Some people seem to be confused so I would just like to make this clear, I am not telling you to ignore DEF and only build HP. You MUST build DEF no matter what. I am only saying that you should not build a mixture of HP and shields and would be better off ignoring shields entirely in favor of HP unless you are playing a descendant such as Kyle who requires shields for their abilities.
Also resistances don't matter past dead bride. You're only getting 5% element mitigation or so and at later points the dmg is so high 5% is meaningless
@@ts552 the intentional exception? Look at his power graph, he has the base shield scaler to do it. Others go into HP or are intended as glass Cannons. Looks intentional. A feature.
i have 60k Defense on bunny, im able to tank the hard mod boss executioner to the face. Yes i still need to try and actively dodge the strongest attacks but im doing fairly ok on it, with 60k defense I can play unga bunga safely till the ads spawn so i can kill them and get hp. Plus im running the gold mod that gives me 9% HP on killing an enemy with a 3 second cooldown. I still need more Hp cause im only siting at 7k. i need more to start taking advantage of my excess defense. But im still new so there's some stuff im just not familiär with yet ;/ Thank you for making this. it helped me a lot.
just so you know around 40-45k of def is the sweet spot. you really get huge deminishing returns after that, so you could lower def a bit and spec more into hp o/
@@lopstar4k I personally found 20-30k defense + immunity mod (for whatever element boss you are aiming for, like poison immunity VS poison bosses etc) work perfectly for me
Building HP with DP is actually the best way to mod to survivability Since DP modifies the toughness of your HP, for example if you have 100hp and no DP 1 enemy hit counts as 10 HP loss. If the enemy crit on you (yes they can) it can be more. Numbers scaling with enemy lvl. However if you have DP on it can make that 1 enemy hit to not take 10 hp instead take 5 if the DP mod has levelled up to the point it provides 50% DP from that point its diminishing the effectiveness of DP but still provides a lot of DMG reduction overall compared to shields where no matter how bit the number is its gonna break pretty fast tho. Btw DP is DEF in Descendant, i am just too used to other games where its called DP but essentially its the same exact thing. This things btw are tested, shields are useless fully, build DP and HP and you dies a lot lot less. Good video tho 😊
Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. I learned a lot from it. However, I still want to ask if defense affects the shield's thickness. PS: I mainly play Enzo, and since I need to reduce the cooldown of my Z skill to the minimum, I can keep my V skill active continuously. Sacrificing the shield is a tough decision for me.
@@tonydai7691 Yes you still need Defense as it will reduce the damage you take making the shields more effective. Hopefully they buff shields next patch to make Kyle and Enzo stronger.
Dude, this is an overly complicated way to explain damage mitigation HP is health that’s how much life you have. How much health do you have defense simply mitigate certain types of incoming damage before it takes that house it’s no different than damage. Mitigation and almost any game is generally mitigating coming damage sometimes all incoming damage but in this case it’s not all types of incoming damage, just normal damage like fire attack damage so it doesn’t help you in all cases so you need defense and HP and quite frankly shields are not completely useless right sometimes your shields who will die mitigate a large amount of damage and just natural gameplay. maybe you’re out of combat long enough for them to start regaining or maybe you have region in combatstand on one of your items, but your primary build should start with defense and HP
@@tonydai7691 not sure what your bees feel and your whatever skills are how about you speak in game terms not in keyboard terms, but Enzo definitely benefit from maxing out shield and HP but all characters regardless benefit from defense defense is damage reduction for physical damage. my attacks are reduced by defense before they hit your shield your shield of absorb them before breaking, and then your health starts taking your shield on and can be regenerated instantly by 25% and then recharge or regenerated 6% per second after that that percentage is based off your max and shield so you know if you only have 1000 you’re gonna get 250 shield back that shield is equal to 250 damage the same way your shield is an extension of your health bar for fire attack physical attack again if you have a shield and your shield is about to run out and you pop your your children generation you’re going to instantly get 250 but if you have 5000 shield. You’re getting much bigger amount of what is essentially an extended health bar, so yes, and should stick with shield as a priority and then defense every character needs some defense somehow and depending on whether you’re using a Kyle or Enzo, you should also think about some shield for most character. Shield are not important because as the video post video says most of the time you are just gonna be gone they’re not gonna regenerate until you can get out of Kombat for having high defense and especially on a character that cannot regenerator isn’t dependent on having high health and high defense is key is going to help the elemental resistance is gonna help when defense can’t be gone because you can’t regenerate them unless you’re going to that we hide something for a moment to get out of combat final barrier to your characters. Death is your hit point the more you have the longer it takes for them to kill you, you’re using shield or defense element resistance because neither of those two things will help with that your element exist. You would call true damage state are not shielded or reduced by defense.
@@tonydai7691 the way he’s wrong. I mean he’s not wrong in that defense produces been coming damage. He’s wrong in that on an Enzo character. You should be focusing pure priority should be shield health then defense you’re going to mostly just heal away. Any damage you take or are the crack term should be regenerate away. Any damage you take before your shield is gone right if you’re taking physical damage it’s going to be hitting your shield when your shield is gone. It’s going to take away your health if you have the fence why before it’s your shield it’s going to be getting reduced. Do you have loaded panels if you have a big shield, you can push your button to get back up big chunk of shield. There’s no button to push to get back a big chunk of hell so low shield and it’s gone all the time whether or not your health is going to be going away is not a shield is the damage or production over reduces the incoming damage by half the rest is still hitting your shield and then your house again Enzo shield defense ground shield anything else really any other character? Well, what is the name of the tank? He’s got some affinity with that so you’re really should be all in on the event and then and not worry about shields at all and any other character good balance of defense and hip points, every character regardless of elemental resistance because they ignore that and just go at your health
You know one thing I’ve noticed or thought about with Enzo is doesn’t his ability regenerate a percentage like 25% of a shield so wow you don’t. I don’t agree with you that you ever wanna ignore HP right? Let’s just for shifts and say you do ignore your HP on any character or whatever the shields things like poison just ignore shields altogether and if your shield breaks and you have BHV you’re gonna die instantly to almost any hard stuff right so if you’re playing a character where you know abilities are based on his shields then you need to have shields but you also need to have HP if you’re playing Enzo you still need to have HP The more shield you have the better because he regenerates a portion right percentage of those shields so you know if it’s 25% and you have 1000 shields and ability of shield and shield most characters start with you know what 300 to 500 I haven’t looked at all characters but most of the ones I have they have only about 300 400 shield That is useless right so if you’re playing Enzo shield one is useless that I think will kickstart if you have reduced you know if you have better in combat shield regeneration it’ll kickstart that right I think as well so it’s entirely useless but once you rather have a large chunk of shield and an on-demand shield generationto hit the button and 75 shield 500,000 shield back because you have massive amounts of shield
your module choices depends to your character of choice. Every character have different base DEF/HP/Shield values. paying more priority to whatever your character is have high BASE at pays off better
@@ts552 this isn’t really true defense is percentage based so whether you have 1000 or 10,000 hit points in coming damage is going to be reduced by the amount of defense that you have whether it’s reducing it by 50 or 30 or 25 You’re getting the same amount out of it but you know granted you have to take into consideration that only have 1000 hit points versus you know 30,000 yeah you’re not gonna be able to go after those bosses that can do massive amounts of damage anyway you need a mixture of defense and if you’re playing a shield base character, you need you know max out shields that defense isn’t on he still benefits from the incoming damage reduction, but he needs shields because his abilities are our scaled off shields
@@ts552 and then two doesn’t Enzo have an ability that recharges his shield so having high shields on Enzo would not be a bad idea because you can pop your ability and recharge them
Yes, but I would not build shields unless you are playing Kyle or maybe Enzo as HP is much better than Shields. You do always need to build defense however.
I found with most character's you only need to hit a lil over 32k deffense and add auto immunity. Its much more efficient than stacking defense to reach 58k+ needed to see more yields. Wich frees up 2 or even 3 components for hp or shields. A good balance would be one with double shield stats for a 550 shields and other 2 hp. Having the right rolls will mean ur shields on most without mods will hit around 1.5k or higher and will regen very quickly givng cushions of regenerative survivability to get health orbs or survive some light gun fire. This is likely the moat optimal survivability tool with no mod investment for shields.
HP needs regen and or resources increases so in order to get HP back you have to automatically spec into this or YOU WILL be getting picked up constantly cause you have ZERO shields for constant defense and if you don’t spec into HP resource mod you only get 6% HP. 99% of the community stacks HP and forgets about 2 mods then they searching how to survive more and TH-camrs tell him them to add more HP. How you gonna get that HP back without regen or resources😂
You are ignoring a few bags first of all shred regeneration happens in and out of combat with the right components where is hell doesn’t regenerate at all you can pick up or you can modify how much those or give you you can put on modules to grab help when you kill stuff, but it does not regenerate at all ever naturally Shields on the other hand if you’re in a boss fight and you take a gigantic ducking cover and after like one second your shield will start regenerating. If you have shield recovery modifier will generate more quickly. If you have shield, recovery and combat, they will regenerate in combat. I’ll be at a slower rate then if you had children recovery out bad there’s also a shield recovery in combat. Both will speed up your recovery in and out of combat jewel automatically recover auto Kombat. You’ll never recover health auto combat or in combat. There are no mods no mat no nothing I don’t believe anyway no no substance. Nothing that will give you HP recovery in combat. You can modify how fast an orb or how much an orb gives you back with with HB recovery modifier, but there has to be something to start that HB recovery like an orb or HP collector and a kill, so you’re kind of ignoring that aspect of the shield HB flash defense I mean defense and the same thing I don’t know why people compare. Should I have defense or HB of course you need defense defense mitigates all in coming damage of physical nature so you need some defense, but should I only HB or only and shield is that a terrible question if you only have HP then all the damage you take will just be coming off your health and the only way to regenerate that is going to be going to be you and drop to help or they don’t they’re not laying around something same thing collector you have to kill something your shield will regenerate naturally you’re just duck behind covered to feed that up for a second so again I’m gonna argue that you should have a combination of HB and shield but you do need to decide. Should I go majorly in the shield or major league in the HB, but I wouldn’t ignore one or the other mopping build. You can go either way HP probably easier all in on HP. You could even run my to convert all your shield HP and then run HP collector and every time you kill something every two seconds they’re getting back a chunk HB and not to worry about module or whatever or no hard rule. It all depends on the character the player what the characters is going to be used for mostly what the character is his strongest pet. I mean it really is.
Order number because it’s all nine 100 there’s absolutely very little reason to continue to use anything once you get the hard mold that is in the level 100 level whatever that was is going to have a lower HD number for its main stat and a level 100 of the same thing but slower it would be nice if we could transmit those up to level 100 because well I mean yeah I just is kind of stupid because I’m just thinking about all the purple purple ones but everyone knows the level 100 those purple are also shit they’re like half the value of the gold version of it There’s no reason to be using an under level piece once you get the hard mode can go out in 10 minutes and form up our reasonable replacement from almost any component. By the way you can choose for a minute cause you called components models and I’m like wait a minute modules don’t have anystats they’re all the same upgrade
God no, that's what made warframe so brain dead people stopped playing it. If you want an easy game just go to warframe. There should be some degree of challenge here
It's fun and I'm in hardmode w/o spending a dime on "power". I did buy Kyle which I sorta regret. I love the character but his ultimate bugs out alot. Oh and buying power is only a time save. The game gives you 4 or 5 free catalyst w/o farming or paying, 2 energy analyzers and way more inventory space than warframe for guns and characters. The only p2w would be ultimate version like warframe which you can farm for. It's cheaper than a mmorpg even if you spend money
Some people seem to be confused so I would just like to make this clear, I am not telling you to ignore DEF and only build HP. You MUST build DEF no matter what. I am only saying that you should not build a mixture of HP and shields and would be better off ignoring shields entirely in favor of HP unless you are playing a descendant such as Kyle who requires shields for their abilities.
Also resistances don't matter past dead bride. You're only getting 5% element mitigation or so and at later points the dmg is so high 5% is meaningless
I'm so glad that you explained that so simply and to the point❤
This video is gold. Everybody should know this
They really need to rework shields entirely.
100% agree.
I suspect shields are intended as a tiny buffer to absorb chip, not a tanking skill.
@@flakcannon722 Then please explain Kyle character to me. which literally NEEDS shields to use his skills effectively
@@ts552 the intentional exception? Look at his power graph, he has the base shield scaler to do it.
Others go into HP or are intended as glass Cannons.
Looks intentional. A feature.
i ignore def and built only hp, but i also run autoimmunity instead of def.
i have 60k Defense on bunny, im able to tank the hard mod boss executioner to the face.
Yes i still need to try and actively dodge the strongest attacks but im doing fairly ok on it, with 60k defense I can play unga bunga safely till the ads spawn so i can kill them and get hp. Plus im running the gold mod that gives me 9% HP on killing an enemy with a 3 second cooldown.
I still need more Hp cause im only siting at 7k. i need more to start taking advantage of my excess defense.
But im still new so there's some stuff im just not familiär with yet ;/
Thank you for making this. it helped me a lot.
just so you know around 40-45k of def is the sweet spot. you really get huge deminishing returns after that, so you could lower def a bit and spec more into hp o/
@@lopstar4k I personally found 20-30k defense + immunity mod (for whatever element boss you are aiming for, like poison immunity VS poison bosses etc) work perfectly for me
Ajax having a staring Contest with all Hard mode bosses except Gluttony
Building HP with DP is actually the best way to mod to survivability Since DP modifies the toughness of your HP, for example if you have 100hp and no DP 1 enemy hit counts as 10 HP loss. If the enemy crit on you (yes they can) it can be more. Numbers scaling with enemy lvl. However if you have DP on it can make that 1 enemy hit to not take 10 hp instead take 5 if the DP mod has levelled up to the point it provides 50% DP from that point its diminishing the effectiveness of DP but still provides a lot of DMG reduction overall compared to shields where no matter how bit the number is its gonna break pretty fast tho. Btw DP is DEF in Descendant, i am just too used to other games where its called DP but essentially its the same exact thing. This things btw are tested, shields are useless fully, build DP and HP and you dies a lot lot less. Good video tho 😊
Thank you very much for your detailed explanation. I learned a lot from it. However, I still want to ask if defense affects the shield's thickness.
PS: I mainly play Enzo, and since I need to reduce the cooldown of my Z skill to the minimum, I can keep my V skill active continuously. Sacrificing the shield is a tough decision for me.
@@tonydai7691 Yes you still need Defense as it will reduce the damage you take making the shields more effective. Hopefully they buff shields next patch to make Kyle and Enzo stronger.
Dude, this is an overly complicated way to explain damage mitigation HP is health that’s how much life you have. How much health do you have defense simply mitigate certain types of incoming damage before it takes that house it’s no different than damage. Mitigation and almost any game is generally mitigating coming damage sometimes all incoming damage but in this case it’s not all types of incoming damage, just normal damage like fire attack damage so it doesn’t help you in all cases so you need defense and HP and quite frankly shields are not completely useless right sometimes your shields who will die mitigate a large amount of damage and just natural gameplay. maybe you’re out of combat long enough for them to start regaining or maybe you have region in combatstand on one of your items, but your primary build should start with defense and HP
@@tonydai7691 not sure what your bees feel and your whatever skills are how about you speak in game terms not in keyboard terms, but Enzo definitely benefit from maxing out shield and HP but all characters regardless benefit from defense defense is damage reduction for physical damage. my attacks are reduced by defense before they hit your shield your shield of absorb them before breaking, and then your health starts taking your shield on and can be regenerated instantly by 25% and then recharge or regenerated 6% per second after that that percentage is based off your max and shield so you know if you only have 1000 you’re gonna get 250 shield back that shield is equal to 250 damage the same way your shield is an extension of your health bar for fire attack physical attack again if you have a shield and your shield is about to run out and you pop your your children generation you’re going to instantly get 250 but if you have 5000 shield. You’re getting much bigger amount of what is essentially an extended health bar, so yes, and should stick with shield as a priority and then defense every character needs some defense somehow and depending on whether you’re using a Kyle or Enzo, you should also think about some shield for most character. Shield are not important because as the video post video says most of the time you are just gonna be gone they’re not gonna regenerate until you can get out of Kombat for having high defense and especially on a character that cannot regenerator isn’t dependent on having high health and high defense is key is going to help the elemental resistance is gonna help when defense can’t be gone because you can’t regenerate them unless you’re going to that we hide something for a moment to get out of combat final barrier to your characters. Death is your hit point the more you have the longer it takes for them to kill you, you’re using shield or defense element resistance because neither of those two things will help with that your element exist. You would call true damage state are not shielded or reduced by defense.
@@tonydai7691 the way he’s wrong. I mean he’s not wrong in that defense produces been coming damage. He’s wrong in that on an Enzo character. You should be focusing pure priority should be shield health then defense you’re going to mostly just heal away. Any damage you take or are the crack term should be regenerate away. Any damage you take before your shield is gone right if you’re taking physical damage it’s going to be hitting your shield when your shield is gone. It’s going to take away your health if you have the fence why before it’s your shield it’s going to be getting reduced. Do you have loaded panels if you have a big shield, you can push your button to get back up big chunk of shield. There’s no button to push to get back a big chunk of hell so low shield and it’s gone all the time whether or not your health is going to be going away is not a shield is the damage or production over reduces the incoming damage by half the rest is still hitting your shield and then your house again Enzo shield defense ground shield anything else really any other character? Well, what is the name of the tank? He’s got some affinity with that so you’re really should be all in on the event and then and not worry about shields at all and any other character good balance of defense and hip points, every character regardless of elemental resistance because they ignore that and just go at your health
My heart say 1 idk what happened but not matter what i do it still says 1
You know one thing I’ve noticed or thought about with Enzo is doesn’t his ability regenerate a percentage like 25% of a shield so wow you don’t. I don’t agree with you that you ever wanna ignore HP right? Let’s just for shifts and say you do ignore your HP on any character or whatever the shields things like poison just ignore shields altogether and if your shield breaks and you have BHV you’re gonna die instantly to almost any hard stuff right so if you’re playing a character where you know abilities are based on his shields then you need to have shields but you also need to have HP if you’re playing Enzo you still need to have HP The more shield you have the better because he regenerates a portion right percentage of those shields so you know if it’s 25% and you have 1000 shields and ability of shield and shield most characters start with you know what 300 to 500 I haven’t looked at all characters but most of the ones I have they have only about 300 400 shield That is useless right so if you’re playing Enzo shield one is useless that I think will kickstart if you have reduced you know if you have better in combat shield regeneration it’ll kickstart that right I think as well so it’s entirely useless but once you rather have a large chunk of shield and an on-demand shield generationto hit the button and 75 shield 500,000 shield back because you have massive amounts of shield
is that's the same for Lepic?.. focus on HP and not DEF!!
You need DEF as well as HP you should just ignore shields as shields are strictly inferior to HP unless you are playing Kyle.
Would it be best to use two components with DEF and two with HP, or one DEF and the rest of the three as HP?
your module choices depends to your character of choice. Every character have different base DEF/HP/Shield values. paying more priority to whatever your character is have high BASE at pays off better
@@ts552 this isn’t really true defense is percentage based so whether you have 1000 or 10,000 hit points in coming damage is going to be reduced by the amount of defense that you have whether it’s reducing it by 50 or 30 or 25 You’re getting the same amount out of it but you know granted you have to take into consideration that only have 1000 hit points versus you know 30,000 yeah you’re not gonna be able to go after those bosses that can do massive amounts of damage anyway you need a mixture of defense and if you’re playing a shield base character, you need you know max out shields that defense isn’t on he still benefits from the incoming damage reduction, but he needs shields because his abilities are our scaled off shields
@@ts552 and then two doesn’t Enzo have an ability that recharges his shield so having high shields on Enzo would not be a bad idea because you can pop your ability and recharge them
So....big question here is, does defense apply to ahields?
Yes, but I would not build shields unless you are playing Kyle or maybe Enzo as HP is much better than Shields. You do always need to build defense however.
TL;DR: Pick either Shield or HP and ignore the other.
You need 50k def just on ajax 100k or 80k that good after full hp
Why is it always vs. Just have all of them 😂 hp, shield, and def. I got all three maxed. And i tank everything so easy
Full shield on enzo and kyle that op other so bad
I found with most character's you only need to hit a lil over 32k deffense and add auto immunity. Its much more efficient than stacking defense to reach 58k+ needed to see more yields. Wich frees up 2 or even 3 components for hp or shields. A good balance would be one with double shield stats for a 550 shields and other 2 hp. Having the right rolls will mean ur shields on most without mods will hit around 1.5k or higher and will regen very quickly givng cushions of regenerative survivability to get health orbs or survive some light gun fire. This is likely the moat optimal survivability tool with no mod investment for shields.
HP needs regen and or resources increases so in order to get HP back you have to automatically spec into this or YOU WILL be getting picked up constantly cause you have ZERO shields for constant defense and if you don’t spec into HP resource mod you only get 6% HP. 99% of the community stacks HP and forgets about 2 mods then they searching how to survive more and TH-camrs tell him them to add more HP. How you gonna get that HP back without regen or resources😂
You are ignoring a few bags first of all shred regeneration happens in and out of combat with the right components where is hell doesn’t regenerate at all you can pick up or you can modify how much those or give you you can put on modules to grab help when you kill stuff, but it does not regenerate at all ever naturally Shields on the other hand if you’re in a boss fight and you take a gigantic ducking cover and after like one second your shield will start regenerating. If you have shield recovery modifier will generate more quickly. If you have shield, recovery and combat, they will regenerate in combat. I’ll be at a slower rate then if you had children recovery out bad there’s also a shield recovery in combat. Both will speed up your recovery in and out of combat jewel automatically recover auto Kombat. You’ll never recover health auto combat or in combat. There are no mods no mat no nothing I don’t believe anyway no no substance. Nothing that will give you HP recovery in combat. You can modify how fast an orb or how much an orb gives you back with with HB recovery modifier, but there has to be something to start that HB recovery like an orb or HP collector and a kill, so you’re kind of ignoring that aspect of the shield HB flash defense I mean defense and the same thing I don’t know why people compare. Should I have defense or HB of course you need defense defense mitigates all in coming damage of physical nature so you need some defense, but should I only HB or only and shield is that a terrible question if you only have HP then all the damage you take will just be coming off your health and the only way to regenerate that is going to be going to be you and drop to help or they don’t they’re not laying around something same thing collector you have to kill something your shield will regenerate naturally you’re just duck behind covered to feed that up for a second so again I’m gonna argue that you should have a combination of HB and shield but you do need to decide. Should I go majorly in the shield or major league in the HB, but I wouldn’t ignore one or the other mopping build. You can go either way HP probably easier all in on HP. You could even run my to convert all your shield HP and then run HP collector and every time you kill something every two seconds they’re getting back a chunk HB and not to worry about module or whatever or no hard rule. It all depends on the character the player what the characters is going to be used for mostly what the character is his strongest pet. I mean it really is.
Order number because it’s all nine 100 there’s absolutely very little reason to continue to use anything once you get the hard mold that is in the level 100 level whatever that was is going to have a lower HD number for its main stat and a level 100 of the same thing but slower it would be nice if we could transmit those up to level 100 because well I mean yeah I just is kind of stupid because I’m just thinking about all the purple purple ones but everyone knows the level 100 those purple are also shit they’re like half the value of the gold version of it There’s no reason to be using an under level piece once you get the hard mode can go out in 10 minutes and form up our reasonable replacement from almost any component. By the way you can choose for a minute cause you called components models and I’m like wait a minute modules don’t have anystats they’re all the same upgrade
They need to add shield gating
God no, that's what made warframe so brain dead people stopped playing it. If you want an easy game just go to warframe. There should be some degree of challenge here
Neither. Asian p2w trash game
Don't be mad just because you can't afford anything xD
It's fun and I'm in hardmode w/o spending a dime on "power". I did buy Kyle which I sorta regret. I love the character but his ultimate bugs out alot. Oh and buying power is only a time save. The game gives you 4 or 5 free catalyst w/o farming or paying, 2 energy analyzers and way more inventory space than warframe for guns and characters. The only p2w would be ultimate version like warframe which you can farm for. It's cheaper than a mmorpg even if you spend money