As an ER vet, these breeders fill me with rage every time I have them as clients. The reason extreme bully breeders are especially unethical is because these animals are literally incapable of naturally breeding. A lot of exotic bullies cannot mount females and the females can’t naturally pass puppies - they’re all born through C-section. The breeders view them as investments - when something goes wrong (which… between anatomy and human idiocy happens a lot), these are the people that tell me “hold on, let me call my business partner” as their dog is dying. Some examples within the past year… 1) won’t pay for a C-section surgery for their dog because they didn’t realize the dog would need it and it cuts into their profit margin (meanwhile mom and puppies are literally dying). They won’t go to low cost surgery clinics because these shelter-run programs require the animal to be spayed to perform the procedure. 2) refusal to pay to euthanize puppies that have been mutilated by mom due to their lack of oversight (this client smashed our receptionist’s personal phone in a rage - we got to call the cops that night). 3) refusal to neuter “investment” dogs when they have issues like urethral prolapse that can be passed down to offspring (and also prevented by neutering). Or my favorite 4) dog presents in heat stroke (temp 110F) -> “does this mean I can’t leave the other frenchies outside in the heat?” (Also being upset when we tell them the dog is likely infertile now, not grateful at all that we saved the dog’s life). Exotic bullies are just as anatomically fucked as French Bulldogs, English Bulldogs, etc. They are trapped in fleshy prisons that can’t breathe and can barely walk. Show me an exotic bully that’s reached old age before “parting ways” with the breeder. I’ll wait.
I feel the exact same way. Unfortunately I live in hawaii and there is a huge market for frenchies out here. We always try to get the breeders to spay when we have an emergency c-section. Only had one say yes - one out of countless. I just finished a dog sitting gig too for a breeder who leaves all TEN of her dogs outside in the heat. Like yeah they have shade and water, but thats not a good quality of life. Its so sad.
@@Emily-jh9liI was desperately fooling myself that meant literally anything else. How can they say that so openly without any shame???? Even my favorite VIRTUAL PET GAME won't allow you to breed parent & child!!
Inbreeding is so common, I would recommend only adding mutts to your family when possible. There's no chance of inbreeding when the parents are just some random dogs lol. Both Pure breed and Designer breed are red flags for inbreeding to me.
@@WannabeMarysuejep. A lot of pedigree breeders will breed father and daughter or mother and son or grandparents and grandkids. Its sadly not uncommon but its accepted silently. There was a documentary about the dog show in Westminster were a lot of breeders admitted that. Forgot the name though. I think it was mostly about dogs genetically inherited diseases
"These bully breeders have a constant stream of puppies selling for exorbitant prices. Does this make them a puppy mill?" The answer is yes. That's literally a puppy mill. These people need shut down.
Yea Izzy was way too nice on them. These are puppy mills, definition of! Campline Bully or whatever yk the OG the one who owned the first exotic bully Mr Miagi had a video showing off a puppy but you can see that it's in a stacked cage and is all alone. Now idk if they were alone so they didn't develop littermate syndrome but don't isolate your dog! Don't lock them in a cage! Let them play with dogs that aren't part of their litter. It's so easy 😭
Correction. These are not “Cropped” ears and tails. These are cut, as in done incorrectly. This is not surgically done, you can tell easily because It is not supposed to look like this. It is not unheard of for backyard breeders to take scissors to the ears and tail of a newborn puppy to achieve the desired look. Yes, I mean with kitchen scissors. That is why the tails look like Cheetos and the edges of many of their ears are deformed; It is due to the scarring from improper cropping and docking. They do not sedate or give the puppies pain relief when this is done, some psychopaths think newborn puppies can’t feel pain.
"Some psychopaths think newborn puppies can't feel pain." People literally use this exact same argument for human newborns when discussing circumcision. The existence of the word "humane" is really freaking ironic.
Reminds me of the time people thought surgery on newborn humans wasn't inhumane because they couldn't feel pain. Everyone really is retarded if you think about it
@@courtykat In a less extreme example; It used to be really common to get babies ears pierced for the same reason. We use this justification for a million thing.
@@courtykatthe trauma so many babies went through. How I agreed with it for so long due to being raised “that ‘s how it is and how it should be,” now that I’m 33 cannot imagine doing this to a baby. Makes my stomach hurt that we can be so intelligent and so ignorant at the same time. I’ve thought a lot about it actually and it truly upsets me that we have so much power and knowledge and we still treat everything like garbage. Sad rant over. 😔
Hi, local dog enthusiast here to add some additional notes for anyone interested in having even more reasons to hate breeders like this (and finish off with responsible dog attainment): 1. A chunk of these breeders tend to breed their dogs way too young, and way too often. This is exceedingly dangerous for the mother and pups, and unfair to every single dog involved. 2. On the cropping of the ears: Even by standards that folks that support it go, a large chunk of those crops are botched as hell- Personally I'm against cropping altogether for pets. I leave room for exception of some livestock guardian breeds who have it done for safety precautions. (Long ears can lead to being an easy grabbing point for many predators, which can spell trouble for a dog that's doing it's job). When we're talking about cropping/docking for aesthetics? Horrendous, cruel, unnecessary procedure. 3. As I'm sure others have swiftly pointed out: "Bred Back" is a term used by these folks when they inbreed the dogs. The number emojis next to the names? Unfortunately, that's how many times that same single dog can be found in one breeding line. So our unfortunate friend Black Excellence? is the product of SEVERE inbreeding, I don't even want to KNOW just how far gone that line is- Not that... I'm terribly surprised, with the way these dogs look, some of em look ai generated when you REALLY go down the rabbit hole, buuuuut it's worth pointing out. 4. Even if the dogs WEREN'T inbred, they have no chance at a good quality of life with that anatomy. When you change a dogs literal skeletal structure, add on a metric ton of muscles, the organs are put under strain. Don't forget, they gotta have their brains, lungs, digestive system, and various other things crammed in there. Not to mention, with the posture some of those dogs have, they're going to have dislocations and arthritis galore. All this to say... Adopt or Shop Responsibly. Rescues can be a lot of work, and aren't for everyone. I know because I was a foster for several large high-energy, untrained, fearful, and/or reactive dogs up until my health declined and I physically couldn't handle those cases anymore. It takes a LOT of hard work, dedication, and willingness to make adaptations to your lifestyle... But frankly, that's true of any pet. They're worth the work, if you're able to handle it. If you're going through a breeder (which, yes, there are valid reasons to go through a breeder... i.e. service dog work, livestock guardian, a pet I edited to add this, I forgot to say that, thank you replies for catching me on this, etc.), you HAVE to be careful who you're supporting. Ask questions, do research, and take it slow and easy.
dude ty for this comment 😭 there are so many ppl who demonize the idea of getting a purebred dog (i understand the stigma don’t get me wrong) but rescues can be prone to SO many behavioral and health issues. and i say this as someone with a rescuer dog and 2 rescue cats
@@maijashmaija Of course!! I like to spread the info so folks don't feel absolutely awful about looking into a purebred, or feel pressured to take in a dog that they may not be able to handle... That just leads to more problems, and dogs who are in and out of the shelter several times! The border collie mix I fostered for five years is a prime example... She was at FIVE HOMES in the span of SIX MONTHS before she got to me... So I was SUPER picky about her forever home, as she was VERY needy. Dog aggressive, outright fearful of pitbulls, men, and children due to her history, anxious at the best of times, severe seperation anxiety (though I did manage to help her through many of these issues, it wasn't perfect... Which is understandable with all she experienced in her early life.) Unfortunately, I did have to hand her over to a rescue who was better equipped than I was to handle her reactivity and exercise needs, as the 5-year mark was when my health spiraled... Though I AM happy to report that she now has a loving forever home! I digress, there ARE ethical breeders, and good reasons to get a pet from a breeder! Ya just gotta hunt for the good ones, and do research.
@maijashmaija Also a lot of rescue organizations have absolutely insane requirements, it seems to have become a thing after COVID when everyone wanted to adopt a dog. A surprising amount of them will only adopt to people who own a house with a fenced in yard and who work from home every day.
Why can't people learn that breeding dogs a certain way JUST for how they look _NEVER_ goes well. I can't even _begin_ to imagine how many health issues those poor things have.
That’s what happens with certain morons. They obsess over aesthetic, the dogs to them are not dogs anymore. They’re accessories, made to show off to others. Rather than a living being that deserves to be loved. It’s love that should matter, not the appearance of your pets.
It makes me think of pugs. I heard the Netherlands government is trying to debreed them to become how they used to be before the whole health issues arose. Edit: Fixed which government it was.
This exactly. It's not exactly the same but in Wobbledogs I like to breed my Wobbledogs for extreme traits (long bodies, massive tails, tons of legs, and tiny heads being a few examples) but usually those dogs also have the most issues moving and doing stuff. This stuff should stay relegated to video games.
I’ve been working at a vet clinic for 2 years now and we’ve finally met our first two exotic bullies within the last few months. It was heartbreaking. Heartbreaking to see these dogs that could hardly move and breathe, but wanted to so badly. One of them was a puppy who just wanted to play and they just couldn’t. The only solace for this breed is their short lifespan.
There is a certain kind of horror to being an exotic bully. Like imagine, everything in your ancestry says you were meant to run and swim and play. Be highly energetic and mobile. But no matter how much you want to do that, you can't. You're trapped inside a barely functioning body where just breathing puts a stress on your lungs and internal systems. Your joints and bones constantly hurt, and you can't even breathe very well not only because of your messed up organs, but also because of your face being brachycephalic. But you still have that drive, that need, that want to _move_ . And despite that you can't. You have the will, the want to be a dog, but you are trapped inside a failing body. You are trapped in one spot, but you _must_ run.
This is why I think pretty much any and all 'pure' breeding is unethical. You end up with animals with more and more exaggerated features that impact the very way their bodies function. They live miserable, painful lives which are often shorter than those of their ancestors from even only a hundred years ago. Breeders like to act like breeds are real, defined genetic categories dogs fit into but they're almost entirely cosmetic and most are only as old as the victorians, whose upper echelon were infamously so bored that they spent their time doing utterly heinous activities such as eating mummies. I feel the same way about munchkin cats. How terrible to be a cat and unable to even jump normally because humans decided you having 'cute' nubs for legs took precedence over your quality of life. Rant over. Mic drop. I dropped the mic on my foot. Ciao
As a long-time owner of rescue pittie mixes (all dogs from the city shelter and then also one who someone brought into my vet clinic as a stray) these ARE energetic dogs! They're not necessarily "sporting" dogs, but they're plucky! They LOVE to snooze, but they also need to spend an hour or so a day RUNNING around. There isn't a middle-ground - they're up OR down, never in-between. They tackle each other, chase each other, hump each other (unfortunately, lol) and then go right to sleep. These overbred dogs with a 100-inch waist have all the problems of English bulldogs, PLUS the terrors of being hideously inbred, with a "drive" that's BRAGGED about by their evil breeders - a drive that asks for high activity when they're literally incapable of it without endangering themselves. They're incredibly prone to skin allergies, food allergies, and pododermatitis stemming from those allergies. These dogs' bones aren't built to hold their weight because pit-bull genetics expect a lithe and athletic frame (for instance, in my very healthy dogs, you CAN see their muscles because they're strong as hell, and they also have a defined waist, visible bone structure, and can use their bodies to RUN as opposed to being forced to waddle. Their heads don't weigh down their entire neck, they look like they work out instead of taking anabolic steroids, and they don't get heat stroke just from looking out the window. If they get a little chunky because I get a little too liberal with treats, it doesn't break their knees. All three of my current dogs do have allergies of some kind, but nothing so severe that it causes frequent skin or ear infections. When people breed a dog on purpose, it should be purposeFUL. The FIRST goal of breeding should ALWAYS be health and longevity, followed by ANYTHING else. They shouldn't be looking for the dog who "looks tough" (and honestly, these dogs DON'T look tough, because someone on crutches could outrun them even before the dog passes out from heat stroke or dislocates their hip) they should be looking for the dog that aligns with their (sane) goals: Guardians: the dog is gentle with and protective of smaller animals with whom they're acquainted Herding: the dog is very task-oriented, the dog is smart and loyal and trainable Service dogs: the dog is gentle but intelligent, and aims to please Companions: the dog just lives to be cuddled and is tolerant of invasive behaviors from their owners and other people Hounds: they hunt Breeding for looks should always be secondary, and breeding for looks that cause suffering shouldn't be accepted or even permitted. As a vet tech and dog rescuer who sees the horrors of things like breeding Frenchies (dystocia and allergies) and and bulldogs (also dystocia and allergies actually) and "XL bullies" (see above) and CKCSs (syringomyelia) and other malformed dogs, adopt your dogs from a shelter when they're about 6 months old instead of buying a horrible mutant dog. The only way to stop people from breeding like this (right now - until we can enact laws to stop them) is to deprive them of income. They'll stop if there's not money to be had.
I’m located in Tampa (where “Florida’s Newest Stud” is) and several months ago I went to the humane society to drop off some donations and I had a look around the shelter while I was there. I saw several of these “extreme” breeds. One that was in the puppy room had legs that were so splayed and disfigured he could barely move around his pen, and his panting was loud and laboured. Less than a year into his life, this “extreme” puppy was already living in a shelter, brought into existence by the greed of these backyard breeders. These dogs are marketed and discarded like objects. I hate it.
Yeah the splayed leg one is likely a “Toadline” they breed for that specifically. Much like chow chow’s and Rottweilers after their popularity there is going to be a rash of these guys ending up in the shelter system. The difference being Rottweiler’s and Chow Chow’s were at least healthy and likable. They also had dedicated breed rescues. These guys are controversial and have way too many health problems that by the time they end up at a shelter. They’re likely going to be euthanized.
@@Mostie-ev7oh (pretext: what I say here Isnt an opposing viewpoint. Just a genuine expression of confusion) I say this as a person who adores frogs and toads, (fave animal since I was like, 5 or 8) I have no idea why anyone would want a dog toad. Toads do toad things, dogs do dog things. Combine the 2, and you end up with something horrific, unable to preform the things a dog should do.
Based on photos I'm guessing thar it gers easier to walk as they grow, but imo that's worse. You're denying a dog the ability to move on its own until it reaches a certain age? The chance that the dog will just give up on walking is close to none but never zero. They look like their legs are bent like they broke their bones or something how can younfind this cute?
I’m in Canada and I’m a dog groomer. We recently got this English bulldog that comes in for nail trims and she was a breeding dog that was going to be euthanized because she couldn’t have any more puppies. When the new owners got her both her eyes were glued shut from infection and her nipples were bigger than my thumbs and her nails were grown into the paw pads. Her ears are so badly infected the ear canal is barely open if not closed. I’m so disgusted by breeders. It also makes me mad that nobody who got puppies from her asked to see the parents or said anything if they did see the mom and her condition
I do wish they would ban the breed. Not ban from being loved and cared for, but banned from future breeding projects. We already have soso many Bully's. Especially in FL . I love them but it's not at all fair to them to keep being bred and treated the day they are
@@grimmick9446we also need to ban pugs,frenchies ,and English bull dogs. Despite “corrective” breeding we’ve not noticed the conditions they experience decrease
There is a bill to ban the breeding of brachycephalic dogs but a lot of breeders think it's their right to breed dogs that can't breathe and that will desperately need surgery within a few years.
I couldn’t stop thinking about these dogs. There is something so weirdly sexual about how those micro/nano bully breeders talk about them. The whole emphasis on how young they are and who they’re breeding them with, phasing it like “using them on”. Just rancid vibes allround.
that "attend a live breading!" post immediately set off blaring alarm bells in my head, like *why* would you wanna go see that?? rancid vibes is very accurate
It's almost like a dick measuring contest. They're making these obscene caricatures of what they think being "tough and masculine" looks like. The more the breeders push the Big Bad Dog image they've created, the more the animals suffer...
@monicag6076 I could be totally misinformed but don't these dogs have to be artificially inseminated because they're so messed up? So... like... you're paying to watch somebody jerk off a dog?? 😭
@@CharlesFreck Nah, this is just the internet's usual "everyone I don't like is secretly a sex criminal, wow I really hope they're a sex criminal, please do sex crimes please do sex crimes please do sex crimes" thing.
Its common in most animal breeding (even ethical!) i ethically breed pet and show line mice (3 months old before breeding, litters reduced to small numbers to reduce strain on momma and more milk for pups, 2 litters per mom in her life, 2 months of break before her next litter, hq food mix and large enclosures) and its common to use “produced” but more in a “produced by mousery name” as like, a credit for lineage/credit to the breeder, but the way THESE breeders use it/word it is….gross
Lol, how funny. In biology we constantly use “produce” “to produce” etc as a common term when discussing and learning about sex/progeny/offsprings/lineages and other subjects related to it (genetics, evolution, ecology, . . . ). It’s not really that “gross” of a term
@@truefalse934 Context, my friend. For instance, female is also used frequently in biology, but when you start calling human girls and women "the females", it's rarely not gross and weird.
The way they talk is like they are talking about weed and growing weed. Because it's normal to inbred weed and revered it in. But that's plants so it's not a issue. THESE are dogs. It's absolutely cruel
I work at petsmart, there was once a bully dog that came in and had major underbite, the jaw was practicality 2 inches off. The owner said "that's just how he was born". It's not just the breeders that are contributing to this problem, but also the people that buy these animals.
Lot of people in America struggle to grapple with the idea other people are worth treating like their life has intrinsic value. How do you expect us to treat our dogs?
Sadly a lot of the american breed standards literally advocate for horrible genetic breeding like this. Part of the breed standard is these flatfaces that basically make the dog unable to breathe. There are people fighting against it and there is a bill to ban the breeding of brachycephalic dogs but it's gotten a lot of pushback because these breeders don't care that they're actively making dogs who will suffer their entire life.
As a vet tech I have a traumatic experience with a bully dog; this poor dog had so many health problems that required a lot of treatment but he was so aggressive we could barely touch him with out him trying to attack us and no amount of sedatives seemed to help… it was really sad and really scary (he attacked me while I was trying to give him a vaccine). Long story short, the plethora of health problems combined with the aggression make them impossible to treat when they’re sick and it’s so sad. Not all bullies are aggressive of course, I’ve had puppymill mamas come in who are very sweet but they come with a whole host of other health issues due to being overbred. The whole bully thing upsets me so much, like the breeders should have to pay for the emergency airway surgery every single one of those puppies is gonna need with their extremely short and small noses!
Its terrifying. Some are the sweetest babies ever and others are bred to rip your throat out on site. Even the sweet ones tend to be nightmares just due to genetic deformities. I had one pass in my arms during an ear cleaning at a routine visit. He was fine, not aggressive, then just stopped breathing. I worked on him for 45 minutes and had to console the two sobbing owners, and it wasn't the first time this had happened to him unfortunately..
I know it's a term for dogs but the way these breeders use the word "b*tch" makes me want to throw up. It's like they're treating dogs as objects to be bred, but not as sweet loving creatures with their own unique personalities. I hate what that word has become for these types of hyper masculine dog "lovers".
and these dogs suffer a lifetime of health issues/ behavioral issues just to make money and Instagram points. If that's not animal abuse, I don't know what is
I found a post I’d saved of one of these people’s “new stud dog!!” (Translation: seven month old puppy) That post was made in 2022 and that dog is already dead, with dozens of offspring. They never say what the dog died from. Unless the kennel gets struck by lightening every couple months, these people are knowingly breeding dogs that will die before adulthood. My theory is that it’s honestly a draw for these people. They breed hundreds of puppies a year, hop on new color trends every few months, and get a new stud every week. With how many dogs they cycle through, it’s convenient that the dogs only last as long as a new iPhone. It means they can get the “new model” without commitment, and they don’t have to care for the dogs they bought a few years ago that are now out of style.
The moment i realised breeders of brachycephalic dogs are the biggest scums of this earth was during my internship with a zoopsychologist. A small bully she knew came up. The dog played a little and then just threw up. Water. I asked my teacher whats going on and she answered "yeah, these dogs do that. They sometimes throw up if they play too long" and it wasnt even 10 minutes!
As a veterinary technician, I have lost count in how many c-sections we have done on french bulldogs in the past 12 months ALONE. I have had a bully pass in my arms during a routine visit due to being brachycephalic (snub nosed and unable to breathe), we did CPR for 45 minutes and no success. It was truly heartbreaking, the dog had a history of coding (dying) during routine visits - it was sad and not a life any animal should have to live. These animals have little to no quality of life. When they wake up from surgery we often leave their Endotracheal tubes in longer when they wake up due to it being the best they'll ever breath. Bullys are the sweetest, but also the only breed to ever break skin on me. It truly does depend on training and genetics.
they’re great dogs but it breaks my heart to see the explosion in popularity that frenchies have experienced in recent years. they come with more issues than your average poodle or yorkie but the people getting them for aesthetic reasons either don’t know or don’t care. you don’t want to see any dogs be the subject of puppy mills but dogs that already tend toward health issues are especially hard for me to see taken advantage of.
We had a Frenchie spayed at my work recently and we left the ET tube in for like an hour after she woke up. The doctor kept pointing out how alert and lively she seemed. It’s true that they will often never get a chance to breathe that well again.
I saw one of these in the dog park when I visited with a few friends and their dogs. These things really look like that, they walk as if they were in constant pain, breathe as if they were about to suffocate, and are extremely slow. They are unable to play with regular dogs because of that.
The commodification of dog breeds has always been immoral and now that it's come into the modern age of COURSE it would go hand in hand with the bitcoin manosphere. This disgusts me on a personal level because just one week ago my roommate found a two month old puppy in the rain (her age is assumed by vets). She seems to be a pitbull lab mix, and she was just skin and bones when we found her. She's already doing so much better and is a healthy pup, but videos like this make me only assume HOW a pitbull mix puppy got abandoned...
I’m so happy to hear that the puppy you found is doing better!! A similar story from my family: Years ago my sister adopted a dog from a shelter. He had been found abandoned in the desert around Tucson. We always suspected that he had some pitbull XL mixed into him. He does have that signature pittie musculature (although a longer snout makes it easier for him to breathe), and frankly even by shelter dog standards he was difficult to train. But the extra training was so, so worth it. He’s been a wonderful pet and gentle companion to my sister’s two kids for many years. Last year my sister paid for one of those expensive doggie DNA tests and it confirmed what we always thought: The little dude is fully 50% American Pitbull XL. And to think, somebody once abandoned this wonderful puppy in the Arizona desert. :( He might have been thrown out because of his mixed breeding or his appearance… In other words, because he wasn’t a perfect “commodity.” But it’s probably thanks to that mixed breeding that he has lived a longer and healthier life than many purebred pitties. Anywhoo, I wish the puppy that you found many healthy and happy years, too!
My uncle adopted a Staffordshire. He to was skin and bones, neutered to early so his brain never developed normally and he will always act like a puppy even when grown. He was beaten, set ablaze at his tail tip, cut with a knife, got cigarette buds put out on him. He was heavily abused for nearly one and a half years and it only stopped because they diagnosed his owner with mental illness and locked her up....
We had a pittie/lab too. (Only in past tense bc he lives with my brother). Your roommate seems to care a lot for her, so I hope you're prepared for a very large but very loving dog if you guys decide to keep her!
As someone whose family ran a rescue for 13 1/2 years there are a myriad of reasons we got for owner surrendered dogs which is a nice way of saying someone dumping a dog off on us, but most if not all boil down to the owners being lazy, or growing bored because the dog isnt as cute as it was when they bought it, or in the case of military just straight up abandoned which is why we rarely adopted to them. But yeah most people are lazy when it comes to training, socializing and enriching their dogs and when it becomes to much work they dump them, in the shelters, rescues or on the side of the road, that portion of my life blackpilled me on a majority of pet owners esp ones who own dogs like bullies, GSD, and rotties
So? You can preorder your pets. I preordered my cat. You hear of a recent birth, and ask the breeder if you could put a deposit on the one you want till they are ready in 10 weeks
@@lozdogsimo1782yeah I did the same thing with my puppy. It was a ethical golden retriever breeder. I just didn’t want anyone else to claim him before I could. I have a month before he is ready to come home
I did with my golden retriever puppy… I just didn’t want anyone else to claim him before I could. They were an ethical small local breeder. The mother was a healthy 3 year old golden and the father was a healthy 2 year old one.
that's pretty normal. People just buy a place in line to pick out a puppy since even if you know a dog will have 8 puppies that doesnt mean all 8 will survive long enough to be sold, some just die naturally. Same story with any presitgious animal line, i've seen similar with horse and cattle studs for show or for meat/dairy lines.
I used to dog sit a shih tzu who was rescued from a puppy mill. She had been forced to endure so many pregnancies, and she looked much older than her years. She couldn’t see, hear, control her bladder or walk very far. Truly such a sweetie though. I can’t imagine the quality of life for the dogs in these puppy mills- all the general horrors plus even more health issues.
The problem is the type of person who would purchase such a dog as a status symbol is also the type of person who doesn't care about correctly training their dogs.
I feel like "can they generally mate and birth without assistance" is a good checkmark when it comes to whether we whould be breeding animals as well 😬
@@hedgeyes6411 pandas managed it perfectly fine in the wild for thousands of years. Just because they don't breed well in captivity doesn't mean they don't breed well in the wild. They're endangered because of habitat loss, not because they can't get it on
A dog eugenicist talking about the genetics of their stud and calling it "Black Excellence" is a type of tone deafness that I cannot even begin to articulate.
the problem is that a lot of these breeders are poc/racial minorities. i've found that there actually aren't a lot of white people in this particular circlejerk. they're too busy supporting pug breeders or chihuahuas ig lol
I mean all the breeders of these things are black, that's definitely a fact. It's probably a large reason why the police are so reticent about putting an end to it
That’s one big thing I noticed, they seem to specifically market to black men and by doing so perpetuate harmful stereotypes about both pitbulls and black men
These dogs are the opposite of Eugenic and these particular breeders are the opposite of Eugenicists. Eugenics literally means “Good Breeding.” What these breeders are doing is the complete opposite of that. They are doing Dysgenics, which means “bad breeding”
certified veterinary nurse here!!! these dogs are actually insane - ive seen “toad bullies”, at my clinic, double merle frenchies”, hell, i even saw a fluffy frenchie a week ago (seriously, some people are buying fluffy frenchies for over $100,000) the breeding of designer dogs has been ruining amazing breeds. doodle mixes with abhorrent breeds, frenchies that are bred for bigger facial folds, pitties that can hardly walk with how their limbs are positioned…we need to seriously put an end to this. i whole heartedly believe in ethical breeding. if youre breeding, you should be breeding to breed out genetic issues, to breed for work/temperament, and to overall just better the breed itself
What did they breed with a frenchie to make a fluffy one?? I looked up a picture and i scared for what they are mixed with. Even if they are just breeded to be fluffier i wonder what they sacrificed for looks.
I'd also say there's nothing inherently wrong breeding with an asthethic in mind, but it cannot ever compromise the animal’s health. It’s kinda like a house, you aren’t a criminal for wanting something that looks good but if the foundations aren’t good then the house is shit
Divorced from the bad breeding practices those posters are hysterical. If my dog had puppies I would 100% make a weird mma fight poster to give away the puppies. Fortunately my dog is fixed and a boy so I don't think I'll need to any time soon.
i’ve seen some really really nice litter announcements by ethical breeders! my puppy was also featured in a “look out for/up and coming” ad for her mom that was really nice. but yeah… i think it would be hysterical if an ethical breeder decided to do one of these garish posters just for fun lol
"it's all about the owner, not the breed." Crazy how every lab I've ever owned loves the water and every blue healer I've ever had loves herding. I wonder what I did to accidentally train these dogs to do what they were bred to do.
@@iphoneasmr4610 Saw a pit on my walk today and the owner had to take it off the trail into the bushes far away from my dog. He looked terrified of his own dog and what it might do, lmao. Never Seen a Labrador like that, lol. It's not _every_ one but the majority I see are aggressive, poorly trained, and owned by a trashy weirdo.
For a bit of light in the darkness of the dog breeding world: there is a French Bulldog breeder named Chantal Wageveld-van Kruining who started a project to breed for health instead of aesthetics. Essentially, he is tring to breed to elongate their snouts and reduce their inherent respiratory problems. The original French Bulldog may have had a shorter snout, but it was nowhere near as squished and stuffy as the current breed's nose. The "trendy" flat nose of this breed causes so many breathing problems and seems to be the most obvious issue, but there are also spine and hip problems prevalent. He runs a kennel called the Hawbucks Franse Bulldog Kennel and their official website explains their goal and why it came about. It's a project born from the incredible love and care they have for this breed. His first Frenchie ultimately passed away from health problems related to her breed and it was a large inspiration for his desire to give something back to the dog he grew to love so dearly, even past her passing. Sorry this is really long, I just think it's super cool and inspirarional. I hope we see more breeding projects like this in the future.
I love to hear about these kinds of projects! I hope all kinds of dogs suffering from the results of over-breeding and human vanity can have people as willing to try and help get their breeds back on track and happy and healthy. It's good to know that some people actually do care about the animals.
There are programs like this for the English Bulldog, too! The Olde English Bulldogge, Leavitt Bulldog, and Continental Bulldog are all new strains of English Bulldog bred to recreate the early-1800s bulldog and reduce some of the health issues endemic in the current breed.
@@minna2911right? all these people breeding “retro” pugs etc and mixing for longer snouts aren’t exactly preserving the breed. BOAS isn’t determined by snout length.
@@shyla9062 retro pugs/puggles etc are so sad because these breeds deserve better but all these mutt breeders are only making the risk of health issues and bad temperaments grow and grow 😭
That poor dog didn't even make it to 10 years old, but the lifespans of these extreme breeds tend to be so short that the breeder felt no shame in posting the fact that his prized stud didn't even make it to old age.
Absolutely understandable, there's no way something like this can biologically function properly, thicker muscles, lower/stocky build do not work well if your a quadroped. Imagine fucking up this much when it comes to biology.
@@pessien8474 Most can't even deliver puppies naturally, they need c-sections. It's fucked. At least some other dog breeds used to serve a purpose (even if that purpose wasn't very humane). These dogs exist just to be memes.
Yeah, I had to say goodbye to my dog not too long ago and him being so well behaved made me realize how so many people don't actually respect their dogs. Even if they love them....
I have a Great Dane. My breeder is trying to breed the health issues SLOWLY out of the breed, the back yard breeding of Danes is horrible. My breeder will have a liter once a season if the opportunity raises, and the puppies she helps bring into the world are healthier with a longer life span than average. Extensive health testing and natural attraction is key. Oh, and she doesn't "sell" the puppies, they are all in her healthy Danes program.
@@madambluewaveYour breeder is doing good work! Great Danes are amazing and hearing that she doesn't profit off the litters she produces makes my heart soar. Giant breeds can absolutely live long lives if they are bred and cared for properly. If programs like this happened for every kind of dog I'd be happy.
@@alam4359 Yes, like forcing them to say hi to someone even when they're scared. Seen numerous chihuahua parents and other small toy breed ones do this and its sad.
As someone with an American Bully, it’s like having a dog who can’t fully be a dog. Mine was re-homed with my family but originally came from a debunked backyard breeder issue. There are too many issues. My American Bully, Beans, can’t go too far and do as much as other dogs. He has all this energy but his shape only allows for so much. He overheats. If you want one, adopt. I don’t think bully breeding is truly ethical. Be prepared for high vet bills and maintaining health too. Thanks for covering this!
I should have added, despite all of this, my dog isn’t as bad as the ones shown here (oh my god what are these people doing) and is genuinely pretty happy. It’s just he has some specific struggles do to breeding, one which cost him his tail. He still does overheat though.
im glad to hear thanks to your elaboration that your dog at least is doing pretty well health wise and happiness wise despite the circonstances, but it's crazy to me that breeding them is still legal! Sometimes i wonder how people can be so terrible to animals, and then remember people are awful to other people on the regular so it really shouldn't surprise me anymore...
So happy to hear you talk about this unethical breeding. A family member of mine bought a French bulldog and within a few years they ended up paying over $20,000 just in severe health complications. These poor creatures don’t deserve to be bred into oblivion all for “looks”.
It’s unfortunately the term used for modern day dog breeding/cross-breeding. Cross-breeds such as labradoodles, goldenoodles, schnoodles, and plenty of other ‘oodles are considered designer dogs It feels so gross
@@thisisapictureofmydog.isnt9208 designer is sort of termed from the actual dog community it is purposeful. designer is a derogatory thing because it references "exotic" (aka hypertype) dogs or mutts that are only bred for money (like doodles)
We’re currently in the process of adopting a “micro bully” dog from a rescue, from what the rescue has said and what they can infer is that she was used for breeding for a couple years then just dumped somewhere, where she was then found and brought to the rescue. If these backyard breeders have no more use for their dogs they literally just get rid of them and it’s DISGUSTING.
Pet that girl for me, okay? I'm scared of dogs, so I wouldn't be able to do it myself, but it warms my heart when critters with difficult pasts get to be taken care of for the first time.
Dogs were never meant to evolve in such a way. I always feel sad when I think about how we took wolves and completely ruined them for aesthetic purposes. Makes me realize humans are literally the worst beings on this earth.
One of my chihuahuas is a puppy mill rescue, (cops dismantled the operation and she got put up for adoption) she was kept in a cage for years. she has a burn scar over her ear and she used to be extremely anxious, still tenses up completely when being picked up after 9 years of being with us. We had to train her to stop eating her own poop. Puppy mills are abusive in more than just the disregard for the the dogs' reproductive health
One thing- these dogs are absolutely NOT bred as fighting dogs. There is no debate. Physically, fighting pit bulls are incredibly athletic dogs. Many of them are built more like Whippets or Malinois than anything “bully”, and the ones that are heavier in type NEVER come close to anything like this. A organized dog fight can last anywhere from 15 minutes to over 2 hours, and the fight is lost if the dog backs down or refuses to attack his opponent when separated from him by his handler. These exotic bully dogs can barely move- in every video of them on a show bench, their tongues are purple from lack of oxygen and they’re heaving for air just for standing still. What these breeders are doing is capitalizing on the reputation of fighting dogs by using that aesthetic to market what are essentially a less healthy version of the French Bulldog.
not that i think it would be better if they were breeding the dogs to be fighters, but there's something uniquely embarrassing about dropping thousands of bucks on the "toughest" looking dog possible purely so you can SEEM like the type of guy who runs dog fights.
I guess the one upside is that they are not a danger to the public if they end up in the hands of someone who doesn’t know how to handle a breed prone to aggression.
14:28 they point out that 10 of the 19 humans killed by dogs in the UK were killed by xl bullies. thats a single breed representing almost half of all deaths. 16:04 they may not be being bred to fight, but its clear they are intentionally being taught to be aggressive.
When I was a dog bather, clients with bully breeds (not pits) were some of the most obnoxious and entitled clients we dealt with. Some were also paranoid and claimed their dog was a different breed (out of fear?). These dogs also had lots of health problems with breathing, allergies, and joint pain.
i feel so bad for exotic bullies 😭 the whole trend of breeding them is genuinely disgusting, especially because there ARE ethical breeders (not ethical breeders of exotic bullies- there’s no such thing as ethically breeding those little freaks) out there who care for their dogs and their dogs’ health.
I SOO agree. As one who wants to go into showing dogs, I despise bad breeders throwing dirt on the names of people who are actually trying (and yes, there is a movement in the dog show world to bring bracyphaelic breeds back to health - not everyone is pushing for flatter faces)
You wanna know something even more fucked up about the exotic bully breed? They specifically breed for aberrant traits like Hydrocephaly and call it “Alien Line”. When the dog also has the fucked up spread out legs like Venusaur from Pokemon they call it “Toad Line”. Like this breed of dog which I’m dubious about calling dogs at this point. They only originate from at least one line which in dog breeder term’s means the beginning/founding dog’s who were used to start the breed. They do close inbreeding which is the worst form of it. I’m talking sires aka the dad dog being almost bred with their six month old daughters when they have their first heat. These dogs also have to be born via c-sections. Personally I’m of the belief that if the breed can’t be born naturally without a c-section it shouldn’t exist.
@@Mostie-ev7oh Oh good god I found some animal abusive asshole who bought a toadline on reddit in r/ruinedbreeds who was defending their breeder and insisting their poor dog had no health problems and your comment reminded me. How can people be so greedy and revoltingly cruel?
@toaststroodles2959 Thanks for the essay 🥹✨ I'm a vet student so that's a big part of my education. It's not only domestic animals (!), the breeding history of white tigers is actually crazy
They’re advertising these poor dogs like men’s clothing or deodorant. There’s no way in hell they’re doing proper genetic testing to make sure they’re being set to a good life, and I feel so bad for the momma puppers, those poor babies can’t be in good condition. The dogs themselves are cute (I grew up with pitbulls so I can’t really see them as scary, they’re just adorable to me) but you can see that the breeding is being pushed more than a little too far.
yeah...I unfortunately suspect this has more than a modicum of truth to it, especially considering the dogs are physically incapable of reproducing naturally, which necessitates the breeders to um. yeah fuck this shit lol
Gender roles in general seem very fetishy to me. It's the way these people push them onto literal animals that don't have the concept of gender expression. Hypermasculinity is the absolute worst, it's so extreme to the point where it's goofy as hell and I can't take it seriously.
Breeding for traits that will negatively affect the animal's quality of life should be illegal. These poor dogs are an extreme example, but there are plenty of established 'offocial' breeds that cause a lot of unnecessary animal suffering as well.
The AKC considers ear cropping and tail docking "standard" for many breeds. No matter how official you go, there is abuse in anything profit-driven with animals involved.
@@DreamtaleEnjoyerThe AKC doesn’t really profit off the cropping of dogs. It’s an internal politics thing. The scene is run by old people who hate change, so no change is made. It’s an enormous issue in basically all kennel clubs that exist, despite the benefit kennel clubs can provide as organizations.
@@arnicamoana7861 I bet they profit off those internal politics in some way... But yeah, you're right, my two sentences weren't really related. However, I do have to add that the people who actually do the cropping are absolutely in it for the money. Any respectable vet with the slightest care for animals will turn you away if you utter the words dock, crop, or debark.
THANK YOU for bringing this issue to light. I’m tired of people assuming I hate pitbulls because I won’t give their personality a chance or something; it’s because many XL breeds are inherently inhumane to breed and usually cared for irresponsibly.
Right has to hijack every damn conversation and derail it like making the pitbull debate be a veiled way to talk about race. I just want dogs to be bred responsibly by us humans in a way they aren't literally born into a life of pain without having to explain how dumb this is to apply to people.
That's the thing, almost all large dog breeds are bred to have even temperament and docilility, which bulldogs are bred for the opposite. There is a reason you don't hear about saint barrnards eating babies that often. Dog behavior between their parens and breed wide is surprisingly consistent. A lot of the dogs behavior is genetic. source: I'm a dog breeder
@@leowilliamson1573 The ironic part is crying racism for saying pitbull are inherently more aggressive, yet at the same time declare the reason for stats for incidentent for bulldogs is so high is because their owners are black and inner city.
@@AL-lh2ht its a mix of both temperment and environment. Yes dogs like golden retrievers are alot more docile behavior wise. And bulldogs have more temperamental behaviors. But alot more things get into it. .I think attacks do happend way more because of their reputation. Your going ti have way more agressive dogs when owners specifically gets one for that perticular reason. They might also be more popular as "accessory pets" and so alot of people dont train them. I notice that alot of docile breeds are often family breeds and more hostile ones are often the abused accessory pet or used for ither purpose like dog fightings. I do think bulldogs have more of a temperment and are harder to train. Tho i really dont think that the people who gets them wants those dogs for their physical attributes more then actually taking good care of them. I think its both due to temperment and how respected the breed is. I still dont think there is any bad dogs. Only bad owners.
The problem with bully breeds over other unethical breeds like doodles is the machismo around it leading them to end up with shitty owners that let them misbehave until they hurt someone or other animals because they naturally tend to not want to let go once they start attacking. Meanwhile a lot of doodles are neurotic but when they bite they just get sent to a shelter or put up on facebook. I've also noticed a lot of these breeders are the types of people that go from get rich quick scheme to another until the find out dogs were lucrative. (Until they're not and they move on.) I bet all these guys were into NFTs and crypto.
These posters are funny, but the cruelty just... sucks. Backyard breeding and irresponsible breeding are infuriating. I've seen so many doodle mixes that were bought because they were cute, but have tons of health issues because of inbreeding/lack of genetic testing/etc.
YES people (rightfully!) shit on the weird and ugly looking byb Bullies only to turn around and praise Doodles for how cute they are. All the doodle-pomsky-micro-pocket designer breeds are just as unethical as these mid-life crisis fighting dogs.
As an ethical breeding advocate I will be screaming my hatred of “exotic” dog breeders that are doing nothing but ruining dog breeds for their own greed from the rooftops forever
A lot of ppl think they are "cute" or "good guard dog". That's the two reasons I've seen most. I think it's gross. They can't really do much, or breathe. I saw a man pick two up like statues. Dogs shouldn't be stiff.......
I just feel bad for them all around :(. Poor things didn't choose to be born this way, and they probably have a lot of health problems. I hope that whoever buys them treat them well so their life is a little easier
I once had a job interview at a dog breeders, they were an extremely well respected place and definitely had a nice and took care of the dogs. My issue came when they started talking about the dogs, they never referred to them as dogs, they were stock and product. They were ready to hire me and it probably would've paid well and I would've been able to work with animals, but I was so turned off from any breeder.
@@jelqsenseithat's not true, at least not in my country - our childhood dog was scouted by my countries golden retriever society to see if there was any potential mates for her to breed with that would be as suitable and safe as possible when taking into account vet examinations and potential health issues. she ended up having 2 separate litters of puppies and each time we kept 1 from the litter, while the others were all found homes (2 of them even went on to become service dogs for blind people) breeding like this is very common in my country, individual families who have a dog working alongside a vet or dog breed society to have maybe 1 or 2 litters of puppies and giving the chance for both the families/households to be vetted before breeding starts, and later on having the help of the vet/society can make things like finding responsible future owners for the puppies and vetting them and ensuring as much safety as possible. puppy mills are gross and a lot of corporate, business orientated "breeders" can slip right into that, but there's a lot of breeders out there who go through the process out of love for their dog and close friend, and also to welcome in some new friends and let them grow up and find their own families and joy
@@jelqsensei Loud incorrect buzzer Only puppy mills treat their dogs like this. The moment a breeder decides they are breeding dogs for profit, looks, and/or doesn't consider the health of the animals immediately makes them a puppy mill, albeit a small scale one. Reputable preservation and show breeders do not treat their animals like this, and most certainly don't refer to nor care for them as if they're solely products.
In the United State there is little to no laws regarding dog breeding/puppy mills, in the small town where I grew up my neighbor ran a puppymill for pugs/bulldogs. it was disgusting and they would regularly drown undesirable puppies. Now a days my hometown has a really bad problem with people dumping dogs in the countryside.
It's bizarre to me that bully breeding is even a thing. Every time I go to the shelter and check the dog section the vast majority are bullies. I've seen entire litters of French bulldogs I couldn't distinguish from purebreds, the most gorgeous tiger striped American bully, and my own dog who's a labrador pitbull (and probably some other stuff) mix that was returned to 3 different shelters before I adopted him. I don't quite get paying thousands for a dog as it is, but for bullies especially there are so many in shelters that you'll be guaranteed to find one that's right for you.
One thing thats majorly overlooked is the mental/ temperament issues you see in these dogs due to inbreeding and breeding with an emphasis on physical appearance rather than behavior. Some variations are famous at shelters for being some of the only dogs that cannot be rehabed-- they are simply too aggressive and unpredictable. There absolutely is a breed component to some breeds being more aggressive due to these breeders. For example there was a lot of breeding for that blue coat pitbull about 10 years back. Theyd just breed anything to get that color. Now so many of them are anxious and unpredictable, ending in euthanasia when they inevitably end up biting someone.
It's such a shame what they're doing to these dogs. Blue nose pitties are a great example of sacrificing temperament when breeding for looks, it's very rare to find one that doesn't have strong reactions to strangers or other dogs since most with the blue coat also have the crazy brain issue. They can be absolutely amazing 1 person dogs but they fail to thrive in an environment that regularly has new people or animals coming in simply because of their genetics and bad breeding. It can be impossible to find them homes when their sole owner can no longer care for them and many end up euthanized as a result :(
@@HogTime A positive related story: brother had a blue pit (lovingly named Blue) that he found wandering in the desert with wounds on his head. Blue was an absolutely teddy bear with people and other animals alike though-he was also possibly the biggest doofus dog I have ever encountered: big puppy heart and nobody home upstairs. 😂❤️
@@HogTime you really need to get out more. Everything you said is false. For one, if the dog is blue, then it’s more than likely not a pit and was actually mixed with some form of mastiff. Pitbulls are actually extremely friendly with strangers, it’s Mastiffs that tend to be more aloof towards strangers so the blue dogs your referring to are actually mixes that inherited their temperament from the guardian breeds within their bloodline. There’s a lot more to unpack here but I figured this was a good start so you don’t continue to preach your uneducated opinion
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for speaking on this and using your platform. As a dog groomer, it’s so hard to see the neglected and ignored dogs that come into our salon, and the pet parents are CLUELESS. Nails grown into nail beds piercing the dog's skin, matted fur full of weeks-old poo, fleas and ticks that I don’t know how anyone could have missed them... it’s heartbreaking. So THANK YOU for educating more people about this, and hopefully this will help more people remember a pet is a privilege, not a right, and you NEED to do research before adopting. Stop breeders!
Stop unethical breeders who only care for the looks that are harmful to the dog. Stopping all breeders would stop a lot of those that actually breed for a friendly, intelligent or / and active personality and a healthy physique. If no breeding was allowed, only uncontrolled breeding would occur between random dogs. Not that randomized accidental breeding makes bad dogs, but it does have the potential to spread genetic diseases and also create an unhealthy physique, if for example a lab and a chow chow breed. If the male was the lab, it could harm the smaller female to give birth to the puppies (too large heads, etc).
@@Labrecque- Dude, not all breeders inbreed their dogs. They usually try to avoid that and try to get the smallest percentage possible. Also, you can't stop all breeders. It's impossible, so, the better option is stricter laws and regulations. You can't expect to drastically change the world that quickly, it's too huge of a change. You have to make a small step. Slowly, laws and animal rights get better. Why not focus on the unethical treatment of bulls in Spanish culture, and stop the last remaining lethal bull fights? Why not work with animal protection and save the dogs that end up neglected or abused? Advocate for better practices in the horse industry, and like, banning hitting horses and allowing bitless in competitions? There are far better fights to fight than trying to ban all breeders, including those who love the dogs and the breed and do all they can to keep a healthy family tree.
Thank you for taking care of those animals. Idk what the laws are where you live but my understanding in most US states is the act of taking the dog in for grooming is considered improving the animal’s condition so law enforcement won’t do anything. I can’t image the frustration of seeing it again and again
@@nooneofnote8453 you’re right on. We can’t call anyone for neglect or abuse because it’s considered non-neglectful to bring your dog in for grooming. I wish we could call, because there were so many dogs that needed to be rehomed.
@@Labrecque-Not every person can rescue. Ethical breeding is an excellent option just like rescue is for some people. Bad breeding is how dogs end up IN rescues.
I had a co-worker who was a bully breeder. He told me he didn't believe in evolution and I posed the question that if the dog breeding community can spawn these mutants in a few generations for purely cosmetic reasons, is it really that far-fetched to believe that a species can change drastically but naturally, purely for it's own survival over thousands of generations? Think I changed his mind a bit on that. Knew I wasn't gonna convince him on the poor ethics of dog breeding though.
An animal breeder who specifically breeds for desired traits denying evolution is new to me, I’m glad to know the world has truly all different types of wild people
Glad you covered this. These accounts are making dogs suffer and placing people in danger. Also, a good dog breeder should be able to provide documentation that the dog is NOT inbred, and breeds dogs rarely with concern for health.
Let's also keep in mind that these dogs can barely breed on their own (mostly depends on artificial insemination) and often need c-sections to even be born since their heads and shoulders are so oversized and exaggerated while having narrow hips
My girlfriend's neighbor has two of these poor creatures. They are friendly and dont seem to be any more aggressive than the average dog, but you can tell they're struggling to breathe or simply walk. Their movements are uncordinated and awkward. They're very sweet and love visiting to get pets, but I can't help but feel sad for them whenever i see them.
There's someone with one of these bully dogs near my job who I see on walks around our building. The dog is an absolute sweet pea and for the most part doesn't look as toadlike as the ones shown here. But her poor back legs, you can tell they're not meant to be that stocky or set that way since she walks with an exaggerated "swagger" is the best word to call it. It doesn't initially look that bad, my manager thought her strut was adorable, but whenever I see her I just imagine the hip and joint pain just from having to walk like that
I raised reptiles for many years and the breeding community there is even worse-some of them work super hard to breed morphs with neurological issues, scaleless snakes and even blind/eyeless animals sometimes. It makes me feel sick knowing that some of the animals I adopted or were surrendered to me were from people with such little interest in their wellbeing.
@@yoyoshuyang2011 specifically, ball python breeders love the spider morph, which is notorious for having a “wobble” which some think is cute, but if it’s severe enough could make it near impossible for them to eat.
@@themayhemcalling4099🤯 that’s insane! I earlier saw a tiktok of someone bragging about their scaleless snake but I couldn’t watch the poor thing looked so defenseless
do they solely breed them like that for cosmetic reasons?? not that theres a good reason to breed an eyeless snake, but seriously? people think them having a “cute” pet is more important than a healthy one? i wasn’t aware of that side of the reptile breeding community, thank you for educating me.
If these are the adverts and mentality that bully owners are drawn to it's no surprise these dogs attack people so often. And if these Instagram breeders are treating living animals like a product and using masculine aggression as a marketing tactic, I think you can be pretty sure they're puppy mills.
I do get that she doesn't wanna get sued for libel but also yeah this is puppy mill, textbook definition. At least the marketing makes it unlikely families with kids who can't handle loss yet will end up with these dogs that'll struggle and die early, but that's a cold comfort.
For a well-bred, purebred dog from a reputable breeder (show or otherwise), that price range might be deserving depending on certain factors. But for a dog destined to be an affront to nature, incapable of giving birth naturally, proportions wildly alien-like, whom natural selection SHOULD weed out but can't because we humans force it to stay alive... he-he-hell no! 💀
@Heyheyheygoodbye21 Yup, every shelter in the U.S. is completely packed with bully breed mixes that they're practically giving away. Goes to show that people aren't buying these dogs because they want the dogs, they're buying them because they want the clout and status symbol of dropping that much money on a dog.
We rescued our bully, he wasn't aggressive enough and was too chill to be a guard dog and is way happier as a family pet. It's so strange because the place we rescued him from said he was an American bully, yet proportionally he looks exactly like a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. We got him in 2017, so if that's how deformed the American bully breed got in 7 years, I don't even wanna think about how they'll look in another 7
Breeding pit bulls for aggression is so common in Florida. They are allowed to breed “game dogs” to help with population control of wild hogs. However, lots of accounts that post these game dog breeding projects reek of dog fighting / puppy mill behavior. There are dozens of dogs chained up with distance between them, they look bulky yet very skinny, and you can see feces everywhere. None of them fixed. This also contributes to the dog fighting rings in Florida
I've worked in the animal industry for going on two decades now, veterinary and pet nutrition, and I've seen breeding gone wild, but this was something ELSE. It's a combination of no laws banning backyard breeders and people viewing animals as props or accessories rather than the living creatures they are. I've seen so many weird doodle variations that I can't keep up anymore. I had a customer come in with a micro bully and he was bragging how much money he spent on his dog, and me who can't hold back sometimes just went "wow you spent that much on a dog with serious joint issues and can't breathe?"
Oh my god. My biggest pet peeve, I thought it was too niche. As a Vet Tech in the industry for almost 10 years, the health of these poor dogs is atrocious and the dogs are unwilling victims to greed and hyper masculinity. Half of them can't even walk properly 😢
Any breeder who breeds “exotic bullies” or “labradoodles” or any designer dog are NOT ethical breeders. I’m pro-breeder in circumstances where they are working toward maintaining quality bloodlines that preserve set breed standards… but this should be illegal. Thank you for addressing the topic!
what’s the problem with doodles? just being curious. i don’t like them personally but that’s just bc curly dogs are off putting to me for no real reason, just a weird taste thing. but they seem to me like they’d be decently healthy.
@@mmmmmmmmariaBecause they’re trendy right now, a lot of unethical breeders and puppy mills have started breeding them, resulting in the dog market being flooded by goldendoodles with health issues and trauma. It’s also an issue of unrealistic expectations-while a person who buys a husky or staffy is probably expecting a high-energy dog with potential for aggression, a lot of doodle owners expect their dog to be a low-maintenance teddy bear just because of its looks and therefore don’t give it the training it needs.
@@mmmmmmmmaria labradoodle is not a recognized breed, meaning that there are no regulations on what a "purebred" labradoodle is. Even if you get a doodle from a non-mill breeder, you will have no real idea what breed it really is and what problems it will have. The real kick is that all of the traits people want from doodles are just the traits of poodles, meaning that they're taking risks on a worse version of an existing breed that has real regulations.
It’s so sad that these dogs are being treated like this. I have a real fondness for curly haired dogs, and I would love to own one, but I could never imagine myself getting one with how poorly they’re treated. I support ethical breeding, but I’d never support getting a doodle from anywhere but an adoption center or shelter
It’s hilarious to me that people think these dogs are “manly.” If I saw someone with one I’d just think, “okay, so you just can’t handle a real pit bull then” 😂
It's not toxic masculinity, that is ridiculous. The only people that breed and own these are trash. It's like a fashion accessory. Men don't own dogs like this.
@@Trevor-08 Yes the people who support these practices are awful but it is completely true that the motivations for many of them is that they think these dogs make them manly. The connection of masculinity with power and violence IS toxic masculinity and that is the reason for these dogs.
@@Angela-gd3cj Isn't it interesting when the aesthetics of manliness go so far that they run counter to functionality? It's similar to how body builders' muscles aren't actually very useful for their size, or how oversized pickup trucks are less practical than normal-sized pickup trucks.
My issue is that large kennel clubs (AKC, etc) have standards for their dogs made to enforce function and build. There are some exceptions (*cough* frenchies, pugs, bulldogs, dachshunds *cough*), but most are reasonably proportioned and bred for certain behaviours that would allow them to succeed in their roles or even just in different home environments. These exotic, xl, whatever, bullies do not have a breed standard and are not recognised or bred for a specific job. They are purely for aesthetics and status. These breeders brag about inbreeding their animals (when these breeders say 2x Venom they mean that dog came up in the bloodline 2 times). They brag about their animals showing EXTREME extreme features (achieved through inbreeding) that limit their ability to live normal lives. I also highly doubt they are performing any sort of health-screening. These are backyard bred dogs - bred purely as cash grabs and for shock factor with no regard for the dog's issues. Unfortunately, I doubt these breeders is going to stop anytime soon. In fact, they are beginning to extend their range from dogs to cats, with breeders such as BullyCatsUK breeding Sphynx (hairless cats) to Munchkins (cats with dwarfism that causes short legs) and inbreeding them to achieve cats with short, wide legs and no fur.
Daschunds are actually bred the way they are for their original job (getting into burrows to flush out small game). I, as a corgi owner, love dwarf breeds but hate the extremes and health risks, and agree with everything else you said! There's a big difference between a bred for purpose daschy and a byb what will have ivdd by the age of 2.
@@bambirose7184 Yeah, they were bred to be short for hunting, but if you look at how they were 100 years ago and the standard now, it is exaggerated. It's been found 25% of dachshunds develop IVDD at some point in their lives. They're definitely not as bad as brachycephalic breeds health-wise, but their intentional breeding is still a little questionable to me. That's just my opinion though. Absolutely agree. There's a huge difference between well-bred purebreds without extreme exaggerated features, and BYB dogs.
@@holli3716 Absolutely! Dachshunds were originally bred to have short legs for purpose, it's just been exaggerated. IVDD is far less common in Corgis because they haven't been exaggerated to the same degree. If dogs had to prove they were capable of performing the function they were bred for, and closed studbooks went, Dachshunds could be a much healthier breed. In the case of Cavaliers though, I don't think they can be fixed at all. The breed was developed from 6 individuals. They have an average COI of 40%. They are extremely inbred even when from ethical breeders. 95-99% of cavs have CM and 50% of the dogs with CM have SM. Also 50% develop heart murmurs by 5, almost 100% by 10. unless they are outcrossed, I don't see that breed ever being saved.
@@holli3716opening the stud book is a super complicated process, and AKC actually has very little to do with it. it’s mostly parent club politics. however, opening the stud book isn’t a simple fix- especially if you were to do it in an ancient or village breed. i do completely agree on your other point tho. i think it was jack russel terriers that for a long time could not even be registered until they were titled and passed health testing? and i don’t disagree with that concept at all
Poor little puppy 10:16 😢 he seems so tired of running, i feel so bad for him :( i hope he isn't doing these shows anymore and gets a lot of treats for his hard work❤
It always makes me sad to see these poor dogs. They look so miserable and uncomfortable just being alive. I was at a place where some extreme bullies were being sold and they looked so deformed. No one should breed dogs for those insane proportions. The only things that breeders should be focused on are health and good temperament.
I adopted/found on the street a bully dog with a defect in her eyes due to bad breeding. She is in so much pain every day and we are having to get her a surgery to fix her eyes so she doesn't go blind and have pain for the rest of her life. It's heartbreaking.
I think you explained this fairly. It's such a depressing topic and I hate looking at them, but I'm glad you're bringing it to light. These people are despicable
Look, I'm glad Izzzyzzz is bringing attention to these horrible breeders, but I have an issue with this video. She's probably just trying not to get sued, but she is going _far_ too easy on these breeders. I will do what she likely legally cannot and clarify a few things. "Though we don't know the personal ethics of any of these breeders" (10:30) Yes we do. Looking at the dogs, they are not healthy. Period. These people are breeding unhealthy dogs. That is bad ethics. "Am I saying that any of the bully breeders that we've talked about today [...] are puppy mills? Absolutely not. I'm not here to accuse anyone of anything." By the dictionary definition of a puppy mill, these breeders are running puppy mills. According to Google, "an establishment that breeds puppies for sale, typically on an intensive basis and in conditions regarded as inhumane." Breeding dogs as obviously deformed as the ones featured in this video is inhumane. Cropping dog's ears for aesthetic purposes is inhumane (different question if it's done in rare cases for the protection of certain livestock protecting dogs; that can be for the good of the dog). Those are two obvious examples of these breeders being inhumane, and Izzzy discusses their insane production rate in this video. BY DEFINITION, THESE ARE PUPPY MILLS. Giving these Instagram breeders the benefit of the doubt, especially at this level of leniency, is honestly irresponsible. These practices are plain evil, and I while I wish that was emphasized in this video, I kind of understand why it wasn't (for legal reasons.) Keep spreading the word, these breeders ought to be jailed in my opinion for the amount of suffering they cause for animals.
The way I interpreted it, even if Izzyzzz says something, it might not be what they believe. Yeah, they are covering their own ass, but I think the fact that this video was even made implies enough to show how they really feel about the matter. It's like when people say "and that's why I believe x murdered y, but totally only as a joke in minecraft for the meme".
the names absolutely kill me. The male dogs are named things like "Ghost Destroyer 3000" and "Bullet Biter" but the female dogs are named "Petal" and "Peaches" some people claim gender isn't a social construct
Reminds me of the way breeders name the fighting bulls here in Spain, but those are the opposite. I shit you not that one of the deadliest bulls ever seen in Spain was called "Mouse". His father's name was "Snail" and his mother, literally "Riflewoman". I do not understand it either. Obligatory remark that bullfighting is bullshit and not a cultural aspect of Spain. Fuck them.
Well it’s also because their males will be in use for quite a few years while females have like 3-4 years till they need to retire since it’s done be c-section. You can give the girl a ‘normal’ name but the boys need a stage name you can put in big lights.
@@backparker9264 but the female dogs would also need to be marketable, since the puppies they birth would still have their features. Even if they were bred to have masculine traits, they're part of the equation, too. and "retirement" for these poor dogs can't be pretty.
@@justanotherleftie the only thing the female has to market is it’s looks who it’s dad was. Weirdly people don’t care about the mom since they can be bred a lot, it’s all about the dad. Retirement can mean a lot of things; if the breeder is promoting the dog has been retired it’s typically to rehome the dog. If they haven’t promoted the females retirement well… you can imagine.
@@justanotherleftie It's because the types of dude bros buying these dogs are also the types who preach about gender stereotypes being 'the right way'. So of course they're fine with girl dogs getting feminine or cutesy names, in their minds that's how it should be.
Oh my gosh thank you for using your platform to spread awareness! Not the type of video I was expecting from you but it made me very happy! I just finished my senior honors thesis in ethics “exploring human moral obligations towards the disabled animals we create and about a third of it is about French bulldogs and other breeds like this that are bred to have disabilities, and thrown away like trash when they start needing medical attention. There are really no laws against animal cruelty because they are legally property and I don’t think most people understand that. We need to fundamentally change the way both people and the legal systems view non-human animals if we want this to stop!
By the way: for anyone wanting to adopt a bulldog of any kind, please check out your local shelters and bully rescues! They are overflowing with dogs that need loving homes. I adopted a special needs French Bulldog pup from ROADOGS rescue in LA, check them out if you want to support a rescue trying to help these poor dogs and all of their medical needs!
Ear cropping is not only cosmetic. Working breeds like dobies need their ears cropped to lower the amount of injuries they may get to their ears. If their ears are flopping around they can get snagged, pulled, bitten, torn, etc. If you get the ear cropping done correctly and at the right age it is painless. But most extreme bully breeders will do it themselves and that causes infection and can be very painful for the puppies.
Breeding: there is a difference between unethical breeding and ethical breeding. Unethical breeding: puppy-mills, extreme/exotic bully breeders, “oh it just happens sometimes”, “I just want to see what the puppies would look like”, accidental litters, etc Ethical breeding: regulated, clean, and done to breed standards. These pups are usually registered through the local kennel club like UKC and AKC. These breeders will produce paperwork and documents showing the family lineage, shots, health testing and a contract that basically asks you to bring the dog back to them if they do not fit in your home and says that you cannot breed the dog for any reason. I 100% support adopting but in most cases you do not know the dogs history or the main breed. I think it’s very important to pick a dog based on the breed, health history, behavior and so forth. It is extremely important to see what breed works right for your family. SHOP AND ADOPT RESPONSIBLY.
Also in some breeds they are very prone to ear infection and yeast infection and cropping can be a way to help prevent such infections but only when done correctly
We get a lot of these at the shelter I work at. Their joints are often so bad they can't sit properly and can barely walk. It's a very surreal experience to have to guess whether or not a dog understands the sit command because their back end can't reach the ground. Some cases are a lot more extreme than others, but we're frequently getting these dogs as strays which says a lot about the quality of care they get once they're past breeding age.
weirdly my immediate thought when seeing the ads was the ads i see on the Flight Rising forum showing off dragon pairings that people were selling offspring of. very weird to think of basically the same posts being made on Instagram with actual animals that need to be taken good care of. poor things…i genuinely don’t understand how people can look at these dogs and think they could be perfectly happy and healthy
As a vet tech, by far the worst job I ever had was working at one of these vet clinics that was not-so-secretly allied with a puppy mill. Left in less than a month. There's little out there more disgusting than seeing all these people around you who are supposed to follow the same ideals as you, of caring and helping and fixing problems, but they're actually only here for money and so blinded by that that they're willing to ruin a lot of animals' lives for profit - y'know, the exact *opposite* of the job description. They acted so sickly sweet and pleasant, but I saw the dogs they were milling through the system, and they were poor, poor things with so many aesthetic yet unlivable features that intubations and early deaths were common, and they were actively adding to it. It's evil. Outright evil.
My mom was a newfoundlands hound breeder when I was younger and my grandmother (on my mom’s side) was a dog breeder of a variety of different dog breeds before her, so I know from experience that it’s always important to prioritise the puppies health over appearance and I know that there is definitely a big issue among certain breeders that they just try to make dogs look a certain way, especially when it comes to dogs that are seen as more “trendy”.
This was pretty well researched! I'm a vet tech student (and a bit of a dog nerd) and just have a couple of notes: - The poster at 2:38 lists "Extreme" as a class. Reputable Bully breeders do NOT produce Extremes, Micros, or Nanos. The other classes Izzzyzzz mentioned by name are accepted and have very specific proportions, traits, and temperaments set by their breed club (American Bully Kennel Club) like other breeds. - The dog at 3:23 is not a pit bull. It looks like a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (or a cross). Pit Bulls are American Pit Bull Terriers, and their owners have been trying to educate and reclaim the name that was originally theirs because the public mislabels them. - 9:09 In this case they'd be backyard breeders since they usually don't have a dedicated facility/site for breeding like puppy mills, though there's some overlap between BYBs and mills anyway. - 9:56 Traditional shows and kennel clubs condemn overbreeding. I'm saying this as someone who works with shelter animals regularly and has only ever adopted/rescued. Responsible breeders breed once a year, maybe twice, and often skip years. They retire their dogs and never force them to continue showing/sporting when the dog no longer wants to. Ethically bred dogs go through health testing by specialists to ensure that puppies with health issues aren't brought into the world to suffer. Backyard breeders will *maybe* do an Embark health test (which isn't a good benchmark). - 12:38 Short-faced dogs (brachycephalic) are more often affected by their nostrils being too small (stenotic nares) or their soft palate extending down over their throat, blocking their airway (elongated soft palate) than the actual short muzzle itself. Chihuahuas, Bullmastiffs, and Chow Chows are brachy breeds, but they don't commonly have Brachycephalic Obstructive Airway Syndrome, which is what causes the breathing issues in flat face breeds. - The XL Bully Ban and stat mentioned at 14:39 is false, as the "type" set out by the UK Goverment is vague and ended up having mastiff + crosses, American Staffordshires + crosses, and Staffordshire Bull Terriers + crosses seized or registered as dangerous because they fit a WIDE set of measurements and non-specific criteria. Many of the dogs in the attacks mentioned weren't XL American Bullies, but just like the Pit Bull, they were a victim of mislabeling. Overall a really solid video! Just a couple of points I wanted to weigh in on with mt own knowledge. Very happy to see one of my favorite video essay TH-camrs talking about a topic I care a lot about!!
THIS!!! I'd also like to add: - 5:35 Ear cropping is not just for aesthetic purposes or for fighting dogs. Many working dogs get their ears cropped (like personal protection dogs and livestock guardian dogs) to keep them safe from ear tears while they're working. Ear cropping for aesthetics is also a very important part of keeping a breed's history alive and is generally safe and pain-free when done by a licensed veterinarian.
Most bull dog attacks in the uk are mostly cross breed dogs that get falsely labelled as Staffordshire bull terriers. Really wasn’t into the XL bully ban because I don’t think whole dogs should be killed, made extinct from lack of breeding that’s one thing but actually killing the dogs themselves is another. I’m all the more upset that this applied to staffies.
Thank you! I fear the breed standard for true pitbulls and staffies and American bulldogs is so muddled to the general public because of the generalization of "bully breeds." The mislabeling is frustrating and is likely a large contributor to skewing statistics. I have been trying to familiarize myself with how to tell them apart, but been having no luck so far, but if you know any resources that can help me be more educated on the true bully breeds I would love to know.
you hit literally everything i was going to say lol. i have a show dog (not a bully breed), and ethical preservation of dogs is one of my biggest passions in life. i think an important note also is that AmBullies are not the same as the Bull and Terrier type. those dogs are completely extinct. AmBullies are a very, very new breed (the founder is still alive and breeding iirc, and i have shown alongside people who personally know him) that were bred down from out-of-standard UKC APBTs. their justification for being a new breed instead of just hanging papers was that they wanted to have more muscular dogs with low energy that fit into the “companion” group rather than the “terrier” group
As an ER vet, these breeders fill me with rage every time I have them as clients. The reason extreme bully breeders are especially unethical is because these animals are literally incapable of naturally breeding. A lot of exotic bullies cannot mount females and the females can’t naturally pass puppies - they’re all born through C-section. The breeders view them as investments - when something goes wrong (which… between anatomy and human idiocy happens a lot), these are the people that tell me “hold on, let me call my business partner” as their dog is dying.
Some examples within the past year… 1) won’t pay for a C-section surgery for their dog because they didn’t realize the dog would need it and it cuts into their profit margin (meanwhile mom and puppies are literally dying). They won’t go to low cost surgery clinics because these shelter-run programs require the animal to be spayed to perform the procedure. 2) refusal to pay to euthanize puppies that have been mutilated by mom due to their lack of oversight (this client smashed our receptionist’s personal phone in a rage - we got to call the cops that night). 3) refusal to neuter “investment” dogs when they have issues like urethral prolapse that can be passed down to offspring (and also prevented by neutering). Or my favorite 4) dog presents in heat stroke (temp 110F) -> “does this mean I can’t leave the other frenchies outside in the heat?” (Also being upset when we tell them the dog is likely infertile now, not grateful at all that we saved the dog’s life).
Exotic bullies are just as anatomically fucked as French Bulldogs, English Bulldogs, etc. They are trapped in fleshy prisons that can’t breathe and can barely walk. Show me an exotic bully that’s reached old age before “parting ways” with the breeder. I’ll wait.
Thank you for your comment, it says everything. Wish it could be posted everywhere these dogs are advertised.
I feel the exact same way. Unfortunately I live in hawaii and there is a huge market for frenchies out here. We always try to get the breeders to spay when we have an emergency c-section. Only had one say yes - one out of countless. I just finished a dog sitting gig too for a breeder who leaves all TEN of her dogs outside in the heat. Like yeah they have shade and water, but thats not a good quality of life. Its so sad.
having to do a c-section every time on a female breeding dog is so awful... I can't imagine the scarring and trauma to the dog 😢
@@ViraTabris exotic bullies and American Bullies aren’t the same thing. Most of the dogs I’m this video we’re American Bullies
@@blackjakibwt3305 she uses the term "exotic" to mean bred for exotic traits
Also if you see "x2" or "x3" it means that the dog has been inbread and the dogs grandparents are the same dog
Bro 🤢
Yeah the “bred back to his daughter” had me gagging
@@Emily-jh9liI was desperately fooling myself that meant literally anything else. How can they say that so openly without any shame???? Even my favorite VIRTUAL PET GAME won't allow you to breed parent & child!!
Inbreeding is so common, I would recommend only adding mutts to your family when possible. There's no chance of inbreeding when the parents are just some random dogs lol. Both Pure breed and Designer breed are red flags for inbreeding to me.
@@WannabeMarysuejep. A lot of pedigree breeders will breed father and daughter or mother and son or grandparents and grandkids.
Its sadly not uncommon but its accepted silently.
There was a documentary about the dog show in Westminster were a lot of breeders admitted that.
Forgot the name though.
I think it was mostly about dogs genetically inherited diseases
"These bully breeders have a constant stream of puppies selling for exorbitant prices. Does this make them a puppy mill?" The answer is yes. That's literally a puppy mill. These people need shut down.
Puppy mill or not, they’re certainly bad breeders
Yea Izzy was way too nice on them. These are puppy mills, definition of! Campline Bully or whatever yk the OG the one who owned the first exotic bully Mr Miagi had a video showing off a puppy but you can see that it's in a stacked cage and is all alone. Now idk if they were alone so they didn't develop littermate syndrome but don't isolate your dog! Don't lock them in a cage! Let them play with dogs that aren't part of their litter. It's so easy 😭
@@arnicamoana7861 absolutely.
I think she’s just trying to avoid a lawsuit.
She's avoiding being sued for defamation. It's like how newscasters use the word "alleged"
Correction. These are not “Cropped” ears and tails. These are cut, as in done incorrectly. This is not surgically done, you can tell easily because It is not supposed to look like this. It is not unheard of for backyard breeders to take scissors to the ears and tail of a newborn puppy to achieve the desired look. Yes, I mean with kitchen scissors. That is why the tails look like Cheetos and the edges of many of their ears are deformed; It is due to the scarring from improper cropping and docking. They do not sedate or give the puppies pain relief when this is done, some psychopaths think newborn puppies can’t feel pain.
Yep. Basement cropping. Those greeders are pure evil.
"Some psychopaths think newborn puppies can't feel pain." People literally use this exact same argument for human newborns when discussing circumcision. The existence of the word "humane" is really freaking ironic.
Reminds me of the time people thought surgery on newborn humans wasn't inhumane because they couldn't feel pain. Everyone really is retarded if you think about it
@@courtykat In a less extreme example; It used to be really common to get babies ears pierced for the same reason. We use this justification for a million thing.
@@courtykatthe trauma so many babies went through. How I agreed with it for so long due to being raised “that ‘s how it is and how it should be,” now that I’m 33 cannot imagine doing this to a baby. Makes my stomach hurt that we can be so intelligent and so ignorant at the same time. I’ve thought a lot about it actually and it truly upsets me that we have so much power and knowledge and we still treat everything like garbage. Sad rant over. 😔
"I'm a real alpha male. Just look at my tiny purse goblin."
“ it has scoliosis , arthritis and can’t breathe through its nose. HARDCORE ALPHA BEHAVIOR!!!” /j
“He’s a tuff guy” *is physically incapable of hurting even a fly*
“Like me his bite is worse than his bark” *the most inbred creature since the Hapsburgs can barely cough a loogie of spit*
“I’m so alpha my dog can barely take a shit properly”
"Here's my son Wrinkle who has every desease"
Hi, local dog enthusiast here to add some additional notes for anyone interested in having even more reasons to hate breeders like this (and finish off with responsible dog attainment):
1. A chunk of these breeders tend to breed their dogs way too young, and way too often. This is exceedingly dangerous for the mother and pups, and unfair to every single dog involved.
2. On the cropping of the ears: Even by standards that folks that support it go, a large chunk of those crops are botched as hell- Personally I'm against cropping altogether for pets. I leave room for exception of some livestock guardian breeds who have it done for safety precautions. (Long ears can lead to being an easy grabbing point for many predators, which can spell trouble for a dog that's doing it's job). When we're talking about cropping/docking for aesthetics? Horrendous, cruel, unnecessary procedure.
3. As I'm sure others have swiftly pointed out: "Bred Back" is a term used by these folks when they inbreed the dogs. The number emojis next to the names? Unfortunately, that's how many times that same single dog can be found in one breeding line.
So our unfortunate friend Black Excellence? is the product of SEVERE inbreeding, I don't even want to KNOW just how far gone that line is-
Not that... I'm terribly surprised, with the way these dogs look, some of em look ai generated when you REALLY go down the rabbit hole, buuuuut it's worth pointing out.
4. Even if the dogs WEREN'T inbred, they have no chance at a good quality of life with that anatomy. When you change a dogs literal skeletal structure, add on a metric ton of muscles, the organs are put under strain. Don't forget, they gotta have their brains, lungs, digestive system, and various other things crammed in there. Not to mention, with the posture some of those dogs have, they're going to have dislocations and arthritis galore.
All this to say... Adopt or Shop Responsibly.
Rescues can be a lot of work, and aren't for everyone. I know because I was a foster for several large high-energy, untrained, fearful, and/or reactive dogs up until my health declined and I physically couldn't handle those cases anymore. It takes a LOT of hard work, dedication, and willingness to make adaptations to your lifestyle... But frankly, that's true of any pet. They're worth the work, if you're able to handle it.
If you're going through a breeder (which, yes, there are valid reasons to go through a breeder... i.e. service dog work, livestock guardian, a pet I edited to add this, I forgot to say that, thank you replies for catching me on this, etc.), you HAVE to be careful who you're supporting. Ask questions, do research, and take it slow and easy.
it's so insane to me that they actually show you how much inbred the dog is, and they do it as if it was something to be prideful of and admire
@@lhumyakiThey're proud of inbreeding like the goddamn McPoyles
dude ty for this comment 😭 there are so many ppl who demonize the idea of getting a purebred dog (i understand the stigma don’t get me wrong) but rescues can be prone to SO many behavioral and health issues. and i say this as someone with a rescuer dog and 2 rescue cats
@@maijashmaija Of course!! I like to spread the info so folks don't feel absolutely awful about looking into a purebred, or feel pressured to take in a dog that they may not be able to handle...
That just leads to more problems, and dogs who are in and out of the shelter several times!
The border collie mix I fostered for five years is a prime example... She was at FIVE HOMES in the span of SIX MONTHS before she got to me... So I was SUPER picky about her forever home, as she was VERY needy. Dog aggressive, outright fearful of pitbulls, men, and children due to her history, anxious at the best of times, severe seperation anxiety (though I did manage to help her through many of these issues, it wasn't perfect... Which is understandable with all she experienced in her early life.) Unfortunately, I did have to hand her over to a rescue who was better equipped than I was to handle her reactivity and exercise needs, as the 5-year mark was when my health spiraled... Though I AM happy to report that she now has a loving forever home!
I digress, there ARE ethical breeders, and good reasons to get a pet from a breeder! Ya just gotta hunt for the good ones, and do research.
@maijashmaija Also a lot of rescue organizations have absolutely insane requirements, it seems to have become a thing after COVID when everyone wanted to adopt a dog. A surprising amount of them will only adopt to people who own a house with a fenced in yard and who work from home every day.
Why can't people learn that breeding dogs a certain way JUST for how they look _NEVER_ goes well. I can't even _begin_ to imagine how many health issues those poor things have.
they wont stop until they make dogs with the same faces as those horriffic goats
That’s what happens with certain morons. They obsess over aesthetic, the dogs to them are not dogs anymore. They’re accessories, made to show off to others.
Rather than a living being that deserves to be loved. It’s love that should matter, not the appearance of your pets.
It makes me think of pugs. I heard the Netherlands government is trying to debreed them to become how they used to be before the whole health issues arose.
Edit: Fixed which government it was.
Especially with how extra inbred they are, and the "breeders" even gloat about it!
This exactly.
It's not exactly the same but in Wobbledogs I like to breed my Wobbledogs for extreme traits (long bodies, massive tails, tons of legs, and tiny heads being a few examples) but usually those dogs also have the most issues moving and doing stuff.
This stuff should stay relegated to video games.
They bred a dog “back to his daughter” and used it as a marketing statement. That is INSANE.
😢😭🤢🤮 why people is so sick and disgusting??m
i don’t get what that means D:
@@doagiithe dog was bred with her own father
@@sillyvally-m7b oh…☹️
I’ve been working at a vet clinic for 2 years now and we’ve finally met our first two exotic bullies within the last few months. It was heartbreaking. Heartbreaking to see these dogs that could hardly move and breathe, but wanted to so badly. One of them was a puppy who just wanted to play and they just couldn’t. The only solace for this breed is their short lifespan.
That is so sad! Absolutely inhumane!
God you know it’s grim when the only bright side is that their bodies just give out after 10 years at most.
@@666kittycat666ten is optimistic, a lot of them don’t get past 3
poor puppy it hurts my soul thinking abt a puppy in pain like that
The worst part is these breeders also clone their dogs too
There is a certain kind of horror to being an exotic bully. Like imagine, everything in your ancestry says you were meant to run and swim and play. Be highly energetic and mobile. But no matter how much you want to do that, you can't. You're trapped inside a barely functioning body where just breathing puts a stress on your lungs and internal systems. Your joints and bones constantly hurt, and you can't even breathe very well not only because of your messed up organs, but also because of your face being brachycephalic. But you still have that drive, that need, that want to _move_ . And despite that you can't. You have the will, the want to be a dog, but you are trapped inside a failing body. You are trapped in one spot, but you _must_ run.
I have no lungs but I must bark
@@lamp_lord8458cringe
Well this was distressing to read on a visceral level. Poor dogs 😢
This is why I think pretty much any and all 'pure' breeding is unethical. You end up with animals with more and more exaggerated features that impact the very way their bodies function. They live miserable, painful lives which are often shorter than those of their ancestors from even only a hundred years ago. Breeders like to act like breeds are real, defined genetic categories dogs fit into but they're almost entirely cosmetic and most are only as old as the victorians, whose upper echelon were infamously so bored that they spent their time doing utterly heinous activities such as eating mummies. I feel the same way about munchkin cats. How terrible to be a cat and unable to even jump normally because humans decided you having 'cute' nubs for legs took precedence over your quality of life. Rant over. Mic drop. I dropped the mic on my foot. Ciao
As a long-time owner of rescue pittie mixes (all dogs from the city shelter and then also one who someone brought into my vet clinic as a stray) these ARE energetic dogs! They're not necessarily "sporting" dogs, but they're plucky! They LOVE to snooze, but they also need to spend an hour or so a day RUNNING around. There isn't a middle-ground - they're up OR down, never in-between. They tackle each other, chase each other, hump each other (unfortunately, lol) and then go right to sleep. These overbred dogs with a 100-inch waist have all the problems of English bulldogs, PLUS the terrors of being hideously inbred, with a "drive" that's BRAGGED about by their evil breeders - a drive that asks for high activity when they're literally incapable of it without endangering themselves. They're incredibly prone to skin allergies, food allergies, and pododermatitis stemming from those allergies. These dogs' bones aren't built to hold their weight because pit-bull genetics expect a lithe and athletic frame (for instance, in my very healthy dogs, you CAN see their muscles because they're strong as hell, and they also have a defined waist, visible bone structure, and can use their bodies to RUN as opposed to being forced to waddle. Their heads don't weigh down their entire neck, they look like they work out instead of taking anabolic steroids, and they don't get heat stroke just from looking out the window. If they get a little chunky because I get a little too liberal with treats, it doesn't break their knees. All three of my current dogs do have allergies of some kind, but nothing so severe that it causes frequent skin or ear infections. When people breed a dog on purpose, it should be purposeFUL. The FIRST goal of breeding should ALWAYS be health and longevity, followed by ANYTHING else. They shouldn't be looking for the dog who "looks tough" (and honestly, these dogs DON'T look tough, because someone on crutches could outrun them even before the dog passes out from heat stroke or dislocates their hip) they should be looking for the dog that aligns with their (sane) goals:
Guardians: the dog is gentle with and protective of smaller animals with whom they're acquainted
Herding: the dog is very task-oriented, the dog is smart and loyal and trainable
Service dogs: the dog is gentle but intelligent, and aims to please
Companions: the dog just lives to be cuddled and is tolerant of invasive behaviors from their owners and other people
Hounds: they hunt
Breeding for looks should always be secondary, and breeding for looks that cause suffering shouldn't be accepted or even permitted. As a vet tech and dog rescuer who sees the horrors of things like breeding Frenchies (dystocia and allergies) and and bulldogs (also dystocia and allergies actually) and "XL bullies" (see above) and CKCSs (syringomyelia) and other malformed dogs, adopt your dogs from a shelter when they're about 6 months old instead of buying a horrible mutant dog. The only way to stop people from breeding like this (right now - until we can enact laws to stop them) is to deprive them of income. They'll stop if there's not money to be had.
I’m located in Tampa (where “Florida’s Newest Stud” is) and several months ago I went to the humane society to drop off some donations and I had a look around the shelter while I was there. I saw several of these “extreme” breeds. One that was in the puppy room had legs that were so splayed and disfigured he could barely move around his pen, and his panting was loud and laboured. Less than a year into his life, this “extreme” puppy was already living in a shelter, brought into existence by the greed of these backyard breeders. These dogs are marketed and discarded like objects. I hate it.
Yeah the splayed leg one is likely a “Toadline” they breed for that specifically. Much like chow chow’s and Rottweilers after their popularity there is going to be a rash of these guys ending up in the shelter system. The difference being Rottweiler’s and Chow Chow’s were at least healthy and likable. They also had dedicated breed rescues. These guys are controversial and have way too many health problems that by the time they end up at a shelter. They’re likely going to be euthanized.
@@Mostie-ev7oh (pretext: what I say here Isnt an opposing viewpoint. Just a genuine expression of confusion) I say this as a person who adores frogs and toads, (fave animal since I was like, 5 or 8) I have no idea why anyone would want a dog toad. Toads do toad things, dogs do dog things. Combine the 2, and you end up with something horrific, unable to preform the things a dog should do.
@@lightningninja6905 exactly.
A year into its life is literally a third of its lifespan
Based on photos I'm guessing thar it gers easier to walk as they grow, but imo that's worse. You're denying a dog the ability to move on its own until it reaches a certain age? The chance that the dog will just give up on walking is close to none but never zero. They look like their legs are bent like they broke their bones or something how can younfind this cute?
I’m in Canada and I’m a dog groomer. We recently got this English bulldog that comes in for nail trims and she was a breeding dog that was going to be euthanized because she couldn’t have any more puppies. When the new owners got her both her eyes were glued shut from infection and her nipples were bigger than my thumbs and her nails were grown into the paw pads. Her ears are so badly infected the ear canal is barely open if not closed. I’m so disgusted by breeders. It also makes me mad that nobody who got puppies from her asked to see the parents or said anything if they did see the mom and her condition
oh my god. those are horrible people.
That is so harrowing 💔. So glad she’s found a new home.
We REALLY need to start pushing for this stuff to be illegal. It’s so unethical and evil
I do wish they would ban the breed. Not ban from being loved and cared for, but banned from future breeding projects. We already have soso many Bully's. Especially in FL . I love them but it's not at all fair to them to keep being bred and treated the day they are
Also all animal abuse in general
this is practically abuse, i hope those poor dogs can find people who can give them a good life for however short it may be :(
@@grimmick9446we also need to ban pugs,frenchies ,and English bull dogs. Despite “corrective” breeding we’ve not noticed the conditions they experience decrease
There is a bill to ban the breeding of brachycephalic dogs but a lot of breeders think it's their right to breed dogs that can't breathe and that will desperately need surgery within a few years.
I couldn’t stop thinking about these dogs. There is something so weirdly sexual about how those micro/nano bully breeders talk about them. The whole emphasis on how young they are and who they’re breeding them with, phasing it like “using them on”. Just rancid vibes allround.
that "attend a live breading!" post immediately set off blaring alarm bells in my head, like *why* would you wanna go see that?? rancid vibes is very accurate
It's almost like a dick measuring contest. They're making these obscene caricatures of what they think being "tough and masculine" looks like. The more the breeders push the Big Bad Dog image they've created, the more the animals suffer...
@monicag6076 I could be totally misinformed but don't these dogs have to be artificially inseminated because they're so messed up? So... like... you're paying to watch somebody jerk off a dog?? 😭
@@bihtimerush The dots are absolutely there. You're in denial
@@CharlesFreck Nah, this is just the internet's usual "everyone I don't like is secretly a sex criminal, wow I really hope they're a sex criminal, please do sex crimes please do sex crimes please do sex crimes" thing.
the word "produce" being used in relation to dogs is just gross as hell
Many of the dogs can't fuck and can't give birth. Produce is kinda the right word, god had no hand in that.
Its common in most animal breeding (even ethical!) i ethically breed pet and show line mice (3 months old before breeding, litters reduced to small numbers to reduce strain on momma and more milk for pups, 2 litters per mom in her life, 2 months of break before her next litter, hq food mix and large enclosures) and its common to use “produced” but more in a “produced by mousery name” as like, a credit for lineage/credit to the breeder, but the way THESE breeders use it/word it is….gross
Lol, how funny. In biology we constantly use “produce” “to produce” etc as a common term when discussing and learning about sex/progeny/offsprings/lineages and other subjects related to it (genetics, evolution, ecology, . . . ). It’s not really that “gross” of a term
@@truefalse934 Context, my friend. For instance, female is also used frequently in biology, but when you start calling human girls and women "the females", it's rarely not gross and weird.
The way they talk is like they are talking about weed and growing weed. Because it's normal to inbred weed and revered it in. But that's plants so it's not a issue. THESE are dogs. It's absolutely cruel
I work at petsmart, there was once a bully dog that came in and had major underbite, the jaw was practicality 2 inches off. The owner said "that's just how he was born". It's not just the breeders that are contributing to this problem, but also the people that buy these animals.
If his jaw was truly that skewed it's a miracle he survived as a pup, I have to imagine that made nursing complicated
It's a terrifying thought I just had but the kinds of people buying these in red messed up dogs must be just as inbred and demented.
You saw a cartoon dog in real life lol
In fairness, is there no possibility that the owner actually rescued the dog from an abusive home or puppy mills like the ones in the video?
@@PunoNgBuhay no because he said he bought it when I was checking his dog.
To quote Jurassic Park: 'your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.'
I very much appreciate the reference, although I don’t think scientists like abusing dogs as much as it’s just profit-driven “dog lovers”.
I think a lot of them did think about that. Then they saw how much money they could make and made a decision about the type of human they are.
What they call "breeding", I call the rape of the natural world.
ethics dont matter when money is involved
Oh, is that Jurrasic Park?
It's lowkey disturbing seeing those dogs with their bodies so low to the ground that their legs stick out sideways like lizard legs
Right?? Mammals are supposed to have legs under their bodies, not to the sides like a goddamn alligator
@@larissabrglum3856 we're going back to pre-mammalian synapsids at this point.
Reminds me of the muscular bulldogs from Tom and Jerry!
@@AmberAbyss-nh4lc they're gonna grow sails at that pace
Right, there's no way this benefits their survival as a dog. They can't run with those stubby legs, or even breathe with that snout.
Half of these dogs look like there in so much pain. How is this not illegal?
Lot of people in America struggle to grapple with the idea other people are worth treating like their life has intrinsic value. How do you expect us to treat our dogs?
Sadly a lot of the american breed standards literally advocate for horrible genetic breeding like this. Part of the breed standard is these flatfaces that basically make the dog unable to breathe. There are people fighting against it and there is a bill to ban the breeding of brachycephalic dogs but it's gotten a lot of pushback because these breeders don't care that they're actively making dogs who will suffer their entire life.
Money.
@@ScorpionClaws789 Muricuh
@bruhmoment5974 No, no, their is right
As a vet tech I have a traumatic experience with a bully dog; this poor dog had so many health problems that required a lot of treatment but he was so aggressive we could barely touch him with out him trying to attack us and no amount of sedatives seemed to help… it was really sad and really scary (he attacked me while I was trying to give him a vaccine). Long story short, the plethora of health problems combined with the aggression make them impossible to treat when they’re sick and it’s so sad. Not all bullies are aggressive of course, I’ve had puppymill mamas come in who are very sweet but they come with a whole host of other health issues due to being overbred. The whole bully thing upsets me so much, like the breeders should have to pay for the emergency airway surgery every single one of those puppies is gonna need with their extremely short and small noses!
Its terrifying. Some are the sweetest babies ever and others are bred to rip your throat out on site. Even the sweet ones tend to be nightmares just due to genetic deformities. I had one pass in my arms during an ear cleaning at a routine visit. He was fine, not aggressive, then just stopped breathing. I worked on him for 45 minutes and had to console the two sobbing owners, and it wasn't the first time this had happened to him unfortunately..
That's so sad. They breed these in such bad health that they just....die.
"perfect stud to run our clean b*tch" wow that has to be the worst sentence ive heard all week
That kinda phrasing would sound foul even on the set of a hardcore adult film, Christ on a bike
I know it's a term for dogs but the way these breeders use the word "b*tch" makes me want to throw up. It's like they're treating dogs as objects to be bred, but not as sweet loving creatures with their own unique personalities. I hate what that word has become for these types of hyper masculine dog "lovers".
Like straight out of p*rn, absolutely disgusting...
yeah.... it's getting into perverted territory at that point... especially with the live breeding event
I never thought I would hear such a thing outside of porn but here we are.
and these dogs suffer a lifetime of health issues/ behavioral issues just to make money and Instagram points. If that's not animal abuse, I don't know what is
It's animal abuse and there is nothing else to it.
A short lifetime too, 2-5 years
@@viral4983 Guinea pigs have that lifespan and a better quality of life
I found a post I’d saved of one of these people’s “new stud dog!!” (Translation: seven month old puppy) That post was made in 2022 and that dog is already dead, with dozens of offspring.
They never say what the dog died from. Unless the kennel gets struck by lightening every couple months, these people are knowingly breeding dogs that will die before adulthood.
My theory is that it’s honestly a draw for these people. They breed hundreds of puppies a year, hop on new color trends every few months, and get a new stud every week.
With how many dogs they cycle through, it’s convenient that the dogs only last as long as a new iPhone.
It means they can get the “new model” without commitment, and they don’t have to care for the dogs they bought a few years ago that are now out of style.
The moment i realised breeders of brachycephalic dogs are the biggest scums of this earth was during my internship with a zoopsychologist. A small bully she knew came up. The dog played a little and then just threw up. Water. I asked my teacher whats going on and she answered "yeah, these dogs do that. They sometimes throw up if they play too long" and it wasnt even 10 minutes!
That fact that humans do this to animals that are supposed to be our “furbabies” is monstrous
Whoa. That's heartbreaking
It makes me sick. And the amount of people i saw on instagram hearing a french bulldog's grasping for air and said "his little snorts thats so cute"
thats why ethical breeding is important, theres tons of pugs that do agility and live a fulfilled life and theres even more that come from byb innit
It's so sick that we willingly put animals through this shit for our entertainment. The poor things deserve a body that can actually support them.
As a veterinary technician, I have lost count in how many c-sections we have done on french bulldogs in the past 12 months ALONE. I have had a bully pass in my arms during a routine visit due to being brachycephalic (snub nosed and unable to breathe), we did CPR for 45 minutes and no success. It was truly heartbreaking, the dog had a history of coding (dying) during routine visits - it was sad and not a life any animal should have to live. These animals have little to no quality of life. When they wake up from surgery we often leave their Endotracheal tubes in longer when they wake up due to it being the best they'll ever breath. Bullys are the sweetest, but also the only breed to ever break skin on me. It truly does depend on training and genetics.
they’re great dogs but it breaks my heart to see the explosion in popularity that frenchies have experienced in recent years. they come with more issues than your average poodle or yorkie but the people getting them for aesthetic reasons either don’t know or don’t care. you don’t want to see any dogs be the subject of puppy mills but dogs that already tend toward health issues are especially hard for me to see taken advantage of.
We had a Frenchie spayed at my work recently and we left the ET tube in for like an hour after she woke up. The doctor kept pointing out how alert and lively she seemed. It’s true that they will often never get a chance to breathe that well again.
@@josiahclarke3535 just break my heart more why don’t you? 😭😭
@@chance757 Sorry 😭 She was a very sweet dog and generally doing good if it helps
At first glance, I thought these dogs were photoshopped and didn't realize that's just how they look from insane breeding😭
I thought that it was AI at first glance...
In the last years I see more and more of them.
They really do look like that.
It's scary and sad
I saw one of these in the dog park when I visited with a few friends and their dogs.
These things really look like that, they walk as if they were in constant pain, breathe as if they were about to suffocate, and are extremely slow. They are unable to play with regular dogs because of that.
Their tummies literally touch the ground and drag on the ground. It's so sad.
dude the one at 10:14 is crazy i cant believe its real
The commodification of dog breeds has always been immoral and now that it's come into the modern age of COURSE it would go hand in hand with the bitcoin manosphere. This disgusts me on a personal level because just one week ago my roommate found a two month old puppy in the rain (her age is assumed by vets). She seems to be a pitbull lab mix, and she was just skin and bones when we found her. She's already doing so much better and is a healthy pup, but videos like this make me only assume HOW a pitbull mix puppy got abandoned...
I’m so happy to hear that the puppy you found is doing better!!
A similar story from my family: Years ago my sister adopted a dog from a shelter. He had been found abandoned in the desert around Tucson. We always suspected that he had some pitbull XL mixed into him. He does have that signature pittie musculature (although a longer snout makes it easier for him to breathe), and frankly even by shelter dog standards he was difficult to train. But the extra training was so, so worth it. He’s been a wonderful pet and gentle companion to my sister’s two kids for many years. Last year my sister paid for one of those expensive doggie DNA tests and it confirmed what we always thought: The little dude is fully 50% American Pitbull XL.
And to think, somebody once abandoned this wonderful puppy in the Arizona desert. :( He might have been thrown out because of his mixed breeding or his appearance… In other words, because he wasn’t a perfect “commodity.” But it’s probably thanks to that mixed breeding that he has lived a longer and healthier life than many purebred pitties.
Anywhoo, I wish the puppy that you found many healthy and happy years, too!
My uncle adopted a Staffordshire. He to was skin and bones, neutered to early so his brain never developed normally and he will always act like a puppy even when grown. He was beaten, set ablaze at his tail tip, cut with a knife, got cigarette buds put out on him.
He was heavily abused for nearly one and a half years and it only stopped because they diagnosed his owner with mental illness and locked her up....
@@kurtwagner4663oh no, that poor baby. I hope he’s doing fine now, staffies are such sweet dogs
We had a pittie/lab too. (Only in past tense bc he lives with my brother). Your roommate seems to care a lot for her, so I hope you're prepared for a very large but very loving dog if you guys decide to keep her!
As someone whose family ran a rescue for 13 1/2 years there are a myriad of reasons we got for owner surrendered dogs which is a nice way of saying someone dumping a dog off on us, but most if not all boil down to the owners being lazy, or growing bored because the dog isnt as cute as it was when they bought it, or in the case of military just straight up abandoned which is why we rarely adopted to them. But yeah most people are lazy when it comes to training, socializing and enriching their dogs and when it becomes to much work they dump them, in the shelters, rescues or on the side of the road, that portion of my life blackpilled me on a majority of pet owners esp ones who own dogs like bullies, GSD, and rotties
Hearing the phrase "pre-order" in relation to puppies is insane
fr like we’re pre ordering dogs now like it’s a new cod game
So? You can preorder your pets. I preordered my cat. You hear of a recent birth, and ask the breeder if you could put a deposit on the one you want till they are ready in 10 weeks
@@lozdogsimo1782yeah I did the same thing with my puppy. It was a ethical golden retriever breeder. I just didn’t want anyone else to claim him before I could. I have a month before he is ready to come home
I did with my golden retriever puppy… I just didn’t want anyone else to claim him before I could. They were an ethical small local breeder. The mother was a healthy 3 year old golden and the father was a healthy 2 year old one.
that's pretty normal. People just buy a place in line to pick out a puppy since even if you know a dog will have 8 puppies that doesnt mean all 8 will survive long enough to be sold, some just die naturally. Same story with any presitgious animal line, i've seen similar with horse and cattle studs for show or for meat/dairy lines.
I used to dog sit a shih tzu who was rescued from a puppy mill. She had been forced to endure so many pregnancies, and she looked much older than her years. She couldn’t see, hear, control her bladder or walk very far. Truly such a sweetie though. I can’t imagine the quality of life for the dogs in these puppy mills- all the general horrors plus even more health issues.
The problem is the type of person who would purchase such a dog as a status symbol is also the type of person who doesn't care about correctly training their dogs.
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It’s sad that these dogs who can be such sweet and loving pets get treated in such ways. Honestly a lot of people shouldn’t be allowed to have dogs
Its that same 13%...
@@noaht5016 ok bot
Trailer trash and hood both get rich from winning lottery and then buy dogs like this.
The Andrew Tatification of dogs. 😭
The Andrew Tatification of Bully breed dogs on Instagram is insane 😭🙏
Not the sentence i expected to read today
God 😭
@@Blwbelle Still on point and the most based thing I've read today. Give it some time though, it's only 04:00 in the morning.
why did i laugh-
I feel like "can they generally mate and birth without assistance" is a good checkmark when it comes to whether we whould be breeding animals as well 😬
This bodes poorly for the panda.
@hedgeyes6411 how pandas have managed this long in spite of nature is a miracle
@@hedgeyes6411 pandas managed it perfectly fine in the wild for thousands of years.
Just because they don't breed well in captivity doesn't mean they don't breed well in the wild.
They're endangered because of habitat loss, not because they can't get it on
@@neff6185It’s because they do incredibly well in nature. They’re threatened by deforestation, not breeding issues.
Interestingly, by that logic humans shouldn’t be breeding either
A dog eugenicist talking about the genetics of their stud and calling it "Black Excellence" is a type of tone deafness that I cannot even begin to articulate.
the problem is that a lot of these breeders are poc/racial minorities. i've found that there actually aren't a lot of white people in this particular circlejerk. they're too busy supporting pug breeders or chihuahuas ig lol
I mean all the breeders of these things are black, that's definitely a fact. It's probably a large reason why the police are so reticent about putting an end to it
my jaw dropped when I heard that name
That’s one big thing I noticed, they seem to specifically market to black men and by doing so perpetuate harmful stereotypes about both pitbulls and black men
These dogs are the opposite of Eugenic and these particular breeders are the opposite of Eugenicists. Eugenics literally means “Good Breeding.” What these breeders are doing is the complete opposite of that. They are doing Dysgenics, which means “bad breeding”
This is a pretty serious and sobering video but I cannot deny the humor of using the Jerma Dog Show video when discussing the social media aspect.
Gonna be honest, I didn't hear a word of what she said while the little man was running, I was so mesmerized
he's so well trained!! :')
I literally had to rewind that part to hear what she was saying because I was so fixated on the clip
i stopped playing my game to stare at jermas epic skills
@@bugpartie watcha playing
certified veterinary nurse here!!! these dogs are actually insane - ive seen “toad bullies”, at my clinic, double merle frenchies”, hell, i even saw a fluffy frenchie a week ago (seriously, some people are buying fluffy frenchies for over $100,000)
the breeding of designer dogs has been ruining amazing breeds. doodle mixes with abhorrent breeds, frenchies that are bred for bigger facial folds, pitties that can hardly walk with how their limbs are positioned…we need to seriously put an end to this.
i whole heartedly believe in ethical breeding. if youre breeding, you should be breeding to breed out genetic issues, to breed for work/temperament, and to overall just better the breed itself
What did they breed with a frenchie to make a fluffy one?? I looked up a picture and i scared for what they are mixed with. Even if they are just breeded to be fluffier i wonder what they sacrificed for looks.
This is why I couldn't work in that industry. The fact you cannot do anything against those animal abusers is rage inducing.
@@Curdled.milk1 i think its a genetic mutation. though if the demand for them is high id imagine theyre inbred as hell
I cringe every time i see an "exotic doodle mix" or special colored frenchie on the schedule
I'd also say there's nothing inherently wrong breeding with an asthethic in mind, but it cannot ever compromise the animal’s health. It’s kinda like a house, you aren’t a criminal for wanting something that looks good but if the foundations aren’t good then the house is shit
Divorced from the bad breeding practices those posters are hysterical. If my dog had puppies I would 100% make a weird mma fight poster to give away the puppies. Fortunately my dog is fixed and a boy so I don't think I'll need to any time soon.
maybe your dog has seahorce ancestry, never give up!
SAMEE like i think that is hilariouus
I wish ppl did pregnancy announcements like this
i’ve seen some really really nice litter announcements by ethical breeders! my puppy was also featured in a “look out for/up and coming” ad for her mom that was really nice.
but yeah… i think it would be hysterical if an ethical breeder decided to do one of these garish posters just for fun lol
"Listen, it's the owner, not the breed!"
"Anyway, we market these dogs to appeal to the worst owners imaginable."
Exactly this
"it's all about the owner, not the breed."
Crazy how every lab I've ever owned loves the water and every blue healer I've ever had loves herding. I wonder what I did to accidentally train these dogs to do what they were bred to do.
if you're a drug dealer who wants a scary dog to intimidate people, then this dog is for you!
@@Jake-bt3fcnahhh bro you aren't seriously saying pitbulls are all aggressive?
@@iphoneasmr4610 Saw a pit on my walk today and the owner had to take it off the trail into the bushes far away from my dog. He looked terrified of his own dog and what it might do, lmao.
Never Seen a Labrador like that, lol.
It's not _every_ one but the majority I see are aggressive, poorly trained, and owned by a trashy weirdo.
For a bit of light in the darkness of the dog breeding world: there is a French Bulldog breeder named Chantal Wageveld-van Kruining who started a project to breed for health instead of aesthetics. Essentially, he is tring to breed to elongate their snouts and reduce their inherent respiratory problems. The original French Bulldog may have had a shorter snout, but it was nowhere near as squished and stuffy as the current breed's nose. The "trendy" flat nose of this breed causes so many breathing problems and seems to be the most obvious issue, but there are also spine and hip problems prevalent.
He runs a kennel called the Hawbucks Franse Bulldog Kennel and their official website explains their goal and why it came about. It's a project born from the incredible love and care they have for this breed. His first Frenchie ultimately passed away from health problems related to her breed and it was a large inspiration for his desire to give something back to the dog he grew to love so dearly, even past her passing.
Sorry this is really long, I just think it's super cool and inspirarional. I hope we see more breeding projects like this in the future.
I love to hear about these kinds of projects! I hope all kinds of dogs suffering from the results of over-breeding and human vanity can have people as willing to try and help get their breeds back on track and happy and healthy. It's good to know that some people actually do care about the animals.
There are programs like this for the English Bulldog, too! The Olde English Bulldogge, Leavitt Bulldog, and Continental Bulldog are all new strains of English Bulldog bred to recreate the early-1800s bulldog and reduce some of the health issues endemic in the current breed.
a longer snout will not eliminate boas, theres already ethical frenchie breeders even if its only 1% of them
@@minna2911right? all these people breeding “retro” pugs etc and mixing for longer snouts aren’t exactly preserving the breed. BOAS isn’t determined by snout length.
@@shyla9062 retro pugs/puggles etc are so sad because these breeds deserve better but all these mutt breeders are only making the risk of health issues and bad temperaments grow and grow 😭
That poor dog didn't even make it to 10 years old, but the lifespans of these extreme breeds tend to be so short that the breeder felt no shame in posting the fact that his prized stud didn't even make it to old age.
Absolutely understandable, there's no way something like this can biologically function properly, thicker muscles, lower/stocky build do not work well if your a quadroped.
Imagine fucking up this much when it comes to biology.
@@pessien8474 Most can't even deliver puppies naturally, they need c-sections. It's fucked.
At least some other dog breeds used to serve a purpose (even if that purpose wasn't very humane). These dogs exist just to be memes.
I’ve been working with dogs for about 10 years now and it stiff baffles me how little people actually care about the wellbeing of their pets
Yeah, I had to say goodbye to my dog not too long ago and him being so well behaved made me realize how so many people don't actually respect their dogs. Even if they love them....
@@alam4359
Is that your dog as a pfp? Either way, I'm sad to hear that you lost him, losing a pet is tough.
I have a Great Dane. My breeder is trying to breed the health issues SLOWLY out of the breed, the back yard breeding of Danes is horrible. My breeder will have a liter once a season if the opportunity raises, and the puppies she helps bring into the world are healthier with a longer life span than average. Extensive health testing and natural attraction is key. Oh, and she doesn't "sell" the puppies, they are all in her healthy Danes program.
@@madambluewaveYour breeder is doing good work! Great Danes are amazing and hearing that she doesn't profit off the litters she produces makes my heart soar. Giant breeds can absolutely live long lives if they are bred and cared for properly. If programs like this happened for every kind of dog I'd be happy.
@@alam4359 Yes, like forcing them to say hi to someone even when they're scared. Seen numerous chihuahua parents and other small toy breed ones do this and its sad.
The visual of jerma running through the dog course while you talk about the ethics of dog breeding is UNMATCHED
As someone with an American Bully, it’s like having a dog who can’t fully be a dog. Mine was re-homed with my family but originally came from a debunked backyard breeder issue.
There are too many issues. My American Bully, Beans, can’t go too far and do as much as other dogs. He has all this energy but his shape only allows for so much. He overheats.
If you want one, adopt. I don’t think bully breeding is truly ethical. Be prepared for high vet bills and maintaining health too.
Thanks for covering this!
I should have added, despite all of this, my dog isn’t as bad as the ones shown here (oh my god what are these people doing) and is genuinely pretty happy. It’s just he has some specific struggles do to breeding, one which cost him his tail. He still does overheat though.
im glad to hear thanks to your elaboration that your dog at least is doing pretty well health wise and happiness wise despite the circonstances, but it's crazy to me that breeding them is still legal!
Sometimes i wonder how people can be so terrible to animals, and then remember people are awful to other people on the regular so it really shouldn't surprise me anymore...
@@lilaniloxi their temperament is good but their everything else is…something. That’s for sure.
fellow izzzyzzz enjoyer heck yeah now that's some dededamn good shared interest
So happy to hear you talk about this unethical breeding. A family member of mine bought a French bulldog and within a few years they ended up paying over $20,000 just in severe health complications. These poor creatures don’t deserve to be bred into oblivion all for “looks”.
You can't just put a "designer" label on a living thing like a fashion accessory. This is dystopian and disgusting
It’s unfortunately the term used for modern day dog breeding/cross-breeding. Cross-breeds such as labradoodles, goldenoodles, schnoodles, and plenty of other ‘oodles are considered designer dogs
It feels so gross
@@thisisapictureofmydog.isnt9208 designer is sort of termed from the actual dog community it is purposeful. designer is a derogatory thing because it references "exotic" (aka hypertype) dogs or mutts that are only bred for money (like doodles)
Sure you can. If you have absolutely no regard for any living creature up to and including yourself, and only care about money.
We’re currently in the process of adopting a “micro bully” dog from a rescue, from what the rescue has said and what they can infer is that she was used for breeding for a couple years then just dumped somewhere, where she was then found and brought to the rescue. If these backyard breeders have no more use for their dogs they literally just get rid of them and it’s DISGUSTING.
Good luck on the adoption, you're saving this dog's life and giving them a better home :)
@@monbub she's home with us now! despite all the obvious micro bully setbacks she's the happiest little thing! and SUPER friendly
@@preyslaydisplay ❤❤❤
Pet that girl for me, okay? I'm scared of dogs, so I wouldn't be able to do it myself, but it warms my heart when critters with difficult pasts get to be taken care of for the first time.
I'm sorry but if your dog stands like a lizard you shouldn't be breeding it.
Don’t be sorry for being correct
They look like someone tried to restore moschops from fossil dna in a jurassic park spinoff.
Dogs were never meant to evolve in such a way. I always feel sad when I think about how we took wolves and completely ruined them for aesthetic purposes. Makes me realize humans are literally the worst beings on this earth.
One of my chihuahuas is a puppy mill rescue, (cops dismantled the operation and she got put up for adoption) she was kept in a cage for years. she has a burn scar over her ear and she used to be extremely anxious, still tenses up completely when being picked up after 9 years of being with us. We had to train her to stop eating her own poop. Puppy mills are abusive in more than just the disregard for the the dogs' reproductive health
How did you train her to stop eating her poop?
One thing- these dogs are absolutely NOT bred as fighting dogs. There is no debate.
Physically, fighting pit bulls are incredibly athletic dogs. Many of them are built more like Whippets or Malinois than anything “bully”, and the ones that are heavier in type NEVER come close to anything like this.
A organized dog fight can last anywhere from 15 minutes to over 2 hours, and the fight is lost if the dog backs down or refuses to attack his opponent when separated from him by his handler.
These exotic bully dogs can barely move- in every video of them on a show bench, their tongues are purple from lack of oxygen and they’re heaving for air just for standing still.
What these breeders are doing is capitalizing on the reputation of fighting dogs by using that aesthetic to market what are essentially a less healthy version of the French Bulldog.
That's what I thought. These poor creatures couldn't fight if they wanted to.
not that i think it would be better if they were breeding the dogs to be fighters, but there's something uniquely embarrassing about dropping thousands of bucks on the "toughest" looking dog possible purely so you can SEEM like the type of guy who runs dog fights.
I guess the one upside is that they are not a danger to the public if they end up in the hands of someone who doesn’t know how to handle a breed prone to aggression.
Yup
14:28 they point out that 10 of the 19 humans killed by dogs in the UK were killed by xl bullies. thats a single breed representing almost half of all deaths. 16:04 they may not be being bred to fight, but its clear they are intentionally being taught to be aggressive.
When I was a dog bather, clients with bully breeds (not pits) were some of the most obnoxious and entitled clients we dealt with. Some were also paranoid and claimed their dog was a different breed (out of fear?). These dogs also had lots of health problems with breathing, allergies, and joint pain.
i feel so bad for exotic bullies 😭 the whole trend of breeding them is genuinely disgusting, especially because there ARE ethical breeders (not ethical breeders of exotic bullies- there’s no such thing as ethically breeding those little freaks) out there who care for their dogs and their dogs’ health.
I SOO agree. As one who wants to go into showing dogs, I despise bad breeders throwing dirt on the names of people who are actually trying (and yes, there is a movement in the dog show world to bring bracyphaelic breeds back to health - not everyone is pushing for flatter faces)
You wanna know something even more fucked up about the exotic bully breed? They specifically breed for aberrant traits like Hydrocephaly and call it “Alien Line”. When the dog also has the fucked up spread out legs like Venusaur from Pokemon they call it “Toad Line”. Like this breed of dog which I’m dubious about calling dogs at this point. They only originate from at least one line which in dog breeder term’s means the beginning/founding dog’s who were used to start the breed. They do close inbreeding which is the worst form of it. I’m talking sires aka the dad dog being almost bred with their six month old daughters when they have their first heat. These dogs also have to be born via c-sections. Personally I’m of the belief that if the breed can’t be born naturally without a c-section it shouldn’t exist.
@@Mostie-ev7oh Oh good god I found some animal abusive asshole who bought a toadline on reddit in r/ruinedbreeds who was defending their breeder and insisting their poor dog had no health problems and your comment reminded me. How can people be so greedy and revoltingly cruel?
@@Mostie-ev7ohUGH that makes me gag
There's no such thing as ethical breeding. The breeding of unhealthy breeds is just a whole different level of cruel.
That's sad that "a lot of specific breeds in ALL ANIMALS are super unethical" is still a hot take
@toaststroodles2959 Thanks for the essay 🥹✨
I'm a vet student so that's a big part of my education. It's not only domestic animals (!), the breeding history of white tigers is actually crazy
True.
They’re advertising these poor dogs like men’s clothing or deodorant. There’s no way in hell they’re doing proper genetic testing to make sure they’re being set to a good life, and I feel so bad for the momma puppers, those poor babies can’t be in good condition. The dogs themselves are cute (I grew up with pitbulls so I can’t really see them as scary, they’re just adorable to me) but you can see that the breeding is being pushed more than a little too far.
You can't tell me this isn't a fetish thing. This just feels like some kind of fetishized eugenics nonsense.
yeah...I unfortunately suspect this has more than a modicum of truth to it, especially considering the dogs are physically incapable of reproducing naturally, which necessitates the breeders to um. yeah fuck this shit lol
Gender roles in general seem very fetishy to me. It's the way these people push them onto literal animals that don't have the concept of gender expression. Hypermasculinity is the absolute worst, it's so extreme to the point where it's goofy as hell and I can't take it seriously.
I mean they advertise live breeding, so yeah
Yeah it really feels like a fetish
Its this and some weird show of "im so masculine that even my dog is manly". Its pathetic on the owners part and sad for the dogs
Breeding for traits that will negatively affect the animal's quality of life should be illegal. These poor dogs are an extreme example, but there are plenty of established 'offocial' breeds that cause a lot of unnecessary animal suffering as well.
The AKC considers ear cropping and tail docking "standard" for many breeds. No matter how official you go, there is abuse in anything profit-driven with animals involved.
@@DreamtaleEnjoyerThe AKC doesn’t really profit off the cropping of dogs. It’s an internal politics thing. The scene is run by old people who hate change, so no change is made. It’s an enormous issue in basically all kennel clubs that exist, despite the benefit kennel clubs can provide as organizations.
French.
@@arnicamoana7861 I bet they profit off those internal politics in some way... But yeah, you're right, my two sentences weren't really related. However, I do have to add that the people who actually do the cropping are absolutely in it for the money. Any respectable vet with the slightest care for animals will turn you away if you utter the words dock, crop, or debark.
@@DreamtaleEnjoyer Or “declaw”!
THANK YOU for bringing this issue to light. I’m tired of people assuming I hate pitbulls because I won’t give their personality a chance or something; it’s because many XL breeds are inherently inhumane to breed and usually cared for irresponsibly.
Right has to hijack every damn conversation and derail it like making the pitbull debate be a veiled way to talk about race. I just want dogs to be bred responsibly by us humans in a way they aren't literally born into a life of pain without having to explain how dumb this is to apply to people.
The APBT and American Bully are two separate breeds of dog
That's the thing, almost all large dog breeds are bred to have even temperament and docilility, which bulldogs are bred for the opposite. There is a reason you don't hear about saint barrnards eating babies that often.
Dog behavior between their parens and breed wide is surprisingly consistent. A lot of the dogs behavior is genetic.
source: I'm a dog breeder
@@leowilliamson1573 The ironic part is crying racism for saying pitbull are inherently more aggressive, yet at the same time declare the reason for stats for incidentent for bulldogs is so high is because their owners are black and inner city.
@@AL-lh2ht its a mix of both temperment and environment.
Yes dogs like golden retrievers are alot more docile behavior wise.
And bulldogs have more temperamental behaviors.
But alot more things get into it. .I think attacks do happend way more because of their reputation.
Your going ti have way more agressive dogs when owners specifically gets one for that perticular reason.
They might also be more popular as "accessory pets" and so alot of people dont train them.
I notice that alot of docile breeds are often family breeds and more hostile ones are often the abused accessory pet or used for ither purpose like dog fightings.
I do think bulldogs have more of a temperment and are harder to train. Tho i really dont think that the people who gets them wants those dogs for their physical attributes more then actually taking good care of them.
I think its both due to temperment and how respected the breed is.
I still dont think there is any bad dogs. Only bad owners.
I work for an influencer, and when she told me she'd be "launching her new dog in a week" it gave me the worst kind of ick.
your boss sounds like a shitty person lol
Ew, working for an influencer, sorry for you :(
I hope you're able to quit. Its understandable if you cant tho, jobs are hard to come by
Influencers are the worst bosses from what I've heard
I don’t think Mary Shelley imagined her story would actually come to life.
The problem with bully breeds over other unethical breeds like doodles is the machismo around it leading them to end up with shitty owners that let them misbehave until they hurt someone or other animals because they naturally tend to not want to let go once they start attacking. Meanwhile a lot of doodles are neurotic but when they bite they just get sent to a shelter or put up on facebook.
I've also noticed a lot of these breeders are the types of people that go from get rich quick scheme to another until the find out dogs were lucrative. (Until they're not and they move on.) I bet all these guys were into NFTs and crypto.
Doodle breeders are just as bad. They just market to families instead of dudes. Perfect family dog, doesn't shed, born to be a service dog etc
Yes!! They are just scammers and these poor dogs are suffering because their shit owners want money
100% this.
Also while the doodle gets rehomed on Facebook, the pit gets put down. A innocent life wasted because of people like that
cryptobros are white though
These posters are funny, but the cruelty just... sucks. Backyard breeding and irresponsible breeding are infuriating. I've seen so many doodle mixes that were bought because they were cute, but have tons of health issues because of inbreeding/lack of genetic testing/etc.
YES people (rightfully!) shit on the weird and ugly looking byb Bullies only to turn around and praise Doodles for how cute they are. All the doodle-pomsky-micro-pocket designer breeds are just as unethical as these mid-life crisis fighting dogs.
Presenting a stud whose uh...equipment...is getting road rash because his legs are so short is just a whole new level of wrong-headedness
As an ethical breeding advocate I will be screaming my hatred of “exotic” dog breeders that are doing nothing but ruining dog breeds for their own greed from the rooftops forever
Same here and I've been saying it for a good couple of years now. Its beyond tragic
@@mikepeugeot7344 🖤 absolutely, the suffering those dogs go through for the purpose of greed is unacceptable
I don't understand how anyone can look at these dogs and not recoil 😭
I don’t recoil but I do feel bad for the dogs themselves.
A lot of ppl think they are "cute" or "good guard dog". That's the two reasons I've seen most. I think it's gross. They can't really do much, or breathe. I saw a man pick two up like statues. Dogs shouldn't be stiff.......
@@GaiashKetoji real those dog don't deserve this
I just feel bad for them all around :(. Poor things didn't choose to be born this way, and they probably have a lot of health problems. I hope that whoever buys them treat them well so their life is a little easier
yeah, it just feels so uncanny, they almost look more human the way their bodies are shaped and it's freaky. they aren't meant to look that way :(
I once had a job interview at a dog breeders, they were an extremely well respected place and definitely had a nice and took care of the dogs. My issue came when they started talking about the dogs, they never referred to them as dogs, they were stock and product.
They were ready to hire me and it probably would've paid well and I would've been able to work with animals, but I was so turned off from any breeder.
Maybe you should look for work in like a shelter or something, not some shit stain breeding program. That's inherently unethical.
that sounds like a puppy farm not a breeder
@@fluffysheep6317 This is how most breeders talk about dogs, not just puppy mills.
@@jelqsenseithat's not true, at least not in my country - our childhood dog was scouted by my countries golden retriever society to see if there was any potential mates for her to breed with that would be as suitable and safe as possible when taking into account vet examinations and potential health issues. she ended up having 2 separate litters of puppies and each time we kept 1 from the litter, while the others were all found homes (2 of them even went on to become service dogs for blind people)
breeding like this is very common in my country, individual families who have a dog working alongside a vet or dog breed society to have maybe 1 or 2 litters of puppies and giving the chance for both the families/households to be vetted before breeding starts, and later on having the help of the vet/society can make things like finding responsible future owners for the puppies and vetting them and ensuring as much safety as possible.
puppy mills are gross and a lot of corporate, business orientated "breeders" can slip right into that, but there's a lot of breeders out there who go through the process out of love for their dog and close friend, and also to welcome in some new friends and let them grow up and find their own families and joy
@@jelqsensei Loud incorrect buzzer
Only puppy mills treat their dogs like this. The moment a breeder decides they are breeding dogs for profit, looks, and/or doesn't consider the health of the animals immediately makes them a puppy mill, albeit a small scale one.
Reputable preservation and show breeders do not treat their animals like this, and most certainly don't refer to nor care for them as if they're solely products.
In the United State there is little to no laws regarding dog breeding/puppy mills, in the small town where I grew up my neighbor ran a puppymill for pugs/bulldogs. it was disgusting and they would regularly drown undesirable puppies. Now a days my hometown has a really bad problem with people dumping dogs in the countryside.
It's bizarre to me that bully breeding is even a thing. Every time I go to the shelter and check the dog section the vast majority are bullies. I've seen entire litters of French bulldogs I couldn't distinguish from purebreds, the most gorgeous tiger striped American bully, and my own dog who's a labrador pitbull (and probably some other stuff) mix that was returned to 3 different shelters before I adopted him. I don't quite get paying thousands for a dog as it is, but for bullies especially there are so many in shelters that you'll be guaranteed to find one that's right for you.
They buy into that crazy marketing (the customers).
@@oddishsmile7368 because people like puppies more than they like dogs.
One thing thats majorly overlooked is the mental/ temperament issues you see in these dogs due to inbreeding and breeding with an emphasis on physical appearance rather than behavior. Some variations are famous at shelters for being some of the only dogs that cannot be rehabed-- they are simply too aggressive and unpredictable. There absolutely is a breed component to some breeds being more aggressive due to these breeders. For example there was a lot of breeding for that blue coat pitbull about 10 years back. Theyd just breed anything to get that color. Now so many of them are anxious and unpredictable, ending in euthanasia when they inevitably end up biting someone.
It's such a shame what they're doing to these dogs. Blue nose pitties are a great example of sacrificing temperament when breeding for looks, it's very rare to find one that doesn't have strong reactions to strangers or other dogs since most with the blue coat also have the crazy brain issue. They can be absolutely amazing 1 person dogs but they fail to thrive in an environment that regularly has new people or animals coming in simply because of their genetics and bad breeding. It can be impossible to find them homes when their sole owner can no longer care for them and many end up euthanized as a result :(
@@HogTime A positive related story: brother had a blue pit (lovingly named Blue) that he found wandering in the desert with wounds on his head. Blue was an absolutely teddy bear with people and other animals alike though-he was also possibly the biggest doofus dog I have ever encountered: big puppy heart and nobody home upstairs. 😂❤️
@@HogTime you really need to get out more. Everything you said is false. For one, if the dog is blue, then it’s more than likely not a pit and was actually mixed with some form of mastiff. Pitbulls are actually extremely friendly with strangers, it’s Mastiffs that tend to be more aloof towards strangers so the blue dogs your referring to are actually mixes that inherited their temperament from the guardian breeds within their bloodline. There’s a lot more to unpack here but I figured this was a good start so you don’t continue to preach your uneducated opinion
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for speaking on this and using your platform. As a dog groomer, it’s so hard to see the neglected and ignored dogs that come into our salon, and the pet parents are CLUELESS. Nails grown into nail beds piercing the dog's skin, matted fur full of weeks-old poo, fleas and ticks that I don’t know how anyone could have missed them... it’s heartbreaking. So THANK YOU for educating more people about this, and hopefully this will help more people remember a pet is a privilege, not a right, and you NEED to do research before adopting. Stop breeders!
Stop unethical breeders who only care for the looks that are harmful to the dog. Stopping all breeders would stop a lot of those that actually breed for a friendly, intelligent or / and active personality and a healthy physique. If no breeding was allowed, only uncontrolled breeding would occur between random dogs. Not that randomized accidental breeding makes bad dogs, but it does have the potential to spread genetic diseases and also create an unhealthy physique, if for example a lab and a chow chow breed. If the male was the lab, it could harm the smaller female to give birth to the puppies (too large heads, etc).
@@Labrecque- Dude, not all breeders inbreed their dogs. They usually try to avoid that and try to get the smallest percentage possible.
Also, you can't stop all breeders. It's impossible, so, the better option is stricter laws and regulations. You can't expect to drastically change the world that quickly, it's too huge of a change. You have to make a small step. Slowly, laws and animal rights get better. Why not focus on the unethical treatment of bulls in Spanish culture, and stop the last remaining lethal bull fights? Why not work with animal protection and save the dogs that end up neglected or abused? Advocate for better practices in the horse industry, and like, banning hitting horses and allowing bitless in competitions? There are far better fights to fight than trying to ban all breeders, including those who love the dogs and the breed and do all they can to keep a healthy family tree.
Thank you for taking care of those animals. Idk what the laws are where you live but my understanding in most US states is the act of taking the dog in for grooming is considered improving the animal’s condition so law enforcement won’t do anything. I can’t image the frustration of seeing it again and again
@@nooneofnote8453 you’re right on. We can’t call anyone for neglect or abuse because it’s considered non-neglectful to bring your dog in for grooming. I wish we could call, because there were so many dogs that needed to be rehomed.
@@Labrecque-Not every person can rescue. Ethical breeding is an excellent option just like rescue is for some people. Bad breeding is how dogs end up IN rescues.
I had a co-worker who was a bully breeder. He told me he didn't believe in evolution and I posed the question that if the dog breeding community can spawn these mutants in a few generations for purely cosmetic reasons, is it really that far-fetched to believe that a species can change drastically but naturally, purely for it's own survival over thousands of generations? Think I changed his mind a bit on that. Knew I wasn't gonna convince him on the poor ethics of dog breeding though.
An animal breeder who specifically breeds for desired traits denying evolution is new to me, I’m glad to know the world has truly all different types of wild people
Glad you covered this. These accounts are making dogs suffer and placing people in danger. Also, a good dog breeder should be able to provide documentation that the dog is NOT inbred, and breeds dogs rarely with concern for health.
Let's also keep in mind that these dogs can barely breed on their own (mostly depends on artificial insemination) and often need c-sections to even be born since their heads and shoulders are so oversized and exaggerated while having narrow hips
Personally I’m of the opinion that if a dog can’t be born naturally it shouldn’t exist. Especially if it relies on c-sections.
My girlfriend's neighbor has two of these poor creatures. They are friendly and dont seem to be any more aggressive than the average dog, but you can tell they're struggling to breathe or simply walk. Their movements are uncordinated and awkward. They're very sweet and love visiting to get pets, but I can't help but feel sad for them whenever i see them.
There's someone with one of these bully dogs near my job who I see on walks around our building. The dog is an absolute sweet pea and for the most part doesn't look as toadlike as the ones shown here. But her poor back legs, you can tell they're not meant to be that stocky or set that way since she walks with an exaggerated "swagger" is the best word to call it. It doesn't initially look that bad, my manager thought her strut was adorable, but whenever I see her I just imagine the hip and joint pain just from having to walk like that
I raised reptiles for many years and the breeding community there is even worse-some of them work super hard to breed morphs with neurological issues, scaleless snakes and even blind/eyeless animals sometimes. It makes me feel sick knowing that some of the animals I adopted or were surrendered to me were from people with such little interest in their wellbeing.
Could you give na example of a morph with neurological issues? I have no idea about the topic and am morbidly curious.
@@yoyoshuyang2011 specifically, ball python breeders love the spider morph, which is notorious for having a “wobble” which some think is cute, but if it’s severe enough could make it near impossible for them to eat.
@@themayhemcalling4099🤯 that’s insane! I earlier saw a tiktok of someone bragging about their scaleless snake but I couldn’t watch the poor thing looked so defenseless
@@thisisapictureofmydog.isnt9208 scaleless snakes can be healthy in the right environment, but they’re so prone to infection it’s nuts.
do they solely breed them like that for cosmetic reasons?? not that theres a good reason to breed an eyeless snake, but seriously? people think them having a “cute” pet is more important than a healthy one? i wasn’t aware of that side of the reptile breeding community, thank you for educating me.
If these are the adverts and mentality that bully owners are drawn to it's no surprise these dogs attack people so often.
And if these Instagram breeders are treating living animals like a product and using masculine aggression as a marketing tactic, I think you can be pretty sure they're puppy mills.
I do get that she doesn't wanna get sued for libel but also yeah this is puppy mill, textbook definition. At least the marketing makes it unlikely families with kids who can't handle loss yet will end up with these dogs that'll struggle and die early, but that's a cold comfort.
20k for a dog is absolutely WILD
For a well-bred, purebred dog from a reputable breeder (show or otherwise), that price range might be deserving depending on certain factors.
But for a dog destined to be an affront to nature, incapable of giving birth naturally, proportions wildly alien-like, whom natural selection SHOULD weed out but can't because we humans force it to stay alive... he-he-hell no! 💀
Especially if they're dead within like 5 years
More so for a bred that can easily be found at a pound.
@Heyheyheygoodbye21 Yup, every shelter in the U.S. is completely packed with bully breed mixes that they're practically giving away. Goes to show that people aren't buying these dogs because they want the dogs, they're buying them because they want the clout and status symbol of dropping that much money on a dog.
@@ashwinghmI don't even get to that distinction. I think that a transaction for a living being is wrong.
We rescued our bully, he wasn't aggressive enough and was too chill to be a guard dog and is way happier as a family pet. It's so strange because the place we rescued him from said he was an American bully, yet proportionally he looks exactly like a Staffordshire Bull Terrier. We got him in 2017, so if that's how deformed the American bully breed got in 7 years, I don't even wanna think about how they'll look in another 7
@toaststroodles2959 You almost made me spit out my soda 😂
these dogs have always been so off putting to me 😭
i’m terrified of dogs, and whenever i see one of these they make me wanna shit myself they’re so terrifying especially with how small they are
That's what Hollywood has taught you
@@cipherjoe9 Pretty sure OP was simply referring to how fugly they are, they weren't calling them "vicious" lol
@@cipherjoe9there’s literally children that get mauled to death by them 🙄
Breeding pit bulls for aggression is so common in Florida. They are allowed to breed “game dogs” to help with population control of wild hogs. However, lots of accounts that post these game dog breeding projects reek of dog fighting / puppy mill behavior. There are dozens of dogs chained up with distance between them, they look bulky yet very skinny, and you can see feces everywhere. None of them fixed. This also contributes to the dog fighting rings in Florida
I've worked in the animal industry for going on two decades now, veterinary and pet nutrition, and I've seen breeding gone wild, but this was something ELSE. It's a combination of no laws banning backyard breeders and people viewing animals as props or accessories rather than the living creatures they are. I've seen so many weird doodle variations that I can't keep up anymore. I had a customer come in with a micro bully and he was bragging how much money he spent on his dog, and me who can't hold back sometimes just went "wow you spent that much on a dog with serious joint issues and can't breathe?"
the fact that someone somewhere actually looked at one of these fukn dogs and said "Imma name you B I T C O I N" had me laughing for like 5 minutes XD
Oh my god. My biggest pet peeve, I thought it was too niche. As a Vet Tech in the industry for almost 10 years, the health of these poor dogs is atrocious and the dogs are unwilling victims to greed and hyper masculinity. Half of them can't even walk properly 😢
“Bred back to his daughter” 🤢🤮
canine eugenics goes crazy
Cue banjo music.
Jesus Christ, That's Bloody Gross.
Like owner, like dog it seems
Any breeder who breeds “exotic bullies” or “labradoodles” or any designer dog are NOT ethical breeders. I’m pro-breeder in circumstances where they are working toward maintaining quality bloodlines that preserve set breed standards… but this should be illegal. Thank you for addressing the topic!
what’s the problem with doodles? just being curious. i don’t like them personally but that’s just bc curly dogs are off putting to me for no real reason, just a weird taste thing. but they seem to me like they’d be decently healthy.
@@mmmmmmmmariaBecause they’re trendy right now, a lot of unethical breeders and puppy mills have started breeding them, resulting in the dog market being flooded by goldendoodles with health issues and trauma. It’s also an issue of unrealistic expectations-while a person who buys a husky or staffy is probably expecting a high-energy dog with potential for aggression, a lot of doodle owners expect their dog to be a low-maintenance teddy bear just because of its looks and therefore don’t give it the training it needs.
@@swaanm i see, thanks for the info and perspective. in my eyes it’s still slightly less unethical than brachycephalic breeds but i see the problem.
@@mmmmmmmmaria labradoodle is not a recognized breed, meaning that there are no regulations on what a "purebred" labradoodle is. Even if you get a doodle from a non-mill breeder, you will have no real idea what breed it really is and what problems it will have. The real kick is that all of the traits people want from doodles are just the traits of poodles, meaning that they're taking risks on a worse version of an existing breed that has real regulations.
It’s so sad that these dogs are being treated like this. I have a real fondness for curly haired dogs, and I would love to own one, but I could never imagine myself getting one with how poorly they’re treated. I support ethical breeding, but I’d never support getting a doodle from anywhere but an adoption center or shelter
Even poor dogs are victim of toxic masculinity. This should be illegal everywhere and people who do this for money and Instagram should go to jail.
It’s hilarious to me that people think these dogs are “manly.” If I saw someone with one I’d just think, “okay, so you just can’t handle a real pit bull then” 😂
It's not toxic masculinity, that is ridiculous. The only people that breed and own these are trash. It's like a fashion accessory. Men don't own dogs like this.
@@Trevor-08 Yes the people who support these practices are awful but it is completely true that the motivations for many of them is that they think these dogs make them manly. The connection of masculinity with power and violence IS toxic masculinity and that is the reason for these dogs.
@@Angela-gd3cj Isn't it interesting when the aesthetics of manliness go so far that they run counter to functionality? It's similar to how body builders' muscles aren't actually very useful for their size, or how oversized pickup trucks are less practical than normal-sized pickup trucks.
Hot take: A real man could have a chihuahua and not have his manhood threatened by someone thinking it's not tough-looking enough.
My issue is that large kennel clubs (AKC, etc) have standards for their dogs made to enforce function and build. There are some exceptions (*cough* frenchies, pugs, bulldogs, dachshunds *cough*), but most are reasonably proportioned and bred for certain behaviours that would allow them to succeed in their roles or even just in different home environments.
These exotic, xl, whatever, bullies do not have a breed standard and are not recognised or bred for a specific job. They are purely for aesthetics and status. These breeders brag about inbreeding their animals (when these breeders say 2x Venom they mean that dog came up in the bloodline 2 times). They brag about their animals showing EXTREME extreme features (achieved through inbreeding) that limit their ability to live normal lives. I also highly doubt they are performing any sort of health-screening. These are backyard bred dogs - bred purely as cash grabs and for shock factor with no regard for the dog's issues.
Unfortunately, I doubt these breeders is going to stop anytime soon. In fact, they are beginning to extend their range from dogs to cats, with breeders such as BullyCatsUK breeding Sphynx (hairless cats) to Munchkins (cats with dwarfism that causes short legs) and inbreeding them to achieve cats with short, wide legs and no fur.
Daschunds are actually bred the way they are for their original job (getting into burrows to flush out small game). I, as a corgi owner, love dwarf breeds but hate the extremes and health risks, and agree with everything else you said! There's a big difference between a bred for purpose daschy and a byb what will have ivdd by the age of 2.
@@bambirose7184 Yeah, they were bred to be short for hunting, but if you look at how they were 100 years ago and the standard now, it is exaggerated. It's been found 25% of dachshunds develop IVDD at some point in their lives. They're definitely not as bad as brachycephalic breeds health-wise, but their intentional breeding is still a little questionable to me. That's just my opinion though.
Absolutely agree. There's a huge difference between well-bred purebreds without extreme exaggerated features, and BYB dogs.
Yeah, humans are pretty evil.
@@holli3716 Absolutely! Dachshunds were originally bred to have short legs for purpose, it's just been exaggerated. IVDD is far less common in Corgis because they haven't been exaggerated to the same degree. If dogs had to prove they were capable of performing the function they were bred for, and closed studbooks went, Dachshunds could be a much healthier breed.
In the case of Cavaliers though, I don't think they can be fixed at all. The breed was developed from 6 individuals. They have an average COI of 40%. They are extremely inbred even when from ethical breeders. 95-99% of cavs have CM and 50% of the dogs with CM have SM. Also 50% develop heart murmurs by 5, almost 100% by 10. unless they are outcrossed, I don't see that breed ever being saved.
@@holli3716opening the stud book is a super complicated process, and AKC actually has very little to do with it. it’s mostly parent club politics. however, opening the stud book isn’t a simple fix- especially if you were to do it in an ancient or village breed.
i do completely agree on your other point tho. i think it was jack russel terriers that for a long time could not even be registered until they were titled and passed health testing? and i don’t disagree with that concept at all
Poor little puppy 10:16 😢 he seems so tired of running, i feel so bad for him :( i hope he isn't doing these shows anymore and gets a lot of treats for his hard work❤
not to mention he’s the only one of his breed, i hope they don’t overwork him to death ☹️💔
It always makes me sad to see these poor dogs. They look so miserable and uncomfortable just being alive. I was at a place where some extreme bullies were being sold and they looked so deformed. No one should breed dogs for those insane proportions. The only things that breeders should be focused on are health and good temperament.
I adopted/found on the street a bully dog with a defect in her eyes due to bad breeding. She is in so much pain every day and we are having to get her a surgery to fix her eyes so she doesn't go blind and have pain for the rest of her life. It's heartbreaking.
If I was a MLP forum moderator, the amount of emojis in that post for Black Excellence would send me into a stroke.
I think you explained this fairly. It's such a depressing topic and I hate looking at them, but I'm glad you're bringing it to light. These people are despicable
Look, I'm glad Izzzyzzz is bringing attention to these horrible breeders, but I have an issue with this video. She's probably just trying not to get sued, but she is going _far_ too easy on these breeders. I will do what she likely legally cannot and clarify a few things.
"Though we don't know the personal ethics of any of these breeders" (10:30)
Yes we do. Looking at the dogs, they are not healthy. Period. These people are breeding unhealthy dogs. That is bad ethics.
"Am I saying that any of the bully breeders that we've talked about today [...] are puppy mills? Absolutely not. I'm not here to accuse anyone of anything."
By the dictionary definition of a puppy mill, these breeders are running puppy mills. According to Google, "an establishment that breeds puppies for sale, typically on an intensive basis and in conditions regarded as inhumane." Breeding dogs as obviously deformed as the ones featured in this video is inhumane. Cropping dog's ears for aesthetic purposes is inhumane (different question if it's done in rare cases for the protection of certain livestock protecting dogs; that can be for the good of the dog). Those are two obvious examples of these breeders being inhumane, and Izzzy discusses their insane production rate in this video. BY DEFINITION, THESE ARE PUPPY MILLS.
Giving these Instagram breeders the benefit of the doubt, especially at this level of leniency, is honestly irresponsible. These practices are plain evil, and I while I wish that was emphasized in this video, I kind of understand why it wasn't (for legal reasons.)
Keep spreading the word, these breeders ought to be jailed in my opinion for the amount of suffering they cause for animals.
YEP 👏 the "ethics" are front and center! Miserably bred dogs referred to as commodities with their poor ears chopped off
I agree w what you have said 100% I do hope she sees this comment
And lumping them in with show breeders 😬😬😬
@@bambirose7184 Yeah. I've got issues with some show breeders, but they're nowhere near this level.
The way I interpreted it, even if Izzyzzz says something, it might not be what they believe. Yeah, they are covering their own ass, but I think the fact that this video was even made implies enough to show how they really feel about the matter. It's like when people say "and that's why I believe x murdered y, but totally only as a joke in minecraft for the meme".
the names absolutely kill me. The male dogs are named things like "Ghost Destroyer 3000" and "Bullet Biter" but the female dogs are named "Petal" and "Peaches"
some people claim gender isn't a social construct
Reminds me of the way breeders name the fighting bulls here in Spain, but those are the opposite. I shit you not that one of the deadliest bulls ever seen in Spain was called "Mouse". His father's name was "Snail" and his mother, literally "Riflewoman". I do not understand it either.
Obligatory remark that bullfighting is bullshit and not a cultural aspect of Spain. Fuck them.
Well it’s also because their males will be in use for quite a few years while females have like 3-4 years till they need to retire since it’s done be c-section. You can give the girl a ‘normal’ name but the boys need a stage name you can put in big lights.
@@backparker9264 but the female dogs would also need to be marketable, since the puppies they birth would still have their features. Even if they were bred to have masculine traits, they're part of the equation, too. and "retirement" for these poor dogs can't be pretty.
@@justanotherleftie the only thing the female has to market is it’s looks who it’s dad was. Weirdly people don’t care about the mom since they can be bred a lot, it’s all about the dad. Retirement can mean a lot of things; if the breeder is promoting the dog has been retired it’s typically to rehome the dog. If they haven’t promoted the females retirement well… you can imagine.
@@justanotherleftie It's because the types of dude bros buying these dogs are also the types who preach about gender stereotypes being 'the right way'. So of course they're fine with girl dogs getting feminine or cutesy names, in their minds that's how it should be.
Oh my gosh thank you for using your platform to spread awareness! Not the type of video I was expecting from you but it made me very happy! I just finished my senior honors thesis in ethics “exploring human moral obligations towards the disabled animals we create and about a third of it is about French bulldogs and other breeds like this that are bred to have disabilities, and thrown away like trash when they start needing medical attention. There are really no laws against animal cruelty because they are legally property and I don’t think most people understand that. We need to fundamentally change the way both people and the legal systems view non-human animals if we want this to stop!
By the way: for anyone wanting to adopt a bulldog of any kind, please check out your local shelters and bully rescues! They are overflowing with dogs that need loving homes. I adopted a special needs French Bulldog pup from ROADOGS rescue in LA, check them out if you want to support a rescue trying to help these poor dogs and all of their medical needs!
Ear cropping is not only cosmetic. Working breeds like dobies need their ears cropped to lower the amount of injuries they may get to their ears. If their ears are flopping around they can get snagged, pulled, bitten, torn, etc. If you get the ear cropping done correctly and at the right age it is painless. But most extreme bully breeders will do it themselves and that causes infection and can be very painful for the puppies.
Breeding: there is a difference between unethical breeding and ethical breeding.
Unethical breeding: puppy-mills, extreme/exotic bully breeders, “oh it just happens sometimes”, “I just want to see what the puppies would look like”, accidental litters, etc
Ethical breeding: regulated, clean, and done to breed standards. These pups are usually registered through the local kennel club like UKC and AKC. These breeders will produce paperwork and documents showing the family lineage, shots, health testing and a contract that basically asks you to bring the dog back to them if they do not fit in your home and says that you cannot breed the dog for any reason.
I 100% support adopting but in most cases you do not know the dogs history or the main breed. I think it’s very important to pick a dog based on the breed, health history, behavior and so forth. It is extremely important to see what breed works right for your family.
SHOP AND ADOPT RESPONSIBLY.
Also in some breeds they are very prone to ear infection and yeast infection and cropping can be a way to help prevent such infections but only when done correctly
This was definitely not a notification I was expecting to get. But I'm morbidly curious now.
Haha same
We get a lot of these at the shelter I work at. Their joints are often so bad they can't sit properly and can barely walk. It's a very surreal experience to have to guess whether or not a dog understands the sit command because their back end can't reach the ground. Some cases are a lot more extreme than others, but we're frequently getting these dogs as strays which says a lot about the quality of care they get once they're past breeding age.
Sooo are you euthernizing them? I can't imagine anyone would want to adopt a suffering dog that costs thousands in vet bills every year😮😢
weirdly my immediate thought when seeing the ads was the ads i see on the Flight Rising forum showing off dragon pairings that people were selling offspring of. very weird to think of basically the same posts being made on Instagram with actual animals that need to be taken good care of. poor things…i genuinely don’t understand how people can look at these dogs and think they could be perfectly happy and healthy
As a vet tech, by far the worst job I ever had was working at one of these vet clinics that was not-so-secretly allied with a puppy mill. Left in less than a month. There's little out there more disgusting than seeing all these people around you who are supposed to follow the same ideals as you, of caring and helping and fixing problems, but they're actually only here for money and so blinded by that that they're willing to ruin a lot of animals' lives for profit - y'know, the exact *opposite* of the job description. They acted so sickly sweet and pleasant, but I saw the dogs they were milling through the system, and they were poor, poor things with so many aesthetic yet unlivable features that intubations and early deaths were common, and they were actively adding to it. It's evil. Outright evil.
These poor dogs, they’re not treated like living beings but basically like merchandise
My mom was a newfoundlands hound breeder when I was younger and my grandmother (on my mom’s side) was a dog breeder of a variety of different dog breeds before her, so I know from experience that it’s always important to prioritise the puppies health over appearance and I know that there is definitely a big issue among certain breeders that they just try to make dogs look a certain way, especially when it comes to dogs that are seen as more “trendy”.
This was pretty well researched! I'm a vet tech student (and a bit of a dog nerd) and just have a couple of notes:
- The poster at 2:38 lists "Extreme" as a class. Reputable Bully breeders do NOT produce Extremes, Micros, or Nanos. The other classes Izzzyzzz mentioned by name are accepted and have very specific proportions, traits, and temperaments set by their breed club (American Bully Kennel Club) like other breeds.
- The dog at 3:23 is not a pit bull. It looks like a Staffordshire Bull Terrier (or a cross). Pit Bulls are American Pit Bull Terriers, and their owners have been trying to educate and reclaim the name that was originally theirs because the public mislabels them.
- 9:09 In this case they'd be backyard breeders since they usually don't have a dedicated facility/site for breeding like puppy mills, though there's some overlap between BYBs and mills anyway.
- 9:56 Traditional shows and kennel clubs condemn overbreeding. I'm saying this as someone who works with shelter animals regularly and has only ever adopted/rescued. Responsible breeders breed once a year, maybe twice, and often skip years. They retire their dogs and never force them to continue showing/sporting when the dog no longer wants to. Ethically bred dogs go through health testing by specialists to ensure that puppies with health issues aren't brought into the world to suffer. Backyard breeders will *maybe* do an Embark health test (which isn't a good benchmark).
- 12:38 Short-faced dogs (brachycephalic) are more often affected by their nostrils being too small (stenotic nares) or their soft palate extending down over their throat, blocking their airway (elongated soft palate) than the actual short muzzle itself. Chihuahuas, Bullmastiffs, and Chow Chows are brachy breeds, but they don't commonly have Brachycephalic Obstructive Airway Syndrome, which is what causes the breathing issues in flat face breeds.
- The XL Bully Ban and stat mentioned at 14:39 is false, as the "type" set out by the UK Goverment is vague and ended up having mastiff + crosses, American Staffordshires + crosses, and Staffordshire Bull Terriers + crosses seized or registered as dangerous because they fit a WIDE set of measurements and non-specific criteria. Many of the dogs in the attacks mentioned weren't XL American Bullies, but just like the Pit Bull, they were a victim of mislabeling.
Overall a really solid video! Just a couple of points I wanted to weigh in on with mt own knowledge. Very happy to see one of my favorite video essay TH-camrs talking about a topic I care a lot about!!
THIS!!! I'd also like to add:
- 5:35 Ear cropping is not just for aesthetic purposes or for fighting dogs. Many working dogs get their ears cropped (like personal protection dogs and livestock guardian dogs) to keep them safe from ear tears while they're working. Ear cropping for aesthetics is also a very important part of keeping a breed's history alive and is generally safe and pain-free when done by a licensed veterinarian.
@@kibblx Knew I missed one! Thank you, completely forgot to cover ear cropping
Most bull dog attacks in the uk are mostly cross breed dogs that get falsely labelled as Staffordshire bull terriers.
Really wasn’t into the XL bully ban because I don’t think whole dogs should be killed, made extinct from lack of breeding that’s one thing but actually killing the dogs themselves is another. I’m all the more upset that this applied to staffies.
Thank you! I fear the breed standard for true pitbulls and staffies and American bulldogs is so muddled to the general public because of the generalization of "bully breeds." The mislabeling is frustrating and is likely a large contributor to skewing statistics. I have been trying to familiarize myself with how to tell them apart, but been having no luck so far, but if you know any resources that can help me be more educated on the true bully breeds I would love to know.
you hit literally everything i was going to say lol. i have a show dog (not a bully breed), and ethical preservation of dogs is one of my biggest passions in life.
i think an important note also is that AmBullies are not the same as the Bull and Terrier type. those dogs are completely extinct. AmBullies are a very, very new breed (the founder is still alive and breeding iirc, and i have shown alongside people who personally know him) that were bred down from out-of-standard UKC APBTs. their justification for being a new breed instead of just hanging papers was that they wanted to have more muscular dogs with low energy that fit into the “companion” group rather than the “terrier” group
5:55 I like that Izzy’s accent prevents her from being able to say “ear” haha. It’s like Scottish people and “purple burglar alarm”