This video just transformed my drumming. I've been wrestling with my snare angle & height, trying to get comfortable behind the drums...for many many years. This angle away approache really allows the Moeller, rebound, and various finger techniques to flow naturally from your hands. Ive only been playing this way for an hour, but it's the biggest, step forward hour, maybe ever! Thanks Phil :-)
I am very happy Cedar! I think you will enjoy this a lot especially if you have been struggling with deciding which angle to use. Thank you for writing in! All the best :-)
Hey Dude, today I corrected the height of the snare stand and I put the snare in negative angle-It works so well Bro! The rebound comes from itself and I must use less force. It is really awesome! Thank you very, very much Phil!
Please can you make a video using your paradiddles or maybe doubleparadiddles played as triplets? I want to play this in my shuffle-beats and I‘m really struggling with that for long time. Please Mr. Phill
Thats right! It seems that most players that get exposed to this make a drastic change to their snare position and their relaxation goes through the roof!
I just came back from my Sunday practice and I tried it. It worked, really I have to say this, more comfortable! I will adjust my angle of the snare also at my E-drum and I’m interested how it works for the next few weeks. Thank you really! I love your content❤️✌🏻🥁.
Awesome broooo!! I am happy you are digging the angle. You will grow to love it and your playing will benefit! Thanks for writing in! Many greetings from Bali!
Thanks very much Phil for doing a video on this overlooked topic. I'm blown away by how much better I sound and feel with this small but powerful change. It's so easy to set my snare this way, I don't know why I kept my snare with the same angle as the toms all these years, time for a change I would say.
Thank you Phil. This detail has not been brought up enough here. I'm going to use it tonight on the gig with trad and matched grip and see how it goes. Thanks again for this tip.
@@philmaturanodrums Went pretty well. My right hand is going to have to relearn, because I've always dipped the snare down to the right ala Buddy etc., but I could tell that the advantages may be profound.
I really appreciate these tips, Phil! I used to keep my snare with no angle, (flat), because my favorite drummer did the same, later on I tilted it just like the toms with the angle tilted upwards like Steve Gadd and many other drummers do. I remember trying your preferred angle when I was a young drummer & I liked it, so I'll try it again to see how it goes. As far as this angle and the tips of the sticks go, I can see your point, the tips of the stick getting full contact with the drum head makes for a fuller more Legato sound, but with only the front end of the tip hitting the drum it would be a more Staccato sound. I'll have to try this out!
Yeah many cats compensate by bending the wrist upward to get the sound of the meat of the tip. But that is super dangerous IMHO. Keep me up to date on your preference!
@@philmaturanodrums Yes I will, I sure won't bend my wrists to get that sound, just set the snare height at the right spot. PS I just tried it with my practice pad, and it feels great, 100% better for the bounce stroke, and it feels more relaxed as well. The notes on the pad sound a bit louder and fuller. I'm using Vick Firth SD-10 sticks for practicing.
I agree with that on rebound as the stick isn't digging in . I went with raising the snare up higher so I'm hitting at 90 degrees flat like Todd Sucherman. It took a lot of getting used to . I would have gone for the way you show here if I were less paranoid about getting hooked under tom 1 lol . I've thought about moving my floor tom to that angle. Everything can be got used to with a bit of time . Practice in the house is the way to do it . I rim shot a lot and dreaded rim hit with no pop is soooo scary . But yep that angle makes a huge difference to getting the stick out of the head and not " tipping " every hit . The 90s were the era of vertical drum positions!!
Ima gonna try that front down angle. Currently I have my snare front angled slightly up , as advised by my “ in person “ drum instructor. Front down may be helpful with my rim shots and have other advantages as of yet undiscovered by myself. We’ll see. Thanks Phil. 🥁😎 P.S. I like the two different angles of you playing shown with the split screen at the end of the video. Ain’t studio editing great ‘ey ?
I was very hesitant, but gave it a go. It looked weird and felt strange at first, but I started by putting it at zero degrees and after every 10-minutes angled it backward in tiny increments. I must admit, it feels great. Only thing that's still odd is the look of it, but it's a bit like putting less sugar in your coffee every day, you eventually get used to it.
No one talks about this. Many drummers now say there’s no reason to tilt the snare away but there are great advantages to it. The old guard knew what was up!
I think it depends on how high one positions the snare drum. If you think of your elbow as the center of a circle, and your forearm + stick the radius, you can determine the correct angle of the snare for any given height. (A bit of an oversimplification, but you get the idea.) That being said, I have my snare pretty flat. Tilting the snare away from me enough so that there's a significant difference would result in the snare being lower than I want it to be relative to the rack tom. If only I had a smaller bass drum, lol. I also dislike angling the snare toward me, or even the rack toms toward me too much. The more the drums are angled toward you, the more horizontal the stick motions become, the less work gravity is able to do.
I have had a new problem I haven't ever experienced in many years of playing. My snare drum has been creeping towards me away from the mics. I changed one major feature, I raised it to be closer to the elevation of my rack toms for better sticking. In 10 minutes it is pushing between my legs. I have it just tilted to the left 3 degrees to accommodate my dominant snare stroke and rebound. I am going to take the tilt out and see if it stays put. I am suspecting a little bounce to the floor and I am playing 16th note bass drum patterns as well. It happened after raising the drum 2+ inches. I am really starting to dig having it a little higher but it crawling away from where it is mic'd isn't working. I will check the drum tension within the holders. Maybe if I have the drum choked into the stand too firmly for some odd reason?
That angle also stops the sticks moving in grip . Snares with a tilt the opposite direction slope keep pushing the stick at you in the grip, it's a slight shove every hit coming off the head. So if the stick is walking back on you its worth checking out this tilt recommendation. The background stories do remind me of real life long term teachers , they give you a lot of advice that's not based only on drums .
Can be yes. But many guys play at different angles and still sound great like Vinnie etc. So in the end I only think about staying in touch with what your body needs. Thanks for writing in :-)
I believe it also was a trend sitting way lower with all drums tilted towards; that way, you got a cleaner hit on the drums. With the cost of your back.
@@philmaturanodrums It's not a huge tilt but it's tilted a little back and to the right. Kind of like your floor tom in the video. I might have to reconsider the position in light of this video. I'll need to experiment but your explanation is pretty convincing.
why do some people today say re-bounce'? Is this just dialectical differences or a mistake by the younger generation changing out the word to something they thought they heard right? - bounce bound... is there an actual difference in how we play and let the stick go from the drumhead?
@@philmaturanodrums As mentioned in this video, "rebound" is the term I grew up with. However, I’ve noticed that younger drummers, around 14-16 years old, are now saying "rebounce" instead. My question is whether these terms refer to two distinct ways of playing the sticks, generating a "rebound" versus a "rebounce." Or is there no actual difference?
I grew up watching Buddy, Loui and all the old drummers and I still play this way today. Its the only way to get the best rebound!
I agree ma man! I love it too! :-)
This video just transformed my drumming. I've been wrestling with my snare angle & height, trying to get comfortable behind the drums...for many many years. This angle away approache really allows the Moeller, rebound, and various finger techniques to flow naturally from your hands. Ive only been playing this way for an hour, but it's the biggest, step forward hour, maybe ever! Thanks Phil :-)
I am very happy Cedar! I think you will enjoy this a lot especially if you have been struggling with deciding which angle to use. Thank you for writing in! All the best :-)
Keith Carlock uses this snare drum angle as well, and he hits super hard most of the time. 🎯🥁
And many other great drummers as well.
Hey Dude, today I corrected the height of the snare stand and I put the snare in negative angle-It works so well Bro! The rebound comes from itself and I must use less force. It is really awesome! Thank you very, very much Phil!
Supperrr ma brooo!! There is a reason all the greats had it this way! It works beautifully!
@ unbelievable! You really help me! It is crazy! And also I love the look🤗
The rebound is magic and I fell this „energy ball“ you talk about in your other video, more and more.
Please can you make a video using your paradiddles or maybe doubleparadiddles played as triplets? I want to play this in my shuffle-beats and I‘m really struggling with that for long time. Please Mr. Phill
@@PiHi-NUi-NUi The look is superb! Hehehehe
Steve Smith started setting up this way after studying with Freddie Gruber. He plays very relaxed and always in control.
Thats right! It seems that most players that get exposed to this make a drastic change to their snare position and their relaxation goes through the roof!
Those singles after the taps are amazing.
Thank you bratha! Many greetings from Bali :-)
I just came back from my Sunday practice and I tried it. It worked, really I have to say this, more comfortable!
I will adjust my angle of the snare also at my E-drum and I’m interested how it works for the next few weeks.
Thank you really! I love your content❤️✌🏻🥁.
Awesome broooo!! I am happy you are digging the angle. You will grow to love it and your playing will benefit! Thanks for writing in! Many greetings from Bali!
Thanks very much Phil for doing a video on this overlooked topic. I'm blown away by how much better I sound and feel with this small but powerful change. It's so easy to set my snare this way, I don't know why I kept my snare with the same angle as the toms all these years, time for a change I would say.
Oh man seriously? You been playing with the snare tilted up like toms this whole time??
@@philmaturanodrums Yes, but not at a severe angle, just a mild angle for all my drums.
@@johnmckenna1776 Send me a photo of the set up
@@philmaturanodrums Okay👌
Thank you Phil. This detail has not been brought up enough here. I'm going to use it tonight on the gig with trad and matched grip and see how it goes. Thanks again for this tip.
Ohhh nice! Let me know how it goes :-)
@@philmaturanodrums Went pretty well. My right hand is going to have to relearn, because I've always dipped the snare down to the right ala Buddy etc., but I could tell that the advantages may be profound.
@@russkammerer4655 ok super! Looking forward too seeing you play with the new angle!
@@russkammerer4655 Good to hear. try it for a while.Mess with the angle and see what you like best:-)
I really appreciate these tips, Phil! I used to keep my snare with no angle, (flat), because my favorite drummer did the same, later on I tilted it just like the toms with the angle tilted upwards like Steve Gadd and many other drummers do. I remember trying your preferred angle when I was a young drummer & I liked it, so I'll try it again to see how it goes. As far as this angle and the tips of the sticks go, I can see your point, the tips of the stick getting full contact with the drum head makes for a fuller more Legato sound, but with only the front end of the tip hitting the drum it would be a more Staccato sound. I'll have to try this out!
Yeah many cats compensate by bending the wrist upward to get the sound of the meat of the tip. But that is super dangerous IMHO. Keep me up to date on your preference!
@@philmaturanodrums Yes I will, I sure won't bend my wrists to get that sound, just set the snare height at the right spot. PS I just tried it with my practice pad, and it feels great, 100% better for the bounce stroke, and it feels more relaxed as well. The notes on the pad sound a bit louder and fuller. I'm using Vick Firth SD-10 sticks for practicing.
Great tip, thx!
You got it! 🙂
I agree with that on rebound as the stick isn't digging in . I went with raising the snare up higher so I'm hitting at 90 degrees flat like Todd Sucherman. It took a lot of getting used to . I would have gone for the way you show here if I were less paranoid about getting hooked under tom 1 lol . I've thought about moving my floor tom to that angle. Everything can be got used to with a bit of time . Practice in the house is the way to do it . I rim shot a lot and dreaded rim hit with no pop is soooo scary . But yep that angle makes a huge difference to getting the stick out of the head and not " tipping " every hit . The 90s were the era of vertical drum positions!!
The 90's cracked me up! hahaha. Even I was off the deep end with the positions! Crazy!
I will try this angle
Give it a shot and let me know how its working for you :-)
Ima gonna try that front down angle. Currently I have my snare front angled slightly up , as advised by my “ in person “ drum instructor. Front down may be helpful with my rim shots and have other advantages as of yet undiscovered by myself. We’ll see. Thanks Phil. 🥁😎 P.S. I like the two different angles of you playing shown with the split screen at the end of the video. Ain’t studio editing great ‘ey ?
Give it a try Billy! When you get used to it you will never ever want to go back to the other way. Its just a matter of time to get used to it. 🙂
I was very hesitant, but gave it a go. It looked weird and felt strange at first, but I started by putting it at zero degrees and after every 10-minutes angled it backward in tiny increments. I must admit, it feels great. Only thing that's still odd is the look of it, but it's a bit like putting less sugar in your coffee every day, you eventually get used to it.
I am happy you tried it out! I think you will like it with time ;)
Phil, just curious to know the angle you like? -5 degrees? -10?
I keep changing it depending on the gig but its always tilted with the front part of the snare down :-)
No one talks about this. Many drummers now say there’s no reason to tilt the snare away but there are great advantages to it. The old guard knew what was up!
for sure!!
I think it depends on how high one positions the snare drum. If you think of your elbow as the center of a circle, and your forearm + stick the radius, you can determine the correct angle of the snare for any given height. (A bit of an oversimplification, but you get the idea.) That being said, I have my snare pretty flat. Tilting the snare away from me enough so that there's a significant difference would result in the snare being lower than I want it to be relative to the rack tom. If only I had a smaller bass drum, lol.
I also dislike angling the snare toward me, or even the rack toms toward me too much. The more the drums are angled toward you, the more horizontal the stick motions become, the less work gravity is able to do.
Exactly right! I know about BD being to big too. I like to use a 20 maximum
I have had a new problem I haven't ever experienced in many years of playing. My snare drum has been creeping towards me away from the mics. I changed one major feature, I raised it to be closer to the elevation of my rack toms for better sticking. In 10 minutes it is pushing between my legs. I have it just tilted to the left 3 degrees to accommodate my dominant snare stroke and rebound. I am going to take the tilt out and see if it stays put. I am suspecting a little bounce to the floor and I am playing 16th note bass drum patterns as well. It happened after raising the drum 2+ inches. I am really starting to dig having it a little higher but it crawling away from where it is mic'd isn't working. I will check the drum tension within the holders. Maybe if I have the drum choked into the stand too firmly for some odd reason?
Thats strange. You mean the drum on the stand is moving? Tape down the stand maybe?
That angle also stops the sticks moving in grip . Snares with a tilt the opposite direction slope keep pushing the stick at you in the grip, it's a slight shove every hit coming off the head. So if the stick is walking back on you its worth checking out this tilt recommendation. The background stories do remind me of real life long term teachers , they give you a lot of advice that's not based only on drums .
Great points bro! Nice!
The forward angle is more consistent with drummers using conventional versus matched grip. The angle came from marching drummers.
Can be yes. But many guys play at different angles and still sound great like Vinnie etc. So in the end I only think about staying in touch with what your body needs. Thanks for writing in :-)
I believe it also was a trend sitting way lower with all drums tilted towards; that way, you got a cleaner hit on the drums. With the cost of your back.
Yeah people would sit real low for a while there. Don't know how they are paying the price know but its not health at all :(
@@philmaturanodrums I think it resulted in some sore backs.
@@jonasingmaredenvik it would seem like it yes!!
I guess I've been playing my snare back-asswards my whole life.
Really you are playing with the drum tilted the other way?
@@philmaturanodrums It's not a huge tilt but it's tilted a little back and to the right. Kind of like your floor tom in the video. I might have to reconsider the position in light of this video. I'll need to experiment but your explanation is pretty convincing.
why do some people today say re-bounce'? Is this just dialectical differences or a mistake by the younger generation changing out the word to something they thought they heard right?
- bounce bound... is there an actual difference in how we play and let the stick go from the drumhead?
I have no idea why they screw up the words. But ...you know how it is. As for the bounce bound thing I am not sure what you mean.
@@philmaturanodrums
As mentioned in this video, "rebound" is the term I grew up with. However, I’ve noticed that younger drummers, around 14-16 years old, are now saying "rebounce" instead. My question is whether these terms refer to two distinct ways of playing the sticks, generating a "rebound" versus a "rebounce." Or is there no actual difference?
@@SimplicityForGood I think they simply need guidance. They are inventing their own language as teenagers tend to do. "No Cap" hahaha
@ got it!