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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 มิ.ย. 2024
- Shooting practical water tank elements to be composited into our cinematic submarine sequence. Part 4 of our submarine special fx tutorial series where we show you not only how we shot these elements, but also how to composite them using After Effects into our final shots! A simple filmmaking technique to create underwater cinematography
EQUIPMENT USED IN THIS VIDEO:
Tank Test elements shot on:
RED Helium with a Laowa Periscope lens.
Sub Elements Shot on:
Cameras/Accs:
BMPCC 6K Pocket Cinema:
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TILTA Tactical Cage:
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Miller 3001 Tripod:
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Canon 24-105mm EF Lens:
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Samyang 35mm EF:
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SmallHD Monitor:
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:45 Setting Up The Water Tank
3:05 Lighting the Tank
6:18 Shooting the Tank Elements
10:55 Compositing the Elements
25:55 Outro
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APOLOGIES!!! We used compressed exports of the sub sequence shots on our timeline so they look REALLY BAD after recompression. To see them in a less terrible state check Ep1 of this series. Oh what fun this is!
ALSO! We will be making the sub sequences AND tank elements shots available to our Patrons very soon!
Of course, you wouldn't get cavitation bubbles on that sort of submarine propeller. They are designed specifically to avoid leaving bubble trails.
I was thinking exactly that when I saw the shot
Fancy seeing you here Lindybeige!
I can’t wait to see you guys colorize some of those fly thru milk shots with a tiny spaceship for an epic wide shot.
That was so cool, especially that Giger shot!!
Guys it is amazing - absolutely amazing - and I'm learning a megaton from you.
There is one thing however about all "underwater" fakes that is pretty much impossible to avoid; it immediately betrays the footage wasn't actually shot in the water. The trick is that, as any diver can testify, due to how water refracts light, the light rays look very different when you look upwards from the depth. Simply speaking, instead of light rays coming to one point above the surface of the sea, you see them as if they are focusing on yourself, spreading as they rise to the sea surface.
Which of course doesn't drop the quality of your work.
That's fascinating! (makes note) must go diving more... (T)
I was lucky enough to get to visit Doug Trumball's studio when he produced our feature a few years ago. Super nice guy, and even at his age now, he's still trying to push the envelope with all kinds of cool technology in camera work.
Was that for Approaching the Unknown?
There's a German Sci-fi series from the sixties where they have spaceships starting from underwater. They too used carbon tablets for bubbles. It's nice to see techniques from then are still handy today.
Raumschiff Orion... great show?! Came out even before Star Trek. By a year or so. They had household apliences für Technical equipment. Resourceful but not very... immersive :D
Raumpatrouille - it's on youtube, I love it!
@@moranjackson7662 I recently watched the show for the first time. It is surprisingly good, I was expecting it to be much more cheesy.
Every set set designer should watch the show!
The results are incredible for "just a demonstration." Great work!
Thanks as always, Kyle!
And tons of stuff they may use later. Seams that's a fun bit.
Have you guys ever done any life size underwater stuff in a pool? Would love to see that. Like Jaws where they used milk in a swimming pool for some scenes.
You guys are more valuable than the entire year of film school I love your channel I hope you get rich from TH-cam I hope you get more recondition and honestly I just love you guys
Haha, thank you! Glad that you’re finding our videos helpful!
You did clouds. Then the tank. Love to see clouds in the tank! LOL Black Books reference.
Haha, cloud tank work is a well known nightmare! But I'm sure we'll go there at some point. But we'll need a bigger tank!
Christopher Nolan approved this 👍🏻
It’d be cool to see you guys do some animatronics, like gremlins or something
Definitely!
sometimes it's the simple things that look best in the end 👍
Amen to that!
7:25 The opening scene of the birth of our galaxy in the film "Tree of life" used these exact techniques to achieve all of the shots you see of the galaxy being born!
thats why i like you guyz
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Ha!! Nerds!! No seriously, everything you post on this channel is so good. Really inspiring to watch. Thanks!
Haha, thank you so much!
FYI - if you add digital grain to your TH-cam export, it will retain more of the smaller bits and reduce banding.
Really enjoyed this deep dive (pardon the pun) on the ins and outs of working with a cloud tank. Great job and thanks!
Great vid! I would love to see some of those saline tank effects they used to make clouds and storms for things like Close Encounters or Poltergeist. Heard about that set up but never quite understood how that worked.
Yes. I am giddy that they got a tank but a bit dissapointed they haven't gone full cloud tank mode... yet. :D
I am sure it's on the to do list.
But also. Not only do the saltwater sweetwater split with milk clouds but hopefully also rig up a motion controlled milk dispenser like Trumbul buit for Close encounters so he could repeatedly draw in the shapes in 3D and get that flat cloud bottom with the saltwater layering.
I'd like to see their take on that, too. Here's a video that does show the setup - about 2.5 minutes in. th-cam.com/video/-qou5sDOO8k/w-d-xo.html
Honestly you guys are Brilliant
Thank you!
Malick's Tree Of Life features lots of liquids-in-water shots, end they look mesmerizing. As does, of course Superman. A really useful technique.
Yes! Trumball's work in Tree of Life is just jaw dropiing!
Damn! 569 Likes and not a single Dislike! Not many channels can pull that off! Great content as always boys!
I'd love to learn more about "gaffing" and lighting in general, so a video in which you explain your exact process or even a course, would be so great (:
We’ve covered lighting in plenty of videos, but could always do one exclusively on it! Check out our Psycho house episode for a good one that coverings lighting miniatures
@@InCameraTV Thank you so much for your answer 😊
Nice first frame to greet all us humans 😮
Did a video shoot in aquarium as well for my movie. We used 25l tank + water and added some Calpis Soda (Japanese milky soda drink. P.S. actually quite good) and put Nanlite Forza with spotlight lens on top to achieve light rays in the water. I wish we had much bigger aquarium, but at the end of the day we've got the result.
P.S. Keep on going guys! With love from Russia and Japan!
I really liked the effect of the ripples as your hand entered and left the water. Perhaps a small fan blowing across the surface of the water with a high frame rate would be worth trying. It should look awesome when played back at normal speed
Dang, 6:54 is beautiful!! I would not have even considered shooting something like water particles, imagine what you could create from those elements!
"You can only crush the... up the contrast of the scene so much" lol, good catch. That phrase always raises some eyebrows
Amazing watch! Thank you to everyone involved with this series.
I really enjoyed your little film, although I did burp a lot? You didn't reach the giddy heights of Derek Meddings in his 'Stingray' or Thunderbird 4 action scenes but you gave that James Cameron a run for his money. Seriously, you managed to create atmosphere which shows what is capable without going full, Hollywood or CGI. Great work, keep it up - looking forward to your future fishtank productions; [here we go] 'Voyage to the bottom of the tank', 'The Dip 3D', 'Night Jaws' featuring Steradent standing in for AlkaSeltzer, and not forgetting '20,000 leaks under the tank'.
Don't need a Pun-man? No, I thought not!
If you ever decided to have these elements as a library to purchase, I know I would be all over it!
We're going to make this stuff available for our Patrons!
Love the creativity, looks great!!👏
Love this so much!
Really awesome video guys! Could you expand on this and do some tutorials with cloud tanks?
Yeah that’s definitely something we could do!
This was fantastic!
Wow!, things really have come on leaps and bounds in the way you can composite shots, seems as easy as pye these days...enjoyed your tank foray and was taken back to my childhood watching Stingray. You mentioned ideas for future videos and being a Gerry Anderson fan, along with Derek Meddings...I always liked the explosion at the end of the opening credits to Thunderbirds, a random refinery somewhere, with these big explosions one after the other - I'd like you to mimic that 💥💥💥 lovin all that you do 🤘👍😀
I seriously learn so much from every one of your videos, thank you for the great content.
Thank you so much, glad our videos are helpful to you!
So COOL!
Amazing video as aways!! I'd love to see a more in depth video about the lighting process, i know there's so much more knowledge involved than what you fit in the video, and you guys do an incredible job with light!!!
Any high frequency detail will truly be annihilated by TH-cam, man that shot of bubbles suffered something terrible! It's a shame, because that sort of thing can be so pretty!
Loving this content 😍
Thanks, Ben!
At 8:45 , alka-seltzer is dropped into the tank. For Aussies, that's the equivalent of aspro-clear or disprin, lol. Meanwhile, great vid! I've loved these types of effects since going to see the Flash Gordon movie in '80 😂! We dinosaurs adore this stuff 🦕 !
oh, and Invasion of the Body-Snatchers in '78 had great use of this technique, too! It looked quite "icky" on a giant screen.
Cool stuff, once again - wish you to make an entire feature with all these practical effects one day - keep up the awesome!
I'm so jealous. I want these shots to use in some of my stuff. I don't have the cameras and lights to be able shoot it myself. Ya'll should post the better quality one somewhere away from the TH-cam algorithm. Wink wink. I am just kidding. I would never use anyone's stuff without permission. Nice job, y'all. It looks incredible.
Thanks so much! And just fyi, we are going to be releasing the full fat versions of the sub sequences and the water tank shots for download ;)
Hey guys I love the video, you definitely blow me away. Especially with the Milk effects. Have you ever tired something like the opening aura shot from the Tree of Life movie? It’s right before the fish tank effects and reminds me of a flame but it’s more of like an organic light leak of some kind. Anyway, love the video, great work.
"we hate glitter here" somebody has worked on a main stage that hosts dance events.
We used a fish tank for our upcoming horror film HAUNTER FROM BEYOND. It´s a bit tricky and you need patience, but the results are amazing!
I’d love to see you guys recreate the slit-scan sequence from 2001
great episode:)
Would be cool to have a look at the galaxy shots in Flash Gordon while playing I mean working with the fish tank
I just discovered your channel. I've loved visual effects since I was a kid, especially in-camera effects. Watching this video reminded me of the nebula effects in the "Stargate" sequence of "2001: A Space Odyssey." They used similar techniques in a small area. If you're looking for subjects for future shows, may I suggest foreground miniatures and forced perspective?
amazing guys.. I may get into this myself at some point.. but it's quite a bit of outlay with the water tank.. and alot of weight, unless your on a ground floor level.. I'm in a flat.. so I'm a bit concerned I'd flood the flat lol.. love to try this though..just thinking out loud here, but could you have achieved this shot by filming the sub behind the tank, so you still got all the layering going on in front, but rig up the sub behind the tank and infant of a green screen or blue screen, I don't know what the issues are here, but could that have solved some of the issues you had with lighting and blacking out etc...
Great work as normal, looking for to future projects.
What I would like to see is something like matt paintings
Would love to see you attempt stop motion using miniature models something similar to the battle of Hoth. Btw your facial hair reminds me of a magician/mystic and now it makes sense because your a magician of VFX!
Edit: me and you both mentioned Giger at the same time. A man of culture!
Great work as always!! Would love to see you guys play around with the slit scan effects used in 2001. Also check the beginning of Kwaidan (1964) for some truly spectacular water tank/ink effects during the credits.
Love to know how'd you guys approach practical miniature waves washing ashore.
Also, cool FLCL shirt.
Well spotted!
@@InCameraTV I'm an anime fanatic, aspiring filmmaker, and fine artist; of course I'm gonna spot anything remotely associated to very cool intellectual property I adore! LOL Cheers!
And, do a quick tutorial on practical miniature waves washing ashore, I need it for my first short film, please!
the RNLI in Poole has a large tank used for training (obviously.) but it's been used for filming in the past, I believe.
Oh that’s cool
Filp the mica shot and tint it orange and you have a nuke! Your static bubbles might make a nice star field for spacey shots. Would shooting through the narrow end allow you to get that depth, front to back, that you want? A piece of hose will allow you to syphon the water saving the bucket work. Filming somewhat near a drain, would allow easy direct draining...
Just watched "Shot on iPhone 13 Pro | Experiments VI: Movie Magic" by Apple and immediately thought of your practical clouds and planets.
Maybe show how to make a DIY air-compressed debris gun.
Cool staf, as always)
Thank you!
Hey, it may be a bit home made, but it was better 'dry for wet' than we used to get from 'Stingray' back in the 60's.
Thanks for all the great stuff guys!
Maybe you could do some slit scan film techniques and try and recreate like a 2001 A Space Odyssey. Your fancy motion control rig should come in handy for that. And possibly even compare the camera style verses what can be made with simple CGI software.
Lots of requests for Slit scan! Can't ignore that!
This is the third of your videos that I've watched. You got my sub. I've learned so much in just three videos. The dry-for-wet technique and then the wet tank work in this video, huge amount of knowledge shared there. Up till now, I've done very little video work, mainly because I'm rarely happy with the final results. You've spawned many little ideas in my head. I just might be encouraged enough to set up a few little rigs in my shop to practice some of this. Thanks for sharing this kind of knowledge in such a clearly demonstrated fashion.
Some of the terms and phrases you've used are, as of yet, unknown to me. Clearly, I still have much to learn. Great stuff, this is. And great fun seeing and learning how it's done.
BTW, at 03:15 in the background, just to Tommy's right, there is something that appears to be a, how shall I put this, a D.O.U.S. (dong of unusual size). What's up with that?
This is great! Curious? How long do you think it takes to set up these shots? Or any of the elements shots?
I hope Corridor Crew discover you Guys
We'd love to do a Practical VS CGI challenge with them!
I wonder if platsidip would be great to black out the sides… if I ever get a tank and need to shoot some eerie swirlies, I’ll try that and let you know 😆
Cool channel!
Run the Gieger milk flow upside down...might look really awesome...
Its Wednesday afternoon, which can only mean WOOP!
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I would really like to see a tutorial on the editing process!! Now next question: who did the "Downward Squirt...of the milky substance" into the tank!? 😂😂😂😂
Hey guys, you are talking about the TH-cam compression nixing some of the lovely particles. How does Vimeo perform in comparison?
Great question! As Vimeo doesn't need to handle anywhere near the traffic YT does, one would hope their compression is less savage. We'll do some tests!
14:17 Invasion of the Body Snatchers 1978!!
Great video as usual! I would love to see some ghostly effects as seen in Ghostbusters film (thinking about the library ghost in particular)
Yes! Working on something like that actually!
@@InCameraTV Can't wait to see it!
Still amazed that doctor strange is teaching film making on your channel 😅
Haha we've had plenty of Cumberbatch comparisons!
Amazing Work! Really in love with you guys 😇
Do you guys think you can create the Death Star I battle? You know either the trench run or just X-Wings vs Tie Fighters on the Death Star? Or both?
ummmm th-cam.com/video/QOcN5kr20Lo/w-d-xo.html
@@HappyGobo read the comment again.
@@medalgear654 They did a trench shot. Blowing up miniatures is kind of the next level.
If you think you may do much in the way of fine bubbles rising in the future, I would think a small air compressor feeding material with super fine holes so the bubbles come out small, would keep the tank clean. I can't think of the name of it but there is a stone that air can pass through to do that. Great work though on what you have done.
That's a great shout! We were working pretty 'quick and dirty' on this one. It would be ideal to have the tube(s) fixed inside the tank so the water isn't disturbed by by hands moving around!
Personally as someone who is interested in created a WW2 short film but with 0 budget (I absolutely loved your Dresden plane video it was so cool) how would you recommend or personally go about filming on a modern phone? Your creativity to overcome problems seems to have no bounds so you seem perfect to ask ☺️
FilmicPro is a well regarded app that allows you to manually control your phone's camera (focus, f stop, white balance, iso etc) so that's the best place to start!
@@InCameraTV thank you so much I’ll look into it immediately. Keep up the good work your very inspirational 😁
I'm curious as to how you go about camera matching miniatures with actual size. How do you match the perspective/lens/dof of actual size in miniature? For instance, set extensions, having the FG actual size with people and the BG is miniature. Is there math or do you just eyeball it?
Could you so something sitting at the bottom of a frozen lake? Maybe a locomotive that just fell in with steam coming off the hot boiler?
*Tommy Human,*
When checking the new TH-cam videos under the Subscriptions Bell icon, *I ALWAYS click on InCamera first!*
Watching your water effects has been very interesting and thought provoking. For around 20 years, I was a serious aquarist, keeping *freshwater, brackish and marine tanks.* I learned so many things over those many years...I kept thinking _Gee, I would love to be with them helping out!_ You guys did a great job!
I had a couple of ideas...
If you were to create a tank of fresh water, then mix up a batch of _highly salted_ water and carefully add it to the fresh water, the two waters would not immediately mix. This can create a very cool visual effect, which can be *enhanced all the more* by simply adding a touch of food coloring to your saline mix.
Also, I wondered if you guys were familiar with *Musou Black,* which is the _blackest of black paints,_ and thus could serve you quite well in many filming instances!
_God bless_
There's another channel featuring fresh and salt water tank effects, and oil and water. Forgot its name.
Thanks so much Mike! And yes, cloud tank work can yield really incredible results, but such a nightmare of factors!!! I'm sure we will go there one day, but one thing's for certain, we're gonna need a bigger tank ;)
And yeah there's a couple of iterations of this crazy black paint out there, I believe JP has a little stash... so cool! (T)
@@InCameraTV
*REALLY ENJOY YOUR CHANNEL... **_THANK YOU!_*
There's a great video all about Musou Black on the ACTION LAB TH-cam channel.
*NOTE:* _I'd give you a link, but I don't think that links are allowed on your channel's comments section._
I was thinking, if the lowest values are messing with the contrast while stacking the layers with additive blending modes. Then maybe you can simply crush those lowest values to a nice flat black before layering them? Because while 0.002+0.001 makes 0.003 and so on then if you clip the low end you'd have 0.000+0.000 and still have 0.000 as the result and can layer hundreds of layers. Sure, one will loise a tiny bit of edge detail on the particles as they blend to pure black instead of a noise floor. But with the channel resolution of that camera you have lots to spare before it becomes too crunchy when rendered.
2:21 A man has fallen into the river in Lego City.
What focal length did you guys shoot at? would a wide angle lens work for these types of shots?
TOPIC REQUEST: can you demonstrate the Schuftan Process as it was used in Metropolis and other early twentieth century films please.
That may be in the pipeline already 👀
@@InCameraTV Thu Schufftan process is filming into a mirror. It's good you can just flop the video later in post, but you have to design it around the fact that it's a reversed image.
Could you reimagine the titanic break-up (1997, cameron) ? - i saw here some promising examples on youtube (handmade no cgi) already, so maybe break up plus how the titanic sinks (in such an environment)...
can you recreate atomic mushroom explosion or tornado with this technic?
Do space videos!!
Bristol Waters Finest! It's a little cloudy...are you based in the south west?
Bristol actually!
@@kellywild5460 ah excellent! Me too!
@@maxdorey6713 Love your model work Max! (T)
@@InCameraTV wait, what, now I'm confused about where we know eachother from!
@@InCameraTV and thank you!
any chance you'll use the tank for some space elements?
Maybe 👀🤷♂️
Try Jeyes fluid…..
I'm TANKED ;-) to watch this ok I'll grab my coat
Always love your work Richard. Don't ever stop punning. Or getting your coat 😉
Are we able to buy the uncompressed version?
We're going to be making the sub sequences and tank elements available to our Patrons very soon!
do you do stop-motion?
It has been known! We will definitely be doing some in the future 😁
perhaps something from Inner space.
🤣... You saw the other sub episodes right...
22:25 Don't you mean "a Kubrick meter"?
Wahaaay
why do you keep the weights on the top shelves?!?!?!?!
There are even heavier things on the bottom! 🤣
Cow juice.