I think you have something on your channel set as private. I was going to try to share this video and tagged you on my TH-cam channel but your name does not come up as available for tagging
Actually after hearing what it cost to own a plane, the maintenance, and figuring out other expenses, it's not that expensive at all. Nice video, thank you.
I have been an owner since 1981 and know your passion. Good for you. Sometimes it’s not just about the money. I have a book full of memories and adventures. Can’t put a price on that. Love your Chanel, huge respect for the professional way you present it.
An oil analysis at each oil change is a small investment that can really tell you about the state of the engine. The TBO is a recommendation, and at least anecdotally an engine is more likely to fail shortly after a major service than after 100's or thousands of hours of running well. If you keep up with the maintenance and the health of your engine is showing as good, you can easily go beyond TBO. That of course is a personal decision.
Great video! mixing the joy of ownership with the reality of the costs. I'm training in a Cirrus SR-20 and love it. I'm thinking I'd like to buy a SR-22T as I finish getting my PPL and move into IFR with my plane. My mission is business and pleasure. Traveling from the Austin, Tx area to Florida, other SE states and then west to Az, Colorado with an occasional trip to California. In the process of gathering costs, and doing analysis. My target is a G3 SR-22T. Now I need to establish the "real" cost so that I can plot and plan!
Bought a ‘46 Champ in 2014, a relatively inexpensive plane for those not familiar and I absolutely love ownership for the reasons you’ve stated. Of course almost nobody rents Champs so buying was essential to be able to regularly fly a Champ. By the way though I live/operate in NJ, I learned to fly Champs down the road from you in Waynesville at Red Stewart Airfield-love that place and those folks! (They do rent their Champs for local flights.) One other cost is the pre-buy (I brought in Paul Workman from Ohio to do mine-such an expert on fabric taildraggers!). I highly recommend taildragger flying! A marvelous challenge and with a ‘46 Champ, a trip into the past.
I would love to get into more taildragger flying!! I received my endorsement last fall in a Cub but am hoping to eventually transition to a taildragger of some sort. I am very familiar with the Red Stewart airfield in Waynesville!! I received my spin training there!! We were also fortunate to be able to attend one of the very few "air shows" there over Labor Day weekend. Such a treat these days!! :)
haha "the cost of freedom" I feel you're pain, I try not to put these numbers on paper too much keeps me as a fellow aircraft owner in a constant state of bliss. Although there will be a day of reckoning when the engine overhaul or paint and fabric bill comes in lol! Great channel by the way!
I think you ought to keep your plane and here's the reason why, towards the last part of your video when you were describing how much you love your plane the look in your eyes, the expression on your face and the way you said it, I can feel the love coming through your video and I know what that feels like. Now this is not quite the same but, I'm a truck driver I own and operate my own truck for the last 18 years. My first truck that I ever had and I love that truck, I babied that truck and that truck took care of me and my family. So I understand that feeling that you're having. I want a vehicle that every time I put the key in the ignition to start it, im happy, satisfied and very pleased. I don't want no settle for because I won't be happy with it. That's what I'm sensing from you about your airplane and to me, that is what it's all about. I say put the money into it, keep it and keep enjoy the hell out of it because I'm a tell you something, trust me, everything shiny ain't gold baby. Enjoyed your video stay safe and happy Happy flying Ms. Lady.
I have always dreamed of owning an airplane. We should not look cost of ownership. We only twice, once for your dreams and once for your self. Keep your dreams alive!
Excellent overview with total candor. In the end, without a good business purpose, and as great as ownership can be, it is often hard to justify the expense.
Great video and good honest info. Didn’t realize an engine overhaul was that expensive, wow! Might need to finance that if you don’t want to put down the cash..then continue enjoying the plane and/or sell it when you’re ready.
I have owned my Arrow coming up on a year, this is the first I have heard of paying extortion to the state of Ohio. It was in annual from late October to late January so it came to Ohio in January. It had been 17 years since it had a legal annual. My annual was just under $40,000 (forty thousand) with zero engine work or radios, only added ADSB transponder for just $10,000 and LED lighting for $4,700.
@@flyGIRLKelley It has an engine mod, that I love, high compression pistons in a bored out 360. Still an IO 360 just high compression 390 cylinders. The paperwork says IO 360 C1C. My instructor and I took off from KLCK left gear down because of long runway. We were asked to turn so a 747 could take off, we did. On our way home I could not get the speed I wanted. I pushed the power up. Got in the yellow with the gear down. That engine will go. I have an excuse, that was my first landing in 32 years, I can no longer get a medical but my wife is a pilot and future S-I-L is getting his license . My instructor is now flying jets so we’ll just call it a moment for him. So far no problems at all, great plane, everyone who has flown it loves it. I worked for 20 years in the airline industry and my Arrow is the equivalent of one of our Boeings coming out of D-Check, I expected a lot of problems but have had zero. I sent the state $60, see if I get in trouble.
@@flyGIRLKelley Thanks! I'm definitely learning maintenance. Which is why I was so glad I did the annual with my A&P. He showed me a ton and let me get my hands dirty. Take care and hope to see you at Oshkosh or sun and fun.
Thanks Flygirl! I like your style 😎 I'm the same way "everyone is trying to take from pocket🙄" but I'm still looking out for the best next thing...within reason 😃
Honest assessment. I am prepping for my check ride and I am debating to purchase an airplane. Mainly, to finish my IFR and commerical thinking it would be more cost effective. Fly safe, miss!
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Nashville Native here! Thank you for the video and “re”inspiring me to finish my PPL. curious how much the plane you got goes for? Would love to have a nice plane like that. Thanks for your time and doing this!
Airplanes are currently selling at a premium!! It is definitely a sellers market! This airplane has more bells and whistles than necessary to time build. I've since sold it. It was a great airplane! It sold for close to $200,000. Like I said, more expensive than necessary. If I had to do it again, my first airplane would've been less elaborate. Buy something very simple and basic until you get through training and then decide what you really want from an airplane. :)
Interesting. I'm following the same basic path as you. I'm just finishing up my private and I bought an airplane with the intention of using it to get my instrument rating. I hope it works out as well for me as it seems to have for you.
@@flyGIRLKelley TBH, I wish I'd bought the airplane sooner. When I talked to my buddy who already has his private certificate, he suggested it. But I was too intimidated to dive in that deep.
Re: new engine or new airplane, those prices sound like factory new/factory reman. Have you checked what the cost would be for a rebuilt engine from a reputable service center? It can be substantially less.
me: I don't know whether I should buy a plane or not YT algorithm: *shows this video* me: hmmm I'm still not sure YT algorithm: *next video: "The reality of owning your own airplane" by Airplane Academy* me: I dunno man, I -- YT algorithm: *next video: "You Should Buy a Plane" by Max Maxwell* me: oh alright then you've convinced me
Seeing what you have accomplished to reach your goal and follow your Dream, has got to be so rewarding, especially when you are with friends and best of all the people's life paths that you cross in this lifetime. Life is short and you have to really enjoy each and every day. Congratulations, My Hat is off to you, Have Fun be safe.
Your Piper looks like a beautiful aircraft. I had a couple of questions. What year is it? How would you compare it to the C172? I like both and I am curious what you think. Thanks for the video,. it was helpful!
It was a 2006. I loved it! There are pros and cons to low wings vs high wings. I felt like it was more stable than a 172 but the visibility below you is limited whereas the visibility above you is limited in a 172. It could also be problematic to get in and out of because there is only one door, on the right side. For someone who is taller or has limited mobility, it would be more challenging to get situated.
@@flyGIRLKelley I’m starting flight training next week. Not sure if it will be in a 172 or Piper. The school uses both. I’m 6’1”. Maybe I should request the 172. It was comfortable when I was in the left seat. I guess I’ll know shortly. It sounds like you have a different plane now?
@@bobbellis3007 I did sell that airplane and have been without a plane for a while. My boyfriend and I are preparing to build an RV-14A, which is an experimental, home-built airplane. We ordered it last year. :)
You look like a good pilot owner Operator of a good aircraft like Some others U have some nice open choices Aircraft like other machines n devices may need certain Maintenance up keep from time to time to perform well U could keep it n maintain it U could rent or lease it U could put on market 4 sale as is U could trade in 4 a different aircraft Of u're liking.... choice Best luck Haider
You're Southern! You'll figure it out! I like that you kept some of your accent to liven up Cincinnatti. I have been wanting to find a suitable aircraft to leaseback to an FBO, and your video has given me some food for thought. There's a small airport close to me that has one runway long enough for a bizjet. It would be convenient for me to learn to fly out of that airport, but I need to talk to the folks at that flight school and see if there's a way for us to help each other out. This is the first TH-cam video of yours that I've seen. I've been following you on Instagram for awhile. I look forward to watching more of your adventures and advice. Keep it Southern! Thanks from N. Carolina.
Before you lease back your plane, talk to AOPA for advice--they are super helpful. You'll have to insure it for business use ($4000) rather than personal use ($1200), pay a CPA with aviation knowledge (not easy to find) to do your taxes (not sure, maybe $400/hr) plus do 100hr maintenance in addition to the annuals, plus cover the additional maintenance from greater use, and maybe incorporate it in case some bozo hurts someone with it so your assets will be safe after the law suits. Generally, you'll need it leased back 35hr/mon for 12 mons just to cover the added cost of the leaseback over owning. That's not easy. Great video by the way. I want to get a plane when I finish PPL but am scared of the costs. Your annuals seemed high unless lots of things were getting replaced. Maybe the glass cockpit makes it high? Another important cost is fuel. 10g/hr at $5.50/gal over 100hr/yr is $5500. That should be biggest part of the expense. IMHO, its hard to justify ownership; however, if your expenses are okay (college savings for kids are funded, if you have them, your retirement is funded, you have cash reserves for a year in case you lose your job, your credit cards are paid off every month) then keep the plane. Else... think about selling it outright or partnering with someone. But then its not yours any longer, and there inevitably will be conflicts about who gets it when and how much maintenance to do. Tough decision. Wish you luck. Keep safe.
Pretty much same story for me. Visit family down in Florida and I went for the Archer 2. I love that we can just jump in and go. Nat check out TH-cam for the oil change. Pretty easy and fun :) The only thing I would wish for on my Archer would be speed. Juuuuuuuuuuust a touch faster would be nice. As always thanks for the vids , I can really relate to this one.
I would recommend asking around, getting information from a local airplane maintenance shop to see what they know about the maintenance expenses, annual cost on that particular airplane; find out hangar costs; look for an online group of Bellenca Viking owners and ask questions. Also, call or send an email to an aviation insurance agent with the airplane specifics and they can give you a quote for insurance. You can get answers pretty quick from all of these locations.
Thank you for your patience Mark! The transition was pretty easy for me. You'll have a different sight picture but will be accustomed to it within a few flights. A low wing feels more stable to me. You have great visibility above wing now, but the view is different looking out the window because there will be a wing below you!!
Just saw this video and not sure if you decided on what to do. It would be hard to sell needing an engine overhaul. I say keep it and maybe help the A&P/IA do the work to cut costs. I know you can do your own oil changes too to cut costs as well.
Thanks for the vid. I am just starting the private pilot journey. But have been looking at a purchase sometime in the future. None of the costs really bother me except the costs of the annual. For some reason forking out $3-$5000 every 12 months seems like a deal breaker vis a vis airplane ownership. Thanks. Good vid.
If you have a general idea of what type of plane you're interested in, you can always call a shop and ask for quotes on a typical annual for that particular airplane. They each differ.
You love your plane, you have it set up the way you want, the Archer is a great plane, I would go with the new engine. That would realy make you smile. You are blessed !
Just found your channel... just heard you say you're in Cincinnati, I live near Harrison and am starting my journey to get my PPL. I'm planning on going to Cincy West for my flight training. I would love to own my own plane at some point... maybe I'll pick your brain on it in the future... or maybe I'll just buy yours if you sell it 😆
That's exciting! I've been to Cincy West a couple of times. I did sell my plane, not too long after the video was made. I'm actually in the beginning stages of building a new Van's RV-14! :). I hope your training goes well and I'm always happy to answer any questions you might have! If Cincy West doesn't meet your training needs, I can offer some other suggestions.
Hi Flygirl Kelly -- there are quite a few hidden costs involved when it comes to owning a plane. I would be interested as to how some of these costs could be kept to a minimum (build your own hangar next to your house). Also, it would have been useful to tabulate these costs and show us the Table, so we can mull the figures over. Sorry to hear that the engine to your plane needs a thorough overhaul. $30 k to $40 k is quite steep! You could buy a small aircraft for that amount. Where does the average person get that from? Trading the markets? Flying commercially? Ever thought of a STOL aircraft Kelly? The sort of plane you could take off from your backyard in? Why be shackled to a runway when you can be absolutely free? Anyway, I like your style Kelly.
@@flyGIRLKelley Kelly, one STOL bush-plane took off after 2.5 ft with brakes applied to the wheels. That has to be a vertical take-off. If ever there were civil unrest in the US, you would have to make it to the airport to get out. That's another hoop as far as I am concerned. Look at the mad scramble in Kabul. Many didn't make it out. In my mind you've got to be able to exit whenever you want to, even when the military close the roads and airports. Best to be able to take off at night, fly as low as is safely possible and exit the hot zone. You need at least a 4-seater to be able to exit with your loved ones. Think about it. Keep safe!
If you love it, Keep it!!! If it were me and I loved my plane and know everything little thing about it, I would not want to buy something that an owner wants to unload for the same reason. If you have a top level aircraft shop rebuild your engine and prop (~36k) it will give you years of continued enjoyment.
Hi Kelley. My opinion FWIW, if your mission has changed or you need a faster aeroplane, more capacity, whatever, then look for something else. If not, you have a lovely machine that you know like the back of your hand, with excellent glass and avionics, highly capable and relatively new. The engine overhaul, though expensive at the time, will turn your newish machine with a tired engine into a newish machine with a new engine. I still regret selling my beloved Glasair, you may experience the same getting rid of your Archer. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jim.
sactu1 Thanks Jim! I appreciate your thoughts. I am interested in buying something that will go faster and that I could learn aerobatics in...so, I’m trying to prioritize.
Ditto all your comments. Although my first annual was a whopping $15K! Oh well. Anyway, I would sell the plane and buy another one (tail dragger since that's what you want) and pimp that for a while. Life is short. Live it!
I would think letting your experience and flight training speak for itself. If they know you're learning a lot and are a good student, they will grow to trust you. Some people are just terrified of flying, especially in small airplanes. You may not be able to cure that!
If you're not already a Mike Busch fan, read his columns, listen to his podcasts, or read his books. Offers real insight into engine maintenance and TBO.
Thank you Eric. I'm familiar with him but admit I haven't read much of his stuff or listened to podcasts. The problem is that there are only 24 hours in a day!!! Hahahaha! I need more time to watch/listen/learn from all of these people with more knowledge and experience!
@@flyGIRLKelley He argues pretty effectively that TBO is a pretty meaningless number, and you should view performing certain maintenance like performing surgery -- there are risks associated with the procedure itself. Basically, If you're taking care of your engine (oil changes, running CHTs
An oil change analysis will give you a real picture of how you're engine's running. As Eric said, if an engine failure is going to happen, it's typically shortly after a major service as opposed to an engine that has been running well for years.
I am currently working toward my private cert. and looking at getting a plane. Your information is great. I too want a plane to visit family. I live in Tennessee and they are in South Carolina. I have an airplane in mind but can’t get insurance because I am just a student.
Hello Kelly, If you love flying....then just KeeP On FlYing....From your Video I can see just how much that you really enjoy flying and owning your own plane....just keep on flying.!! Oh,,,,And by the way....We are practially neighbors... Steven Anthony Capizzi Columbus, OHIO USA....LMAO
I actually bought an RV-8A! I love it but have had several issues with this particular one, unfortunately. I have several friends who own RV's so I'm not giving up on it!!
I actually did sell it back in February! It sold in 2 days!! I do miss her sometimes!! Piper Archers are great airplane and many flight school and instructors swipe them up when they go up for sale. Good luck!
I am just starting to think about getting my Private Pilots License and we were thinking of buying a plane to use for training as well as for afterwards. I was going to use tie down but also live in Cincinnati so may have to rethink that lol Either way Thank you this video was helpful and cannot wait to share with my wife.
Tiedowns and the cold is not in and of itself that bad. Just dress for the weather (layers). My issue in northern WI is all the snow. I don't want it sitting on the wings. we can get 2ft of wet snow overnight, don't want that on my wings. In AZ, at the flight school we left the planes tied down outside all year. Some airports also offered overhear cover, like at a gas station, as a cheaper alternative to a hangar. You tend to see this in warmer states.
Thanks for making this. Its quite helpful and I really appreciate it. With that said, I think in one way your wrong-- you DO have to be rich to own an airplane-- or you have to go into a lot of debt. Im going to read between the lines and assume you arent "rich". You probably spent 80-100k on the plane. With a 20 year loan, thats around $500/month. $400/mo for your annual (assuming a 5k repair). 50/mo for XM. 100/mo for your garmin subscription... that comes out to $1050/month + oil + fuel + money for those random life things. Before you know it, thats very nearly a mortgage payment every month. I dont know many poor or middle class people who can easily afford 2 mortgages-- certainly not for something that isnt likely to make you money. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying your the evil rich person, its just you've helped make it abundantly clear, unless your making a lot of money, owning your own plane just isnt going to happen.
Sometimes, people can cut back on other expenditures to make it happen. For me, it's eating out, shopping, salon visits, etc. It is an expensive hobby that not everyone can afford. That is the truth, but it can be possible for many if they budget for it correctly and give up some other hobbies, expenses, luxuries, etc.
people who are tight on money shouldn't be buying an 80-100k airplane. Not keeping the plane IFR current/capable is a big cost saver too. A basic VFR airplane supplemented with an iPad can be very effective for most people. The key is planning ahead for annuals and maintenance, as well as the eventual overhaul. But if you put a portion of money away per flight hour, it isn't so hard to account for. Also, experimental airplanes can save on maintenance and overhaul too, if you're willing to do your own work.
Curious if you use an app like Coflyt for managing maintenance, etc. Hoping to begin my plan ownership journey in the next year. Finishing my PPC now (checkride soon). I have been looking at C182T and I like the cost of the Archer 3 with all the upgrades compared to others. Do you find it to be a true 4-seat aircraft though? - that is critical criteria for me. I have tried to look for aircraft with at least a 1,000 - 1,100 lb. useful load and 650nm range. Great video.
That's exciting!! A new airplane! I just started using PlaneLogix, which is a program that helps keep up with the maintenance. As far as the Archer, I loved my Archer but it would not be able to carry 4 adults. It's more of a 2 adult, 2 small children airplane. The 182 may be a better fit if you need to be able to carry heavier passengers. I hope this is helpful! Thank you for reaching out!
So basically like owning a car, times 20 on everything from responsibility to cost. But totally 20 times better. Our country just opened up international flights after 6 months of being in ridiculously hard lock down... I've been monitoring ADSB and watching small aircraft fly where and as they please with envy... I didn't even really consider airplane ownership as a possibility, mainly due to the perceived costs, but also greatly due to the risk and the fact that I don't even trust myself servicing my own car, hell with daily blackouts I can't even be bothered to set the clock on my microwave.... but then I read that Elon Musk's grandparents flew all over and took them on plane camping trips... what a way to inspire people to reach for more. Who knows, maybe when I turn 60 I will build or buy my own plane too... and fly Africa flat... and blog about real life things here. Scary statistic is that more than half of our continent is under 18, and they are in desperate need of good role models. Thanks so much for sharing!
Wow! Thank you for sharing. It sounds like YOU are a great role model and can continue to motivate others to keep dreaming and believing that your dreams can become a reality one day. I wish you the best! Keep in touch Coenraad!
Buy a plane... Once you do that you will find a way to afford it. I have a kidney for sale but the way if anyone is looking.
I think you have something on your channel set as private. I was going to try to share this video and tagged you on my TH-cam channel but your name does not come up as available for tagging
Did you sell your kidney yet? I know a pilot who lives in my building who has his lungs for sale.
I’m not a pilot and have no intention of becoming one. I’m simply fascinated by planes. And this lady is terrific.
Thank you!!
Actually after hearing what it cost to own a plane, the maintenance, and figuring out other expenses, it's not that expensive at all. Nice video, thank you.
I have been an owner since 1981 and know your passion. Good for you. Sometimes it’s not just about the money. I have a book full of memories and adventures. Can’t put a price on that. Love your Chanel, huge respect for the professional way you present it.
Thank you Wayne!!!
I personally cannot buy a plane but I was glad to listen to the pros and cons in the video, well done.
Thanks for the breakdown! My wife and I are talking about ownership as an option and this is good information for the both of us.
I'm glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this video. I am just starting my flying journey. Hope all is well.
You're welcome. I hope it's helpful. Glad to hear you're flying!!
Great video with excellent content! Thank you for this important information. A+
Thank you!!! :)
An oil analysis at each oil change is a small investment that can really tell you about the state of the engine. The TBO is a recommendation, and at least anecdotally an engine is more likely to fail shortly after a major service than after 100's or thousands of hours of running well. If you keep up with the maintenance and the health of your engine is showing as good, you can easily go beyond TBO. That of course is a personal decision.
I need to have an oil analysis done on my new airplane. Where do you send yours?
@@flyGIRLKelley I've always used Blackstone.
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@@channell11 Thank you so much!!!!
Thanks always great content
love this im thinking about buying one my self but i have no clue what im getting into!
It is a learning process. Try to enjoy the journey and take your time. You will find the right airplane!
Love the letter board behind you! “Inhale Courage, Exhale Fear.” I never thought of using Tonglen before flying.
I love quotes!!
Im an A and P with my IA and im telling you lady! Someone is ripping you off on your maintenance!! Take it to a different shop
Ugh! That's good to know. It's so hard to know where to take it and who to trust!
Butler Co.? Well I guess that's not in the Czech Republic...
That's what I said.
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Great video! mixing the joy of ownership with the reality of the costs. I'm training in a Cirrus SR-20 and love it. I'm thinking I'd like to buy a SR-22T as I finish getting my PPL and move into IFR with my plane. My mission is business and pleasure. Traveling from the Austin, Tx area to Florida, other SE states and then west to Az, Colorado with an occasional trip to California. In the process of gathering costs, and doing analysis. My target is a G3 SR-22T. Now I need to establish the "real" cost so that I can plot and plan!
Good luck Scott! I am confident you will own your dream plane!! That's a great choice. Budget, budget, budget, right?!?
I think you're my twin, except I'm a year behind you and up north... Good luck on your ventures and hope it works out for us both!
Great video. Straight forward, educational and concise. Thank you!
Bought a ‘46 Champ in 2014, a relatively inexpensive plane for those not familiar and I absolutely love ownership for the reasons you’ve stated. Of course almost nobody rents Champs so buying was essential to be able to regularly fly a Champ. By the way though I live/operate in NJ, I learned to fly Champs down the road from you in Waynesville at Red Stewart Airfield-love that place and those folks! (They do rent their Champs for local flights.) One other cost is the pre-buy (I brought in Paul Workman from Ohio to do mine-such an expert on fabric taildraggers!). I highly recommend taildragger flying! A marvelous challenge and with a ‘46 Champ, a trip into the past.
I would love to get into more taildragger flying!! I received my endorsement last fall in a Cub but am hoping to eventually transition to a taildragger of some sort. I am very familiar with the Red Stewart airfield in Waynesville!! I received my spin training there!! We were also fortunate to be able to attend one of the very few "air shows" there over Labor Day weekend. Such a treat these days!! :)
You are absolutely adorable. Made me smile. Lots. I'll be looking for more of your stuff. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you!
haha "the cost of freedom" I feel you're pain, I try not to put these numbers on paper too much keeps me as a fellow aircraft owner in a constant state of bliss. Although there will be a day of reckoning when the engine overhaul or paint and fabric bill comes in lol! Great channel by the way!
I think you ought to keep your plane and here's the reason why, towards the last part of your video when you were describing how much you love your plane the look in your eyes, the expression on your face and the way you said it, I can feel the love coming through your video and I know what that feels like.
Now this is not quite the same but, I'm a truck driver I own and operate my own truck for the last 18 years. My first truck that I ever had and I love that truck, I babied that truck and that truck took care of me and my family. So I understand that feeling that you're having.
I want a vehicle that every time I put the key in the ignition to start it, im happy, satisfied and very pleased. I don't want no settle for because I won't be happy with it. That's what I'm sensing from you about your airplane and to me, that is what it's all about. I say put the money into it, keep it and keep enjoy the hell out of it because I'm a tell you something, trust me, everything shiny ain't gold baby.
Enjoyed your video stay safe and happy Happy flying Ms. Lady.
Thank you!!
I did my PPL training on that exact plane with the same avionics! Such an awesome setup!
I have always dreamed of owning an airplane. We should not look cost of ownership. We only twice, once for your dreams and once for your self. Keep your dreams alive!
Excellent overview with total candor. In the end, without a good business purpose, and as great as ownership can be, it is often hard to justify the expense.
Thank you for giving the details.
This is the perfect video for me as I begin deciding
Great video and good honest info. Didn’t realize an engine overhaul was that expensive, wow! Might need to finance that if you don’t want to put down the cash..then continue enjoying the plane and/or sell it when you’re ready.
I have owned my Arrow coming up on a year, this is the first I have heard of paying extortion to the state of Ohio. It was in annual from late October to late January so it came to Ohio in January. It had been 17 years since it had a legal annual. My annual was just under $40,000 (forty thousand) with zero engine work or radios, only added ADSB transponder for just $10,000 and LED lighting for $4,700.
😱That's crazy! Hopefully, it's in perfect condition now and you will be putting lots of fun hours on it for years to come!
@@flyGIRLKelley
It has an engine mod, that I love, high compression pistons in a bored out 360. Still an IO 360 just high compression 390 cylinders. The paperwork says IO 360 C1C.
My instructor and I took off from KLCK left gear down because of long runway. We were asked to turn so a 747 could take off, we did. On our way home I could not get the speed I wanted. I pushed the power up. Got in the yellow with the gear down. That engine will go. I have an excuse, that was my first landing in 32 years, I can no longer get a medical but my wife is a pilot and future S-I-L is getting his license . My instructor is now flying jets so we’ll just call it a moment for him.
So far no problems at all, great plane, everyone who has flown it loves it.
I worked for 20 years in the airline industry and my Arrow is the equivalent of one of our Boeings coming out of D-Check, I expected a lot of problems but have had zero.
I sent the state $60, see if I get in trouble.
I just bought my first....a 1961 Piper Colt. It's tiny, slow and very very green!! And I love it!
This makes me smile! You will learn to much as an airplane owner!! Good for you!
@@flyGIRLKelley Thanks! I'm definitely learning maintenance. Which is why I was so glad I did the annual with my A&P. He showed me a ton and let me get my hands dirty. Take care and hope to see you at Oshkosh or sun and fun.
@@neskyz4259 I am planning to go to Sun n Fun, if it's not canceled!!
@@flyGIRLKelley I hope I can make it as well. Will you have a booth?
@@neskyz4259 I will not have a booth. The Sporty's tent will be offering flyGIRL products!!
Thanks Flygirl!
I like your style 😎 I'm the same way "everyone is trying to take from pocket🙄" but I'm still looking out for the best next thing...within reason 😃
Honest assessment. I am prepping for my check ride and I am debating to purchase an airplane. Mainly, to finish my IFR and commerical thinking it would be more cost effective. Fly safe, miss!
Good luck in your decision!
Great video! Thanks for putting this together.
Great job, thank you for sharing! Very informative.
Thanks for the info. Very informative. Can’t wait to own my airplane!
I work For A Company called "Americoat Asphalt & Concrete ". And we have done many jobs in and around Cincinnati. It's really nice there...I liked our stay....I am a Semi Truck Driver for my company....I deliver materials to various jobsites in Ohio....and out of ohio too,,,my company will travel anywhere in the United States to preform work. We Install Brand New Asphalt Parking lots...." BIG ONES " and small ones too....Along with Concrete curbing and flat work as well.
Thanks....Steven
How did you justify the cost of traveling via your plane vs the lesser cost of commercial flights? Struggling with this one
Mostly because I was also trying to build flight hours so it wasn't necessarily about the most economical way to travel. :)
Nashville Native here! Thank you for the video and “re”inspiring me to finish my PPL. curious how much the plane you got goes for? Would love to have a nice plane like that. Thanks for your time and doing this!
Airplanes are currently selling at a premium!! It is definitely a sellers market! This airplane has more bells and whistles than necessary to time build. I've since sold it. It was a great airplane! It sold for close to $200,000. Like I said, more expensive than necessary. If I had to do it again, my first airplane would've been less elaborate. Buy something very simple and basic until you get through training and then decide what you really want from an airplane. :)
@@flyGIRLKelley fantastic advice. Greatly appreciate your time. Let the hunt begin!!
Interesting. I'm following the same basic path as you. I'm just finishing up my private and I bought an airplane with the intention of using it to get my instrument rating. I hope it works out as well for me as it seems to have for you.
That is a great plan and I would recommend it if you can afford it. :)
@@flyGIRLKelley TBH, I wish I'd bought the airplane sooner. When I talked to my buddy who already has his private certificate, he suggested it. But I was too intimidated to dive in that deep.
@@1dullgeek Well. You have one now! So, enjoy it!! :)
Great Message - thanks for sharing!
Re: new engine or new airplane, those prices sound like factory new/factory reman. Have you checked what the cost would be for a rebuilt engine from a reputable service center? It can be substantially less.
I have not but would absolutely consider that as an option before buying a whole new engine! Thank you!
me: I don't know whether I should buy a plane or not
YT algorithm: *shows this video*
me: hmmm I'm still not sure
YT algorithm: *next video: "The reality of owning your own airplane" by Airplane Academy*
me: I dunno man, I --
YT algorithm: *next video: "You Should Buy a Plane" by Max Maxwell*
me: oh alright then you've convinced me
Hahaha! Good luck with your decision!
Seeing what you have accomplished to reach your goal and follow your Dream, has got to be so rewarding, especially when you are with friends and best of all the people's life paths that you cross in this lifetime. Life is short and you have to really enjoy each and every day. Congratulations, My Hat is off to you, Have Fun be safe.
Thanks Dave!
Your Piper looks like a beautiful aircraft. I had a couple of questions. What year is it? How would you compare it to the C172? I like both and I am curious what you think. Thanks for the video,. it was helpful!
It was a 2006. I loved it! There are pros and cons to low wings vs high wings. I felt like it was more stable than a 172 but the visibility below you is limited whereas the visibility above you is limited in a 172. It could also be problematic to get in and out of because there is only one door, on the right side. For someone who is taller or has limited mobility, it would be more challenging to get situated.
@@flyGIRLKelley I’m starting flight training next week. Not sure if it will be in a 172 or Piper. The school uses both. I’m 6’1”. Maybe I should request the 172. It was comfortable when I was in the left seat. I guess I’ll know shortly.
It sounds like you have a different plane now?
@@bobbellis3007 I did sell that airplane and have been without a plane for a while. My boyfriend and I are preparing to build an RV-14A, which is an experimental, home-built airplane. We ordered it last year. :)
@@flyGIRLKelley That should be a fun project. I ended up in the Cessna for my flight training. 😁
@@bobbellis3007 Nice! That's a great airplane!! I hope you enjoy many wonderful flight hours in it!
Great video!! I can’t wait to get mine!! 😀😀
You will love it!
You look like a good pilot owner
Operator of a good aircraft like
Some others
U have some nice open choices
Aircraft like other machines n devices may need certain
Maintenance up keep from time to time to perform well
U could keep it n maintain it
U could rent or lease it
U could put on market 4 sale as is
U could trade in 4 a different aircraft
Of u're liking.... choice
Best luck
Haider
You're Southern! You'll figure it out! I like that you kept some of your accent to liven up Cincinnatti. I have been wanting to find a suitable aircraft to leaseback to an FBO, and your video has given me some food for thought. There's a small airport close to me that has one runway long enough for a bizjet. It would be convenient for me to learn to fly out of that airport, but I need to talk to the folks at that flight school and see if there's a way for us to help each other out. This is the first TH-cam video of yours that I've seen. I've been following you on Instagram for awhile. I look forward to watching more of your adventures and advice. Keep it Southern! Thanks from N. Carolina.
Thank you!! And good luck in your search!!
Before you lease back your plane, talk to AOPA for advice--they are super helpful. You'll have to insure it for business use ($4000) rather than personal use ($1200), pay a CPA with aviation knowledge (not easy to find) to do your taxes (not sure, maybe $400/hr) plus do 100hr maintenance in addition to the annuals, plus cover the additional maintenance from greater use, and maybe incorporate it in case some bozo hurts someone with it so your assets will be safe after the law suits. Generally, you'll need it leased back 35hr/mon for 12 mons just to cover the added cost of the leaseback over owning. That's not easy.
Great video by the way. I want to get a plane when I finish PPL but am scared of the costs. Your annuals seemed high unless lots of things were getting replaced. Maybe the glass cockpit makes it high? Another important cost is fuel. 10g/hr at $5.50/gal over 100hr/yr is $5500. That should be biggest part of the expense.
IMHO, its hard to justify ownership; however, if your expenses are okay (college savings for kids are funded, if you have them, your retirement is funded, you have cash reserves for a year in case you lose your job, your credit cards are paid off every month) then keep the plane. Else... think about selling it outright or partnering with someone. But then its not yours any longer, and there inevitably will be conflicts about who gets it when and how much maintenance to do. Tough decision. Wish you luck. Keep safe.
@@fr2958 Thank you!!
Great video on ac ownership! Thanks!
Thank you!
Pretty much same story for me. Visit family down in Florida and I went for the Archer 2. I love that we can just jump in and go. Nat check out TH-cam for the oil change. Pretty easy and fun :) The only thing I would wish for on my Archer would be speed. Juuuuuuuuuuust a touch faster would be nice. As always thanks for the vids , I can really relate to this one.
Piper Pilot “I feel the need, the need for speed!” More speed would be nice. I think I’d enjoy an RV-8....
flyGIRL Kelley Lol. Too funny I’m in the exact position. Just a tad faster for my Fla trips.
I’m looking to buy a bellenca Viking. My biggest scare is cost. I have so many questions.
I would recommend asking around, getting information from a local airplane maintenance shop to see what they know about the maintenance expenses, annual cost on that particular airplane; find out hangar costs; look for an online group of Bellenca Viking owners and ask questions. Also, call or send an email to an aviation insurance agent with the airplane specifics and they can give you a quote for insurance. You can get answers pretty quick from all of these locations.
Just got my PPL and learned in a 172 as well. How was the transition from the high wing to low wing?
Thank you for your patience Mark! The transition was pretty easy for me. You'll have a different sight picture but will be accustomed to it within a few flights. A low wing feels more stable to me. You have great visibility above wing now, but the view is different looking out the window because there will be a wing below you!!
Come to Miami hanger is $900 a month😭
Whoa!! That is expensive!! Yikes!😱
I loved my Cherokee Crusier
Loved? Is it resting in peace?
love your candour. if it flies or floats it costs!! thanks.
Just saw this video and not sure if you decided on what to do. It would be hard to sell needing an engine overhaul. I say keep it and maybe help the A&P/IA do the work to cut costs. I know you can do your own oil changes too to cut costs as well.
Yes. Yes I do.
Thanks for the vid. I am just starting the private pilot journey. But have been looking at a purchase sometime in the future. None of the costs really bother me except the costs of the annual. For some reason forking out $3-$5000 every 12 months seems like a deal breaker vis a vis airplane ownership.
Thanks. Good vid.
If you have a general idea of what type of plane you're interested in, you can always call a shop and ask for quotes on a typical annual for that particular airplane. They each differ.
You love your plane, you have it set up the way you want, the Archer is a great plane, I would go with the new engine. That would realy make you smile. You are blessed !
Just found your channel... just heard you say you're in Cincinnati, I live near Harrison and am starting my journey to get my PPL. I'm planning on going to Cincy West for my flight training.
I would love to own my own plane at some point... maybe I'll pick your brain on it in the future... or maybe I'll just buy yours if you sell it 😆
That's exciting! I've been to Cincy West a couple of times. I did sell my plane, not too long after the video was made. I'm actually in the beginning stages of building a new Van's RV-14! :). I hope your training goes well and I'm always happy to answer any questions you might have! If Cincy West doesn't meet your training needs, I can offer some other suggestions.
Hi Flygirl Kelly -- there are quite a few hidden costs involved when it comes to owning a plane. I would be interested as to how some of these costs could be kept to a minimum (build your own hangar next to your house). Also, it would have been useful to tabulate these costs and show us the Table, so we can mull the figures over. Sorry to hear that the engine to your plane needs a thorough overhaul. $30 k to $40 k is quite steep! You could buy a small aircraft for that amount. Where does the average person get that from? Trading the markets? Flying commercially? Ever thought of a STOL aircraft Kelly? The sort of plane you could take off from your backyard in? Why be shackled to a runway when you can be absolutely free? Anyway, I like your style Kelly.
I would love a STOL airplane and I would love to have a grass strip runway next to my house! Maybe one day?? LOL
@@flyGIRLKelley Kelly, one STOL bush-plane took off after 2.5 ft with brakes applied to the wheels. That has to be a vertical take-off. If ever there were civil unrest in the US, you would have to make it to the airport to get out. That's another hoop as far as I am concerned. Look at the mad scramble in Kabul. Many didn't make it out. In my mind you've got to be able to exit whenever you want to, even when the military close the roads and airports. Best to be able to take off at night, fly as low as is safely possible and exit the hot zone. You need at least a 4-seater to be able to exit with your loved ones. Think about it. Keep safe!
Great video, I could tell you had some Tennessee roots with that BNA hat. I’m in Nashville
:). Awesome! Most of my family are still in the Nashville area. When visiting, I typically fly into Lebanon Municipal Airport.
flyGIRL Kelley That’s a nice little airport. I fly out of John Tune. I’ve consider buying an Archer, everyone that owns them loves them
If you love it, Keep it!!! If it were me and I loved my plane and know everything little thing about it, I would not want to buy something that an owner wants to unload for the same reason. If you have a top level aircraft shop rebuild your engine and prop (~36k) it will give you years of continued enjoyment.
Hi Kelley. My opinion FWIW, if your mission has changed or you need a faster aeroplane, more capacity, whatever, then look for something else. If not, you have a lovely machine that you know like the back of your hand, with excellent glass and avionics, highly capable and relatively new. The engine overhaul, though expensive at the time, will turn your newish machine with a tired engine into a newish machine with a new engine. I still regret selling my beloved Glasair, you may experience the same getting rid of your Archer. Hope this helps. Cheers, Jim.
sactu1 Thanks Jim! I appreciate your thoughts. I am interested in buying something that will go faster and that I could learn aerobatics in...so, I’m trying to prioritize.
That's a really nice looking plane. Thanks for sharing. I would want a plane with more seats. Your needs may vary.
Nice video!
farmgene Thank you!!!!
Ditto all your comments. Although my first annual was a whopping $15K! Oh well. Anyway, I would sell the plane and buy another one (tail dragger since that's what you want) and pimp that for a while. Life is short. Live it!
Johne Albanese That’s what I’m thinking John!! Thanks!
Did you keep or sell?
I sold it!!
Thank you so much! What are some tips on getting close family members on trusting you in the cockpit, lol?
I would think letting your experience and flight training speak for itself. If they know you're learning a lot and are a good student, they will grow to trust you. Some people are just terrified of flying, especially in small airplanes. You may not be able to cure that!
You are a VERY lucky Girl, Keep the Plane as long as you can I envy you I am a Disabled Vet. if I could I would have a plane. Love Life!!!
I am very fortunate and do my best to be appreciative each day!
If you're not already a Mike Busch fan, read his columns, listen to his podcasts, or read his books. Offers real insight into engine maintenance and TBO.
Thank you Eric. I'm familiar with him but admit I haven't read much of his stuff or listened to podcasts. The problem is that there are only 24 hours in a day!!! Hahahaha! I need more time to watch/listen/learn from all of these people with more knowledge and experience!
@@flyGIRLKelley He argues pretty effectively that TBO is a pretty meaningless number, and you should view performing certain maintenance like performing surgery -- there are risks associated with the procedure itself. Basically, If you're taking care of your engine (oil changes, running CHTs
Eric Meyer Thanks Eric! I’ll do a search for Mike!
@@EricMeyerMusic its that fine line, and insurance will use 'on onconditon' to deny a claim sometimes.....
An oil change analysis will give you a real picture of how you're engine's running. As Eric said, if an engine failure is going to happen, it's typically shortly after a major service as opposed to an engine that has been running well for years.
Thank you so much
you're so beautiful and smart!
Maybe one day you teach me how to fly
But you made my heart fly already..
Relatively inexpensively?
It's all relative, right? And, of course, it depends on your priorities with your personal, discretionary funds.
I am currently working toward my private cert. and looking at getting a plane. Your information is great. I too want a plane to visit family. I live in Tennessee and they are in South Carolina. I have an airplane in mind but can’t get insurance because I am just a student.
Good video u are awesome
Thank you!
Hello Kelly,
If you love flying....then just KeeP On FlYing....From your Video I can see just how much that you really enjoy flying and owning your own plane....just keep on flying.!! Oh,,,,And by the way....We are practially neighbors...
Steven Anthony Capizzi
Columbus, OHIO USA....LMAO
Hello neighbor!! Thank you for the comments!!
So how much does it cost monthly for everything broken down that way... 1000$ish
Great video, i like the plane.
Good for you. But WOW right now the prices are insano. At least for the Cherokee 180's. Hoping they go down after covid.
It is definitely a seller's market!!
I’m training in an Archer! 😁
Come visit Clay Lacy at Van Nuys. Best Piper in SoCal lives there.
Interesting to hear, thanx! +1 sub :)
What do you think of experimental planes?
I actually bought an RV-8A! I love it but have had several issues with this particular one, unfortunately. I have several friends who own RV's so I'm not giving up on it!!
Hi Kelley! If you decide to sell your plane let me know. Im about to start slight school and am interested in buying one that needs overhaul
I actually did sell it back in February! It sold in 2 days!! I do miss her sometimes!! Piper Archers are great airplane and many flight school and instructors swipe them up when they go up for sale. Good luck!
What do you do for a living that you can afford all of that? I would love to fly ... until I saw this video. I'm out. 😔
I am just starting to think about getting my Private Pilots License and we were thinking of buying a plane to use for training as well as for afterwards. I was going to use tie down but also live in Cincinnati so may have to rethink that lol Either way Thank you this video was helpful and cannot wait to share with my wife.
Fun! What airport are you closest to?
@@flyGIRLKelley We are in between Luken and Cincinnati West.
Tiedowns and the cold is not in and of itself that bad. Just dress for the weather (layers). My issue in northern WI is all the snow. I don't want it sitting on the wings. we can get 2ft of wet snow overnight, don't want that on my wings. In AZ, at the flight school we left the planes tied down outside all year. Some airports also offered overhear cover, like at a gas station, as a cheaper alternative to a hangar. You tend to see this in warmer states.
Now try flying a f-26 over 1000mph I’m in the RAF uk been in it for 35 yrs still going I’m a pilot god bless everyone
That's awesome! I flew with an RAF pilot in Colorado once. He was my instructor for a mountain flying course. Very knowledgeable, friendly, funny guy!
flyGIRL Kelley thank you very much ma’am have a wonderful day over in the uk raf we are still working but not as much to do lol
I want a Folland Gnat. Hello from Panama
Hello! That's a cool airplane!! Let me know if you ever buy one!! :)
Does your plain have a bathroom
Hahah! No. :)
Good video good aircraft
Haider
Haider a Khan
Solo pianist
Huntsville Alabama USA
February 2023
Hey thats my t45! Go vt 7!
How often in this $30k overhaul?
It is recommended about every 1500 hours for this particular airplane.
I enjoyed the information but the constant background music was very off putting.
It's not Expensive... it's CRAZY expensive!
It can be. You need to know what you're getting into, financially, before purchasing one to make certain you can afford it. :)
300 a month for hangar is cheap
I know it is very reasonable compared to other cities!
I was looking at a piper arrow recently i was curious how much you paid for yours with the glass cockpit. Or did you upgrade to that.
For an updated glass cockpit already installed, you could expect to pay $75K+
Thanks for making this. Its quite helpful and I really appreciate it. With that said, I think in one way your wrong-- you DO have to be rich to own an airplane-- or you have to go into a lot of debt. Im going to read between the lines and assume you arent "rich". You probably spent 80-100k on the plane. With a 20 year loan, thats around $500/month. $400/mo for your annual (assuming a 5k repair). 50/mo for XM. 100/mo for your garmin subscription... that comes out to $1050/month + oil + fuel + money for those random life things. Before you know it, thats very nearly a mortgage payment every month. I dont know many poor or middle class people who can easily afford 2 mortgages-- certainly not for something that isnt likely to make you money. Don't get me wrong, Im not saying your the evil rich person, its just you've helped make it abundantly clear, unless your making a lot of money, owning your own plane just isnt going to happen.
Sometimes, people can cut back on other expenditures to make it happen. For me, it's eating out, shopping, salon visits, etc. It is an expensive hobby that not everyone can afford. That is the truth, but it can be possible for many if they budget for it correctly and give up some other hobbies, expenses, luxuries, etc.
people who are tight on money shouldn't be buying an 80-100k airplane. Not keeping the plane IFR current/capable is a big cost saver too. A basic VFR airplane supplemented with an iPad can be very effective for most people. The key is planning ahead for annuals and maintenance, as well as the eventual overhaul. But if you put a portion of money away per flight hour, it isn't so hard to account for. Also, experimental airplanes can save on maintenance and overhaul too, if you're willing to do your own work.
You love your airplane. I love my house. I don't want to lose it for love of an airplane.
I don't want you to lose your house either!! Be smart and keep your priorities straight!
Curious if you use an app like Coflyt for managing maintenance, etc. Hoping to begin my plan ownership journey in the next year. Finishing my PPC now (checkride soon). I have been looking at C182T and I like the cost of the Archer 3 with all the upgrades compared to others. Do you find it to be a true 4-seat aircraft though? - that is critical criteria for me. I have tried to look for aircraft with at least a 1,000 - 1,100 lb. useful load and 650nm range. Great video.
That's exciting!! A new airplane! I just started using PlaneLogix, which is a program that helps keep up with the maintenance. As far as the Archer, I loved my Archer but it would not be able to carry 4 adults. It's more of a 2 adult, 2 small children airplane. The 182 may be a better fit if you need to be able to carry heavier passengers. I hope this is helpful! Thank you for reaching out!
Cirrus
I bought a Piper Dakota. Love it!
Goals
So basically like owning a car, times 20 on everything from responsibility to cost. But totally 20 times better. Our country just opened up international flights after 6 months of being in ridiculously hard lock down... I've been monitoring ADSB and watching small aircraft fly where and as they please with envy... I didn't even really consider airplane ownership as a possibility, mainly due to the perceived costs, but also greatly due to the risk and the fact that I don't even trust myself servicing my own car, hell with daily blackouts I can't even be bothered to set the clock on my microwave.... but then I read that Elon Musk's grandparents flew all over and took them on plane camping trips... what a way to inspire people to reach for more. Who knows, maybe when I turn 60 I will build or buy my own plane too... and fly Africa flat... and blog about real life things here. Scary statistic is that more than half of our continent is under 18, and they are in desperate need of good role models. Thanks so much for sharing!
Wow! Thank you for sharing. It sounds like YOU are a great role model and can continue to motivate others to keep dreaming and believing that your dreams can become a reality one day. I wish you the best! Keep in touch Coenraad!
You could sell half your plane to a partner. Would pay for the overhaul and then some 🤑
Do I want to buy an airplane. No! Been there, done that.
keep a plane of some kind. rent it out for $150.00 an hour.