still less than the Cirrus.
can't wait for the RC version !!! that is as close as I'll ever get !!! Come on Eflight make it !!!
If they do, I would hold off and see what the Petrincic Bros from Slovenia would say on their TH-cam channel. Those guys are fun to watch and listen to, even if you are not interesting in rc planes. They crack me up with their knowledge of English idioms and make up some of their own. They call the center of gravity a "G-spot" and biplanes "bi-sexual".
This model so brautiful, love it
My Cozy IV 4 seat canard cruises at 170 kn and uses 6.5 GPH at that speed. It has 1200 kn mi range with reserve. It cost 1/10 the price as a used 400 hr airplane.
Great airplane, I've been following development on this for a few years.
I'd like to see it with a Lycoming ie2 engine in it. Fuel efficient AND turbochared AND FADEC controller. Longer legs, better power, longer engine life. Plus, ,with an O2 system, flight into the FLs.
Gary C Want and afterburner to accompany that? 😂
Sure, add a load more $$ to the purchase price for the ie2 engine. Minus another 100lbs useful load and increased operating costs for the turbo engine (cracked cylinders etc). Add all the other crap and you're down to 500nm range and the same useful load as a Mooney...
@@abel4776 what leads you to believe that an iE2 would cost as much, maintenance-wise, as a turboprop? There is no basis for that statement. The iE2 currently powers two aircraft the Lanciar Evolution and the Tecnam P2012. SInce the iE2 is built around the core of the IO-540, it should not be significanlty more to maintain and overhaul than the TSIO-540 found in the Piper Malibu. The initial cost will be more, maybe up to 40% more (I saw some figures that said $100,00-120,000, but can't find anything in current pricing). So, to say that is is near the same cost as a turboprop is wildly inaccurate. The overhaul cost on a PT-6, as of 2019, should be in the vicinity of $200,000-250,000, while the hot section inspection can run upwards of $40,000! A piston powered overhaul, with turbos and such, will run you about what the hot section on the PT-6 costs, but that's an overhaul, not an inspection.
So, I have no idea where you are getting your ideas from, but they certainly aren't based in any reality I'm aware of. Would you like to back up your statement, please?
Great job with the production and editing, thanks a lot!
I bought this plane on X-plane 11 cool to see the real-life version of it!
Your videos are getting better and better!! The content you manage to drum up is always fresh and interesting. Thank you for taking the time to share your passion bud!! I for one truly appreciate that!👊
Dont worry hes not going hungry, makes lots of money from youtube
3:05 "And when we are taxiing down the runway like this I like to open the door a little and hope you don't notice that I just cut a hot fart."
Stop🤣
Wow! SO impressive! My dream plane!!
Italian design is the best!
Italian? What drug are you on?
How’s parts availability? That’d be my biggest concern with ownership.
Since it is a plane in production I don’t think parts are going to be an issue. And with how common the engine is you’ll be able to keep it running forever
@@FloridaFlying
Yes plane is in production for other non US markets the reason why wasn't available in the US was a problem with certification.
Pipistrel want to use a normal car petrol for the Pantera to reduce costs even more but there was some issues around certifications for the US market
Beautiful Aircraft .Thank you posting .
Beautiful plane but way outside of my budget:) I fly out to Oklahoma next weekend to buy a Beechcraft Sierra as our first family plane. I have flown into Inverness many times doing touch and go practice so I'll have to keep an eye out for it in the future when I fly out of my home base of Kissimmee.
Look at the RDD Lancair IV io-550. Way way cheaper and a hundred kts faster and nothing blocking the forward visibility.
Good looking plane. Think I saw you at Redbird today.
I can hear GC, the tower or ATC now: 'A Pantera? Wasn't that a car from the 70s?' No sir. It's a Panthera. 'A what?'
I hear it can turn on a dimebag
As a car buff of a certain age, I have a hard time putting the "h" in there when I say it.
For general aviation, i'm a huge mooney fan but I gotta admit it... I could totally see myself buying this (that is if I had the money).
Perfect for short business trips, not expensive for the luxury and performance it offers
P.S.: I live less than 0.5km/0.3mi from the local airport and Pipi's factory and admired those planes since prototyping stages, so I feel obligated to praise it :PPP
Wow. What an amazing aircraft.
God, this plane is my dream. It's so perfect
Love the MT 3 blade prop.
I used to work at Piper Airport. We would have called that plane slicker than hog slobbers.
I do really like this plane. And you are right, you are the exclusive dealer for the entirety of the Americas. Meaning the only DEALER. For me, that is a real problem with respect to service and warranty claims. You guys need a larger dealer network to have any hope of making this a real option for the mass market.
This looks like someone looked at Diamond, Mooney, and Cirrus and said "Yes, all of that."
Hey! It’s my friend Shu from MS! 😃. - a -
Fantastic video of an amazing bird! Thanks so much for doing this video.
Saddest thing: no FADEC for the engine.
It doesn't need to be a "Mooney killer", as Mooney has killed itself.
Youre right, don't know what happened to FADEC for pistons. A Lycoming O-235-L2C was used in the Liberty Aerospace XL-2 and it was a wonderful, magneto-less gem of a motor. Not sure if Lycoming stopped research on this feature, but there isn't many new certified aircraft that offer it. At least with Contis and Lycs.
You don't need FADEC. We need less computers and digital in airplanes and other critical and sensitive applications like automotive, not more.
@@soravulpis96
Nope, you're wrong. Utterly, insanely wrong.
We need more, more computers on our airplanes, because it IMMENSELY raises safety and effectiveness. They alleviate pilot's distraction - the main enemy up there in the skies.
Computer systems on planes, alas, fail and do kill people now and then. But statistically computers fail hundreds times rarer than human pilots. It's just a matter of the disquieting fact that you're kind of dependent on that "thing" rather than on yourself. But trusting yourself can kill you or your beloved ones. You are almost a computer as well. Way more complicated one. With millions of subsystems to fail. By contrast with digital aeronautical systems you were not created for "driving" an airplane at all.
You may get yourself a wooden plane from the 1920-s and be happy flying it. You may stop using GPS and go to paper maps (in car driving as well), you may gather a 'digitalless club' and troll new coming systems with clubmates. But stating "You don't need FADEC" is an overkill.
Ace. Like ADS-B, TCAS, TAWS and other safety equipment right? Good grief. I will certainly admit that vehicles are getting a little overboard with some things, but many of them are for safety reasons. And in aircraft I certainly see that as a good thing. Technology is coming whether you like it or not my friend so you mays we’ll embrace the wonders of automated aviation. If trained and used properly, it is far superior to old technology. I still own several classic muscle cars with mechanical fuel pumps and analog gauges as well as several diesel vehicles you can start and run with three wires, so yes, I get it.
Aleksandr Nestrato Not true are all. Many of us have lots of flight hours in GA aircraft with no FADEC. It could be a “nice to have”, but 100% not needed.
FADEC will not really prevent pilot distractions, but it WILL cause their situational awareness of the engine and its parameters to fall out of frequent checks and monitoring.
The spin discussion is interesting. I learned about the parachute issue that cirrus is dependent on in my advanced aerodynamics classes. Is the panthera’s certification reliant on a parachute as well? You mentioned that it recovers from a spin better than a cirrus, but the wing design would tell me otherwise, especially if a parachute is required.
“Wait until I get my money right”
Is you saying something...you can't tell me nothing 🎶
Is the cabin pressurized? What is the ceiling? I noticed that the doors need to be cracked open to cool down the cabin on the ground. There is no engine driven A/C? What is the range?
I've always liked the Pipestrels especially this one. I can only imagine it's flight characteristics are very similar to the DA40. Love the performance numbers though. I own an SR22 and its probably one of my least favorite aircraft to fly. The only thing about this is the cluttered feeling of the panels. I wish they would clean it up just a bit.
@@abel4776 i'd bet it's the side yoke, worst flight control ever put on plane ever
That beautiful little plane is fan friggen tastic!
So glad to see this finally available. This was my #1 choice for an airplane for several years. The Cirrus didn't fit my mission profile.
Ironic that now it's finally available, I've hung up flying PPL and focus entirely on FPV.
what a sales pitch................. best in the world........
1:35 the fuel burn is not similar to a 172.. 10 to 12 GPH is more like a Cessna 182! The 172 burns 7 to 9 GPH.
It's also 40+ knots faster than a 182 at that fuel flow...
Very nice equipment be safe and enjoy it
Really surprised about cost. Was expecting around $1M - $1.5M.