Triumph Bonneville Street Twin VS Ducati Scrambler Icon | Comparison Test | Autocar India

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  • @adebryan9785
    @adebryan9785 8 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    Triumph 900 Street Twin, all the way Ordered mine after a 2 hour test ride fantastic little bike, and way better than the new Bonnie I bought back in 1978 lol it feels fantastic to ride can't wait for March 1st 2017 :)

  • @gordonemoore
    @gordonemoore 8 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    I considered a Triumph Twin before I bought my Icon. I bought with my heart instead of my head and am very happy with it. I've been riding for 57 years.

    • @tylerdurden7920
      @tylerdurden7920 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's exactly what's going on in my mind. My heart says scrambler but my brain says Street Twin

    • @surajsunkara7581
      @surajsunkara7581 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      57 years??????

  • @purvipatel2519
    @purvipatel2519 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I agree. I have just booked scrambler. expected delivery by next week. This would be my first big bike (I am 41 years young mind it) till date i have gone up to 220 CC. after research, i choose scrambler. Let's see how it goes!!!

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Hey! Congratulations young man! :-) Let me know how it goes! Safe and fun rides to you!

  • @poit444
    @poit444 8 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    I rode them both extensively and bought the Triumph: the Ducati was faster, and better on the freeway, the Triumph had less engine breaking, a fabulous fun factor in torque, smoother, more comfortable, looks better IMO, and sounds amazing. Although, the off-road point you made is intriguing which I did not try to do.

    • @pateris
      @pateris 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, usually, for testers, you know that for them, the fastest is the best, regardless of puny details like reliability, maintenance/oil costs, etc…

  • @hemanthnukala
    @hemanthnukala 7 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I vote for Triumph Street Twin.

  • @DukerBoyYoutube
    @DukerBoyYoutube 8 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    Very good comparoo... but think about servicing and network , triumph beats it clear , with a 16,000Kms service interval for the bonneville range triumph is any day a easier bike to live with .

    • @gusoliverbar9392
      @gusoliverbar9392 7 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      that's why I don't think is a very good comparison. Triumph engine is built to last and that is why has low performance.

    • @pateris
      @pateris 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That's probably what the ds have you believe. Mine needed maintenance after about 8000 km. But; i still love it !

  • @arunkottolli
    @arunkottolli 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Triumph Street Twin's greatest disadvantage is its Street Presence. The bike looks like a modified RE Bullet!
    Even after spending Rs 8+ lakhs, one does not get the respect on the road - when compared to Ducati Scrambler.
    Between the two, Ducati is a better choice for looks and City rides in India.
    Ideally, I would save up a bit more and go for Triumph Street Triple or Speed Triple.

    • @harishkiran3663
      @harishkiran3663 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh boy, you just rev it up a bit and you will have all the attention you want and more.

    • @arunkottolli
      @arunkottolli 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed!
      But in city traffic, there is hardly any space to rev up the bike. I have been riding an Enfield 500 for 24 years, and occasionally, I run in to Thiumph Bonneville on the road, but I can't make out its a Bonneville until I come close to the bike - but with Street Triple or Bennelli or Harley bikes, I know the bike instantly by the sound and looks.
      The street presence is a BIG factor on City roads. People make way for bikes with bigger street presence. I have seen this on my Enfield or CBR650. Seeing people make way - is a good ego massage!

    • @AjaySinghShahu
      @AjaySinghShahu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      sorry for the late reply Sir, but if you need road presence in the sense that the bike should have loud humming sound then you must consider Benelli 600i, its 4 cylinder gives the loudest blast on the road, people will make way even if you are few KM away from them.
      Buying a Triumph is itself a big proud decision, its a legacy, and i think this is what that matters the most, Brand.

    • @sisir360
      @sisir360 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      MotoViking This is very much a real thing. One of my friends had a HD Iron 883 and people would leave scratches on the fuel tank (which was of a black matte finish, to make it worse) when he’d park it outside cafes.

  • @kaushikacharya11
    @kaushikacharya11 7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    if u need corner performance then go for sport bikes..not classic...
    these are meant for cruising and comfort with the retro looks.. where the triumph does the job better...

  • @bikerdrummer
    @bikerdrummer 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Amazing review!! No rambling, clear and informed facts! Thank you, as I am hesitating between these 2...still don't know which one to buy...leaning towards the Triumph though....

  • @1990-t1j
    @1990-t1j 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Ducati for me. Lighter and looks miles better.

  • @YasselAlvarez33157
    @YasselAlvarez33157 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I like all bikes. Something must be wrong with me.

    • @aparajithravi3562
      @aparajithravi3562 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not at all handsome bird.. you're not alone

  • @preethumv
    @preethumv 8 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Triumph looks way cool than the Du. . .

  • @gowthamant4005
    @gowthamant4005 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    5:54 Beautifully shot!

  • @neesay93
    @neesay93 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would surely choose the Triumph, any day!

  • @kaveiros75
    @kaveiros75 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great review - as always! I have test ridden both for a short time. Still can 't decide which one I would buy (for my next bike). In terms of riding, Ducati felt like heaven. I was immediately "at home", both in traffic and on the open road. But in terms of maintenance and fuel consumption the Triumph is bike that you will be really happy to own! It looks also more comfortable, but I hate the 5-gear box, and the engine ends too soon - and I am someone who doesn 't love high revving engines, so... imagine that!
    Having said that, I have to admit that the Street Twin I rode, had just 650 km on. So maybe things will get much better when it will be broken-in. I don 't know.

  • @casteli1
    @casteli1 7 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I absolutely love the bonnie always have, even the last gen T100 was awesome but if I were to pick a bonnie today it'd be the T120 it's simply macho and retro ya know what I mean 😊
    Royal Enfield bring in your 650cc plus twin and give it dual channel ABS and I will be in the queue with my cheque book ✌️

    • @sisir360
      @sisir360 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ivan Castellino it’s out now. Are you in the queue? 😆

  • @speedwolf5212
    @speedwolf5212 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really dig Kartikeya's review style.
    A number of good points on both bikes I haven't seen in other reviews.
    Overall another great video & comparison, thanks guys & keep up the good work!

  • @theDIGITALperception
    @theDIGITALperception 7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You guys do such great reviews. Thank you! - now can we get a triumph street triple vs the scrambler :D They're in the same price range in the US but i'm leaning toward the scrambler

  • @vikramvenkatesh6728
    @vikramvenkatesh6728 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great review mate. The only thing that's stopping me is the T100. Could someone shed light on the differences between the two?? I really couldn't find much. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

  • @ajayjayakumar1997
    @ajayjayakumar1997 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please do the comparison between Apache RR 310, Ninja 300, Benelli Tornado 302 and Yamaha R3

  • @larrynorsworthy8582
    @larrynorsworthy8582 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    For me, weighing 120 pounds, the Triumph is sprung just right.

  • @freesoul85vis
    @freesoul85vis 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great comparison Kartikeya... 😊 One more thing you could compare is the maintenance costs, the Ducati spares & service costs significantly higher than the Triumph. I heard the 1st service on the Scrambler costs Rs 13,100 & the same on the Street Twin costs Rs 6,500 approximately. The better service & dealer network that Triumph has in India is also a plus point for hassle free ownership!! 😊

  • @jwfriar
    @jwfriar 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Well produced and insightful video. I liked how your thoughts on refinement vs sportiness. For me though, that Ducati is hideous and the Street Twin is beautiful. You might say beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but you probably should have talked more about aesthetics. End of the day, you still have to look good, so i went with the Triumph.

    • @pateris
      @pateris 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have not tried the Ducat', but IMHO it looks like a toy, not a real bike. (Don't flame me, I judge on the look only !)

    • @_Manish_Kumar
      @_Manish_Kumar 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pateris I am an artist. And I believe me, the Scrambler will age much better than the Triumph(only on the looks department).

  • @cristianomurbachpires1575
    @cristianomurbachpires1575 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good job 👏🏻
    Congrats from Brazil 🤜🏻🤛🏻

  • @deepakthokal6121
    @deepakthokal6121 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you Kartikeya! I was so waiting for this review :). You always review any motor so well. I took a test ride of street twin today morning and what a bike! I should take a test ride of ducati as well after watching this video.

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Deepak! Thank you for watching.

  • @kaushikacharya11
    @kaushikacharya11 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Triumph is a better bike as I have ridden both.. As a classic

  • @mywhiskeydiaries
    @mywhiskeydiaries 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Are you planning to do a review between the Street Twin, 883 iron and the Ducati Scrambler....

  • @rogerbergquist5158
    @rogerbergquist5158 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Triumph = build quality

  • @josemhs1213
    @josemhs1213 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So everyone says the scrambler is not afraid of offroad but
    Has anyone tried the street twin in the same area?

    • @pateris
      @pateris 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ir's not made for it, so… no !

  • @AbhimanyuKharote
    @AbhimanyuKharote 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great comparison. Love triumph street twin. Definitely on my shopping list

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Let us know if you get one! and, what you thought of it!

    • @pateris
      @pateris 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You won't regret it. One thing they forgot is that it costs practically bugger all in terms of gas (under 4l/100km for mine, beat that !) and maintenance, if done at a Triumph dealership !

  • @aravindbnr
    @aravindbnr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    great video as always still love the triumph

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Believe me. So do I.

  • @satheravi
    @satheravi 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    An excellent Review!!! on of the best comparisons i have seen!!

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you Ravi!

  • @CB-pg3rc
    @CB-pg3rc 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    street twin does not produce much heat in trafffic..

    • @pateris
      @pateris 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most indeedy ! Mine doth not.

  • @depotfrank591
    @depotfrank591 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent review, thank you ! Choice of a classic motorcycle however is a cocktail of intuition, personal memories and expectation and the purpose of the bike. I would not mind having and the Bonny and the Icon in my garage 🤗🤗

  • @josephjohn850
    @josephjohn850 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which one is better ? Triumph boneville street twin or ducati scrambler icon ?

  • @motorcyclemasterracetv4144
    @motorcyclemasterracetv4144 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Triumph For the Win....✌🏼✌🏼

  • @RoyMeraki
    @RoyMeraki 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    awesome detailed comparison with so precise execution
    that is something i miss with powerdrift reviews

  • @fiamun
    @fiamun 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed your review. very thorough, and entertaining. Well done.

  • @raghunair
    @raghunair 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OOooommmmphhh cornering!!! @5.56

  • @ripmax333
    @ripmax333 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    @0:40 did he sad that it felt old school? this guy made a review about the RE Bullet, what about that then?did it felt like a fossil? I think the RE are the only old school feel motorcycles to date. the rest they only have the looks.

  • @kalyand25
    @kalyand25 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m planning to upgrade from my KTM duke 390 but can’t decide between the speed twin and the scramble, pls suggest which one is good I do weekend rides for 100 km + and once in a while touring long.

  • @kamalnayan7696
    @kamalnayan7696 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Triumph Street Twin my dream bike 🥺

  • @robertnelson9621
    @robertnelson9621 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Let's hope RE delivers healthy Twins without defects or handicaps. It is due anytime now.

  • @realmardogg2008
    @realmardogg2008 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic review. Could it be possible for you guys to do a vid on how these companies are planning to expand their dealer networks across India? That'll be too good.

  • @1pasupaty
    @1pasupaty 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel more comfortable spending 1 lakh More for a better design and appeal like this bike has.

  • @patthewoodboy
    @patthewoodboy 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    service cost on the ducati desmo valves ... check it out ..its not cheap .. I owned a 750ss

  • @david-johntiemens2010
    @david-johntiemens2010 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, great video. Thanks!

  • @crazyincars
    @crazyincars 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great comparision... Ducati scores!!!!

  • @1990-t1j
    @1990-t1j 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good review. And that jacket looked like you've been down a time or two.

  • @henryzhang9915
    @henryzhang9915 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ducati scrambler is an insult to classic, it's a modern toy and Triumph has much more composure

  • @chetanmahajan
    @chetanmahajan 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really good comparison Kartikeya and Autocar India. Could you please do a review on the Harley Davidson's 2016 Iron 883 and also a review of the Triumph T120.

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      We have the T120 review on our channel now. Please do take a look. Thank you.

  • @sharatsk17
    @sharatsk17 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    RE Interceptor 650 or Triumph Street Twin??

  • @stokkiesdraai
    @stokkiesdraai 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great Review! One Question? How do you think the street twin would fare on good gravel/country roads?

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hmm.. good question, ridden calmly, no issue. If you got gravel oriented tyres, I don't think it would be an issue at all.

  • @inb4dalock
    @inb4dalock 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good Review! Where are you fellas biking? That's looks like a great place to explore. Thanks!

  • @azharnaveed6993
    @azharnaveed6993 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    @kartikeya singhee! Waiting For Comparison Video on Panigale 959 vs Daytona 675r!

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me too man!

  • @surajsandbhor726
    @surajsandbhor726 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will choose street twin

  • @Alex-io6ky
    @Alex-io6ky 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good review, thank you

  • @inbanarunkumar2530
    @inbanarunkumar2530 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    great video. really quality video by all the way

  • @Vincent79Vega
    @Vincent79Vega 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great comparison, I love both bikes. But I struggle a little bit, because I read a lot about the heat the ducati generate, especially in Traffic. This would unfortunately be an no-go go for me. Is the heat really an issue?

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey! Yeah.. all Ducati's with the L-Twin air-cooled engines tend to create a "toasty" environment because the rear cylinder sits a bit close to the rider. But, I personally feel, there always a few compromises and this is one I'd be willing to make unless i was looking at it primarily as a city commuter.

  • @marshallmarthes
    @marshallmarthes 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the ducati scrambler icon more than this one

  • @pratyushpratim9561
    @pratyushpratim9561 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    is guzzi v7 available in india?

  • @rawl05
    @rawl05 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you review the Ducati Scrambler 62 ?

  • @navaneethkrishna6852
    @navaneethkrishna6852 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plz do a ftr 1200 comparison

  • @AmjadAliSyd
    @AmjadAliSyd 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    + Autocar India is street twin louder than the old Bonneville and this ducati scrambler also does it sound better?? pls. reply...... anyone?.. thank you in advance

  • @madhavavupati8104
    @madhavavupati8104 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I vote for Ducati Scrambler Icon

  • @srinivascna
    @srinivascna 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ducati scrambler is the best

  • @garybonham6048
    @garybonham6048 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review, well done.

  • @vibhrajchiplunkar9593
    @vibhrajchiplunkar9593 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I guess you should compare with Harley Davidson street 750 too

    • @purvipatel2519
      @purvipatel2519 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i tried both street 750 & scrambler. And scrambler excited me more. So, even though it was costing more, i went in for scrambler. Just booked couple of days back. expected delivery next week.

    • @arunkottolli
      @arunkottolli 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good choice. Street 750 is a working Mule, while Ducati is like a Equestrian horse!

  • @codpieceofjustice4595
    @codpieceofjustice4595 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great review, mate. Thanks.

  • @Jkrishx
    @Jkrishx 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Scrambler top speed?

  • @akashpun8369
    @akashpun8369 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ducati wins

  • @naynaarpit
    @naynaarpit 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very nice camparo done.....good job

  • @adityapareek7344
    @adityapareek7344 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    y don't u compare these two bikes with the kawasakhi Z800!? I would love to see that comparison!

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Z800 is the superior machine in terms of performance. out right. But, people looking at these two would have slightly different priorities.

    • @adityapareek7344
      @adityapareek7344 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Kartikeya Singhee then there can be one review on the Z800 vs daytone 675!

  • @unrockit
    @unrockit 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    There's a better package now: Triumph Speed Twin

  • @AnjelasChristian
    @AnjelasChristian 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    was waiting for this...

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching!

  • @pradumnsanodiya4530
    @pradumnsanodiya4530 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wbu?? Scrambler Icon Vs Scrambler Cafe Racer

  • @mobbin7380
    @mobbin7380 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    any chance of XSR900 coming to India?

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ufff. Man, i wish i decided that. would be here in a jiffy. The wheels at Yamaha India turn at their own pace.

  • @jacobshibu1678
    @jacobshibu1678 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Price please?????

  • @vyshushastha
    @vyshushastha 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    An excellent review

  • @bisnuadhikari6573
    @bisnuadhikari6573 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Comparison between school boy (D)
    and a cruiser ( T )

  • @sayontanseth1994
    @sayontanseth1994 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Scrambler has too much heating issue which no one describes

  • @johnfebiyan3169
    @johnfebiyan3169 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I vote for Ducati

  • @guiltygearcore
    @guiltygearcore 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks classy. Nice.

  • @bikershub133
    @bikershub133 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    why haven't uu compd harley street with these ...??

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a truck load cheaper! Makes it a little difficult to compare while being fair to all.

  • @ajayrathore8704
    @ajayrathore8704 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    but it is more expensive

    • @lucamenna8208
      @lucamenna8208 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not that much for a ducati.

  • @sachinmachanmotorvlog4851
    @sachinmachanmotorvlog4851 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interceptor is better than this. By numbers on the papers

  • @balsara675
    @balsara675 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    triumph

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha. You are a Triumph guy out an out!

  • @kaushikacharya11
    @kaushikacharya11 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Ducati scrambler is a pathetic bike... One thing not mentioned in the review is the engine of Ducati heats up so much which may roast ur legs In our Indian summer temperature...

  • @LamNguyen-ov1ue
    @LamNguyen-ov1ue 8 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Ducati Scrambler voted!!! :v

  • @Blooddyyysweettt306
    @Blooddyyysweettt306 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    pls review of um motorcycles plsss

    • @SirKart
      @SirKart 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Coming up soon. Thanks!

  • @axs7689
    @axs7689 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video

  • @dhavald4359
    @dhavald4359 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I bet he would prefer triumph personally when he goes to buy bike for himself.

  • @sudhakarmacharla3207
    @sudhakarmacharla3207 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are these modern classics has to be 500+cc, why can't we get 200+cc category.

  • @chinthaprashanth5998
    @chinthaprashanth5998 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like this demon

  • @chuckmatses6803
    @chuckmatses6803 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nah, those Ducatis are a bit too weird.

  • @sandeepkumarpuru2524
    @sandeepkumarpuru2524 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    ducati bike

  • @simontempler3239
    @simontempler3239 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    yes ....But how well do these bikes stack up against a Royal Enfield Bullet ??

    • @harishkiran3663
      @harishkiran3663 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Will you compare RE with Scooty pep?!

    • @arunkottolli
      @arunkottolli 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Triumph Bonneville or the street twin is MILES ahead of Royal Enfield Bullet in all aspects of Motorcycling. Fundamentally, Truimph bikes have new technology - vs 60 year old technology on Bullet! Bullet has not changed much in last 60+ years, The only change on bullet is a UCE all aluminium engine, and an additional 5th gear.
      I have a 24 years old Enfield 500, and is as fast as the newer bullets.

    • @1pasupaty
      @1pasupaty 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      simon templer better torque,build quality, speed,ick up,design,power,braking,tyres....oil cooling ....

  • @dhavald4359
    @dhavald4359 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    bonny doesn't have rpm meter ? quite funny

    • @pateris
      @pateris 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      You drive it by ear…

  • @kaushikacharya11
    @kaushikacharya11 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every bike cannot be sporty

  • @shashanklaur507
    @shashanklaur507 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    But if you want a Ducati, save up and buy the monster and thank me later.

    • @audiojacx5894
      @audiojacx5894 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love the streetfighter .... saving up for that

    • @lucamenna8208
      @lucamenna8208 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Completely different bikes.