IT GOT PRETTY WESTERN, MORE WESTERN THAN AN AVERAGE HORSE HANDLER COULD DO. BUT FOR YOU IT WAS A GREAT AT SHOWING HOW GOOD TIME AND FEELING SOMEONE LIKE YOU HAS. LIKE YOU SAID YOU HAD A PERFECT SET UP TO USE. MOST OF ALL I LOVE YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARD THE PRETTY LITTLE MARE. SHE WAS SPOILED BUT WE KNOW SHE'S GETTING AND EDUCATION AND MANNERS THE MINUTE YOU GOT A HOLD OF HER. WELL DONE Susan
You have the ultimate quality of patience. However....that alley way to "train" one that spoiled is trouble....I have the cracked rib cage to show for it. We're all not 6' and 180 lbs. I have an 8 yr. old mare that bumped her head loading and it turned into a total disaster after that. If you want to go the lazy/easy way to get a horse over "this," SIMPLEY put them into a pen with no feed or water but with some in A trailer backed up to it. The worst that can happen is they will tip over the pail, secure it. Go have dinner, your "problem" will too and you're on your way to getting the worst of the initial steps (into the trailer) over with. KISS my friends. mg
Great Video and definitely shows that you can get it done as a professional with lots of experience! I hope the owner sees whats going on and she stays with you guys until her behavior on the ground is fixed. Hard to imagine that she has been ridden!!!
She definitely is not trying to work with you at first. Once she realized you were actually communicating with in a way she can understand she began to try. No beating required.
My horse will load but will not back off the trailer…. She’s slipped and fallen trying to turn around. She will back decently on the ground and her ground work is pretty good. On the trailer she just refuses to back
Very interesting. Thank you. When the trailer came into shot, I was surprised that it didnt have a ramp. Is that the usual type of trailer in the states ?
I think we can clearly see that you absolutly don't need the wip and that the mare is more confident without the wip.... she follows you better without something that scares her, we can tell she is afraid of that wip... my horse is a very problematic horse when it comes to the trailer like he's litteraly shaking when i am infront of the trailer but i never use wip, if i need 2 hours to load him in i will take two hours ( my horse is four times worse than the mare we can see in this video) and i don't need the wip to make him more afraid the he already is.
With all due respect, nobody ever teaches a horse to lead while walking backward. Leading a horse I believe that leading a horse is the single most important foundation thing any horse person new or experienced, needs to learn. NOT teaching the horse to lead; they already how to be led. They, after all are herd animals and as such, are natural followers. No, the handler needs to learn how to lead the horse. This is an amazingly simple thing to do that is all too often made complicated by various human issues, not the least of which is anthropomorphizing human behaviors onto a horse. This is also the thing that is most often overlooked in training new people about horses and working with them. Horses do not speak or understand any human language. And they do not love, hate or hold grudges. Those are EMOTIONAL responses. Horses are not capable of such reactions. They do not even possess that part of the brain that can interpret and express those things. They are prey animals like most animals, with their eyes on the side of their heads. As a result, the only thing paramount in their mind is survival and, if so, equipped reproduction when that time of year rolls around. So, talking to them or at them is an exercise in self-delusion and nothing more. Horses could not care less what any human has to say, be it “GOOD GIRL/BOY, walk-on ho, sit, stay,” or any other such nonsense. Typically, when leading a foal for the first time, there are a couple of ques that you teach them early on. When I face you, that means STOP, and two is, when I put my hands on you anywhere, that means STAND STILL. Knowing that, why would you give either of those ques to a horse that you are trying to lead someplace? DON’T DO IT! Do not look at the horse; when you look at the horse, you are in effect facing them, which means STOP, look where you are going instead. The simplest explanation of leading a horse, ANY horse is slight, very slight, maintained tension on the lead in the direction of preference, and ALLOW the horse to come toward that tension to get their release on their own, NEVER GIVE THEM THE RELEASE. Let them come to you, thus giving the release to themselves. The release is the reward; but when they realize that they gave themselves that release instead of you GIVING it to them, nothing more is needed. No vocal accolades food treats, or physical contact is necessary. They do not offer anything other than self-affirmation for the one doing the leading. After a few of these simple exercises, the horse gets it, and leading becomes a non-confrontational endeavor. And they become part of your herd, and you are their herd leader. So, with the lead attached to the bottom of the halter, you stand to the left side of the horse, the horse on your right with just enough slack in the lead to allow the horse’s head to move freely. Holding the lead in your right hand tightly, make a fist and place it on your sternum, allowing the lead to flow over the crook of your right elbow while holding the trailing part of the lead with your left hand. Never lead a horse with an extended arm. If you, do it becomes a spring and does not offer the rigidity and unyielding tension that you need for this activity. Now while facing in the direction, you want to go, (DO NOT LOOK AT THE HORSE) apply just enough tension on the lead to take up all of the slack and apply just a very slight tension. Then stand very still, essentially become a post. And allow the horse to make a forward move to get the release from that tension. When they do, even if it is only just stretching their nose out to get that release, they will have rewarded themselves, then gently repeat the same process. Each time you see that, you gain more movement from the horse until you are getting forward steps. If at any point they pull back. You do not move, and you become a post firmly planted in the ground. Do not fight or tug; stand very still, maintaining the slightest of tension on the lead, locking the trailing part of the lead on your left hip if need be to maintain that tension. They will reach for that release again. Then when they get the release the second or third time, is usually when you see the light bulb go on in their eyes and they understand what you are asking. Then you continue to build on that achievement, and if they seem to forget and start to pull back at some point, you return to your fixed position and let them seek release by doing what you wanted them to do in the first place. There is no pain or punishment of any kind involved in this technique, only rewards. While some folks feel the need to vocalize positive and negative things while doing this. Remember, horses do not speak English or any other human language, so your vocalizations are for you, not the horse. If you become proficient at this technique so that it becomes second nature for you. You will then also be able to load any horse onto any kind of trailer without any issue at all. Because you will not be loading, you will be leading. It is no different than walking a horse into a barn stall. You will also find that it can be applied to a variety of training techniques not related to leading, usually with surprisingly positive results. I have taught hundreds perhaps a thousand or more horses this, and never once has it failed to achieve the desired results almost instantly. With no pain, coercion food treats or any other rewards other than an understanding that we are now speaking a common language that the horse readily understands and accepts.
The gist of your conversation regarding leading is great, but the part about brain anatomy, function and emotions is flat out untrue. The brain science is readily available if you'd like to update your knowledge.
@@shootingstarshorsemanshipm338 And your experience and knowledge are based on what? Because mine is based on 45+ years as a hands-on professional horseman working with various breeds and in many equine-related sports. My observations are derived from what works EVERY time with the least amount of effort, pain, and discomfort for animals and humans and what does not. You are certainly welcome to dismiss what I say if you'd like, that is your choice. But it would be best to try it open-mindedly before criticizing it as incorrect.
Well the other commenters disagree with you. Have you considered the fact that a lot of mainstream videos out there hide some training realities? We could have made this slow, soft, warm and fuzzy like many other do but it’s not the reality that many people face. This video is to help others, if you don’t like it, don’t use it. Also, feel free to let me know when you get your perfect display of trailer loading video posted so I can go watch it and see what am “amateur friendly” way is.
Walking backwards and facing the horse, while teaching it to lead is a little confusing for the horse. That isn't how a horse's brain works, you have to learn to think like a horse. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but for any new horseman out there, this isn't a good learning video.
I’m teaching the horse to give to the rope. Regardless of a person looking at them, walking away from them, or if it’s attached to a fence, tractor, lawn mower or anything else. The point is not to teach them to follow a person but to give to the rope when the slack is taken out. With your reasoning I could argue that it’s a bit confusing for the horse comply with a predator animal, given they are a prey animal. So then should we not work with them because that dynamic is a bit confusing for them?
You need to work on basic ground work get this mare in a calm environment without dogs and horses on either side of her. What a crap way of training. Get her in a round pen and desensitize her to a whip and get a good trust between you guys. This is so horrible to watch. 😭
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IT GOT PRETTY WESTERN, MORE WESTERN THAN AN AVERAGE HORSE HANDLER COULD DO. BUT FOR YOU IT WAS A GREAT AT SHOWING HOW GOOD TIME AND FEELING SOMEONE LIKE YOU HAS. LIKE YOU SAID YOU HAD A PERFECT SET UP TO USE. MOST OF ALL I LOVE YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARD THE PRETTY LITTLE MARE. SHE WAS SPOILED BUT WE KNOW SHE'S GETTING AND EDUCATION AND MANNERS THE MINUTE YOU GOT A HOLD OF HER. WELL DONE Susan
You should get a couple more dogs in there to create more problems. This horse wants to but has to many distractions.
Those are the tough ones Bro..... I had one like it the other day.... A YELLOW one too!
Excellent technique well done bro..
Great handling and footage. It's good to see how you handle the raw ones!
You have the ultimate quality of patience. However....that alley way to "train" one that spoiled is trouble....I have the cracked rib cage to show for it. We're all not 6' and 180 lbs. I have an 8 yr. old mare that bumped her head loading and it turned into a total disaster after that. If you want to go the lazy/easy way to get a horse over "this," SIMPLEY put them into a pen with no feed or water but with some in A trailer backed up to it. The worst that can happen is they will tip over the pail, secure it. Go have dinner, your "problem" will too and you're on your way to getting the worst of the initial steps (into the trailer) over with. KISS my friends. mg
Great video, thank you for sharing this with all of us :)
Great Video and definitely shows that you can get it done as a professional with lots of experience! I hope the owner sees whats going on and she stays with you guys until her behavior on the ground is fixed. Hard to imagine that she has been ridden!!!
Yeah I may assume someone around ws fearful. 😅 good job!
She definitely is not trying to work with you at first. Once she realized you were actually communicating with in a way she can understand she began to try. No beating required.
These are great videos, Craig and Katie!
Have you thought about putting together a DVD set of training videos?
My horse will load but will not back off the trailer…. She’s slipped and fallen trying to turn around. She will back decently on the ground and her ground work is pretty good. On the trailer she just refuses to back
it kinda looks that she is reacting more to the whip and your kinda standing in front and facing her is probably just making her nervous?
Very interesting. Thank you.
When the trailer came into shot, I was surprised that it didnt have a ramp. Is that the usual type of trailer in the states ?
Yes they normally use no ramp...
I think we can clearly see that you absolutly don't need the wip and that the mare is more confident without the wip.... she follows you better without something that scares her, we can tell she is afraid of that wip... my horse is a very problematic horse when it comes to the trailer like he's litteraly shaking when i am infront of the trailer but i never use wip, if i need 2 hours to load him in i will take two hours ( my horse is four times worse than the mare we can see in this video) and i don't need the wip to make him more afraid the he already is.
She doesn’t like the crop, why continue using it?
Are y’all the people that same vanfleet stays with in Texas
Some one has ‘used’ a whip on her….Easy boy
The horse does not have a problem. It is a people problem.
With all due respect, nobody ever teaches a horse to lead while walking backward.
Leading a horse
I believe that leading a horse is the single most important foundation thing any horse person new or experienced, needs to learn. NOT teaching the horse to lead; they already how to be led. They, after all are herd animals and as such, are natural followers. No, the handler needs to learn how to lead the horse. This is an amazingly simple thing to do that is all too often made complicated by various human issues, not the least of which is anthropomorphizing human behaviors onto a horse. This is also the thing that is most often overlooked in training new people about horses and working with them.
Horses do not speak or understand any human language. And they do not love, hate or hold grudges. Those are EMOTIONAL responses. Horses are not capable of such reactions. They do not even possess that part of the brain that can interpret and express those things. They are prey animals like most animals, with their eyes on the side of their heads. As a result, the only thing paramount in their mind is survival and, if so, equipped reproduction when that time of year rolls around. So, talking to them or at them is an exercise in self-delusion and nothing more. Horses could not care less what any human has to say, be it “GOOD GIRL/BOY, walk-on ho, sit, stay,” or any other such nonsense.
Typically, when leading a foal for the first time, there are a couple of ques that you teach them early on. When I face you, that means STOP, and two is, when I put my hands on you anywhere, that means STAND STILL. Knowing that, why would you give either of those ques to a horse that you are trying to lead someplace? DON’T DO IT! Do not look at the horse; when you look at the horse, you are in effect facing them, which means STOP, look where you are going instead.
The simplest explanation of leading a horse, ANY horse is slight, very slight, maintained tension on the lead in the direction of preference, and ALLOW the horse to come toward that tension to get their release on their own, NEVER GIVE THEM THE RELEASE. Let them come to you, thus giving the release to themselves. The release is the reward; but when they realize that they gave themselves that release instead of you GIVING it to them, nothing more is needed. No vocal accolades food treats, or physical contact is necessary. They do not offer anything other than self-affirmation for the one doing the leading. After a few of these simple exercises, the horse gets it, and leading becomes a non-confrontational endeavor. And they become part of your herd, and you are their herd leader.
So, with the lead attached to the bottom of the halter, you stand to the left side of the horse, the horse on your right with just enough slack in the lead to allow the horse’s head to move freely. Holding the lead in your right hand tightly, make a fist and place it on your sternum, allowing the lead to flow over the crook of your right elbow while holding the trailing part of the lead with your left hand. Never lead a horse with an extended arm. If you, do it becomes a spring and does not offer the rigidity and unyielding tension that you need for this activity.
Now while facing in the direction, you want to go, (DO NOT LOOK AT THE HORSE) apply just enough tension on the lead to take up all of the slack and apply just a very slight tension. Then stand very still, essentially become a post. And allow the horse to make a forward move to get the release from that tension. When they do, even if it is only just stretching their nose out to get that release, they will have rewarded themselves, then gently repeat the same process. Each time you see that, you gain more movement from the horse until you are getting forward steps. If at any point they pull back. You do not move, and you become a post firmly planted in the ground. Do not fight or tug; stand very still, maintaining the slightest of tension on the lead, locking the trailing part of the lead on your left hip if need be to maintain that tension. They will reach for that release again. Then when they get the release the second or third time, is usually when you see the light bulb go on in their eyes and they understand what you are asking.
Then you continue to build on that achievement, and if they seem to forget and start to pull back at some point, you return to your fixed position and let them seek release by doing what you wanted them to do in the first place.
There is no pain or punishment of any kind involved in this technique, only rewards. While some folks feel the need to vocalize positive and negative things while doing this. Remember, horses do not speak English or any other human language, so your vocalizations are for you, not the horse.
If you become proficient at this technique so that it becomes second nature for you. You will then also be able to load any horse onto any kind of trailer without any issue at all. Because you will not be loading, you will be leading. It is no different than walking a horse into a barn stall. You will also find that it can be applied to a variety of training techniques not related to leading, usually with surprisingly positive results.
I have taught hundreds perhaps a thousand or more horses this, and never once has it failed to achieve the desired results almost instantly. With no pain, coercion food treats or any other rewards other than an understanding that we are now speaking a common language that the horse readily understands and accepts.
Great explanation.
The gist of your conversation regarding leading is great, but the part about brain anatomy, function and emotions is flat out untrue. The brain science is readily available if you'd like to update your knowledge.
@@shootingstarshorsemanshipm338
And your experience and knowledge are based on what?
Because mine is based on 45+ years as a hands-on professional horseman working with various breeds and in many equine-related sports. My observations are derived from what works EVERY time with the least amount of effort, pain, and discomfort for animals and humans and what does not.
You are certainly welcome to dismiss what I say if you'd like, that is your choice. But it would be best to try it open-mindedly before criticizing it as incorrect.
Lots wrong with this. Not amateur friendly techniques at all.
Well the other commenters disagree with you. Have you considered the fact that a lot of mainstream videos out there hide some training realities? We could have made this slow, soft, warm and fuzzy like many other do but it’s not the reality that many people face. This video is to help others, if you don’t like it, don’t use it.
Also, feel free to let me know when you get your perfect display of trailer loading video posted so I can go watch it and see what am “amateur friendly” way is.
Walking backwards and facing the horse, while teaching it to lead is a little confusing for the horse. That isn't how a horse's brain works, you have to learn to think like a horse. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but for any new horseman out there, this isn't a good learning video.
I’m teaching the horse to give to the rope. Regardless of a person looking at them, walking away from them, or if it’s attached to a fence, tractor, lawn mower or anything else. The point is not to teach them to follow a person but to give to the rope when the slack is taken out.
With your reasoning I could argue that it’s a bit confusing for the horse comply with a predator animal, given they are a prey animal. So then should we not work with them because that dynamic is a bit confusing for them?
You need to work on basic ground work get this mare in a calm environment without dogs and horses on either side of her. What a crap way of training. Get her in a round pen and desensitize her to a whip and get a good trust between you guys. This is so horrible to watch. 😭