At our school I set up a lab full of LCIIIs with PDS ethernet cards. Some were labeled as Performas but were identical. I never saw the original, so it was fun to watch. My favorite model of Mac is the Mac IIfx.
My father was an Amiga guy, but was talked into an LC-2 (Performa 410) when it became clear that Commodore was going bust. Got it recapped a few years back, and it's still trucking along. You may have actually seen that machine yourself; the club and I had it at VCF in 2021.
I like to think that the LC earned me earn an A grade in my high school Office Machines elective class, but not in a way you'd assume. In the class, we were supposed to learn outdated office tasks, even by 1990 standards. Filing, typing, form letters, etc. Instead, I tinkered with the two Macs and the army of IBM XT machines in the room. I quickly figured out how to access other student's work on the server and accidentally defragmented a Mac SE's external hard drive. One day, the teacher asked me to help disassemble the IBM network so we could put together a lab of LC computers. (Color screens facing the door to make a good impression, of course.) I was a kid in a candy store. Even though I wouldn't have a Mac of my own for many years, I was infatuated with them. Despite only doing one or two assignments in that class, I received an A. I think the teacher saw the potential I had and I eventually put it to professional use. Thank you, Mrs Pfisterer!
Aww, that's awesome! I remember fondly getting into studying AppleScript and Chooser stuff on behalf of my elementary/junior high school back in the day for similar reasons - sure, it wasn't the IBM PS/2 my brother used to have at home, showing the impossible magic of a virtual 3D world via MS Flight Sim 4.0 in CGA, but it did have Math Blasters, SC2K, Oregon Trail and eventually Escape Velocity: Nova and Warcraft II. Probably the most fun I've ever had in school prior to college (in game design, prior to Naval IT service.) When the right person encourages you to follow that which gives you wonder as a kid, it can inspire some real lifelong passion, it seems. 💾
My dad ran a stamp auction store (founded by his father a long time ago in the late 40's) Where they used only macs in the store. So my childhood (well 7-10 ish anyway) was playing with various types of macs. From the classic to the LC and LCII to some Performa systems, and my personal favorite a IIci with a ton of Maxis games on it. :) The floppy eject sound and the happy chime are probably the best ASMR audio things in the world
Man I've always been a PC guy, I love Windows 95 and 98 but I have to admit I really like the Macintosh LC series. Yes it's slow and useless but it's so charming, it looks amazing and the case is just designed so well. Swapping parts is super easy. I've owned an LC, LC II, LC III and the LC 475.
Same, kinda. I don’t really care for the beige Macs from the early to mid 90s (besides the clones) but the LC has a charm do it. I think it’s the pizza box form factor. Macs have always been my preferred platform though.
My mom used to have a Mac LC. I recently bought one on eBay and replaced the power supply which was known dead on the listing. It works as long as I disconnect the power to the hard drive, so maybe there are still power issues, or something is not happy with the hard drive which causes the LC to reboot repeatedly without successfully getting to the desktop
Great repair, glad to see it up and running! It might be Low Cost, but there’s something quite interesting about them and having the power of two floppy drives makes it 2x faster!
When I was a kid my Mum's office had a network of LCs. They were fun to mess around on, they had a big apple laser printer in there too. I remember going in there and doing odd typing jobs for my Mum's department (at a trade school). I actually ended up getting a job there after I got my own trade certificate in Multimedia development in 2000. My Mum still works there like 40 years later! She retired but came out of retirement to help students with special needs.
I put a magento optical drive in my LC's second drive slot, then put at a right angle on some plastic standoffs a 2.5" SCSI drive from a PowerBook. All fits together nicely even with a Presto Plus accelerator taking up 75% of the internal space.
This little machine needs a nice Apple IIGS ALPS keyboard (The best ADB keyboard ever) and an Apple IIe PDS card. Plug in a 5.25 drive and Whammo pretty much uses ANY Mac or Apple II software made before the early 90s and some after that as well. Absolutely loved this video. Liked and Subscribed!
I got my LC for the "one of only two machines with an '020" reason. I had machines with every other CPU from 68000 to G5. The original Mac II is bigger and more expensive! Mine arrived with... no hard disk, badly needing a recap, not chiming, a dead PSU... and once I fixed all that there was a broken trace under the SCSI/Serial chip. On the plus side, it had maxed RAM and VRAM.
Just been in issuu archives looking up Argos (a UK store chain which is a bit like Sears if they followed the catalog store model) back catalogs from around 1991-92 the pizza box Mac LC was cheaper than a PC how time flies
I just got one of these, bad power supply, so recapping power supply and main board, and those gear thingys for the floppies. Thanks Steve for the video! I’ll let you know how it comes out!
Great video, Steve! I really like your unscripted style with this one. Felt very "one on one" and made me want to pick up an LC to do the same thing. You also gave me an idea for my SE SuperDrive as it also has the block off plate and 2 FDD connectors. I've been thinking about replacing the HDD anyway, so a Blue SCSI would make for an interesting machine as well. Thanks!!!
My first Macintosh I ever used was an LC or LC II while I was in elementary school. I always tried to get the LC II because of the II 😂 The first Mac I ever owned was a performa 400..so many memories of the pizza boxes.
Crap power supplies were common on the PoweMac G4 MDD machines as well. But I share your enjoyment of the LC series. I had an LC II back in the day, but didn't have lots of money, so I would flip it to buy my next Mac.
Pausing the video to guess that it is an LC. We had one -- our first family Macintosh, in fact. I recall the hard drive bay looked like it could be configured to take a second floppy drive, and I think I might have heard of that being done also. ... And yep, I was right!
Steve Glad you got it up and running neat to see the dual floppy drives send your LC covers to me I will RetroBright them for you make it look new again
@@Mac84 - Hey Steve, I also was amazed that you didn't have a LC in your collection until now. Great that it is up an running, I'm looking forward what you will do in your next LC video. I think you'll add a LC PDS card 🙂 The Macintosh LC is underrated, but it is unique with its dual flop, 68020 and the ability to run System 6.0.6 through 7.5.5. I do really like this LC model.
Oh, @Mac84, have you spotted the unpopulated second floppy connector on the LC II board? You could swap an LC II board into this case for a slight performance increase.
Yes, a few later PowerPC clones also have unpopulated second floppy drive ports. However, since I have a few LC II systems, I decided to keep this one as a stock LC.
Nice! So did it seem the rust/corrosion on the bottom was from the caps in the power supply? I've not seen an LC power supply leak that bad (not like a IIsi) where it'd leak out that much - or did it look like some other water damage? (note: this counts as my monthly engagement 😄)
So if you had only the floppy drives and booted from one disk, and inserted a MacWrite disk into the other drive, would a MacWrite document on the first disk open up if double-clicked? i.e. does the Mac search other drives for the associated app?
Yes, the Mac can “see” both disks and can understand where to find the appropriate application or document. Sometimes you’d need to open the app first and then open the file from the app, but it does work.
I never owned an LC, but back in the Spring of 1992, I remember that the computer lab in the middle school that I was in got LC II’s. I was really impressed with them, because they were the first Macs that I’d ever seen that had color monitors. Great repair video! Why didn’t this LC display a color picture? I’m just curious.
Thanks! The LC won’t usually display color by default when the PRAM battery is dead or removed. This is because the battery helps keep track of the time and other system preferences (like the screen settings). Without the battery, when the system is shut off, those settings are reset.
@@dave4shmups You can use any 1/2 AA battery. Don't forget to put the battery out again before you put away your LC again because they tend to leak after some time.
Hah! The close up of the bracket is actually an improved version I made between filming the first part of the video and the release. So I did get around to it… surprisingly 🤣
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At our school I set up a lab full of LCIIIs with PDS ethernet cards. Some were labeled as Performas but were identical. I never saw the original, so it was fun to watch. My favorite model of Mac is the Mac IIfx.
My father was an Amiga guy, but was talked into an LC-2 (Performa 410) when it became clear that Commodore was going bust. Got it recapped a few years back, and it's still trucking along. You may have actually seen that machine yourself; the club and I had it at VCF in 2021.
A proud LC II user myself.
I like to think that the LC earned me earn an A grade in my high school Office Machines elective class, but not in a way you'd assume. In the class, we were supposed to learn outdated office tasks, even by 1990 standards. Filing, typing, form letters, etc. Instead, I tinkered with the two Macs and the army of IBM XT machines in the room. I quickly figured out how to access other student's work on the server and accidentally defragmented a Mac SE's external hard drive.
One day, the teacher asked me to help disassemble the IBM network so we could put together a lab of LC computers. (Color screens facing the door to make a good impression, of course.) I was a kid in a candy store. Even though I wouldn't have a Mac of my own for many years, I was infatuated with them.
Despite only doing one or two assignments in that class, I received an A. I think the teacher saw the potential I had and I eventually put it to professional use. Thank you, Mrs Pfisterer!
Aww, that's awesome! I remember fondly getting into studying AppleScript and Chooser stuff on behalf of my elementary/junior high school back in the day for similar reasons - sure, it wasn't the IBM PS/2 my brother used to have at home, showing the impossible magic of a virtual 3D world via MS Flight Sim 4.0 in CGA, but it did have Math Blasters, SC2K, Oregon Trail and eventually Escape Velocity: Nova and Warcraft II. Probably the most fun I've ever had in school prior to college (in game design, prior to Naval IT service.)
When the right person encourages you to follow that which gives you wonder as a kid, it can inspire some real lifelong passion, it seems. 💾
My dad ran a stamp auction store (founded by his father a long time ago in the late 40's) Where they used only macs in the store. So my childhood (well 7-10 ish anyway) was playing with various types of macs. From the classic to the LC and LCII to some Performa systems, and my personal favorite a IIci with a ton of Maxis games on it. :) The floppy eject sound and the happy chime are probably the best ASMR audio things in the world
Man I've always been a PC guy, I love Windows 95 and 98 but I have to admit I really like the Macintosh LC series. Yes it's slow and useless but it's so charming, it looks amazing and the case is just designed so well. Swapping parts is super easy. I've owned an LC, LC II, LC III and the LC 475.
Same, kinda. I don’t really care for the beige Macs from the early to mid 90s (besides the clones) but the LC has a charm do it. I think it’s the pizza box form factor. Macs have always been my preferred platform though.
My mom used to have a Mac LC. I recently bought one on eBay and replaced the power supply which was known dead on the listing. It works as long as I disconnect the power to the hard drive, so maybe there are still power issues, or something is not happy with the hard drive which causes the LC to reboot repeatedly without successfully getting to the desktop
Great repair, glad to see it up and running! It might be Low Cost, but there’s something quite interesting about them and having the power of two floppy drives makes it 2x faster!
awesome find! can't wait to be able to start collecting vintage mac computers one again!
I have an LCIII+ and an LC475 but strangely I'm drawn to the dual floppy LC.. damn LOL
When I was a kid my Mum's office had a network of LCs. They were fun to mess around on, they had a big apple laser printer in there too. I remember going in there and doing odd typing jobs for my Mum's department (at a trade school). I actually ended up getting a job there after I got my own trade certificate in Multimedia development in 2000. My Mum still works there like 40 years later! She retired but came out of retirement to help students with special needs.
I put a magento optical drive in my LC's second drive slot, then put at a right angle on some plastic standoffs a 2.5" SCSI drive from a PowerBook. All fits together nicely even with a Presto Plus accelerator taking up 75% of the internal space.
This little machine needs a nice Apple IIGS ALPS keyboard (The best ADB keyboard ever) and an Apple IIe PDS card. Plug in a 5.25 drive and Whammo pretty much uses ANY Mac or Apple II software made before the early 90s and some after that as well. Absolutely loved this video. Liked and Subscribed!
I have the same one on my shelf, waiting for me to have the time to recap.
Same here!
That's awesome, Steve.
Way before my time, though, but still cool.
Born in 1994.
Dood that is freaking nuts. Jam in a Disk On Module.
Since this Mac has IDE those won’t work, but a BlueSCSI is close enough. 👍
My first LC was the third generation but I was a technician at my high school so I helped repair the first generation and some other Mac's.
I got my LC for the "one of only two machines with an '020" reason. I had machines with every other CPU from 68000 to G5. The original Mac II is bigger and more expensive! Mine arrived with... no hard disk, badly needing a recap, not chiming, a dead PSU... and once I fixed all that there was a broken trace under the SCSI/Serial chip. On the plus side, it had maxed RAM and VRAM.
Just been in issuu archives looking up Argos (a UK store chain which is a bit like Sears if they followed the catalog store model) back catalogs from around 1991-92 the pizza box Mac LC was cheaper than a PC how time flies
I just got one of these, bad power supply, so recapping power supply and main board, and those gear thingys for the floppies. Thanks Steve for the video! I’ll let you know how it comes out!
Great! Good luck, there are plenty of videos and tutorials out there if you get stuck. Just go slow and you’ll be fine.
Great video, Steve! I really like your unscripted style with this one. Felt very "one on one" and made me want to pick up an LC to do the same thing. You also gave me an idea for my SE SuperDrive as it also has the block off plate and 2 FDD connectors. I've been thinking about replacing the HDD anyway, so a Blue SCSI would make for an interesting machine as well. Thanks!!!
you should do an authentic boot with just floppy's to show the full advantage of having dual floppy drives
My first Macintosh I ever used was an LC or LC II while I was in elementary school. I always tried to get the LC II because of the II 😂
The first Mac I ever owned was a performa 400..so many memories of the pizza boxes.
Middle school for me. And they were all set up with "At Ease" instead of the typical Finder desktop.
Crap power supplies were common on the PoweMac G4 MDD machines as well. But I share your enjoyment of the LC series. I had an LC II back in the day, but didn't have lots of money, so I would flip it to buy my next Mac.
Pausing the video to guess that it is an LC. We had one -- our first family Macintosh, in fact. I recall the hard drive bay looked like it could be configured to take a second floppy drive, and I think I might have heard of that being done also.
... And yep, I was right!
I had the LC475. 25mhz, seemed pretty fast back then.
Steve Glad you got it up and running neat to see the dual floppy drives send your LC covers to me I will RetroBright them for you make it look new again
The Macintosh LC
@@Mac84 - Hey Steve, I also was amazed that you didn't have a LC in your collection until now. Great that it is up an running, I'm looking forward what you will do in your next LC video. I think you'll add a LC PDS card 🙂
The Macintosh LC is underrated, but it is unique with its dual flop, 68020 and the ability to run System 6.0.6 through 7.5.5. I do really like this LC model.
Nice, first Mac my family owned, second computer after a TI-99. (Oddly, my next computer was an old SE/30 because it was my own.) ["Engagement"!]
Not the IIgs as a stand! :) My heart is saddened. But very cool on the LC. It needs a IIe card installed now to bump it up a bit!
Haha! No worries, the IIgs has been placed safely back on the shelf, unharmed! A IIe card would be a perfect addition. ❤️
Fine, here's your engagement! I'm guessing a Macintosh LC with dual disk drives. :)
How did you know!! 😉 ❤️
You should stick an Apple II card and external floppies in it and make it the LC Floppinator.
Oh, @Mac84, have you spotted the unpopulated second floppy connector on the LC II board? You could swap an LC II board into this case for a slight performance increase.
Yes, a few later PowerPC clones also have unpopulated second floppy drive ports. However, since I have a few LC II systems, I decided to keep this one as a stock LC.
@@Mac84 Yeah, understood. Besides, sometimes the slow machines are fun. Gives you time to think and makes you plan what you're doing.
I have a few versions of all 3 LC's
Nice! So did it seem the rust/corrosion on the bottom was from the caps in the power supply? I've not seen an LC power supply leak that bad (not like a IIsi) where it'd leak out that much - or did it look like some other water damage? (note: this counts as my monthly engagement 😄)
The first Apple computer I used was the Apple ][ plus owned by my high-school in 1982.
So if you had only the floppy drives and booted from one disk, and inserted a MacWrite disk into the other drive, would a MacWrite document on the first disk open up if double-clicked? i.e. does the Mac search other drives for the associated app?
Yes, the Mac can “see” both disks and can understand where to find the appropriate application or document. Sometimes you’d need to open the app first and then open the file from the app, but it does work.
I never owned an LC, but back in the Spring of 1992, I remember that the computer lab in the middle school that I was in got LC II’s. I was really impressed with them, because they were the first Macs that I’d ever seen that had color monitors. Great repair video! Why didn’t this LC display a color picture? I’m just curious.
Thanks! The LC won’t usually display color by default when the PRAM battery is dead or removed. This is because the battery helps keep track of the time and other system preferences (like the screen settings). Without the battery, when the system is shut off, those settings are reset.
@@Mac84 Gotcha.
@@Mac84 Is it hard to find new PRAM batteries for the LC and the LC II?
@@dave4shmups You can use any 1/2 AA battery. Don't forget to put the battery out again before you put away your LC again because they tend to leak after some time.
@@patrickm.9822 OK, thanks!
Would you like to work on 2 Q950 mb to repair?? ;)
That was a mac joke. I'm sure I could think of another model I don't care for. But the LC is up on the top.
23:48 * (*never)
Hah! The close up of the bracket is actually an improved version I made between filming the first part of the video and the release. So I did get around to it… surprisingly 🤣
@@Mac84 😮
First not to guess.