@ELJAY no skip said what type of player was Jalen. As demeaning as possible he combated with bringing up Skip basketball days. That was the arguement and that is why skip Lost
After this debate I got a lot more respect for Jalen Rose. H'es just pointing out the responsibilities of journalism because sometimes these guys do cross the line.
Dom Wilson What the hell are you talking about? Obviously being a PRO athlete provides a better perspective for people who’re not PRO athletes. That’s just a fact. Just look at how both Skip and S.A.S utterly disrespect and assasinate players characters. While Ex pros give a more informed opinion on topics.
@@forzaacmilan36 That's not true lots of former players go overboard in their criticism. Have you ever watched Charles Barkley? I believe he is a Hall of Fame NBA player.
Jalen made a great point about Jerry West going to 9 straight finals and losing all of them...yet he is still regarded as Mr. Clutch?...lol today we wouldn't let him walk down the street! he's so right.
@@rilyjonez because the point of a public figure is you release your life to the public...especially when it deals with your profession....why u think there's such thing as IGN and Yelp!!!...however the thing that happened here was skip caught Jalen's underlying point which was if you haven't played at this level u should shut up....so everytime they held him to that he would bring feelings involved as if....nicknames isn't a part of entertaining the sports media....how come he don't complain about the positive nicknames like the truth or primetime...hell deion loves that so much thats basically his first name.... Sometimes ppl say things without saying them....and skip and Steven A both caught Jalen making a terrible assumption and they held him to it....for example skip pointed out that many to most GMs and Coaches aren't ex players and if they were most weren't that good at it....because as skip said....when your great at something sometimes u missed the details of things because ur a natural....so yessss Jalen was wrong....he was just another men being on t.v and emotional.....how many times u think Jalen called someone a bum on and off da court...let's be honest
I’m not 100% on Rose’s side....I do agree that Rose insulting Skip was great and Skip DESERVED it!! But I disagree with Jalen on Kwame not being a scrub
@@mwcarolina to be fair he didn't say he wasn't a scrub, cause Brown was a BONAFIDE scrub but he said that he had to have some talent to be employed in the NBA and that he was not as good as his peers or compare to the great players of his era
To me Rose came off saying that Brown is worth playing in the nba...that was my issue with it. I’m great with what Rose said to Skip, really in my book THIS episode showed that Skip is a MAJOR hypocrite, but no doubt Brown was a scrub and really on that date, he shouldn’t have been playing in the nba
@@mikeh7220 Jerry West lost 9 straight finals yet no one ever holds that against him and he's the NBA Logo but they cream their pants at the fact that LeBron lost 6 finals... let that sink in.
@@mikeh7220Yes Jerry West definitely wasn't a bust, going 1-8 in the finals back then wasn't because he sucked. He lost because the Celtics were just better than everyone else, Wilt Chamberlain couldn't beat them either. The Celtics had Hall of Famers coming off the bench, that's just how great they were.
Skip got mad because Jalen called him bum basically but he sits on tv all day and calls dudes who are getting paid millions to do a job that not even 1 percent of the population can qualify for. Jalen basically gave Skip a small dose of his own medicine and he couldn't take it.
When they came back from commercial, Jalen killed Skip. "Are reporters fair game to criticize and slander like they do to athletes?" "Yeah!" "Well, that's what happened yesterday. 🤷🏾♂️" Silence...
Lol yep. And Jalen pretty much let out that they had to have this whole segment because Skip got hurt yesterday. Skip probably went to the executives crying saying that Jalen hurt his "great" reputation and the viewers won't respect him anymore lol. Like I don't know anybody who respects either Stephan A or Skip. I feel like people just watch them because they're loud and make an ass out of themselves and unfortunately, ESPN is basically the only legit 24hr sports channel and these idiots are on all the time. They trying to turn sports news into reality tv like gossip and bs.
@@arizonaFIREent I can't imagine growing up in "the hood". I've watched youtube videos of guys driving through hoods at night and gas stations... boyyyy boyyyy just terrifying
There's no way Jerry West would be Mr. Clutch, there's no way he'd be The Logo, 9 straight NBA Finals and lost?!? He wouldn't be able to walk down the street. #FactsOnly
@@akeemalston8044 exactly ... 3 for 8 and skip rips him every time he misses a free throw this guy went 0 for 9 but he the greatest but he is one thing lebron isn't and thats white
@@odysseus1660 he would if they were paying him what they should, I don’t even think they’ve flat out said it was him due to the money they would have to pay💯
@@ericcunningham9776 Stephen a really know there's athletes and know more than he says. Teammates and ppl in their circle talk and spill the beans. Plus he use his platform to puts guys like Jalen rose on. Sas point is you can't disrespect the media when you're trying to be part of the media.
I don’t think he was killing Stephen A, Skip? Yes!! Skip’s whole argument made ZERO sense. He gets offended for being called out with his poor basketball play and he thinks it’s “crossing the line” and he was wrong.
Jalen Rose is the man! Skip Bayless was given a dose of his own medicine by Jalen. Skip does not have it and makes a career out of sensationalizing his twisted opinions.
If you can't take it, don't dish it out! Skip got emotional and he looks silly talking about his feelings when all he does is attack athletes for underperforming. Buck up Skip!
Jalen owned this argument from start to finish. It's no coincidence that he was never invited back after this segment, which by way is still being viewed and getting hits 5 yrs after it happened and counting. That is also no coincidence, because it was unfiltered and unscripted not like 99.9% of their shows past and present. Jalen was never invited back because he told it like it is with respect to ethics and sports analysts. The reason Jalen never came back to first take was Because Skip controlled first take at that time and everything having to do with that show, and Skip didn't want Jalen publicly calling him out the way he had in the segment before this one. In the end, By banning Jalen first take and Skip at the time validated Jalen's point.
As a fan. I'm glad that I got to enjoy MJ's career, in a climate where he didn't have to worry about exposes and attacks delving into his personal life. I think he and his family handled that fine. and privately.
Absolutely and no one is going to admit that. As a matter of fact if respect was given to everyone..no one would watch..there job is to keep the show interesting..screw the facts, screw feelings.. let's make it fun. Period.
bottom line is people who played the game will always think they know the game better than the ones who sit on the sideline just watch the game and talk about it, which i agree with
Ahhhh.... I see Jake's point for a minute there I thought Stephen and Skip had him. But Jalen killed it when he said this is why he got into it, so he can be the opposite.
The sad part is, is that when Jalen Rose points out the fact he asked Skip Bayless a question about his sports career, in a less disrespectful way, and Skip took it personal. Skip Bayless still couldn't see or he didn't want to see the point. Skip Bayless thinks its okay to ridicule players because they make big money? Also, Skip Bayless was so hurt about what Jalen Rose said on First Take, he needed to get an apology from him. At the same time Skip Bayless would never apologizes to athletes he openly disrespected. At least Steven A. Smith, preferences his comments now so more than ever, so that people knows exactly what he is talking about, what contexts he is speaking from and where he is coming from. Their is a reason one is still on the show and the other is not. Obviously, ESPN is not in agreement with that type of journalism otherwise the number one sports show would not break up its Award winning two man set up.
Skip got offered more money from fox and Disney/Hearst wouldn't match it, thats why he's not there anymore, nothing whatsoever to do with journalistic integrity.
Skip shouldn’t be allowed to name call anymore if he made ESPN run an episode forcing Jalen to apologize for name calling him. Skip’s reaction to this is what made it so famous. If Skip took it with stride then there’d be no problem
The only thing I took from this is ESPN sucks for taking multiple commercial breaks during this. For one, it just fucks up the entire flow, when you've got something good going, ride it out. Two, you know damn well the argument continued during break, since this was a live show.... You're ESPN, tell the advertisers to calm down, they'll still work with you.
Jalen's comment around 2:00 mark is the whole cruck of the debate. Neither Skip or Stephen have done anything professional on the court. How you call somebody a scrub or bum! How many points or minutes they log on the court!
It's there job to analyze what the players do on the court. Just because Stephen A and Skip doesn't play, doesn't mean that they don't have the right to call someone a scrub. If he can't play then You have the right to criticize someone. I could be the worst player in the NBA and still realize that someone in the MLB is the worst baseball player. It all has relevance. That's what they voice it off of. If you can't play we have the right to comment on it
I'm not denying that. And Steven A actually agnoliges this. He always said that he was a scrub on his HS team. But Skip brings up the point that his coach hated him and he was never able to be the player he wanted to be. Now we don't really know if it's true but that's what he says. And he even said that the reason he was offended was because he thought Jaylen was calling him a lier. Not because of his game. So Steven A is no idiot cause he sees this within himself at HS. If it's anyone who could be the idiot it's either Jaylen or Skip depending on your side of the argument
They wouldn't let Jalen talk, he asked a question that stuck out, are reporters fair game? If you question my character can't I question your, if you get personal and call me a scrub can't I do the same with you, if you get personal?
I can't believe we had a whole episode about how skips feelings got hurt...if we had an episode for every time skip hurt someone else's feelings, the show could take 24 hours per episode.
Jalen has one good point. Name calling and insults can cross the line for anyone. For example, when Skip called Chris Bosh Bosh Spice, that went over the line. However, if Skip or any reporter/media member simply said that Chris was playing soft or that Kwame Brown can't play and it is proven with his game, then I don't think there should be an issue. Being called soft, selfish, or timid is not slander if it is proven on the court/field. If an athlete is insulted, they can either tune it out or prove them wrong like how Chris Bosh is playing tougher recently than in 2011. Most of the media's criticism of players have some merit are not imagined from the source. To have NBA experience as a pre-requisite to say a professional opinion about a player's performance is ridiculous. Jalen seems to insinuate that the media cannot say anything negatively about athletes because they haven't endured the same tribulations that these athletes are going through except that these athletes are generally being judged by their game. Similarly, an athlete can ridicule a media member PROFESSIONALLY if they do something incorrect such as misrepresenting a statement from a player or organization. For example, when Skip said that Russel was being selfish, Skip pointed out how he has a high usage rate compared to Kevin Durant and how he takes more shots than Kevin which is a fair assessment. Now, if Russel wants to ridicule Skip, Russel should NOT bring up Skip's failures at high school basketball since that is more of a PERSONAL not a PROFESSIONAL criticism of Skip. Skip does not play basketball for a living, he talks for a living and his high school basketball career was an aspect of his personal life.
Totally agree. First smart comment I've seen. I don't think name calling is so bad if it's in a humorous way but I can agree with most of your points. Jalen seems to have the feeling that judging someone's game is judging them personally.
Wow. After watching this conversation, its pretty obvious that Steven and Shannon feel threatened by Jalen Rose who is an actual qualified analyst and has also mastered his sport. There are plenty of players who majored in communications and writing that can do Skip and Steven's job better.
Skippy, came from a rough neighborhood 😅😅 had to fight his way home I'll hilarious... Here it is in a nutshell Skippy can dish it out but he can't take it.
This was prime first take! Damn I would rather watch hours of debates like this than 5 minutes of the overused Lebron vs Jordan GOAT topic. And the moderator was hella good as well! Sooooo much better than Molly
All this cause skip cant handle being Water Pistol Pete Jr 😃😃😃
But got nicknames for LeBron T.O. , Iverson Chris Bosh
Skip is just butt hurt
😂😂😂
@@eswift3160 100%. He can dish it but can't take it.
That’s wasn’t why Skip took issue with what Jalen said y’all completely missed the point. Just to make some silly joke
Donald Anderson u better thank that butthurt nigga cuz this is one of the best debates to date
Donald Anderson SKIP IS NOT AN NBA PLAYER
ESPN v Jalen Rose. Rose is outnumbered and more than holding his ground.
jalen rose has no arguement scrwew all all.
lol no he’s not. He’s butthurt because SAS and Skip are good at their jobs.
@@jasonhowe4484 he has got a strong argument.. What you even talking about
@@jasonhowe4484 What are you listening to if that's your stance? lol
@ELJAY no skip said what type of player was Jalen. As demeaning as possible he combated with bringing up Skip basketball days. That was the arguement and that is why skip Lost
Jalen, you nailed it. Its a slander party now days. The Jerry West analogy was very true.
Jerry west didnt call himself the greatest of all time
@@samuelvillanueva3899 but other people did and because of it skip would have went against the grain and challenge that
💯💯
Look man freedom of speech. That’s really it. Slippery slope. Don’t limit freedom of speech period. Ever
I agree
Thank you Jalen Rose for legit hurting Skip feelings and making him look like a fool on T.V.
Amen to that gotta love Jalen but Skip dosent need help to make a fool of himself on tv he does a great job of that all by himself.
After this debate I got a lot more respect for Jalen Rose. H'es just pointing out the responsibilities of journalism because sometimes these guys do cross the line.
I lost respect. He seems dumb. He looks down on people who weren't able to play professionally. That has nothing to do with the debar they were having
Dom Wilson What the hell are you talking about? Obviously being a PRO athlete provides a better perspective for people who’re not PRO athletes. That’s just a fact.
Just look at how both Skip and S.A.S utterly disrespect and assasinate players characters. While Ex pros give a more informed opinion on topics.
@@forzaacmilan36 jrose is an idiot
Forza Ac Milan are you kidding me? There are countless dumbass former players
@@forzaacmilan36 That's not true lots of former players go overboard in their criticism. Have you ever watched Charles Barkley? I believe he is a Hall of Fame NBA player.
Jalen made a great point about Jerry West going to 9 straight finals and losing all of them...yet he is still regarded as Mr. Clutch?...lol today we wouldn't let him walk down the street! he's so right.
How many finals did Jalen go to? How many championships did the big mouth trash talker go to. He is a punk a hypocrite.
Dam
@@weakling334 shut up Jerry west jr
Facts
david Last shut up bitch
The composure by Jalen.. During the entire debate .. Got me working more on my personality.. So so impressive.. Salute ..
It was impressive he was wrong but kept a str8 face
@@VenomDaBoul4LYFE how did you determine him being wrong
@@rilyjonez because the point of a public figure is you release your life to the public...especially when it deals with your profession....why u think there's such thing as IGN and Yelp!!!...however the thing that happened here was skip caught Jalen's underlying point which was if you haven't played at this level u should shut up....so everytime they held him to that he would bring feelings involved as if....nicknames isn't a part of entertaining the sports media....how come he don't complain about the positive nicknames like the truth or primetime...hell deion loves that so much thats basically his first name....
Sometimes ppl say things without saying them....and skip and Steven A both caught Jalen making a terrible assumption and they held him to it....for example skip pointed out that many to most GMs and Coaches aren't ex players and if they were most weren't that good at it....because as skip said....when your great at something sometimes u missed the details of things because ur a natural....so yessss Jalen was wrong....he was just another men being on t.v and emotional.....how many times u think Jalen called someone a bum on and off da court...let's be honest
@@VenomDaBoul4LYFE ok according to you..doesn't make you right and him wrong..
Word I was getting up out of my chair and face palming multiple times
Skip got called out and can’t take what he dishes. I’m 100% on Rose’s side.
@Michael Swadberg typical Skip mentality..don't agree so let's name call..🤣🤣🤣 mfrs so predictable
I’m not 100% on Rose’s side....I do agree that Rose insulting Skip was great and Skip DESERVED it!! But I disagree with Jalen on Kwame not being a scrub
He schooled him big time while being very professional at it
@@mwcarolina to be fair he didn't say he wasn't a scrub, cause Brown was a BONAFIDE scrub but he said that he had to have some talent to be employed in the NBA and that he was not as good as his peers or compare to the great players of his era
To me Rose came off saying that Brown is worth playing in the nba...that was my issue with it. I’m great with what Rose said to Skip, really in my book THIS episode showed that Skip is a MAJOR hypocrite, but no doubt Brown was a scrub and really on that date, he shouldn’t have been playing in the nba
One of the best segments in First Take history
Im happy jalen Took this job like he said he tryna do the opposite of what the media trying to do jerry west was a buss but nobody takinf about that .
@@soulloww2752 Jerry West wasn’t a bust. WTF are you talking about? 🤣
@@mikeh7220 Jerry West lost 9 straight finals yet no one ever holds that against him and he's the NBA Logo but they cream their pants at the fact that LeBron lost 6 finals... let that sink in.
@@mikeh7220Yes Jerry West definitely wasn't a bust, going 1-8 in the finals back then wasn't because he sucked. He lost because the Celtics were just better than everyone else, Wilt Chamberlain couldn't beat them either. The Celtics had Hall of Famers coming off the bench, that's just how great they were.
His Jerry west comment was accurate
Correct because of in the way they go at lebron
Skip got mad because Jalen called him bum basically but he sits on tv all day and calls dudes who are getting paid millions to do a job that not even 1 percent of the population can qualify for. Jalen basically gave Skip a small dose of his own medicine and he couldn't take it.
Amen! It ain't funny when the rabbit gets the gun!
How many mvps and rings does jrose have again?
spot on
@@arizonaFIREent as many as Skip and Stephen A. which only illustrates the hypocrisy that Jalen was calling them out on.
@@arizonaFIREent I'm guessing this is Skip making an account based on the logic of this comment.
The Jerry West analogy or analysis was gold.
So good and skip knew it.
Jalen is as cool as the other side of the pillow. My man shows great poise beating these two "pros " at their own game. Loved every second.
Jalen has class and respects players regardless of their salaries !
e owned Winer Skip andloud mouth Stephen A ! He s an A+ person
5:30 - I had NO idea Jerry West went to 9 straight finals and lost every one of them. WOWWWWW!!!
When they came back from commercial, Jalen killed Skip. "Are reporters fair game to criticize and slander like they do to athletes?" "Yeah!" "Well, that's what happened yesterday. 🤷🏾♂️" Silence...
Lol yep. And Jalen pretty much let out that they had to have this whole segment because Skip got hurt yesterday. Skip probably went to the executives crying saying that Jalen hurt his "great" reputation and the viewers won't respect him anymore lol. Like I don't know anybody who respects either Stephan A or Skip. I feel like people just watch them because they're loud and make an ass out of themselves and unfortunately, ESPN is basically the only legit 24hr sports channel and these idiots are on all the time. They trying to turn sports news into reality tv like gossip and bs.
Reporters don't make the money most athletes do.
@@w.g.121 true but marquee tv personalities are in the same tax bracket
Yes sir that was an absolute mic drop 💯 Case closed.
Jalen Rose's hood skills coming into frame.
That's not a good thing and I grew up in the hood
Tha Ruthless 1_ AZF hood knowledge could be your most useful asset if u channel it Jalen is a perfect example
@@arizonaFIREent I can't imagine growing up in "the hood". I've watched youtube videos of guys driving through hoods at night and gas stations... boyyyy boyyyy just terrifying
@@arizonaFIREent nigga please
@@arizonaFIREent *Trailer Park*
Look how Mama's son has me back here 🤜🏽
There's no way Jerry West would be Mr. Clutch, there's no way he'd be The Logo, 9 straight NBA Finals and lost?!? He wouldn't be able to walk down the street.
#FactsOnly
You're stupid he's one of the greatest players ever and I'm a Celtics fan who hates the lakers
@@arizonaFIREent Jordan should be the logo. J. West a fucking over rated bum!!! He couldn't hold Magic's jock strap.
Tha Ruthless 1_ AZF so why do ppl rag Bron and he’s won 3 of 8
akeem alston because that’s the norm now, since we have social media and everybody can post their opinion
@@akeemalston8044 exactly ... 3 for 8 and skip rips him every time he misses a free throw this guy went 0 for 9 but he the greatest but he is one thing lebron isn't and thats white
Skip just bringing up HS basketball is laughable to J Rose🤣🤣
That Jerry West comment was on point. They would have torched as they did the
Buffalo Bills for 4 straight Super Bowl failures
"If Jerry West played today, there's no way he'd be the logo"!!! Well said Jalen!!
They cut him off quickly when he said that!!
Tbf not even Jerry West wants to be the logo
@@odysseus1660 he would if they were paying him what they should, I don’t even think they’ve flat out said it was him due to the money they would have to pay💯
Water pistol Pete really hurt skip feelings that touched him deep lmaol
LOL 😆🤣😆
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely right about the Media and Jerry West.
Stephen A. are all of your friendships based on blackmail?
Lol'd hard
Roberto Masensi so are mines especially with the hoes
Probably cause of who he is and how well he really know these athletes
@@ericcunningham9776 Stephen a really know there's athletes and know more than he says. Teammates and ppl in their circle talk and spill the beans. Plus he use his platform to puts guys like Jalen rose on. Sas point is you can't disrespect the media when you're trying to be part of the media.
He looked bad on that one
This is one time Stephen A couldn't interrupt while someone else was talking. Jalen was killing them 🤣🤣🤣
No he wasn’t
I don’t think he was killing Stephen A, Skip? Yes!! Skip’s whole argument made ZERO sense. He gets offended for being called out with his poor basketball play and he thinks it’s “crossing the line” and he was wrong.
No he wasnt, alex you douche
@@great1004 Yeah he was u doofus!!! And stay off my box
SKIP: I'M A FIGHTER MAN, OH YEAH, BTW, IMA HATER TOO, SKIP HATER, PITIFUL
Jalen destroyed Skip on so many levels.
My opinion skip,don't like BLACK
Wow. That Jerry west analogy was deep
All this because Jalen did to skip once what Skip did to athletes everyday LOL
Jalen Rose is the man! Skip Bayless was given a dose of his own medicine by Jalen. Skip does not have it and makes a career out of sensationalizing his twisted opinions.
Jalen look lost
@@jazztravis6817 nope
Skip looks like he wants to cry so bad...
Majorly butthurt!
He probably was in the inside
He probably did in the car...
Super hurt. He needs some preparation H
If you can't take it, don't dish it out! Skip got emotional and he looks silly talking about his feelings when all he does is attack athletes for underperforming. Buck up Skip!
If you're getting paid millions of dollars to do a job and you're not good at it, you're fair game.
Jalen owned this argument from start to finish. It's no coincidence that he was never invited back after this segment, which by way is still being viewed and getting hits 5 yrs after it happened and counting. That is also no coincidence, because it was unfiltered and unscripted not like 99.9% of their shows past and present. Jalen was never invited back because he told it like it is with respect to ethics and sports analysts. The reason Jalen never came back to first take was Because Skip controlled first take at that time and everything having to do with that show, and Skip didn't want Jalen publicly calling him out the way he had in the segment before this one. In the end, By banning Jalen first take and Skip at the time validated Jalen's point.
crossing the line is what produces ratings lets not fool ourselves..
Terrance Lewis right. This argument is pointless
As a fan. I'm glad that I got to enjoy MJ's career, in a climate where he didn't have to worry about exposes and attacks delving into his personal life. I think he and his family handled that fine. and privately.
@@sheli5483 MJ was great nba player noting to attack however personal life i dont know
Watching 3 peat #2 was great. That was sports. Now we can watch " the last dance" doc to peek behind the scenes - drama. All entertainment I guess.
Absolutely and no one is going to admit that. As a matter of fact if respect was given to everyone..no one would watch..there job is to keep the show interesting..screw the facts, screw feelings.. let's make it fun. Period.
They switch the subject after the Jerry West comment. Go Jalen for killing them on that one.
Calvin Blair he destroyed them with that one. They had to switch the subject. Things that make u go hmmmmmm 🤣
They sure did, it was dead silence!! Like a sacred name you don't dare utter in public!
@@1sdubois voldemort style?
bottom line is people who played the game will always think they know the game better than the ones who sit on the sideline just watch the game and talk about it, which i agree with
This is flawed logic. It's like saying that because a male OBGYN never gave birth he can't know as much about human birth as any unstudied mother.
@@wyndsrfr16 apples and oranges, buddy
Jalen absolutely schooled skip
Comedic how Stephen A Smith continues to drift from the main point. He's like a lawyer throwing a hell of a lot of red herring.
Jay Crawford tearing down skips "Superstars aren't good talent evaluators" was great.
Jalen I have much respect for you. Keep up the good work.
Ahhhh.... I see Jake's point for a minute there I thought Stephen and Skip had him. But Jalen killed it when he said this is why he got into it, so he can be the opposite.
“That’s what happened yesterday.” Haymaker of the whole conversation. *Don Demarco*
WATER PISTOL PETE!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Great point about Jerry West. Should've ended the conversation right there.
their backs against the wall and its great. skip and Steven A look so foolish.
The sad part is, is that when Jalen Rose points out the fact he asked Skip Bayless a question about his sports career, in a less disrespectful way, and Skip took it personal. Skip Bayless still couldn't see or he didn't want to see the point.
Skip Bayless thinks its okay to ridicule players because they make big money? Also, Skip Bayless was so hurt about what Jalen Rose said on First Take, he needed to get an apology from him. At the same time Skip Bayless would never apologizes to athletes he openly disrespected.
At least Steven A. Smith, preferences his comments now so more than ever, so that people knows exactly what he is talking about, what contexts he is speaking from and where he is coming from.
Their is a reason one is still on the show and the other is not. Obviously, ESPN is not in agreement with that type of journalism otherwise the number one sports show would not break up its Award winning two man set up.
Skip got offered more money from fox and Disney/Hearst wouldn't match it, thats why he's not there anymore, nothing whatsoever to do with journalistic integrity.
Courtesy of MR. KWAME BROWN. LMAO
Jalen is on point
That Jerry West point by Jalen was on point.
Jalen said it right this has become a circus debate.
This is a therapy session for Skip
Facts... like i wanna know how long skip lasted (@ESPN) after this
@@MaroonTiger like 4 years
I remember watching this 8 years ago. Time flies
Jalen is the man!! am done with watching that type of media attacking players.
Skip Bayless' listening face is hilarious. Squint...nod...squint....
😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Jalen Rose.. Ahead of the times! Stand up guy, holding your friend's to task. Staying calm & stating facts...
all in all this was a great meeting of the minds. Something refreshing to see... Thanks to all involved.
Word! Real talk.
Big baby skip nameless mad cause he wasn't good now he spews jealous negatives comments at players don't give what you can't take
Both Screamin A and Skippointless are both taking it personal or this program particular debate wouldnt happen
Even Chris carter defended kwame brown! He said he’d have a stack of money on kwame vs a regular person 1 on 1
Skip shouldn’t be allowed to name call anymore if he made ESPN run an episode forcing Jalen to apologize for name calling him. Skip’s reaction to this is what made it so famous. If Skip took it with stride then there’d be no problem
The only thing I took from this is ESPN sucks for taking multiple commercial breaks during this. For one, it just fucks up the entire flow, when you've got something good going, ride it out. Two, you know damn well the argument continued during break, since this was a live show.... You're ESPN, tell the advertisers to calm down, they'll still work with you.
hahahaha right lol
still don't see it!!!
Jalen's comment around 2:00 mark is the whole cruck of the debate. Neither Skip or Stephen have done anything professional on the court. How you call somebody a scrub or bum! How many points or minutes they log on the court!
It's there job to analyze what the players do on the court. Just because Stephen A and Skip doesn't play, doesn't mean that they don't have the right to call someone a scrub. If he can't play then You have the right to criticize someone. I could be the worst player in the NBA and still realize that someone in the MLB is the worst baseball player. It all has relevance. That's what they voice it off of. If you can't play we have the right to comment on it
Using your logic then Skip shouldn't have whined like a baby when Jalen called his game out in high school. Stephen & Skip are arrogant clowns.
I'm not denying that. And Steven A actually agnoliges this. He always said that he was a scrub on his HS team. But Skip brings up the point that his coach hated him and he was never able to be the player he wanted to be. Now we don't really know if it's true but that's what he says. And he even said that the reason he was offended was because he thought Jaylen was calling him a lier. Not because of his game. So Steven A is no idiot cause he sees this within himself at HS. If it's anyone who could be the idiot it's either Jaylen or Skip depending on your side of the argument
They are comparing them to other nba players not themselves. If that was the case then all types of guys in media would lose jobs
And his high school game has absolutely nothing to do with the job. Talking about nba Lol high school play was his past
Jalen Been bringing Mamas cookin!! Shout out to Kwame☺️
What SAS "could've said" shouldn't be mentioned, even in passing. Thats bitch-made smh
They wouldn't let Jalen talk, he asked a question that stuck out, are reporters fair game? If you question my character can't I question your, if you get personal and call me a scrub can't I do the same with you, if you get personal?
They danced around that and started creating their own narrative on the subject smh
Thanks Kwame for exposing dudes like skip and SAS
SAS didn't want to get involved with the Skip and Jalen argument bcus he would get called out for his lack of sports experience. He quickly backed off
Skip "I Fought My Way Home A Lot" Bayless
Skip came from a rough neighborhood??? BS
He grew up in OKC, not a rough neighborhood at all haha
Skip killed a kid
forreal, if someone from a struggle they don't give a fuck about what other people do or say....skip thinking trailer trash between the ghetto lol
@@tyler92646 there are ghettos everywhere even small cities got hoods but this guy is def not from anywhere
Lol
I see why Skip went to Fox now!
I can't believe we had a whole episode about how skips feelings got hurt...if we had an episode for every time skip hurt someone else's feelings, the show could take 24 hours per episode.
Jay was the goat moderator. first take was an amazing show during these times
Jalen has one good point. Name calling and insults can cross the line for anyone. For example, when Skip called Chris Bosh Bosh Spice, that went over the line. However, if Skip or any reporter/media member simply said that Chris was playing soft or that Kwame Brown can't play and it is proven with his game, then I don't think there should be an issue. Being called soft, selfish, or timid is not slander if it is proven on the court/field. If an athlete is insulted, they can either tune it out or prove them wrong like how Chris Bosh is playing tougher recently than in 2011. Most of the media's criticism of players have some merit are not imagined from the source. To have NBA experience as a pre-requisite to say a professional opinion about a player's performance is ridiculous. Jalen seems to insinuate that the media cannot say anything negatively about athletes because they haven't endured the same tribulations that these athletes are going through except that these athletes are generally being judged by their game. Similarly, an athlete can ridicule a media member PROFESSIONALLY if they do something incorrect such as misrepresenting a statement from a player or organization. For example, when Skip said that Russel was being selfish, Skip pointed out how he has a high usage rate compared to Kevin Durant and how he takes more shots than Kevin which is a fair assessment. Now, if Russel wants to ridicule Skip, Russel should NOT bring up Skip's failures at high school basketball since that is more of a PERSONAL not a PROFESSIONAL criticism of Skip. Skip does not play basketball for a living, he talks for a living and his high school basketball career was an aspect of his personal life.
Totally agree. First smart comment I've seen. I don't think name calling is so bad if it's in a humorous way but I can agree with most of your points. Jalen seems to have the feeling that judging someone's game is judging them personally.
Dom Wilson Jalen is saying that using a nickname like Prince james or Bosh Spice is a satirical and somewhat insulting way to describe someone's game.
Nah name calling because of perception is a bunch of bs
"How did you do at my job?" Excellent point.
Kudos Jalen!
jalen is right
Kwame Brown brought me here
It's an unfair conversation, you got 2 idiots with ignorant views, yelling at Jalen. Jalen needs to get more help, get Lebron and Dwight.
Man! I'm so impressed with Jalen. 😎
Wow. After watching this conversation, its pretty obvious that Steven and Shannon feel threatened by Jalen Rose who is an actual qualified analyst and has also mastered his sport. There are plenty of players who majored in communications and writing that can do Skip and Steven's job better.
U mean skip
2019 and I'm just seeing this.
Brah 2020 just seeing this lol
This is one of the best segments in sports today
Skippy, came from a rough neighborhood 😅😅 had to fight his way home I'll hilarious... Here it is in a nutshell Skippy can dish it out but he can't take it.
Skip - "I come from a tough neighborhood myself" lolololololololol
It took damn near 20 years for muth!#@$, to see what Kwame real beef is with the media. Fair game!
This was prime first take! Damn I would rather watch hours of debates like this than 5 minutes of the overused Lebron vs Jordan GOAT topic. And the moderator was hella good as well! Sooooo much better than Molly
At 4:10 jalen rose should have just dropped the mic and walked off. Debate over!
(Was it a lie......den you can't call me a lair) lmao
3:08-5:40 all u need to know... this is how it went and handled... skip love lying... smh
Molly needs to take a page from Jay Crawford man. He let them go at it the whole time
Jay wasn’t trying put his 2 cents into it. He actually moderated the debate.
It’s because molly is a wahmen and needs to open her dumb mouth
Jalen Rose always been a solid dude!
ESPN literally stopped all sports debating for 2 days cuz Jalen embarrassed Skip on Live National TV, let that sink in.
Stephen A talks too damn much
Passing water bottles on your high school basketball team hahaha !!!!!
Cris Carter's intake was excellent
Jalen be looking around like damn I’m out here on the spot 😂
Skip didn't draw any conclusions since he keeps crossing the line and especially as a LBJ hater.
Kwame Brown has me searching all the old videos
STOP HURTING OUR FEELINGS -Jalen Rose
Stephen A Logic: I could have snitched on you the 99 other times you stole so you shouldn’t be mad that I snitched on you the 100th time, friend.
Jalen Rose pulls the truth and red man Skip turns pink.
Yeah, Steven A. ain't calling Mr. Brown Kwaaaaaaame on first take today, LOL