1:42 Show Preview 8:50 Ken Climo Interview on DGN 17:01 Simon's Hot Take 26:26 Player Movement / Rumors 29:51 2023 UDisc Stats 50:49 Brodie Challenges Amateur to a $1000 Match 56:18 This Week in Foundation Disc Golf 1:03:00 Pace of Play Golf Article 1:12:45 Lost Disc Etiquette 1:15:31 Sporcle 1:29:33 Listener Questions 1:47:06 Housekeeping
Simon is right, disc golf is at a smaller distance scale than golf with a much larger target. You are never going to make the scores comparable to golf without making the holes really challenging for no reason or outright changing the pars. Embrace what it is. He’s not saying make it as easy as possible, he’s saying embrace that it is easier than golf and a different sport
I agree it should be embraced for its difference. But I want to share that the “bigger target, smaller distance” comparison can be misleading because the lack of clubs and disc vs. ball travel. Golf technology helps all get some distance, and despite the hole being tiny, putting greens are consistent and roll reliably - although the basket is big, it is always raised, so throwing it in means it is in the wind and come-backers are always going to be somewhat substantial
A sport is only as easy as the competition allows it to be. You're not competing against yourself. That is why disc golf is easier than golf. If you swapped the pool of players, disc golf would be considered a lot harder.
@@SiggeSolarixtell me exactly how you aren’t competing with yourself in disc golf? Who else besides yourself do you have to blame for bad shots or missing puts? Who else is throwing your shots for you? It’s quite literally self competition in order to play well, the same as it is with any sport. The truth is there are aspects of each sport that are harder than the other, they are different sports even though they are played similar and share a name partially
@@ThugLifeBitches1 How are you winning a tournament? By playing better than someone else..? You cannot compete with yourself, because there are no competition to sign up for where throwing a lower score than your previous self is rewarded.
@@ThugLifeBitches1 Progress, hitting new personal bests, improving your game is fun and rewarding, but you won't win any championships doing that by itself. If you are competing in a sport, you are playing to win. And to win, you have to play better than the OTHER PLAYERS..
I think what Jerm was trying to say is, he wants to prevent the spit outs. Like what Ken was referring to, so few chains that it the disc hits the pole and comes back out, or a basket so shallow that the disc flops out of it, those examples aren’t rewarding accuracy.
Climo is saying it should reward accuracy AND touch. He compared it to putting in golf, if you are 10 ft from the hole and you hit the ball with 30 ft worth of speed, it's going to hit the cup and bounce out even if you are dead center. You've got to have the right aim AND the right amount of power, wear contrast with current disc golf baskets, you can be 30 ft away and chuck it as hard as you want and if your aim is good it's still going in. It doesn't require touch.
I've played on baskets with one set of chains. They do less catching and more swinging wildly and throwing your disc out of the target. It's almost a deterrent rather than a spot to aim for.
When someone calls me when they find my discs, I usually tell them to keep it. Unless it’s the same day or very recently lost. It feels good to know someone is excited to find a new disc for their bag! I put my name and number on all of my discs. On the flip side, It feels great to reunite other disc golfers with discs I find. Overall, everyone should try and reunite owners with discs if their phone numbers are on the discs. Great discussions here, keep up the good work! Jason
I think Simon’s point is that he just wants well thought out course design and we just need to accept that because putting is relatively easy, there will be a few players that shoot a ridiculous round every time. It’s just the nature of the sport that hitting your lines almost guarantees a birdie.
Brodie, the comment about pros "sucking" reminds me of Brian Scalabrine. Big goofy ginger, used to play for the celtics. Some local prospect basically called him out, said he sucked, and challenged him to a game of 1v1. Scal had the best answer, "I'm closer to Lebron than you are to me". They ended up playing and Scal shut the kid down entirely.
The most exciting thing to see in disc golf is C2 and C2+ makes. Go back and watch coverage. That is when you hear the crowd roar. Why would you want to take that away?
Watched live, but thought of this after.. I agree that scoring needs to more fair in the disc golf world, but in my am3 opinion, changing target size would really alienate the AM side from the pro side. For example 100% of disc golf coarses would become outdated unless clubs and parks officials dropped thousands to replace outdated baskets. This would make it extremely hard for new players to break their ways into the pro ranks and help the tour expand. Secondly making the target smaller would almost eliminate the Ace and thus get rid of disc golfs "Home Run". Yes harder putting might lower scores and better seperate at the highest levels, but as a main stream sports fan in the US, I've never seen an 80ft putt for par on SCtop10; but a 250+ft throw in has made it countless times. Fan's aren't tuning in to watch highly skilled pros play par golf. Fans want to see ace runs and pros playing extremely well on coarses they may struggle immensely on themselves. I think changing the targets may be a long term solution, but could significantly impact disc golf in a negative way if it happens to quickly or the wrong way.
This was very well spoken. The home run analogy was a great piece in what you said because it highlights a certain point, it’s something that makes your heart skip a beat almost because of how exciting it is to witness that live or on tv. That excitement is something that helps viewership, viewership may seem trivial but that’s how you keep getting bigger sponsors and bigger payouts for the players which will in return make the sport more lucrative. I don’t personally see a need to change the scoring system at all, if a guy shoots -18 that’s an incredible feat and again exciting the entire way to witness, it’s not like with high scoring that you still don’t have to play well and it still generates a healthy competitive atmosphere. Another good point was the infrastructure change of having to redo baskets all over the world, these parks are often taken care of by the city’s parks department and that is all taxpayer funded and that kind of infrastructure change would probably be a very slow process and costly for honestly no reason
They would need to reduce the target size while increasing it's ability to catch and prevent spit outs. That would be fair, and difficult to accomplish. Otherwise you'd be watching more pros taking layups instead of running the target. A 50ft putt can miss n fly 30ft in the other direction. A 50ft putt in golf could go no more than a couple inches or a few feet past the hole. Easier to get it in, but punished harder for missing.
I like your subjects and your straightforward analysis. I would only suggest that when you have guests on that are less chatty than you, you should give them a bit more time to respond. I noticed a few times when Calvin was trying to speak and you jumped on top of him. Calvin is someone who's not going to compete with someone trying to talk over him.
@IzobizHD No argument here... my only point is the patterns used for bowling are easily looked up as well as how much oil and how long that pattern is on the lane .... so in ways in kinda like looking at a disc golf sign except with disc golf the course changes due to weather and course maintenance.... bowling is alot more of a controlled environment
18:01 @brodiesmith bowling does change its sport every year, making certain types of balls illegal for pba tournaments, on tour they use a different type of oil on the lanes and they keep making oil patterns harder and harder
Know why? Because bowling has no innate variables so they have to introduce them. Disc golf has automatic variables in wind, elevation, ground play, water, etc. -18 is harder than a 300
@@Discsforbaskets variables? 1:lane topography 2: pin setters 3: lane transition, unlike disc golf lines where anyone can use a gap, when you bowl, rolling your ball on the same area as your opponents the ball will hook earlier because previous shots have moved oil and soaked up oil meaning each shot plays differently
Whereas in disc golf you have the ever-changing wind that affects your disc selection, angles and power etc, in bowling the constant wearing down of oil patterns forces (competitive) players to quickly adapt to it by changing the strike line, balls, amount of hook and power. I.e. Bowling has strategy and game management just like e.g disc golf.
My only ace is a story I tried to get into the offseason podcast. Used a disc I hadn’t thrown since blasting it into a tree, it’s normally crazy stable, it flipped on me and turned roller, caught 2 bounces before landing in the chains.
I know not everyone feels this way, but for me I absolutely love listening to Brodie talk about this sport! Sometimes he’s not perfect but he’s raw and real, feels like a real person and player!!
Maybe the difficulty of the course should be the difference in elite, elite+, and majors. The harder the course, the more prestige and the better the payouts. If you have easy courses, you have less separation, and a lower prize. On another difficulty note, I personally would like to see more switching up the course between rounds of the tourney. Changing pin placements, tee pads, OB lines etc. Makes players use their impromptu skills, more decision making, and creates variability for the audience and reasons to tune in to ALL rounds and not just the last one.
@@FoundationPodcasts for sure. Thanks for keeping on the grind. Sometimes TH-cam can be thankless so I just wanted to shout you guys out for putting out such solid content. Keep it going!
Trees in fairways makes the gaps smaller and the hole more difficult. It adds decision making and makes the game interesting, like bunkers in golf. Great stuff in my opinion. If the tree is blind it might be random but they rarely are, because you have practice rounds
in regards to Simons comment about bowling. The pro's typically average around 230-240 so they are striking a lot but not all the time. Over the course of the last like 5-10 years the USBC has made several changes to determine what a legal ball is and the PBA is constantly changing and developing's new oil patterns to make it tougher. I feel like we need to sometimes keep disc golf disc golf rather then compare it to other sports where in Simon's case he seems to know nothing about bowling. I feel we are often to quick to make comparisons without knowing all the information first.
Also to add bowling on the pro oil patterns is much different then if yall go open bowling. I average 216 in league on a house pattern but average 187 on sport league that uses pro level oil patterns. pro's don't strike a lot because its easy they strike a lot because they don't miss. Also there is alot of decision making in bowling as the oil depletes on the lanes you have to decide, do i move left, do i move right, do i switch balls. It is much more involoved then the non bowler would understand.
@@cvikingfishing462very well articulated! Makes me really miss my bowling days hearing the bowling talk haha. You are right those sport shots are very tough and really challenge your accuracy, it’s insane going from having tons of room to miss inside or outside to feeling like you are throwing on a piece of thread to get a strike. Honestly bowling is what set me up to be such a nerd for equipment in disc golf, my friend always calls me the caddy when we go out because I always suggest the right disc for him lol. Not sure why I kept rambling on, it was nice to see some real bowling talk and I wish you nothing but the best!
The point wasn't that bowling was easy for pros. The entire point that was being made was how things LOOK to outsiders watching. Most people who don't bowl don't even KNOW the lanes are oiled in certain patterns, or at all for that matter. How many non-bowlers watch pro bowling? Not many. But millions of people watch pro sports that they don't play like football, baseball, hockey, etc because it looks challenging. You can see it. The point that's being made is, disc golf in some ways falls into that category where unless you've tried it, you don't realize how hard it actually is, because these guys makes it look like it's easy to throw a disc 500 feet and hit putts from 60 feet away, and walk away shooting -15 down. So he's in favor of making things more challenging for players, without using gimmicks like artificial OB, silly stuff on greens, etc. and things that rely on luck. Just actually make it more challenging.
Biggest problem with a lot of current disc golf baskets is the chains don't sag at the bottom. When they're tight they have a lot of tension that tends to snap back and push the disc out of the basket when the disc hits the chains. It's one of the reasons the Mach X catches so well, maybe a little too well, but I don't think the basket should be actively spitting out discs.
Fantasy Disc Golf FTW! I get Calvin for my first round pick. Fantasy is more important than just betting on W/L point lines. Makes the players the spotlight and not just the big names. In football, I know more about every player than I ever would if I was just betting on my fav team. I’d also finally find the value in a DGPT subscription. They should host the Fantasy aspect teamed up with UDisc
My personal take on what could help with the super low scores is the fact that disc golf has the same concept as regular golf in the aspect of the two put on the green. On normal disc golf courses. A part 3 is anywhere from 200 ft. To 400 ft. And you are expected to reach that basket in one shot and have a two-put. In my opinion, if you reach that basket you should have one putt so maybe change the game to where we implement part two's, three's, and force instead of counting on a two-put on the green. Just a thought
The pro tour has such an easy opportunity to tackle the basket market. Build their own. Same basket size, Chain assembly goes from 26 inches wide to 23inches. Just to start. I would probably go out and buy a $400 "Pro Tour Target" "Putt with the pros"
I'm calling it pro's eventually will have a sticker under the disk that will give u all the results on this stuff with stats, also has a tracker so u will always know where ur disk went too never loose them unless in water 👍🏼
In casual or league rounds it is nuts to me how much faster 3-somes go than 4-somes. Huge fan of the idea of 3’s even if it means I see 2 fewer players sling each round on DGN.
I like Simon's take. The ball golf comparisons are so tired. How many people are shooting -16 at any tournament? Not hardly any. People act like this thing that has happened a few times ever is like the norm or something.
It happens all the time. Most pro tour tournaments and a lot of lower tier MPO events are won by players shooting double digits under par. There are often multiple players who go that low in the same event and the difference between them ends up being so minute. THAT is the problem. If you have to average -10 or better to win an event, it makes it much more likely that a random spit out, rollaway, or skip OB will be a major factor in the final results. That’s when the sport looks flukey. We need more courses with lots of stroke separation so the “flukey-ness” is not emphasized. There is no stroke separation when every player in the field is either getting birdie or taking par.
@jockofthebush it hardly ever happens. I understand the desire to use a number to add to a point, but point me out "all" these 16 under par scores happening at pro tournaments, and you'll see that it's not happening very often. Edit: I'm talking about one round, because I think that's what simon was saying. And if people aren't winning with a score of more than 16 under over the course of a three or four round tournament, I'm going to say that that isn't very fun to watch. I'm not sure what some people's obsession is with par, but birdies are more fun to watch.
@@turdferguson1945 You’re sidestepping the actual point though: Yes, birdies are fun to watch but so are bogeys and stroke separation in an event. Disc golf events are actually somewhat boring when it comes to who can be in contention. Most players in the field fall out of contention after the first day. Disc golf events will be even more entertaining when no lead is safe and players have to keep their focus up to the last hole.
@jockofthebush Simon's point is that right now the way we are getting stroke separation is because of the flukeyness with hole design. That's not a good way to go. If we are talking less separation or more flukeyness then ill go less separation. More exciting to watch 10 people in contention at the end than 2 players and it coming down to a rollaway out of bounds 10 feet from a basket.
So about the ace segment, I have one ACE on record in a sanctioned round that kissed a tree 100’ from the basket and redirected it right to the chains on a 310’ tunnel shot in the woods. I was told, an ace is a terrible shot gone great! had I not kissed the tree, it would have been deep, in the thick stuff.
On the jersey subject. Football fans can go to games where there team isn't playing and wear their favorite teams jersey. It's like someone going to a Metallica concert and wearing a Motorhead shirt. So if you can't go to your home teams stadium or game you still represent and wear a football jersey (of your team) as opposed to wearing a tool shirt to the football game. Or wearing your favorite football team jersey to a concert. Not sure if this is really how it is. But it's how I perceive it
Regional PBA bowlers bowl 300s often. They also have to average above 220 to win a tournament. It's all about consistency. Bowling lanes are different and lanes dry out.
I like the fairway hit stat as it is when it comes to par 3 and par 4 because it’s giving you a comprehensive view of how successful off the tee you were in a round, instead of needing to look at fairway hits and GIR for a course with a mix of par 3 and par 4s, but I agree par 5s should be only the tee shot for the reasons Brodie gave. Maybe the stat just needs a new name like “Tee Success Rate” TSR or “Drive Accuracy” or something like that.
I would find the tour more interesting if different events had different approaches to these questions. Some events have smaller baskets, some events have baskets with less chains or shallower baskets, some events are shooting -15 on average and every hole is a must get, some events are shooting even par. Rewarding just one kind of skillset and trying to standardize everything makes every event and every hole feel like the same.
Thank god we wont destroy the sport so that you can find it a little bit more interesting. I think wind reading 3d aiming and speed controll is enough of a skillset to have for putting. We dont want everyone having to buy 10 different baskets to practice on because thay are all different. Interesting does not equal good. A rule where inside circle putting has to be thrown by a monkey is interesting, doesn't mean it will help the sport in any way.
Calvin, im a halfrican with 3C hair texture. Im currently rocking the mullet. The beard helps with it. Give it a shot for a bit and grow a beard in the off season. 😉
Great interview Brodie with Calvin. For disc golf to ever equal traditional ball golf, and get the respect of the PGA and its members, look at 3 rules in ball golf that disc golf should follow. More rules should mirror ball golf rules. In ball golf, you must carry only a maximum of 14 clubs. In disc golf, a player can lug around as many as he or she desires. Set a limit that players can use during a round, especially in tournament play. Secondly, course designs are adding more and more OB on holes to test accuracy of tee shots(mostly for drive or approach shots, but OB around the greens). In ball golf, when you hit a ball out of bounds, it usually results in a double bogey, but never a par like you can score in disc golf. Going OB should be a major penalty and not just playing it as a scoring strategy. An example would be if you are just playing for par on a hole, and OB circles a small green, the player deliberately throws OB and gets a drop close to the basket to make a par. If you go OB in disc golf, there is way to much par makes from the scramble mentality in the game, I like USDGC's hole #17 for the OB rule in the game. If you go OB off the tee, on an approach shot, or any shot, the penalty should be just like in ball golf....a 2 shot penalty. Lastly, disc golf presently is primarily a recreational sport and to grow the sport, more and more players are being hooked on the game. When we see how many new top PDGA pro tour players are making their presence in tournaments, and the competition is getting tougher and tougher, that is a great sign of disc golf's progress. Lastly, for the game to really get the respect of not only the PGA, but from all other sports, the target basket is surely a major issue. You will never change the type of baskets used on courses everywhere. For at least the tournaments that are played on the PDGA Pro Tour(in the USA and in Europe), only only type basket should be used on that course, especially if it is a major tournament. Use the Innova Discatcher, Discraft Chainstar Pro, DGA Mach X, Prodigy T2, of MVP Black Hole HD Portal, Dynamic Discs Veteran, or Latitude 64 Elite for all events on the Disc Golf Pro Tour. It must be voted on by the PDGA and finally disc golfers and ball golfers can say, both our sports have the exact same course hole types to make a score on. Yes, you are going to frustrate several disc golf basket manufacturers, but the Disc Golf Pro Tour would get fewer negative feedback from viewers following our sport.....especially if it ever makes it on major TV coverage on NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX Sports coverage in the future. My message summary: follow traditional ball golf much more closer, and the money and sponsors will be attracted to the sport more effectively, and faster. I am a former 9 handicap ball golfer and a PDGA member since 1993. I am a lifelong promoter of the game. I love to promote the sport and appreciate your efforts with these You Tube videos. It would be an honor to have top pros come to my ace run course 40 + tee options( 9 permanent baskets & 5 portables positioned) around my home in Uncasville, CT that I established in 1996. Communication is everything and Brodie you are doing a super job of that always!👍Sincerely, Bill M., PDGA member #7378, NEFA member #94....Happy Thanksgiving !😋
I think mando's should only be for safety...let players play the course their way. Also we should get techy and get some drones holding nets to to have height mandos. Lets get in the future!
I think the size of the final target is one reason golf is harder than disc golf. If you're 15 feet away from a 4-1/4" diameter hole with a 1.68" diameter ball, it's a lot harder to make that than an 8" disc going into a 66 cm diameter (26") basket. Good putting PDGA pros make 90%+ from circle's edge, but that same length putt on the PGA Tour probably only gets made 10-15% of the time or less.
People need to stop trying to think the game needs to be the same as golf when it can be better than golf. I do agree we don't need fake difficulty... Like one of the courses around here just has a line of trees with small gaps 50ft in across of the T Pad. It's just a throw a disc you don't mind smashing and pray it gets through. It's dumb. Courses can be challenging by having sharp direction changes requiring you hit a landing zone to set up for the next drive. Or requiring very specific lines to get down the fairway. If they wanna make the basket a smaller target but also designed to reduce spit outs, that'd be worth it sure... But you also need to think, more difficult putting means more lay ups instead of running the basket, since our frisbees will glady fly 20 feet past the basket on a missed putt vs the few inches a golf ball might run past.
Discgolf scores will always be kow,when pros are throwing mids and putters into par 4's, from 275'--350' out , guaranteeing birdies everytime ,,until drivers are being thrown into par 4's and 5's,for the second shots, nothing will change
I don’t care what the final score is in a round, what I care about is that the scoring is close. I hate watching a tournament when somebody has run aways and has an 9 stroke lead going into the final round. I want to watch a close race, 5-10 guys that have a chance at winning. So it doesn’t matter if the scores are higher or lower what matters is that there isn’t too much scoring separation, and that players have the opportunity to score and overtake someone for the lead. Sports are all about creating a story, nobody likes the blowout story, it’s only fun to watch for the first half.
i believe the disk golf need to be harder to keep the challenge, i have played for 27weeks and i hav just played my first 18basket round 1 under par, on a brand new professional designed course, 8some say it's easy to be an inclusive course, but less than half a year of playing is just to fast to be in par or under) i think that baskets should be like the training "pro baskets" that would make putting more like golf (where i come from) the second i get to -9 on 18 baskets i can't se where i can progress within reason by training... fairways that get wider the further out would make sense to reward longer throwing players?? (this point I'm not certain about) course design need to ensure that you are forced to use more different disk's and make sure you struggle if your you only have a forehand or backhand, and if you only throw basic throws... in my opinion what makes a sport great is that you have to be well rounded in all aspects of the game.... skill has to be rewarded! AND SKILL HAS TO BE VISIBLE INSTANTLY for any non player that watch their first TV broadcast. one of my favorite examples is formula1, where many and team strategy have made it boring for me to watch, the last great race i saw was monaco in the rain where Schumacher outran everybody by pure skill in driving in pouring rain.... (but who know, maybe Ferrari had cheat mode enabled on with traction control 🤪(traction control was not in the cares at that time) but my point is skill has to be visible.... and required....
Brodie is the Pat McAfee of disc golf. He's been at the pinnacle of a sport and moved over here. I think his game has progressed nicely. He is playing at the highest level plus the amount of content he puts out😅
Jesus how often do we need people in the comments explaining that bowling has a ton of strategy before that point gets through 😂🤦🏻♂️. Also, televised tournaments often have colored oil now so the viewer can see the pattern as well as the change as it breaks down. Bowling fans do understand this and the announcers do a good job of explaining it too.
I wore a Nolan Ryan Astros jersey to a local triple A baseball game so I’m that guy but I feel like minor league games are different especially when I’m wearing a hall of famers jersey
@@FoundationPodcasts I think especially on the media side of disc golf that some think they are entitled to stuff for free. Like the people who complain about having to pay for DGN or the guy in the comments complaining about having to pay $2 to join membership to get in the live chat. Stuff costs money. Peoples time isn't free. At some point people have to get paid. People talk about 'growing the sport' but then don't seem to want to make investments into the sport. This podcast isn't going to grow without some monetary support. Live coverage isn't going to get better without monetary support. Also, from the standpoint of a company looking to invest in the media side of disc golf. What are they going think when they do some research and see half the comments are people complaining about having to pay? I don't see many companies investing not knowing if the fanbase is going to be supportive or not.
Typically the complaints about having to pay are also complaints about the quality of what they would be paying for. Most consumers evaluate their purchases based on a relative ratio of cost and return. If the quality is poor enough, people will feel inclined to complain about the associated cost, since the aforementioned ratio is perceived (in this case, rightly) as out of balance
@@ellrock41 I'm well aware of the complaints about quality of DGN. I have subscribed to them for several years now and trust me I have my own list of complaints about DGN but they've definitely improved. It was better this year than in years past. The thing is though there are justified complaints and then there are people complaining about things that nobody can control. I think especially speaking more recently that a fair bit of the criticisms are blown out of proportion because of the past.
The guy with the disc did the same thing others do. If you lost this 'thing' please describe it. I think the guy thought he would say it's a 2016 Nate Sexton Firebird and the guy would say it's his regardless since it has a lot of value. The thing I don't get is the phone number is on it. If he told the guy what disc it was the guy he called could say "oh, yeah, I sold that disc last year to this guy" or something.
What makes disc golf great is how easy and accessible it is to get into. The cost of entry is low and frankly the game isn’t crazy difficult. I started in June and I am already able to birdie or par on every hole in my area. Not saying I do every time. Realistically in the professional tour people just want to see insane and interesting throws. Personally a wide open 1000 foot drive with artificial ob isn’t interesting to me. A 400 ft hole down a corridor with thick brush and trees and no ob so they have to throw it from the rough if it goes off to the side is more interesting. Going out of bounds and then throwing from a drop zone isn’t really all that exciting
Lost disc story- I found a disc, text the number on the back, the guy responded saying his is out of town and asked me to hold on to it. I said sure let me know when you are back and I will find a way to get it back to you. The guy texted me a week later asking for my address so he could come get it. I didn't want some random guy coming to my house. So I went to the park left it under a shed and sent him a picture of where it was. He was upset because he thought someone would find it before he got it back. In what world do you ask for a random persons address?!?
Putting does not need to be harder. Only with the top elite pros in calm conditions does it seem a bit much. Other than that, no one needs to see more misses. Especially in FPO. I'm a huge FPO fan but the putting other than a couple people is pretty rough. If anything, FPO needs bigger baskets that catch even better. It would encourage more runs and limit the crazy number of short misses at even the top level. Ohn is an exception and a couple other players but I'd love to see an actual top 25 FPO 22 foot putt percentage. My guess is it's pretty bad. But even most of the touring MPO field doesn't need tougher putts.
Brodie your point at 21 minutes is totally illustrated by Calvins highly replayed ace where he tried the shot on jomez and went into the trees and they said "thats not the line for this" and Calvin said, well see tomorrow... his strategy was different, he saw a line they didn't and when it paid off it was pretty gangster. Yer not going to see that in darts or bowling... or corn hole
Changing the baskets will never happen. Theres way too many in the ground to make them all obsolete. Climos point about it being tougher to putt on old style baskets is on point though.
I think there needs to be a balance. You don't want every course to have guys shooting 17 under a round, but you also don't want courses where the contenders are shooting even. Fpo is guilty of that, and it's not always a good product to watch. Also you want enough wiggle room where people can make comebacks. If people are shooting regularly 15 down. You can very well be out of the tournament in 3 holes. And that's not fun
IF you have a PERFECT round as a pro you should end up with 18 under par. Then I'm talking you hit every shot and every putt. Birdie should always be avalible on every hole. And not saying it should be "easy" as they say. More saying 30% of the field should be able to birdie a hole
A smaller basket is possibly the best move for disc golf. but i dont think we will ever see it, it has been years of hot takes/podcasts/interviews about a smaller basket but not one single pro player, manufacturer or TH-camr has actually tested one. (by testing I mean actually playing a round of disc golf with it)
Ball golf is actually ball golf though. They hit balls. I don't think we throw Frisbees. This could be debated on. You'd have to carefully pick apart the definition of a Frisbee. But to me, we throw discs. So it's disc golf.
I don’t think changing the targets is really the solution. I think disc golf forced itself into this pickle where they have allowed different targets and different designs, so now the players, when a spit out happens, can maybe blame the target a little bit, and some get angry, and in general, I don’t enjoy watching that. I don’t think spit outs and chain outs makes for a more entertaining experience. I think the pro tour needs to set a standardized basket, and I just want better course design and green design. I think in disc golf it could be a lot about green access. Island holes are fun because they’re fair, there’s usually a bail out zone where you can play it safe and have a difficult putt, and you can make the green really difficult to access and land on in the area of the circle.
Agreed! I think the dgpt baskets should be the same down to the same kind of metal used. I cant think of a sport where the equipment you score on will affect the result of your shot to this extent withouth you having any controll over it. Meanwhile the only strict standard for a basket is measurment even though the material it's made out of is almost as important.
1:42 Show Preview
8:50 Ken Climo Interview on DGN
17:01 Simon's Hot Take
26:26 Player Movement / Rumors
29:51 2023 UDisc Stats
50:49 Brodie Challenges Amateur to a $1000 Match
56:18 This Week in Foundation Disc Golf
1:03:00 Pace of Play Golf Article
1:12:45 Lost Disc Etiquette
1:15:31 Sporcle
1:29:33 Listener Questions
1:47:06 Housekeeping
Simon is right, disc golf is at a smaller distance scale than golf with a much larger target. You are never going to make the scores comparable to golf without making the holes really challenging for no reason or outright changing the pars. Embrace what it is. He’s not saying make it as easy as possible, he’s saying embrace that it is easier than golf and a different sport
I agree it should be embraced for its difference. But I want to share that the “bigger target, smaller distance” comparison can be misleading because the lack of clubs and disc vs. ball travel.
Golf technology helps all get some distance, and despite the hole being tiny, putting greens are consistent and roll reliably - although the basket is big, it is always raised, so throwing it in means it is in the wind and come-backers are always going to be somewhat substantial
A sport is only as easy as the competition allows it to be. You're not competing against yourself. That is why disc golf is easier than golf.
If you swapped the pool of players, disc golf would be considered a lot harder.
@@SiggeSolarixtell me exactly how you aren’t competing with yourself in disc golf? Who else besides yourself do you have to blame for bad shots or missing puts? Who else is throwing your shots for you? It’s quite literally self competition in order to play well, the same as it is with any sport. The truth is there are aspects of each sport that are harder than the other, they are different sports even though they are played similar and share a name partially
@@ThugLifeBitches1 How are you winning a tournament?
By playing better than someone else..?
You cannot compete with yourself, because there are no competition to sign up for where throwing a lower score than your previous self is rewarded.
@@ThugLifeBitches1 Progress, hitting new personal bests, improving your game is fun and rewarding, but you won't win any championships doing that by itself. If you are competing in a sport, you are playing to win. And to win, you have to play better than the OTHER PLAYERS..
I think what Jerm was trying to say is, he wants to prevent the spit outs. Like what Ken was referring to, so few chains that it the disc hits the pole and comes back out, or a basket so shallow that the disc flops out of it, those examples aren’t rewarding accuracy.
Climo is saying it should reward accuracy AND touch. He compared it to putting in golf, if you are 10 ft from the hole and you hit the ball with 30 ft worth of speed, it's going to hit the cup and bounce out even if you are dead center. You've got to have the right aim AND the right amount of power, wear contrast with current disc golf baskets, you can be 30 ft away and chuck it as hard as you want and if your aim is good it's still going in. It doesn't require touch.
I've played on baskets with one set of chains. They do less catching and more swinging wildly and throwing your disc out of the target. It's almost a deterrent rather than a spot to aim for.
Love this podcast length.. Perfect!
Glad you enjoy it!
When someone calls me when they find my discs, I usually tell them to keep it. Unless it’s the same day or very recently lost. It feels good to know someone is excited to find a new disc for their bag! I put my name and number on all of my discs. On the flip side, It feels great to reunite other disc golfers with discs I find. Overall, everyone should try and reunite owners with discs if their phone numbers are on the discs. Great discussions here, keep up the good work! Jason
I love the music waiting for the pod to start! It is such good vibes!!!
Glad you enjoy it!
I liked the segment on the guy that challenged you. lol It should be a fun time. lol I hope you play him. lol Can't wait. lol
I think Simon’s point is that he just wants well thought out course design and we just need to accept that because putting is relatively easy, there will be a few players that shoot a ridiculous round every time. It’s just the nature of the sport that hitting your lines almost guarantees a birdie.
Brodie, the comment about pros "sucking" reminds me of Brian Scalabrine. Big goofy ginger, used to play for the celtics. Some local prospect basically called him out, said he sucked, and challenged him to a game of 1v1. Scal had the best answer, "I'm closer to Lebron than you are to me". They ended up playing and Scal shut the kid down entirely.
The most exciting thing to see in disc golf is C2 and C2+ makes. Go back and watch coverage. That is when you hear the crowd roar. Why would you want to take that away?
Watched live, but thought of this after.. I agree that scoring needs to more fair in the disc golf world, but in my am3 opinion, changing target size would really alienate the AM side from the pro side. For example 100% of disc golf coarses would become outdated unless clubs and parks officials dropped thousands to replace outdated baskets. This would make it extremely hard for new players to break their ways into the pro ranks and help the tour expand. Secondly making the target smaller would almost eliminate the Ace and thus get rid of disc golfs "Home Run". Yes harder putting might lower scores and better seperate at the highest levels, but as a main stream sports fan in the US, I've never seen an 80ft putt for par on SCtop10; but a 250+ft throw in has made it countless times. Fan's aren't tuning in to watch highly skilled pros play par golf. Fans want to see ace runs and pros playing extremely well on coarses they may struggle immensely on themselves. I think changing the targets may be a long term solution, but could significantly impact disc golf in a negative way if it happens to quickly or the wrong way.
This was very well spoken. The home run analogy was a great piece in what you said because it highlights a certain point, it’s something that makes your heart skip a beat almost because of how exciting it is to witness that live or on tv. That excitement is something that helps viewership, viewership may seem trivial but that’s how you keep getting bigger sponsors and bigger payouts for the players which will in return make the sport more lucrative. I don’t personally see a need to change the scoring system at all, if a guy shoots -18 that’s an incredible feat and again exciting the entire way to witness, it’s not like with high scoring that you still don’t have to play well and it still generates a healthy competitive atmosphere. Another good point was the infrastructure change of having to redo baskets all over the world, these parks are often taken care of by the city’s parks department and that is all taxpayer funded and that kind of infrastructure change would probably be a very slow process and costly for honestly no reason
They would need to reduce the target size while increasing it's ability to catch and prevent spit outs. That would be fair, and difficult to accomplish.
Otherwise you'd be watching more pros taking layups instead of running the target. A 50ft putt can miss n fly 30ft in the other direction.
A 50ft putt in golf could go no more than a couple inches or a few feet past the hole.
Easier to get it in, but punished harder for missing.
I like your subjects and your straightforward analysis. I would only suggest that when you have guests on that are less chatty than you, you should give them a bit more time to respond. I noticed a few times when Calvin was trying to speak and you jumped on top of him. Calvin is someone who's not going to compete with someone trying to talk over him.
As the lanes break down in bowling of course you have to make decisions depending on how long or short the pattern is
Yes, but this is nothing the viewer can really see or appreciate. For a sport to scale it needs to LOOK the part aswell
@IzobizHD No argument here... my only point is the patterns used for bowling are easily looked up as well as how much oil and how long that pattern is on the lane .... so in ways in kinda like looking at a disc golf sign except with disc golf the course changes due to weather and course maintenance.... bowling is alot more of a controlled environment
@@bray191986controlled environment, i.e easier
That game was sick
18:01 @brodiesmith bowling does change its sport every year, making certain types of balls illegal for pba tournaments, on tour they use a different type of oil on the lanes and they keep making oil patterns harder and harder
Know why? Because bowling has no innate variables so they have to introduce them. Disc golf has automatic variables in wind, elevation, ground play, water, etc. -18 is harder than a 300
@@Discsforbaskets variables? 1:lane topography 2: pin setters 3: lane transition, unlike disc golf lines where anyone can use a gap, when you bowl, rolling your ball on the same area as your opponents the ball will hook earlier because previous shots have moved oil and soaked up oil meaning each shot plays differently
Whereas in disc golf you have the ever-changing wind that affects your disc selection, angles and power etc, in bowling the constant wearing down of oil patterns forces (competitive) players to quickly adapt to it by changing the strike line, balls, amount of hook and power. I.e. Bowling has strategy and game management just like e.g disc golf.
Bowling a 300 is easier than shooting 18 under. I'll leave it at that.
My only ace is a story I tried to get into the offseason podcast. Used a disc I hadn’t thrown since blasting it into a tree, it’s normally crazy stable, it flipped on me and turned roller, caught 2 bounces before landing in the chains.
I know not everyone feels this way, but for me I absolutely love listening to Brodie talk about this sport! Sometimes he’s not perfect but he’s raw and real, feels like a real person and player!!
Maybe the difficulty of the course should be the difference in elite, elite+, and majors. The harder the course, the more prestige and the better the payouts. If you have easy courses, you have less separation, and a lower prize.
On another difficulty note, I personally would like to see more switching up the course between rounds of the tourney. Changing pin placements, tee pads, OB lines etc. Makes players use their impromptu skills, more decision making, and creates variability for the audience and reasons to tune in to ALL rounds and not just the last one.
FYI - Eagle blew out his knee as a teenager throwing on snow/ice.
Killing it brodie. Thank you as always 🤙🤘
Thanks for listening
@@FoundationPodcasts for sure. Thanks for keeping on the grind. Sometimes TH-cam can be thankless so I just wanted to shout you guys out for putting out such solid content. Keep it going!
Sporkle quiz segment was fun. Shouldn’t use chat tho
Trees in fairways makes the gaps smaller and the hole more difficult. It adds decision making and makes the game interesting, like bunkers in golf. Great stuff in my opinion.
If the tree is blind it might be random but they rarely are, because you have practice rounds
in regards to Simons comment about bowling. The pro's typically average around 230-240 so they are striking a lot but not all the time. Over the course of the last like 5-10 years the USBC has made several changes to determine what a legal ball is and the PBA is constantly changing and developing's new oil patterns to make it tougher. I feel like we need to sometimes keep disc golf disc golf rather then compare it to other sports where in Simon's case he seems to know nothing about bowling. I feel we are often to quick to make comparisons without knowing all the information first.
Also to add bowling on the pro oil patterns is much different then if yall go open bowling. I average 216 in league on a house pattern but average 187 on sport league that uses pro level oil patterns. pro's don't strike a lot because its easy they strike a lot because they don't miss. Also there is alot of decision making in bowling as the oil depletes on the lanes you have to decide, do i move left, do i move right, do i switch balls. It is much more involoved then the non bowler would understand.
Lanes change, patterns change due to the oil pushed around
@@garrettselberg8272 exactly
@@cvikingfishing462very well articulated! Makes me really miss my bowling days hearing the bowling talk haha. You are right those sport shots are very tough and really challenge your accuracy, it’s insane going from having tons of room to miss inside or outside to feeling like you are throwing on a piece of thread to get a strike. Honestly bowling is what set me up to be such a nerd for equipment in disc golf, my friend always calls me the caddy when we go out because I always suggest the right disc for him lol. Not sure why I kept rambling on, it was nice to see some real bowling talk and I wish you nothing but the best!
The point wasn't that bowling was easy for pros. The entire point that was being made was how things LOOK to outsiders watching. Most people who don't bowl don't even KNOW the lanes are oiled in certain patterns, or at all for that matter. How many non-bowlers watch pro bowling? Not many. But millions of people watch pro sports that they don't play like football, baseball, hockey, etc because it looks challenging. You can see it. The point that's being made is, disc golf in some ways falls into that category where unless you've tried it, you don't realize how hard it actually is, because these guys makes it look like it's easy to throw a disc 500 feet and hit putts from 60 feet away, and walk away shooting -15 down. So he's in favor of making things more challenging for players, without using gimmicks like artificial OB, silly stuff on greens, etc. and things that rely on luck. Just actually make it more challenging.
Biggest problem with a lot of current disc golf baskets is the chains don't sag at the bottom. When they're tight they have a lot of tension that tends to snap back and push the disc out of the basket when the disc hits the chains. It's one of the reasons the Mach X catches so well, maybe a little too well, but I don't think the basket should be actively spitting out discs.
damn! as usual late to the party, i'll have to watch this while i eat dinner.
Fantasy Disc Golf FTW! I get Calvin for my first round pick.
Fantasy is more important than just betting on W/L point lines. Makes the players the spotlight and not just the big names. In football, I know more about every player than I ever would if I was just betting on my fav team.
I’d also finally find the value in a DGPT subscription. They should host the Fantasy aspect teamed up with UDisc
Brodie, I call you out! Put your waffles where your mouth is! Branson Trails, Branson MO. Loser buys breakfast. Let's gooo! 😎
My personal take on what could help with the super low scores is the fact that disc golf has the same concept as regular golf in the aspect of the two put on the green. On normal disc golf courses. A part 3 is anywhere from 200 ft. To 400 ft. And you are expected to reach that basket in one shot and have a two-put. In my opinion, if you reach that basket you should have one putt so maybe change the game to where we implement part two's, three's, and force instead of counting on a two-put on the green. Just a thought
I am sure there's a much better way to word it, but hopefully y'all understand the point behind my initial comment
I don't quite get what you're saying and I'm keen to understand (if you can be bothered)
The pro tour has such an easy opportunity to tackle the basket market. Build their own. Same basket size, Chain assembly goes from 26 inches wide to 23inches. Just to start. I would probably go out and buy a $400 "Pro Tour Target" "Putt with the pros"
I'm calling it pro's eventually will have a sticker under the disk that will give u all the results on this stuff with stats, also has a tracker so u will always know where ur disk went too never loose them unless in water 👍🏼
Look up TechDisc. Not a locator but it gathers data.
The stat you need with the C1x putting is how many of those putts were for Eagle, Birdie, and Par
In casual or league rounds it is nuts to me how much faster 3-somes go than 4-somes. Huge fan of the idea of 3’s even if it means I see 2 fewer players sling each round on DGN.
I honestly love how Brodie goes right at those shit-talkers like seemingly nobody else in disc golf 🤣
Yeah the problem is he’s incentivising the jerks. There’s a reason most creators ignore the trolls.
I like Simon's take. The ball golf comparisons are so tired. How many people are shooting -16 at any tournament? Not hardly any. People act like this thing that has happened a few times ever is like the norm or something.
It happens all the time. Most pro tour tournaments and a lot of lower tier MPO events are won by players shooting double digits under par. There are often multiple players who go that low in the same event and the difference between them ends up being so minute. THAT is the problem. If you have to average -10 or better to win an event, it makes it much more likely that a random spit out, rollaway, or skip OB will be a major factor in the final results. That’s when the sport looks flukey. We need more courses with lots of stroke separation so the “flukey-ness” is not emphasized. There is no stroke separation when every player in the field is either getting birdie or taking par.
@jockofthebush it hardly ever happens. I understand the desire to use a number to add to a point, but point me out "all" these 16 under par scores happening at pro tournaments, and you'll see that it's not happening very often. Edit: I'm talking about one round, because I think that's what simon was saying. And if people aren't winning with a score of more than 16 under over the course of a three or four round tournament, I'm going to say that that isn't very fun to watch. I'm not sure what some people's obsession is with par, but birdies are more fun to watch.
@@turdferguson1945 You’re sidestepping the actual point though: Yes, birdies are fun to watch but so are bogeys and stroke separation in an event. Disc golf events are actually somewhat boring when it comes to who can be in contention. Most players in the field fall out of contention after the first day. Disc golf events will be even more entertaining when no lead is safe and players have to keep their focus up to the last hole.
@jockofthebush Simon's point is that right now the way we are getting stroke separation is because of the flukeyness with hole design. That's not a good way to go. If we are talking less separation or more flukeyness then ill go less separation. More exciting to watch 10 people in contention at the end than 2 players and it coming down to a rollaway out of bounds 10 feet from a basket.
So about the ace segment, I have one ACE on record in a sanctioned round that kissed a tree 100’ from the basket and redirected it right to the chains on a 310’ tunnel shot in the woods. I was told, an ace is a terrible shot gone great! had I not kissed the tree, it would have been deep, in the thick stuff.
On the jersey subject. Football fans can go to games where there team isn't playing and wear their favorite teams jersey. It's like someone going to a Metallica concert and wearing a Motorhead shirt. So if you can't go to your home teams stadium or game you still represent and wear a football jersey (of your team) as opposed to wearing a tool shirt to the football game. Or wearing your favorite football team jersey to a concert.
Not sure if this is really how it is. But it's how I perceive it
I didn’t think of it that way because music is subjective whereas team sports are arguably objective , so I’m not sure how the two correlate
Regional PBA bowlers bowl 300s often. They also have to average above 220 to win a tournament. It's all about consistency. Bowling lanes are different and lanes dry out.
In PBA tournaments they also move lanes every round against someone, so in disc golf compare it to the wind
I've never had a 15ft tap in. My knees wobble at about 10
Hey. Where’s that disc dropping at again?
brodiesmith.discraft.com
I like the fairway hit stat as it is when it comes to par 3 and par 4 because it’s giving you a comprehensive view of how successful off the tee you were in a round, instead of needing to look at fairway hits and GIR for a course with a mix of par 3 and par 4s, but I agree par 5s should be only the tee shot for the reasons Brodie gave. Maybe the stat just needs a new name like “Tee Success Rate” TSR or “Drive Accuracy” or something like that.
We really need disc golf gambling back. I was so much more engaged when I could bet.
A lot of people are
Save your money
I would find the tour more interesting if different events had different approaches to these questions. Some events have smaller baskets, some events have baskets with less chains or shallower baskets, some events are shooting -15 on average and every hole is a must get, some events are shooting even par. Rewarding just one kind of skillset and trying to standardize everything makes every event and every hole feel like the same.
Thank god we wont destroy the sport so that you can find it a little bit more interesting. I think wind reading 3d aiming and speed controll is enough of a skillset to have for putting. We dont want everyone having to buy 10 different baskets to practice on because thay are all different. Interesting does not equal good. A rule where inside circle putting has to be thrown by a monkey is interesting, doesn't mean it will help the sport in any way.
The "frisbee" and ball golf difference, is that these discs aren't frisbees, but you do play ball golf with a ball.
Marksman basket??
Highlights of everyone ALMOST making putts would be super sick!
Calvin, im a halfrican with 3C hair texture. Im currently rocking the mullet. The beard helps with it. Give it a shot for a bit and grow a beard in the off season. 😉
Don't change baskets, it would invalidate all the public courses out there and be tough on regular people
That’s one of my discing friends lmfao
Great interview Brodie with Calvin. For disc golf to ever equal traditional ball golf, and get the respect of the PGA and its members, look at 3 rules in ball golf that disc golf should follow. More rules should mirror ball golf rules. In ball golf, you must carry only a maximum of 14 clubs. In disc golf, a player can lug around as many as he or she desires. Set a limit that players can use during a round, especially in tournament play. Secondly, course designs are adding more and more OB on holes to test accuracy of tee shots(mostly for drive or approach shots, but OB around the greens). In ball golf, when you hit a ball out of bounds, it usually results in a double bogey, but never a par like you can score in disc golf. Going OB should be a major penalty and not just playing it as a scoring strategy. An example would be if you are just playing for par on a hole, and OB circles a small green, the player deliberately throws OB and gets a drop close to the basket to make a par. If you go OB in disc golf, there is way to much par makes from the scramble mentality in the game, I like USDGC's hole #17 for the OB rule in the game. If you go OB off the tee, on an approach shot, or any shot, the penalty should be just like in ball golf....a 2 shot penalty. Lastly, disc golf presently is primarily a recreational sport and to grow the sport, more and more players are being hooked on the game. When we see how many new top PDGA pro tour players are making their presence in tournaments, and the competition is getting tougher and tougher, that is a great sign of disc golf's progress. Lastly, for the game to really get the respect of not only the PGA, but from all other sports, the target basket is surely a major issue. You will never change the type of baskets used on courses everywhere. For at least the tournaments that are played on the PDGA Pro Tour(in the USA and in Europe), only only type basket should be used on that course, especially if it is a major tournament. Use the Innova Discatcher, Discraft Chainstar Pro, DGA Mach X, Prodigy T2, of MVP Black Hole HD Portal, Dynamic Discs Veteran, or Latitude 64 Elite for all events on the Disc Golf Pro Tour. It must be voted on by the PDGA and finally disc golfers and ball golfers can say, both our sports have the exact same course hole types to make a score on. Yes, you are going to frustrate several disc golf basket manufacturers, but the Disc Golf Pro Tour would get fewer negative feedback from viewers following our sport.....especially if it ever makes it on major TV coverage on NBC, ABC, CBS, FOX Sports coverage in the future. My message summary: follow traditional ball golf much more closer, and the money and sponsors will be attracted to the sport more effectively, and faster. I am a former 9 handicap ball golfer and a PDGA member since 1993. I am a lifelong promoter of the game. I love to promote the sport and appreciate your efforts with these You Tube videos. It would be an honor to have top pros come to my ace run course 40 + tee options( 9 permanent baskets & 5 portables positioned) around my home in Uncasville, CT that I established in 1996. Communication is everything and Brodie you are doing a super job of that always!👍Sincerely, Bill M., PDGA member #7378, NEFA member #94....Happy Thanksgiving !😋
Disc golf does NOT need the same rules as golf. It is a different sport. Golf is the most boring thing on the planet. All your takes are 💩
Changing basket will take away aggressive throws from two hundred or more
Never been to a disc golf wedding but I’ve been to an ultimate frisbee wedding and those are interesting sometimes. I think Brodie can relate to that
Only been to a couple
Calvin should be the man,helping get Champ,set up this off season ,with the social media hook ups, technology wise !!!
I stand with Simon.
I think mando's should only be for safety...let players play the course their way. Also we should get techy and get some drones holding nets to to have height mandos. Lets get in the future!
I think the size of the final target is one reason golf is harder than disc golf. If you're 15 feet away from a 4-1/4" diameter hole with a 1.68" diameter ball, it's a lot harder to make that than an 8" disc going into a 66 cm diameter (26") basket. Good putting PDGA pros make 90%+ from circle's edge, but that same length putt on the PGA Tour probably only gets made 10-15% of the time or less.
I like the sporacle segment
No redirect but must say, seeing calvin ledgstone after bridge hole.. 10, 450ft ace. Insane.
People need to stop trying to think the game needs to be the same as golf when it can be better than golf.
I do agree we don't need fake difficulty... Like one of the courses around here just has a line of trees with small gaps 50ft in across of the T Pad. It's just a throw a disc you don't mind smashing and pray it gets through. It's dumb.
Courses can be challenging by having sharp direction changes requiring you hit a landing zone to set up for the next drive. Or requiring very specific lines to get down the fairway.
If they wanna make the basket a smaller target but also designed to reduce spit outs, that'd be worth it sure... But you also need to think, more difficult putting means more lay ups instead of running the basket, since our frisbees will glady fly 20 feet past the basket on a missed putt vs the few inches a golf ball might run past.
Discgolf scores will always be kow,when pros are throwing mids and putters into par 4's, from 275'--350' out , guaranteeing birdies everytime ,,until drivers are being thrown into par 4's and 5's,for the second shots, nothing will change
I don’t care what the final score is in a round, what I care about is that the scoring is close. I hate watching a tournament when somebody has run aways and has an 9 stroke lead going into the final round. I want to watch a close race, 5-10 guys that have a chance at winning. So it doesn’t matter if the scores are higher or lower what matters is that there isn’t too much scoring separation, and that players have the opportunity to score and overtake someone for the lead. Sports are all about creating a story, nobody likes the blowout story, it’s only fun to watch for the first half.
What was even crazier about konner was that he double down on his bet and pulled that off
i believe the disk golf need to be harder to keep the challenge, i have played for 27weeks and i hav just played my first 18basket round 1 under par, on a brand new professional designed course, 8some say it's easy to be an inclusive course, but less than half a year of playing is just to fast to be in par or under) i think that baskets should be like the training "pro baskets" that would make putting more like golf (where i come from) the second i get to -9 on 18 baskets i can't se where i can progress within reason by training...
fairways that get wider the further out would make sense to reward longer throwing players?? (this point I'm not certain about)
course design need to ensure that you are forced to use more different disk's and make sure you struggle if your you only have a forehand or backhand, and if you only throw basic throws... in my opinion what makes a sport great is that you have to be well rounded in all aspects of the game.... skill has to be rewarded! AND SKILL HAS TO BE VISIBLE INSTANTLY for any non player that watch their first TV broadcast.
one of my favorite examples is formula1, where many and team strategy have made it boring for me to watch, the last great race i saw was monaco in the rain where Schumacher outran everybody by pure skill in driving in pouring rain.... (but who know, maybe Ferrari had cheat mode enabled on with traction control 🤪(traction control was not in the cares at that time) but my point is skill has to be visible.... and required....
Simons a genius, his take is the way. Who cares if disc golf has lower scores.
Trash panda did a cool video on the “right size” basket. It’s 2 discs width, as opposed to 2 ultimate sized discs.
Let’s go ahead and call the “did I ever tell you about the time?” thing the “Big Jerm” 😂
Heck yeah, Kelseys famous, lookin good! Colts gonna put the workin on the Raiders though when they come to Naptown.
Tour events should just use the precision baskets
Brodie is the Pat McAfee of disc golf. He's been at the pinnacle of a sport and moved over here. I think his game has progressed nicely. He is playing at the highest level plus the amount of content he puts out😅
Jesus how often do we need people in the comments explaining that bowling has a ton of strategy before that point gets through 😂🤦🏻♂️. Also, televised tournaments often have colored oil now so the viewer can see the pattern as well as the change as it breaks down. Bowling fans do understand this and the announcers do a good job of explaining it too.
I wore a Nolan Ryan Astros jersey to a local triple A baseball game so I’m that guy but I feel like minor league games are different especially when I’m wearing a hall of famers jersey
Does it drive anyone else crazy that some disc golfers seem to equate 'growing the sport' with getting stuff for free?
Elaborate a little
@@FoundationPodcasts I think especially on the media side of disc golf that some think they are entitled to stuff for free. Like the people who complain about having to pay for DGN or the guy in the comments complaining about having to pay $2 to join membership to get in the live chat. Stuff costs money. Peoples time isn't free. At some point people have to get paid. People talk about 'growing the sport' but then don't seem to want to make investments into the sport. This podcast isn't going to grow without some monetary support. Live coverage isn't going to get better without monetary support.
Also, from the standpoint of a company looking to invest in the media side of disc golf. What are they going think when they do some research and see half the comments are people complaining about having to pay? I don't see many companies investing not knowing if the fanbase is going to be supportive or not.
Typically the complaints about having to pay are also complaints about the quality of what they would be paying for. Most consumers evaluate their purchases based on a relative ratio of cost and return. If the quality is poor enough, people will feel inclined to complain about the associated cost, since the aforementioned ratio is perceived (in this case, rightly) as out of balance
@@ellrock41 I'm well aware of the complaints about quality of DGN. I have subscribed to them for several years now and trust me I have my own list of complaints about DGN but they've definitely improved. It was better this year than in years past. The thing is though there are justified complaints and then there are people complaining about things that nobody can control. I think especially speaking more recently that a fair bit of the criticisms are blown out of proportion because of the past.
Par 3 should be tee to green stat
Nice disc
@19:50 If you hit that fairway tree, it wasn't really a good shot to begin with, was it? Not exactly random.
Only been playing a couple of months. Baskets should be smaller.
Darts has evolved at. The wires on the board are razor thin and no staples now so fewer bounce outs.
Love that. The bounce outs were the worst.
The guy with the disc did the same thing others do. If you lost this 'thing' please describe it. I think the guy thought he would say it's a 2016 Nate Sexton Firebird and the guy would say it's his regardless since it has a lot of value. The thing I don't get is the phone number is on it. If he told the guy what disc it was the guy he called could say "oh, yeah, I sold that disc last year to this guy" or something.
Give the pros electric scooters. Should speed things up.
I love “a chicken in the race”
What makes disc golf great is how easy and accessible it is to get into. The cost of entry is low and frankly the game isn’t crazy difficult. I started in June and I am already able to birdie or par on every hole in my area. Not saying I do every time.
Realistically in the professional tour people just want to see insane and interesting throws. Personally a wide open 1000 foot drive with artificial ob isn’t interesting to me. A 400 ft hole down a corridor with thick brush and trees and no ob so they have to throw it from the rough if it goes off to the side is more interesting. Going out of bounds and then throwing from a drop zone isn’t really all that exciting
16" basket tops
Lost disc story- I found a disc, text the number on the back, the guy responded saying his is out of town and asked me to hold on to it. I said sure let me know when you are back and I will find a way to get it back to you. The guy texted me a week later asking for my address so he could come get it. I didn't want some random guy coming to my house. So I went to the park left it under a shed and sent him a picture of where it was. He was upset because he thought someone would find it before he got it back. In what world do you ask for a random persons address?!?
Putting does not need to be harder. Only with the top elite pros in calm conditions does it seem a bit much. Other than that, no one needs to see more misses. Especially in FPO. I'm a huge FPO fan but the putting other than a couple people is pretty rough. If anything, FPO needs bigger baskets that catch even better. It would encourage more runs and limit the crazy number of short misses at even the top level. Ohn is an exception and a couple other players but I'd love to see an actual top 25 FPO 22 foot putt percentage. My guess is it's pretty bad. But even most of the touring MPO field doesn't need tougher putts.
Brodie your point at 21 minutes is totally illustrated by Calvins highly replayed ace where he tried the shot on jomez and went into the trees and they said "thats not the line for this" and Calvin said, well see tomorrow... his strategy was different, he saw a line they didn't and when it paid off it was pretty gangster. Yer not going to see that in darts or bowling... or corn hole
Bullseye should be excluded from circle one putt statistics
Changing the baskets will never happen. Theres way too many in the ground to make them all obsolete. Climos point about it being tougher to putt on old style baskets is on point though.
Is calling it Frolf acceptable?
More sporcle quizzes!
I think there needs to be a balance. You don't want every course to have guys shooting 17 under a round, but you also don't want courses where the contenders are shooting even. Fpo is guilty of that, and it's not always a good product to watch. Also you want enough wiggle room where people can make comebacks. If people are shooting regularly 15 down. You can very well be out of the tournament in 3 holes. And that's not fun
I know it's a different host you have less experience with but this was the most cutting off I've seen on a podcast in quite awhile
I know so many people that basically stole money from prize picks last year 😂.
My buddy paid off his student loans in 2 tournaments
Some guy pulled this “what kinda disc is it” on me and then looked mad that I knew exactly what it was lmao … if you need some plastic just ask man
IF you have a PERFECT round as a pro you should end up with 18 under par. Then I'm talking you hit every shot and every putt. Birdie should always be avalible on every hole. And not saying it should be "easy" as they say. More saying 30% of the field should be able to birdie a hole
Calvin has the biggest PPi in all of MPO
A smaller basket is possibly the best move for disc golf. but i dont think we will ever see it, it has been years of hot takes/podcasts/interviews about a smaller basket but not one single pro player, manufacturer or TH-camr has actually tested one. (by testing I mean actually playing a round of disc golf with it)
16" tops 😍
We need to just play on marksman baskets
Ball golf is actually ball golf though. They hit balls. I don't think we throw Frisbees. This could be debated on. You'd have to carefully pick apart the definition of a Frisbee. But to me, we throw discs. So it's disc golf.
Brodie, I'll admit, I wasn't the biggest fan of you at first but you have grown on me and I like your style bruv. Keep it up dawwwwwwwg
I don’t think changing the targets is really the solution. I think disc golf forced itself into this pickle where they have allowed different targets and different designs, so now the players, when a spit out happens, can maybe blame the target a little bit, and some get angry, and in general, I don’t enjoy watching that. I don’t think spit outs and chain outs makes for a more entertaining experience. I think the pro tour needs to set a standardized basket, and I just want better course design and green design. I think in disc golf it could be a lot about green access. Island holes are fun because they’re fair, there’s usually a bail out zone where you can play it safe and have a difficult putt, and you can make the green really difficult to access and land on in the area of the circle.
Agreed! I think the dgpt baskets should be the same down to the same kind of metal used. I cant think of a sport where the equipment you score on will affect the result of your shot to this extent withouth you having any controll over it. Meanwhile the only strict standard for a basket is measurment even though the material it's made out of is almost as important.