I remember back in the day when the G3258 and the GTX 750 Ti seemed like the budget build combo of choice for a lot of people. Can't imagine it holding up all that well today.
Couldn't agree more. I'd a Pentium G860 (2nd Gen. Sandy Bridge) along with an R7-260X (comparable to 750Ti, more or less). I bought that CPU thinking it'd serve me well for years to come... until I ran Mass Effect 3 (original) on it. There were tons of stutters and jitters and the system would struggle to maintain even 50FPS at times, probably due to Nvidia PhysX eating up CPU resources. Knew straight away what a massive mistake I'd made. Even the ancient Q6600 running bone stock would've fared better than that G860. Skipped the i5, jumped straight to i7-2600 and never looked back.
I had a g3258 cpu as a place holder in 2014 as I saved up for an i5 4690k. It performed well enough for the games I played at the time like kerbal space program and elite dangerous
honestly your videos are so well made that i didn't even notice you weren't getting that many views, i love your videos !! you'll get there some day, you certainly have the skill for it !!!
I thought his GTA V results were strange, I wonder if the game has changed since 2014. I played that on a system with the same CPU @ 4.5Ghz and an r7 265. It did not do what he saw.
@@GOPACKERSJT I was definitely on W7 and I remember playing Metro Last Light with a GTX 950 and getting over 60 fps no stutters it used to stutter a bit in GTA 5 but not as much as in this video
You missed the most important aspect: Windows XP I still use the G3258 to this day... not in my main build, but in my WinXP retro rig. It is the best chip possible for XP, by a very wide margin. Haswell (Broadwell) is the last platform that supports XP. There are no XP exclusives that can utilize more than 2 threads... and despite the 3.2 Ghz base clock, this beast easily overclocks up to a massive 4.5, sometimes even 4.6 or 4.7. The next closest performer to this in XP would be an i5 with two of the cores disabled in BIOS to save on TDP and voltage. It was technically a "Devil's Canyon" release alongside the refreshed i5-4690K and i7-4790K chips. With an improved TIM and voltage regulator under the IHS. Though you can still delid and liquid metal to eek out a couple more Mhz if you want.
Delidding didn't help for me, max OC was stll 4.7GHz, but did it anyway. These run so cool even with a copper-core stock cooler that almost anything can cool these.
@@RuruFIN Yeah I run mine at 5.1Ghz with a tower cooler without any fans on it, and the only case fans are one 200mm intake and one slim 200mm exhaust (BitFenix Survivor) it would be inaudible if I got a passive PSU.
I definitely don’t have a budget rig (12700k/3060 Ti/DDR5), but your videos are always a delight to watch. I love that you how show off the utility (or lack thereof) of less shiny parts that can be grabbed for a bargain. Keep up the good work!
Great video. Keep in mind that when it was released in 2014, a pc with the G3258 and a gtx 750ti could be assembled for around $250 which was an incredible value for it's time and 720p gaming was very common then. You could get a 4.2ghz with no cpu throttling on the stock cooler. A whole lot of games like Far Cry 3 were played on those budget machines. I am surprised that Crysis doesn't play better, maybe an update has made it worse for dual core pc's, (Maybe your overclock is too high, I have a suspicion that if you lowered the o.c to 4.5ghz AND lowered the voltage that your audio problems might disappear.) Now days, the G3258 is good for a cheap Windows 7 or XP retro gaming pc. As shown, Vsync is often a friend.
No it wasn't, back in the day you could build an Athlon X4 750K + R7 260X for way cheaper and get more than double the performance of that combo, but nobody really knew it back then, reviewers were using outdated games optimized for Nvidia in their benchmarks, and many broke college students only cared about CSGO and LoL which are DX9 games. On the other hand, the G3258 and 750 Ti still have value for collectors, so sometimes buying iconic terrible hardware is a good idea.
James Smith, Crysis runs very well with a Barton (2.O GHz single core). The game doesn't need a more powerful processor, the RTX 3070 does. All tests are wrong because of this.
I can still remember getting my first AMD Dual Core and how proud I was. Today, you can't really use a CPU with less than 8 Threads - damn, I'm grown old. I really like your Videos. Really well-made, great voice-over, and I love that humor of yours. When are we getting Patreon? (Idiot me just saw it at the end of the Video :D)
I watched nearly all of your videos and I´ve come to the conclusion that you are one of my favourite content creators in the last months. Respect for the always stunning quality
I suggest testing the Pentium Gold G4560. I used it as a basis on an office build I made a few years ago and unlike its predecessors it did have HT. For 50-60€ it was a great option at the time as I think it was almost as fast as an i3.
@@IcebergTech I'm still using a 2015 G3258 on my office computer with a 660 TI and it runs great with pre 2020 titles with the exception of far cry 4 that demands 4 cores. it will play far cry 5 and 6 is questionable but still playable on a h81m motherboard.
Dug out my g3258 and oc to 4.0ghz on stock cooler. Stable so will run benchmarks soon. Added 16gb ddr3 1600mhz ram and ssd. Thanks for the inspiration!
10:42 I am 100% certain this CPU could have handled Crysis...on Windows 7. Around that time that was the most popular OS and the much lower overhead it provided could have made the experience at least playable. That alone was the reason most people held on to it until 2020, some even holding on until this very year (I myself only moved on because the GPU in my 7 system died a few months ago). Pity right now 7 has become a liability (online at least), as even extended support has ended, but it was fun while it lasted. Also, given the results on display, I'm sure a lot of FX 6300 users feel smug right about now...last I checked, there weren't any games to not start on that chip... P.S. Nice jab at sponsors in the intro XD P.P.S. I know Windows 8 was also around at that time, but let's be honest, it flopped (8.1 was too little too late)
Yeah, that had occurred to me. Crysis is usually a nightmare for me on any system these days, it straight up refuses to start on my R7 5700X and I can't figure out why. PS. The jab was at TH-cam advice channels! Next week's intro jab is at TH-camrs who use the word "guys" a lot. Maybe I shouldn't be burning bridges like this...
I wonder where the sound goes, during its time away. Is there a magical sound purgatory somewhere in the pc where it hangs out with all the other forgotten background processes while it waits for its turn?
I have binned a bunch of these CPUs , most cap at 4.4-4.6ghz really hard to find ones that do 4.8-5ghz. my best sample does 4.9ghz at 1.375v. reviewers mostly got cherry picked samples to sell the product in a misleading way showing them easily doing 4.7ghz+ GTA V ran fine back in the day but due to a fairly recent update after its launch to address multi core threading issues it is now unplayable on the G3258. Before the update it could do 60fps locked fairly well with minimal stutter. Most games also hidden lockouts and will just not run on a dual core at all Far Cry 4 being one of them I think
I have a soft spot for the G3258 as it was my "return" to DIY gaming PCs after going the laptop route for years through and after college. I'm typing this comment on a bit of a descendant of that system, which is a 4770k I keep in my office and is still surprisingly competent today. I still have the old 3258 at 4.6 GHzin a B85 board and the R9 270x I originally paired it with, which serves as a media center PC and plays Star Trek Online in the guest room. Even when new it wasn't much of a beast at the time, but it ran slightly older games at the time really, really well. I got it in the MicroCenter bundle for $100 with a motherboard and RAM, and pieced together the rest of a used system I could afford on my recent-grad budget. I had a free 8800GT at first, and later upgraded to the 270x which was on sale for Black Friday in 2014. I remember being so impressed at how well it ran everything from the late 2000s-2012ish that were a struggle on my Gateway FX laptop from college. I definitely played some GTA V on it, and it did run Crysis back then, but it was on Windows 7. GTA V was not smooth, but it was playable, haha. I upgraded to a 4670k and crossfire 280Xs around that time, and kept the 3258 and 270x as a secondary system as it still exists today.
you deserve so many more subs man, always enjoy watching these and you have a interesting voice unlike a lot of these monotonous channels, thanks alot :)
When I saw this release, I referred to it as a poor purchase then due to frame times and its lack of hyperthreading. Informed others to simply save their money and at least get last gen deals on higher core count options. There was much pushback by those who decided it was worth defending such a... product. However as always, time has shown which ones aged better than others. Thank you for showcasing the G3258.
In 2015 I had an Athlon II x2 250 at 3.6 GHz with a Gt 240, 8 gigs of RAM. GTA 5 and Crysis ran fairly ok around 30 fps avg with some stutters, but nothing as bad as this. It´s either new updates that broke those games with dual core cpus, or the newest Windows (I had windows 7 back then).
This channel is very interesting! I've been tempering with core 2 duos recently and they couldn't stream 1080p videos reliably even on a relatively barebone OS, RAM maxed out and an SSD. I'd be curious to see some multimedia tests, cause sometimes you just need a side PC for a home theatre for example.
Fun video although you can tell it must have been frustrating to make it. The story of the Core series of CPUs is kind of interesting. The story goes according to publications at the time that it was a further development of the much older Pentium 3 mobile platform that someone in their facilities in Israel was messing about with. Turned out to be what saved the company from a developmental dead end. When I worked in a PC shop around 2005 we used to jokingly refer to P4 systems as space heaters. One could have argued at the time marketing and brand recognition was the only thing that saved Intel from being buried by AMD and Apple.
Ive used that one in my main rig almost 10 years ago, and then gave it to my brother when I upgraded. He used it until february 2021 when he upgraded to 5600G. Now G3220 is at the heart of our home server, still going strong lol
I had that one alongside a GTX 750 nearly a decade ago. I was able to play GTA 5 but I had to cap it at 30 FPS due to the streaming issue as noted in the video.
I still own one of these - first computer I ever built, I got a z97 extreme 6 and a g3258 to tide me over until the launch of Broadwell. It was terrible in 2015 too. Even basic computer usage in early windows 10 was excruciating on 2 threads. I was just consolidating a bunch of loose PC parts and slapped together the old build a few days ago, but it's got a 5775c in it, not the Pentium K. I know some amateur LN2 overclockers, I've always been tempted to bring the system over and see how much I can get the pentium to rip
Back in the day, I was forever scarred by dual cores with Call of Duty: Black Ops. I enjoyed MW1 and MW2 well on my Pentium E2180 and 8600GT, but Black Ops just came outta nowhere the following year after MW2 and humbled my build. I went on to get a Core i3, wanted the i5 but couldn't get up to the price level at the time, but I was adamant that 4 threads were necessary. Then came this lovely Pentium G3258 that proved me absolutely right, shutting down all arguments. If I disable HT for example, all those issues you see with GTA5 manifests itself on my i3 3240, with HT on, completely gone, not even a hint of it. No matter how much you overclock a CPU, you just can't get over the 99% pegged utilization that's causing the issue.
This is absolute gold!!! I bought this exact cpu back in the day, tried to overclock the snot out of it to squeeze out more performance, and eventually just bought a used i5 off ebay. I couldn't believe how much faster the i5 was. The pentium was a total waste of time and money.
I'm pretty sure something is wrong with those Crysis numbers. The game ran very well on the Core 2 Duo CPUs back in the day which are also 2c/2t. I ordered one of these CPUs to do some testing with.
I commented this on the community post but I feel obligated to do it again here. this was the cpu in my first gaming pc, which I built for 350 dollars in 2017 when I was a broke middle school kid. paired it with an msi h81m p33 (which weirdly had overclocking), 8gb of ddr3 and a gtx 1050 2gb. back then I mostly played source engine games, minecraft, gta 4, etc. gta 4 mostly because I couldn't play gta 5 because even back then it was a stuttery unplayable mess on this cpu. same story with fortnite, which is why I never got into fortnite (this cpu did me a service, lets be real). but for those older games, it ran great. needless to say though, it was one of the first things I upgraded in that pc (went to an i7 4770k). interesting though that it outlived the 4770k, as I sold the 4770k to build a ryzen system 2 years ago and just gave the g3258, my shitty h81 mobo and the 16gb ddr3 i had at that point to my dad to use as a music production system since they really werent worth selling anyway. good thing he only uses windows 7 and mostly windows 7 era software because the g3258 is essentially just a core 2 duo on steroids. it's absolutely crazy now that you can get an *18 core* xeon e5 2699 v3 for just 10 dollars more than I originally bought that pentium for in 2017. speaking of the xeon, please please PLEASE do a video on the e5 2699 v3, it's literally a haswell ddr4 18 core for just 60 dollars on ebay
Ooof, this is rough, even back then a lot of games were already unplayble with this CPU. GTA5, Insurgency sandstorm, Dragon age inquisition to name a few. The rest like Rise of tomb raider, original Witcher 3 while playable stutter is a common occurrence. I even remembered I had to reinstall windows 8.1 cuz windows 10 would disable OC with H81 motherboard. This little thing did hold on till I got a Ryzen 2600, now replaced by a 5700x.
well, supposedly Haswell systems can be fairly compatible with Windows XP, and given how XP era software won't require much, if any, multithreading, this CPU just might be perfect for a boutique "ultimate" retro XP rig.
Lower the resolution for single playe or even multi playerr? 1080p was high res back then imo. Try on some old 4:3 (5:4) monitors...Low res helps a lot LOL
Had this amazing cpu with a matching asrock board for my very first computer build. I clicked one button and it over locked to like 4.8 or something. Loved the chip!
I ran Crysis back in 2013 with a sandy bridge pentium G860, a GTX 650Ti 1GB and I was happy with the performance. After upgrading to an i5 2500K, I run the game again and the performance improved considerably, with the same 650Ti. Later the G860 briefly served in an HTPC, but during the last 8 years, it has done an excellent job as an unboxing tool. My cat also used it as a toy, dropping it off the table and kicking it around. Still works btw;)
Way back in the day, the first computer I built had a Celeron in it. I forget what the model was, but it clocked at 1600. I overclocked it to 2400 GHz. It was banging. I loved that cheap computer. Sold it to my friend and he gamed on it until he smashed it after losing money while online gambling. I was sad.
Actually, the switch the Pentium was due, in no small part, from the fact the Intel couldn't trademark numbers. So they couldn't stop AMD making their AM486 or Cyrix from their Cx486 processors; both of which dropped effortlessly into Intel spec 486 motherboards. So they created the Pentium brand.
I remember in the Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge days the question was frequently asked "Why isn't there an overclockable i3?" The answer, of course, was that it would cannibalize sales of i5's and i7's. Fast forward a couple of years and I've always thought of the G3258 as Intel finally sort of going "Here it is, this is what you asked for!" And I remember the hype level for it at the time being quite high. But they were still scared of making it too good and by then dual cores were teetering on the precipice of complete irrelevance. Nevertheless, I don't know if I could say it was a bad buy. It was probably better than any other CPU you could get for $75 at the time (and I think you could get them for $50 at Micro Center if you bought one with a motherboard), and it would have played most of the popular esports type stuff of the era, I don't think anybody sensible expected it to be a AAA title chip. Of course it's basically unusable now but even the Haswell i7's are falling off the cliff by this point.
Yeah, this sound desync is why we don't record in variable framerate; I used to use the G3258 to make videos. I mean, you totally can record VFR, you just have to reencode with a constant framerate later to avoid desync issues.
I've never seen games hang that long without crashing or having the OS lock up completely and needing to manually power off the computer. So that's something.
The best use case for this CPU (outside of a best-case Windows XP retro system) is as a legacy Minecraft or Space Engineers server. Those two games only care about 1 and a half thread and some of these overclock over 5Ghz (mine sits at 5.1)
It was a great CPU for CSGO and probably other esport titles when it was released. Especially if you were afraid of the used market. The option for a later i5/i7 upgrade were also a nice to have. Couple of my friends were running a g3258 gtx 660/750ti combo. I went with a slightly more expensive entry i3-4170/gtx950 8GB ram and a later upgrade to i7-4790/RX580 16GB ram.
This cpu still running in my daughter pc, with 8gb rams dual channel still playable with light emulator, minecraft and obviously 2013 below games, never let this cpu to obslete because haswell pentium give alot through my gaming years back then.
@@IcebergTechood choice. At the moment, all the attention is on LTT and Gamers Nexus when new hardware realeses. But I enjoy your videos about the old stuff a lot!
fun fact: there's a popular myth in Russia that Pentiums are named after engineers that fled USSR as it collapsed, most notable of which being Vladimir Pentkovsky (you can see the resemblance of the name) but according to intel they simply named it after the greek word meaning "five" because it was their 5th generation the naming of the first pentium predates Pentkovsky's coming to the USA but he did contribute greatly to Pentium 3's development
One thing you didn't mention, is your resolution. I play complete witcher 3 twice with this cpu, gtx 650 and 6gb ram. My res was 1440*900p. It use to give 45~ fps. You must be testing on 4k
Thats so intersting that the G3258 suffers so badly nowadays, when the 4790k was basically around the same time and can still play pretty much all the current games. The core count is completely the limiting factor?
I use a G3258 overclocked (and undervolted) to 4GHz in my Windows XP retro gaming system paired with a 750ti. It’s absolutely fantastic and I experience none of the issues you’ve encountered. Crysis runs beautifully for example.
I have this chip way back 2015 oced at 4.6ghz with hyper 212 evo and paired it with gtx 750 ti.I finished Gta V in just 1 week with this setup. I also remember witcher 3 running on the program tho i had to use a program that forces the computer to think that i had quadcore setup. I think doing the benchmark in 1080p and pairing it with a much lower card like gtx 960 or 1050ti will be more cool for this video.
i miss my GOATED Pentium G4560. When that chip came out in 2017 it was huge, being a 2C/4T Pentium with hyperthreading and it was between £55 - £60 in the UK. any chance of a revisit on this chip to see how it stacks up in 2023.
Shockingly enough, I am watching this video and commenting from a G3258 machine I built almost a decade ago. I was going for a super budget build: g3258 clocked at 4.2 GHz (stock cooler), AMD R7 360 GPU, and 8 GB of DDR3 ram. At the time, it did pretty well, but I definitely do not game on it anymore. Mostly light school work and some storage is what I use it for. TH-cam is a real struggle for this poor chip even lol.
I have a feeling you've done something wrong because I have had this cpu for quite some time (overclocked to 4.3) and I played all the older games you tested without any stutter issues. I had it paired with a GTX 750 TI
Bro, I'm still using this chip and my pc is 8 years old. I haven't upgraded since I only play League of legends (honestly, cant even run it w/ high settings which I used to be able to do before)
Honestly the 3258 in some places costs more used with a board and 8gb ram, then the X99 board and cpu combo. A 4170/8gb ram and b85 costed 50€ cheaper then a 6800k+X99 gaming 7 localy(150 i3 200€ for x99)
With the exception of the intro, they're all songs by Backing Track @ backingtrack.gg I can't remember all the track names, I believe Neon Nights and The Doc Will See You Now are some of them, but I also use Starstream Returns and a few other tracks that slip my mind right now. It's good stuff, one of the people behind it is YTer EposVox.
@@IcebergTech Thank you very much for your answer. :D I did try to search by clicking the link in the description of the video, but there are tons of them :)
It's interesting how hyper threading changes everything in games, the i3-2100 has got much more consistent 1% lows than the Pentium, but it doesn't compensate the clock speed deficit in other CPU intensive workloads and the Pentium is faster there.
"Red Dead Redemption 2 failed to redeem itself" is the funniest thing I have heard all year
It's barely March, but I'll take the compliment anyway 😁
True
I remember back in the day when the G3258 and the GTX 750 Ti seemed like the budget build combo of choice for a lot of people.
Can't imagine it holding up all that well today.
750ti held up a lot better than the pentium overall
That's the trade of when you go budget. It just won't last as long
The point of pentium g3258 is that you can upgrade to a proper i5/i7 later.
Couldn't agree more. I'd a Pentium G860 (2nd Gen. Sandy Bridge) along with an R7-260X (comparable to 750Ti, more or less). I bought that CPU thinking it'd serve me well for years to come... until I ran Mass Effect 3 (original) on it.
There were tons of stutters and jitters and the system would struggle to maintain even 50FPS at times, probably due to Nvidia PhysX eating up CPU resources.
Knew straight away what a massive mistake I'd made. Even the ancient Q6600 running bone stock would've fared better than that G860. Skipped the i5, jumped straight to i7-2600 and never looked back.
5 months ago I was using the g4560 + 1050ti 😂
This channel is a hidden gem, hope you'll get big some day!
Persistance and not giving up, sharing amazing content like he does gives him traction, he need to keep going, he's growing slowly but surely
and then he'll turn into a money grabbing vpn shill!
yup
He even improved the dynamic range :)
G4560 was a much bigger move for the Pentium brand, hyper-threading made a much bigger difference than unlocked multiplier imo.
I had a g3258 cpu as a place holder in 2014 as I saved up for an i5 4690k. It performed well enough for the games I played at the time like kerbal space program and elite dangerous
Wow. I haven't played either game myself, but I can imagine they'd both be pretty CPU-intensive.
Kerbal space program is but it's doggedly single threaded so an overclocked g3258 ran it really well
honestly your videos are so well made that i didn't even notice you weren't getting that many views, i love your videos !!
you'll get there some day, you certainly have the skill for it !!!
Thanks 😊
I used to have a G3258 and in games from before 2016 I had no issues, BF4, BF3, GTA V, Far Cry 3, Far Cry 4, Witcher 3 (original version) , etc
I thought his GTA V results were strange, I wonder if the game has changed since 2014. I played that on a system with the same CPU @ 4.5Ghz and an r7 265. It did not do what he saw.
@@GOPACKERSJT it didn't stutter as bad as he showed for me, I have exact same CPU. I played metro last light on that with no issues
@@GOPACKERSJT it could also be the OS, if he's using W10 or W11 then that can be a problem
I bet you're right, I can't remember if I was on Windows 7 or 8.1 back then.
@@GOPACKERSJT I was definitely on W7 and I remember playing Metro Last Light with a GTX 950 and getting over 60 fps no stutters it used to stutter a bit in GTA 5 but not as much as in this video
You missed the most important aspect:
Windows XP
I still use the G3258 to this day... not in my main build, but in my WinXP retro rig. It is the best chip possible for XP, by a very wide margin.
Haswell (Broadwell) is the last platform that supports XP. There are no XP exclusives that can utilize more than 2 threads... and despite the 3.2 Ghz base clock, this beast easily overclocks up to a massive 4.5, sometimes even 4.6 or 4.7.
The next closest performer to this in XP would be an i5 with two of the cores disabled in BIOS to save on TDP and voltage.
It was technically a "Devil's Canyon" release alongside the refreshed i5-4690K and i7-4790K chips. With an improved TIM and voltage regulator under the IHS. Though you can still delid and liquid metal to eek out a couple more Mhz if you want.
Delidding didn't help for me, max OC was stll 4.7GHz, but did it anyway. These run so cool even with a copper-core stock cooler that almost anything can cool these.
@@RuruFIN Yeah I run mine at 5.1Ghz with a tower cooler without any fans on it, and the only case fans are one 200mm intake and one slim 200mm exhaust (BitFenix Survivor) it would be inaudible if I got a passive PSU.
that's kinda Like Windows 7 on -1st gen Ryzen- AMD Bristol Ridge or Intel Skylake-X
Quickly becoming one of my favorite tech channels. Love the format, music and cheeky commentary. You will be huge, brother.
I definitely don’t have a budget rig (12700k/3060 Ti/DDR5), but your videos are always a delight to watch. I love that you how show off the utility (or lack thereof) of less shiny parts that can be grabbed for a bargain. Keep up the good work!
My inspirational speaker has uploaded again!
And he learned the secret of making thumbnails. (I still need to learn that)
Great video. Keep in mind that when it was released in 2014, a pc with the G3258 and a gtx 750ti could be assembled for around $250 which was an incredible value for it's time and 720p gaming was very common then. You could get a 4.2ghz with no cpu throttling on the stock cooler. A whole lot of games like Far Cry 3 were played on those budget machines. I am surprised that Crysis doesn't play better, maybe an update has made it worse for dual core pc's, (Maybe your overclock is too high, I have a suspicion that if you lowered the o.c to 4.5ghz AND lowered the voltage that your audio problems might disappear.)
Now days, the G3258 is good for a cheap Windows 7 or XP retro gaming pc. As shown, Vsync is often a friend.
No it wasn't, back in the day you could build an Athlon X4 750K + R7 260X for way cheaper and get more than double the performance of that combo, but nobody really knew it back then, reviewers were using outdated games optimized for Nvidia in their benchmarks, and many broke college students only cared about CSGO and LoL which are DX9 games. On the other hand, the G3258 and 750 Ti still have value for collectors, so sometimes buying iconic terrible hardware is a good idea.
James Smith, Crysis runs very well with a Barton (2.O GHz single core). The game doesn't need a more powerful processor, the RTX 3070 does. All tests are wrong because of this.
It blew my mind when they released this without AVX AT ALL. It was a kick in the teeth fr.
This Crisis situation makes me think: maybe present GPU driver 's overhead is responsible for a such poor performance?
Keep up the amazing content
I can still remember getting my first AMD Dual Core and how proud I was. Today, you can't really use a CPU with less than 8 Threads - damn, I'm grown old.
I really like your Videos. Really well-made, great voice-over, and I love that humor of yours.
When are we getting Patreon? (Idiot me just saw it at the end of the Video :D)
I watched nearly all of your videos and I´ve come to the conclusion that you are one of my favourite content creators in the last months. Respect for the always stunning quality
I suggest testing the Pentium Gold G4560. I used it as a basis on an office build I made a few years ago and unlike its predecessors it did have HT. For 50-60€ it was a great option at the time as I think it was almost as fast as an i3.
I'll definitely keep it in mind, but these days an i3-6100 costs about the same 😕
@@IcebergTech I'm still using a 2015 G3258 on my office computer with a 660 TI and it runs great with pre 2020 titles with the exception of far cry 4 that demands 4 cores. it will play far cry 5 and 6 is questionable but still playable on a h81m motherboard.
The excellent lightsaber lighting never get old ! Great vid 👍
Dug out my g3258 and oc to 4.0ghz on stock cooler. Stable so will run benchmarks soon. Added 16gb ddr3 1600mhz ram and ssd. Thanks for the inspiration!
I had this and r9 270x as one of my first pc builds... Was awesome had so much fun on it, I oc'd it to 4.3 or 4.4 ghz
10:42 I am 100% certain this CPU could have handled Crysis...on Windows 7. Around that time that was the most popular OS and the much lower overhead it provided could have made the experience at least playable. That alone was the reason most people held on to it until 2020, some even holding on until this very year (I myself only moved on because the GPU in my 7 system died a few months ago). Pity right now 7 has become a liability (online at least), as even extended support has ended, but it was fun while it lasted. Also, given the results on display, I'm sure a lot of FX 6300 users feel smug right about now...last I checked, there weren't any games to not start on that chip...
P.S. Nice jab at sponsors in the intro XD
P.P.S. I know Windows 8 was also around at that time, but let's be honest, it flopped (8.1 was too little too late)
Yeah, that had occurred to me. Crysis is usually a nightmare for me on any system these days, it straight up refuses to start on my R7 5700X and I can't figure out why.
PS. The jab was at TH-cam advice channels! Next week's intro jab is at TH-camrs who use the word "guys" a lot. Maybe I shouldn't be burning bridges like this...
@@IcebergTech Take a look at c1-launcher, it incorporated all needed fixes to run original Crysis on modern systems.
RIP Windows 7, the absolute peak of Windows operating systems that will never be topped by these "touch screen inspired" designs of today.
They released a patch on Steam that screw up the game it doesn't even start anymore.
I can confirm that. Actually G3258 paired with a GTX 670 OC was my first setup which ran Crysis at 1080p very high at smooth 60fps.
I wonder where the sound goes, during its time away. Is there a magical sound purgatory somewhere in the pc where it hangs out with all the other forgotten background processes while it waits for its turn?
Have just come across your channel in the last few days... Rapidly going through your library!
I have binned a bunch of these CPUs , most cap at 4.4-4.6ghz really hard to find ones that do 4.8-5ghz. my best sample does 4.9ghz at 1.375v. reviewers mostly got cherry picked samples to sell the product in a misleading way showing them easily doing 4.7ghz+
GTA V ran fine back in the day but due to a fairly recent update after its launch to address multi core threading issues it is now unplayable on the G3258. Before the update it could do 60fps locked fairly well with minimal stutter.
Most games also hidden lockouts and will just not run on a dual core at all Far Cry 4 being one of them I think
This was actually my first CPU in my very first proper PC (had only trash laptops until then) cant believe its almost 10 years already.
bro same! haha.. im still using it right now while writing this comment haha
I have a soft spot for the G3258 as it was my "return" to DIY gaming PCs after going the laptop route for years through and after college. I'm typing this comment on a bit of a descendant of that system, which is a 4770k I keep in my office and is still surprisingly competent today.
I still have the old 3258 at 4.6 GHzin a B85 board and the R9 270x I originally paired it with, which serves as a media center PC and plays Star Trek Online in the guest room.
Even when new it wasn't much of a beast at the time, but it ran slightly older games at the time really, really well. I got it in the MicroCenter bundle for $100 with a motherboard and RAM, and pieced together the rest of a used system I could afford on my recent-grad budget. I had a free 8800GT at first, and later upgraded to the 270x which was on sale for Black Friday in 2014. I remember being so impressed at how well it ran everything from the late 2000s-2012ish that were a struggle on my Gateway FX laptop from college.
I definitely played some GTA V on it, and it did run Crysis back then, but it was on Windows 7. GTA V was not smooth, but it was playable, haha. I upgraded to a 4670k and crossfire 280Xs around that time, and kept the 3258 and 270x as a secondary system as it still exists today.
Wow did not expect it not to run 2007 version of Crysis. I played that on a Q6600 recently and it runs absolutely fine.
Yea Nvidia doesn't expect you to only have 2 threads these days. If you paired this CPU with a GTX 750 Ti it would run significantly better.
I had the Pentium g4560 in 2017. That bad boy actually had hyper threading and was basically an i3 6100 but for $60
you deserve so many more subs man, always enjoy watching these and you have a interesting voice unlike a lot of these monotonous channels, thanks alot :)
When I saw this release, I referred to it as a poor purchase then due to frame times and its lack of hyperthreading. Informed others to simply save their money and at least get last gen deals on higher core count options. There was much pushback by those who decided it was worth defending such a... product. However as always, time has shown which ones aged better than others. Thank you for showcasing the G3258.
Actually a very funny video made in your professional editing style. Great job!
In 2015 I had an Athlon II x2 250 at 3.6 GHz with a Gt 240, 8 gigs of RAM. GTA 5 and Crysis ran fairly ok around 30 fps avg with some stutters, but nothing as bad as this. It´s either new updates that broke those games with dual core cpus, or the newest Windows (I had windows 7 back then).
The Pentium G3258 and a GTX 1050ti. Solid little PC for a time when PC gaming wasn't stupid expensive
This channel is very interesting! I've been tempering with core 2 duos recently and they couldn't stream 1080p videos reliably even on a relatively barebone OS, RAM maxed out and an SSD. I'd be curious to see some multimedia tests, cause sometimes you just need a side PC for a home theatre for example.
definately here because of the thumby....ive never heard of your channel in my life but gad damn i love me a G3258
Fun video although you can tell it must have been frustrating to make it. The story of the Core series of CPUs is kind of interesting. The story goes according to publications at the time that it was a further development of the much older Pentium 3 mobile platform that someone in their facilities in Israel was messing about with. Turned out to be what saved the company from a developmental dead end.
When I worked in a PC shop around 2005 we used to jokingly refer to P4 systems as space heaters.
One could have argued at the time marketing and brand recognition was the only thing that saved Intel from being buried by AMD and Apple.
I still miss my G3220 :(
you dont need to save up long since its 1 pound processor :D
Ive used that one in my main rig almost 10 years ago, and then gave it to my brother when I upgraded. He used it until february 2021 when he upgraded to 5600G. Now G3220 is at the heart of our home server, still going strong lol
The special thing about this CPU is that it supports ECC ram. So you could repurpose it as a file server.
I had that one alongside a GTX 750 nearly a decade ago. I was able to play GTA 5 but I had to cap it at 30 FPS due to the streaming issue as noted in the video.
Idk if anyone said this but your thumbnails are S tier
I still own one of these - first computer I ever built, I got a z97 extreme 6 and a g3258 to tide me over until the launch of Broadwell. It was terrible in 2015 too. Even basic computer usage in early windows 10 was excruciating on 2 threads.
I was just consolidating a bunch of loose PC parts and slapped together the old build a few days ago, but it's got a 5775c in it, not the Pentium K. I know some amateur LN2 overclockers, I've always been tempted to bring the system over and see how much I can get the pentium to rip
Back in the day, I was forever scarred by dual cores with Call of Duty: Black Ops. I enjoyed MW1 and MW2 well on my Pentium E2180 and 8600GT, but Black Ops just came outta nowhere the following year after MW2 and humbled my build. I went on to get a Core i3, wanted the i5 but couldn't get up to the price level at the time, but I was adamant that 4 threads were necessary. Then came this lovely Pentium G3258 that proved me absolutely right, shutting down all arguments. If I disable HT for example, all those issues you see with GTA5 manifests itself on my i3 3240, with HT on, completely gone, not even a hint of it. No matter how much you overclock a CPU, you just can't get over the 99% pegged utilization that's causing the issue.
You're putting out banger after banger right now
Would love some more content on (old) gaming laptops
Any chance of comparisons against 1st gen ryzen chips?
Probably in a couple of months. Can't afford any more CPUs right now!
This is absolute gold!!! I bought this exact cpu back in the day, tried to overclock the snot out of it to squeeze out more performance, and eventually just bought a used i5 off ebay. I couldn't believe how much faster the i5 was. The pentium was a total waste of time and money.
I'm pretty sure something is wrong with those Crysis numbers. The game ran very well on the Core 2 Duo CPUs back in the day which are also 2c/2t. I ordered one of these CPUs to do some testing with.
I commented this on the community post but I feel obligated to do it again here. this was the cpu in my first gaming pc, which I built for 350 dollars in 2017 when I was a broke middle school kid. paired it with an msi h81m p33 (which weirdly had overclocking), 8gb of ddr3 and a gtx 1050 2gb. back then I mostly played source engine games, minecraft, gta 4, etc. gta 4 mostly because I couldn't play gta 5 because even back then it was a stuttery unplayable mess on this cpu. same story with fortnite, which is why I never got into fortnite (this cpu did me a service, lets be real). but for those older games, it ran great. needless to say though, it was one of the first things I upgraded in that pc (went to an i7 4770k). interesting though that it outlived the 4770k, as I sold the 4770k to build a ryzen system 2 years ago and just gave the g3258, my shitty h81 mobo and the 16gb ddr3 i had at that point to my dad to use as a music production system since they really werent worth selling anyway. good thing he only uses windows 7 and mostly windows 7 era software because the g3258 is essentially just a core 2 duo on steroids. it's absolutely crazy now that you can get an *18 core* xeon e5 2699 v3 for just 10 dollars more than I originally bought that pentium for in 2017.
speaking of the xeon, please please PLEASE do a video on the e5 2699 v3, it's literally a haswell ddr4 18 core for just 60 dollars on ebay
I’m not saying a definite “yes” to the 2699 v3 yet (I don’t like getting people’s hopes up) but it’s on my shortlist!
Watching this on G3258 :)
>7:14
>the game had to turn NYC into Bubsy 3D
Great video as always.
i7-5775C is the better choice for this sockel :3 (Afterburner spoiler)
Ooof, this is rough, even back then a lot of games were already unplayble with this CPU. GTA5, Insurgency sandstorm, Dragon age inquisition to name a few. The rest like Rise of tomb raider, original Witcher 3 while playable stutter is a common occurrence. I even remembered I had to reinstall windows 8.1 cuz windows 10 would disable OC with H81 motherboard. This little thing did hold on till I got a Ryzen 2600, now replaced by a 5700x.
Also I think that drivers for a modern card like 3070 has probably way too much overhead for a dual-core chip. Something older may work better :)
I think there's some weird esoteric software bug going on here. Mainly due to the ridiculous stutters.
well, supposedly Haswell systems can be fairly compatible with Windows XP, and given how XP era software won't require much, if any, multithreading, this CPU just might be perfect for a boutique "ultimate" retro XP rig.
I had one of these in a sff HP, it was an ok performer for some games.
Lower the resolution for single playe or even multi playerr? 1080p was high res back then imo.
Try on some old 4:3 (5:4) monitors...Low res helps a lot LOL
i know this won't help you much. but, i'll watch whatever video related to pc hardware from you. big fan of your channel!
Thanks 🥰
Had this amazing cpu with a matching asrock board for my very first computer build. I clicked one button and it over locked to like 4.8 or something. Loved the chip!
I ran Crysis back in 2013 with a sandy bridge pentium G860, a GTX 650Ti 1GB and I was happy with the performance. After upgrading to an i5 2500K, I run the game again and the performance improved considerably, with the same 650Ti. Later the G860 briefly served in an HTPC, but during the last 8 years, it has done an excellent job as an unboxing tool. My cat also used it as a toy, dropping it off the table and kicking it around. Still works btw;)
Way back in the day, the first computer I built had a Celeron in it. I forget what the model was, but it clocked at 1600. I overclocked it to 2400 GHz. It was banging. I loved that cheap computer. Sold it to my friend and he gamed on it until he smashed it after losing money while online gambling. I was sad.
I remember this CPU being kinda praised for its performance. But I decided to add a little bit more for an i3 instead.
Actually, the switch the Pentium was due, in no small part, from the fact the Intel couldn't trademark numbers. So they couldn't stop AMD making their AM486 or Cyrix from their Cx486 processors; both of which dropped effortlessly into Intel spec 486 motherboards. So they created the Pentium brand.
Yes, I put that in a text blurb on screen. I was just "editorialising", or making a more interesting story out of a boring one 😉
I remember in the Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge days the question was frequently asked "Why isn't there an overclockable i3?" The answer, of course, was that it would cannibalize sales of i5's and i7's.
Fast forward a couple of years and I've always thought of the G3258 as Intel finally sort of going "Here it is, this is what you asked for!" And I remember the hype level for it at the time being quite high.
But they were still scared of making it too good and by then dual cores were teetering on the precipice of complete irrelevance.
Nevertheless, I don't know if I could say it was a bad buy. It was probably better than any other CPU you could get for $75 at the time (and I think you could get them for $50 at Micro Center if you bought one with a motherboard), and it would have played most of the popular esports type stuff of the era, I don't think anybody sensible expected it to be a AAA title chip. Of course it's basically unusable now but even the Haswell i7's are falling off the cliff by this point.
Yeah, this sound desync is why we don't record in variable framerate; I used to use the G3258 to make videos. I mean, you totally can record VFR, you just have to reencode with a constant framerate later to avoid desync issues.
I tune in just for the music with gaming narration 😄
I've never seen games hang that long without crashing or having the OS lock up completely and needing to manually power off the computer. So that's something.
being honest, yes, the question mark (?) truly got me to click the video lol
The witch with the 10% off was funny lol
The best use case for this CPU (outside of a best-case Windows XP retro system) is as a legacy Minecraft or Space Engineers server. Those two games only care about 1 and a half thread and some of these overclock over 5Ghz (mine sits at 5.1)
It was a great CPU for CSGO and probably other esport titles when it was released. Especially if you were afraid of the used market. The option for a later i5/i7 upgrade were also a nice to have. Couple of my friends were running a g3258 gtx 660/750ti combo. I went with a slightly more expensive entry i3-4170/gtx950 8GB ram and a later upgrade to i7-4790/RX580 16GB ram.
This cpu still running in my daughter pc, with 8gb rams dual channel still playable with light emulator, minecraft and obviously 2013 below games, never let this cpu to obslete because haswell pentium give alot through my gaming years back then.
your videos are perfect (well thought out, edited, scripted etc.) idk maybe people wanna see more up to date hardware?
Thanks! I think the new hardware niche is harder to crack, so I’m sticking with old stuff until the channel grows a bit.
@@IcebergTechood choice. At the moment, all the attention is on LTT and Gamers Nexus when new hardware realeses. But I enjoy your videos about the old stuff a lot!
@@IcebergTech let gn and ltt do the new stuff, reviews for old tech is rare, your channel is a gem for that
fun fact: there's a popular myth in Russia that Pentiums are named after engineers that fled USSR as it collapsed, most notable of which being Vladimir Pentkovsky (you can see the resemblance of the name) but according to intel they simply named it after the greek word meaning "five"
because it was their 5th generation
the naming of the first pentium predates Pentkovsky's coming to the USA but he did contribute greatly to Pentium 3's development
I had one back in the day, clocked at 4.7GHz and had to upgrade since some games started to need four threads.
Haswell's 1150 series chips - my first favourite PC build!!
One thing you didn't mention, is your resolution. I play complete witcher 3 twice with this cpu, gtx 650 and 6gb ram. My res was 1440*900p. It use to give 45~ fps. You must be testing on 4k
11:44 insane noscope
I remember the G4560.
That was the budget king back then. Loved that chip
Thats so intersting that the G3258 suffers so badly nowadays, when the 4790k was basically around the same time and can still play pretty much all the current games. The core count is completely the limiting factor?
I use a G3258 overclocked (and undervolted) to 4GHz in my Windows XP retro gaming system paired with a 750ti.
It’s absolutely fantastic and I experience none of the issues you’ve encountered. Crysis runs beautifully for example.
I have this chip way back 2015 oced at 4.6ghz with hyper 212 evo and paired it with gtx 750 ti.I finished Gta V in just 1 week with this setup. I also remember witcher 3 running on the program tho i had to use a program that forces the computer to think that i had quadcore setup. I think doing the benchmark in 1080p and pairing it with a much lower card like gtx 960 or 1050ti will be more cool for this video.
wonder if possible to play games using a radeon.
I have been made to believe that they perform better when cpu bound.
That's more true with directx 12 games. Many of the titles here were directx 11
It's even a lot worse than I expected. I'm genuinely impressed with how bad this is. :D
i miss my GOATED Pentium G4560. When that chip came out in 2017 it was huge, being a 2C/4T Pentium with hyperthreading and it was between £55 - £60 in the UK. any chance of a revisit on this chip to see how it stacks up in 2023.
locking the framerate might have fixed or at least mitigated the freezes and audio & video not synchronizing
Shockingly enough, I am watching this video and commenting from a G3258 machine I built almost a decade ago. I was going for a super budget build: g3258 clocked at 4.2 GHz (stock cooler), AMD R7 360 GPU, and 8 GB of DDR3 ram. At the time, it did pretty well, but I definitely do not game on it anymore. Mostly light school work and some storage is what I use it for. TH-cam is a real struggle for this poor chip even lol.
I have a feeling you've done something wrong because I have had this cpu for quite some time (overclocked to 4.3) and I played all the older games you tested without any stutter issues. I had it paired with a GTX 750 TI
My G3258 now sits on my desk as a decorative oddity.
I guess the test system used Windows 10, because I remember this running games WAY better back in the day on Win7
I miss my G3258
Bro, I'm still using this chip and my pc is 8 years old. I haven't upgraded since I only play League of legends (honestly, cant even run it w/ high settings which I used to be able to do before)
you should take a look at the pentium g4560 it was my first alright CPU i got back in 2017 i remember the performance was alright
Honestly the 3258 in some places costs more used with a board and 8gb ram, then the X99 board and cpu combo.
A 4170/8gb ram and b85 costed 50€ cheaper then a 6800k+X99 gaming 7 localy(150 i3 200€ for x99)
I still use a Pentium in 2023. I use the LGA 1700 Pentium. The Pentium G7400. Which is the same socket as the i9 13900K.
What song do you use in background?
With the exception of the intro, they're all songs by Backing Track @ backingtrack.gg
I can't remember all the track names, I believe Neon Nights and The Doc Will See You Now are some of them, but I also use Starstream Returns and a few other tracks that slip my mind right now. It's good stuff, one of the people behind it is YTer EposVox.
@@IcebergTech Thank you very much for your answer. :D I did try to search by clicking the link in the description of the video, but there are tons of them :)
I used the i5 4440 for about a decade.
Will that get a review ? I've seen that a lot in random places and people using it
Hi @IcebergTech and everyone else!
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It's even hard to sell them as office solutions. These days even office programs make use of more than two cores
It's interesting how hyper threading changes everything in games, the i3-2100 has got much more consistent 1% lows than the Pentium, but it doesn't compensate the clock speed deficit in other CPU intensive workloads and the Pentium is faster there.
Late respond here, did you use a capture card that's usb to capture game footage and are there hidden cores in this cpu?
Yes, I use an EZCap 321 USB capture device. As for "hidden cores", erm... no? Not that I'm aware of?