ERRATA: The Blender chart has the i3-7350K at some ridiculous low number. This is because Google Sheets can't handle fractions of seconds, so it converted "26:47.11" into "02:47:11" as if it was the time of day. The i3 actually took 26 minutes 47.11 seconds, not 2 mins 47.11. For the future, I'll probably just round the fractions off...
Hi, I love watching your videos. I think that the error is that Google Sheets uses hours (of the day) indstead of minutes, if you pay attention to the chart you can see in the "x" axsis are written some values, (i.e.: 00:00:00, 06:00:00 12:00:00 and 18:00:00) after that the cycle repeats. Could be it? Hope I've been useful for the next video. P.S.: Sorry for my English, I do my best ;)
I agree with all of u he's quickly become my favourite tech youtuber for showcasing random pc parts for the last few months definitely his hardwork is showing
@@nusantara8428Damn dude you're extremely bottlenecked. I had a 5600x and even that's better than a 9900k. With a 5800X3D the bottleneck disappeared. You might want to upgrade or go to 4k
It holds bad considering its 2018-19 cpu and zen3 2020 and zen3 cpus still on sale now almost 4 years later and 5800x3d are pretty competitive with 14900k too on cheap am4 mobos
now they exists and now used 9900k and 10900k are still terribly overpriced and they are shit for that price when you see what you can get for similar or same money@@0Synergy
i recently bought a 10900K and an asrock imb-1711 mb for use in my proxmox home server. 20 identical logical processors at 3-5ghz kick ass. none of that E and P core nonsense.
@@manitoba-op4jx these E and P core kick asses and it is a future, yes I agree if you have older windows and not windows 11, OS will probably have issues utilizing them properly
Bro your CPU is about 2 iterations of the "man, I've been left behind" thing ahead of mine. I've got a i5-4690K. It hasn't made any sense for me to upgrade my CPU since I bought this PC used in 2016. How many times will you upgrade before I finally do?
@@TheBcoolGuy this purely depends on what you play and do. The i5 4690k wouldnt even help me at my UW res on the games I play at all, nvm the overall experience being slower. Heck give it till the 8800x3D and I will upgrade from my 5800x3D to it as by then I am going to assume the GPU I will get and the FPS I want will be out of reach for the 5800x3D
It's funny to think that these old intel chips are still so inflated, even though modern, faster, cooler and more power efficient options are much cheaper Are these sellers seeing something that we aren't? Like the video said, you can get a better cpu and motherboard for cheaper, and carry your ram over since I'm assuming people who are eyeing the 9900k or similar are on older ddr4 motherboards.
I think the reason for the high price on these old i9s is the fact that it's the best CPU you can get if you have an LGA 1151 system and don't want to/can't get rid of it yet.
It’s a curve, it was pretty cheap when outdated till the stock started to run out then the prices went back up since there is limited supply. Basic economics.
The i9 9900K was the best Gaming CPU money could buy at the time, but nowadays you can get a Ryzen 5 5600 for the same performance at half the price, and even cheaper a used i7 8700k, for roughly the same performance. Not to mention that the 5s of Intel 12th gen and Zen 4 just smoke the old flagship. Only reason to buy is just for bragging right at this point, since the most logical reason is to jump on 12400f+mobo for the same price of the i9 9900K. And it's a rather good deal! A whole platform upgrade of cpu+mobo+ram for a new 12th gen kit, probably enough for a 12600kf and ddr5, or just the i9 9900k to cover for the 12400f and mobo cost while selling the mobo separately for a bit more than in a combo.
honestly, recommended my friend to get this since he's rocking a 9th gen mobo and doesnt play very demanding games, shame these go for such high prices years later We've been looking for a used one for so long
@@white_mageConsidering that their friend could most likely get a cheaper cpu with a motherboard upgrade that performs better than the 9900k, I would say it's valid.
my honors in my defense i never mentioned this motherboard is a hand me down, this boy is BROKE asf, so getting anything else that wont last him a long time is NOT an option here, please let my undescriptive slide as he wont bee getting any new motherboard for likely another 2-3 years 🗿 im basically saying we're getting him the best cpu possible atm while also looking for a cheap i9 (found a few within the last few hours on ebay and facebook market place) found an i9 for 109 USD and I will be picking it up for him this wednesday
Cool video. Interesting to see how some "old" tech holds up. Meanwhile I am here still rocking my old T3600 with a Xeon E5-2665. 11 years and counting.
Good tidbit at the end. These things are extremely expensive still. My brother wanted to get one to not abandon his Z370 board to upgrade from a 8600K, but for $50 more than our local cheapest 9900K, I got him a 13600K and a Z690.
I bought the rival to this CPU in early 2020, the Ryzen 9 3900X. 50% more multicore performance and similar single core performance at the same price point seemed like great value.
Zen 2 was the cross over point where AMDs concept started to become refined. We saw the same thing with the Core i range, promising early performance gains from gen 1 and 2 then refinement in gens 3 and 4.
Same, I went AMD also, was the right call in the end for sure, upgraded to a 5800X3D and now I'm considering waiting for AM6 or post Zen, whatever they call it. Same with my 6800XT vs 3080 in the end the 6800XT aged much better.
@@darthwiizius No, Zen 2, the IF-MC is gimped. It automatically cut off when it detected that you are using 3.733 GHz RAM kit. Your IF speed is running 1/4 speed of the RAM kit: 2.133 GHz RAM - 1.066 GHz IF 2.400 GHz RAM - 1.2 GHz IF 2.666 GHz RAM - 1.333 GHz IF 3.2 GHz RAM - 1.6 GHz IF 3.6 GHz RAM - 1.8 GHz IF 3.733 GHz RAM - 0.933 GHz IF 4.0 GHz RAM - 1.0 GHz IF A friend of mine had a 2700X, and it's was a golden silicon. He bought the expensive 4GHz RAM kit with CL17, not the higher CL20+. He saw 20% boost of performance on average across the board! This shows that the IF is dependent on the RAM speed (2GHz, since DDR is double data rate) and very low latency RAM. 2.133 GHz RAM - 1.066 GHz IF 2.400 GHz RAM - 1.2 GHz IF 2.666 GHz RAM - 1.333 GHz IF 3.2 GHz RAM - 1.6 GHz IF 3.6 GHz RAM - 1.8 GHz IF 3.733 GHz RAM - 1.866 GHz IF 4.0 GHz RAM - 2.0 GHz IF
@@GamingLovesJohn I did the budget version last year, I upgraded from the R7 1700 to the R5 5500. Was using the R7 from Dec 2019 to about a year and a bit ago. Zen3 cores are a big upgrade from Zen cores. Even on my (now) entry level system on my cheapo 2 fewer Zen3 cores there are much fewer stutters than with Zen. It's the only change I've made other than sticking a 1TB Samsung Evoplus 2.5 SSD to replace a 512GB 2.5 HDD to expand memory,
Weirdly, over the years some 'flagship' CPUs will still command a higher price than what is reasonable. The old Pentium 4 Extreme Editions were examples of that phenomenon for a while. It's still fun to revisit these old premium parts though.
People often forget that their hardware is aging. It’s not rare to see people sell a rig with a 980ti and i7 6700k for 600€ or something. Its hilarious :)
you've come a long way since i started watching you doing your benchmarks with the 5600G keep up with the great content, you have a very relaxing voice!
Had a 9700k paired with a 2080super that was phenomenal in 1440p, smashed everything out there, my friend bought it and had it until a few months back when he changed it, that 9700k was insanely solid for a healthy what? 5 years of close to daily gaming with discord calls and streams? absolute beast of a cpu. myself i got a 10900k still living strong here, had it since release and its just as fast as it was day 1, smashes everything in 3440x1440p paired with a 4070ti and 4000mhz ddr4 cl19 32gb ram. My girl is getting it when the 9800x3d comes, then its finally time to say goodbye, the 10900k has hands down been the best cpu i've ever had period.
I remember using a 9900k back when I used to be editing supervisor for my friend's youtube channel. It was great for its time. Never gamed on it. Sadly lost most of the system to a massive power surge which took the mobo, psu and cpu out. At least the ram and gpu were fine
My last Intel system was an Evga x58 e758 /3 Way -Sli and i7 930 bought March 2010, I lucked up and got the last boards Evga had made and didn't need the mod to drop a Xeon X5660 into the socket and boots right up, it was so old it had working OCZ Gold DDR 3 1600Mhz Tirple channel , I later added some Corsair memory which run fine with the OCZ at 1600Mhz Triple Channel @ 18Gb, last time it ran was Crossfire RX 580 and RX 570 = no ribbon was needed anymore. Moved to AM4 in 2017 and never looked back!
Memory helps a lot. On both my 10900 (non k but power ulocked so 5.2 single core / 4.6 all core) and my 11900k saw big gains going from 32gb single rank cl18 3600 to 32gb dual rank cl14 3733 b die. 9900k is still overkill for the majority of games especially if you can pair it with good memory.
@@lilporno6583Other way around, it was a pair of cl16 4000mhz that I tightened the timings on with a downclock. The IMC on the non K 10900 isn't great and the 11900k to keep it in Gear 1 (which you want for gaming) can't really get above 3733/3866 unless you got an amazing chip.
Currently running a 9900k and 2060 @1440p and was thinking of upgrading to a 4070 Ti Super. You think it would be worth the money? Wanting to play some newer games at 1440p at not abysmal frames.
If the perfomance graphs are right then you would have a pretty significant bottle neck at 1440p but 4k you would be getting pretty much no bottleneck So I would say you can get away with it. If you undervolt the gpu you would probably be fine at 1440p. Undervolting is easy and highly recommended if youve never done it before.@@xaxscratchxax926
I had the 9900ks. Somehow sold it 2 weeks ago for £260. With that I bought an x570 motherboard and a 5700x3d with £50 spare! The only upgrade I've ever done that gave me money back. I too had issues with RAM faster than 3200, but the new AMD system sees the same kit running 3800.
Also helps you are using an AMD gpu, they help out "slower" cpu's a lot more. Nvidia has way more driver overhead. One of the reasons my 4790k lasted me from 2014 to 2020 with AMD gpu's.
@@TheBcoolGuy Oh you are, in fact that 1080 is being bottlenecked HARD in remotely modern titles. Even BF1 in 2016 a 4690K was a stutterfest. 4c4t at that IPC is dead. I'd grab a cheap high clocked 4c8t Xeon off Ebay if I were you. Even my 4790k with a Vega 56 (roughly equivalent to a GTX1080 these days) is cpu bound in many titles and that's paired with 32gb c10 ddr3 2400mhz. Even my current 11900k with dual rank 32gb c14-14-14 ddr4 3733 bottlenecks my 6900XT at times now.
I still use a 9900K, paired with an RTX 4070 for 1440p gaming. Frame generation really helps on those games that support it, Flight Sim especially. Timespy, and at 5.1ghz it scored 11980 in a recent test btw. Next year I'll be looking at am5 and a 7800x3d but happy enough for now and I'll still be able to get a fair amount selling it. Cheers for the video!
I'm still on a 9900k also, with an RTX 4090. At 4k resolution, the GPU is the bottleneck in most games. That being said, I'll probably upgrade to a 15900k next year.
Have a 9600k and it barks woth more power love this cpu just build it lately with a z390 motherboard plan on upgrading nextbyear when i buy a new monitor and gpu
Absolutely wild to see a $150 drop-in upgrade outperforming the "best of the best" from when I put together my mid-range rig at the end of 2018. Back in the market after I finally decided my Ryzen 5 2600X and GTX 1660 weren't cutting it anymore. I've upgraded to an RX6700XT and will be dropping in a Ryzen 5 5600X as soon as I can.
@@josh4434 Why? The performance difference between the 5600x and 5700x in video games is negligible. Maybe the 3d for more cache, but it's hard to argue with an $150 5600x.
I still rock a i9 9900k still to this day with a 64gb ram and an ex 3060 12gb vram and a 2Tb m.2 ssd and the only thing holding this cpu back is the motherboard VRM.
The main issue with the i9 9900k or KS is the pricing. They are not worth it and they have to be clocked to 5GHZ to compete IPC wise with less power hungry chips running far cooler and quieter. For productivity the X99 chips are not far off if not equal so the value isn't there atm. Also don't forget that 8/16 core CPU's are getting incredible cheap on both sides of the spectrum from AMD's Ryzen 7 line to intel's Xeon's. This Halo product will remain relevant for a bit longer but definitely not worth its Halo price tag
It's 5700X money and a 5700X can be slotted into a PCB for £25 used and get within a couple of percent of it's performance limits with a couple of toggles and relatively modest cooling solution. Chips like the 9900K make no sense in the current market, you can do more with less outlay and lower power consumption, so unless you literally are doubling up your build as a space heater (and some in cold climates do, why spend money just heating air when you can do both at once with an Intel right?) then these really have little use.
as much as i loved my i9 i knew it was time to upgrade when i was playing cyberpunk with my new 7900 xtx (was previously on a 3070) and i was getting far more stutters with an i9 and 7900 xtx in cyberpunk opted for a ryzen 9 7900x cpu and was night and day differance jesus christ i was skeptical of going amd for cpu since my last cpu i used from them was a bulldozer 6 core nothing but problems so just always opted for intel since then... amd have come a long way and im glad theres now competition in both pricing and performance from them now
One possible reason this CPU is still so expensive is that some of the last Intel-based iMacs can be upgraded to this CPU... I've noticed the same trend happening even for Sandy bridge era stuff and certain MXM graphics cards like the AMD WX4130 and WX4150 that are known to work well in the 2011 iMacs
Great video. If you have one of these overclocked to 5ghz then you are still good. I didn't realize the 5600x was this good, clearly it's the budget winner.
I sold my 9900k and Z390 mobo earlier this year. I replaced it with the I5 13600k, which does everything. Unless you can get the 9900k for $45-$50, it makes no sense to purchase this over the Ryzen 5000 series.
Bought this new on 2020, for $300, still rock solid @5ghz clock and @4.6 ring, with a 2070 super and a 32gb 3600mhz cl14-14-14-28 Bdie DR Kit. Can keep games like Valorant, CS2, OW2, Apex, Fortnite at 1080p 240fps comp settings, if I had a 360hz monitor I would probably upgrade since it struggles maintaining +300fps
still on my i9-9900k, though it started out with a 1070, and has been through a 3090 and now a 4090. The main thing showing its age now is DDR4 compared to DDR5 and will be my main reason for upgrading in the autumn when the Core Ultra 200 series is released. If there was a z390 board with DDR5 support I might be inclined to keep the CPU as it's still plenty for games.
All the 1% lows show that AMDip, which keeps the 9900k up to par with both Ryzen chips tested. It is why the best competition gaming rigs will have a 14900k at their core (Intel pun intended).
there is no way your 9900k was only stable at 3200 cl16, something probably went wrong there and your current non bdie should definitely run at least at 3800mt/s with that chip. But anyways even with that terrible memory 9900k really shows how great it was/is in many tests it manages to compete against zen 3, much newer arch
when i think of something older than 10th gen i just get sad. and then i think of 11th gen and it gets worse. i remember when the 7th (i believe?) gen “i9” came out and i said why would anyone need that. whichever was the one with 18 cores basically completely HEDT. sure E cores aren’t “real cores” but it’s still a little baffling how 16 cores became “standard” for high end and now we have 24 cores. even when 8 cores was becoming the norm i was telling myself who realistically needs more than 8 for anything except for maybe servers.
Yeah I don't know about who would need that for gaming, my old i7 7700K and GTX 1660 Super still work great. My daily driver with a 13900K and a 3060 TI doesn't really perform that different in most of the games I play, but man does it make life easier in my personal hobby/job preparation/portfolio projects where I am writing fairly complex programs. Even my work machine's 12 threaded Ryzen 5 PRO 5650 is such a headache to work with sometimes. As software becomes more and more layered the more computing power we need for the same amount of application (AI applications and workflows only make this worse)
I think I made a great plunder back when I got the 9600K in a bundle at a slight discount. 6 cores and 6 threads do not feel good these days. Goes over 5 GHz, which is nice, but doesn't help that much. I think Ryzen 3000 was available at that time and I really should have taken a look in to them.
I made a large error buying the 3700X over a 9600K, sure the 8 cores were cool but they were slow as hell and ran my favorite game at 80 fps while a friend with a 7600K was getting 144 easy. A used 8700K in 2019 was probably what we both should have bought.
Still rocking my i9 9900K, still holds on today pretty well all core OC to 5.0Ghz but man does it draw a lot of power and produce a lot of heat. I think I'll upgrade next year to the 15th Gen intel CPU's but I'll definitely keep my i9 especially as I have the cool box it came in.
@@BonusCrook yeah I've been using 9900k # 5ghz paired with 4400mhz 2x16gb memory that's pretty great to more than likely move to 4k before upgrading platform.
Flagship CPUs always command a good secondhand market price. I bought my 9900K for about $1000 AUD a few yeses ago and sold it a couple of years later for $900 AUD within half an hour of putting it up on eBay. Here in Australia I still see 3rd and 4th Gen i7s regularly sell for $100+ AUD. Crazy to think about but it’s true.
the memory instability comes probably from a heavily degraded IMC. intel had no limits and i have seen coffeelake(R) CPUs running at 1.5V SA and IO with high frequency XMP kits. my 9900k for example runs 4x8 4000 CL18 fine. but with auto voltages it overvolts both VCCSA and VCCIO by over 450mv which is a destructive voltage.
I don’t think it’s Intel who sets those reckless limits. It’s the board partners who do so they can claim that their boards “perform better” than everyone else. Many Ryzen 3000 chips have fallen victim to this as well with many used chips having dead memory channels and falling well short of boost clocks that they used to be able to hit when brand new.
@@PlayerUzUno it was not as they were basically the same CPU but 2 core difference and slight frequency difference wtf you even on about you have any clue? A 5ghz 9900k with good memory traded blows with 5800x.....
You know what I find interesting about the i9? That naming convention was originally planned to be used with the original core i series, but for whatever reason they changed plans and stopped at i7.
Heck, just lately my wife's 8700k just started showing its age in alot of video and graphic design jobs we just decided to upgrade her mini itx 8700k/5700XT system with a new Lenovo Legion Laptop with AMD 7745HX cpu and rtx 4070 and man, its a night and day difference!
Watching this video at my 9900k 5.0 4x8Gb 3200C13 RX6900XT PC. Still a beast! Thank you for your video. Edit: wanna more CPU tests with RTX ON because some games with RT can affect CPU.
I have the same setup, very happy with it. I upgraded my GPU from a GTX 1080, to the 6900XT earlier this year. Just dropping in the new GPU made a huge difference and saved a ton of money. I'll keep the 6900XT and use it in my next build in a couple years. No need to upgrade my PC now.
Bought one last year in a craigslist system that had no gpu and storage drive but the price was right. $80 for cpu, ram, mobo, case, cooler and psu lol.
@IcerbergTech I9-9900k was design for emulator software VT-D and VM ware program you will not notice this processor upgrade when you came from i7 8th gen going to I9-9900k when just using it for straight forward gaming. This processor is pricey due to the demand of productive 3d rendering and other rendering app. Basically this processor is much more effective when used on Nvidia Quadros for productivity. This processor also one of earlier chips stable enough to create 1 PC 5 user at the same time. Basically I9 is a baby junior version of latest Xeon chipset
I always love videos from this channel, the presentation and photography is something I don’t even see much more popular channels and I love to see comparisons like this because you don’t normally see results with parts that are more than a few years old with most content. I’d love to see a performance per watt since energy bills have gone up for many people and to see how far we’ve progressed when shrinking the nodes. Also, I’d really like to see a comparison from zen2 to zen3. Many people, including myself, upgraded from zen2 and noticed a huge increase in performance but how does it compare to coffee lake CPUs or even older? Is it worth it to upgrade to the now even cheaper zen2 since am4 is being sunset and prices of those parts are cheaper than ever or would it be better to just skip to zen3 or even am5?
I built a i9 9900kf system in 2023 not knowing there was newer gen hardware out there and got scammed buying used parts listed as new. But am very happy with build just wish I bought parts at used prices
9900K is basically a higher clocked 3700X with a better memory subsystem. And 3700X is basically the CPU that powers this generation of consoles. 8c/16t of Zen2 / Skylake cores can still hold up for a few years. They won't run all the newer games at 144Hz+ but they will provide a playable experience.
My 15 year old son games on a rig that runs the i9-9900 low-power T version out of my old Lenovo mini PC combined with a Phantom Gaming 6750xt on a basic 310 mobo. Works perfectly for him.
I got one of these chips back a few months after they launched. As a layman at the time, i had this paired with a budget motherboard in a prebuild, so the vrms couldnt keep up with my attempts at overclocking. Today it barely holds 4.8-4.9GHZ, and the good motherboards are expensive as ever. even so, i never felt the need to upgrade so its decent coming from someone who owned it new. Ill hold out with it least a little longer, lol. Newer processors aren't impressing me much, even with their great budget pricing (especially compared to the graphics market).
My 9900k runs at 53/52/51/50/50/50/50 Turbo ratios with 1.420v vcore in bios with LLC medium. 1.255v under load for 5ghz all core and 53ghz single core AVX2 stable. CPU score for timespy is 12988 and my R15 score is 2125 for multi and 223 for single.
i9 9900KF on a Z370p D.3, No throttling for those looking. Gigabyte Days Gone 4K Ultra 16GB, 8GB MSI 3070 60fps rock solid vsynced about 90fps un synced.
Yeah, I have a couple of B-Die kits and I haven't been able to fully get DDR4-4000 to work with the 9900k. I also have a Gigabyte z390 Aorus Master and a z370 Gaming 7 board, which are both excellent lga1151/300 boards..... but I wonder if Gigabyte 1151/300 boards don't handle Memory OC's very well. I came across a 10700k a year and a half ago and it had ZERO problems working with 4000MT/s RAM and it would even overclock to 5.2GHz quite easily. The board I used was the Asus Strix Z590-A. I paid a bit less for both of these combined than what a single 9900k is goes for. A couple other notes from my time with the three 9900k CPU's I've owned. I'm still using one in my media PC with a 3070. It runs like h3ll with the Cooler Master 212 EVO. I only used this because I was already using it with an i5-8600k that I had in a system. The 9900k/212 is mostly fine when gaming, but Cinebench or folding will make the clocks scale back. My Asus Prime Z370-A can't deal with the 9900k very well. It might be fine when gaming, but even with a good CPU cooler the clocks will scale back. When I tried overclocking my 9900k to 5.0Ghz, the system would shut off when running Cinebench r23. Prime95 is out of the question. I tried Throttlestop and the with the Z370-A board the system still shut off. This is not a problem when I have tried the 9900k with the Maximus X Apex, Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 7, and Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master. The first 9900k I had only overclocks to 5.0GHz at +1.3v, and the other two could hit 5.1GHz with +1.3v, but the last two are the later stepping version. When overclocked, these even challenged a 280mm AIO cooler when running stress tests.
I actually had a z390 aorus ultra with my 9900kf that ran 32gb 4000mhz c14 ram no problem, I thought it was normal till I watched this video and started reading the comments
@@RardyGuy a few days after posting that comment i returned to the issue again and got 4000c16 running stable after like half an hour of tuning VCCSA and VDDQ
Iceberg Tech : the i9 9900K was the first CPU that was impossible to cool with any tower air cooler. It needed an AIO water cooling, preferably on the VRM-s as well with a monoblock, to perform on to its default advertised specs, especially with turbo clocks and all core steady clocks above 4.0 GHz. But the problem is that the 2019-s Ryzen 7 3800X was slightly faster in IPC, single-core and multi-core while eating approximatelly 35 % less power....so yeah, the i9 9900K is officially dead since 2019, if not for the motherboard EOL, then for the performance loss agains the 3800X. And as far as Intel 12-th gen goes, it's not made in 10 nm....in reality there are 2 CPU-s under 1 CPU die....and the only one made in semi 10 nm is the laptop E-cores....while P-cores are still on the hybrid 22nm / 14 nm litography :).
@@gamingedition5165these all applications that you talk about are now based on 12 to 15 years old application engines that are heavily 1-core dependant and are full of hidden Intel compilers that hinder non-Intel cpu-s significantly. That's a historical fact that has been talked about and proven by many many outlets in the past 15 years. Considering that, the 3800X is still heavily beating the i9 9900K even in those old apps.
I get that you're an AMD Fanboy (hope you got stocks/being paid by AMD, otherwise Fat L to fanboy for any company) but one of my rigs has a 9900k @ 4.7ghz with a Noctua NH D15S and it never goes over 70c. Also my Motherboard in that rig (Asus Maximus XI Hero), it's VRM never gets hot. Also TF you talking about with Alder Lake/Raptor Lake since it looks like you're parroting Tech Yes City's video that provides absolutely no proof that's the case but alas, you're a fanboy.
@@JethrosFriedChickenEmporium your i9 9900K quazi not getting above 70 °C witha NH-D15 is a complete lie or a wrong temperature reporting. Why ? Because I have an i9 9900K and I have tried cooling it with the NH-D15 and it always got above 90°C. After the i7 8700K there hasn't been a single i7 or an i9 chip that was able to be cooled with anything else than an AIO water cooler preferably with the monoblock. Sorry mate, but you're spreading misinformation here buttercup. So, you're such a Shintel fanboy that you're willing to lie about owning an i9 to achieve your peace of mind :).
@@lflyr6287 Hahaha I called you a fanboy because of your PFP (You can't tell me you're not a fanboy). If you actually had a 9900k, you'd know that you can undervolt the cpu (like with how I lowered it to 1.210v) to achieve lower temps. Also you didn't answer my ADL/PPL question. Also if you think I'm an Intel fanboy, I'm typing this on an AMD laptop with a 5800H and I got some AMD builds but please, go on about me being an Intel fanboy. I'm not going to bother responding to you any farther since you give off those bottomless pit Wojak meme vibes.
yeah, but i dont know anyone who plays games at those bs settings, i use my 9900k to play at 120hz 4k max settings with 4090 and the fps difference to the new cpu is 10/20% max, many games is the same fps or less than 10%.
There is something wrong with your chip or the platform. I bought the 9900k a year and a bit after it released for under 400$ and the Aorus Elite mobo for 180$, started with 32gb of Corsair vengeance 3200 cl16 that I oced to 3600 cl18, then upgraded to 64gb Crucial Ballistics 3600 cl16, getting 50ns latency running XMP so good enough, the CPU is running 5ghz all core, I have a 6800xt so a bit slower GPU and I'm getting more FPS in the games that I own and you tested. I love this platform and have no plans to upgrade, playing at locked 4k 60hz almost in all the games no problem. Actually bought an Asus z390 maximus hero on Aliexpress during the recent sale for 80$ to replace my mobo, also got a few Bdie sets that maybe I'll play with to get sub 40ns latency, maybe try squeeze 5.1ghz from the CPU. Also got an EVGA z390 dark but that's for a collection and maybe play with not daily use. Also looking for an Aorus master z390, I know I have a problem but oh well. I do agree tho that it's not worth buying now at the prices it's selling. A good alternative to 9900k is i7 5960x on x99 mobo, I built a system like that recently, put 16gb of the Corsair vengeance ram in there and it ran at XMP 3200 cl16 no problem, the 5960x ran at 4.7ghz all core with a Noctua nhd 15 cooler, got rank 1 in time spy and time spy extreme with that CPU and 3060ti, just sold that PC for 1000$, mobo is still a bit expensive but the CPU is 50-60$ on Aliexpress.
Used PCs from marketplace and Craigslist with this chip is really the only place it has real value. I recently picked up a used pc with a 9900k and rtx 2080ti combo for $500.
when I was building my PC at the time, the 9900K was only ~$70 more than the 9700K at Micro Center. Ultimately, I decided to go with the 9700K because of concerns of heat issues with the 9900K. On too many benchmarks - results showed the 9700K actually performs better than the 9900K if your cooler for the 9900K isn't amazing. It runs super hot, and if the cooler can't keep up, the 9900K goes into throttle mode allowing the 9700K to outperform it.
Behcnhmarking in gaming at the time often put it slightly behind the 9700k which is what I went for. Alas the lack of HT has dated this CPU too. I only went intel at the time because I was running a hackintosh. Just buiilt a new system on the AM5 platform and intend to move back to linux from macos. Hopefully I won't have to do a full system upgrade this time unlike with my 9th gen intel system.
My 9900K almost always beat my 8700K and also get much closer to my 5600X. Are you using ReBAR/SAM (good Z390 boards support it)? Nice revisit though. The 8700K and 9900K don't suck just yet nowadays, but the 5600X and faster AM4 CPUs are certainly good upgrades. They run so much cooler it's amazing.
Ram is a issue on new platforms. Its suggested to have only 2 stick. (1 per channel) then you can run high memory speeds. While if you have 4 sticks it will not allow to clock higher above 3200mhz( some ryzen chips with 4 sticks only work from 2666mhz-3200mhz) anything higher is a no go
Would be very interesting how high you can clock this thing. I believe this is, were the most "value" lies, not performance wise, but when you are into overclocking and want to have some fun with it.
There are z370 boards with the VRMs to handle the 9900k. They are just very rare. My Aorus Z370 Gaming 7 for instance has the same VRMs as the z390 they put out. So you can get away with it on this board. There is also an Asus model that does the same. More than that I have not found personally yet.
ERRATA:
The Blender chart has the i3-7350K at some ridiculous low number. This is because Google Sheets can't handle fractions of seconds, so it converted "26:47.11" into "02:47:11" as if it was the time of day. The i3 actually took 26 minutes 47.11 seconds, not 2 mins 47.11. For the future, I'll probably just round the fractions off...
That 7350k was just such a enthusiast part that it quite literally broke charts.
Hi, I love watching your videos.
I think that the error is that Google Sheets uses hours (of the day) indstead of minutes, if you pay attention to the chart you can see in the "x" axsis are written some values, (i.e.: 00:00:00, 06:00:00 12:00:00 and 18:00:00) after that the cycle repeats. Could be it? Hope I've been useful for the next video.
P.S.: Sorry for my English, I do my best ;)
7350k are ridicoulos pointless cpu now and for 6-7 years
I always get shocked when i see how relatively small this channel is yet quality is off the roof great video as always
same , his videos are A class quality
Well it's definitely a channel that's worthy of way more subscribers and viewers.
Really good work that's put in every video here
Hardwork never goes unnoticed
I agree with all of u he's quickly become my favourite tech youtuber for showcasing random pc parts for the last few months definitely his hardwork is showing
AAA Quality
I have a i9 9900K with a 1080ti, still rocking in 2023
stock 9900k with a 3090 in 2024
You got a series bottleneck there. 9900k is way too weak to properly utilize that card.@@nusantara8428
Don't spoil the ending! I just ordered one to upgrade from my I7... also extended from 32 to 64 bit to help me edit videos and compositing.
@@nusantara8428 cpu bottleneck lol, unless ur on 4k and overclocked.
@@nusantara8428Damn dude you're extremely bottlenecked. I had a 5600x and even that's better than a 9900k. With a 5800X3D the bottleneck disappeared. You might want to upgrade or go to 4k
Awesome to see the 9900k still hanging in there, still my daily driver CPU. Same OC @ 5 ghz, it's a decent performer.
mines is paired with a 3080 , still my daily driver too
It holds bad considering its 2018-19 cpu and zen3 2020 and zen3 cpus still on sale now almost 4 years later and 5800x3d are pretty competitive with 14900k too on cheap am4 mobos
Same
@@Mr11ESSE111 Sure but none of those CPU's existed at that point.
now they exists and now used 9900k and 10900k are still terribly overpriced and they are shit for that price when you see what you can get for similar or same money@@0Synergy
Still rocking 10900k with 4000mt/s b die ram and the performance is awesome. No plans for upgrading it anytime soon.
i recently bought a 10900K and an asrock imb-1711 mb for use in my proxmox home server. 20 identical logical processors at 3-5ghz kick ass. none of that E and P core nonsense.
@@manitoba-op4jx these E and P core kick asses and it is a future, yes I agree if you have older windows and not windows 11, OS will probably have issues utilizing them properly
I gave my 10850K to my gf when i got a 7800X3D. Honestly it was hard to even tell a difference between them. keep that 10900K for many years!
Bro your CPU is about 2 iterations of the "man, I've been left behind" thing ahead of mine. I've got a i5-4690K. It hasn't made any sense for me to upgrade my CPU since I bought this PC used in 2016. How many times will you upgrade before I finally do?
@@TheBcoolGuy this purely depends on what you play and do. The i5 4690k wouldnt even help me at my UW res on the games I play at all, nvm the overall experience being slower. Heck give it till the 8800x3D and I will upgrade from my 5800x3D to it as by then I am going to assume the GPU I will get and the FPS I want will be out of reach for the 5800x3D
It's funny to think that these old intel chips are still so inflated, even though modern, faster, cooler and more power efficient options are much cheaper
Are these sellers seeing something that we aren't? Like the video said, you can get a better cpu and motherboard for cheaper, and carry your ram over since I'm assuming people who are eyeing the 9900k or similar are on older ddr4 motherboards.
agreed. watching the video while checking the prices.
I think the reason for the high price on these old i9s is the fact that it's the best CPU you can get if you have an LGA 1151 system and don't want to/can't get rid of it yet.
It has been always like this with Intel, in the past it was the i7 Pride...
I have IT colleague's who would rather buy Intel even if its slower than AMD. You will always have irrational fans on both sides.
It’s a curve, it was pretty cheap when outdated till the stock started to run out then the prices went back up since there is limited supply. Basic economics.
Still perform like a beast!!! truly legendary cpu,5 years old and still rocks!!!!!!
The i9 9900K was the best Gaming CPU money could buy at the time, but nowadays you can get a Ryzen 5 5600 for the same performance at half the price, and even cheaper a used i7 8700k, for roughly the same performance. Not to mention that the 5s of Intel 12th gen and Zen 4 just smoke the old flagship.
Only reason to buy is just for bragging right at this point, since the most logical reason is to jump on 12400f+mobo for the same price of the i9 9900K. And it's a rather good deal! A whole platform upgrade of cpu+mobo+ram for a new 12th gen kit, probably enough for a 12600kf and ddr5, or just the i9 9900k to cover for the 12400f and mobo cost while selling the mobo separately for a bit more than in a combo.
You need need high framerates, why not keep the second hand CPU...
pay more for them now ?
Were are you getting mobo CPU and ddr5 same price as 9900k are you this thick lol? Jesus Christ.
honestly, recommended my friend to get this since he's rocking a 9th gen mobo and doesnt play very demanding games, shame these go for such high prices years later
We've been looking for a used one for so long
"recommending my friend to get this", "he doesn't play demanding games"
makes sense.
@@white_mage perfectly balanced,as all things should be.🤡
@@white_mageConsidering that their friend could most likely get a cheaper cpu with a motherboard upgrade that performs better than the 9900k, I would say it's valid.
Why does he need a 9900k if he doesn't play demanding games? A 9600k should be fine and isn't insanely unreasonably priced used.
my honors in my defense i never mentioned this motherboard is a hand me down, this boy is BROKE asf, so getting anything else that wont last him a long time is NOT an option here, please let my undescriptive slide as he wont bee getting any new motherboard for likely another 2-3 years 🗿
im basically saying we're getting him the best cpu possible atm while also looking for a cheap i9 (found a few within the last few hours on ebay and facebook market place)
found an i9 for 109 USD and I will be picking it up for him this wednesday
Cool video. Interesting to see how some "old" tech holds up. Meanwhile I am here still rocking my old T3600 with a Xeon E5-2665. 11 years and counting.
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Good tidbit at the end. These things are extremely expensive still. My brother wanted to get one to not abandon his Z370 board to upgrade from a 8600K, but for $50 more than our local cheapest 9900K, I got him a 13600K and a Z690.
I bought the rival to this CPU in early 2020, the Ryzen 9 3900X. 50% more multicore performance and similar single core performance at the same price point seemed like great value.
Zen 2 was the cross over point where AMDs concept started to become refined. We saw the same thing with the Core i range, promising early performance gains from gen 1 and 2 then refinement in gens 3 and 4.
Same, I went AMD also, was the right call in the end for sure, upgraded to a 5800X3D and now I'm considering waiting for AM6 or post Zen, whatever they call it. Same with my 6800XT vs 3080 in the end the 6800XT aged much better.
@@darthwiizius No, Zen 2, the IF-MC is gimped. It automatically cut off when it detected that you are using 3.733 GHz RAM kit. Your IF speed is running 1/4 speed of the RAM kit:
2.133 GHz RAM - 1.066 GHz IF
2.400 GHz RAM - 1.2 GHz IF
2.666 GHz RAM - 1.333 GHz IF
3.2 GHz RAM - 1.6 GHz IF
3.6 GHz RAM - 1.8 GHz IF
3.733 GHz RAM - 0.933 GHz IF
4.0 GHz RAM - 1.0 GHz IF
A friend of mine had a 2700X, and it's was a golden silicon. He bought the expensive 4GHz RAM kit with CL17, not the higher CL20+. He saw 20% boost of performance on average across the board!
This shows that the IF is dependent on the RAM speed (2GHz, since DDR is double data rate) and very low latency RAM.
2.133 GHz RAM - 1.066 GHz IF
2.400 GHz RAM - 1.2 GHz IF
2.666 GHz RAM - 1.333 GHz IF
3.2 GHz RAM - 1.6 GHz IF
3.6 GHz RAM - 1.8 GHz IF
3.733 GHz RAM - 1.866 GHz IF
4.0 GHz RAM - 2.0 GHz IF
I upgraded from the 3900x when I bought it from 3 years ago for the 5800x3D. Love the 5800x3D!
@@GamingLovesJohn
I did the budget version last year, I upgraded from the R7 1700 to the R5 5500. Was using the R7 from Dec 2019 to about a year and a bit ago. Zen3 cores are a big upgrade from Zen cores. Even on my (now) entry level system on my cheapo 2 fewer Zen3 cores there are much fewer stutters than with Zen. It's the only change I've made other than sticking a 1TB Samsung Evoplus 2.5 SSD to replace a 512GB 2.5 HDD to expand memory,
Weirdly, over the years some 'flagship' CPUs will still command a higher price than what is reasonable. The old Pentium 4 Extreme Editions were examples of that phenomenon for a while. It's still fun to revisit these old premium parts though.
People often forget that their hardware is aging. It’s not rare to see people sell a rig with a 980ti and i7 6700k for 600€ or something. Its hilarious :)
you've come a long way since i started watching you doing your benchmarks with the 5600G
keep up with the great content, you have a very relaxing voice!
Really love the style of the channel and the amount of work you put in is impressive - subscribed! :)
Had a 9700k paired with a 2080super that was phenomenal in 1440p, smashed everything out there, my friend bought it and had it until a few months back when he changed it, that 9700k was insanely solid for a healthy what? 5 years of close to daily gaming with discord calls and streams? absolute beast of a cpu.
myself i got a 10900k still living strong here, had it since release and its just as fast as it was day 1, smashes everything in 3440x1440p paired with a 4070ti and 4000mhz ddr4 cl19 32gb ram. My girl is getting it when the 9800x3d comes, then its finally time to say goodbye, the 10900k has hands down been the best cpu i've ever had period.
I remember using a 9900k back when I used to be editing supervisor for my friend's youtube channel. It was great for its time. Never gamed on it. Sadly lost most of the system to a massive power surge which took the mobo, psu and cpu out. At least the ram and gpu were fine
My last Intel system was an Evga x58 e758 /3 Way -Sli and i7 930 bought March 2010, I lucked up and got the last boards Evga had made and didn't need the mod to drop a Xeon X5660 into the socket and boots right up, it was so old it had working OCZ Gold DDR 3 1600Mhz Tirple channel , I later added some Corsair memory which run fine with the OCZ at 1600Mhz Triple Channel @ 18Gb, last time it ran was Crossfire RX 580 and RX 570 = no ribbon was needed anymore.
Moved to AM4 in 2017 and never looked back!
Memory helps a lot. On both my 10900 (non k but power ulocked so 5.2 single core / 4.6 all core) and my 11900k saw big gains going from 32gb single rank cl18 3600 to 32gb dual rank cl14 3733 b die. 9900k is still overkill for the majority of games especially if you can pair it with good memory.
It should be a war crime that Iceberg Tech only did his benchmarks with crappy 3200MHz dimms.
how do you find that low of latency with that speed? do you buy cl14 3200 ram and overclock?
@@lilporno6583Other way around, it was a pair of cl16 4000mhz that I tightened the timings on with a downclock. The IMC on the non K 10900 isn't great and the 11900k to keep it in Gear 1 (which you want for gaming) can't really get above 3733/3866 unless you got an amazing chip.
I run an I9-9900k with a 4070 ti and 32 GB of RAM still manage to get 100% GPU usage in most games especially at 4k
slow frames you need, why that ?
Currently running a 9900k and 2060 @1440p and was thinking of upgrading to a 4070 Ti Super. You think it would be worth the money? Wanting to play some newer games at 1440p at not abysmal frames.
If the perfomance graphs are right then you would have a pretty significant bottle neck at 1440p but 4k you would be getting pretty much no bottleneck So I would say you can get away with it. If you undervolt the gpu you would probably be fine at 1440p. Undervolting is easy and highly recommended if youve never done it before.@@xaxscratchxax926
Great video as always!
5700x is $100 less on the used market, so...... Yeah I'd look at getting one of those opposed to the i9. Great job on the benchmarks.
Such an awesome deal for a great CPU that has a ton of life left. I'm rocking my 5800X3D till the wheels fall off.
12600K is better :P
I`ve got 9900k for 5 years and i don`t need upgrade. while amd fans only now have the same performance
I had the 9900ks. Somehow sold it 2 weeks ago for £260. With that I bought an x570 motherboard and a 5700x3d with £50 spare!
The only upgrade I've ever done that gave me money back.
I too had issues with RAM faster than 3200, but the new AMD system sees the same kit running 3800.
I'm still rolling with an i9 9900k paired with an rtx 4080 and it's hanging in there nicely
Dang nice I'm pairing mine with a 7900 xtx
yeah 10900k here with a 4070ti, smashing everything.
Thanks for your dedication and all the verbatim in each video. This makes easy to comprehend and absorb main points 😊
Also helps you are using an AMD gpu, they help out "slower" cpu's a lot more. Nvidia has way more driver overhead. One of the reasons my 4790k lasted me from 2014 to 2020 with AMD gpu's.
Lasted for what, exactly? I've been running an i5-4690K and GTX 1080 since 2017 and I've not been held back.
@@TheBcoolGuy Oh you are, in fact that 1080 is being bottlenecked HARD in remotely modern titles. Even BF1 in 2016 a 4690K was a stutterfest. 4c4t at that IPC is dead. I'd grab a cheap high clocked 4c8t Xeon off Ebay if I were you. Even my 4790k with a Vega 56 (roughly equivalent to a GTX1080 these days) is cpu bound in many titles and that's paired with 32gb c10 ddr3 2400mhz.
Even my current 11900k with dual rank 32gb c14-14-14 ddr4 3733 bottlenecks my 6900XT at times now.
I still use a 9900K, paired with an RTX 4070 for 1440p gaming. Frame generation really helps on those games that support it, Flight Sim especially. Timespy, and at 5.1ghz it scored 11980 in a recent test btw. Next year I'll be looking at am5 and a 7800x3d but happy enough for now and I'll still be able to get a fair amount selling it. Cheers for the video!
8800x3d comes out next year if ur already planning on waiting
I'm still on a 9900k also, with an RTX 4090. At 4k resolution, the GPU is the bottleneck in most games. That being said, I'll probably upgrade to a 15900k next year.
Have a 9600k and it barks woth more power love this cpu just build it lately with a z390 motherboard plan on upgrading nextbyear when i buy a new monitor and gpu
Absolutely wild to see a $150 drop-in upgrade outperforming the "best of the best" from when I put together my mid-range rig at the end of 2018. Back in the market after I finally decided my Ryzen 5 2600X and GTX 1660 weren't cutting it anymore. I've upgraded to an RX6700XT and will be dropping in a Ryzen 5 5600X as soon as I can.
Wait for the 5700X3D to drop and grab that or get a 5700X. Worth the extra cheddar for 8 cores
@@josh4434 Why? The performance difference between the 5600x and 5700x in video games is negligible. Maybe the 3d for more cache, but it's hard to argue with an $150 5600x.
I didn` have a need to upgrade 9900k for 5 years
This channel is amazing, keep up this high quality long content!!
I still rock a i9 9900k still to this day with a 64gb ram and an ex 3060 12gb vram and a 2Tb m.2 ssd and the only thing holding this cpu back is the motherboard VRM.
i still use i9 9900k through gtx 1070ti, gtx 1080ti and rtx 3080 at this moment. 128GB of Ram just still at 2666, sad a little
Not that sad because you reduced the latency of your ram
@@godhalo8582?
@@slaydog5102 tweaking the ram you can reduce the timing
0:35 Spinal Tap !!! :D
The main issue with the i9 9900k or KS is the pricing. They are not worth it and they have to be clocked to 5GHZ to compete IPC wise with less power hungry chips running far cooler and quieter. For productivity the X99 chips are not far off if not equal so the value isn't there atm. Also don't forget that 8/16 core CPU's are getting incredible cheap on both sides of the spectrum from AMD's Ryzen 7 line to intel's Xeon's. This Halo product will remain relevant for a bit longer but definitely not worth its Halo price tag
It's 5700X money and a 5700X can be slotted into a PCB for £25 used and get within a couple of percent of it's performance limits with a couple of toggles and relatively modest cooling solution. Chips like the 9900K make no sense in the current market, you can do more with less outlay and lower power consumption, so unless you literally are doubling up your build as a space heater (and some in cold climates do, why spend money just heating air when you can do both at once with an Intel right?) then these really have little use.
Another wonderful video man! Love this stuff
Im still with my 8700k xD awesome video
as much as i loved my i9 i knew it was time to upgrade when i was playing cyberpunk with my new 7900 xtx (was previously on a 3070) and i was getting far more stutters with an i9 and 7900 xtx in cyberpunk opted for a ryzen 9 7900x cpu and was night and day differance jesus christ i was skeptical of going amd for cpu since my last cpu i used from them was a bulldozer 6 core nothing but problems so just always opted for intel since then... amd have come a long way and im glad theres now competition in both pricing and performance from them now
I play Cyberpunk with a 9900k and RTX 4090, I don't get any stutters. You can check my videos.
One possible reason this CPU is still so expensive is that some of the last Intel-based iMacs can be upgraded to this CPU... I've noticed the same trend happening even for Sandy bridge era stuff and certain MXM graphics cards like the AMD WX4130 and WX4150 that are known to work well in the 2011 iMacs
Worst part is Intel mindset is still stuck in most people. They are still selling 4c/8t i7s for 150€+!!
Your videos quality is insanely good, incredible, i wish you had a discord server xD
Nice video, I enjoyed :)
Great video. If you have one of these overclocked to 5ghz then you are still good. I didn't realize the 5600x was this good, clearly it's the budget winner.
Well the i9 was using cheap memory. I bet it was the Gigashite boards fault.
I sold my 9900k and Z390 mobo earlier this year. I replaced it with the I5 13600k, which does everything. Unless you can get the 9900k for $45-$50, it makes no sense to purchase this over the Ryzen 5000 series.
Bought this new on 2020, for $300, still rock solid @5ghz clock and @4.6 ring, with a 2070 super and a 32gb 3600mhz cl14-14-14-28 Bdie DR Kit. Can keep games like Valorant, CS2, OW2, Apex, Fortnite at 1080p 240fps comp settings, if I had a 360hz monitor I would probably upgrade since it struggles maintaining +300fps
Get a 4K120 oled tv and a used 4090 when the 5090 comes out. keep it going.
Sold my 8700k and got a 2nd hand 9900k for a good price last July. I really didn't want to build a whole new system. 😅
still on my i9-9900k, though it started out with a 1070, and has been through a 3090 and now a 4090. The main thing showing its age now is DDR4 compared to DDR5 and will be my main reason for upgrading in the autumn when the Core Ultra 200 series is released. If there was a z390 board with DDR5 support I might be inclined to keep the CPU as it's still plenty for games.
Seriously, you make such good videos. Love the content
Loved the video and the music hehe :)
All the 1% lows show that AMDip, which keeps the 9900k up to par with both Ryzen chips tested. It is why the best competition gaming rigs will have a 14900k at their core (Intel pun intended).
there is no way your 9900k was only stable at 3200 cl16, something probably went wrong there and your current non bdie should definitely run at least at 3800mt/s with that chip. But anyways even with that terrible memory 9900k really shows how great it was/is in many tests it manages to compete against zen 3, much newer arch
Bet it was the Gigabyte mobo what a pile of garbage those have been for me.
when i think of something older than 10th gen i just get sad. and then i think of 11th gen and it gets worse. i remember when the 7th (i believe?) gen “i9” came out and i said why would anyone need that. whichever was the one with 18 cores basically completely HEDT. sure E cores aren’t “real cores” but it’s still a little baffling how 16 cores became “standard” for high end and now we have 24 cores. even when 8 cores was becoming the norm i was telling myself who realistically needs more than 8 for anything except for maybe servers.
Yeah I don't know about who would need that for gaming, my old i7 7700K and GTX 1660 Super still work great. My daily driver with a 13900K and a 3060 TI doesn't really perform that different in most of the games I play, but man does it make life easier in my personal hobby/job preparation/portfolio projects where I am writing fairly complex programs. Even my work machine's 12 threaded Ryzen 5 PRO 5650 is such a headache to work with sometimes. As software becomes more and more layered the more computing power we need for the same amount of application (AI applications and workflows only make this worse)
@@BlueScreenCorp13900k with a 3060 ti ☠️☠️☠️☠️
I think I made a great plunder back when I got the 9600K in a bundle at a slight discount.
6 cores and 6 threads do not feel good these days. Goes over 5 GHz, which is nice, but doesn't help that much.
I think Ryzen 3000 was available at that time and I really should have taken a look in to them.
I made a large error buying the 3700X over a 9600K, sure the 8 cores were cool but they were slow as hell and ran my favorite game at 80 fps while a friend with a 7600K was getting 144 easy.
A used 8700K in 2019 was probably what we both should have bought.
@@BonusCrook Haha, that's fair enough.
I suppose the grass isn't always greener on the other side
Still rocking my i9 9900K, still holds on today pretty well all core OC to 5.0Ghz but man does it draw a lot of power and produce a lot of heat. I think I'll upgrade next year to the 15th Gen intel CPU's but I'll definitely keep my i9 especially as I have the cool box it came in.
Don’t wait, get a 14th gen intel!
I hear dat last + on their latest manufacturing node increased performance markedly…
@@YudaHnKthat's stupid. He's better of waiting and not buying into dead platform lol.
Im using a 13700K with tuned samsung B die memory, its pretty great.
@@gamingedition5165 he was being sarcastic you table.
@@BonusCrook yeah I've been using 9900k # 5ghz paired with 4400mhz 2x16gb memory that's pretty great to more than likely move to 4k before upgrading platform.
Flagship CPUs always command a good secondhand market price. I bought my 9900K for about $1000 AUD a few yeses ago and sold it a couple of years later for $900 AUD within half an hour of putting it up on eBay. Here in Australia I still see 3rd and 4th Gen i7s regularly sell for $100+ AUD. Crazy to think about but it’s true.
People still pay good money for CPUs like the 7700K It's disgusting.
I’m still rocking with the 9900k, editing 4K h.265 footage and gaming in 2k.
Love these videos
the memory instability comes probably from a heavily degraded IMC.
intel had no limits and i have seen coffeelake(R) CPUs running at 1.5V SA and IO with high frequency XMP kits.
my 9900k for example runs 4x8 4000 CL18 fine. but with auto voltages it overvolts both VCCSA and VCCIO by over 450mv which is a destructive voltage.
He's also using 4 DIMMs, which is a huge no-no for memory OC as it puts a lot more stress on the signal integrity from the IMC to the RAM.
Probably the issue was the motherboard being made by gigabyte
I don’t think it’s Intel who sets those reckless limits. It’s the board partners who do so they can claim that their boards “perform better” than everyone else. Many Ryzen 3000 chips have fallen victim to this as well with many used chips having dead memory channels and falling well short of boost clocks that they used to be able to hit when brand new.
@@keagan5379
Intels Website: 14900K
"Maximum Turbo Power: 253 W"
@@keagan5379 no its intel, look at their site
I bought one right after the release of the 10 series wich caused it to drop in price from 480€ to 330€
I would love to see INTEL's 10 and 11th Gen results in these look-back videos.
Something feels a little wrong here. I always remember the 9900k able to trade blows with the 5600x more or less. Or was it the 10900k?
10900k, the 9900k was rhe best cpu before 10th gen and Ryzen 5000.
actually even some ryzen 3000 ware better than rhe 9900k
@@PlayerUzUdude your deluded lol
@@PlayerUzUno it was not as they were basically the same CPU but 2 core difference and slight frequency difference wtf you even on about you have any clue?
A 5ghz 9900k with good memory traded blows with 5800x.....
@@gamingedition5165 overclock is a thing, ryzen can overclock too, we are talking about stock settings.
You know what I find interesting about the i9? That naming convention was originally planned to be used with the original core i series, but for whatever reason they changed plans and stopped at i7.
Heck, just lately my wife's 8700k just started showing its age in alot of video and graphic design jobs we just decided to upgrade her mini itx 8700k/5700XT system with a new Lenovo Legion Laptop with AMD 7745HX cpu and rtx 4070 and man, its a night and day difference!
Watching this video at my 9900k 5.0 4x8Gb 3200C13 RX6900XT PC. Still a beast! Thank you for your video.
Edit: wanna more CPU tests with RTX ON because some games with RT can affect CPU.
Why 3200MHz
@@BonusCrook z390 Aorus Pro mobo can’t run RAM any higher
@@segakn98 rip i have a z690i from gigabyte and ive never hit more than 3800 stable
@@BonusCrook BRUH
I have the same setup, very happy with it. I upgraded my GPU from a GTX 1080, to the 6900XT earlier this year. Just dropping in the new GPU made a huge difference and saved a ton of money. I'll keep the 6900XT and use it in my next build in a couple years. No need to upgrade my PC now.
Bought one last year in a craigslist system that had no gpu and storage drive but the price was right. $80 for cpu, ram, mobo, case, cooler and psu lol.
Love the use of Paul in your thumbnail....LOL
@IcerbergTech I9-9900k was design for emulator software VT-D and VM ware program you will not notice this processor upgrade when you came from i7 8th gen going to I9-9900k when just using it for straight forward gaming. This processor is pricey due to the demand of productive 3d rendering and other rendering app. Basically this processor is much more effective when used on Nvidia Quadros for productivity. This processor also one of earlier chips stable enough to create 1 PC 5 user at the same time. Basically I9 is a baby junior version of latest Xeon chipset
I always love videos from this channel, the presentation and photography is something I don’t even see much more popular channels and I love to see comparisons like this because you don’t normally see results with parts that are more than a few years old with most content.
I’d love to see a performance per watt since energy bills have gone up for many people and to see how far we’ve progressed when shrinking the nodes.
Also, I’d really like to see a comparison from zen2 to zen3. Many people, including myself, upgraded from zen2 and noticed a huge increase in performance but how does it compare to coffee lake CPUs or even older? Is it worth it to upgrade to the now even cheaper zen2 since am4 is being sunset and prices of those parts are cheaper than ever or would it be better to just skip to zen3 or even am5?
I was at the 9900k launch event. My confidential 9900k is still in my kids system.
I built a i9 9900kf system in 2023 not knowing there was newer gen hardware out there and got scammed buying used parts listed as new. But am very happy with build just wish I bought parts at used prices
The kf was the best 9900 chip so you can feel happy.
9900K is basically a higher clocked 3700X with a better memory subsystem. And 3700X is basically the CPU that powers this generation of consoles. 8c/16t of Zen2 / Skylake cores can still hold up for a few years. They won't run all the newer games at 144Hz+ but they will provide a playable experience.
The last good CPU rest in peace, real time processing as priority 😢
In still rocking the 9900k. Just got the a770 and it's actually decent.
My 5900X goes to E L E V E N. If you ahve a z390 and are thinking of getting a 9900 I9 as an upgrade we need to rebrand thinking
the ddr4 3200 cl16 definitely holding it back, no question
My 15 year old son games on a rig that runs the i9-9900 low-power T version out of my old Lenovo mini PC combined with a Phantom Gaming 6750xt on a basic 310 mobo. Works perfectly for him.
2018/19 does not seem so long ago, but damn that's 5 years!
I got one of these chips back a few months after they launched. As a layman at the time, i had this paired with a budget motherboard in a prebuild, so the vrms couldnt keep up with my attempts at overclocking. Today it barely holds 4.8-4.9GHZ, and the good motherboards are expensive as ever. even so, i never felt the need to upgrade so its decent coming from someone who owned it new.
Ill hold out with it least a little longer, lol. Newer processors aren't impressing me much, even with their great budget pricing (especially compared to the graphics market).
My 9900k runs at 53/52/51/50/50/50/50 Turbo ratios with 1.420v vcore in bios with LLC medium. 1.255v under load for 5ghz all core and 53ghz single core AVX2 stable. CPU score for timespy is 12988 and my R15 score is 2125 for multi and 223 for single.
i9 9900KF on a Z370p D.3, No throttling for those looking. Gigabyte
Days Gone 4K Ultra 16GB, 8GB MSI 3070 60fps rock solid vsynced about 90fps un synced.
Yeah, I have a couple of B-Die kits and I haven't been able to fully get DDR4-4000 to work with the 9900k. I also have a Gigabyte z390 Aorus Master and a z370 Gaming 7 board, which are both excellent lga1151/300 boards..... but I wonder if Gigabyte 1151/300 boards don't handle Memory OC's very well.
I came across a 10700k a year and a half ago and it had ZERO problems working with 4000MT/s RAM and it would even overclock to 5.2GHz quite easily. The board I used was the Asus Strix Z590-A. I paid a bit less for both of these combined than what a single 9900k is goes for.
A couple other notes from my time with the three 9900k CPU's I've owned. I'm still using one in my media PC with a 3070.
It runs like h3ll with the Cooler Master 212 EVO. I only used this because I was already using it with an i5-8600k that I had in a system. The 9900k/212 is mostly fine when gaming, but Cinebench or folding will make the clocks scale back.
My Asus Prime Z370-A can't deal with the 9900k very well. It might be fine when gaming, but even with a good CPU cooler the clocks will scale back. When I tried overclocking my 9900k to 5.0Ghz, the system would shut off when running Cinebench r23. Prime95 is out of the question. I tried Throttlestop and the with the Z370-A board the system still shut off. This is not a problem when I have tried the 9900k with the Maximus X Apex, Gigabyte Aorus Z370 Gaming 7, and Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master.
The first 9900k I had only overclocks to 5.0GHz at +1.3v, and the other two could hit 5.1GHz with +1.3v, but the last two are the later stepping version. When overclocked, these even challenged a 280mm AIO cooler when running stress tests.
Yea gigabyte boards are awful. I have a z690i ultra lite and cant consistently get more than 3600MHz out of my 2x16GB Bdie Kit
I actually had a z390 aorus ultra with my 9900kf that ran 32gb 4000mhz c14 ram no problem, I thought it was normal till I watched this video and started reading the comments
@@RardyGuy a few days after posting that comment i returned to the issue again and got 4000c16 running stable after like half an hour of tuning VCCSA and VDDQ
@@BonusCrook mine just worked off xmp but the the xmp had a crazy high voltage, I had to put a fan on the ram or it wouldn't be stable
Iceberg Tech : the i9 9900K was the first CPU that was impossible to cool with any tower air cooler. It needed an AIO water cooling, preferably on the VRM-s as well with a monoblock, to perform on to its default advertised specs, especially with turbo clocks and all core steady clocks above 4.0 GHz.
But the problem is that the 2019-s Ryzen 7 3800X was slightly faster in IPC, single-core and multi-core while eating approximatelly 35 % less power....so yeah, the i9 9900K is officially dead since 2019, if not for the motherboard EOL, then for the performance loss agains the 3800X.
And as far as Intel 12-th gen goes, it's not made in 10 nm....in reality there are 2 CPU-s under 1 CPU die....and the only one made in semi 10 nm is the laptop E-cores....while P-cores are still on the hybrid 22nm / 14 nm litography :).
3800x still lost in all applications Vs 9900k apart from cinebench were latency does not affect synthetic runs.
@@gamingedition5165these all applications that you talk about are now based on 12 to 15 years old application engines that are heavily 1-core dependant and are full of hidden Intel compilers that hinder non-Intel cpu-s significantly. That's a historical fact that has been talked about and proven by many many outlets in the past 15 years.
Considering that, the 3800X is still heavily beating the i9 9900K even in those old apps.
I get that you're an AMD Fanboy (hope you got stocks/being paid by AMD, otherwise Fat L to fanboy for any company) but one of my rigs has a 9900k @ 4.7ghz with a Noctua NH D15S and it never goes over 70c. Also my Motherboard in that rig (Asus Maximus XI Hero), it's VRM never gets hot. Also TF you talking about with Alder Lake/Raptor Lake since it looks like you're parroting Tech Yes City's video that provides absolutely no proof that's the case but alas, you're a fanboy.
@@JethrosFriedChickenEmporium your i9 9900K quazi not getting above 70 °C witha NH-D15 is a complete lie or a wrong temperature reporting. Why ? Because I have an i9 9900K and I have tried cooling it with the NH-D15 and it always got above 90°C. After the i7 8700K there hasn't been a single i7 or an i9 chip that was able to be cooled with anything else than an AIO water cooler preferably with the monoblock.
Sorry mate, but you're spreading misinformation here buttercup. So, you're such a Shintel fanboy that you're willing to lie about owning an i9 to achieve your peace of mind :).
@@lflyr6287 Hahaha I called you a fanboy because of your PFP (You can't tell me you're not a fanboy). If you actually had a 9900k, you'd know that you can undervolt the cpu (like with how I lowered it to 1.210v) to achieve lower temps. Also you didn't answer my ADL/PPL question. Also if you think I'm an Intel fanboy, I'm typing this on an AMD laptop with a 5800H and I got some AMD builds but please, go on about me being an Intel fanboy.
I'm not going to bother responding to you any farther since you give off those bottomless pit Wojak meme vibes.
the i9-9900K and the 2080 Ti isnt as iconic of a combo as the i7-7700K and the 1080 Ti, but will still be remembered as legendary
yeah, but i dont know anyone who plays games at those bs settings, i use my 9900k to play at 120hz 4k max settings with 4090 and the fps difference to the new cpu is 10/20% max, many games is the same fps or less than 10%.
Yeah, maxing out CPU FPS is something for esports players, most of us end up GPU frame limited before we get CPU limited.
i upgraded from q9650 not long ago to 9900k, great cpu i love it
about the same, never needing high frames
There is something wrong with your chip or the platform.
I bought the 9900k a year and a bit after it released for under 400$ and the Aorus Elite mobo for 180$, started with 32gb of Corsair vengeance 3200 cl16 that I oced to 3600 cl18, then upgraded to 64gb Crucial Ballistics 3600 cl16, getting 50ns latency running XMP so good enough, the CPU is running 5ghz all core, I have a 6800xt so a bit slower GPU and I'm getting more FPS in the games that I own and you tested.
I love this platform and have no plans to upgrade, playing at locked 4k 60hz almost in all the games no problem.
Actually bought an Asus z390 maximus hero on Aliexpress during the recent sale for 80$ to replace my mobo, also got a few Bdie sets that maybe I'll play with to get sub 40ns latency, maybe try squeeze 5.1ghz from the CPU.
Also got an EVGA z390 dark but that's for a collection and maybe play with not daily use.
Also looking for an Aorus master z390, I know I have a problem but oh well.
I do agree tho that it's not worth buying now at the prices it's selling.
A good alternative to 9900k is i7 5960x on x99 mobo, I built a system like that recently, put 16gb of the Corsair vengeance ram in there and it ran at XMP 3200 cl16 no problem, the 5960x ran at 4.7ghz all core with a Noctua nhd 15 cooler, got rank 1 in time spy and time spy extreme with that CPU and 3060ti, just sold that PC for 1000$, mobo is still a bit expensive but the CPU is 50-60$ on Aliexpress.
Probably because iceberg tech is using a gigabyte board and 3200MHz junk memory, those are trash.
Used PCs from marketplace and Craigslist with this chip is really the only place it has real value. I recently picked up a used pc with a 9900k and rtx 2080ti combo for $500.
Can't wait to brag about, "I've been here since 4k subs!!"
still rocking the i9-9900k buyed it at laught
when I was building my PC at the time, the 9900K was only ~$70 more than the 9700K at Micro Center. Ultimately, I decided to go with the 9700K because of concerns of heat issues with the 9900K. On too many benchmarks - results showed the 9700K actually performs better than the 9900K if your cooler for the 9900K isn't amazing. It runs super hot, and if the cooler can't keep up, the 9900K goes into throttle mode allowing the 9700K to outperform it.
Unfortunately for you, you didn't realize they were the same CPU but the 9700K had no hyperthreading and a lower power limit. 💀
Nice video
The Hype was real back in 2018 when this CPU came out....
Behcnhmarking in gaming at the time often put it slightly behind the 9700k which is what I went for. Alas the lack of HT has dated this CPU too. I only went intel at the time because I was running a hackintosh.
Just buiilt a new system on the AM5 platform and intend to move back to linux from macos. Hopefully I won't have to do a full system upgrade this time unlike with my 9th gen intel system.
My 9900K almost always beat my 8700K and also get much closer to my 5600X. Are you using ReBAR/SAM (good Z390 boards support it)? Nice revisit though. The 8700K and 9900K don't suck just yet nowadays, but the 5600X and faster AM4 CPUs are certainly good upgrades. They run so much cooler it's amazing.
Sorry, I dont get it: The old i3 is fastest at Blender Classroom with only 2min 47 (?), but has the longest bar in the diagram? Why?
See the pinned comment
Ram is a issue on new platforms. Its suggested to have only 2 stick. (1 per channel) then you can run high memory speeds. While if you have 4 sticks it will not allow to clock higher above 3200mhz( some ryzen chips with 4 sticks only work from 2666mhz-3200mhz) anything higher is a no go
Your content is always excellent, but this one gets a like for the video's title alone. 😂
that classic intro hits hard
Would be very interesting how high you can clock this thing. I believe this is, were the most "value" lies, not performance wise, but when you are into overclocking and want to have some fun with it.
There are z370 boards with the VRMs to handle the 9900k. They are just very rare. My Aorus Z370 Gaming 7 for instance has the same VRMs as the z390 they put out. So you can get away with it on this board. There is also an Asus model that does the same. More than that I have not found personally yet.
*It's over 9000!*