Black Sabbath-Ranking the Solo Catalogs of Ozzy Osbourne, Tony Iommi, Bill Ward, and Geezer Butler
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- Join Pete Pardo, Martin Popoff, and Phil Aston, for a discussion about the solo catalogs of the original line-up of Black Sabbath. Who did it better? #blacksabbath
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I love all your shows Pete but in my opinion Phil is the best addition to your channel in memory. I had only recently discovered his own channel by accident after following you for years and I couldn't be happier to see him as a regular here now.
Phil is tops
That is very kind of you to say. It is an honour to be here and to be talking music with Pete and Martin. Phil
@@NowSpinningMagazine You're a great addition Phil. I just want to add that I'm with you and Pete when it comes to the Bill Ward albums. I heard the first two a long time ago but stumbled on "Accountable Beasts" maybe a month or so ago. Sabbath are my favorite band and Bill is in my top 3 drummers, but after hearing AB, I was taken back by how off the wall the material was (and not in a good way) I was seriously laughing the entire way through it. I'm glad we all have different opinions, but I can't help but think Martin might be only a handful of people on the planet that would pick Bill Wards solo albums over Ozzy's material (or even Iommi's)😂
Plastic Planet still gets a spin every couple of years, hard to believe it's almost 30 years old. I was 15, how time flies!
The Iommi solo work is so good in my opinion. He and Mr Hughes should do one more album before they retire.
And a decent tour! A set list featuring Seventh Star,Dep Sessions & Fused.. count me in!
I absolutely LOVE Ward's solo albums. Especially WARD ONE: ALONG THE WAY,this is an underrated masterpiece. Imagine Pink Floyd going metal and you will get the idea.
Martin's rousing support for Bill warms my heart. I can't adequately express how much I love his albums. Glad you all explored this topic. Cheers.
But he seems a little down on Iomi. Dare we ask?
@@bluejayfan5584Tony Martin is lommi's self inflicted wound & ruination of Sabbaths credibility.
I really enjoyed this episode, Phil is a great addition to the show.
Thank you 😊
GZR did tour for Black Science. They toured the US supporting Bruce Dickinson in 1997.
Iommi’s Fused and Ward One Along The Way are the two best of the lot. Martin - I purchased a physical copy of Accountable Beasts from Bill Ward’s website a few weeks after it was released digitally.
Great show! Phil has been a great addition to the SoT crew
Hi Donny, thank you very much - I am enjoying being here - Phil :)
I think the Fused album is the strongest release from any of them. The vocals of Hughes are off the charts.
I have a name for the show if it continues with the three of you.:
The Olde Grey Quibble Test
The Iommi album in 2000 is so freaking great
Love the Bill Ward stuff hopefully he'll release Beyond Aston at some point.
Cool! Ozzy does have the advantage of having way more and more high-profile albums than the other guys. I don't think I've even heard a full solo album by the other guys, but I'm looking forward to watching this. I do seem to remember that Mr. Popoff has a love for Bill Ward's solo albums.
Agree on Seven Star I like it and what could have been.
These guys have so much knowledge..great that they are taking the time to share it!
Iommi - "The 1996 Dep Sessions" is awsome!
Friday funhouse is my favourite show and Phil and its even better great stuff 😊
You are the official Black 🖤 Sabbath encyclopaedia Channel, Cheers 🍺 Gentlemen 👋, Thank you again ⛵ Sea of Tranquility
Phil, I really appreciate you joining the Sea of Tranquility Family it’s nice to have somebody that went to shows in the 70s I am a real live music guy and that was such an influence for me from 1968 through 79 and it just seems like a lot of the guys on the channel didn’t go to any shows until 1980. The 70s it’s such a rich back catalog. I grew up in San Francisco going to live shows 70s. It seems more like your UK experience than these East Coast guys in the 80s.
I feel like a relics myself. Got to see Zeppelin Purple and Sabbath in the early 70s to mid-70s.
@@barryrammer7906 Those were the days I wish Pete would do a show with us old times 70s rock concert goers that got to experience the best
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My first gig was Deep Purple on the Burn Tour in 1974 - Phil :)
@@NowSpinningMagazineAmazing.How lucky😄👍
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This is the Dream Team of ROCK 🎸💯🤘🎶🎵. You can't go wrong with these three Titans of TH-cam!!!!! Would Love to see more of this trio 💥💥💥💥
You guys should do a Ozzy vs Dio solo career battle.
That would be a great idea!, and both coming from black sabbath to successful solo careers.
@@iancocks9408 but unlike Ozzy Dio had already been famous before Sabbath and had a successful career with different bands
I remember when "Iommi" came out, one of my friends commented that he was inspired by Santana by having each song have a star vocalist (which was true). That album is ok, but I love the song, "Meat" sung by Skin. Very powerful and original. It made me wonder why more bands didn't have female vocalists at the time. Imagine if Black Sabbath had one in the 90's.
IOMMI was the solo project that Tony Iommi always intended to record back from the 7th Star Black Sabbath featuring Tony Iommi's first attempt to record with different vocalist including Ronnie James Dio, David Coverdale, Rob Halford, Glenn Hughes and Robert Plant but due to W.B. record company was unable to get the singers because of recording conflicts.
Love that you have added Phil. I recently discovered his channel and really enjoy his videos!
I really enjoyed this guys! Thanks for doing this. I e always been watching Sea of T videos especially on Sabbath and Ozzy and Phil's videos and unboxing. Love Martins books, so its great to hang out here and see you all sharing your opinions. Do this again with more Sabbath and Ozzy
Iommi is 1st for me for one reason and that's Laughing man in the Devil Mask with Henry Rollins. That song is sick. They should have created a band.
Another excellent show with 3 great music scholars.
Thank you - Phil
The two singles Deadland ritual with geezer Steve stevens and Matt sorum is the sound I was expecting from a geezer solo album heavy rockin melodic rook ausome
🌠Good One Guys...& Phil is Great..Ozzy has 2 b my #1..most of those other albums by the other members..I didnt even know they existed..sadly..
Thank you - Phil
I was lucky enough in 2010 to go to the Heaven and Hell Dio tribute show at the London High Voltage Festival. Glenn Hughes was on vocals and it was awesome. Shame they never did more together.
Thank you, Martin, for turning me on to Accountable Beasts--it lived up to every accolade you bestowed on it.
Another great show with Pete Martin & Phil ... Iommi always wanted to work with David Coverdale ... I would love to listen at least one song from them ... or one album like Coverdale Page ... greetings from Argentina ...
The trifecta of rock knowledge at work! Great episode, great interaction and I hope a lot of episodes will follow.
Dio-Holy Diver wipes the floor with anything by the former Sabbath members!!
I love everything Ozzy did thru No More Tears. After that the rest became too formulated. Even though there were a few good songs on each of those later albums, there’s really no classic Ozzy songs on any of those.
I agree. Blizzard through No More Tears before his first retirement is by far the best period of Ozzy (solo), and just has that certain sound which he never captured again even though none of those first 6 albums really sound like each other. Ozzmosis has some good songs here and there but that's when I feel it started to go downhill. Everything post 2000 just doesn't sound unique and kind of generic.
Excellent group, you three. Look forward to further discussions!
Thank you - Phil
I've been enjoying these cross-Atlantic collaborations, keep them coming!
4. Bill Ward
3. Geezer
2. Iommi
1. Ozzy
I would put Dio, no. 1 too, Pete! He was the best singer in Sabbath!
This episode slaps, very enjoyable
Great episode, you guys are fabulous!
Thank you, it was great to be a part of this - Phil :)
The solo albums from Tony, Geezer and Bill totally overshadow the stuff Sabbath were doing in the 90s and 00s
Pete is the man oh my what a struggle it was not to burst out laughing as Martin praised Ward's "masterpieces".🤣🤣🤣 That was priceless👍
Happy 30th anniversary on the books Martin, same here Phil on bank balance lol
Great show gentlemen. Very interesting topic. I wish this episode lasted twice longer.
Love Sabbath. Maybe favorite band. But nothing but the 1st few Ozzy solo albums got me interested. And, that was even more for Randy Rhoads
I love the Iommi albums quite a lot, great episode 👍
More Phil Aston Villa love it. UTFV!
I still remember like it was yesterday .... Bill Ward fired from Black sabbath.
Shock.
Heard it on Q107 Rock Report every day at 6.
Also heard of Phil's death and Ace's car accident from this show. No internet. Very important show.
I'd rank them like
1. Dio (very consistent and holds up today, and alot of albums passed over like strange highways, magica and lock up the wolves are getting new fans, Dio's catalog cement his legacy as a landmark catalog within the genre)
2. Ozzy (great talented musicians and well written but sounds dated and some albums are awful, people will remember Ozzy for Ozzy and sabbath and not his solo catalog)
3. Tony Martin/The Cage/Giuntini Project (some solid stuff here, overlooked for sure)
4. iommi (very limited, but what we got is great, wish we could get more glenn and iommi)
5. Geezer (he always found it hard to get the ball rolling, I like the late 80s and early 90s stuff, almost very queensryche kinda stuff but it lost me with GZR, perhaps trying to hard)
6. Bill (good albums but nothing really special, kinda forgettable)
Dio catalog was not as good after sacred heart it was mostly average to me.
Ozzy to me didn’t have a bad album. The ones from 2000 on are not as good but they are not bad albums.
@@iancocks9408 I think Ozzy's first two albums are better than any of Dio's albums but Dio has a more consistent discography overall, he has never released a bad record.
@@tjsststsjsjyksjgksjysjs7633what a great era for ex black sabbath singers
thanks for introducing me to the bill ward catalouge. Been listening to Accountable Beasts since friday.
I can't comment on these albums mainly because I haven't listened to any of them except the first 3 Ozzy albums.
Got a lot of listening to do.
Thanks guys!
Excellent show!!! Really enjoyed this and the first Bill Ward is ordered. I'll be digging for the next two.
For me, if you’re going to factor in Dio’s solo material, it crushes the competition.
I agree. Ozzy 1-B, tho. I can't get into the Ward lps at all. I know I'm missing something.
Yeah Pete Dio #1
35:55 Yes, but it was more than "Ozzy fans didn't complain". Ozzy was a king-maker for guitar players. He found Randy which was huge, and then the buzz for "the next one" to be appointed to the prestigious position was enormous (as was the pressure), at least for Jake and Zakk (and arguably Gus G). And though he had a team, I think it was ultimately Ozzy who had the eye/ear for talent. He mentioned circa 1983 that guys would come to auditions and be "like Van Halen on acid" (possibly Michael Angelo Batio). He knew what he wanted.
Not a studio album, but shout-out to Ozzy's "Tribute" with Randy. For guitar players, it is a gold mine. 2x platinum in the USA. I remember, to a lesser degree, that being Dio's guitar player was a famous post, but _nothing_ like being with Ozzy. IMHO, Jake and Zakk show that it was no fluke (in terms of picking talent) but bringing Randy on-board is enough to be #1.
@michaeleaster1815 also getting Bob Daisley was key as a great bassist and the best lyrics. Also, Lee is on the drums. Sharan knows talent. She just forgets to pay people. Father like daughter.
I agree with Pete that Time is Mine off the Iommi album with Phil Anselmo is great. They have another song together called Inversion of the Saviors that is also a banger
Ward One is so underrated, it’s one of my favorite albums ever
Apart from Sabbath, where I enjoyed how they began to get more progressive with their writing starting with Vol-4 and peaking imo with Sabotage (I think TE and NSD have some gems, but they were getting a little too far off the mark for me) I've always thought Ozzy's solo material was better when he sounded more hard rockish, like in the Rhoads years and through the 80's up to No More Tears. That brighter sound that was dripping with unforgettable melodies. Even though I like Ozzmosis, I find that album to be where the cracks started to show and where the heavy commercial formula took root.
I really liked Zakk's stuff on NRFTW and NMT before he turned into the Viking biker guy. I actually think Ozzy's solo stuff started to morph into what Zakk would write for a BLS album who I've never been a huge fan of. Even the material Zakk didn't write for him in the last 20 years still suffered from the "paint by numbers metal" that affected Ozzy as a whole starting in the mid 90's. There are some killer songs that pop up here and there, like his Iommi collaboration or Slash's. I've said for the longest time that I prefer the hard rockin Ozzy over the sludgy metal Ozzy that he started to lean toward (not counting the doom material with Sabbath)
There's a reason 80 percent of the Rhoads material stayed on his setlist for the last 40 years.
Very entertaining I'd like to so you 3 guys rank Sabbath albums by singer (ozzy, Dio, Tony Etc)
Geezer's stuff is brilliant
Martin, yes! Ward One, fantastic album.👍
Bill should have called his albums Pyschiatric Ward 1,2 &3 :) Great show!
I don’t think the ozzy catalogue is lacklustre. Maybe after the 90’s but his previous work is good to excellent.
After no more tears, it gets tough sledding, my friend. Not much thier.
@@barryrammer7906ozzmosis is pretty good, about the same standard as no rest for the wicked. Got very rough after that haha
Other then great albums from Ozzy. Iommi solo of 2000 with collaboration singers is fairly nice. The Iommi Hughes albums Eighth Star Dep Sessions and Fused are great heavy killer sounding albums. Geezer and The GZR band pretty heavy and rocking. Bill Ward albums have pretty good moments. So interesting to hear how it all falls in when you rank them.
The Power Trio at it again. Swell. 🤘
The Power Trio from Hell (i don't think those guys are using it anymore...)
How can you rank Sabbath (solo) albums without Alo?! 😅
(Looking forward to the episode!)
Well, because we had to film this one VERY early in the morning, and Chris isn't an early bird!
The good news here is Pete has finished Geezer's book which means we're going to get a book review with King Alo. 🤘🏼
I don't know much of Bill Ward's solo output, but everything I have heard I have liked. Not a huge fan of Geezer's stuff, but I did get to see him open for Bruce Dickinson back in 97. His lead singer was a local boy (Worcester, MA) and I got to see them play this tiny metal club (Sir Morgan's Cove). It was a good show, but weird to see this sort of young, hip-hop looking guy sing doomy industrial metal with old man Geezer.
Holy shnikey Martin! I can not believe how right you are about the Bill Ward material. It is down right scary how music of this calibre is completely invisible while waves of artistic dross have washed over us week after week in the intervening years.
I'm with Martin on the Bill Ward albums (he may have even been the one to turn me on to them). I loved them immediately. The first especially, but the second is spectacular as well. Now for the third, Accountable Beasts, it didn't really click with me. But since I do actually have a physical copy of it (it may be unofficial) I'm going to revisit it on Popoff's advice.
Would be amazing a ranking the albums of the Purple Saga, would be very though and long, but would be amazing.
Great conversation! I actually saw Geezer on tour opening for Bruce Dickinson in in a small club in1997. While it was great to him him live, I really didn't connect with the musical style of his band.
Pete waiting for your review of Geezers autobiography.
happening next week!
There's this beautiful song on the album Skyline Called Done. About a guy who had it and lost it and now sits at the bar and looks at the door, it's a sad song bu it kind of hits in the the gut and makes you feel regret and sorrow, Phil has point this type of song does not belong in Rock or Metal. I do like his voice.
For a six months or more I've been meaning to see what Martin's been talking about with Bill Ward. Doing it right now and I'm totally on board. Very unique and creative. No, it's not Sabbath, but I'm glad it's not. Can't believe the guitarist/writer Keith Lynch didn't do anything else.
yep. he must have a day job cuz i can't find that he's done anything else. and yet he's been on all three of Bill's albums, spanning 25 yrs.
Wonderful. 👍🍻
DIO would be 1 Ozzy 2. 😮. DIO best work to me is with Rainbow. Those 3 lps he hit it out of the park.
Anybody else see the cat knock over Phil Aston's vinyl of "Technical Ecstasy" at 10:31? 😂
Geezer did the best solo albums but I do think Ward One is an awesome album 🤘👍
You guys need to listen to Martin when he waxes poetic about the immortal Bill Ward albums...take some time and really check those records out... especially Ward One which is an absolute masterpiece....
Oh and a side note: Tell Martin that Accountable Beasts did indeed have a very limited run of physical cd's that were available for a very short time on his website....I was lucky enough to acquire one which sits proudly in my collection...pretty sure it was a very limited amount....
Because of the earlier Ozzy classics and because I'm such a fan, that's my number one. But I'm with Martin on the love for Bill Ward and his albums. Ward One: Along the Way, and When the Bough Breaks are classics for me. I came to the realization that, for me, his music had captured the feel and spirit of the original Black Sabbath (although some of it hardly sounds like them) whereas sooo much of Ozzy's later work did not. It sounded by the numbers and as if he was just a puppet for whoever was choosing the musical direction at the time.
there was The Geezer Butler Band, with Carl Sentance (Nazareth,.Ghost)on vocals....late 80's,....demos only I think, ...did ,Master of Insanity.a song .later on Dehumanizer CD,totally reworked though..a bit more mainstream metal band.the G.B.B.
Hi Pete I would love for the 3 of you to select your top 5 Alice Cooper Records. Another Rock legend like Ozzy however I feel Alice has continued to do go work.
I have been following Pophoff for a number of years now and have bought some of his books on ebay. His knowledge of music (statistics) is clearly undisputed, as is his personal insight through the many interviews with all musicians. And that every music lover has different favorites and tastes is quite normal. Since I myself have loved rock/hard rock/heavy rock/metal since 1976, owned 5000+ albums/cds, seen 400+ shows and been able to meet many of my idols, I often cannot agree at all with Pophoff's taste in music and assessments. Maybe he has a clue about punk or something similar, but probably not about "my" music.
The first 4 Ozzy albums are amazing.Iommi,Bill,Geezer albums i don't like.
I have a soft spot for Seventh Star but its not a great album at all, I actually like the softie the best. This all proves that as a whole they're great, but the parts on their own aren't great except for Ozzy. He has such a recognizable voice that he is the main driver of the band. Even the Dio albums sound like Dio solo albums and could have any players on them.
Maybe in later years, but those first 3 dio albums are very distinctive playing from appice and Campbell, superb band.
Like most of us waiting for Iommi lost archive stuff its there isn't it?
1. Iommi
2. Ozzy
3. Bill Ward
4. Geezer
The Dio catalogue would be by far my number one ahead of Ozzy. Then again my top 2 Sabbath albums are the Dio ones.
Question for Phil , I always get the impression Born again is given a lot more respect by Pete and the Hudson squares than it was ever given in the UK were I always felt at the time it was treated as a bit of a joke album, and never taken seriously would he agree ?
Bill Ward’s Accountable Beasts is far more interesting than anything Ozzy has done since the 80s. Its a weird album.
I'm a big fan of Rock/Metal instrumental music as well as vocal, and I found if one removes the vocal tracks (there are digital tools to do this) from some of Iommi's solo and so-called Sabbath albums after Mob Rules, they improve greatly.
No disrespect to Tony Martin, Ian Gillan, Glenn Hughes or any of those other solid and decent singers that sang alongside Iommi, but I find his playing so often very lyrical that it almost doesn't need a singer over it. This is especially true of The Eternal Idol, Seventh Star, Forbidden, Born Again, and TYR.
I wish Tony Iommi would simply put out instrumental albums at this point, ala Jeff Beck and Joe Satriani. Hire a crackerjack bass player (is Geezer available?) and a Cozy Powell like drummer (or Bill Ward in my dreams, if he can physically do it), and crank out some albums from his home studio. You know Iommi has stashed hundreds of great riffs in cold storage over the years and also more waiting in his fingers.
I don't see Iommi as a novelty album at all. What I hear is how well Iommi's style blends with very different types of vocalists. I particularly love the collaboration with Billy Idol at the end.
My ranking: #1 = Tony IOMMI....waaay up there with his Glenn Hughes collaborations (Seventh Star, Dep Sessions & Fused)
#2 = OZZY re Blizzard of Ozz, Diary of a Madman, and Bark at the Moon. After that he lost me.
#3 = Geezer....I had his 2005 industrial sounding album...didn't like it, gave it away.
#4 = Bill Ward.....can't comment....haven't heard his stuff.
Bill Ward's stuff is excellent. Especially the first two.
@@independenceltd. Thanks, I'll look for it.
I really enjoyed this episode. Ozzy would be my number one, followed by Bill Ward, Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler. Could never get into Geezer’s stuff….I guess it is just not my kind of heavy metal. I’m not too big on Iommi’s albums as well. Just not enough melody and variety. I love Ward One: Along The Way. I didn’t expect it to sound that good. I definitely think it was much better than what Black Sabbath were doing at the time.
Great episode. Could you do one with The Beatles?
Ozzy by a million miles...Bill Ward in 2nd place also by a million miles (When the Bough Breaks & Ward One. Along The Way are very good, Accountable Beasts & Living Naked are OK), Iommi (some decent work with Ian Gillan & Glenn Hughes) & Butler (cookie monster vocals😒) solo don't do much for me - not counting Heaven And Hell (Sweden Rock Festival 2007 & Radio City - Music Hall are bruisers)
Its as clear as glass. It's Ozzy by a mile.
Add me to the chorus of people who love Iommi's work with Glenn Hughes. The DEP Sessions and Fused are amazing albums, and I always object to Martin's use of the term "plodding". There's a huge difference between a slower tempo and a low energy song.
I wanted to love Geezer's catalog, but I don't. I was never a Fear Factory fan, either.
Never heard Bill's solo albums. They're on the list.
Hughes and Iommi are magic together
I bought the box set of Geezers 3 albums just to see what they were like, agree with Pete I am not a nu metal fan or industrial metal there is too much aggression can have aggression with melody but we'll...
Again played once very disappointed but its Sabbath so curse of collector.
Ozzy solo stuff unfortunately left me cold most of the time odd song or two.
Man in a Suitcase is a great Geezer song. Remember listen a lot to that album from 97 back then. Not so much the last 20-25 years. I guess it is only the Ozzy albums I really love here. That mean the 6 albums from Blizzard to Ozz to No more Tears. After that I lost interest.
Disagree with Martin, fused is a fantastic album, probably the only iommi album I like.
Fused IS awesome Martin is way off base on that one.
i totally consider 7th star an Iommi solo album,....it was specifically written as one,..thats what it is ,I file it in my CDs with DEP Sessions,and Fused,and Iommi,2000,,,,,regardless of the front cover ,its a Tony Iommi solo album,..period.