I got the made in England ones, well they were stamped made in England they were 3 times the price but failed within 3 month! So much for Made in England! A spent force.
Completely agree with you Al. I only ever use Pegler valves and always replace cheap unbranded ones with Pegler if I’m doing some work and get a chance to change them. I’ve had nothing but problems with those screwdriver turn valves. Always leak at the screw, and of course it’s deep in a place where you can’t do anything to catch the leak (unless you want to remove a whole toilet or kitchen cupboard and sink 😡 ). Usually I find if you move the screw slowly either way, eventually you might find a position that doesn’t leak.
Also to add, flexi hoses should have a WRAS stamp on there somewhere. Means they are of a good standard and have been adequately tested. I've been to a customers house once where they had cheap flexis under their bathroom sink, they just frayed and flooded the bathroom. Something to look out for. Cheers for the video Al
Thanks, worth bearing in mind. I did use one on a cistern where the plumber had used copper pipe until just below the cistern and then just a service valve direct to the inlet. I think the problem there was that although the threads seem to match, it is a plastic on plastic seal or a plastic on fibre seal. It may work for a while, but you end up tightening up to get a better seal, and the plastic thread then starts to go.
We have one of these feeding our toilet that we inherited from the last owners. We only tend to shut our water off from the water meter anyway but thanks for the heads up on this Al.
I have always thought flexible pipes with isolating valves was a silly idea. Far rather fit a valve onto the copper then add the flexi if required. That way it is easy to change the flexi if it goes bad
Great advice, but I don't see many plumbers wanting to fiddle with a piece of copper pipe to connect to flexi and isolation valve when they can get one that already comes at the end of the flexi.
I looked under my bath the other day (I'm installing a toilet) and notice the cold hose has been leaking slightly, I switched off the valve on the hot and a bead of water appeared around the screw.......in Australia insurance companies won't pay out if you have these!
In america we have flex lines with built in valves made of plastic and they are also crap, they are called accor flowtite valves and they are used by cheap builders.
You should always make sure these flexible hoses don't rub on anything. I had the metal braiding wear and a bulge appear, narrowly avoided a big flood in the bathroom as a result.
had one on my old toilet for 20 years without a problem, replaced the toilet now and used the same again. they are not a problem if maintained and turned a couple of times a year. can't see your problem with them, you are really slating them recently😃. most valves are only a problem when fitted and left for years without touching them. like my knees if i don't keep moving them.
Inclined to disagree with you mate, had one connected to the lavatory for years without issue, might be more about the brand and manufacture? Just an opinion but keep up the good work.
To be honest I have only used the valve in anger once and thats when the pipe itself failed (rubber inner perished) so just turned it off to isolate the bathroom tap an then the whole lot was replaced. You should really never have to use them.
I got the made in England ones, well they were stamped made in England they were 3 times the price but failed within 3 month! So much for Made in England! A spent force.
Maybe someone put the stamps on but they were really made in China. Ha ha.
Completely agree with you Al. I only ever use Pegler valves and always replace cheap unbranded ones with Pegler if I’m doing some work and get a chance to change them.
I’ve had nothing but problems with those screwdriver turn valves. Always leak at the screw, and of course it’s deep in a place where you can’t do anything to catch the leak (unless you want to remove a whole toilet or kitchen cupboard and sink 😡 ). Usually I find if you move the screw slowly either way, eventually you might find a position that doesn’t leak.
Great advice. Thanks Nigel.
I’ve not had problems yet but thanks for the warning. Will keep an eye on mine.
No problem 👍
Also to add, flexi hoses should have a WRAS stamp on there somewhere. Means they are of a good standard and have been adequately tested. I've been to a customers house once where they had cheap flexis under their bathroom sink, they just frayed and flooded the bathroom. Something to look out for. Cheers for the video Al
Great advice thanks Steve. Forgot about the WRAS stamp.
Yes the wras approved ones I've had fitted for about 5 years now and no problem at all.
Thanks, worth bearing in mind.
I did use one on a cistern where the plumber had used copper pipe until just below the cistern and then just a service valve direct to the inlet. I think the problem there was that although the threads seem to match, it is a plastic on plastic seal or a plastic on fibre seal. It may work for a while, but you end up tightening up to get a better seal, and the plastic thread then starts to go.
Happens a lot.
Thanks Al, good to know helping one of the family fit a new kitchen sink with new fittings will watch out for your recommendations.
No worries
This is very useful. thank you so much. I keep recommending your channel as you explain hings so well. Good content and to the point.
Awesome, thank you! Cheers mate.
@@dereton33 I also like the biro diagrams you do!😄 and the demonstrations. It makes it easier to understand.
We have one of these feeding our toilet that we inherited from the last owners. We only tend to shut our water off from the water meter anyway but thanks for the heads up on this Al.
No problem keep well sugarpuff.
I have always thought flexible pipes with isolating valves was a silly idea. Far rather fit a valve onto the copper then add the flexi if required. That way it is easy to change the flexi if it goes bad
That`s my thoughts too nick.
Such great advice, thank you so much. I love your channel.
Thanks for watching! Cheers Alan.
Great advice, but I don't see many plumbers wanting to fiddle with a piece of copper pipe to connect to flexi and isolation valve when they can get one that already comes at the end of the flexi.
Yes, you are right, that`s why it`s down to you to tell them what you want and it `s not one of them.
I looked under my bath the other day (I'm installing a toilet) and notice the cold hose has been leaking slightly, I switched off the valve on the hot and a bead of water appeared around the screw.......in Australia insurance companies won't pay out if you have these!
Am not surprised Andrew.
Hi Al thought you would have mentioned about full bore not small bore valves if you have low pressure in the house . Take care
Good thinking another video maybe.
In america we have flex lines with built in valves made of plastic and they are also crap, they are called accor flowtite valves and they are used by cheap builders.
Thanks Jack.
Hi al grat vid. What brands are better than pegler?
None that I know of.
You should always make sure these flexible hoses don't rub on anything. I had the metal braiding wear and a bulge appear, narrowly avoided a big flood in the bathroom as a result.
They have there faults just like everything I guess.
had one on my old toilet for 20 years without a problem, replaced the toilet now and used the same again. they are not a problem if maintained and turned a couple of times a year. can't see your problem with them, you are really slating them recently😃. most valves are only a problem when fitted and left for years without touching them. like my knees if i don't keep moving them.
When is the average joe blogs gonna get down on his knees and turn one. Answer only when things go wrong. Result leaking valve and sore knees, ha ha.
Always a pleasure watching your vids mate no matter how long or short. Great work as usual.
Much appreciated. Thanks Paul.
Bristan supply the integrated ball valve with flexi on their kitchen taps :(
Humm I wonder what quality that is.
Out of interest, which brands other than Pegler do you personally prefer in terms of quality/longevity?
Tectile sprint and masterflow
Thanks! @@dereton33
Do screwfix do the cheap nasty ones ?.
Yes
Don't use flexible hoses...ticking time bomb.
Very true.
No more ticking time bomb than pushfit which is widely used..
Inclined to disagree with you mate, had one connected to the lavatory for years without issue, might be more about the brand and manufacture? Just an opinion but keep up the good work.
Thanks for sharing. Had nothing but trouble from these. Always leaked when turned.
To be honest I have only used the valve in anger once and thats when the pipe itself failed (rubber inner perished) so just turned it off to isolate the bathroom tap an then the whole lot was replaced. You should really never have to use them.
They are a risk using them.
I have fitted loads ,never been problem
I have fitted loads and always been a problem.