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Exploring Stinking Springs (and a few digressions) - The Capture of Billy the Kid - Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ธ.ค. 2023
- Doss Boot, Lucas Speer, and Cardigan Kid discuss the capture of Billy the Kid at Stinking Spring. Join us for the first episode in this conversation.
Very interesting chat guys. I remember watching your video on Stinking Springs Lucas, it was good! Nice to see a real man admit when he's wrong! If only everyone online had as much integrity! 👍 Thanks Cardi K 🤠
Guys, this was great info. Makes me think of the Billy story quite differently. Thanks!!
Great chat guys! Thanks to Doss and Lucas!
Love the beginning. The song… “Lurking around” haha! 👍
Glad you guys are hashing it out try to think in the perspective of being a young man losing your family at a young age and having to survive in a rough country Indian Wars still going on basic hard living survival is instinctual
Great episode. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Happy Holidays, guys! Thanks for this chat.
Regarding the sombrero debate, the 'key' can also be in... which language was spoken when the first mention of that episode occurred. 'Sombrero' just means 'hat' in Spanish, all kinds of hats, just like Americans call everything a hat, when other English speakers around the world may have different words for more specific kinds of hats, like 'cap', the first that comes to mind.
More Lucas on the chats , guys a library , and to me , always a gent !!
I agree!
Went to stinking springs 3 years ago, the old cat that owns the property is awesome. Called him on the 4th of July, and he was willing to meet me and let me check it out.
My god! We are seriously one massive group of nerds.
Amen
Notoriously Educated Researching Documentarians: NERDs
When you think about it the way Billy connected to people at such a young age is exactly how today's gangs are formed it's like a family they never had.
Excellent observation
Great discussion, and here's to the Miracles of Modern Technology that make these long-distance conversations so trouble free! 🖥
I have some thoughts on the quotes from Billy, both Garrett's and the train depot interview. (Just for the sake of livening up the debate! 😁)
I will agree that Garret is probably telling the truth of what Billy said about coming into Sumner on the 19th. I'm also inclined to agree that Garrett's posse gave very little chance for a response to any verbal warning they may or may not have given. Perhaps they assumed that the Kid would be in the lead, and that it was indeed "his" gang. It was supposedly a night with good visibility, light reflecting off the snow. Still, could they really tell if it was the Kid or Folliard in the lead? I have my doubts, and it seems possible that Garrett had the same intention he discusses for Stinking Spring, four days later. That is, take the Kid down and the rest will surrender. Tom may not have had a chance, regardless of whether Garrett actually called out "Halt" or something similar before commencing firing.
Now did the Kid's "spidy senses" kick in, motivating him to slip back to Billy Wilson at the rear? That's possible. If he was craving tobacco just moments before arriving at Bowdre's home in the old Indian Hospital, why would he not wait until they dismounted? That comment seems to me like a made up reason to toy with Garrett. Billy may have been trying to make Garrett think he was more wary and smart about his actions as opposed to just relaxed or careless, having now found out that he was successfully lured in to a trap by a well executed false intel operation.
As to the comment to the reporter, "I wasn't the leader of my gang, I was for Billy all the time," there is more context in that interview. He is also arguing against the idea that he makes his living stealing stock, but rather by gambling. (Why would he admit the truth, as a man about to face trial?) He is clearly claiming (and perhaps truthfully) that people in the county won't let him live by honest means and points the finger at John Chisum in particular. It reads to me like he is denying his low-level criminal activity while pointing out, essentially, "What else can I do to survive?"
While these two quotes may suggest a very selfish attitude on Billy's part, which may or may not be accurate, I certainly think they may also be viewed in a different light. Perhaps in each circumstance, the Kid was simply trying to draw the best picture he could of his actions, in a time where circumstances had turned hard against him. It's a very human thing to do.
Very well said
Who was the soldier Doss talked about at Fort Sumner?? I never head that before.
George Miller.
@@chasingbilly Thank you!
Grrat information. The sound quality was poor. You should upgrade your microphones and try not to talk over each other but great show. Thanks
Doss you should do the show sober.
You think maybe billy set up Charlie at stinken springs if that was Billy's hat .maybe he knew Charlie talked to garrett if that happen during that time line .it would make sence to do that if your info is real.
after billys escape from lincoln in april billy either found or put himself in the position of using people. he didn't have any money nor really much of a way to make any and as ben franklin said "fish and company begin to stink after three days". especially among poor families.
it seems that after the "war" wound down that billy for some unknown reason started downhill. he quit thinking about his group of friends and just cared about billy . That snowy night in sumner when tom got killed seems to be the beginning of the end for the billy that was a social justice warrior and simply became a desperado looking out for himself. i have seen a good number of men lose who they were when a woman came into the picture. when did the romance with paulita begin.
i must admit that i have pondered the question - was billy a psycopath or possibly on his way to being one. i am not passing judgement -simply wondering out loud
I believe billy was not well received in sumner beyond his friends , after all the citizens of sumner did raise 7,000$$ for a reward for garrett glad to be rid of him ,remember he was a horse thief cattle thief and killer also a counterfeiter not a good kid at all , never had a job beyond 2 months on tunstalls ranch , just bad news , might have been cordial even jovial but bad news for sure