Hi Alex! me again, thanks for your help so far,, i have installed the LD42WS-250w but a couple of questions,, using adaptive tool paths for clearing what depth is good for aluminum, i am currently doing 0.2 m but that is taking forever and it feels like its cutting pretty easy, also any tips on cooling the LD42WS-250w?
Hi! 1. I set the cutting depth to 0.25 - 0.35 mm for aluminum. In my mind, the processing speed is very low. But we have to agree with this, because I don't have another machine :) I recommend testing different cutters, including those special for aluminum and different modes. Perhaps you will find the optimal mode for a particular cutter. To reduce vibration, I mounted a lead plate weighing 3.5 kg under the table: www.cnc-club.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=182699&mode=view&mt=1 2. To cooling the spindle, I use a radiator for RC models. I gave a link to it on my website: cnc1310.ru/Message/Thread/41
Hello! Since then, the CNC1419 version has appeared. This machine has a clever and universal spindle mount and a larger working space. But in any case, this is a hobby machine, not industrial manufacturing.
@@AlexMoonXXI do you think that CNC1419 is less rigid since the bed is no longer moving seperately, but instead Y axis is gantry? Or will it not matter?
@@gedr7664 I think the type of kinematics doesn't matter. The ratio of stroke to shaft diameter is important. The quality of processing is affected not only by rigidity, but also by the mass of parts. CNC1419 has the ability to install additional weight in the bed.
thats amazing, I have a 1380 that im in the process of doing somthing like this with.. my spindle is not as expensive as the one you have but i have upgraded it to a 500w
Hi! I have not yet needed steel engraving. However, this is not a difficult operation for this machine. (steel engraving, not milling!) Engraving is demanding on the quality of the engraver bits. Cheap Chinese bits will not work on steel. But maybe these: aliexpress.ru/item/32968638466.html
@Jarhead Fishing Hi! The CNC1310 machine was presented by the manufacturer only as an engraving machine. It is not intended for mass production of aluminum parts. I chose it only because of its compactness. If you have a workshop - buy a special machine for processing non-ferrous metals. Otherwise, you have to invest for upgrade CNC1310.
Hi, do you have a link to a spindle You would recommend for milling aluminum with a 1419. And are there any upgrades for the 1419 I would need to mill aluminum? Thanks
Hi! I haven't researched the spindle proposions for 1419. But I think that you need to look for something similar: aliexpress.ru/item/1005003255568214.html
I don't know your requirements and possibilities. Do you need a workshop machine? How many items per day do you plan to process? What financial resources do you have? Maybe the Roland EGX-350 is right for you? Maybe you will be satisfied with the cheapest CNC1419?
Looking at buying this machine for engraving and drilling on small cast aluminum project enclosures (boxes), will this machine do such without modifications?
In your notes you said you replaced the benbox Arduino control board? What did you replace it with? Do you simply disconnect the old board and connect the new board or do you have to do something extra?
Hi! I don’t remember where I talked about replacing the grbl-shield :) I replaced the firmware to grbl 1.1. I also replaced the laser driver. But I really plan to replace the grbl-shield in the near future. However, I see no reason to replace one grbl-shield with another. This will have no effect. I plan to replace the grbl-shield with mach3 - compatible controller. This will allow me to install the 4th axis and use more advanced software.
@@AlexMoonXXI oh! Ok. I misread the notes. It was someone else that said they replaced the Arduino nano clone. They said it "...continuously reset itself. Replaced with a good clone and now cnc can run for days without issues...". I was thinking of purchasing this 1310 and just don't want to run into similar problems and not know what is wrong. Seems none of the CNCs are without issues. Thanks .
@@khloe38 Hi! My machine has been working for 2 years and does not reset spontaneously. More precisely, there were resets due to breakdown by static electricity. It is also important to remember that the native motor 775 creates strong interference for electronic signals. Its conclusions must be shunted by a capacitor (0.01 μF) and a ferrite ring.
Router: aliexpress.ru/item/32862834334.html Spindle: aliexpress.ru/item/4001333153650.html But I recommend to buy a CNC1419 machine. A cheaper spindle can be mounted on it.
Hello! This machine is marketed by suppliers as a soft metal engraving machine. But if you modify the spindle mount and install another spindle, then it will be possible to mill aluminum, copper, brass.
I don't have a noise meter. Like an electric coffee grinder. Only much longer :) I also live in apartments, but the owners of neighboring apartments have no complaints.
Если имея 12мм линейные валы без опоры, он справляется с фрезеровкой алюминия- то отлично. Значит, если 16мм направляющие поставить, то и сталь можно попробовать отфрезеровать)
У этого станка очень маленькое рабочее поле. А значит, что между опорами валов и нагрузкой очень малая база. Из-за этого деформация валов 12мм. ничтожна (измерения проводились). Однако не это определяет возможность фрезерования стали. На форуме www.cnc-club.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=146&t=20248 в ветке про этот станок есть примеры со сталью. Препятствием к ее полноценной обработке является люфт в приводах + малый вес стола и шпинделя. Утяжелите конструкцию и избавитесь от вибраций и резонанса при обработке стали. Я рекомендую заинтересованным в покупке этого станка смотреть в сторону CNC1419. Он сделан из тех же материалов, но имеет портальную конструкцию, большее рабочее поле и универсальный механизм крепления шпинделя.
@@AlexMoonXXI Спасибо за развёрнутый ответ! Если не ошибаюсь, оптимальная длина валов без опоры определяется по формуле "диаметр вала * 10"? То есть, для 12-го вала на длине 120мм деформаций быть не должно..
@@TheDIMONART Если говорить о сферических конях в вакууме, то деформация есть у всего и всегда. Но какую деформацию считать недопустимой?.. Я, как владелец и популяризатор этого станка скажу, что имея цель фрезеровать сталь, следует присмотреть себе другой станок, а не извращаться в доработках этого :) Его и под алюминий пришлось неслабо допиливать. Ведь его единственное, но неоспоримое достоинство в том, что он реально настольный. Его ближайшие конкуренты в этом классе стоят свыше $5000 (Roland, Pocket NC ...). Для мастерской или гаража можно подобрать что-то посерьезнее.
Hi Victor! I don't know how to explain in detail ... Six months before this video, I didn't know how to distinguish a drill bit from a cutter. Then I studied a lot of materials about CNC control programs. I practiced on simple products. I recommend to study the Fusion 360 lessons. There are a lot of them on the Internet. Good luck!
Hi, this upgrade is way too expensive. I upgraded it with 500w 52mm spindle for much less money. It’s more hassle to route the aluminum plates to fit 52mm body, but hey, we are here cos we can do it:)
Hi! There is a cheap spindle with a diameter of 42 mm. "LD42WS-250w" It has a low rotation speed - 12000 rpm. But many owners overclock it up to 25000 rpm. I also like the idea of ditching the motor spindle in favor of a belt driven spindle.
@@AlexMoonXXI yes, but it's still twice as expensive than 52mm one, and half the power than this one: www.aliexpress.com/item/4000965830486.html. Does it need additional power supply, since it's 250W, or can it run from 24V from the control board?
@@DrZdravke This 500W spindle is cheaper because it is not brushless and has a simple controller. Also, I do not know the quality of his bearings, the balance of the shaft and cartridge. What is its backlash, beating, vibration? Installing a 52mm spindle will require reworking the entire carriage. Making it out of metal is even more expensive. If made from a different material, the rigidity of the structure will deteriorate. You cannot use the power supply from the machine. It is rated for 6A. A minimum of 10A is required. There is a simple option: buy a CNC1419 machine. It has a universal spindle mount.
I purchased the LD42WS-250W spindle the problem is that the holes do not coincide with the original ones on the machine, how should I do? should i build an adapter like you do ? could you send me the file?
Hi! What is the distance between the opposite holes? (I have not found this information anywhere). I will send you a solid model of my collar. If you find the cost of its manufacture acceptable - it will be the best solution. Otherwise, you can drill holes in the bottom of the carriage.
hello, the holes are slightly different and are placed in different positions with respect to the spindle 775, if you can send me the file I thank you, so I can see the costs to make it here in Italy, or I'll make holes as you advise me, thanks
hi! what size of extension rod holder it has? i mean, the motor axle that holds it is 5mm or other? it come whith different spring collect sizes? thanks!
@@viewcycleblog5222 Hi! The working area is the maximum distance between the end points along the axes. For CNC1310 this zone is 126mm * 88mm * 38mm A machine similar to the CNC1310 with a larger working area: CNC1419
Hi, I have 1419 cnc (similar but bigger than 1310), and I bought the S4225-B24 motor spindle (same as yours). Do you have any problem with cooling the aluminium while you are engraving? You said you speed is 24000 rpm, 3 flute, 250mm/min etc. I've tried to reproduce everything and I get quite hot aluminium (aluminium starts to stick to the engrave bit). I've installed air cooling, and now it's ok.
Hi! My cutting parameters are not accurate. They are satisfactory for a specific alloy, tool, machine and conditions of use. It is ideal to use the parameters, described in the cutter passport. But for this, you need to have the ideal machine. :) I could give you links to all used cutters... However! Ours machines can be different a little bit in details. For example i assume that the machine can vibrate with the resonance of the cutter. This can lead to overheating. But I can say for sure: choose specialized cutters for aluminum alloys! Mill bits of small diameter (3mm or less) are better to buy one-flute.
@@hrastro I am not searching ideal parameters because I am not a professional. I am satisfied acceptable. But you can learn the manuals www.zccct-europe.net/web/documents/Produkte/102_ALU_ENG_DE.pdf
"I have 1419" Still using it? How do you like it? "problem with cooling the aluminium?" Cooling aluminum shouldn't be a problem. Aluminum is a heatsink. "aluminium starts to stick to the engrave bit" Are you using real aluminum? Do you know what type of aluminum? There are many different types. Some, like local hardware store aluminum, sticks to bits. Real aluminum, like 6061, doesn't. People who use these machines should know what type of aluminum they are using. You can tell the difference even when using a hacksaw or a file.
Hi Steve! If I sell this machine, what will I use? Or do you mean the business of selling such machines? In such a business, I cannot compete with the Chinese :)
Hi! How is the spindle connected to the shield? In modern versions of the cnc1310 on the motor provides a filter against interference. www.cnc-club.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=164341&sid=872d3cec653c0939f57964101f2e481a&mode=view&mt=1
@@AlexMoonXXI the spindle is connected with a normal two-pole connector on the board, and has no type of filter or other, I bought the machine immediately after it came out, I would like to upgrade the spindle by putting the LD42WS-250w as I saw on your forum , do you have any advice on assembly? if this also needs some type of filter, thank you very much for the answer
@@airgundany5721 Problems with connection loss, occur due to interference from spindle brushes. Pass the wire through the ferrite ring (maybe twice). Also install a 1000 pF capacitor parallel to the brushes. Try to use another USB cable. Spindle "LD42WS-250w" has no brushes. It does not emit interference. For this spindle, you will need a brushless driver like as ru.aliexpress.com/item/DC-24-V-48-V-bldc/32926052608.html You can use a native cnc1310 power supply (24V) to power this driver.
@@AlexMoonXXI thanks for the reply, I really like how you are modify yours, I am waiting for new videos soon! very nice also the probe you have built, compliments
The processing took quite a long time. About 1h: 30m Also, the tool was changed several times. This is not suitable for industrial production. But for a hobby it is acceptable.
i would love to get me on el ike this for alu and acrylic... but they are soo loud im scared my neighbours will flip out... im living in a appartment lol
Hey Alex! What spindle upgrade do you have on this video and are there any other modifications you need in order to have this spindle work for the CNC 1310
@@AlexMoonXXI Hi Alex, i just ordered one of these for hopes of doing small alluminum mounts for my 3d printers, but after ordering i saw the video on it from "design prototype test" (How To CNC Cut Metal For Under $400) and he could hardly get it to cut at all, even with a motor upgrade, any ideas why ?
@@coffeeoutlaws7783 Hello! I have a lot of ideas about "why it doesn't cut" :) I don't know what kind of spindle you have, what cutters, what cutting parameters... The author of the video you cited is trying to cut metal, like on an industrial machine. That is, milling with the entire depth of the cutting edge of the cutter. But its spindle mount does not provide the required structural rigidity. The cutter vibrates. Try to execute NC with step-by-step deepening of the cutter, as in my video. But there are examples of successful milling with the entire cutter: th-cam.com/video/kIddtXZUYMc/w-d-xo.html
@@AlexMoonXXI is it possible to cut decently with a stock machine? no upgrades? is there anyway i can chat with you about this machine better like discord or such?
@@coffeeoutlaws7783 The stock machine is equipped with a spindle, which is a motor from a hand drill with a low-quality chuck. This motor has a thin shaft that can deform under load. There is also backlash and beating of the chuck. As a result, the cutter will vibrate and cut inefficiently. The minimum upgrade of this machine, which will allow you to cut aluminum: replacing the spindle with DL42WS-250W. All information about this machine is collected on the cnc1310.ru website (there is an automatic translation).
I bought on Aliexpress Now a more sophisticated version of the machine is being sold - CNC1419 aliexpress.ru/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20210209233308&SearchText=cnc1419 It is possible for him to buy a cheaper but powerful spindle.
Yes it is possible. But it requires a deep upgrade. You can see, even for the cutting of aluminum, an expensive spindle was used instead of the original one.
Здравствуйте скажите пожалуйста,если переделать крепление можно ли подключить к этому станку шпиндель на 800 ватт с водяным охлаждением весом 3кг и можно ли подключить к этому всему инвертор sako ski 780? Как вообще их подключить друг к другу и будут ли работать эти все компоненты вместе? Не пойму как контроллер станка управляет оборотами двигателя, как это все подключить?
Привет! Я заказал кронштейн по моему эскизу. Он обеспечивает крепление шпинделей диаметра 42 мм. Для закрепления шпинделей другого диаметра, потребуется замена красных алюминиевых панелей. Установка шпинделя 800Вт должна быть обоснована потребностями. Сугубо мое личное мнение: станок 1310 не обеспечивает надлежащей жесткости для применения такого шпинделя. Управление шпинделем происходит по разным каналам. Зависит от того, какой у Вас блок управления (частотник). Мой позволяет управляться по кабелю от Mach3, вручную и с помощью ШИМ (PWM). Пригодным для ШИМ является выход ардуино-шилда на TTL лазер (трехконтактный).
Hi! The site CNC1310.ru has an automatic translator. Language can be selected in the main menu. Unfortunately, its quality is not always satisfactory. But you can ask questions directly to alex@cnc1310.ru
@@Booroondook1 Понятие "подойдет" довольно расплывчатое. В каких объемах? С какой точностью? Для серийного производства этот станок вряд ли подойдет - быстро проявится износ в подвижных частях. А так - я и медь на нем обрабатываю, и латунь, и алюминий тем более. Родной мотор мало на что годится, т.к. у него чаще всего некачественный патрон (с биениями). Шпиндель S4225-b24 безусловно хорош, но многие справедливо считают его слишком дорогим для этого станка. Я в качестве дешевой альтернативы рекомендую LD42WS-250W.
@@AlexMoonXXI @Alex Moon да, желательно, чтобы станок как можно меньше изнашивался, среднесерийное производств, 100-200 деталей в год. Точность нужна +- 0,2 мм. Размер деталей максимум 50*50 мм, толщина 0,3 мм, из-за таких размеров деталей не хотелось бы покупать громосткий станок. Смотрю ещё в сторону 1419... Может быть есть альтернативы именитых производителей станков с такими же примерно габаритами рабочего стола? И ещё вопрос, для управления шпинделем S4225 нужно, использовать частотник, или он тоже управляется драйвером от станка?
@@Booroondook1 Такой объем он наверняка выдержит. Заменить ему линейные валы не составит труда. Точность 0,2 он запросто выдаст - я на нем печатные платы фрезерую. А там нужна точность гораздо выше. У 1419 перед 1310 основное преимущество - размер рабочего поля, которое Вам и не нужно. Из именитых производителей приходит в голову только Roland. Но он стоит, как чугунный мост, ибо для ювелирки. Может еще Carvera и Wegstr/ Для этого шпинделя нужен частотник, БП 36В и доработка станка (специальный кронштейн). Гляньте на сайте 1310 я давал обзор на шпиндели: cnc1310.ru/Message/Thread/28
Забавная манера отвечать здесь на вопросы, заданные на форуме :) Это хорошая идея - нарисовать границы на столе. Я подумаю, как это исполнить. Однако это не даст результата, если заготовка выходит за размеры стола (для этого станка такое возможно).
Забавная манера это у админа того форума, так что этим вопросом к нему. Ну если заготовка выходит за стол, то от столкновения заготовки со станком спасет только ваша голова, станок или какой либо датчик вам в этом не поможет. Потому как вы еще до станка напрасно потрудились. У меня на станках нет никаких датчиков, помню все рабочие поля, и пока еще не одной погубленной заготовки по этой причине. Если у вас GRBL и есть концевые датчики, тогда настройте софт лимиты, это кажется в настройках функция под 20 номером.
На том форуме не получиться, там каждый мои пост ставят на модерацию, правят как им выгодно, или если не возможно смысл написанного изменить, просто удаляют. Я с вами не спорил, если забыли напомню. К теме видеоролика очень даже относиться, я дал вам ссылки на форумы, где бы вы могли быстрее понять свою проблему с фрезеровкой акрила. Первая проблема как раз был не жесткости системы вашего станка, который в этом видеоролике аж ЯВНО видно. Ну и потом никакого смысла в том форуме с нелепым человеком спорить, к слову это не про вас.
Ок! Интересно Ваше мнение по жесткости. Я считал, что его основная проблема - сочетание ведущего винта Т8 и безлюфтовой гайки. А Вы как видите его проблемы?
Как раз в тех "профессиональных" форумах и есть, все ответы на ваши текущие и будущие вопросы, мои ответ в данном формате можно натянуть на несколько страниц. Потому считайте те ссылки мои ответ на ваш вопрос, как вам Мереседес сказал - откройте и почитайте, там все есть. А в форуме из 3-х участников получит достоверное сведение почти не выполнимая задача, в ближайшем будущем.
Hi! This is a custom product. We already discussed below and I published the model: th-cam.com/video/aSBFcjPTMqQ/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugwplh1LXFj2K79D67d4AaABAg
This is the CNC 1310 upgraded version which is not available in the market
thanks for your video really help me to modify and convert this CNC in helpful tool.
Hi Alex! me again, thanks for your help so far,, i have installed the LD42WS-250w but a couple of questions,, using adaptive tool paths for clearing what depth is good for aluminum, i am currently doing 0.2 m but that is taking forever and it feels like its cutting pretty easy, also any tips on cooling the LD42WS-250w?
Hi!
1. I set the cutting depth to 0.25 - 0.35 mm for aluminum.
In my mind, the processing speed is very low. But we have to agree with this, because I don't have another machine :)
I recommend testing different cutters, including those special for aluminum and different modes. Perhaps you will find the optimal mode for a particular cutter. To reduce vibration, I mounted a lead plate weighing 3.5 kg under the table: www.cnc-club.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=182699&mode=view&mt=1
2. To cooling the spindle, I use a radiator for RC models. I gave a link to it on my website: cnc1310.ru/Message/Thread/41
Hello Alex. Is there an updated version of this kind of economic desktop CNC for doing this job up to date?
Hello! Since then, the CNC1419 version has appeared. This machine has a clever and universal spindle mount and a larger working space. But in any case, this is a hobby machine, not industrial manufacturing.
@@AlexMoonXXI do you think that CNC1419 is less rigid since the bed is no longer moving seperately, but instead Y axis is gantry? Or will it not matter?
@@gedr7664 I think the type of kinematics doesn't matter. The ratio of stroke to shaft diameter is important.
The quality of processing is affected not only by rigidity, but also by the mass of parts. CNC1419 has the ability to install additional weight in the bed.
thats amazing, I have a 1380 that im in the process of doing somthing like this with.. my spindle is not as expensive as the one you have but i have upgraded it to a 500w
Are you using brushless 500w if so do you know if it can mill aluminium and brass ?
@@TayouTroy with coolant spray and a good solid base I dont see why not.. that is what I am hoping to do myself
@@adrianharrison5208 Thanks
@@TayouTroy I managed to cut some 6061 aluminum that was 4mm thick with a standard 1380 but its probably an 80% fail rate so I gave up :)
@@adrianharrison5208 Were you using the stock spindle ?
Hey can cut foam ? And witch better cnc or laser for foam?
Can you do a video on you trying to engrave a design on steel
Hi!
I have not yet needed steel engraving.
However, this is not a difficult operation for this machine.
(steel engraving, not milling!)
Engraving is demanding on the quality of the engraver bits.
Cheap Chinese bits will not work on steel.
But maybe these: aliexpress.ru/item/32968638466.html
@Jarhead Fishing Hi! The CNC1310 machine was presented by the manufacturer only as an engraving machine. It is not intended for mass production of aluminum parts.
I chose it only because of its compactness.
If you have a workshop - buy a special machine for processing non-ferrous metals.
Otherwise, you have to invest for upgrade CNC1310.
Hi, do you have a link to a spindle
You would recommend for milling aluminum with a 1419. And are there any upgrades for the 1419 I would need to mill aluminum? Thanks
Hi!
I haven't researched the spindle proposions for 1419.
But I think that you need to look for something similar: aliexpress.ru/item/1005003255568214.html
What machine would you recommend for engraving words on bronze coins
I don't know your requirements and possibilities.
Do you need a workshop machine?
How many items per day do you plan to process?
What financial resources do you have?
Maybe the Roland EGX-350 is right for you?
Maybe you will be satisfied with the cheapest CNC1419?
Looking at buying this machine for engraving and drilling on small cast aluminum project enclosures (boxes), will this machine do such without modifications?
No, it cannot.
Better buy CNC 1419
Where we can buy the bracket spindle S4225-B24?
Is the 1419 still ridgid enough to mill aluminum?
For milling single parts in hobby style. But not for production.
In your notes you said you replaced the benbox Arduino control board? What did you replace it with? Do you simply disconnect the old board and connect the new board or do you have to do something extra?
Hi!
I don’t remember where I talked about replacing the grbl-shield :)
I replaced the firmware to grbl 1.1. I also replaced the laser driver.
But I really plan to replace the grbl-shield in the near future.
However, I see no reason to replace one grbl-shield with another. This will have no effect.
I plan to replace the grbl-shield with mach3 - compatible controller. This will allow me to install the 4th axis and use more advanced software.
@@AlexMoonXXI oh! Ok. I misread the notes. It was someone else that said they replaced the Arduino nano clone. They said it "...continuously reset itself. Replaced with a good clone and now cnc can run for days without issues...". I was thinking of purchasing this 1310 and just don't want to run into similar problems and not know what is wrong. Seems none of the CNCs are without issues. Thanks .
@@khloe38 Hi!
My machine has been working for 2 years and does not reset spontaneously. More precisely, there were resets due to breakdown by static electricity. It is also important to remember that the native motor 775 creates strong interference for electronic signals. Its conclusions must be shunted by a capacitor (0.01 μF) and a ferrite ring.
what kind of spindle motor installed and how much didyou pay for the router, please?
Router: aliexpress.ru/item/32862834334.html
Spindle: aliexpress.ru/item/4001333153650.html
But I recommend to buy a CNC1419 machine.
A cheaper spindle can be mounted on it.
What other type of metal can be machined with that cnc?
Hello!
This machine is marketed by suppliers as a soft metal engraving machine.
But if you modify the spindle mount and install another spindle, then it will be possible to mill aluminum, copper, brass.
Thank you Alex, I just subscribed. Please more 1310 videos.
Approximately how many dB does this generate cutting alum? I want to use it in my apartment...
I don't have a noise meter.
Like an electric coffee grinder.
Only much longer :)
I also live in apartments, but the owners of neighboring apartments have no complaints.
What do you think about the Red 1419?
It has a bigger working area, but do you think its as solid as 1310?
If I had a choice, I would buy 1419.
Perhaps 1419 is less solid.
This is not about solid. 1310 has an idiotic spindle mount. :(
1419 has a swappable spindle mount, 1419 real work area is 1419, 1310 real work area is 1285 something like that.
Если имея 12мм линейные валы без опоры, он справляется с фрезеровкой алюминия- то отлично. Значит, если 16мм направляющие поставить, то и сталь можно попробовать отфрезеровать)
У этого станка очень маленькое рабочее поле. А значит, что между опорами валов и нагрузкой очень малая база. Из-за этого деформация валов 12мм. ничтожна (измерения проводились).
Однако не это определяет возможность фрезерования стали. На форуме www.cnc-club.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=146&t=20248 в ветке про этот станок есть примеры со сталью. Препятствием к ее полноценной обработке является люфт в приводах + малый вес стола и шпинделя. Утяжелите конструкцию и избавитесь от вибраций и резонанса при обработке стали.
Я рекомендую заинтересованным в покупке этого станка смотреть в сторону CNC1419. Он сделан из тех же материалов, но имеет портальную конструкцию, большее рабочее поле и универсальный механизм крепления шпинделя.
@@AlexMoonXXI Спасибо за развёрнутый ответ! Если не ошибаюсь, оптимальная длина валов без опоры определяется по формуле "диаметр вала * 10"? То есть, для 12-го вала на длине 120мм деформаций быть не должно..
@@TheDIMONART Если говорить о сферических конях в вакууме, то деформация есть у всего и всегда. Но какую деформацию считать недопустимой?..
Я, как владелец и популяризатор этого станка скажу, что имея цель фрезеровать сталь, следует присмотреть себе другой станок, а не извращаться в доработках этого :) Его и под алюминий пришлось неслабо допиливать. Ведь его единственное, но неоспоримое достоинство в том, что он реально настольный. Его ближайшие конкуренты в этом классе стоят свыше $5000 (Roland, Pocket NC ...).
Для мастерской или гаража можно подобрать что-то посерьезнее.
Hi, I want to ask you, How did you introduce the NC program to made this piece? Can you help me to know please. Thank you.
Hi Victor!
I don't know how to explain in detail ...
Six months before this video, I didn't know how to distinguish a drill bit from a cutter.
Then I studied a lot of materials about CNC control programs. I practiced on simple products.
I recommend to study the Fusion 360 lessons. There are a lot of them on the Internet.
Good luck!
Hi, this upgrade is way too expensive. I upgraded it with 500w 52mm spindle for much less money. It’s more hassle to route the aluminum plates to fit 52mm body, but hey, we are here cos we can do it:)
Hi!
There is a cheap spindle with a diameter of 42 mm. "LD42WS-250w"
It has a low rotation speed - 12000 rpm.
But many owners overclock it up to 25000 rpm.
I also like the idea of ditching the motor spindle in favor of a belt driven spindle.
@@AlexMoonXXI yes, but it's still twice as expensive than 52mm one, and half the power than this one: www.aliexpress.com/item/4000965830486.html. Does it need additional power supply, since it's 250W, or can it run from 24V from the control board?
@@DrZdravke This 500W spindle is cheaper because it is not brushless and has a simple controller. Also, I do not know the quality of his bearings, the balance of the shaft and cartridge. What is its backlash, beating, vibration?
Installing a 52mm spindle will require reworking the entire carriage. Making it out of metal is even more expensive. If made from a different material, the rigidity of the structure will deteriorate.
You cannot use the power supply from the machine. It is rated for 6A. A minimum of 10A is required.
There is a simple option: buy a CNC1419 machine.
It has a universal spindle mount.
Hello. Where did you get the bracket for the spindle?
Hi!
This bracket I ordered in the workshop. If you need a model, I can provide it to you.
@@AlexMoonXXI thanks for your reaction. I've found an alternative way on how to do it. But thanks anyway!
@@ischa2135 What did u end up doing? Did u upgrade your spindle? Build a new bracket?
I purchased the LD42WS-250W spindle the problem is that the holes do not coincide with the original ones on the machine, how should I do? should i build an adapter like you do ? could you send me the file?
Hi!
What is the distance between the opposite holes?
(I have not found this information anywhere).
I will send you a solid model of my collar. If you find the cost of its manufacture acceptable - it will be the best solution.
Otherwise, you can drill holes in the bottom of the carriage.
hello, the holes are slightly different and are placed in different positions with respect to the spindle 775, if you can send me the file I thank you, so I can see the costs to make it here in Italy, or I'll make holes as you advise me, thanks
@@airgundany5721 OK!
During the day I will post a link to the model.
@@airgundany5721 www.dropbox.com/s/pz58di81s2n6j6b/Collar.STL?dl=0
@@AlexMoonXXI Thanks!!
What was the power and speed of spindle?
250W & 24000rpm
hi! what size of extension rod holder it has? i mean, the motor axle that holds it is 5mm or other? it come whith different spring collect sizes? thanks!
The native spindle has a 5mm axis and an ER-11 chuck.
For ER-11 are possible collets from 7 mm and less.
@@AlexMoonXXI thanks man!
i more qhestion. what is the work zone in x,Y and Z axis? i saw that is a version from the same mill but with more work zone in x and y axis. Thanks!
@@viewcycleblog5222 Hi!
The working area is the maximum distance between the end points along the axes.
For CNC1310 this zone is 126mm * 88mm * 38mm
A machine similar to the CNC1310 with a larger working area: CNC1419
@@AlexMoonXXI thank you so much!
Cool table top. It's sooo cute
Holy chatter dude!
Hi,
I have 1419 cnc (similar but bigger than 1310), and I bought the S4225-B24 motor spindle (same as yours). Do you have any problem with cooling the aluminium while you are engraving? You said you speed is 24000 rpm, 3 flute, 250mm/min etc. I've tried to reproduce everything and I get quite hot aluminium (aluminium starts to stick to the engrave bit). I've installed air cooling, and now it's ok.
Hi!
My cutting parameters are not accurate. They are satisfactory for a specific alloy, tool, machine and conditions of use.
It is ideal to use the parameters, described in the cutter passport. But for this, you need to have the ideal machine. :)
I could give you links to all used cutters...
However!
Ours machines can be different a little bit in details.
For example i assume that the machine can vibrate with the resonance of the cutter. This can lead to overheating.
But I can say for sure: choose specialized cutters for aluminum alloys! Mill bits of small diameter (3mm or less) are better to buy one-flute.
@@AlexMoonXXI Thanks. Basically I need to find the ideal parameters by myself?
@@hrastro I am not searching ideal parameters because I am not a professional. I am satisfied acceptable.
But you can learn the manuals
www.zccct-europe.net/web/documents/Produkte/102_ALU_ENG_DE.pdf
"I have 1419"
Still using it? How do you like it?
"problem with cooling the aluminium?"
Cooling aluminum shouldn't be a problem. Aluminum is a heatsink.
"aluminium starts to stick to the engrave bit"
Are you using real aluminum? Do you know what type of aluminum? There are many different types. Some, like local hardware store aluminum, sticks to bits. Real aluminum, like 6061, doesn't.
People who use these machines should know what type of aluminum they are using. You can tell the difference even when using a hacksaw or a file.
@@AuroraColoradoUSA Hi!
I know for sure which aluminum alloy was used.
In the Russian nomenclature it is D16T. In other countries, it is called 2024.
Hi Alex are you interested in selling the same machine with all the upgrades?
Hi Steve!
If I sell this machine, what will I use?
Or do you mean the business of selling such machines?
In such a business, I cannot compete with the Chinese :)
Is there and english site?
Hi, i have the same cnc, but it lost the connection in the middle of the cut, everytime, you now why? Did tuo have the same problem?
Hi!
How is the spindle connected to the shield?
In modern versions of the cnc1310 on the motor provides a filter against interference.
www.cnc-club.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=164341&sid=872d3cec653c0939f57964101f2e481a&mode=view&mt=1
@@AlexMoonXXI the spindle is connected with a normal two-pole connector on the board, and has no type of filter or other, I bought the machine immediately after it came out, I would like to upgrade the spindle by putting the LD42WS-250w as I saw on your forum , do you have any advice on assembly? if this also needs some type of filter, thank you very much for the answer
@@airgundany5721 Problems with connection loss, occur due to interference from spindle brushes. Pass the wire through the ferrite ring (maybe twice). Also install a 1000 pF capacitor parallel to the brushes.
Try to use another USB cable.
Spindle "LD42WS-250w" has no brushes. It does not emit interference.
For this spindle, you will need a brushless driver like as ru.aliexpress.com/item/DC-24-V-48-V-bldc/32926052608.html
You can use a native cnc1310 power supply (24V) to power this driver.
@@AlexMoonXXI thanks for the reply, I really like how you are modify yours, I am waiting for new videos soon! very nice also the probe you have built, compliments
how long did that take?
The processing took quite a long time.
About 1h: 30m
Also, the tool was changed several times.
This is not suitable for industrial production.
But for a hobby it is acceptable.
i would love to get me on el ike this for alu and acrylic... but they are soo loud im scared my neighbours will flip out... im living in a appartment lol
Milling aluminum is less noisy than a coffee grinding. But much longer :)
Milling acrylic makes even less noise.
Can you name a machine so that this design can be done easily
Buy any machine for more than $ 2000
can you tell me the spindle diameter?
42 mm.
More about this spindle: cnc1310.ru/Message/Thread/28
( in Russian, but use the choice of language)
Hey Alex! What spindle upgrade do you have on this video and are there any other modifications you need in order to have this spindle work for the CNC 1310
Hi!
There is a information about the upgrade of the machine: cnc1310.ru/
(language selection - in the upper left corner).
@@AlexMoonXXI Hi Alex, i just ordered one of these for hopes of doing small alluminum mounts for my 3d printers, but after ordering i saw the video on it from "design prototype test" (How To CNC Cut Metal For Under $400) and he could hardly get it to cut at all, even with a motor upgrade, any ideas why ?
@@coffeeoutlaws7783 Hello!
I have a lot of ideas about "why it doesn't cut" :)
I don't know what kind of spindle you have, what cutters, what cutting parameters...
The author of the video you cited is trying to cut metal, like on an industrial machine. That is, milling with the entire depth of the cutting edge of the cutter. But its spindle mount does not provide the required structural rigidity. The cutter vibrates.
Try to execute NC with step-by-step deepening of the cutter, as in my video.
But there are examples of successful milling with the entire cutter:
th-cam.com/video/kIddtXZUYMc/w-d-xo.html
@@AlexMoonXXI is it possible to cut decently with a stock machine? no upgrades? is there anyway i can chat with you about this machine better like discord or such?
@@coffeeoutlaws7783 The stock machine is equipped with a spindle, which is a motor from a hand drill with a low-quality chuck.
This motor has a thin shaft that can deform under load. There is also backlash and beating of the chuck. As a result, the cutter will vibrate and cut inefficiently.
The minimum upgrade of this machine, which will allow you to cut aluminum: replacing the spindle with DL42WS-250W.
All information about this machine is collected on the cnc1310.ru website (there is an automatic translation).
Where is buy this engraving machine kindly send me details
I bought on Aliexpress
Now a more sophisticated version of the machine is being sold - CNC1419
aliexpress.ru/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20210209233308&SearchText=cnc1419
It is possible for him to buy a cheaper but powerful spindle.
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can it cut steel??
Yes it is possible. But it requires a deep upgrade. You can see, even for the cutting of aluminum, an expensive spindle was used instead of the original one.
Здравствуйте скажите пожалуйста,если переделать крепление можно ли подключить к этому станку шпиндель на 800 ватт с водяным охлаждением весом 3кг и можно ли подключить к этому всему инвертор sako ski 780? Как вообще их подключить друг к другу и будут ли работать эти все компоненты вместе? Не пойму как контроллер станка управляет оборотами двигателя, как это все подключить?
Привет!
Я заказал кронштейн по моему эскизу. Он обеспечивает крепление шпинделей диаметра 42 мм.
Для закрепления шпинделей другого диаметра, потребуется замена красных алюминиевых панелей.
Установка шпинделя 800Вт должна быть обоснована потребностями. Сугубо мое личное мнение: станок 1310 не обеспечивает надлежащей жесткости для применения такого шпинделя.
Управление шпинделем происходит по разным каналам. Зависит от того, какой у Вас блок управления (частотник). Мой позволяет управляться по кабелю от Mach3, вручную и с помощью ШИМ (PWM). Пригодным для ШИМ является выход ардуино-шилда на TTL лазер (трехконтактный).
Can i use brass design
You can process brass on this machine. But for this you will need special milling bits. And most likely you will need a real spindle, not a 775 motor.
Can i get on your site in english?
Hi!
The site CNC1310.ru has an automatic translator.
Language can be selected in the main menu.
Unfortunately, its quality is not always satisfactory.
But you can ask questions directly to alex@cnc1310.ru
Можно ли как то с вами связаться? Очень нужна помощь по подключению этого всего
Со мной можно связаться по email alex@cnc1310.ru
Какая модель мотора здесь используется?
S4225-B24
@@AlexMoonXXI подскажите, такой станок подойдёт для фрезеровки медного листа, толщиной 0,3 мм? Если да, то потянет ли родной мотор? А S4225-b24?
@@Booroondook1 Понятие "подойдет" довольно расплывчатое.
В каких объемах? С какой точностью? Для серийного производства этот станок вряд ли подойдет - быстро проявится износ в подвижных частях.
А так - я и медь на нем обрабатываю, и латунь, и алюминий тем более.
Родной мотор мало на что годится, т.к. у него чаще всего некачественный патрон (с биениями). Шпиндель S4225-b24 безусловно хорош, но многие справедливо считают его слишком дорогим для этого станка. Я в качестве дешевой альтернативы рекомендую LD42WS-250W.
@@AlexMoonXXI @Alex Moon да, желательно, чтобы станок как можно меньше изнашивался, среднесерийное производств, 100-200 деталей в год. Точность нужна +- 0,2 мм. Размер деталей максимум 50*50 мм, толщина 0,3 мм, из-за таких размеров деталей не хотелось бы покупать громосткий станок. Смотрю ещё в сторону 1419... Может быть есть альтернативы именитых производителей станков с такими же примерно габаритами рабочего стола?
И ещё вопрос, для управления шпинделем S4225 нужно, использовать частотник, или он тоже управляется драйвером от станка?
@@Booroondook1 Такой объем он наверняка выдержит. Заменить ему линейные валы не составит труда. Точность 0,2 он запросто выдаст - я на нем печатные платы фрезерую. А там нужна точность гораздо выше. У 1419 перед 1310 основное преимущество - размер рабочего поля, которое Вам и не нужно.
Из именитых производителей приходит в голову только Roland. Но он стоит, как чугунный мост, ибо для ювелирки. Может еще Carvera и Wegstr/
Для этого шпинделя нужен частотник, БП 36В и доработка станка (специальный кронштейн). Гляньте на сайте 1310 я давал обзор на шпиндели: cnc1310.ru/Message/Thread/28
Your Feeds and speeds are WAY off. You're going to destroy that spindle
Hi!
What parameters do you recommend?
Деталь - Ванна 3d принтера?
Нет. Корпус для мощной светодиодной сборки для подводного осветителя.
@@AlexMoonXXI pucha ,no entiendo nada ,que lata no saber hablar o leer rusia ,sehr schade
Use a smaller end mill so you can have faster and cleaner cuts
Thanks!
Do you think it is better to use a 2mm mill?
But I don't have a wide variety of cutters, especially for aluminum :(
Tengo unas preguntas
Haz tus preguntas.
Espero te pueda contactar
Ok! My email alex@cnc1310.ru
More info...in russian...
Разметьте любым способом на рабочем столе, границы рабочей зоны, это и будет служить вам визуальным датчиком границ рабочей зоны.
Забавная манера отвечать здесь на вопросы, заданные на форуме :)
Это хорошая идея - нарисовать границы на столе. Я подумаю, как это исполнить.
Однако это не даст результата, если заготовка выходит за размеры стола (для этого станка такое возможно).
Забавная манера это у админа того форума, так что этим вопросом к нему.
Ну если заготовка выходит за стол, то от столкновения заготовки со станком спасет только ваша голова, станок или какой либо датчик вам в этом не поможет. Потому как вы еще до станка напрасно потрудились.
У меня на станках нет никаких датчиков, помню все рабочие поля, и пока еще не одной погубленной заготовки по этой причине.
Если у вас GRBL и есть концевые датчики, тогда настройте софт лимиты, это кажется в настройках функция под 20 номером.
More than 2000doller machine name
When the spindle costs 2~3 times more than the actual machine...
Yep! :) But the actual machine for this spindle costs 2 ~ 3 times more than the same spindle
the spindle is basically a part of the machine
Ваш личный спор был с хозяином этого канала, а я к нему не имею отношение, th-cam.com/video/nFJBe8zHF4Q/w-d-xo.html
Спасибо за информацию. Это забавно, хоть к теме видеоролика не относится. Я изучу его творчество :)
Предлагаю ТОТ спор продолжить на том форуме.
На том форуме не получиться, там каждый мои пост ставят на модерацию, правят как им выгодно, или если не возможно смысл написанного изменить, просто удаляют.
Я с вами не спорил, если забыли напомню.
К теме видеоролика очень даже относиться, я дал вам ссылки на форумы, где бы вы могли быстрее понять свою проблему с фрезеровкой акрила. Первая проблема как раз был не жесткости системы вашего станка, который в этом видеоролике аж ЯВНО видно.
Ну и потом никакого смысла в том форуме с нелепым человеком спорить, к слову это не про вас.
Ок! Интересно Ваше мнение по жесткости. Я считал, что его основная проблема - сочетание ведущего винта Т8 и безлюфтовой гайки. А Вы как видите его проблемы?
Как раз в тех "профессиональных" форумах и есть, все ответы на ваши текущие и будущие вопросы, мои ответ в данном формате можно натянуть на несколько страниц. Потому считайте те ссылки мои ответ на ваш вопрос, как вам Мереседес сказал - откройте и почитайте, там все есть. А в форуме из 3-х участников получит достоверное сведение почти не выполнимая задача, в ближайшем будущем.
Where we can buy the bracket spindle S4225-B24?
Hi!
This is a custom product. We already discussed below and I published the model: th-cam.com/video/aSBFcjPTMqQ/w-d-xo.html&lc=Ugwplh1LXFj2K79D67d4AaABAg