I was there at the boat show, as an IP owner, went to check out the 439. Did a quick look at all the deck hardware/rigging for ideas to improve my boat. Quick look below and really liked the new layout with the utility space. Took a seat in the cockpit and started a conversation with whom I thought was an IP rep. He didn’t throw off the salesman vibe at all, kind of reserved, and after watching the video I know know why! He was the owner!
I enjoyed the Halberg Ramsey tour. There was a lot of good confirmation of the improvements I am doing to my Southerley 135. One thing I have had to spend a lot of time with was the Twin Raycor filters. I have very little room around my engine so had to do a very compact version. Once I got into it I realized that I should add a fuel polishing pump, so have added a Marco SP3 Gear Pump, and with 5 valves I can draw fuel through either or both filters plus lock them off completely. I can draw fuel from a reserve tank or drum (with integrated fuel return. With the pump I can circulate fuel from the main tanks or the reserve supply through either or both fuel filters. With the pump I can also purge the fuel lines of air and gunk. If you are interested I can send you images, and supply the metal files so you can get a local Laser cut and folder to make the parts that hold the whole thing together. It is a bit more complicated than the Raycor unit they showed there, but it is smaller and does so much more. I standardized the design to have 13mm bore plumbing through out the system, and now have to upgrade the fuel lines from the filters to my tanks to handle the Polishing Fuel Flow. The new line size makes this filter set suitable for up to 450 HP engines.
Nice to see you again. It was also fun, for me as a Swede, to hear Jonas tell about the boat. He did that clearly and well, but his dialect from Gothenburg even when he spoke English made me lose my concentration a bit but also smile. That dialect is also pronounced in Sweden and appreciated by many.
What a great surprise to see your video. Miss you two! My Sunday morning coffee and video tradition has not been the same. What do I want in a blue water cruiser? Hmmm. Safety is always my biggest thing - I am not a brave or "hang by a thread" kind of girl lol. A nice beefy keel is a must. On my wish list is proper storage for belongings and misc sundries. In bad weather our stuff just flies in every direction. We picked up an afternoon squall in the Tangier Sound this summer and at least two times I felt like we went air born in the washing machine conditions. I am sure that is an exaggeration but it FELT like we went air born lol. In fact all of our food, clothing, dishes, etc DID go air born.
The two biggest problems on a sail boat, apparently are 1) lost of a keel 2) lost of a rudder. Also, I have a problem with tight rigging. I would probably choose a sail boat with a long keel (not a full keel) with a rudder and propeller that are protected by the keel. One of my requirement is the ability to sail over an infinite number of fishing gear, nets or Sargasso weed without anything catching on the long keel or the rudder. I would probably choose an easy to reef, loose foot, unstayed Cat Ketch rig with wishbones and a small jib (if possible). Except for the small jib the rig is self tacking.
Blue water cruiser? Loved the comment about the Spreaders. Kraken yachts tick the boxes. Integral keel integral skeg in line. Up front water tight bulk head. Solent rig. Oversized furling to furl while sails full. Centre cockpit. No gas. Thick hull. Wind vane. Keel stepped mast. Like furler above, over size rigging. Running back stay. Preventer. Cheers Tom
3 things.. 1. Reliability - I want something that will take a beating and shrug it off. Dual rudders are nice here in the event an orca decides to take one off. Definitely don't want the keel falling off or getting dismasted after a turnbuckle breaks. Good self righting in the event a breaking wave knocks the boat over. (I can go on and on about reliability/safety stuff) 2. Protection from the elements - Sure the sun and the breeze are great when you are sitting anchored/moored off a beautiful beach, but I don't want to be getting baked or blasted by rain while on a 2,000nm+ passage. Also don't want a wave or swell breaking over and trying to wash me overboard. Center cockpits with center helm are my preferred style. (Remember if you are going to do much blue water sailing.. its not "if" you get caught in rough seas.. its "when") 3. Convenience - Long passages can take both a physical and mental toll on you. Especially if you are sailing single or dual handed. Easy operation of sails and access to important equipment are important. I don't want to be up on the foredeck at 3am trying to furl the Code 0 while already exhausted.. or contorted in an awkward position in heavy seas trying to replace an alternator belt.. or digging through a rats nest of wires trying to find a blown fuse.
This is a really good boat tour that you've put together, with great info presented by Jonas. I keep coming back to it. Let me offer a suggestion which I'm sure you've already noted: point the camera at the feature being described by the expert commentary. We won't think it's rude if you shift the view away from the commentator's face. Thanks.
Good to see you guys back after a long holiday from TH-cam. This video coverage of two great boat companies was a great choice to get back, and welcome back. I had been looking at both these brands for quite sometime, and I finally went with an IP 380. Something about the IP design and its robustness gives one a great sense of comfort, both physically and mentally. Being on the water, regardless whether you are a thousand miles in the ocean or ten miles out, you are at the mercy of the sudden changes in weather conditions. I have experienced freak weather while cruising just a mile off the coast, but 15 miles away from the marina. That 15 miles felt like a thousand miles with waves and the gusts pushing you from the back towards the marina. Luckily, the entrance to the marina was in line with the bow and a turn to the Portside after clearing the entrance saved the day. And that was on a twin engine motor yacht, on a sailboat would have been something else. I know the IP will take me home in situations like that any day. The traditional design of HR will definitely be my choice over their new design with two radars.
It's great to see you back !!! Long keel and so protected rudder and deep cockpit and very strong deck and cutter rig mast. Hope to see you soon for another video! Ciao
Sad we missed the Island Packet, looked interesting. The HR's have lost it for me after going twin ruddered on us. Sad that they felt they had to match the space of the production boats aft & thereby loose the good hull shape and in line rudder. I know we see lots of happy HR owners out there cruising but they are all the old models, I wonder if in 20 years time that will be the same or will it just be swapping stories of how they tapped a rudder on something and lost all steerage?!
The passport 545 was a nice boat. As far as features I like the full keel of the packet and I like a protected rudder as well as a center cockpit with lines led aft. The storage of the packet was also nice. I have more access in my engine room. It is huge but at the expense of a walk over which I kind of prefer because it gives a bit more privacy. The HR addressed one issue I have with a single bed which is a way to keep everyone on their side and off the floor when the boat is on a tack or bouncing around.
I know, when he mentioned the placements of the Lee cloths, I was impressed. I always thought island queens were useless underway, but the strategic placement of the Lee cloths solves that problem.
Glad to see you both, in the sailing arena. I have had a much smaller HR 31, that I picked up in Sweden in 2016 or so. The HR are well crafted and stylish, but the system upkeep requires knowledge and hands on upkeep. Also, didn’t care for the bolted keel (good bye blue tonic) Now, I am about to get into a 27’ Cape Dory with an outboard well with dual option to run an electric or gasoline engine and much much simpler boat. Wish me luck with the KISS philosophy!
Great video as usual! So nice seeing you guys out there! I love both but am leaning towards the Rassy. We've been long time followers of ya and I can remember when we got our first boat- a 34'Catalina which was perfect for us at the start. After five years we've upgraded to a beauty of a blue water 79 41' Island Trader Center Cockpit, two cabin, two bath chubby gal. She's about as perfect as she can get and I'm thinking a water maker and windvane (and tons of brightwork!) and she's ready to go. Just got our hands on her and so haven't taken her out this season but her solid build, comfortable/liveable interior design and safe, upgraded systems are what are important to us for long term liveaboard/bluewater cruising.
Great video, walkthrough was much better than others I have seen. Too many show off the bells and whistle but skip the functionality. Love the learning lesson at the end. I didn’t know the tension differences between swept and non-swept.
When I imagine a boat, all I worry about is living space. I'm not yet a sailor so perhaps my expectations are misplaced. Anyway, I Love your channel. It's always refreshing to watch.
For a marina condominium boat that won’t sail, wide open areas are desirable because they give you an open feel and lots of living space. For sailboats that will sail places, the whole thing will be on its side at around 10°-30° which means that a wide open space becomes a long fall. For these boats, you want the opposite: think cozy and tight. You will find that you will happily lived in just a few areas of the boat, in our case it was the starboard settee of our Morgan. The rest of the boat was used, but this one spot was pretty much where we lived! Your mind adjusts and you find that you really don’t need much. It’s kind of like living in a house, but you really spend all your time in one room, well the boat is just that one room.
Funny talking about the barber hauler as I use one myself for an extra knot of speed. The Halberg is a long-proven design. I have heard complaints about the rudder about the rudder design on IP’s. I like the Pacific Seacraft. But I own a Southern Cross 31.
#1 thing I look for in a boat is engine access. Lots of boats have terrible access. Im a fan of full keel, so that narrows down my options a lot. Engine and electronics area is critical. Thats where you will be spending time when things go wrong. My Cape Dory 28 required I hire small children to crawl in the tiny space to access the back of the engine oil filter. My IP29 is awesome. I have great 360 access to the engine no problem.
Good see you both again . What do I look for ? From follows function. Long keel full keel heavy displ,good comfort range ,good cap ratio,external chain plates ,cuyyer or ketch rig. Of course sweet classic lines . The rest down below follows function. Angus
Good input about the rig tension in the Hallberg Rassy. I have one on order and will be picking it up in May. What do you do to measure tension in a rig like this to be sure that it is at 25%? Is there a tool that you recommend that I keep with the boat during my travels?
You can use a Loos Gauge but it’s not very accurate or reliable. The best method is to measure the stretch of the stay. It is called “the folding rule method”. Basically, you release the tension on the stay and attach a 2 meter long rule or rod to the stay with tape and measure the stretch. Hold the rule so it is just a few mm above the terminal at the turnbuckle and attach the top of the rule to the stay. Mark the bottom of the rule and this will be Point 0. As you go tightening the stay, the steel will stretch and the stretch tells you the % of breaking strength of the wire. For 1x19 wire, every 1mm = 5% of the breaking strength. 25% would mean that you need to tighten the turnbuckles until the capshroud stretches 5mm above Point 0. The folding rule is the most accurate method to use. As you go tightening the turnbuckles, go counting the number of turns to increase it another 5%. This will tell you in the future roughly how many turns you need to take to correct the rig tension should the situation arise.
In a blue water boat I want most a ketch rig, heavy displacement, bow shaped to cut through rather than ride over choppy seas, and a big keel. I also like a center cockpit with a good enclosure because visibility is better and motion is less extreme.
Not sure the HR hull keel configuration Is it bolted or is it capsulated ? And the ruder Does it have a skeg? Or is it a spade ruder? It’s something important for an ocean going sailboat Thanks for the video
It’s a bolted on fin keel with twin spade rudders. The island packet has a full keel with a proper shoe at the bottom to support the rudder and the propeller is inside of an aperture to keep it all safe and supported. I like the full keel for ocean sailing!
I want an aluminum sailboat with island packet design and specs hahaha I love the IP boats, but I want one with the ability to be an expedition sailboat, sailing in north seas and all. Any suggestions?
Island Packet is the winner for offshore cruising applications. Modern HR has too many gizmos and moving parts on HR? Retractable bow thruster, hydraulic doors, adjustable stays, 3 separate water tanks, 3 refrigerators, stern thruster, foldable radar pole, ping pong ventilators...check your warranty papers.
Good point. The IP is the one you want to be in while you are out there, but when docking, (if everything is working) the HR is the one you want to be on.
My dream boat isn't a production boat. The top things my dream boat should have would be: 1. Unsinkable construction. 2. Two unstayed junk rigged masts. 3. Shallow draft - either bilge keel or swing keel. 4. Scow bow. 5. Swim platform. 6. Deckhouse. That's about it without going into details.
That would definitely need to be a custom build! Scow bows (while I didn’t like them at first sight) have really grown on me for all their benefits and attributes. Junk rigs really are the best sailplan in existence! Any sizes sail can be easily and quickly managed. About the keels: Duca from Odd Life Crafting showed me their future project and (as long as the keel design passes certification) it will be a really awesome design to improve righting moment while minimizing draft!
@@RiggingDoctor The scow bow definitely isn't as sexy as a wave piercing bow but deals much better with high seas since it doesn't go underwater nearly as often. The boat gets a lot more internal volume as well. It's possible to make the scow bow look presentable, SV Rosie G looks pretty good, there are some videos of it. It would be great to see what Duca invented.
For me, I’d definitely take that IP. It’s got all the features of a comfortable liveaboard, but the main thing for me is that keel and rudder configuration. With only a 5’ draft, you can get it into those shallow Bahamian marinas that other 40’+ bluewater boats like that HR just can’t get into, and even if you do manage to ram it into a shallow sand bank, you’re not going to break it. I do wonder how orca-proof the rudder is, though.
Two spade rudders. Not my favorite feature, but the rest of the boat is really well thought out. We toured it because we have met so many people who have happily and successfully cruised on them in all our travels, but I like a full keel for bluewater (personal opinion).
@@RiggingDoctor I totally agree , why expose yourself to the risk . Martin Jambo just lots his rudder and his boat due to a collision with something offshore and his rudder is protected by his keel , .........Still lost it .
At $600,000-$800,000, I think we will keep with our boats from the 1960s. If we had endless funds and no boat, the Island Packet would be our vote. There was so much taken into consideration when designing and building the boat! It’s a toss up as there are pros and cons to both. The Hallberg-Rassy has a fin keel while the Island Packet has a full keel, neither is a true cutter, but the Island Packet has a lower stress rig. It’s always going to be a compromise, but we would be willing to compromise on the Island Packet more than the Hallberg-Rassy.
Less than half a milliion dollars would be nice. Electric auxilliary. Solar panels. Lots of solar panels. Wind gen. No fossil fuels at all so no 75HP diesel no matter how nicely the fuel lines and filters are laid out. Room for close to 20kWh li-ion battery or preferably more. And lastly no beam carried aft that will make the boat less seaworthy in a strong following sea. But less beam aft would sacrifice the aft cabin so popular these days. I doubt any boat on display at Annapolis would meet those criteria. OTOH - my dream boat is still an unfinished restoration project so maybe anything that floats *now* would be better.
Modern boats are moving towards the “marina queen” look, but these two boats can get you safely across an ocean. Sadly, they are both crazy expensive because you are paying for a well designed and built boat. You know my personal preference which is why I am rebuilding the Alberg at this moment and continuing to work on Wisdom. These are examples of a “brand new boat” that you can get from the factory, not a selection of the best boats throughout history (it would still be a very short list).
I'm a big fan of Halberg Rassy BUT... As Steve and Judy from sv Fair Isle mentioned, they were build like tanks, with encapsulated keel, skeg hunged rudder and the majority of the boats you have seen around the world are those heavy build ocean going vessels. Now days, with twin spade rudders protruding unprotected on each corner, IMO they are disaster waiting to happen... 😢
The double rudders are exposed to impacts without the slightest protection system... This is an extremely serious weakness when sailing around the world on the high seas. Any boat without a skeg or other protection for the propeller shaft cannot really be considered an ocean-going boat!
What do I look for? In reality? Simplicity, economy and an encapsulated keel, ala Atom Voyager. Couldn't afford the Island Packet and don't like the harbor-condo feel of the HR
Nice features, borderline glamping? Get it in some weather, that’s the real test. Hands off sailing - not for me. Most satisfying videos of yours are of your journeys, middle of the Atlantic, just the day to day struggles and joys. Blue water sailing is not for everyone. Mentally, physically it is a burden. The acceptance of that burden and the hardships are what make the accomplishments and the joys so much richer! There is an inner balance that must be maintained during the ordeal. You have found it. Few have.
Why do no other boat companies copy Hallberg Rassy's layout? They are able to raise and raise prices because they have so little competition compared to the dozens of "med" European aft cockpit boats...obviously their quality is extremely high as well, but the layout is just staggeringly better in my view for bluewater cruising and great accommodations...They seem like the only innovator in the space these days beyond the dutch aluminum builders...
Island Packet is another great boat, and a lot of thought went into the East Coast down to Caribean cruising...both awesome examples of boats with a lot of thought.
Island Packet is the best blue water ....full keel is a must and the layout is a very solid for upkeep and fulltime living. Being a true all American build it's overbuilt and over engineered.
Looks to me that a hallberg -rassy is no longer the blue water boat it once was. It’s no better then any of the European production boats. Too ocean racing boat derived features and little of what made them the reliable ocean passage and expedition cruising boats the once were. ( I mean not just a unsupported spade rudder but TWO I supported spade rudders nether inline with the keel or protected in any way from all kinds of things they could run into. For me for that money Buy a Kraken yacht.
Island Packets are too wude, too shallow, too heavy. The long keel and ruddet are very poor performers. Its a motorsailor at best. Then they put a roller furling main on to destroy any last vestige of performance. They sail like bricks. Dangerously bad.
@@RiggingDoctor No it still sucks. It sucks horribly. Compared to a sailing boat they are still too beamy, too heavy, too under rigged and with similar weight and hydrodynamics to a cathedral. Full keels and heavy displacement haven't reigned supreme for 80 years.
I was there at the boat show, as an IP owner, went to check out the 439. Did a quick look at all the deck hardware/rigging for ideas to improve my boat. Quick look below and really liked the new layout with the utility space. Took a seat in the cockpit and started a conversation with whom I thought was an IP rep. He didn’t throw off the salesman vibe at all, kind of reserved, and after watching the video I know know why! He was the owner!
My top three: reputation of the manufacturer. Skeg hung rudder. Lots of sail area so we don’t have to motor in light winds.
I enjoyed the Halberg Ramsey tour. There was a lot of good confirmation of the improvements I am doing to my Southerley 135. One thing I have had to spend a lot of time with was the Twin Raycor filters. I have very little room around my engine so had to do a very compact version. Once I got into it I realized that I should add a fuel polishing pump, so have added a Marco SP3 Gear Pump, and with 5 valves I can draw fuel through either or both filters plus lock them off completely. I can draw fuel from a reserve tank or drum (with integrated fuel return. With the pump I can circulate fuel from the main tanks or the reserve supply through either or both fuel filters. With the pump I can also purge the fuel lines of air and gunk. If you are interested I can send you images, and supply the metal files so you can get a local Laser cut and folder to make the parts that hold the whole thing together. It is a bit more complicated than the Raycor unit they showed there, but it is smaller and does so much more. I standardized the design to have 13mm bore plumbing through out the system, and now have to upgrade the fuel lines from the filters to my tanks to handle the Polishing Fuel Flow. The new line size makes this filter set suitable for up to 450 HP engines.
Wow! That’s an awesome setup! I would love to see more of it.
My email is riggingdr@gmail.com
Nice to see you again. It was also fun, for me as a Swede, to hear Jonas tell about the boat. He did that clearly and well, but his dialect from Gothenburg even when he spoke English made me lose my concentration a bit but also smile. That dialect is also pronounced in Sweden and appreciated by many.
I think it’s very pleasing to listen to!
What a great surprise to see your video. Miss you two! My Sunday morning coffee and video tradition has not been the same. What do I want in a blue water cruiser? Hmmm. Safety is always my biggest thing - I am not a brave or "hang by a thread" kind of girl lol. A nice beefy keel is a must. On my wish list is proper storage for belongings and misc sundries. In bad weather our stuff just flies in every direction. We picked up an afternoon squall in the Tangier Sound this summer and at least two times I felt like we went air born in the washing machine conditions. I am sure that is an exaggeration but it FELT like we went air born lol. In fact all of our food, clothing, dishes, etc DID go air born.
Ouch! All it takes is a free fall off a steep wave for stuff to go airborne.
The two biggest problems on a sail boat, apparently are 1) lost of a keel 2) lost of a rudder. Also, I have a problem with tight rigging. I would probably choose a sail boat with a long keel (not a full keel) with a rudder and propeller that are protected by the keel. One of my requirement is the ability to sail over an infinite number of fishing gear, nets or Sargasso weed without anything catching on the long keel or the rudder. I would probably choose an easy to reef, loose foot, unstayed Cat Ketch rig with wishbones and a small jib (if possible). Except for the small jib the rig is self tacking.
Blue water cruiser? Loved the comment about the Spreaders. Kraken yachts tick the boxes. Integral keel integral skeg in line. Up front water tight bulk head. Solent rig. Oversized furling to furl while sails full. Centre cockpit. No gas. Thick hull. Wind vane. Keel stepped mast. Like furler above, over size rigging. Running back stay. Preventer. Cheers Tom
I hope they are at the next boat show, I would love to see one in person!
3 things..
1. Reliability - I want something that will take a beating and shrug it off. Dual rudders are nice here in the event an orca decides to take one off. Definitely don't want the keel falling off or getting dismasted after a turnbuckle breaks. Good self righting in the event a breaking wave knocks the boat over. (I can go on and on about reliability/safety stuff)
2. Protection from the elements - Sure the sun and the breeze are great when you are sitting anchored/moored off a beautiful beach, but I don't want to be getting baked or blasted by rain while on a 2,000nm+ passage. Also don't want a wave or swell breaking over and trying to wash me overboard. Center cockpits with center helm are my preferred style. (Remember if you are going to do much blue water sailing.. its not "if" you get caught in rough seas.. its "when")
3. Convenience - Long passages can take both a physical and mental toll on you. Especially if you are sailing single or dual handed. Easy operation of sails and access to important equipment are important. I don't want to be up on the foredeck at 3am trying to furl the Code 0 while already exhausted.. or contorted in an awkward position in heavy seas trying to replace an alternator belt.. or digging through a rats nest of wires trying to find a blown fuse.
This is a really good boat tour that you've put together, with great info presented by Jonas. I keep coming back to it. Let me offer a suggestion which I'm sure you've already noted: point the camera at the feature being described by the expert commentary. We won't think it's rude if you shift the view away from the commentator's face. Thanks.
Good to see you guys back after a long holiday from TH-cam. This video coverage of two great boat companies was a great choice to get back, and welcome back.
I had been looking at both these brands for quite sometime, and I finally went with an IP 380. Something about the IP design and its robustness gives one a great sense of comfort, both physically and mentally. Being on the water, regardless whether you are a thousand miles in the ocean or ten miles out, you are at the mercy of the sudden changes in weather conditions. I have experienced freak weather while cruising just a mile off the coast, but 15 miles away from the marina. That 15 miles felt like a thousand miles with waves and the gusts pushing you from the back towards the marina. Luckily, the entrance to the marina was in line with the bow and a turn to the Portside after clearing the entrance saved the day. And that was on a twin engine motor yacht, on a sailboat would have been something else. I know the IP will take me home in situations like that any day.
The traditional design of HR will definitely be my choice over their new design with two radars.
It's great to see you back !!!
Long keel and so protected rudder and deep cockpit and very strong deck and cutter rig mast. Hope to see you soon for another video! Ciao
I didn't think I was going to enjoy this but it was great. Out of my price range, but a guy can dream for sure. 🙂
Out of ours too haha! But it’s good to get inspired
Sad we missed the Island Packet, looked interesting. The HR's have lost it for me after going twin ruddered on us. Sad that they felt they had to match the space of the production boats aft & thereby loose the good hull shape and in line rudder. I know we see lots of happy HR owners out there cruising but they are all the old models, I wonder if in 20 years time that will be the same or will it just be swapping stories of how they tapped a rudder on something and lost all steerage?!
Twin rudders ??? !!! all for those fat sterns and big aft cabins . Thats not going to help you when theirs a big hole were the rudder use to be
The passport 545 was a nice boat. As far as features I like the full keel of the packet and I like a protected rudder as well as a center cockpit with lines led aft. The storage of the packet was also nice. I have more access in my engine room. It is huge but at the expense of a walk over which I kind of prefer because it gives a bit more privacy. The HR addressed one issue I have with a single bed which is a way to keep everyone on their side and off the floor when the boat is on a tack or bouncing around.
I know, when he mentioned the placements of the Lee cloths, I was impressed. I always thought island queens were useless underway, but the strategic placement of the Lee cloths solves that problem.
Glad to see you both, in the sailing arena. I have had a much smaller HR 31, that I picked up in Sweden in 2016 or so. The HR are well crafted and stylish, but the system upkeep requires knowledge and hands on upkeep. Also, didn’t care for the bolted keel (good bye blue tonic)
Now, I am about to get into a 27’ Cape Dory with an outboard well with dual option to run an electric or gasoline engine and much much simpler boat. Wish me luck with the KISS philosophy!
Wow, you two are still with us
It’s been a minute!
Great video as usual! So nice seeing you guys out there! I love both but am leaning towards the Rassy. We've been long time followers of ya and I can remember when we got our first boat- a 34'Catalina which was perfect for us at the start. After five years we've upgraded to a beauty of a blue water 79 41' Island Trader Center Cockpit, two cabin, two bath chubby gal. She's about as perfect as she can get and I'm thinking a water maker and windvane (and tons of brightwork!) and she's ready to go. Just got our hands on her and so haven't taken her out this season but her solid build, comfortable/liveable interior design and safe, upgraded systems are what are important to us for long term liveaboard/bluewater cruising.
I love that Hallbreg-Rassy 44. 🤤 Only thing it's missing is a Starlink dish.
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY! 😭
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Our 3 main Themes: full Keel ( + Skeg), Centre cockpit (Decksaloon?) and easy accessible/reparable equipment. Thanks 👍
Sounds like a solid plan!
Great video, walkthrough was much better than others I have seen. Too many show off the bells and whistle but skip the functionality. Love the learning lesson at the end. I didn’t know the tension differences between swept and non-swept.
Some very nice boats.
Definitely out of our budget, but full of great ideas to incorporate into our builds.
Island packet ❤ a sailor boat for cruises.
Rustler❤❤🎉
Halberg rassy 🎉.
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Agreed
When I imagine a boat, all I worry about is living space. I'm not yet a sailor so perhaps my expectations are misplaced. Anyway, I Love your channel. It's always refreshing to watch.
For a marina condominium boat that won’t sail, wide open areas are desirable because they give you an open feel and lots of living space. For sailboats that will sail places, the whole thing will be on its side at around 10°-30° which means that a wide open space becomes a long fall. For these boats, you want the opposite: think cozy and tight.
You will find that you will happily lived in just a few areas of the boat, in our case it was the starboard settee of our Morgan. The rest of the boat was used, but this one spot was pretty much where we lived!
Your mind adjusts and you find that you really don’t need much. It’s kind of like living in a house, but you really spend all your time in one room, well the boat is just that one room.
Funny talking about the barber hauler as I use one myself for an extra knot of speed. The Halberg is a long-proven design. I have heard complaints about the rudder about the rudder design on IP’s. I like the Pacific Seacraft. But I own a Southern Cross 31.
#1 thing I look for in a boat is engine access. Lots of boats have terrible access. Im a fan of full keel, so that narrows down my options a lot. Engine and electronics area is critical. Thats where you will be spending time when things go wrong. My Cape Dory 28 required I hire small children to crawl in the tiny space to access the back of the engine oil filter. My IP29 is awesome. I have great 360 access to the engine no problem.
That is such an important aspect to look at. If the engine has easy access, maintenance will be easier and therefore be done in a more timely manner.
Good see you both again .
What do I look for ? From follows function. Long keel full keel heavy displ,good comfort range ,good cap ratio,external chain plates ,cuyyer or ketch rig. Of course sweet classic lines . The rest down below follows function.
Angus
Good input about the rig tension in the Hallberg Rassy. I have one on order and will be picking it up in May. What do you do to measure tension in a rig like this to be sure that it is at 25%? Is there a tool that you recommend that I keep with the boat during my travels?
You can use a Loos Gauge but it’s not very accurate or reliable. The best method is to measure the stretch of the stay.
It is called “the folding rule method”. Basically, you release the tension on the stay and attach a 2 meter long rule or rod to the stay with tape and measure the stretch.
Hold the rule so it is just a few mm above the terminal at the turnbuckle and attach the top of the rule to the stay. Mark the bottom of the rule and this will be Point 0.
As you go tightening the stay, the steel will stretch and the stretch tells you the % of breaking strength of the wire. For 1x19 wire, every 1mm = 5% of the breaking strength.
25% would mean that you need to tighten the turnbuckles until the capshroud stretches 5mm above Point 0.
The folding rule is the most accurate method to use. As you go tightening the turnbuckles, go counting the number of turns to increase it another 5%. This will tell you in the future roughly how many turns you need to take to correct the rig tension should the situation arise.
In a blue water boat I want most a ketch rig, heavy displacement, bow shaped to cut through rather than ride over choppy seas, and a big keel. I also like a center cockpit with a good enclosure because visibility is better and motion is less extreme.
Sounds like an Amel is your boat
I love the Island Packet, great features . But my choice would be the Halbert. But I would want to see what she is like, under rough weather.
Not sure the HR hull keel configuration
Is it bolted or is it capsulated ?
And the ruder
Does it have a skeg? Or is it a spade ruder?
It’s something important for an ocean going sailboat
Thanks for the video
It’s a bolted on fin keel with twin spade rudders.
The island packet has a full keel with a proper shoe at the bottom to support the rudder and the propeller is inside of an aperture to keep it all safe and supported.
I like the full keel for ocean sailing!
Sounds like a dream. What’s the poor man’s option?
Buy a full keel boat from the 1960s and start rebuilding! (That’s what I’m doing)
@@RiggingDoctor I guess I was more asking what's the cheapest new boat that you could buy at the show that could handle bluewater? Cheers
Hmm all the new boats at the boat show are going to run you pretty high, especially once you get to the blue water capable ones.
I want an aluminum sailboat with island packet design and specs hahaha I love the IP boats, but I want one with the ability to be an expedition sailboat, sailing in north seas and all. Any suggestions?
Check out Gebroeders van Enkhuizen from The Netherlands, they might have what you're looking for.
WHO is the HR representative that did the walk thru?
Thanks.
Jonas Zelleroth
Skeg hung rudder, integral keel, strong fiberglass lay up
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Island Packet is the winner for offshore cruising applications. Modern HR has too many gizmos and moving parts on HR? Retractable bow thruster, hydraulic doors, adjustable stays, 3 separate water tanks, 3 refrigerators, stern thruster, foldable radar pole, ping pong ventilators...check your warranty papers.
Good point. The IP is the one you want to be in while you are out there, but when docking, (if everything is working) the HR is the one you want to be on.
That HR was cool. But I was thinking "That will break.....that also will break.....that too is gonna break....."
nice - THe HR needs protected rudders and the Packet needs a cut away in the full keel so it handles better.
Every boat is a compromise, but some compromises people are not willing to make which is why they choose a different boat.
No hybrid diesel. A missed opportunity, I think.
My dream boat isn't a production boat. The top things my dream boat should have would be:
1. Unsinkable construction.
2. Two unstayed junk rigged masts.
3. Shallow draft - either bilge keel or swing keel.
4. Scow bow.
5. Swim platform.
6. Deckhouse.
That's about it without going into details.
That would definitely need to be a custom build!
Scow bows (while I didn’t like them at first sight) have really grown on me for all their benefits and attributes.
Junk rigs really are the best sailplan in existence! Any sizes sail can be easily and quickly managed.
About the keels: Duca from Odd Life Crafting showed me their future project and (as long as the keel design passes certification) it will be a really awesome design to improve righting moment while minimizing draft!
@@RiggingDoctor The scow bow definitely isn't as sexy as a wave piercing bow but deals much better with high seas since it doesn't go underwater nearly as often. The boat gets a lot more internal volume as well.
It's possible to make the scow bow look presentable, SV Rosie G looks pretty good, there are some videos of it.
It would be great to see what Duca invented.
Full keel, cutter rig, big tankage.
Respect.
HR 44 = nice price - shew in my dreams
For me, I’d definitely take that IP. It’s got all the features of a comfortable liveaboard, but the main thing for me is that keel and rudder configuration. With only a 5’ draft, you can get it into those shallow Bahamian marinas that other 40’+ bluewater boats like that HR just can’t get into, and even if you do manage to ram it into a shallow sand bank, you’re not going to break it. I do wonder how orca-proof the rudder is, though.
Twin rudders ? I guess there not protected by the keel ....
Two spade rudders. Not my favorite feature, but the rest of the boat is really well thought out. We toured it because we have met so many people who have happily and successfully cruised on them in all our travels, but I like a full keel for bluewater (personal opinion).
@@RiggingDoctor I totally agree , why expose yourself to the risk . Martin Jambo just lots his rudder and his boat due to a collision with something offshore and his rudder is protected by his keel , .........Still lost it .
Ok guys which one are you going to buy 😊🇬🇧👍
At $600,000-$800,000, I think we will keep with our boats from the 1960s.
If we had endless funds and no boat, the Island Packet would be our vote. There was so much taken into consideration when designing and building the boat!
It’s a toss up as there are pros and cons to both. The Hallberg-Rassy has a fin keel while the Island Packet has a full keel, neither is a true cutter, but the Island Packet has a lower stress rig.
It’s always going to be a compromise, but we would be willing to compromise on the Island Packet more than the Hallberg-Rassy.
My Vega has something that those boats have not. Simplicity.
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Less than half a milliion dollars would be nice. Electric auxilliary. Solar panels. Lots of solar panels. Wind gen. No fossil fuels at all so no 75HP diesel no matter how nicely the fuel lines and filters are laid out. Room for close to 20kWh li-ion battery or preferably more. And lastly no beam carried aft that will make the boat less seaworthy in a strong following sea. But less beam aft would sacrifice the aft cabin so popular these days. I doubt any boat on display at Annapolis would meet those criteria. OTOH - my dream boat is still an unfinished restoration project so maybe anything that floats *now* would be better.
Modern boats are moving towards the “marina queen” look, but these two boats can get you safely across an ocean. Sadly, they are both crazy expensive because you are paying for a well designed and built boat.
You know my personal preference which is why I am rebuilding the Alberg at this moment and continuing to work on Wisdom. These are examples of a “brand new boat” that you can get from the factory, not a selection of the best boats throughout history (it would still be a very short list).
I'm a big fan of Halberg Rassy BUT...
As Steve and Judy from sv Fair Isle mentioned, they were build like tanks, with encapsulated keel, skeg hunged rudder and the majority of the boats you have seen around the world are those heavy build ocean going vessels. Now days, with twin spade rudders protruding unprotected on each corner, IMO they are disaster waiting to happen... 😢
The double rudders are exposed to impacts without the slightest protection system... This is an extremely serious weakness when sailing around the world on the high seas. Any boat without a skeg or other protection for the propeller shaft cannot really be considered an ocean-going boat!
Is your camer locked on the guy speaking, or are you wired to the moon?
What do I look for? In reality? Simplicity, economy and an encapsulated keel, ala Atom Voyager. Couldn't afford the Island Packet and don't like the harbor-condo feel of the HR
Nice features, borderline glamping? Get it in some weather, that’s the real test. Hands off sailing - not for me. Most satisfying videos of yours are of your journeys, middle of the Atlantic, just the day to day struggles and joys. Blue water sailing is not for everyone. Mentally, physically it is a burden. The acceptance of that burden and the hardships are what make the accomplishments and the joys so much richer! There is an inner balance that must be maintained during the ordeal. You have found it. Few have.
Why do no other boat companies copy Hallberg Rassy's layout? They are able to raise and raise prices because they have so little competition compared to the dozens of "med" European aft cockpit boats...obviously their quality is extremely high as well, but the layout is just staggeringly better in my view for bluewater cruising and great accommodations...They seem like the only innovator in the space these days beyond the dutch aluminum builders...
Island Packet is another great boat, and a lot of thought went into the East Coast down to Caribean cruising...both awesome examples of boats with a lot of thought.
BTW, the dutch aluminum builders w/ wheel houses are pretty awesome...you can sit inside on watch or motoring...
Island Packet is the best blue water ....full keel is a must and the layout is a very solid for upkeep and fulltime living. Being a true all American build it's overbuilt and over engineered.
I completely agree! If it weren’t for the price tag, I would have bought an Island Packet as my first boat.
Looks to me that a hallberg -rassy is no longer the blue water boat it once was. It’s no better then any of the European production boats. Too ocean racing boat derived features and little of what made them the reliable ocean passage and expedition cruising boats the once were. ( I mean not just a unsupported spade rudder but TWO I supported spade rudders nether inline with the keel or protected in any way from all kinds of things they could run into. For me for that money Buy a Kraken yacht.
Island Packets are too wude, too shallow, too heavy. The long keel and ruddet are very poor performers. Its a motorsailor at best. Then they put a roller furling main on to destroy any last vestige of performance. They sail like bricks. Dangerously bad.
Compared to a light displacement fin keel, they are horrible performers. Out on the ocean where winds are steady, their full keel reigns supreme.
@@RiggingDoctor No it still sucks. It sucks horribly. Compared to a sailing boat they are still too beamy, too heavy, too under rigged and with similar weight and hydrodynamics to a cathedral. Full keels and heavy displacement haven't reigned supreme for 80 years.