Interest in this kind of knowledge has always waxed and waned throughout history. We've had many other periods when it was popular. The dawning of the "age of Aquarius" was written during another one of these eras. We had a surge of it in the 1980s too. It will always be around but if people are expecting a worldwide era of mass enlightenment, it isn't going to happen like that. It's sort of like Christians who believe Jesus will come down from the clouds and return for all to see in a great Second Coming and fulfill Biblical prophesy. It won't happen. Spirituality is ultimately an individual endeavor. Back to Jesus, even though he reached enlightenment in Christian lore, no one around him did. It's the same with the Buddha. He may have reached enlightenment and started a world religion, but there were not mass enlightenment around him. We are each a unique piece of God and so we will reach enlightenment in our own unique and individual way. Philosophy and religion and "gurus" can help along the way, but they can't take you over the finish line. You cross that line into enlightenment alone. That is my belief.
I first read Passion of the Western Mind in the spring of 1993. It was the perfect capstone to my major in philosophy. I read Cosmos and Psyche in 2007, and started noticing the accuracy of archetypal astrology. I studied with Richard Tarnas at CIIS in 2010, for a PhD in Philosophy and Religion, with a concentration in Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness. He is a scholar of the highest level carrying the Platonic torch heroically. My favorite lines: " "An initiation involves a dying to an old identity." (1:03:30) "I think of us being in a race between initiation and catastrophe." (1:29:12) He also talked about a "hyperskeptical black hole of subjectivity." (10:20) Ironically, I think the way out of that black hole of subjectivity it is to identify the subjective psyche with the singularity in the center of a black hole, in line with Jung's Leap Day equation, in 1952, of psychic energy and mass: "Psyche=highest intensity in the smallest space."
Tarnas is just so brilliant. I was so honoured to have met him some years ago, and also his daughter Becca who also does great work in depth psychology and archetypal astrology.
I had an experience recently of becoming a symbol and experiencing myself as being in the greater psyche. It was a flash but it changed me forever. This podcast is helping me unpack that moment.
Passion of the western mind, the best book I ever read and particularly appreciated the end segment on the post modern. How Richard had the insight concerning all this in the early 90's i'll never know as he seemed to have incredible prescience in how this would all play out. And here we are stuck right in the middle of this nihilistic chaos of relativism and disconnect and so thankful we had such great wisdom from Richard teaching us about our deep dilemma.
Part 1 was excellent. Now part 2 yea!!! You have no idea how wonderful it is to hear all this, after living/suffering through it all for the past 57 years without anyone to communicate with. Since the night of my first NDE in 1967. 🌹
It is all well and good to speculate on the existence of archetypes, the importance of initiations, or the spiritual potency of rituals. Yet, if our spiritual journey is not first and foremost a moral journey, then it is empty. True spirituality is the search for moral meaning: the right way to live, the right way to exist in relation to others. The only coherent spiritual path is one that proactively, and in a real-world way, expands the moral circle to include all existing and future beings capable of suffering. This is the opposite of dogma: to be relentlessly tied to the realities of the world, to the reality of suffering, and the reality of joy. So much of what passes for spirituality is childish nonsense. If you want your life to mean something, work to reduce suffering.
Deep love and gratitude to you, Michael, for making these mind-blowing experiences with such great minds so accessible. I absolutely love your work. 🙏💜💜💜
Wow! Excellent mind meld and I now find myself looking forward to a third part to this exploration! What a great way to end the midweek. Thank you Michael, and thank you Richard.
This is amazing. I saw Dr. Tarnas speak live once at a class at Pacifica and it just blew my mind that was like 30 years ago! Michael, if you offered a course on active imagination, I would take it in a heartbeat!
Thank you profoundly for this message at such a pivotal time ,the universe is alive and does not want this organ to die ,we are as humanity and the material planet and its biosphere an important part of the greater cosmos and as such a sacred part of a sacred whole ..We have the choice to help our world through this complex time or hinder . The forces of darkness are becoming ever more blind in their selfish pursuits .love and caring are the only way forward.
The drop was in the ocean, it now has the amazing opportunity to become an ocean itself. With each thought becoming an independent drop in the future. If the drop goes beyond the point of no return.
Synchrony marks moments of self development along an unfolding continuum of genetic teleology.... the psychoid appears as a mirror, drawing conscious awareness to conclude that inner change is valid. This binds the conscious stage between cns-rna-dna..... via the symbolic memory. This is the loop which is the whole of DNA witnessing itself.
@@awpetersen5909 Once the awakening process is under way, after we reject the world, we also reject false happiness, then we must wait until true happiness bubbles up from within. It all takes time, but time is all we have really.
This world offers many opportunities to develop our personality and individuate, but at the same time there are countless new ways to avoid facing it right now: pills, drugs, and entertainment. As long as people don't have to face What Is inside of them, they will stay there and dull themselves with all that the world of materialism and hedonism has to offer. I guess it is the same reason why people are more obese today, even having knowledge about diet and exercise. The new term "a boring dystopia" is an interesting description of what we are heading to, a comfortable and slow decline into irrelevance. I hope I'm wrong, because otherwise we are literally becoming less human.
Love this… and in my experience setting up the container is a visceral experience of non physical connection experienced during a conscious connected breathwork session, and an underpinning principle is the 3 bodies. ❤❤❤
Great chat. I sometimes hear phrases intoned during hypnagogia. The most recent was this: "We are the home of life." Links to Richard's idea of being a 'vessel' of the archetypal.
Astrology holds the key to our individual journey it has been trashed by the media. A media committed to, well trashed. In short it holds the assignment for our individual lives.
I also came to this conclusion of coincidences and since then I see them everywhere. I came to this conclusion because of Immanuel Kant's words. At the time, I didn't know about Yuang. Anyway, I want to offer a simpler way of looking at things. The objective reality is actually its form. Or in other words the shape, The form consists of two things, what is present and what is not. In other words, the numbers that go to infinity and the numbers that end in zero. The second part is consciousness. Consciousness is on the form and outside of it. I think I have already found the function.if anyone is interested I will be happy to expand.
But what if your fear and paranoia of eminent ecological collapse is just another symptom of your separation from the unity? What if everything is actually perfectly fine? I thought you said that the world is a reflective medium. Maybe it’s reflecting your fear & paranoia?
In and out of this mood lately. It sometimes sounds so corny and other times I’m right in it, I am it. Then I go through a work week and it sounds corny again. Then suddenly right back in it. At the moment, reading these comments makes me cringe. A few hours or days from now I’ll chime in. Feeling groovy again. The world just doesn’t feel groovy right now and it’s throwing off my deep feelings and understanding. I feel shallow and used up. Maybe our psyches together can stop WW3. It’s not looking like it. I just wonder how all of this would feel after a year of trying to survive after a nuclear war…
An over arching principle that books training special equipment or higher level of intelligence is simply not required to make these connections to witness infinity .
I don’t really quite get it when people say you are the universe I mean the universe is defined by being… the universe and I am me a human being an individual person I am part of the universe and some of the universe is in me but to say that I am the universe seems wrong to me. That would be like a hologram and I know there are scientific theories that point to that possibility but until now there is no solid consensus and evidence for that. Please proof me wrong I would be happy to learn more.
Someone better able to explain will hopefully comment. But the way I understand it, is like the universe is Mind, and humans are created just like apples are created on a tree - we come out of it all. And through us the Universe can experience itself. Each of us is the universe experiencing and learning through our self/body/mind. Our skulls don't separate us from the Mind all around us. Our consciousness is just part of Consciousness. Like we're all branches on the tree - Is a branch also the tree? ? I'm a new learner in all this so this was just my try.
I felt that innerly,do you think is by chance that scientist did such jump the recent decades,some were certain had fully awaken❤ an they shared their insights through anakashi field.if we decide we can change mankind's life's and beyond for best ,lets get started more we are faster change will actualises as we wish .
I hear foghorns in the breeze winds alive with symphonies Built myself a hurricane 🌀 fence because I don't believe in accidents Real eyes 👀 your rhythm Rhythm is the lock, bolt and key.❤ of the living bah boom ba boom 💥 The play and the counter play. Push and pull In & out Kind people rock so much more than mean that suck. Love is the keeper of all understanding. ✌️ grace l
Ok, this is a long shot here, but… if anyone who ALREADY likes eminem wants to enjoy a tribute to Jungian shadow work… check out his new album The Death of Slim Shady… very interesting concept album regarding integrating your shadow. 🔥 (If you do not like offensive comedy/topics please DON’T though, he is clearly not everyone’s taste and that is ok 👍🏻)
I am making the first comment in this Universe. In another Universe I am making the second comment. In a third Universe I am making the third comment................
Synchronicity is the Noumenon of Apophenia by way of Stigmergy, Distilled through the Mental lens of Simulacra. Using De-Noesis like cold fusion, the Sself then adjust's the feedback loop to create spontaneous Emergent Co-operation between Consciousness and Sub-Consciousness, that then can call on the inherent Wisdom and inter-connectedness of the sum total of Human knowledge, through Quantum Tunneling and Safa (Spooky action from afar) which can be defined as "Super-consciousness" (Inner-Tuition). Or God to the Religious Drones. The Human Brain has folded itself into a Trans-dimensional Neologism in order to express this. "Know yourself and you will become God" = Written inscription over the entrance way to the Temple city of Harran as witnessed by Mas `Udi 943ad.
things like these, i think i decide so.... like for realz cuz u can't see past it. (where am i? obviously beyond that what ever ... so do i actually build them whatever i want or like ... obviously i have to have fun so...)
Abandoning materialism makes the world even more depraved than it is. At least with materialism , it’s indifferent. With all this newage claptrap, the world becomes evil.
Archetypes are an emergent phenomenon just like everything else governed by the laws of physics. Instead of looking at the world from the top down and looking for an explanation for why everything is the same and fractal I would suggest you look from the bottom up and realize that only certain patterns can succeeded in replicating and seem permanent. There is more ways to fail and fall back into chaos with the second law of thermodynamics And that’s why there is not much more diversity. Besides, what can be possible.
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I can't tell if the world is really moving towards a new paradigm, away from materialism... or is it just my youtube feed.
Maybe a bit of this and a bit of that
Ha! Me too!
I sure hope and pray it is!! FOR REAL
Many an insight stands to be blown away like a mandala.
You will rediscover yourself mamy times through that process 😉
Interest in this kind of knowledge has always waxed and waned throughout history. We've had many other periods when it was popular. The dawning of the "age of Aquarius" was written during another one of these eras. We had a surge of it in the 1980s too. It will always be around but if people are expecting a worldwide era of mass enlightenment, it isn't going to happen like that.
It's sort of like Christians who believe Jesus will come down from the clouds and return for all to see in a great Second Coming and fulfill Biblical prophesy. It won't happen. Spirituality is ultimately an individual endeavor. Back to Jesus, even though he reached enlightenment in Christian lore, no one around him did. It's the same with the Buddha. He may have reached enlightenment and started a world religion, but there were not mass enlightenment around him.
We are each a unique piece of God and so we will reach enlightenment in our own unique and individual way. Philosophy and religion and "gurus" can help along the way, but they can't take you over the finish line. You cross that line into enlightenment alone. That is my belief.
I first read Passion of the Western Mind in the spring of 1993. It was the perfect capstone to my major in philosophy. I read Cosmos and Psyche in 2007, and started noticing the accuracy of archetypal astrology. I studied with Richard Tarnas at CIIS in 2010, for a PhD in Philosophy and Religion, with a concentration in Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness. He is a scholar of the highest level carrying the Platonic torch heroically. My favorite lines: " "An initiation involves a dying to an old identity." (1:03:30) "I think of us being in a race between initiation and catastrophe." (1:29:12) He also talked about a "hyperskeptical black hole of subjectivity." (10:20) Ironically, I think the way out of that black hole of subjectivity it is to identify the subjective psyche with the singularity in the center of a black hole, in line with Jung's Leap Day equation, in 1952, of psychic energy and mass: "Psyche=highest intensity in the smallest space."
Tarnas is just so brilliant. I was so honoured to have met him some years ago, and also his daughter Becca who also does great work in depth psychology and archetypal astrology.
The world is run on intention is the short answer for me and synchronicity represents road signs affirmation and guidance 👍
Interesting
I had an experience recently of becoming a symbol and experiencing myself as being in the greater psyche. It was a flash but it changed me forever. This podcast is helping me unpack that moment.
Passion of the western mind, the best book I ever read and particularly appreciated the end segment on the post modern. How Richard had the insight concerning all this in the early 90's i'll never know as he seemed to have incredible prescience in how this would all play out. And here we are stuck right in the middle of this nihilistic chaos of relativism and disconnect and so thankful we had such great wisdom from Richard teaching us about our deep dilemma.
Currently I am reading "Cosmos and Psyche". This man ist a genius! As always this was a great conversation.
Part 1 was excellent. Now part 2 yea!!! You have no idea how wonderful it is to hear all this, after living/suffering through it all for the past 57 years without anyone to communicate with. Since the night of my first NDE in 1967. 🌹
It is all well and good to speculate on the existence of archetypes, the importance of initiations, or the spiritual potency of rituals. Yet, if our spiritual journey is not first and foremost a moral journey, then it is empty. True spirituality is the search for moral meaning: the right way to live, the right way to exist in relation to others. The only coherent spiritual path is one that proactively, and in a real-world way, expands the moral circle to include all existing and future beings capable of suffering. This is the opposite of dogma: to be relentlessly tied to the realities of the world, to the reality of suffering, and the reality of joy. So much of what passes for spirituality is childish nonsense. If you want your life to mean something, work to reduce suffering.
This message is a gently wafting feather. You know, to tickle the algorithm.
I like where your head is at.
One of THE very best talks I've heard on these topics. 🙏🏼
Thank you!
Deep love and gratitude to you, Michael, for making these mind-blowing experiences with such great minds so accessible. I absolutely love your work. 🙏💜💜💜
Thank you! 🙏
@@THIRDEYEDROPS my pleasure!
Wow! Excellent mind meld and I now find myself looking forward to a third part to this exploration! What a great way to end the midweek. Thank you Michael, and thank you Richard.
Thanks my friend, glad you enjoyed it!
Looking forward to the continuation of this conversation and also to more guests talking about synchronicities
Richard Tarnas is really gold
I get such a warm vibe from Richard Tarnas and his daughter Becca. They seem like genuinely wonderful people
He’s been very gracious in all my experiences with him.
This is amazing. I saw Dr. Tarnas speak live once at a class at Pacifica and it just blew my mind that was like 30 years ago! Michael, if you offered a course on active imagination, I would take it in a heartbeat!
Thank you profoundly for this message at such a pivotal time ,the universe is alive and does not want this organ to die ,we are as humanity and the material planet and its biosphere an important part of the greater cosmos and as such a sacred part of a sacred whole ..We have the choice to help our world through this complex time or hinder . The forces of darkness are becoming ever more blind in their selfish pursuits .love and caring are the only way forward.
So glad you had Richard on again! tysm
The drop was in the ocean, it now has the amazing opportunity to become an ocean itself. With each thought becoming an independent drop in the future. If the drop goes beyond the point of no return.
Awesome, looking forward to more with Richard Tarnas ❤
🤝🤝🤝
Yes! So excited that Richard Tarnas is back in the mind meld! Looking forward to this one, as always.
🌀🌀🌀
@@THIRDEYEDROPS Loved this one. You must have Richard back in the mind meld ASAP! I have to hear more on Cosmos and Psyche etc. 🎆🔥
Synchrony marks moments of self development along an unfolding continuum of genetic teleology.... the psychoid appears as a mirror, drawing conscious awareness to conclude that inner change is valid. This binds the conscious stage between cns-rna-dna..... via the symbolic memory. This is the loop which is the whole of DNA witnessing itself.
this video is easy to understand and contains the largest amount of real usable concepts. i still want to hear more about 'novelty theory'
There are more things than are dreamed up in our Cartesian philosophy.
Amazing conversation.
"Passion of the Western Mind"
One of my favourite books.
A fabulously rich and rewarding conversation, thanks Richard and Michael.
Thanks!
We must 'die without dieing' to cross that bridge of initiation. After going through the dark night of the soul.
I went through the dark night of the soul over and over, but not yet there. Well, I guess it s a lifelong process. I want more happiness.
@@awpetersen5909 Once the awakening process is under way, after we reject the world, we also reject false happiness, then we must wait until true happiness bubbles up from within. It all takes time, but time is all we have really.
I think you are not alone. I feel the same as you do. It's a process not a one time deal. And it takes work, commitment and time. It's not easy.
@@11chancer It certainly is not easy. But possible.
This world offers many opportunities to develop our personality and individuate, but at the same time there are countless new ways to avoid facing it right now: pills, drugs, and entertainment. As long as people don't have to face What Is inside of them, they will stay there and dull themselves with all that the world of materialism and hedonism has to offer. I guess it is the same reason why people are more obese today, even having knowledge about diet and exercise. The new term "a boring dystopia" is an interesting description of what we are heading to, a comfortable and slow decline into irrelevance. I hope I'm wrong, because otherwise we are literally becoming less human.
We need a Part 3 with the legend Richard Tarnas please
🙏🙏🙏
Another great and informative podcast,i love the insights contained within this video. Thank you.
Love this… and in my experience setting up the container is a visceral experience of non physical connection experienced during a conscious connected breathwork session, and an underpinning principle is the 3 bodies. ❤❤❤
We should never mess with the unknown. Let it be.
Excellent. As ever. Important stuff. An important conversation. So, so important. 🌀🌀🌀🌀❤️🔥
Thank you my friend!
Great chat. I sometimes hear phrases intoned during hypnagogia. The most recent was this: "We are the home of life." Links to Richard's idea of being a 'vessel' of the archetypal.
Hate missed this one live:(. Looking forward to this one!🎉❤
Hate missed this one live:(. Looking forward to listening. 🎉❤
Whoah, this got really good!
Astrology holds the key to our individual journey it has been trashed by the media. A media committed to, well trashed. In short it holds the assignment for our individual lives.
Thank you both
✌️✌️✌️
Something split us into billions of experiences all happening at once and Iover and over
Had to say this based on the thumbnail. I often feel like I'm being done by the whole universe. Lol
"done" lmao 😂
Probably true both ways! :D
This was some good shit. My god
I also came to this conclusion of coincidences and since then I see them everywhere. I came to this conclusion because of Immanuel Kant's words. At the time, I didn't know about Yuang.
Anyway, I want to offer a simpler way of looking at things. The objective reality is actually its form. Or in other words the shape, The form consists of two things, what is present and what is not. In other words, the numbers that go to infinity and the numbers that end in zero.
The second part is consciousness. Consciousness is on the form and outside of it.
I think I have already found the function.if anyone is interested I will be happy to expand.
But what if your fear and paranoia of eminent ecological collapse is just another symptom of your separation from the unity? What if everything is actually perfectly fine? I thought you said that the world is a reflective medium. Maybe it’s reflecting your fear & paranoia?
I really appreciate this comment. If we become despairing we ate lost already. So thank you.
In and out of this mood lately. It sometimes sounds so corny and other times I’m right in it, I am it. Then I go through a work week and it sounds corny again. Then suddenly right back in it. At the moment, reading these comments makes me cringe. A few hours or days from now I’ll chime in. Feeling groovy again. The world just doesn’t feel groovy right now and it’s throwing off my deep feelings and understanding. I feel shallow and used up. Maybe our psyches together can stop WW3. It’s not looking like it. I just wonder how all of this would feel after a year of trying to survive after a nuclear war…
❤❤❤
An over arching principle that books training special equipment or higher level of intelligence is simply not required to make these connections to witness infinity .
I don’t really quite get it when people say you are the universe I mean the universe is defined by being… the universe and I am me a human being an individual person I am part of the universe and some of the universe is in me but to say that I am the universe seems wrong to me. That would be like a hologram and I know there are scientific theories that point to that possibility but until now there is no solid consensus and evidence for that. Please proof me wrong I would be happy to learn more.
Someone better able to explain will hopefully comment. But the way I understand it, is like the universe is Mind, and humans are created just like apples are created on a tree - we come out of it all. And through us the Universe can experience itself. Each of us is the universe experiencing and learning through our self/body/mind. Our skulls don't separate us from the Mind all around us. Our consciousness is just part of Consciousness. Like we're all branches on the tree - Is a branch also the tree? ? I'm a new learner in all this so this was just my try.
@@lifematters687 that’s actually a pretty good explanation thank you
I felt that innerly,do you think is by chance that scientist did such jump the recent decades,some were certain had fully awaken❤ an they shared their insights through anakashi field.if we decide we can change mankind's life's and beyond for best ,lets get started more we are faster change will actualises as we wish .
I hear foghorns in the breeze winds alive with symphonies
Built myself a hurricane 🌀 fence because I don't believe in accidents
Real eyes 👀 your rhythm
Rhythm is the lock, bolt and key.❤ of the living bah boom ba boom 💥
The play and the counter play. Push and pull
In & out
Kind people rock so much more than mean that suck.
Love is the keeper of all understanding.
✌️ grace l
Uff, this couple of last podcasts are too heavy for me. Im not that smart. I need some beginners guide
Ok, this is a long shot here, but… if anyone who ALREADY likes eminem wants to enjoy a tribute to Jungian shadow work… check out his new album The Death of Slim Shady… very interesting concept album regarding integrating your shadow. 🔥 (If you do not like offensive comedy/topics please DON’T though, he is clearly not everyone’s taste and that is ok 👍🏻)
Are you giving a fair shake to other lines of thought or you are just narrowing your search into a single argument?
I am making the first comment in this Universe. In another Universe I am making the second comment. In a third Universe I am making the third comment................
Synchronicity is the Noumenon of Apophenia by way of Stigmergy, Distilled through the Mental lens of Simulacra. Using De-Noesis like cold fusion, the Sself then adjust's the feedback loop to create spontaneous Emergent Co-operation between Consciousness and Sub-Consciousness, that then can call on the inherent Wisdom and inter-connectedness of the sum total of Human knowledge, through Quantum Tunneling and Safa (Spooky action from afar) which can be defined as "Super-consciousness" (Inner-Tuition). Or God to the Religious Drones.
The Human Brain has folded itself into a Trans-dimensional Neologism in order to express this.
"Know yourself and you will become God" = Written inscription over the entrance way to the Temple city of Harran as witnessed by Mas `Udi 943ad.
Ending on a cliffhanger?! Noooo!
Nothing is real around us. Nothing. We are the very fabric od space time the breathe of life... nothing but a dream within q dream
things like these, i think i decide so.... like for realz cuz u can't see past it. (where am i? obviously beyond that what ever ... so do i actually build them whatever i want or like ... obviously i have to have fun so...)
do ppl like not understand what this means? like it's facts yo... like it's logical and shieeet...
Abandoning materialism makes the world even more depraved than it is. At least with materialism , it’s indifferent. With all this newage claptrap, the world becomes evil.
It’s not about abandoning anything. I agree, people can go too far with their own fantasies and I’m no fan of cringy new age nonsense.
How does advertising Coca-Cola fit here?
The ego is approaching its limit when it goes into total entitlement, which is now obvious particularly with the youth.
And not just the youth. Our culture is riddled with 70-80 year olds still endlessly chasing money, power and influence
He looks like your dad
He’d be a pretty fantastic dad to have
Urgh i hate this new youtube trend of AI generated images
Hear him wrong or did he just go woke on us 😊
Post modernism allows wokeism, but does not require wokeism.
Tarnas is definitely a progressive open minded person, if that’s what you mean.
🙉 heard
Archetypes are an emergent phenomenon just like everything else governed by the laws of physics.
Instead of looking at the world from the top down and looking for an explanation for why everything is the same and fractal I would suggest you look from the bottom up and realize that only certain patterns can succeeded in replicating and seem permanent. There is more ways to fail and fall back into chaos with the second law of thermodynamics And that’s why there is not much more diversity. Besides, what can be possible.
Bad guest
Bad take. Tarnas is a legend.
@@THIRDEYEDROPS I bet you’re right
Thank You!
that guy really looks like jordan peterson hahaha
!!! Thank you
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