Tossing A Tenant

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  • The plaintiff says the defendant was her landlady, who she claims vindictively kicked her out and even lunged at her when she moved out after 13 years. She says the defendant won’t return her security deposit, so she’s suing. The defendant says she took the plaintiff to housing court to evict her, and she had to be forcibly removed after destroying the house.
    Case 29-279

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  • @KennuhWayne
    @KennuhWayne 3 ปีที่แล้ว +201

    I can't stand when litigants refuse to answer a direct question. This case drove me up the wall!

    • @AtonalApple
      @AtonalApple ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Me too. I dated a lying drug addict and he would do the exact same thing. It makes you want to rip your hair out after a while.

    • @RobinKrystalIreland-vg1mt
      @RobinKrystalIreland-vg1mt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Harvey needs someone to write new questions for him to ask!

  • @mallo1334
    @mallo1334 3 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    They were both annoying me with being all indirect, lost, and careless of their own case. Smh

  • @mikesteele05
    @mikesteele05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    I’d be embarrassed to be either the landlord or tenant and have those pictures shown.

    • @dunkinjunkie5868
      @dunkinjunkie5868 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too!!!

    • @Verharri
      @Verharri 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Saaaaame!

    • @snappinturla420
      @snappinturla420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Gross! Anything for a dollar to have your dirty laundry aired on national TV. 🤦‍♀️

    • @DB-jw6el
      @DB-jw6el 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It looks a mess but It's really not that serious. There's been much worse shown on this show

  • @elizabethhansen6984
    @elizabethhansen6984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    The plaintiff sure dances around her answers

  • @lunastar776
    @lunastar776 3 ปีที่แล้ว +137

    My parents always rented their homes, until about 5 years ago when they bought their home. But growing up my parents tought us kids, to treat the place like it's yours, to respect the property, especially if it's not yours.

    • @NubianP6
      @NubianP6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly.

    • @trekgirl65
      @trekgirl65 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      taught*

    • @n3k0rrrb
      @n3k0rrrb ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Same here...and try to leave things better than you found it if you can

    • @ginoasci
      @ginoasci ปีที่แล้ว +2

      tell your parents they are awesome.
      don’t know them, but i love them.

    • @mahailiabrown3972
      @mahailiabrown3972 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm glad your parents taught you that most people learn by what they see your parents seem like awesome people hope all is well with you and them

  • @ambervallerio2816
    @ambervallerio2816 2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    I really don’t know how people live like that. You can tell by the floors that they have not seen a mop in the whole 13 year’s 👀

  • @sdays59
    @sdays59 3 ปีที่แล้ว +354

    My mom had a section 8 tenant and each year they would come out to inspect for the slightest crack or paint peel. So I don’t know how the landlord escaped inspection. Shame NYC!

    • @darylrichardson8567
      @darylrichardson8567 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Too many cases

    • @abigail1023
      @abigail1023 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes, their places must in perfect condition. Mine wasn't and no one cared, but I was paying my own rent so tough luck.

    • @Astinsan
      @Astinsan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Section 8 is a nightmare.. this is the kind of tenant you get from section 8. Never accept it.

    • @Mocharocks9966
      @Mocharocks9966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly

    • @Mocharocks9966
      @Mocharocks9966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She also slipped through the cracks for 3 years

  • @kayekaye08
    @kayekaye08 3 ปีที่แล้ว +489

    That plantiff got lucky cuz she is FOUL

    • @archer2368
      @archer2368 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Stop renting to just anyone and expecting for all sources of people to respect our place. Vent people better take your time and everything will go in your favor. Everyone is at fault.

    • @kimberlyadorno280
      @kimberlyadorno280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      @@archer2368 Are you a landlord? I'm not being a jerk or facetious, I'm just curious, because it isn't as simple as you're stating. There's only so much a Landlord can do. I mean, she definitely should have had annual inspections to minimize potential damages but vetting tenants is extremely hard. You can call references, check public records, run credit and criminal history, but how can that tell you the tenant won't damage your property, especially after 13yrs?

    • @dominique3610
      @dominique3610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      I want to know how this place looked before she moved in before judging

    • @kayekaye08
      @kayekaye08 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@dominique3610 i hear u, I swear but it was over a decade and if there were major repairs why not report while you there. U just gonna allow things to be broken in your home (renting or not renting) & not report it to the landlord & THEN ask for 1500 back. That's whats foul to me

    • @LawsonPatterson
      @LawsonPatterson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      So foul!!! The defendant was probably reeling from her husband‘s death while the plaintiff was taking advantage and putting her through hell.

  • @k0chana6
    @k0chana6 ปีที่แล้ว +42

    Wow , this is the first time that I've seen JM keep her cool when litigants won't give her a straight answer. That plaintiff was SO ANNOYING.

  • @joshuahill9063
    @joshuahill9063 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Tile cracks can also be from improper installation.

  • @kathywinn6869
    @kathywinn6869 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Anyone who has ceramic tiles, especially large ones, knows that it doesn’t take too much to crack them. The slightest unevenness in the subfloor can cause them to crack if someone steps on the right spot.

    • @beckygarrett2024
      @beckygarrett2024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      2 places

    • @beckygarrett2024
      @beckygarrett2024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I know that's a fact I did private duty nursing for a lady. she dropped a small teacup and it broke the. large flood tile in 2 places

    • @sj4iy
      @sj4iy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup, we have the same in our kitchen. We dropped a plate while cleaning up and it nearly shattered the tile.

    • @MhiaLee19
      @MhiaLee19 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly we moved into a brand new fully renovated home that was nice but it had those dumb tiles on the ground and I’m almost sure that it broke the same day we were moving furniture in and we didn’t have heavy stuff.. unfortunately they were both in the wrong in the situation..

    • @righttoouropinionthanks4710
      @righttoouropinionthanks4710 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, or is careless & maybe drops something heavy on it! Shame though. 😮

  • @GoldenGirl2009
    @GoldenGirl2009 3 ปีที่แล้ว +196

    The Plaintiff got over, that house looked a mess… She got lucky, cause there was definitely damage to that house… that she should’ve been responsible for

    • @deee3950
      @deee3950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      13 years! The house was already in shambles. She should have painted EVERY 2 YEARS via nyc law. She should have replaced the tile (floor sticker).

    • @mikesteele05
      @mikesteele05 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@deee3950 it’s every three years in NYC. The tenant can request to have the unit not painted, because it’s often a burden on the tenant. I’m not sure how many times a tenant can request to waive that right.

    • @Mocharocks9966
      @Mocharocks9966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      She lived there for 13 years !! The landlord should have been keeping up with the property. Section 8 should have been going out to inspect the home.

    • @jeffreydorsey2425
      @jeffreydorsey2425 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Water 13years!!!¡!

    • @jeffreydorsey2425
      @jeffreydorsey2425 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Does it matter who paid as long as it's paid

  • @Runzararun
    @Runzararun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +88

    The case was so annoying, no straight answers from either one of them!

  • @latijaiacollins-harris
    @latijaiacollins-harris 3 ปีที่แล้ว +188

    13 years is a long time and for the owner to not make any repairs and expect the home to be in mint condition baffles me! After 3 years at my current apartment, my carpet had a few stains and I asked the apartment complex if I could get a complimentary carpet cleaning after renewing my lease. They sent someone with no problem! Now that's how it's done!

    • @thankyouforincorrectingme
      @thankyouforincorrectingme 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      The problem is, if the tenant never reports the damage, and by the plaintiff responding with “I don’t know how that happened “ to every single thing, she didn’t give the landlord opportunity to fix anything. I understand wear, even linoleum looking sheisty, but you’re supposed to tell the landlord if there’s an issue.

    • @briggyb
      @briggyb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Mint condition? That place was filthy. Come on.

    • @latijaiacollins-harris
      @latijaiacollins-harris 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@briggyb I didn't say the place was in mint condition. I said I don't understand why the owner would expect the place to be in mint condition after renting to someone for 13 years....

    • @thankyouforincorrectingme
      @thankyouforincorrectingme 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@latijaiacollins-harris right? She’s remembering as it was 13 years ago. Crazy to think even the best of cleaners is going to put wear on a house in 13 years. These landlord/tenant cases crack me up with their BS.

    • @briggyb
      @briggyb 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@latijaiacollins-harris I have lived in my house for over 20. Even if I can't repair something, I can clean it. Guess we know what your standards of living are.... 🤪

  • @leanthonysain4476
    @leanthonysain4476 3 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    13 years. The landlord should have kept the home up to date, not the tenant.

    • @jadelee6555
      @jadelee6555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      The landlord is not responsible for damages that the tenants themselves cause.

    • @Arrozconhabichuelas
      @Arrozconhabichuelas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes sometimes if something is broken , u can ask them to replace it and u discount the of the rent money and save receipt to give to landlord

    • @beholdkingjrahhh9014
      @beholdkingjrahhh9014 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@jadelee6555 say a person who NEVER had owned anything.

    • @contessahinson
      @contessahinson 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just like an apt....no renovation...paint carpets until the person moves.....

    • @just4now141
      @just4now141 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So you're supposed to remodel while the tenants living there so basically you're supposed to have the tenant leave for 6 months so you can remodel? Okay my sister is on Section 8 actually and he's never remodeled they're only have to do repairs and that's ridiculous what you're saying that somebody has to move out for a few months so the landlord could update the place and then move back in I mean think about it that's just bizarre

  • @ericanoel8495
    @ericanoel8495 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Ive rented the same condo for 9 yrs. My landlord hasnt stepped foot in here for 7 years. Lol he knows I treat it like its mine. Its spotless and I notify him of any issue then fix it myself and just give him the receipts for any parts and remove it from that months rent. Im free to paint or decorate any way I want and he knows its clean and well taken care and he just has to come collect rent once a month. Win win for both of us.

    • @fayemccray4243
      @fayemccray4243 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Your fortunate.

    • @myronmadey3040
      @myronmadey3040 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wish u were my tenant 5 years ago.I had horrible tenants twice who played the system. I now have tenants who treat their home as if it was theirs!

    • @ericanoel8495
      @ericanoel8495 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@myronmadey3040 I've seen what some people have done even to their own homes. It blows my mind how some people can live in filth and destroy the home they are in.

  • @nikkib5674
    @nikkib5674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Is it all really damage or wear and tear built up over 13 years the tenant was living there ?
    It appears the apartment wasn’t updated at all During The 13 years and repairs were not kept up on by the landlord.

    • @terry_kathryn
      @terry_kathryn 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree, she got her $1500 worth by doing nothing

    • @jilliancasey3125
      @jilliancasey3125 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I agree...13 years, paid every month. Give the woman her security deposit back. That's wear and tear on shotty workmanship in the first place.

    • @dancingonyourgrave4323
      @dancingonyourgrave4323 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sweet, good advice. Smash tiles, rip doors off hinges, destroy the place but it's okay I lived there for 13 years🤣🤣🤣 that's a terrible arguement and she would've lost if not for a technicality.

    • @trinabeena22
      @trinabeena22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dancingonyourgrave4323 exactly! They broke the toilet even. If the tenant actually took care of the house and kept it clean, she could have requested things get fixed and if the landlord didn't, follow up with section 8! This tenant didn't mind living in filth and did whatever she wanted to that house.

    • @drayuh192
      @drayuh192 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dancingonyourgrave4323 definitely agree. I lived in my childhood home for 20years. There's literally two holes in the bedroom wall that was once my room. No doors off the hinges. She gave zero ducks about that house

  • @tracyhurst7512
    @tracyhurst7512 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    13 yrs, and nothing was done? Tenant, and owners should frequent the official state website that answer all questions.

    • @NellieKAdaba
      @NellieKAdaba 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      👍🏾

    • @luzhyer5055
      @luzhyer5055 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I’m sorry but this landlord should have been in top of things! Ugh

  • @Jg-ww7rr
    @Jg-ww7rr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +113

    13 years and the landlord didnt upkeep it ... what do you expect a place to look like after after 13 years of no upkeep. 🤷‍♀️

    • @ariamarshall5161
      @ariamarshall5161 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Right. My current place is OLD....The entire until is OLD. From floor to ceiling. Yet the landlords have the upper hand & be trying to withhold security deposits. Normal ware & tare is resonance. They be trying to get ur money for things they never fixed & have no attention on fixing.

    • @ralexandra1058
      @ralexandra1058 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That’s a good point… but with that said, my apartment is old and I’ve lived here for a long time… the maintenance company has done little to nothing to help with upkeep…but none of my tiles are broken, and my doors/knobs aren’t broken.

    • @byiza9484
      @byiza9484 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly!

    • @NubianP6
      @NubianP6 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I have to disagree with this, because people can live in a home for *30 years.* and never have it look like that. The landlord does act like she just doesn’t give a d@mn, or maybe she’s still grieving, but they tore that house up. Most of what was shown had nothing to do with wear and tear, it was damage, pure and simple.

    • @factsoverfeelings421
      @factsoverfeelings421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      She was on Section 8. The landlord had to keep it in decent condition. That filthy welfare bum tenant just never cleaned.

  • @granitemoss1451
    @granitemoss1451 3 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    I always had the impression Section 8 did frequent inspections and was ultra fussy about the state of things? Looks like the place was worn and outdated, BUT that doesn't account for all of the damages there.

    • @thanumgaming
      @thanumgaming 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I did some work on a few section 8 units as a contractor about 10 years ago. As long as it has four walls, no roof leaks, running water, and electricity it passes inspection. Each unit I was in was utterly destroyed. Was hired to do minimal stuff to get it back in somewhat shape. Was told by the owner "That's all we put into 'em, we'll be back here in 6 months doing it again." Sad.

    • @ftbprodigy7
      @ftbprodigy7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They used to, there is not enough funding to have people actually do it.

    • @ozarksfarmerhansen8782
      @ozarksfarmerhansen8782 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on what State or County you live in.

    • @wagner5424
      @wagner5424 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I lived in a townhouse split into two apartments and the apartment downstairs was Section 8. If that placed inspection I’d hate to see what failed.

    • @sobrietywig2970
      @sobrietywig2970 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you got a diploma, I'd hate to see who didn't. #illiterate ​@wagner5424

  • @nawfali2670
    @nawfali2670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Usually it's the landlord, this time is 100% the tenant!
    Sometimes justice isn't just.

    • @dunkinjunkie5868
      @dunkinjunkie5868 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep I absolutely agree!

    • @lukerinderknecht2982
      @lukerinderknecht2982 ปีที่แล้ว

      The tenant treated the place horribly but the landlord was completely incompetent and it seems MIA.

  • @faznout
    @faznout 3 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    From the pictures that house looks old, run down, and decrepit. So that landlord is going to have to spend money anyway to fix it up. Even if the woman and her children didn't damage the old decaying floors and walls it looks like it needs a complete gut and remodel. Especially after she had the same tenant living there for 13 years. But the woman sold the house anyway so shes trying to make money off of something she doesn't have anymore. But one thing I've come to realize is a lot of these landlords always try to find a way to not pay the deposit when the tenant moves out. No matter how long they lived there.

  • @nettejones8276
    @nettejones8276 3 ปีที่แล้ว +97

    The plaintiff only won because of a technicality. Had an itemized list been sent, she would not have gotten her security back

    • @yung1717
      @yung1717 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And the fact that she had no repairs done in 13 years

  • @soshiangel90
    @soshiangel90 3 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    There are some cases where you can tell Judge Milian really hates local laws but has no choice but to abide by them.
    This is one of those. The plaintiff clearly lived rough in that place and owed for the damage. But she's getting her money back on a technicality and that sucks.

    • @Alesana907
      @Alesana907 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Honestly shes getting her $ back off of the naivete and ignorance of the landlord. How is she renting to section 8 tenants but has the nerve to say she doesnt understand in the slightest how it all works. And then didnt know in order to keep a tenants deposit u have to send them a letter explaining why. That's baffling. I'm sure she received a landlord booklet from section 8 and educating yourself on the other things is a click away. Even as a healthcare professional I have to earn education credits..I cant just say oh I never knew about that and potentially hurt or kill someone.

    • @lisaparrey1343
      @lisaparrey1343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Alesana907 exactly my thoughts. and yes some of that damage I think is tenant fault but I feel most is not. The toilet, I have often seen a crack like that in a toilet and no knowledge of how. if it was a big open crack, yes I would say Tenant fault. But the doors and walls showed clearly there had been no maintenance in that house.

    • @marilynwillett804
      @marilynwillett804 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      There is no reason for a grown woman w/a son to have such damage in her apt. I've been in my house for 18 years, w/my son no such damage., no repairs.

    • @sj4iy
      @sj4iy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The defendant did not follow the law. There's a reason they exist. She didn't give a section 8 tenant a lease for the entire time she was there and she didn't send the itemized bill saying why she was keeping the security deposit. It doesn't matter what the plaintiff did, if you are a landlord you have to follow your stay or city laws regarding rentals. There's no excuse. If she could not do it herself, manage the rental properties, she should have sought legal advice and/or a property manager. She set herself up to lose.

    • @yung1717
      @yung1717 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You can’t tell that 😂. They’re both clueless so why only pile on the plaintiff?

  • @Barbara-tc6fe
    @Barbara-tc6fe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    13 years on Section 8? There seriously needs to be a time limit.

  • @nickmjones
    @nickmjones 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    This is a typical NYC landlord, constantly pleading poverty and hardship when it comes to maintaining their many properties-but always right on time with the late rent notices and housing court paperwork. This tenant deserved this win, and more.
    This lady owns a multi-million dollar house in Brooklyn, she rents it out in practically condemned condition, and she’s shaking this lady down over some broken tiles? GTFO.

    • @aprilpinkelton4385
      @aprilpinkelton4385 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Right. I'd say after 13 yrs if you didn't bother to go in and paint or look at anything!?!? Come on give it a break already! Show me disgusting filth, horrible carpet, holes in the wall, etc. A broken tile or two?!? A door that needs to be screwed in? How much interest did you earn off of her deposit?

    • @augustmoon9973
      @augustmoon9973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Nick that's a good point. So, don't tenants have rights as well when it comes to painting walls, carpet cleaning, maintenance of the property every several years? In 13 years that seems like normal wear & tear of the home, especially with children. The flooring in the kitchen and bathrooms should be completely replaced, what was used was cheap standard flooring, that needs to be replaced overtime anyway. So, glad she got her money back. 😁

    • @meekthegreek1623
      @meekthegreek1623 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Seems like many assumptions are made about the landlord..how do you know?

    • @pamelahaze3211
      @pamelahaze3211 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Landlady looks homeless..and has a wierd affect.. NPC

  • @forrestja
    @forrestja 3 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    She’s been the first 13 years. How is she supposed to know what happened in every instance.

    • @amyward7921
      @amyward7921 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      She stayed there 13 years abs had children I mean I’m willing to bet the landlord didn’t fix much or check on the place. Just sopping up that good ole rent 🤦🏾‍♀️

    • @VirgoCali89
      @VirgoCali89 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      True and after 13 years there is sure to be damage

    • @kennethbaker5223
      @kennethbaker5223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@VirgoCali89 Normal wear and tear, not the type of damage that was reflected in the pictures.

    • @lisaparrey1343
      @lisaparrey1343 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@kennethbaker5223 in 13 years, tiles will crack, vinyl tear and screws come undone, Paint will definitely peel. I would say most was wear and tear

    • @kingoffarts8352
      @kingoffarts8352 ปีที่แล้ว

      It sounds like neither of them are responsible

  • @nannynewsviews542
    @nannynewsviews542 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I hardly ever side with landlords......but she tore that apartment up

  • @Prettylilfearz
    @Prettylilfearz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Landlord knows her property was no prize! Plaintiff didn’t have much to work on to begin with but definitely added to the damage. They are both responsible imo

  • @snappinturla420
    @snappinturla420 3 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Tenants abuse the system. Especially if they live off the government. What’s it to them if they cause damage to the property, it’s not theirs and they get free money from the government by playing the system. I would never consider being a landlord because most tenants don’t take care of other people’s property. I’ve seen court shows enough to say it’s true 🤷‍♀️ My opinion

    • @Elanjdriab23
      @Elanjdriab23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Actually government based tenants are monitored and visited periodically by the landlord or property management Hard to get away with abusing the system if landlords are inspecting periodically as they should

    • @eloahnon4952
      @eloahnon4952 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Elanjdriab23 Exactly.

    • @rockypluto2683
      @rockypluto2683 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Awesome opinion...I agree 100%

    • @lolalopez7657
      @lolalopez7657 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Elanjdriab23 a lot of damage is done when moving, and a lot of damage isn't noticed while the tenant is living in the property.

    • @Ohpeaches87
      @Ohpeaches87 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ya i agree, its sad that people work extra hours at work each week just to cover all these government programs and instead of showing thanks alot of those living off the government types just demand more stuff. I believe they think its free somehow lol, but its peoples hard labor that they profit off of.

  • @devi229
    @devi229 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Judge : a year and 3 months?
    Defendant: it was actually 15 months
    Me: 😮😑🤦🏾‍♀️

  • @CWYounger10
    @CWYounger10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This case gave me a headache. No one can give a straight answer to the Judge’s questions.

  • @DarkFlame0wns
    @DarkFlame0wns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    If you stay at a place for 13 years you should expect some damages. I don’t really blame the defendant at all.

    • @kissmyfrigginass
      @kissmyfrigginass 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "some damages" not destroy everything

    • @Swampzoid
      @Swampzoid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I doubt this very old apartment was in excellent condition when this lady moved in.

    • @BeccasaurousRex270
      @BeccasaurousRex270 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not damages, just wear and tear. My parents lived in their house for 30 years and no damage, just wear and tear.

  • @kevinjudy2210
    @kevinjudy2210 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    13 years, with kids growing up there, could have been a lot worse...

  • @dgaines6781
    @dgaines6781 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Now why did the judge put the plaintiff through all of that just to give her the money she asked for? I’m guessing it “makes for good tv.”

    • @BCNeil
      @BCNeil 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      in a real court, this case last 3-4 minutes

    • @zubileegluckgluck
      @zubileegluckgluck 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Milian often toys with people, for gratification of her huge ego. Much like Judge Judy, who has a kind of psychological fetish for berating and humiliating people who are not as smart as her, just because she can.

    • @smash1029
      @smash1029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@zubileegluckgluck oooor it’s for TV. To make the cases last longer and entertaining lol

    • @kimberlyadorno280
      @kimberlyadorno280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@smash1029 exactly 🤦‍♀️how would the ratings be if they conducted it like a real courtroom? Plus in some cases, like in this one, she knows she has to rule in favor of the plaintiff even though she morally doesn't deserve, so she made her "pay" by airing her out on television with the damages.

    • @EthanFindsOut
      @EthanFindsOut 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      In hopes that a tenant will have more respect for the next rental home.

  • @lilkim3443
    @lilkim3443 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Everything the judge asked the plaintiff she says "uumm, I don't know." They tore that house up but the landlord was suppose to fix up some too.

  • @hutchu1
    @hutchu1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    With all the money she saved in 13 years. I hope she got her children a good education.

  • @jawanzaevans8842
    @jawanzaevans8842 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Damn she won that case by clerical error being that the defendant didn’t give her notice within 14 days of why she’s keeping her security deposit

  • @jccanteen
    @jccanteen 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    COME TO COURT PREPARED 🤦🏾‍♀️ Know the sequence of events and important dates. Know the amounts. Have your evidence in order. Geesh 🤯

  • @NolaPie
    @NolaPie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think the landlord purposely withheld the first few letters. Also section 8 requires inspections so how she never checked the house?

  • @raizinboyz
    @raizinboyz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My experience is when the government pays, the recipient doesn't care. Judge Millian says "The cheap comes out expensive", I say "The government comes out the MOST expensive!"!

  • @talkswithtee3397
    @talkswithtee3397 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Tips I’m learning now as a landlord! I know every five years the home should be repainted and every six months home inspection, as well .. I think

    • @TheZogie
      @TheZogie 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on where you live. Because its every 2 years for new paint in many places

    • @derinaries
      @derinaries 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Remember to put those in the lease.

    • @pegjardin1954
      @pegjardin1954 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@derinaries excellent point

  • @queenjackson1037
    @queenjackson1037 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The plaintiff knows she tore that house up

    • @damnnerves24
      @damnnerves24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ Queen Jackson
      Right! The damage looked beyond normal wear and tear. The banister was filthy, bedroom door and walls ratchet and the peeling paint with door off the hinges.. the plaintiff was guilty and got off on a technicality.

  • @Elanjdriab23
    @Elanjdriab23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    You cant expect a tenant to live on a property for five plus years and there NOT be any sort of damage or ware and tear

  • @traceyaz125
    @traceyaz125 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Adrian Prince where arrreee you? 🎶 🤣

  • @ciaraleigh8856
    @ciaraleigh8856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    IDC the tenant deserves half : maybe less ! She lived disgustingly.

  • @traceyaz125
    @traceyaz125 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That place looks like it needs to be condemned. Shame on the plaintiff and the defendant for allowing it to get that way.

  • @ginoasci
    @ginoasci ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WHAT ABOUT THE DAMAGE ?
    WHAT ABOUT THE DAMAGE ?
    WHAT ABOUT THE DAMAGE ?
    13 years of wear and tare is one thing, BUT DAMAGE IS A DIFFERENT STORY.
    horrible judgement.

  • @factsoverfeelings421
    @factsoverfeelings421 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Why the hell is she getting Section 8 for 13 years? Damn, they sure know how to work the system.

    • @madi4481
      @madi4481 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Because not everyone have the privilege of getting a pay raise.

    • @Ms_B1020
      @Ms_B1020 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Facts!!

    • @williamhudson2815
      @williamhudson2815 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean they white people are on section 8 to talking about they know how to use the system you sound like a racist talking about they

    • @ChasRiaStJohn
      @ChasRiaStJohn 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      My neighbors, when I was younger, were on welfare. Fast forward close to 40 years. They’re still on welfare. They own a home and everything. 6 adults lived in that home.

  • @chrisflores2667
    @chrisflores2667 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That case was crazy! Tenant is dirty!!!

  • @annieg745
    @annieg745 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What does she expect after 13 years especially when there’s small kids?

    • @thinkdifferenttv
      @thinkdifferenttv ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a small child and he is taught to take care of his home. This lady was not teaching her kids that.

  • @JR-cj3jm
    @JR-cj3jm 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This the tenants taking advantage. Not paying 15 months rent erasure that

  • @shifatm8523
    @shifatm8523 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the judge for mentioning the “chickenneck” 😂😂😂

  • @r1verman
    @r1verman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Landlords have a responsibility to know laws regarding tenants. It can be detrimental to their costs as seen in this case.

  • @debrap9448
    @debrap9448 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The plaintiff acts like she hasn’t gotten a free ride for years 🤣😆😂

  • @ginger7344
    @ginger7344 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tiles also crack cuz the stuff under it isn’t spread even and stepping on it makes it crack

  • @telephotousa
    @telephotousa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    A good friend of mine was renting out his folks' house Section 8 and he found out the hard way that veteran Section 8'ers know exactly how to work the system. The place gets trashed, they know exactly how long they can go without paying rent, and like in this case, they know the laws that favor them. That's why she filed the case.

    • @desawilliams3030
      @desawilliams3030 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That was a slum Lord who made a lot of money to not maintain her property. She didn't value a long term tenant or her property

    • @devianadkar7969
      @devianadkar7969 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@desawilliams3030 the dirty plaintiff lived their for 13 years. She wanted her house back and there is nothing wrong with that. This is why those relying on government handouts get a bad rep.

    • @desawilliams3030
      @desawilliams3030 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@devianadkar7969 13 years no repairs they know just how to treat those recipients huh. Subsidized living and they expect maintenance too lol.

    • @CardShark_Chris
      @CardShark_Chris 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@desawilliams3030 You sound like a victim.

    • @desawilliams3030
      @desawilliams3030 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I sound like a person with common sense. Get a life. 😂🤣😂🤣

  • @Goldengurl704
    @Goldengurl704 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    You can tell that the place wasn't in the best condition anyway but the plaintiff certainly didn't help the situation. The new law saved her lol

  • @netra3089
    @netra3089 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    The place looks old and worn down like the landlord hadn’t touched the place in 13 yrs. I’m glad the tenant won!

    • @forevergogo
      @forevergogo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cmon, she trashed that place in 13 years. That said, it was rented out for 13 years.. landlord should suck it up hire a contractor to fix it up nice to sell it.

    • @dunkinjunkie5868
      @dunkinjunkie5868 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Really 🤷‍♀️

  • @BrittBratt2You
    @BrittBratt2You 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    God Bless Whoever Is Reading This 💕🙏

    • @brownskin2742
      @brownskin2742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You too..

    • @katymcginn4644
      @katymcginn4644 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      💜 GOD BLESS YOU TOO BRITTNEY 🙏💜

  • @kelvinstrange679
    @kelvinstrange679 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The black dude with the small cute puppy was hilarious 😆

  • @frankgiuliano380
    @frankgiuliano380 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Being a land lord in NYS, NJ, CT. MA and CA is hell. Imagine dealing with people like this Tenant? These people never pay tenant, destroy the "Rich man's" property.

    • @kevintaylor3435
      @kevintaylor3435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      She could have kept the security deposit if the landlord followed the law, written the letter within the 14 days, and be done with it. You cant just keep someones security deposit because you feel entitled too it.

    • @caligal2010
      @caligal2010 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would never do it. AND she's section 8? That is a HELL NO.

    • @ajvourakis
      @ajvourakis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dont do it then.

  • @eleanoraquitaine2966
    @eleanoraquitaine2966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    She paid her rent on time for 13 years. This judge must certainly be a landlord. Wow.

    • @kimberlyadorno280
      @kimberlyadorno280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Well, to be fair, they didn't go into that history.. plus section 8 paid a great portion of the rent. And yes, lol, Judge Milian is a Landlord. Landlords typically get the short end of the stick because there are so many laws which protect tenants.

    • @eleanoraquitaine2966
      @eleanoraquitaine2966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@kimberlyadorno280 Judge needs to keep her bias out of the courtroom and clearly she didn't.

    • @staceyslaysdragons691
      @staceyslaysdragons691 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@kimberlyadorno280 Actually, Section 8 does NOT pay the security deposit. The applicant is 100% responsible for paying the security deposit. Stated to act as another guarantee to treat the property well and as their own, on top of agreeing to the same when signing the lease. Once the applicant pay, THEN Section 8 will begin paying the landlord the agreed upon monthly stipend. So this plaintiff had to pay the full security, before or at the signing of the lease with HUD and the landlord. Making her also able to sue to recover that deposit if they think it’s deserved. Unfortunately in this case the landlord didn’t follow the law so the plaintiff had a solid case, although no one could tell due to the inability to put together a full sentence. 😒 after 13 years of residency, with zero repairs in that duration, I’d expect MORE than a little wear n tear than one would typically see after a short lease. Especially if I never bothered to step foot into the property the entire 13 years to do a walk through, assess and document any damages and make tenants and section 8 aware then, create a paper trail. 🤷🏽‍♀️ the plaintiff surely could have cleaned the place better than what we saw but, who knows how rough it was when she moved in? There’s only so much one can do with old floors, warped laminate tiles and flat paint on plastered walls. 🤷🏽‍♀️

    • @kimberlyadorno280
      @kimberlyadorno280 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@staceyslaysdragons691 what does the security deposit have to do with my comment? I never mentioned that

    • @kimberlyadorno280
      @kimberlyadorno280 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eleanoraquitaine2966 I answered your question. And how exactly was she biased? Showing the facts? Ok👍

  • @kaytdanielle9619
    @kaytdanielle9619 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Listening to these get me through my work shift 😅😅😂

  • @SimplyASweetHeart
    @SimplyASweetHeart 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol they both snuck a peek at each other when they 1st walked up 😁😂😂

  • @spreadlovenothate5017
    @spreadlovenothate5017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I work in Property Management, and tenants definitely take advantage of the system and the laws when renting. They also unfairly withhold rent, destroy property and move in illegal occupants.

    • @latijaiacollins-harris
      @latijaiacollins-harris 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      When folks are spending a couple thousand or more to move into an apartment, the last thing they are trying to do is pay extra application fees for each adult over 18! I get that that makes them "illegal" in that dwelling, but oh well! As long as the tenant pays the rent on time and isn't causing problems, leave well enough alone! It's hard out here!

    • @spreadlovenothate5017
      @spreadlovenothate5017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@latijaiacollins-harris I agree it is hard out here. But you're making it harder on yourself by not having them fill out the application and do it the "right" way. Because we will report illegal occupants when and if you decide to move out and it's frowned upon by other landlords.

    • @lisaparrey1343
      @lisaparrey1343 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have been a tenant and had real estate agents employing property managers of 20 years of age with no clue and things not been followed up on. I moved out of a place due to an infestation of cockroaches they refused to deal with. This was caused due to a broken pipe in the kitchen as it hadn't been installed correctly and the residual moisture was attracting ants and Cockroaches. I told them if they like their faeces so much I would leave it as I wasn't cleaning up after their pets. I took them to court for my deposit and won as they had no witnesses or evidence and I had 5. When they lost the property manager stormed out like a spoilt brat.

  • @wendy908527
    @wendy908527 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The tenant left that apartment TRASHED and nasty 🤦🏽‍♀️

  • @MAMiiGOTkUSH
    @MAMiiGOTkUSH 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That house was disgusting 🤢

  • @untitledtruths
    @untitledtruths 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Are you kidding me lady! You made a fortune off taxpayers for 13 years! Do you think you wouldn't have to up grade the place! $1900 a month is ridiculous!

    • @darlacummings12
      @darlacummings12 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you. It's amazing to me how people are blaming the tenant.

  • @andrejamal5438
    @andrejamal5438 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The plaintiff got over in this case, that house was Heynis

  • @Astinsan
    @Astinsan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Banister got cracked by furniture moving likely

  • @adashastew
    @adashastew 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    13yrs in a home with kids and she needs to know how a tile broke

  • @jadelee6555
    @jadelee6555 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow that's such a shame. The tenant completely laid waste to that house and she still gets her money back? Disgraceful.

  • @yvonnewhite9942
    @yvonnewhite9942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    On Sec-8 Right Now It’s Six Years Thus Is The First New Lease I’m Signing Since Then.All Sec-8 Does Is Send You PapersTo Let You Know Know If Your
    Rent Went Up Or Down.

  • @andreab2122
    @andreab2122 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    She looks like she didn't clean the house for 13 years either......bye Felicia lol

  • @Kimberly-pf4iy
    @Kimberly-pf4iy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These two litigants don't know their ankle from their elbow. I'm surprised Judge Milian had this much patience with these 2. They got that deer-in-headlights look on the simplest questions.

  • @regisfilia
    @regisfilia 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good grief is the landlord on Ambien? The tenant did some damage to be sure but nowhere near what the landlord wanted, especially given duration of occupancy. Seems like the landlord is at least neglectful if not negligent herself.

  • @sailorminaa
    @sailorminaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I almost blame both sides tbh…they both seemed negligent of maintaining the house for over 13 years.

  • @kristinahighlander2529
    @kristinahighlander2529 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    She lived there for 13 years with children, this seems typical. Also she never did anything to up keep the place. I have lived in government assistance housing and they would paint every 5 years and replaced the carpet every 10 years.

  • @thesaltycarpenter5245
    @thesaltycarpenter5245 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I live in a rented house where all the tile is cracking because it was installed wrong. Landlord is replacing it. It happens

  • @mrsberryblessed
    @mrsberryblessed 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Building shifting/ settling can cause tiles to crack.

  • @patriciaesqueda8933
    @patriciaesqueda8933 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Why did Harvey at surprised when the guy said landowner??? Interesting Harvey

    • @practicewhatyoupreach79
      @practicewhatyoupreach79 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Y’all be reaching. It could’ve just been a surprise that it was a coincidence that a landlord was watching a tenant/landlord case

    • @Ay0ubM
      @Ay0ubM 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think he had that reaction because the guy was saying landlords are usually at fault, so it would be crazy if he was a landlord himself saying that. Harvey is a known ally in the community, it's not always about race sis.

    • @derinaries
      @derinaries 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe because the guy is very young.

    • @kiko784
      @kiko784 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Anything can be “racist” if you look hard enough. I saw a guest from a news network saying that cauliflower and math are racist.

    • @cerseilannister1505
      @cerseilannister1505 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Ay0ubM Exactly! Ugh, it's sad that I knew someone would mention it before I even looked at the comments. Didn't have to scroll for long to find it, either...

  • @shannontrent3702
    @shannontrent3702 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    After living somewhere 13 years, I'd expect some of a security deposit to be kept, because you can't keep everything pristine for that long. However, that tenant didn't have to take any responsibility because the law had recently changed and the landlord had no recourse. Hard to watch, but it's the law.
    #ByeFelicia

    • @Jonahch2v9
      @Jonahch2v9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's interesting because some judges take the time into account in the opposite way. You don't get dinged for things like paint damage and carpets because after ten years they would need to be replaced anyway.

    • @moniqueengleman873
      @moniqueengleman873 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope. If I pay to rent an apartment and the rent continues to increase, and my Landlord sent me to court...I would be mad.
      Normal wear and tear.

    • @noalei
      @noalei 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Some of it is normal wear and tear and some isn't. It's very possible that vinyl floor spot came up from wear and tear over the course of 13 years. That stuff doesn't last forever. But those door hinges being smashed isn't normal wear and tear.

  • @jimdpiazza6270
    @jimdpiazza6270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    They destroy the house and then they think they are not responsible.. It's ridiculous

  • @1967davethewave
    @1967davethewave 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you are a tenant you do not own the property you are living in. I've rented before multiple times and I never trashed a place like the people on these shows. It's sad that the landlord couldn't keep the money because she didn't follow the letter of the law but that house was trashed. What is wrong with people?

  • @otisbuttress8607
    @otisbuttress8607 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    DAMN DID YOU SEE HOW MESSY THAT HOUSE WAS MY GOD WHO IN THE HELL LIVES LIKE THAT. DISGUSTING, NASTY AND JUST RIDICULOUS

  • @MichelleLeah
    @MichelleLeah 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Judge ask question 1:
    Answer: Ummmmm
    Judge ask questions 2,3,4:
    Answer: Ummmmm
    Like what hell did these litigants forget the script 🤣🤣🤷🏾‍♀️🤔
    This is your life you should know the answers to these questions.

  • @kamikazecassidy
    @kamikazecassidy 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Harvey constantly presses the whole ‘whose usually at fault: landlord or tenant?’ It’s clear he wants validation because he is a landlord… he ALWAYS defends the landlord.

  • @elizaleroux9173
    @elizaleroux9173 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tip for tenants.. On the first day of looking at the place.. Take pictures and make a "snag list". (Same on moving out date..) Let the landlord sign with you and it must have a date that the broken stuff will be fixed... If the landlord does not fix it and you send a written reminder.. Get a outside contractor.. Fix and pay for it... And then deduct the amount from the rent... If it ends up in court one day.. You are covered. Any correspondence between tenants and landlords MUST BE DATED.. So keep it in a file..
    And remember this.. A landlord is not your friend.. They can be friendly yes.. But they are running a business.. So keep a good relationship but don't "trust" everything you hear. 👍❤️

  • @reformcongress
    @reformcongress 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Who knows who does it more often? I do think some landlords abuse it but it is likely tenants abuse it far more often(far more tenants than landlords).

  • @lilo4399
    @lilo4399 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The defendant is creepy. Thirteen years and no inspections? Because she would have had to do timely repairs out of pocket.

  • @Bishop545454
    @Bishop545454 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Plaintiff showed up to court half asleep...wake up and present you case coherently.

  • @bresams2917
    @bresams2917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    That's crazy !!! If I got blessed with section 8 I would never leave somebody's house in that condition! Smh section 8 people be foul & she can't even give straight answers to judge! Snake

  • @yvonnewhite9942
    @yvonnewhite9942 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I’m On Sec-8 You Don’t Need A Lease

    • @Dove.Love.
      @Dove.Love. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes you do, I worked for housing authority

    • @danyellg3079
      @danyellg3079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Dove.Love. exactly! You definitely need one for the first year that's for dam sure

    • @danyellg3079
      @danyellg3079 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Girl stop lying

    • @TheZogie
      @TheZogie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Section 8 is certified annually. Im guessing she had a initial lease, and the case manager just kept using the same one. But usually a new lease is needed.

  • @jazzydarling7218
    @jazzydarling7218 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Come on now she been there for 13 years with kids no repairs or paint jobs but she didn’t deserve that deposit

  • @rayrayofficial120
    @rayrayofficial120 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The plaintiff doesn't know anything 😂😂

  • @brdobie
    @brdobie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those gopher teeth on the Defendant.

  • @kittyfan
    @kittyfan 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    we're in a rent control area....landlords can only raise the rent a bit under 2% a year. BUT there are loopholes that landlords use all the time....they can kick out the tenant if an immediate family member wants the apt, or if the building needs major repairs. The family member often doesn't move in.....the landlord just paints the place and doubles the rent...or the building that needs major repairs is granted a huge rent increase, plants 3 trees near the parking lot, and asks for another large increase the next year. In our city the judges almost ALWAYS finds in favour of the landlord, even when they've broken the law. And the fines for breaking the law....if any are imposed are tiny. You can see which side i'm on, Harvey!! All the best to you all at ppl's Court!!

  • @fzklan7535
    @fzklan7535 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    At the end, Doug should've said.
    "Are you going to use it to teach your kids to clean?"

  • @AP-uo7sp
    @AP-uo7sp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    JM forgot to ask if section 8 paid the deposit🧐

    • @ravenna9969
      @ravenna9969 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Don’t believe they pay deposit but I’m sure another program paid for that possibly