We may have been duped to watch it, but I'd bet good money the writers out-stupid us, or else we'd not have been discussing everything that's wrong about it.
@@veiddimaddur8354 I mean, GW stole... errr, 'borrowed" most of their lore from everything that was successful before them. I don't think they get to count their lore as better than anyone's when it's lifted from everyone.
The writers of recent star trek have forgotten that there's a massive difference between saying "humanity is bad" and "humanity can be better". It was the latter, not the former that made star trek what it was
Plus the whole 'What happens if the Federation was pushed into morally compromising Catch-22 situations?' question was asked very, very effectively throughout the seasons long Dominion War arc of DS9.
Spot on with the "They heard the feedback that we didn't want a dark Federation... So they moved us to another timeline to have a dark cynical story. Because that's all they know how to do".
Same trick they did in Disco S1. Then they decided to try and go with the straight-up corrupt Federation and evil Section 31 Starfleet in Disco S2 - because Section 31 is the show they've wanted to make all along
I hate that it seems like a super advanced space fascist future. Wouldn't it make more sense that humanity completely destroys itself? If they ignore global warming and make a fascist, racist, evil dictatorship but still get spaceships, teleporters, and replicators, it seems like things basically work out either way. World peace, world war, doesn't matter. The idea should be that humanity can be more advanced if we work together, not just a different color pallet. I guess star trek has always had this issue. (Insert joke about Klingon nerds making the technology here.) Still seems like especially bad writing.
When I heard they were going to a dark timeline, my first thought was, this is ultimately what the writers and producers want to produce. ' My second was, ' why don't they write Earth's WW3 that occurred before Cochranes warp flight? ' They would love that time period. Its the one time when everything was hopeless and everyone wanted to fight each other. The time before enlightenment when the human race nearly destroyed itself. I'm surprised they haven' t gone for this.
Modern Star Trek TELLS us "(X) is bad!" and then moves on to action and shooting, while old Star Trek ASKS us "Is (X) good?" and then has a discussion about it.
It's an allegory for the difference in the world it's in, and how those writers were brought up in the schools they attended. Old schooling taught you to think for yourself, and so did Star Trek of old. Modern schooling teaches you to listen and obey, and parrot this narrative, and so does the modern Trek of today. All media, in fact. If the people making Star Drek want to lament the rise of fascism in the world, they only need to look back at themselves and accept that they are helping engender the "my way or the gulag" mentality they claim to abhor.
I love how Alex Kurtzman says sci-fi needs to reflect our time, but then can't think of a way to discuss current issues without leaving the future and setting it in current times.
Why would Sci-Fi need to reflect our time? The whole point of it should be showing a different time. If only someone talented had made a long running Sci-Fi series that looked into an optimistic future of humanity.
@@SPARTANTROOPERBecause Star Trek, while set in the future, has typically dealt with issues that are reflective of our time. It almost always has presented an optimistic future but used other races to insert problems that our society has faced and/or are dealing with. Like OP said, either Kurtzman was to dumb to figure out how to emulate decades of other Trek shows that have done it successfully. Or, he and the writers didn't think that "new Trek" fans would be smart enough to understand allegory and needed everything blatantly spelled out for them. Honestly, it's probably a mixture of both.
@@dr4d1sI think people forget that sci fi is an extrapolation of what we have now, it’s why you can go back through years of sci fi and see what they were thinking about the future, I think TOS tried to take American optimism about the whole technological golden age they were stumbling into, as well as 60s social activism. All of that kind of combined into the sci fi show we love, I do wish kurtzman knew this stuff and was able to expand on it, but I guess they discarded most of the energy from the early stuff by the TNG movies.
In David Mamet's Masterclass, he talks about how you have to dramatize something you're conflicted about yourself. If you're convinced that you have all the right answers, and your audience just needs to be preached at, it makes for terrible drama, because the audience is smarter than you and can see where you're going before you get there. I feel like Alex Kurtzman has made this point even more effectively than Mamet could.
Robert McKees Story is a book I got early in my pursuit of writing(I placed in one script competition then got overwhelmed by life). In it he discusses didactism, a sin I have yet to see a modern show avoid. He says that bad writers like Kurtzmann think “fiction can be used like a scalpel to cut out the cancers of society”. But end up boring everyone because people don’t watch Star Trek to be preached at, they want to watch a fun sci-fi show.
@@samuelchristie570 I liked TNG because of the bizarre concepts, new trek going on about surface level, shallow current year american politics is just not interesting, I complain about that shit irl, i'd rather see something more interesting and actually thought provoking.
There's far too many writers who think they're smarter than the audience and need to be TOLD what to think, the key to good storytelling is to explore a concept or theme neutrally and see where it takes you, clearly these fools are arrogant beyond belief.. yet keep getting jobs due to nepotism and connections
I think there's certainly room for those sci-fi stories that are analogous to current issues, but it needs to be a story first, which is why I think that gay episode with jadzia is fantastic.
Mike's bit with Picard talking about Geradi turning into the Borg Queen is hilarious. That and the Wil Wheaton slowing dying inside closeups makes this re:view a classic.
Holy shit I was crying at that part and had to rewind it. It's so ridiculous but I could picture a more dramatically written scene like that ACTUALLY happening is the part that makes it more hilarious. The show is so stupid and he nails the old Pstew performance perfectly too. When Raffi calls him a prick I die again
In a recent episode, Picard returns to the "10 Forward" location. He looks at the "10" on the building, he looks at the "Forward" street sign. He ponders for a moment next to a jeep with the license plate "S02E01". This is how the audience knows he is at the 10 Forward location from Season 2 Episode 1 of Star Trek: Picard.
It was such a "derp" solution.. the bar she made AFTER she was on the enterprise now exists 300 years previous? Talk about lazy writing.. and why couldnt it be the same Guinnen? I mean she looked like Whoopi when she derped about with Mark Twain and met Picard and Data in the 1800's.. why is it she has forgotten who she is, and aged 40 years younger in the span of 100 years?
I thought you were joking, but nope, there it is; an in-universe callback to the episode number since the average viewer apparently can't remember three episodes back. I am mortified.
@@Cybolic it's the writers - after a self-congratulatory wankfest - cramming in "look, reference! We're clever and you're clever too for seeing our reference!". They clearly see the fans as idiots and that's why the writing is fucking awful What a shit show
The only positive to Picard is that we get to watch Rich Evans and Mike cry over the corpse of their beloved childhood franchise and discuss what made the original content so great.
Oh, that's my brain medicine. I take it to help with my hallucinations. It seems to work for the most part, except for one side effect: hallucinations... The main thing I hallucinate is a fat, middle-aged man who loves Star Trek Picard season two.
It's just fun to watch two people who loved a series and its characters so much, watch it turn further and further into a pile of trash. It's the same sick schadenfreude behind me introducing my girlfriend to Game of Thrones recently.
It is fascinating watching two guys angrily age out of Star Trek's 18-34 year old demographic that it's had for sixty years and make fewer complaints than they do in their TNG Rewatches about the writing while acting like these problems are new.
I know this is a small point, but why is the fascist, militaristic alternate government a confederacy? A confederacy is a government structure that places very little power or authority on its central government to allow for smaller units within it to act as semi-autonomous states. It's extremely weird that their more controlling, warmongering version of the Federation is one that employs a system that decentralizes power and authority. A feel like there's a good chance the writers don't actually know what a confederacy is.
You're assuming they put any more thought into this than "Confederate flags are bad, so let's call the fascists The Confederacy to stick it to those right-wingers".
The absolute best description of Q I ever saw was in fanfic, of all things. Q saw himself as the older brother, mocking and berating younger "brother" humanity. But sometimes, when no one else was looking, he'd still help that younger brother out. This is not that Q
@@lyubit9841 When My Little Pony understands your Star Trek character better than your 'Star Trek writers' you have a serious problem. That or the My Little Pony writers were on point and did good work.
In old startrek the main sin was wasted human potential. You didn't have to be a doctor or physicist to be apart of something. You could be a sandwich maker with no dazzling special skill. As long as you gave it your all and enjoyed what you did with a passion everyone respected you and the path your life lead you on. One of the best characters was the grounds keeper at the academy that talked to the new recruit students and gave them a little bit of support. He was a garbage man.. and everyone loved him because he cared.
Same goes for Sisko's dad, even Jake Sisko. Sisko finds no issue with Jake wanting to be a writer, as long as he gave it his all. And Sisko's father was perfectly content at making Creole Food in Louisiana. It's small world building stuff like that that makes me adore's Star Trek's hopeful view of the future. And NuTrek just takes every opportunity it can to shit on it. If you removed StarFleet and other staples of the world of Star Trek, NuTrek would be INDISTINGUISHABLE from other schlock Sci-Fi. The current Star Trek writers are absolute hacks.
That sandwich went on to greatly please the Glorbian diplomat who was so delighted with human cuisine he advocated directly to the Three Nippled Emperor to join the federation so that cultural exchange would be unhindered and a great union of souls could occur. That is old trek. Nu-Trek would have that sandwich be poisoned and kill a Trump-surrogate thus preventing the genocide of all brown aliens in the universe.
Yeah the academy that trains officers for the federation that almost broke up over helping romulans. But an excommunicated drunkard and a 97 year old retiree that wit in a huff sponsored a murderous member of the race that put a spy in the head of security in Starfleet; and they just said, “bygones bitches!” Yeaaaaah noooo!
@@BoleDaPole who did he kill before the academy? We don't meet his character until he's on the Enterprise, already an officer. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.
The suspension of belief shattering moment for me was when Seven and Raffi are on the bus, and there's a punk playing loud music on a boombox, and Seven asks him to turn it off and he apologizes and does what she says. I mean.....come on. Where did he get that antique contraption in 2024?
Halfway through reading this I assumed the punchline would be that kind of person blasting music in the first place wouldn't turn it off, much less apologize... I'm getting too cynical, aren't I? 😮💨
That clip of Wheaton setting Patrick Stewart up for a cheesy positive answer only for Stewart to shut him down was gloriously awkward! Watch that face fall!! In fairness it was a terrible question "on a scale of 1 to a million how excited are you for the new season?" What a shill
did he shoot him down or not really understand the question? It's like when you ask your grandma how's the weather and she says she likes to go shopping on Tuesdays.
I think you hit the nail on the head when pointing out the lack of professionalism within star trek characters now. Between the Raffie emotional outbursts and the constant crying in Discovery (I'm finally done with that show after the latest series), it's a shocking lack of training and professional behaviour within the crews.
Someone else wrote that the problem is Kurtz and co are writing a show for a teen/young adult audience so they have to shove in anti authority, snippity and snazzy, emotional, visceral, relationship filled characters. Look at nurse chapels trailer for snw for example. But that’s the problem when these are consummate, academy trained astronauts. Even if they’re enlisted they still should have some discipline drilled into them. It’s unbecoming of what Starfleet is- trained personnel. There are some emotions for sure but the characters should try their book smarts and academy training and the book before going to despair and crying and hugging.
Ehh, at least Discovery finally has episodes that feel like TNG again. Those final two episodes of season 4 finally had aliens and concepts that feel like what we could have seen if TNG got proper a revival instead of getting Picard.
“You’re killing it, 2024.” Who the hell talks like that in Star Trek??? Another point - wouldn’t it have made more sense to just send Picard and co. to the Mirror Universe fascist future and then send them to the Mirror universe’s 2024 and the crew decide to alter the future for the better? At least it be more in line Trek lore and there’s something uplifting about trying to fix a fascist world.
All this proves to me is that Nu Trek is clearly in a new timeline. They'll "fix" things in 2024, but all it does is create the Nu Timeline, in the same way the Kelvin Timeline split happened.
I still find it hilarious that the people in charge of Star Trek don't actually let Wil Wheaton be in their shows and only let him interview other people.
I'm honestly impressed how hard Wheaton shills in those horrible bonus segments. He's full on deepthroating Paramount's corporate dong with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye and then chokes out a "THANK YOU SIR!" afterwards and does a little monkey dance.
In the previous series', whenever someone from starfleet encountered cultures that held more "barbaric" ideas.. even (or especially) when they dealt with their own in the past, it was almost always in a manner that was informative, matter of fact, and non-judgemental. There was an implied sense of understanding that they were dealing with people who haven't gone through, culturally, everything that they have. Yeah, sometimes they'd deliver lines angrily, because the specific situation was emotionally charged.. But they normally weren't emotionally upset over the state of things themselves. They knew they were not as far along. This new star trek, in their attempt to "make it relevant", deliver lines like: "You're killing it 2024!" 😔
this isn't really true, though. Bashir was constantly bitching about how bad the 21st century was in Past Tense and was getting really upset. That did fit his character, however, as opposed to Sisko who didn't let it get to him.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 Christians didn't do that. The natives converted willingly because they, like all people, had a natural sense of the divine, but the Christians had a much more solid framework so they joined up.
@@DiggitySlice Explain residential schools then; children being neglected and dying and being assaulted and killed. Forced abortions and rape. Colonial Christians believed they were superior and therfore had a right to do the things they did.
One of the cringiest things are the “interviews” with Wil Wheaton, which is basically him saying “I love your show! I love it soooooo much! So, um…when are you gonna bring back Wesley Crusher? I need money. I said everything I thought you would like. Please?”
In the right hands of a good writer or writers, he'd arrive back from his adventure with The Traveler all powered up. Well we won't get that unfortunately.
Nothing makes me happier than when Mike uses a TNG/DS9/VOY episode as a reference, but then gets carried away and just starts reviewing that episode. His little face just lights up.
I hope that their 'favorite episodes of TNG' videos become such a regular feature that eventually, they review every episode. Jay begrudgingly joins them halfway through and realizes he actually does like Star Trek.
"Who is Seven of Nine going to shoot to put out the fires?" That's a perfect question. It captures everything wrong with new Star Trek. When a 24th century person criticizes 21st century people for their terrible choices it carries weight. But new Star Trek doesn't have 24th century characters. It's just a bunch of 21st century characters walking around in the 24th century who would make all the same kinds of choices. One criticizing the other is hollow. The writers aren't interested in imagining what kinds of people are produced by 300 extra years of moral and cultural progress, which is the whole point of Star Trek.
I think that's unfair to the 21 century. People don't go around committing mass murder with small arms and get away with it. Seven of Nine would be locked up in this day and age.
Imagine somebody from like 300 years in the future calling you uncivilized because civilization isn't as advanced as it is in the future. Like no shit you idiots. At least we don't have Ninja Romulans cutting people's heads off.
I dunno, old trek took a whig history approach to civilization that isn't necessarily realistic. I think one of the better parts of the new series is showing how war never changes. A 1st century man is going to be as flawed as a man in the 11th century, 21st century, 24th century and beyond.
My favourite thing about current pop culture is the way that EVERY FUCKING SHOW AND MOVIE MAKES THE SAME HEAVY HANDED AND EXTREMELY PANDERING POLITICAL POINTS. Very cool.
Just appreciating the fact that huge star trek fan Rich Evans has one of the main protagonists of this new show filled away in his mind as "murderer" 34:08
He was asked, “On a scale of one to a million, how excited are you to be back on the set of this show?” and his answer was basically, “it’s better than a worldwide pandemic.”
Its like they were forcing him to watch a snuff film everytime stewart talked. You could actually see him dying a bit over the course of a few seconds, as if joy was being pulled out of him by force.
The idea of a "Dark Federation" is dumb anyway, because, in a certain sense, every society encountered by the Federation (Klingon, Romulan, Borg, Founders etc.) is intended to be a kind of reflection of the Federation, with a few key differences that allow us to explore why the Federation is the way it is. The Klingons are the Federation, but driven by conquest. The Borg are the Federation, with the absence of individuality and so on. Is this really such a difficult concept for the writers to understand?
It is. It is that difficult for them to understand. Because, when they began writing, they did not, for one second, ask themselves why the world of Star Trek was the way that it was. They didn't care why Picard was who he was, why the Federation worked how it worked, why they were exploring the cosmos at all.
Not to Mention that the Idea behind the Dominion was the be the Dark Federation, uniting the Gamma Quadrant through intimidation and fear instead using Diplomacy and Civics
The simple answer is yes it was too difficult to understand metaphor. A wise fools once said "it's like poetry, they its like sorta they rhyme"... I paraphrase, but the idea is true. The ferengi are parallel but not equal to the federation, on basically all levels. Equal but different tech. Regulated customs, but they have differences from there. Both value primitive cultures. The ferengi see monetary value, the federation sees future generations and possible members. At first glance the ferengi seem mercenary in their approach.. but remember it's against federation regulations to save a species from killing themselves or being stepped on (though this rule is broken occasionally for drama). So we the audience ask: "is the prime directive (read: the state ethos) actually the best way to go? Can it be improved without making things worse? Can it be violated and integrity remain?" Wow wasn't that fun, but was it as much fun as "I'm you but more evil ahaha"... Why write when you can pad the film with action. In a world where underpaid graphic artists can do anything, action scenes are effectively padding.
Oh my god, I just realized that after listening to Mike and Rich talk about Star Trek for 50* hours… I’m emotionally invested in the characters despite having never watched any of the classic series or movies
Omg seriously, a dark “anti-Federation” again? They literally JUST did it on Discovery. How can writers be so lacking in creativity and imagination that they only have the same 5 ideas that they keep doing over and over again.
@@spawnofyakub8390 Trump will likely still be alive and politically outspoken in 2024. Surely we'll be disappointed if he isn't a main character in later episodes, gassing his own people for no reason.
They want to consistently tell you how much they hate the present and that they think everyone is being brainwashed into fascism for not complying with their worldview.
It would've been cool if the writers twisted the edgy federation into a more, morally grey faction, where a situation caused them to apply harsh policies and tactics. But no, we got Stalin 2 boogaloo
W. Wheaton: "Patrick, tells us how excited are you to be back on the set of Star Trek Picard" P. Stewart: "Wil, I am 90 years old, in constant pain and the only reason I'm doing this is because I'm terrified of death."
Would it be going too far to see a parallel between Patrick Stewart in this and Bruce Willis' recent film spree? They both seem kind of desperate, albeit for different reasons?
Kurtzman's knowledge of Star Trek lore is so deep, when he finished talking with Wheaton (43:55) I fully expected him to say "May the Force be with you."
I love it when writers kill off a character for no reason other than for another character to make irrational decisions out of grief and complicate the plot. I really love it when shows do that
The word you're looking for when you describe how they jokingly poke fun at plot elements of the first season that should gave far more serious implications but are being swept under the rug is "lampshading." The act of mentioning something because it would be weird not to mention it, and then putting a lampshade over it and pretending it's not there.
Rich is giving these writers a LOT of credit, assuming they're setting up for the Bell riots. That would require the writers to have seen Star Trek before 2009.
I do have a slight bit of hope. They've heavily mentioned DS9 references so far. It'd be a bit odd to send them to this same time period ( and possibly day ) that sisko and crew went to. Why pick this year exactly to that episode if not setting up for something related.
@@laughablelarry9243 I admit there's some plausibility, it's the right time period and they HAVE mentioned some DS9 stuff. I even admit to thinking the Watcher could be Sisko, what with all the Emissary of the Prophets and what not, but... I just don't have that much faith or good will left, I guess.
Considering 80% of their references are to TNG and First Contact and the Gene Wars and .05% are to the Kelvin Universe, I'ma say they know a little bit about pre-2009 Trek.
@@MrBazBake (Psst, hey. I know. I was being facetious and exaggerating for the sake of shit-talking the narrative direction of a lot of recent Trek projects. Shh don't tell anyone love you)
@@promane557 Come on, you leftists really need to come up with some new material - racism and homophobia is so 2010. How long are you going to rely on name recognition/nostalgia and finally bring something fresh to the table? - Who are you, Alex Kurtzman?
@@arsenelupin9697 Regardless of you feel about leftists.. It is true that Star Trek has always been progresssive.. it's very much in the spirit of the show.. Obviously new trek is often incredibly clumsy about it, just as it is with everything in it's writing. And I would certainly like that something like homophobia would be a thing of the past, but you'd be surprised at how many people get upset at seeing gay couples on screen. The problem with new trek is not that it's "woke" or "leftist propaganda".. star trek was always woke.. It's that it relies entirely on surface level references, name drops and cameos without actually capturing the true spirit of hope and curiosity that made the older shows so appealing.
@@arsenelupin9697 Obvious Troll is Obvious. Sure Star Trek has always been progressive, that's why People loved it. But it has never been the "Mental Illness needs to be catered to because we say so" of today. It used to be grounded in actual science, what might be possible and more important, the greater good based on merit and individual morality. Star Trek was basically the opposite of the left today.
As a 28 year old man who just started watching Star Trek TNG and is really loving it, it brings me great sadness to see the modern iterations of the show are being destroyed in the same way Doctor Who and Star Wars have been.
The only thing I wish from Nu Trek is that it gets new fans into Trek, who then see the old episodes and then realizes what they're missing with Nu Trek, only to then demand that Nu Trek be better. I feel like this has happened, because for all the crap that Nu Trek brings, one thing it's been doing right lately (even if it's only a matter of "a broken clock is right twice a day") is that they at least FINALLY know to reference canon properly, instead of doing whatever the fuck they want and ignoring established Trek fact. They at least acknowledge it, and I think a lot of that has to do with Nu fans realizing how disconnected Nu Trek is and complaining... so that's something.
Yeah, it sucks. But classic Star Trek will always be there. Glad you discovered it (ugh, even that word makes me shudder). It's so nice to see new people come into the fandom and enjoying the good stuff.
The character of Raffi should be studied in “bad writing classes” about what to avoid. She’s the personification of fake conflict. She gets angry at different characters for no reason because the writers needed fake drama for a specific scene. She gets angry at picard for “fooling around” with Q. Everybody who’s seen the show knows that’s not true. Picard is always the responsible one and overcomes all of Q’s silly games. Raffi’s stupid dialogue has no basis in the history of star trek.
When Elnor died, who should have been the most upset? Picard, since he has known Elnor since he was a child. However, the writers made it so that Picard seemed to hardly care, yet Raffi acted like it was the end of the world. The writers just don't seem to understand how to write the characters well. I think the actress who plays Raffi is a good one (like on Blindspot), but here she overacts because the writers feel like she needs to be the most volatile of the characters.
In the first season Raffi acts like Picard ruined her life when he resigned from Starfleet over the failed Roumlan evacuation. She was his adjunct but him resigning wouldn't have meant she was out of Starfleet too. Apparently his resignation was her resignation too or something? How would that work? Or she was mad that he "gave up" after realizing the evacuation wasn't going to happen? He's a great man but he's just one man. He alone can't make Starfleet and the Federation do anything a majority of people don't want. In season 3 it was nice to see her be something other than a miserable person who randomly gets mad at people. The actress is charming enough that I kind of actually don't hate Raffi anymore after that.
The Trek writers do understand allegory -- having Picard's consciousness shoved into a robot body to continue shuddering along into perpetuity is exactly what they've done to the soul of Star Trek with this show. Push more recognizable Trek Stuff into this jittering, clunky framework called a series and power it on for another run of episodes. Season 3 could bring back Harry Mudd, Chief O'Brien and maybe the Tholians as they all go to Quark's Bar! Thanks RLM for making this all partly bearable.
Not gonna lie, the fact that Seven of Nine, unironically one of the greatest Star Trek characters, got sucked into this TNG funeral is probably the most depressing part to me.
@@Name-se3lf I just finished voyager and am about to start ds9 for the first time, I may just wait to see what becomes of them here before investing the time..... jk, this shit won't be cannon in the Fandom
I wish the show had come out just a few years earlier. Sad watching Stewart now. It feels like there are production assistants just outside the frame with cattle prods to keep him from wandering out of the scene. And I say that with love.
The Ferengi skull just triggers me, it’s like seeing those Halloween cat skeletons with ears. It’s essentially a big cooperation is treating us like Lenny sized morons.
Well with ears that big it's possible they need bones to maintain the shape. Have they established before that their ears are made of the same stuff ours is?
At the dumbest end of plausible, this is the future, they could've gone so far as to preserve the ear cartilage specifically for the display since it's such an important part to them.
So far I've only watched a little TNG (unfortunately), but from what I've seen, immediately I picked up on the professionalism of the star fleet officers. One of the handful of episodes I've watched was the one where Q just decides to destroy a chunk of the enterprise ship and instantly kills like I think it was a couple dozen or even hundred people. I think it was this intern lady working next to Jordi who just goes "oh my god...all those people....how do you keep working?" and Jordi frankly says something to the effect of "we'll have time to grieve later. right now we need to put aside our emotions and do our job". It just felt like such a dark, harrowing moment. A ton of the people on the ship just died in an instant, and the rest of the crew simply don't have time to even take a breath, their number one priority is to fix the situation and try to make sure nothing worse happens, and THEN they can process the loss. It's brutal and cruel and goes against our human instincts, but it's simply what must be done as the most qualified officers with an immense amount of responsibility, needing to handle dire situations the best that they can. Getting to be the frontiers of outer space is fantastical and exhilitering, but that moment shows the brutal reality of such a dangerous role. It's grim but powerful. And just seeing that dumb lady lose her shit at picard felt so insulting. These people are not qualified to do these seriuos fucking missions, she's acting like a stupid teenager who thinks the world revolves around them. What right does she think she has being in a role so goddam serious that demands professionalism? These people are dumb and annoying and the last thing they should be the ones handling such a serious situation.
There's many moments like that in Voyager especially, there's a part where more than half the ship is dead or dying and everything is going to hell, many of the crew, even captain janeway has horrible injuries, the tactical officer is blind, but still they work like before, and don't waste any time grieving or moaning.
The lack of professionalism in NuTrek is one of the most annoying things about it, especially on the ships. Everyone has to disagree with their orders or make some snarky comment all the time. It's maddening because the other people on the ship are counting on them to do their jobs and do it as quickly and efficiently as possible. Amusingly Lower Decks, which a freaking comedy, gets that right way more often than Discovery, Picard or Strange New Worlds does.
I know “new trek” is technically canon but to me I relegate everything Kurtzman has done to a separate pocket quantum universe (or quantum universes since it’s not consistent with itself!). TNG episode “Parallels” allows for this interpretation.
It is not canon. Everything since the 2009 movie has been produced under a separate license agreement. Although NewTrek can hire the old actors and make reference to familiar events from RealTrek, it is all contained in its own universe, under its own IP license. Nothing that happens in NewTrek changes anything in Star Trek 1966-2005.
Wil Wheaton in all these clips is not only cringe, it’s putting him back where he originally was: the studio mandated type whose suppose to be relatable but just comes off as annoying now.
He wasn't horrible when he hosted TableTop. He played board games with friends and family and it was actually kinda chill. I'm pretty sure he was tolerable because there weren't any big Star Trek things going on or, at very least, none that he was directly connected to. I feel like ever since a new show tangentially connected to TNG came out he put on the old monkey suit and has been whoring himself out at every given opportunity. He's become a cringey, washed-up carnival barker outside an attraction that should have been retired in the late 90s. Oh, and here's the obligatory "Shut up, Wesley!"
Honestly, I really wish that the Borg Queen had never been a thing. What made the Borg such good antagonists initially was that they were faceless, unreasoning, and implacable. Sure, Hugh and his group were an exception, but only because they were severed from the Collective. Every Borg that belonged to the collective however, was equal, both important and unimportant to the whole unit at the same time. All members of the collective contribute to a grand consensus, yet none of them matter on their own. There was no identity or sense of self to any of them, just "we are Borg". When they introduced a 'leader' Borg, to me they lost all of their threat, and become generic space uberpower #12. Just like all the other species with crazy tech that have been encountered before. Now they have someone you can talk to, interact with, understand, and read emotions in. They're no longer a faceless, unrelenting force of annihilation, they're just another set of tyrants like the Romulans or Cardassians. It just felt like a writer one day said "Hey, the Borg are a swarm, like bees and ants. Those have queens, the Borg should too!" and didn't think about what that meant for their entire characterization as a culture. It also kind of cheapens Hugh and friends' escape when you see that the Borg are ruled by an individual. You realize that individuality among the Borg isn't new or special, it was always a possibility.
She is the collective, she just gives it a voice when necessary. Was it perfect, no. Could have been handled better, yeah. but it is not all bad. My guess as to why they did it was to personalize Picard’s struggle in First Contact.
Yes the Borg as a force of nature; uncompromising and unrelenting. The Queen undermined that completely and just made them like every other civilization. An obstacle to be plowed through, rather than avoided or maneuvered around.
I really enjoyed First Contact... but yes. The Borg were at their most effective from a writing perspective in their earlier appearances. The "sleep mode" solution at the end of Best of Both Worlds was a bit lame, but otherwise the old chalky-white, totally unknowable nature of the Borg was more interesting by far. Then along came First Contact, giving them a villainous voice, and turning them fully into space zombies.
The queen could have been written as an adaptation to what Data did. Once one Borg could be reprogrammed they all could. So creating a Queen could overcome that. But they gave her too much hubris. She shows anger when Picard rejects her in FC, acting like a spurned lover, getting revenge on him by hooking up with Data. She’s even worse in Voyager, completely non threatening and showing some sort of twisted fascination with Seven even though she’s not the first Borg to leave the collective, and was only a random drone to begin with. She’s always outplayed by some pathogen or other literal techie plot armour. At least the makeup in Picard is somewhat unsettling with the black contact lenses.
"We can stop whenever you want" -Rich Evans No. No you can't. Watching you guys suffer through this is the only joy I get in this world right now. So I'm sorry to say it, but you both have to suffer for my amusement. Make it so!
I enjoy these videos but to be honest I really wouldn’t begrudge them nipping it in the bud now. You could see when they were talking about possibly not watching anymore that they were very serious and not just making fun of the show. There was definitely a tone of ‘please say it’s over’ in Rich Evans voice when he said we can stop whenever you want. I gave up before episode 1 of season 2 was even finished. The standard of writing is just so very poor.
i was in my country's capitol, Stockholm a couple of weeks back and the central station was absolutely jam-packed with posters, tv screens, 3d projections etc of Picard. and not like in one spot, but in the WHOLE central station which is pretty large. from roofs to walls to pillars. like literally everywhere. it was insane.
Q from the previous Star Trek, even when serious, reminded me of a Game Master type of persona. A person that see the entire board and hams it up while trying their best to be sinister and ominous. Never taking it serious but playing the role so everyone has a memorable time.
See, Alex Kurtzman is a subtle minded genius playing 4D chess with our minds. His plan all along was to create the worst tv show ever, thus boosting the Comedic Review Industrial Complex, of which he is the majority share holder. We're through the looking glass, people. And you can clearly see up there on the grassy knoll, in police uniform, Alex's Kurtzman, smoking rifle in hand. Or, he's just a knuckle-brained hack. Either or.
@@shelbyvillerules9962 those scenes annoyed me simply because class system was supposed to be eradicated, no poverty,no hunger allgonw according to Troi in TNG etc but she's living in a trailer and complaining about Picard's family home!, and why does she keep calling Picard "JL" really annoying.
One of the greatest paradoxes I've seen with especially this season with this series, is that these people in the Federation seem to have forgotten that at least on Earth, all of the major problems plaguing humanity have already been dealt with. There would be records of how each societal problem they're encountering was eventually overcome, and as Starfleet officers and members, they would have been taught at least some of this information as part of their curriculum. This was brought up many times in TNG, when characters discuss issues involving other worlds that their people have already solved. So, why is it when these people travel back in these alternate timelines, they just have no clue how to rectify issues aside from using brute force? Oh yeah, I forgot, when something bad happens, just blame Picard's incompetence like Raffi.
It's like you or I going back to Medieval times in Europe and slagging off everyone. That world *is* very different from ours in a lot of negative ways, but being an asshole about it doesn't help anyone.
Star Trek used to be about humanity reaching their potential. New Trek is about awful people who happen to have advanced tech. It's pretty much the opposite of what Star Trek used to be all about.
I would have thought the message should be "If we work together and we can be super advanced. If we fight we destroy ourselves." I guess Earth can ignore global warming and become evil fascists and still somehow get cool spaceships. Seems like a bad message.
This is what happens when vapid millennials with educations sopping with Marxist and post modernist ideas decide to "create". It's all deconstructionist, cynical, critical, and tries to push their real life political issues in the media in any way they can. Art and culture in the west is on its death bed by and large. Our civilizations soul is ossified and corrupted.
Prediction: The Borg Queen is an innocent woman who wanted the Borg to live free and happy, but the evil white male Borg King took over and ruined everything. The Borg King is a clone of Picard that got stuck in the past of an alternate timeline where Locutus was never liberated. Essentially, everything is Picard's fault even when it's not.
@@Bananahammock681 The Borg King will be Doctor Noonian ("Often Wrong") Soong. It turns out when Lore had all those Borgs working for him, he was using Borg nanoprobes to resurrect his old creator, so he could torment him and keep calling him "Often Wrong", for fun. You see, Lore needs someone to wind up and annoy, and bully, and he misses the old bumbling idiot. As a newly resurrected borg, Noonian Soong was able to harness the TRUE Borg Power and become their king, which he did after Lore had been deactivated and his ship was destroyed. Soong has since rescued and reactivated Lore, who is also part of the Borg now. They're currently working together to save Data by travelling back to 19th Century Earth, to retrieve his head from that cave in San Francisco. Lore has to take these pills to keep him calm and sedated so all is well on the family front. Unfortuantely old "Often Wrong" gets the time/space coordinates wrong (who could've seen that coming!) and their mega cube arrives in 2024. Lore is super angry to see Picard and threatens to tractor beam the sun into the Earth, unless Picard surrenders. Lore makes a joke about global warming because he's bad. Picard thinks he's out and contemplates surrendering, but then his hero Michael Burnham visits him in a vision and tells him to press on. Picard knows what he has to do. He installs a virus on the Borg Queen made by Jurati called "Kill_all_Borg_they_suck_lol.exe" and they beam the Queen onto the mega cube. The virus makes the cube fly directly into the sun and they all die. Picard makes a [good] one liner about a global warming 'coming soong to a cube near you' to Lore as they all die in the flames of the sun. Everyone laughs. Picard coughs because he's old and laughing actually hurts him. Jurati tells Picard she has figured out how to do a time travel and they go home. Q appears and says he is impressed and gives everyone a cigar. Raffi aggressively walks up to Q and strikes him with her fist. "That's for Elnor" she shouts. "You murdered Elnor!" Q turns Raffi into a dog and leaves. Everyone is actually okay with this.
Any Trekkie that has been following Avery Brooks' relationship with Star Trek over the past couple of decades knows that he has completely checked out of the Star Trek universe. He even refused to be interviewed for the "What We Left Behind" documentary from a few years ago. The last substantial Trek thing he participated in was in William Shatner's "The Captains" documentary from 2011 where all he did was sing cryptic responses to Shatner's questions while playing the piano. The "I don't give a shit about Star Trek anymore" attitude comes across loud and clear and is actually pretty hilarious. I love Avery Brooks. The chance that Brooks makes an appearance in Star Trek: Picard is barely above zero. Barely.
Brooks will not be allowed back into the franchise because he said he woke up every morning, looked in the mirror, and said "I get to play a captain"--not "I get to play a black man."
@@YouWillBeHappyOrElse That's a shame as whilst watching D.S 9 I never went "That's a cool black guy being a Captain" I just thought that Sisko was a cool Captan.
Quote from Avery Brooks regarding DS9: " I will always have fond memories, especially in terms of it giving me a worldwide forum and letting the world see black and brown people doing all types of things without their color being the critical aspect of what or who they are." The last part is the crucial one here, which contradicts modern day narratives about what makes people unique and special.
Every interview snippet they cut in is so cringe... Wil Wheaton's smile slowly being drained from his face as Patrick Stewart struggles to find the words on how not-so-excited he is about the new season killed me.
Before season 1 its established Elnor knew Picard since he was a child and was so connected to him that he signs a bloodoath to protect Picard. Meanwhile Raffi is introduced to Elnor in season 1. In season 2 Raffi scolds Picard for not appreciating and grieving HER friend Elnor enough. Even the writers arent watching Picard lol
Crazy that in a series with boundless possibilities and the ability to travel virtually anywhere in a futuristic space setting the writers instead bring us back to current times to say "hey that's bad" a bunch. That's why we watch Star Trek, right?
they did that in the past series too, but it was a few episodes here and there and most definitely had something more to say than just "bad thing bad" like you can joke around that it was the production crew using the next set over for an episode but they all had something interesting going on
@SmashStomp Inc Every show and movie is like this now. Stupid people eat this propaganda up and don't even realize they're being brainwashed. Amazing that everyone suddenly believes what media told them they should believe, it's almost as though there's a clear agenda.
@@SeanobLulz it's weird though... what fucking person doesn't know that pollution and wildfires are bad?! Like, those are possibly two of the oldest fears of a society: natural disaster and filth that poisons living spaces and yet movies and shows act like they're profound for demonstrating that. No more revolutionary is the idea that greed is bad and still people make villains out of them all the time. The great irony is the environmental impact film and television has caused because producers wanted to save a buck or create art. Forests cut down, airline fuel to ferry stars around, high intensity studio lighting, editing equipment, vehicles like boats or cars, helicopters and cranes for overhead shots, pyrotechnics that tear apart landscapes... Hollywood is a destructive force, and the greediest figures are rhe producers who greenlight scripts about the ills of avarice. I will never understand the people who watch something like Picard, and think it isn't hypocritical in concept AND behind the scenes. The reason it's even called star trek is because it's a recognized name brand. It's a corporate decision forcing a plot onto an unrelated concept, treating it like property and not art.... if this was standalone and called "time war Jean" or something like that, nobody would even be talking about it save for "look at where Patrik Stewart ended up" and it would be canceled after season 1.
I honestly just really love listening to people talk about their passions. I don't watch much media at all. Don't "get" movies or TV. But holy cow do I love listening to people talk about them.
I feel for Mike. It's like talking about a family member that is caught up in drug addiction. He (like me) loves star trek, and laments it's self destruction.
Kathleen “Klutz” Kennedy and “Jar Jar” Abrams did the impossible: *united both* _Star Wars_ and _Star Trek_ fans lamenting over how their series have been completely gutted by clueless corporations milking the franchises.
I... really DON'T love Star Trek, I never liked it though I did see me some TNG. I'm your Stargate, Farscape etc person. But just listening to their pain makes me commiserate. I wish these damn producers would understand they CAN'T change Star Trek into something people like ME will like. We'll never watch it, because it's Star Trek. They should just give Star Trek back to Star Trek fans and understand that not everything is for everybody. If you try and make something for everyone, it's going to be for NO one.
Super serious all the time Q feels so wrong since he’s omnipotent. Without the wit, glee, and randomness, he just comes across as an asshole sadist god instead of a mysterious trickster presence that legitimately wants humanity to succeed, if only to entertain him
I think there's an episode of Voyager where Q shows Janeway the Continuum as an old petrol station in the middle of the desert (obviously altering her perception of what she's actually seeing so her mind can comprehend it). There's Q's just sitting outside on deckchairs, completely unresponsive, because they've seen and done everything imaginable and existence (within the rules) simply doesn't interest them anymore. I think it explains our Q's fascination with humanity quite well - he acts superior and condescending, but the Federation is probably one of the few things stopping him from just sitting back and staring into the void for eternity. So he bends the rules sometimes and gets in trouble with upper management to keep his interest going and has as much fun as possible before he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar. From what I've seen of him in Picard, he seems to be all work and no play, not even getting any enjoyment out of his pestering, but still refusing to just cut to the chase and finger clicking everyone directly to the problem to figure it out themselves. I certainly don't see him handling any kind of sickness with such an attitude - he's never handled the possibility of his own mortality with any kind of grace in the past whenever his immortality has been taken away...
@@optiodecimus2690 I loved when Q brought Janeway back again to see the war in the continuum play out as a civil American war, try to woo her and ultimately touch fingers with another ''Q'' to make her pregnant. or Voyager: Deathwish, where they hold court to decide if a fellow ''Q'' has the rite to commit suicide and as the case progresses Quinn brings in a bunch of characters including Riker and explains how he saved his ancestor, wins the case, becomes mortal only to die from Hemlock which no one could figure out how they got. Q may have argued to keep Quinn alive but accepted his choice and gave him the poison. That is the Q I miss :P
Well and if you have a god like alien who can do literally anything, you have to approach that carefully. Q gets boring really quick as an omnipotent being without the fun.
..additionally, the wit, gleefulness and randomness of Q actually help explain why DOESN'T he use his omnipotence to just have his way right away, but instead chooses to create situations he does create in the old ST. Having him a straight up villain instantly raises the question "why doesn't he just turn everyone into irish setters and be done with it". Or something down those lines anyway.
When I told my dad, who is mostly a TOS fan but knows bits and pieces of the other Trek stuff, about the Confederation, he burst out cackling in disbelief.
As much as I love them hammering the "ALLEGORY" point and I loved each time it snuck up on the screen, let's not forget there was an entire Star Trek movie that Gallagher smashed us in the face with saving whales.
still.. that seems mild comparatively lol. They are basically demonizing their political opposition and all that think differently at this point lol...
I hate NuTrek as much as the next guy, but TOS had their allegorical episodes too. Like that one episode where the Federation and Klingons were selling weapons to that one planet and McCoy was complaining about it being no different than Earth's "Brush Wars". Y'know, kinda like what the US gov't and the USSR were doing by having other countries fight their proxy wars. I guess the difference is: 1) the allegorical episodes were at best fun and at worst easily ignorable. "A Private Litttle War" doesn't top many top TOS episodes lists, so if Picard or Discovery had stuck with an episodic format like Trek always been, then THEIR allegotical episodes would've been tossed into the same bin with A Private Little War. But when an ENTIRE SEASON is allegorical... beh. And 2) the allegorical episodes even back then were treated very lightly. I doubt TOS writers wanted to ever outright say "fuck Johnson and fuck the Vietnam War", so they just called the war "the Brush Wars" and left it so that anyone who was anti-war understood it and anyone who was pro-war could at least ignore it. The only time TOS was ever overt was when it was expousing hyper-American values like with the Yangs vs the Kohms fighting over the American Constitution in "The Omega Glory", and lol that episode aged like milk. $50 says modern Trek will age just as poorly for being as overt as it is, and I'm gonna wait patiently until it does. I'm playing the long game.
Good fucking *lord*, the scene where Seven of Nine deadass says "Environment feels bad. They must be on their way to awful, awful fascist future, because they never CARED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE" is so ABSURDLY obtuse. Captain Planet levels of steamrolling the message complex enough to be taught in kindergarten. The sheer level of writer condescension to the audience is baffling. And the whole goddamn series talks down to the audience like that.
Good god. Closeup of Wil Wheaton's face, dying inside as he speaks to Patrick, is so brilliant it should be a meme. You can almost see his conscience screaming "you sell out, you know this show is terrible" as the shot zooms in.
Imagine how these Kurtzman would execute a Borg invasion! Mutilation porn... rectal assimilation probes! Honestly a Tom Hardy in Guantanamo Bay scenario in season 3 wouldn't surprise me.
"Seek the watcher!" sounds like a quest from a B-level MMO, the kind that is constantly pushing you to buy extra inventory space for all the widgets it showers you in.
It's going to be another half-assed "I'm the Watcher and know things because the script says so". It's not going to be anything logical or that makes sense in context. It's their modus operandi, dangle a carrot in front of the plot until another one takes its place, and in the meanwhile nobody does anything that a real person would do in a situation like that. I'm sorry for being so cynical but at this point I do not believe the writing team is able to produce a coherent narrative.
It's almost fascinating how many direct references and cameos from the classic shows they manage to fit into this show without ever actually capturing the spirit of what made star trek great. Everything is so rushed, so dark... Star trek is supposed to represent what humans can be when we overcome many of the issues we have today, an optimistic vision of the future.
Skinsuit effect It superficially has things you should enjoy on it, in a franchise you love, but clearly something is wrong. It’s being puppeteered by a soulless ghoul that’s trying to trick you. Sometimes dead is better.
Treating ICE like the bad guys because they won’t let random non-citizens walk around is strange to me. If someone beamed onto the Enterprise and wouldn’t identify themselves I don’t think escorting them to a cabin would be out of the ordinary.
Okay so for episode 4, the writers claim that Guinan doesn’t remember Picard because he comes from the alternate Confederation future where the Enterprise D never went on the Times Arrow adventure. But that’s not true, the change in the timeline hasn’t happened yet in 2024, so Guinan should remember Picard. Picard himself should also remember meeting Guinan in the 1800s, but never mentions it. He acts like they shouldn’t have met yet. On top of that, the punk on the bus clearly remembered being nerve-pinched by Spock in the 80s based on his reaction. How could Spock have been in the 80s to do that then if this is some alternate timeline with the Confederacy already? No, this what we call bad writers. (Picard facepalm)
When my friend asked me, after we’d finished watching All Good Things at the end of our second or third rewatch, what I would hope the future had in store for Jean Luc Picard, I had to think. I leaned back in my chair and took a puff from my pipe, contemplating the question. After literally seconds mulling the question over and over ad nauseam, I had an epiphany; to truly challenge the character of this cool-headed, calm and collected yet stern officer with a commanding presence, he just needs to be belittled and yelled at by a bunch of angry old women all the time. Also time travel, incompetent Romulan plots, and ridiculous mischaracterization with black and white morality so the viewer isn’t challenged by having to understand a different side of an issue to my own. As the stunned look - clearly brought about by my pure storytelling genius - washed over my friend’s face, I made a mental note that surely I completely understood the character and had created a brave new direction for his life. I smiled to myself as my friend threw his emptied beverage bottle at my head in a congratulatory manner.
Wait, why do Ferengi skulls have bones in their ear lobes? They're supposed to be mailable, you know, like ears. Does that mean Rom is constantly shattering his ear bones from non stop Oo-Mox?
Addicted. Love your background thoughts about the Real philosophy behind ST! Pleeeease continue shorts reviews about Picard episodes. Need that rage behind it ;-)
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There’s nothing I love more than watching two old men discuss a Star Trek show I’m never gonna watch.
It's actually fairly okay. Not great. Not amazing, but, so far, watchable
RLM fills in the void left by my grandfather passing away
You will be an "old man" sooner than you know Monica.
Their insanity gives me life
That’s rude, rich evans is more of an old boy than a man
I liked how Raffi explained the emotions she was feeling, it made it easier for me to follow as a stupid person
Good point.
me two
We may have been duped to watch it, but I'd bet good money the writers out-stupid us, or else we'd not have been discussing everything that's wrong about it.
tbh this is arguably Deanna Troi's role in TNG lol
You can't just have your characters announce how they feel! That makes me feel angry!
"Fire poisons the sky, trees gone, water dry"
Someone is sneaking their slam poetry into the script.
This show is effectively "other things I want to write, but I'm putting it here so people have to see it"
@@philbattiste9649 That's just all of media these days.
@@philbattiste9649 That just as easily describes the Halo TV show also on Paramount.
@@JJAB91 Maybe that's just what Paramount is now.
I hate dry water. Whole Foods was trying to sell it for $10 a bottle! 😹
I'd like to congratulate Warhammer 40k for handling its setting and commentary with more nuance than the recent Star Trek.
Oof.. you know things are bad when you are using Grimdank as an example of better writing
40k has better lore than the whole of Trek though, let's be honest
@@veiddimaddur8354 lol wat
@@veiddimaddur8354 I mean, GW stole... errr, 'borrowed" most of their lore from everything that was successful before them. I don't think they get to count their lore as better than anyone's when it's lifted from everyone.
@@veiddimaddur8354 nah
The writers of recent star trek have forgotten that there's a massive difference between saying "humanity is bad" and "humanity can be better". It was the latter, not the former that made star trek what it was
Not forget, they never even cared in the first place. Most of them are just stoked to be working in Hollyweird
A double dumbass on them!
Plus the whole 'What happens if the Federation was pushed into morally compromising Catch-22 situations?' question was asked very, very effectively throughout the seasons long Dominion War arc of DS9.
This is what i hate about new ST, themes over substance, federation wouldn be xenophobic if they havent got need to politics it
Well said
Spot on with the "They heard the feedback that we didn't want a dark Federation... So they moved us to another timeline to have a dark cynical story. Because that's all they know how to do".
Same trick they did in Disco S1.
Then they decided to try and go with the straight-up corrupt Federation and evil Section 31 Starfleet in Disco S2 - because Section 31 is the show they've wanted to make all along
I hate that it seems like a super advanced space fascist future. Wouldn't it make more sense that humanity completely destroys itself? If they ignore global warming and make a fascist, racist, evil dictatorship but still get spaceships, teleporters, and replicators, it seems like things basically work out either way. World peace, world war, doesn't matter.
The idea should be that humanity can be more advanced if we work together, not just a different color pallet.
I guess star trek has always had this issue. (Insert joke about Klingon nerds making the technology here.) Still seems like especially bad writing.
A Confederation. How evil
@@smartalec2001 this isn’t a trick anymore it’s a they don’t know how to make sci fi unless everyone is horrible
When I heard they were going to a dark timeline, my first thought was, this is ultimately what the writers and producers want to produce. '
My second was, ' why don't they write Earth's WW3 that occurred before Cochranes warp flight? ' They would love that time period. Its the one time when everything was hopeless and everyone wanted to fight each other. The time before enlightenment when the human race nearly destroyed itself. I'm surprised they haven' t gone for this.
Modern Star Trek TELLS us "(X) is bad!" and then moves on to action and shooting, while old Star Trek ASKS us "Is (X) good?" and then has a discussion about it.
Excellent analysis.
That sums it up perfectly
It's because these modern writers have zero writing talent. These are bad fanfiction writers from 20 years ago making a TV show.
It's an allegory for the difference in the world it's in, and how those writers were brought up in the schools they attended.
Old schooling taught you to think for yourself, and so did Star Trek of old.
Modern schooling teaches you to listen and obey, and parrot this narrative, and so does the modern Trek of today. All media, in fact.
If the people making Star Drek want to lament the rise of fascism in the world, they only need to look back at themselves and accept that they are helping engender the "my way or the gulag" mentality they claim to abhor.
Trek has always been didactic though, look at Past Tense in DS9. It's just that DS9 is better...
I love how Alex Kurtzman says sci-fi needs to reflect our time, but then can't think of a way to discuss current issues without leaving the future and setting it in current times.
Why would Sci-Fi need to reflect our time? The whole point of it should be showing a different time. If only someone talented had made a long running Sci-Fi series that looked into an optimistic future of humanity.
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@@SPARTANTROOPERBecause Star Trek, while set in the future, has typically dealt with issues that are reflective of our time. It almost always has presented an optimistic future but used other races to insert problems that our society has faced and/or are dealing with.
Like OP said, either Kurtzman was to dumb to figure out how to emulate decades of other Trek shows that have done it successfully. Or, he and the writers didn't think that "new Trek" fans would be smart enough to understand allegory and needed everything blatantly spelled out for them. Honestly, it's probably a mixture of both.
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@@dr4d1sI think people forget that sci fi is an extrapolation of what we have now, it’s why you can go back through years of sci fi and see what they were thinking about the future, I think TOS tried to take American optimism about the whole technological golden age they were stumbling into, as well as 60s social activism. All of that kind of combined into the sci fi show we love, I do wish kurtzman knew this stuff and was able to expand on it, but I guess they discarded most of the energy from the early stuff by the TNG movies.
Watching Will Wheaton's f*cking smile deflate while Patrick Stewart waffles about covid
Literally made my day xD
Wheaton is human excrement
@@charlottecorday8494 He’s the worst character, too. Even on a ship packed with goody two-shoes, Weslie still stands out as “most punchable”
Shut up Wesley!
HAHAHA Me too.
I rewound it like five times, there are currently tears in my eyes
In David Mamet's Masterclass, he talks about how you have to dramatize something you're conflicted about yourself. If you're convinced that you have all the right answers, and your audience just needs to be preached at, it makes for terrible drama, because the audience is smarter than you and can see where you're going before you get there. I feel like Alex Kurtzman has made this point even more effectively than Mamet could.
Robert McKees Story is a book I got early in my pursuit of writing(I placed in one script competition then got overwhelmed by life). In it he discusses didactism, a sin I have yet to see a modern show avoid. He says that bad writers like Kurtzmann think “fiction can be used like a scalpel to cut out the cancers of society”. But end up boring everyone because people don’t watch Star Trek to be preached at, they want to watch a fun sci-fi show.
@@samuelchristie570 I liked TNG because of the bizarre concepts, new trek going on about surface level, shallow current year american politics is just not interesting, I complain about that shit irl, i'd rather see something more interesting and actually thought provoking.
There's far too many writers who think they're smarter than the audience and need to be TOLD what to think, the key to good storytelling is to explore a concept or theme neutrally and see where it takes you, clearly these fools are arrogant beyond belief.. yet keep getting jobs due to nepotism and connections
I think there's certainly room for those sci-fi stories that are analogous to current issues, but it needs to be a story first, which is why I think that gay episode with jadzia is fantastic.
@@nonono9194 I'll take bluntness over "subversion of expectation" crap that people like to use to swerve plots like a drunk driver on ice.
Mike's bit with Picard talking about Geradi turning into the Borg Queen is hilarious. That and the Wil Wheaton slowing dying inside closeups makes this re:view a classic.
Yes. I kinda wish they would just embrace the comedy of the situation.
Holy shit I was crying at that part and had to rewind it. It's so ridiculous but I could picture a more dramatically written scene like that ACTUALLY happening is the part that makes it more hilarious. The show is so stupid and he nails the old Pstew performance perfectly too. When Raffi calls him a prick I die again
31:27 One of Will Wheaton's dying inside moments.
Mike hit 00 and won on this concept
Yes! That impression was spot on!
In a recent episode, Picard returns to the "10 Forward" location. He looks at the "10" on the building, he looks at the "Forward" street sign. He ponders for a moment next to a jeep with the license plate "S02E01". This is how the audience knows he is at the 10 Forward location from Season 2 Episode 1 of Star Trek: Picard.
It was such a "derp" solution..
the bar she made AFTER she was on the enterprise now exists 300 years previous?
Talk about lazy writing.. and why couldnt it be the same Guinnen? I mean she looked like Whoopi when she derped about with Mark Twain and met Picard and Data in the 1800's.. why is it she has forgotten who she is, and aged 40 years younger in the span of 100 years?
I thought you were joking, but nope, there it is; an in-universe callback to the episode number since the average viewer apparently can't remember three episodes back. I am mortified.
@@MarkOfTzeentch um was this before or after Whoopi became unpersoned?
@@Cybolic it's the writers - after a self-congratulatory wankfest - cramming in "look, reference! We're clever and you're clever too for seeing our reference!". They clearly see the fans as idiots and that's why the writing is fucking awful
What a shit show
The only positive to Picard is that we get to watch Rich Evans and Mike cry over the corpse of their beloved childhood franchise and discuss what made the original content so great.
Again
Their collective misery, is quite entertaining. I do feel for them though.
@@promane557 sorry to hear about your brain damage, hope you get better.
@@promane557 your brain don't work so good don't it
Oh, that's my brain medicine. I take it to help with my hallucinations. It seems to work for the most part, except for one side effect: hallucinations... The main thing I hallucinate is a fat, middle-aged man who loves Star Trek Picard season two.
I don’t even watch any of these Star Trek shows, but for some reason I can’t get enough of seeing Mike and Rich talk about them.
It's just fun to watch two people who loved a series and its characters so much, watch it turn further and further into a pile of trash. It's the same sick schadenfreude behind me introducing my girlfriend to Game of Thrones recently.
@@TheCJRhodes that’s pretty evil I’m not gonna lie. She’ll be raving about it for about 3 seasons
It is fascinating watching two guys angrily age out of Star Trek's 18-34 year old demographic that it's had for sixty years and make fewer complaints than they do in their TNG Rewatches about the writing while acting like these problems are new.
Me neither
Just realized somehow the Q actor sounds like Tom Hanks
His impression of Picard telling everyone "Jeradi has become the Borg queen" while they were too busy with their side missions had me in stitches
I was crying. Everything was perfect. Raffi calling him a prick and confusing him just had me full on joker laughing
I know this is a small point, but why is the fascist, militaristic alternate government a confederacy? A confederacy is a government structure that places very little power or authority on its central government to allow for smaller units within it to act as semi-autonomous states. It's extremely weird that their more controlling, warmongering version of the Federation is one that employs a system that decentralizes power and authority. A feel like there's a good chance the writers don't actually know what a confederacy is.
It sounds enough like Federation that they went with it, I guess.
You're assuming they put any more thought into this than "Confederate flags are bad, so let's call the fascists The Confederacy to stick it to those right-wingers".
I think that is pretty much it. Kurtzman and Co don't know what a confederation is, and it sounds cool to them.
Because its a hamfisted way for the writers to say "Hey, remember the Confederacy in the American Civil War? Weren't they just the worst?"
*in Mike voice* Tell me, do you really think Alex Kurtzman KNOWS what a confederacy is..?
The absolute best description of Q I ever saw was in fanfic, of all things. Q saw himself as the older brother, mocking and berating younger "brother" humanity. But sometimes, when no one else was looking, he'd still help that younger brother out. This is not that Q
Careful, you're close to saying fans understand the media they enjoy better than random writers who don't care about it. We all know that's wrong.
My Little Pony stole all the Fun that John De Lancier had left in his body. Or at least if I were him that's what I would be thinking.
I always saw the Q collective as a parallel of the Fey court. With Picard's Q as Harlequin.
@@lyubit9841 When My Little Pony understands your Star Trek character better than your 'Star Trek writers' you have a serious problem. That or the My Little Pony writers were on point and did good work.
This Q is like if you just came out of 7 years in jail for drug trafficking and you were banging his girlfriend since high school before you got in.
In old startrek the main sin was wasted human potential. You didn't have to be a doctor or physicist to be apart of something. You could be a sandwich maker with no dazzling special skill. As long as you gave it your all and enjoyed what you did with a passion everyone respected you and the path your life lead you on. One of the best characters was the grounds keeper at the academy that talked to the new recruit students and gave them a little bit of support. He was a garbage man.. and everyone loved him because he cared.
That's too hopeful for this show
But fascism and racism and end of the world and explosions IT'S DRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAATIC and CLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVER
NO I WANT IT TO BE CYNICAL AND DARK
Same goes for Sisko's dad, even Jake Sisko. Sisko finds no issue with Jake wanting to be a writer, as long as he gave it his all. And Sisko's father was perfectly content at making Creole Food in Louisiana. It's small world building stuff like that that makes me adore's Star Trek's hopeful view of the future. And NuTrek just takes every opportunity it can to shit on it. If you removed StarFleet and other staples of the world of Star Trek, NuTrek would be INDISTINGUISHABLE from other schlock Sci-Fi.
The current Star Trek writers are absolute hacks.
That sandwich went on to greatly please the Glorbian diplomat who was so delighted with human cuisine he advocated directly to the Three Nippled Emperor to join the federation so that cultural exchange would be unhindered and a great union of souls could occur.
That is old trek.
Nu-Trek would have that sandwich be poisoned and kill a Trump-surrogate thus preventing the genocide of all brown aliens in the universe.
I love how Elnor basically murdered like 50 people with his sword and the academy's like, "come on down."
Yeah the academy that trains officers for the federation that almost broke up over helping romulans. But an excommunicated drunkard and a 97 year old retiree that wit in a huff sponsored a murderous member of the race that put a spy in the head of security in Starfleet; and they just said, “bygones bitches!” Yeaaaaah noooo!
So what? Warf killed people too and he got into the acadamy just fine.
@@BoleDaPole who did he kill before the academy? We don't meet his character until he's on the Enterprise, already an officer. So I'm not sure what you're talking about.
@@mdflorida1233 He accidentally killed another kid when he was a kid by headbutting him.
Sod That ! Why is he a fucking ELF ?
The suspension of belief shattering moment for me was when Seven and Raffi are on the bus, and there's a punk playing loud music on a boombox, and Seven asks him to turn it off and he apologizes and does what she says.
I mean.....come on. Where did he get that antique contraption in 2024?
It's just a callback to Star Trek 4. I'm pretty sure they even got the same actor back to play the punk.
Bad fan pandering "Look! It's Star Trek! See?"
Halfway through reading this I assumed the punchline would be that kind of person blasting music in the first place wouldn't turn it off, much less apologize... I'm getting too cynical, aren't I? 😮💨
"I Absolutely Fucking Hate Myself" is my favorite series on this channel. Hope it continues for a long long long long long long long long time.
It will continue as long as money can be sucked from star treks desiccated corpse
That clip of Wheaton setting Patrick Stewart up for a cheesy positive answer only for Stewart to shut him down was gloriously awkward! Watch that face fall!! In fairness it was a terrible question "on a scale of 1 to a million how excited are you for the new season?" What a shill
Wheaton is a man debased.
Weapons grade cringe ☢
Was hoping for a "shut up wesley" response from stewart
I am beginning to think that Wesley Crusher is not a bad idea but the euhm "actor" portraying Wesley Crusher is just an unpleasant man overall.
did he shoot him down or not really understand the question? It's like when you ask your grandma how's the weather and she says she likes to go shopping on Tuesdays.
I think you hit the nail on the head when pointing out the lack of professionalism within star trek characters now. Between the Raffie emotional outbursts and the constant crying in Discovery (I'm finally done with that show after the latest series), it's a shocking lack of training and professional behaviour within the crews.
OMG it’s embarrassing
Someone else wrote that the problem is Kurtz and co are writing a show for a teen/young adult audience so they have to shove in anti authority, snippity and snazzy, emotional, visceral, relationship filled characters. Look at nurse chapels trailer for snw for example.
But that’s the problem when these are consummate, academy trained astronauts. Even if they’re enlisted they still should have some discipline drilled into them. It’s unbecoming of what Starfleet is- trained personnel. There are some emotions for sure but the characters should try their book smarts and academy training and the book before going to despair and crying and hugging.
Ehh, at least Discovery finally has episodes that feel like TNG again. Those final two episodes of season 4 finally had aliens and concepts that feel like what we could have seen if TNG got proper a revival instead of getting Picard.
“You’re killing it, 2024.” Who the hell talks like that in Star Trek???
Another point - wouldn’t it have made more sense to just send Picard and co. to the Mirror Universe fascist future and then send them to the Mirror universe’s 2024 and the crew decide to alter the future for the better? At least it be more in line Trek lore and there’s something uplifting about trying to fix a fascist world.
All this proves to me is that Nu Trek is clearly in a new timeline. They'll "fix" things in 2024, but all it does is create the Nu Timeline, in the same way the Kelvin Timeline split happened.
That line smacked of a moment in The Force Awakens when Finn says "I'm having a pretty messed up day." Read the source material people.
I still find it hilarious that the people in charge of Star Trek don't actually let Wil Wheaton be in their shows and only let him interview other people.
"We're cringe, but we're not *that* cringe."
@@KIager couldn't have been that bad right??
Was he not cancelled back in 2017 for saying there is only 2 genders?
@@Helm_hammer idk, he's a social media justice warrior (emphasis on MEDIA).
The best part is all the boot licking he does in the hope they'll give him a cameo.
Wil Wheatons "I'm dead from inside" smile kind of tells it all where Star Trek as an idea and series has gone.
That was the face of a man, regretting every decision he ever made in his life, up to this point.
For me it's the creepy 'Oberman eyes' that throw me off...
his face at 31:38 had me rolling on the floor
I'm honestly impressed how hard Wheaton shills in those horrible bonus segments. He's full on deepthroating Paramount's corporate dong with a smile on his face and a twinkle in his eye and then chokes out a "THANK YOU SIR!" afterwards and does a little monkey dance.
@@kcottone It's all he's got.
In the previous series', whenever someone from starfleet encountered cultures that held more "barbaric" ideas.. even (or especially) when they dealt with their own in the past, it was almost always in a manner that was informative, matter of fact, and non-judgemental.
There was an implied sense of understanding that they were dealing with people who haven't gone through, culturally, everything that they have.
Yeah, sometimes they'd deliver lines angrily, because the specific situation was emotionally charged.. But they normally weren't emotionally upset over the state of things themselves.
They knew they were not as far along.
This new star trek, in their attempt to "make it relevant", deliver lines like:
"You're killing it 2024!"
😔
this isn't really true, though. Bashir was constantly bitching about how bad the 21st century was in Past Tense and was getting really upset. That did fit his character, however, as opposed to Sisko who didn't let it get to him.
@@skeetsmcgrew3282 Christians didn't do that. The natives converted willingly because they, like all people, had a natural sense of the divine, but the Christians had a much more solid framework so they joined up.
@@DiggitySlicebeen reading some alternate facts recently?
@@DiggitySlice Explain residential schools then; children being neglected and dying and being assaulted and killed. Forced abortions and rape. Colonial Christians believed they were superior and therfore had a right to do the things they did.
One of the cringiest things are the “interviews” with Wil Wheaton, which is basically him saying “I love your show! I love it soooooo much! So, um…when are you gonna bring back Wesley Crusher? I need money. I said everything I thought you would like. Please?”
In the right hands of a good writer or writers, he'd arrive back from his adventure with The Traveler all powered up. Well we won't get that unfortunately.
LOL, have you checked out his blog? He even wrote a bit of "fan fiction", in which Picard meets up with Wesley again.
@@sieglindedeutersbotter1251 Like My Immortal?
"Wil, baby! Don't worry! We have a fantastic season 4 arc planned for you!"
@@sieglindedeutersbotter1251 Good lord that's... Just, no.
Nothing makes me happier than when Mike uses a TNG/DS9/VOY episode as a reference, but then gets carried away and just starts reviewing that episode.
His little face just lights up.
They were religious but it’s like funny because they were DINOSAURS!
I could listen to him stream of consciousness about VOY for hours
@@rusty_from_earth9577 Rich also gets significantly higher pitched when talking about old Trek. Like a big all helium balloon.
It is lightning up from booze
@@kunstwert That, and the pleasing image of Janeway indiscriminately murdering people.
I hope that their 'favorite episodes of TNG' videos become such a regular feature that eventually, they review every episode. Jay begrudgingly joins them halfway through and realizes he actually does like Star Trek.
"Who is Seven of Nine going to shoot to put out the fires?" That's a perfect question. It captures everything wrong with new Star Trek. When a 24th century person criticizes 21st century people for their terrible choices it carries weight. But new Star Trek doesn't have 24th century characters. It's just a bunch of 21st century characters walking around in the 24th century who would make all the same kinds of choices. One criticizing the other is hollow. The writers aren't interested in imagining what kinds of people are produced by 300 extra years of moral and cultural progress, which is the whole point of Star Trek.
Yep. NewTrek is basically devoid of any progress or evolution to its culture. It devolved back into "shoot to solve problem".
I think that's unfair to the 21 century. People don't go around committing mass murder with small arms and get away with it. Seven of Nine would be locked up in this day and age.
Imagine somebody from like 300 years in the future calling you uncivilized because civilization isn't as advanced as it is in the future. Like no shit you idiots. At least we don't have Ninja Romulans cutting people's heads off.
I dunno, old trek took a whig history approach to civilization that isn't necessarily realistic. I think one of the better parts of the new series is showing how war never changes. A 1st century man is going to be as flawed as a man in the 11th century, 21st century, 24th century and beyond.
@@valeriansamborski5844 I wouldn't either, dunno how you got that from what I said
My favourite thing about current pop culture is the way that EVERY FUCKING SHOW AND MOVIE MAKES THE SAME HEAVY HANDED AND EXTREMELY PANDERING POLITICAL POINTS. Very cool.
The good guys think the exact same way I do! That means I'm right! And a good person! *eats another xanax*
Just appreciating the fact that huge star trek fan Rich Evans has one of the main protagonists of this new show filled away in his mind as "murderer" 34:08
He was asked, “On a scale of one to a million, how excited are you to be back on the set of this show?”
and his answer was basically, “it’s better than a worldwide pandemic.”
And yet, I'm not even sure if it is, lol
1 to a mill is just super cringe besides all that. Like tryhard, super cringe.
That extended closeup on Wheaton's face though... wow. Blink twice if you need help, Wil.
Its like they were forcing him to watch a snuff film everytime stewart talked. You could actually see him dying a bit over the course of a few seconds, as if joy was being pulled out of him by force.
Small note, pandemic already means worldwide.
The idea of a "Dark Federation" is dumb anyway, because, in a certain sense, every society encountered by the Federation (Klingon, Romulan, Borg, Founders etc.) is intended to be a kind of reflection of the Federation, with a few key differences that allow us to explore why the Federation is the way it is.
The Klingons are the Federation, but driven by conquest. The Borg are the Federation, with the absence of individuality and so on.
Is this really such a difficult concept for the writers to understand?
It is. It is that difficult for them to understand. Because, when they began writing, they did not, for one second, ask themselves why the world of Star Trek was the way that it was. They didn't care why Picard was who he was, why the Federation worked how it worked, why they were exploring the cosmos at all.
Not to Mention that the Idea behind the Dominion was the be the Dark Federation, uniting the Gamma Quadrant through intimidation and fear instead using Diplomacy and Civics
The simple answer is yes it was too difficult to understand metaphor.
A wise fools once said "it's like poetry, they its like sorta they rhyme"... I paraphrase, but the idea is true. The ferengi are parallel but not equal to the federation, on basically all levels. Equal but different tech. Regulated customs, but they have differences from there.
Both value primitive cultures. The ferengi see monetary value, the federation sees future generations and possible members. At first glance the ferengi seem mercenary in their approach.. but remember it's against federation regulations to save a species from killing themselves or being stepped on (though this rule is broken occasionally for drama). So we the audience ask: "is the prime directive (read: the state ethos) actually the best way to go? Can it be improved without making things worse? Can it be violated and integrity remain?"
Wow wasn't that fun, but was it as much fun as "I'm you but more evil ahaha"...
Why write when you can pad the film with action. In a world where underpaid graphic artists can do anything, action scenes are effectively padding.
Yes.
But how could I understand the message if the people do not look exactly like me. I mean how am I suppose to relate to aliens??????
Oh my god, I just realized that after listening to Mike and Rich talk about Star Trek for 50* hours… I’m emotionally invested in the characters despite having never watched any of the classic series or movies
Omg seriously, a dark “anti-Federation” again? They literally JUST did it on Discovery. How can writers be so lacking in creativity and imagination that they only have the same 5 ideas that they keep doing over and over again.
There's only so many ways to call Trump a fascist in Star Trek
@@spawnofyakub8390 Trump will likely still be alive and politically outspoken in 2024. Surely we'll be disappointed if he isn't a main character in later episodes, gassing his own people for no reason.
They want to consistently tell you how much they hate the present and that they think everyone is being brainwashed into fascism for not complying with their worldview.
It would've been cool if the writers twisted the edgy federation into a more, morally grey faction, where a situation caused them to apply harsh policies and tactics. But no, we got Stalin 2 boogaloo
Because the writers aren't creative people, they're activists.
W. Wheaton: "Patrick, tells us how excited are you to be back on the set of Star Trek Picard"
P. Stewart: "Wil, I am 90 years old, in constant pain and the only reason I'm doing this is because I'm terrified of death."
That would be the most awesome answer ever put on film
Would it be going too far to see a parallel between Patrick Stewart in this and Bruce Willis' recent film spree? They both seem kind of desperate, albeit for different reasons?
As Wil continues to awkwardly smile like he always does.
Is Will still an actual person at this point? He comes off as an impersonation of an over-exited movie news anchor.
@@Nemcoification No, he's not. He's a puppet made of meat, owned and operated by Hollywood elites like Kurtzman.
Kurtzman's knowledge of Star Trek lore is so deep, when he finished talking with Wheaton (43:55) I fully expected him to say "May the Force be with you."
“Do you even know who I am?”
“Sure, I do. Weren’t you one of the Little Rascals?”
Hello from the future! I just watched Episode 4 and they fucked up 2 key pieces of lore in about 15 minutes. I just about punched my monitor in half.
I would've said that while flashing a Vulcan salute just to see his reaction.
🤣🤣
@@DTM-Books 🤣
I love it when writers kill off a character for no reason other than for another character to make irrational decisions out of grief and complicate the plot.
I really love it when shows do that
You might like Blue Ruin. It's a great deconstruction of the trope and The Punisher / Death Wish films.
@@seanfager8063 That's the one with Macon Blair right? Good show.
Oh, you must love STP. They do that a whole lot in S1.
Fridging characters is everyone’s favorite trope!
The word you're looking for when you describe how they jokingly poke fun at plot elements of the first season that should gave far more serious implications but are being swept under the rug is "lampshading." The act of mentioning something because it would be weird not to mention it, and then putting a lampshade over it and pretending it's not there.
Rich is giving these writers a LOT of credit, assuming they're setting up for the Bell riots. That would require the writers to have seen Star Trek before 2009.
I do have a slight bit of hope. They've heavily mentioned DS9 references so far. It'd be a bit odd to send them to this same time period ( and possibly day ) that sisko and crew went to. Why pick this year exactly to that episode if not setting up for something related.
@@laughablelarry9243 I admit there's some plausibility, it's the right time period and they HAVE mentioned some DS9 stuff. I even admit to thinking the Watcher could be Sisko, what with all the Emissary of the Prophets and what not, but... I just don't have that much faith or good will left, I guess.
Considering 80% of their references are to TNG and First Contact and the Gene Wars and .05% are to the Kelvin Universe, I'ma say they know a little bit about pre-2009 Trek.
It is possible they could have just googled images of "Star Trek timeline", then picked a few different instances that were loosely connected.
@@MrBazBake (Psst, hey. I know. I was being facetious and exaggerating for the sake of shit-talking the narrative direction of a lot of recent Trek projects. Shh don't tell anyone love you)
Wheaton and Kurtzman are the perfect distilled essence of our current landscape of terrible television and movies
Star Trek was great at exploring ideas but now it's just on the nose 2022 propaganda.
I had exactly the same thought when I saw his fake smile.
@@promane557 Come on, you leftists really need to come up with some new material - racism and homophobia is so 2010.
How long are you going to rely on name recognition/nostalgia and finally bring something fresh to the table? - Who are you, Alex Kurtzman?
@@arsenelupin9697 Regardless of you feel about leftists.. It is true that Star Trek has always been progresssive.. it's very much in the spirit of the show.. Obviously new trek is often incredibly clumsy about it, just as it is with everything in it's writing.
And I would certainly like that something like homophobia would be a thing of the past, but you'd be surprised at how many people get upset at seeing gay couples on screen.
The problem with new trek is not that it's "woke" or "leftist propaganda".. star trek was always woke.. It's that it relies entirely on surface level references, name drops and cameos without actually capturing the true spirit of hope and curiosity that made the older shows so appealing.
@@arsenelupin9697 Obvious Troll is Obvious.
Sure Star Trek has always been progressive, that's why People loved it. But it has never been the "Mental Illness needs to be catered to because we say so" of today. It used to be grounded in actual science, what might be possible and more important, the greater good based on merit and individual morality. Star Trek was basically the opposite of the left today.
As a 28 year old man who just started watching Star Trek TNG and is really loving it, it brings me great sadness to see the modern iterations of the show are being destroyed in the same way Doctor Who and Star Wars have been.
The only thing I wish from Nu Trek is that it gets new fans into Trek, who then see the old episodes and then realizes what they're missing with Nu Trek, only to then demand that Nu Trek be better.
I feel like this has happened, because for all the crap that Nu Trek brings, one thing it's been doing right lately (even if it's only a matter of "a broken clock is right twice a day") is that they at least FINALLY know to reference canon properly, instead of doing whatever the fuck they want and ignoring established Trek fact. They at least acknowledge it, and I think a lot of that has to do with Nu fans realizing how disconnected Nu Trek is and complaining... so that's something.
Yeah, it sucks. But classic Star Trek will always be there. Glad you discovered it (ugh, even that word makes me shudder). It's so nice to see new people come into the fandom and enjoying the good stuff.
Neither of those franchises are even remotely comparable to what happened with star trek
At least Star Wars somewhat looks like Star Wars.
@@mitchtavioWith exceptions. Am I the only one who finds the pale, flat lightsaber blades in The Last Jedi really ugly?
The character of Raffi should be studied in “bad writing classes” about what to avoid. She’s the personification of fake conflict. She gets angry at different characters for no reason because the writers needed fake drama for a specific scene.
She gets angry at picard for “fooling around” with Q. Everybody who’s seen the show knows that’s not true. Picard is always the responsible one and overcomes all of Q’s silly games. Raffi’s stupid dialogue has no basis in the history of star trek.
When Elnor died, who should have been the most upset? Picard, since he has known Elnor since he was a child. However, the writers made it so that Picard seemed to hardly care, yet Raffi acted like it was the end of the world. The writers just don't seem to understand how to write the characters well. I think the actress who plays Raffi is a good one (like on Blindspot), but here she overacts because the writers feel like she needs to be the most volatile of the characters.
In the first season Raffi acts like Picard ruined her life when he resigned from Starfleet over the failed Roumlan evacuation. She was his adjunct but him resigning wouldn't have meant she was out of Starfleet too. Apparently his resignation was her resignation too or something? How would that work? Or she was mad that he "gave up" after realizing the evacuation wasn't going to happen? He's a great man but he's just one man. He alone can't make Starfleet and the Federation do anything a majority of people don't want.
In season 3 it was nice to see her be something other than a miserable person who randomly gets mad at people. The actress is charming enough that I kind of actually don't hate Raffi anymore after that.
The Trek writers do understand allegory -- having Picard's consciousness shoved into a robot body to continue shuddering along into perpetuity is exactly what they've done to the soul of Star Trek with this show. Push more recognizable Trek Stuff into this jittering, clunky framework called a series and power it on for another run of episodes. Season 3 could bring back Harry Mudd, Chief O'Brien and maybe the Tholians as they all go to Quark's Bar! Thanks RLM for making this all partly bearable.
Didn't they already bring back Harry Mudd as a pointlessly grim murderer using a time loop to kill the same guy again and again in Discovery
Don't forget Major Grin and nitpicking nerd
But if they bring back Chief O'Brien, they'll need to find a way to explain his aging since Colm Meaney barely looks any older than he did in DS9.
@@Boredman567 except now he's Chef O'Brien, and a Muppets puppet
The rock creatures spock mind melded with and the ugly bags of mostly water rock creatures team up for revenge.
Not gonna lie, the fact that Seven of Nine, unironically one of the greatest Star Trek characters, got sucked into this TNG funeral is probably the most depressing part to me.
Throwing good characters after bad writing.
Bein a fan-favourite doesn't protect you from bankrupcy and / or wanting some sweet, sweet extra cash it seems.
It's not a funeral, it's a public execution with torture.
Protect DS9 characters at all costs
@@Name-se3lf I just finished voyager and am about to start ds9 for the first time, I may just wait to see what becomes of them here before investing the time..... jk, this shit won't be cannon in the Fandom
This is like the third time mike has mentioned the Ocean’s movies in like a month. Someone do a Re:View of the series with the man.
I wish the show had come out just a few years earlier. Sad watching Stewart now. It feels like there are production assistants just outside the frame with cattle prods to keep him from wandering out of the scene. And I say that with love.
More TNG reviews please guys! 🙏🏽
You mean DS9...
Hey it's the ASMR guy!
Yes tng from start to finish!
Review the middle 5 episodes... how average TNG can be!!
You mean ENT
Promoting Star Drek is the best acting Wil Wheaton has ever done.
Pinned comment right here folks.
Shut up Wil!
"Star Dreg", thats a pretty accurate name for the actual show.
Wil Wheaton is 1000x more cringe than Wesley. I would not have thought that possible.
That happens when one lost their soul to Hollywood in the desperate attempt to stay relevant and have a job. The guy should just work in a toll booth.
I love Rich's laugh...and Mike's Picard impression is hilarious
Every Will Wheaton clip RLM uses takes a small chunk of my soul.
Red Alert!
He is _Cringe Immaculate._
The Ferengi skull just triggers me, it’s like seeing those Halloween cat skeletons with ears. It’s essentially a big cooperation is treating us like Lenny sized morons.
Well with ears that big it's possible they need bones to maintain the shape. Have they established before that their ears are made of the same stuff ours is?
@@xipheonj well they always mangle them as if they were like ours.
Perhaps they don't know that ears don't have bones, meaning they're the stupid ones.
Same. I hear certain animals have bones in their penis so maybe it's soft bone?
At the dumbest end of plausible, this is the future, they could've gone so far as to preserve the ear cartilage specifically for the display since it's such an important part to them.
So far I've only watched a little TNG (unfortunately), but from what I've seen, immediately I picked up on the professionalism of the star fleet officers. One of the handful of episodes I've watched was the one where Q just decides to destroy a chunk of the enterprise ship and instantly kills like I think it was a couple dozen or even hundred people. I think it was this intern lady working next to Jordi who just goes "oh my god...all those people....how do you keep working?" and Jordi frankly says something to the effect of "we'll have time to grieve later. right now we need to put aside our emotions and do our job". It just felt like such a dark, harrowing moment. A ton of the people on the ship just died in an instant, and the rest of the crew simply don't have time to even take a breath, their number one priority is to fix the situation and try to make sure nothing worse happens, and THEN they can process the loss. It's brutal and cruel and goes against our human instincts, but it's simply what must be done as the most qualified officers with an immense amount of responsibility, needing to handle dire situations the best that they can. Getting to be the frontiers of outer space is fantastical and exhilitering, but that moment shows the brutal reality of such a dangerous role. It's grim but powerful.
And just seeing that dumb lady lose her shit at picard felt so insulting. These people are not qualified to do these seriuos fucking missions, she's acting like a stupid teenager who thinks the world revolves around them. What right does she think she has being in a role so goddam serious that demands professionalism? These people are dumb and annoying and the last thing they should be the ones handling such a serious situation.
There's many moments like that in Voyager especially, there's a part where more than half the ship is dead or dying and everything is going to hell, many of the crew, even captain janeway has horrible injuries, the tactical officer is blind, but still they work like before, and don't waste any time grieving or moaning.
The lack of professionalism in NuTrek is one of the most annoying things about it, especially on the ships. Everyone has to disagree with their orders or make some snarky comment all the time. It's maddening because the other people on the ship are counting on them to do their jobs and do it as quickly and efficiently as possible. Amusingly Lower Decks, which a freaking comedy, gets that right way more often than Discovery, Picard or Strange New Worlds does.
I know “new trek” is technically canon but to me I relegate everything Kurtzman has done to a separate pocket quantum universe (or quantum universes since it’s not consistent with itself!). TNG episode “Parallels” allows for this interpretation.
q just messing with picar allows for this interpretation haha
It is not canon. Everything since the 2009 movie has been produced under a separate license agreement. Although NewTrek can hire the old actors and make reference to familiar events from RealTrek, it is all contained in its own universe, under its own IP license. Nothing that happens in NewTrek changes anything in Star Trek 1966-2005.
I feel the same about the new Star Wars movies.
Wil Wheaton in all these clips is not only cringe, it’s putting him back where he originally was: the studio mandated type whose suppose to be relatable but just comes off as annoying now.
His character arc is the perfect inverse of Mr McCaulkin's. How depressing.
It's like people only do things so they can get paid. And that's just really sad. *adjusts Reebok outfit*
There's nothing wrong with being paid but damn dude, give yourself a little dignity
Patrick Stewart needs to pull out a "Shut up Westley" in an interview.
He wasn't horrible when he hosted TableTop. He played board games with friends and family and it was actually kinda chill. I'm pretty sure he was tolerable because there weren't any big Star Trek things going on or, at very least, none that he was directly connected to. I feel like ever since a new show tangentially connected to TNG came out he put on the old monkey suit and has been whoring himself out at every given opportunity. He's become a cringey, washed-up carnival barker outside an attraction that should have been retired in the late 90s.
Oh, and here's the obligatory "Shut up, Wesley!"
Honestly, I really wish that the Borg Queen had never been a thing. What made the Borg such good antagonists initially was that they were faceless, unreasoning, and implacable. Sure, Hugh and his group were an exception, but only because they were severed from the Collective. Every Borg that belonged to the collective however, was equal, both important and unimportant to the whole unit at the same time. All members of the collective contribute to a grand consensus, yet none of them matter on their own. There was no identity or sense of self to any of them, just "we are Borg".
When they introduced a 'leader' Borg, to me they lost all of their threat, and become generic space uberpower #12. Just like all the other species with crazy tech that have been encountered before. Now they have someone you can talk to, interact with, understand, and read emotions in. They're no longer a faceless, unrelenting force of annihilation, they're just another set of tyrants like the Romulans or Cardassians.
It just felt like a writer one day said "Hey, the Borg are a swarm, like bees and ants. Those have queens, the Borg should too!" and didn't think about what that meant for their entire characterization as a culture. It also kind of cheapens Hugh and friends' escape when you see that the Borg are ruled by an individual. You realize that individuality among the Borg isn't new or special, it was always a possibility.
She is the collective, she just gives it a voice when necessary. Was it perfect, no. Could have been handled better, yeah. but it is not all bad. My guess as to why they did it was to personalize Picard’s struggle in First Contact.
Yes the Borg as a force of nature; uncompromising and unrelenting. The Queen undermined that completely and just made them like every other civilization. An obstacle to be plowed through, rather than avoided or maneuvered around.
I really enjoyed First Contact... but yes. The Borg were at their most effective from a writing perspective in their earlier appearances. The "sleep mode" solution at the end of Best of Both Worlds was a bit lame, but otherwise the old chalky-white, totally unknowable nature of the Borg was more interesting by far.
Then along came First Contact, giving them a villainous voice, and turning them fully into space zombies.
The queen could have been written as an adaptation to what Data did. Once one Borg could be reprogrammed they all could. So creating a Queen could overcome that. But they gave her too much hubris. She shows anger when Picard rejects her in FC, acting like a spurned lover, getting revenge on him by hooking up with Data. She’s even worse in Voyager, completely non threatening and showing some sort of twisted fascination with Seven even though she’s not the first Borg to leave the collective, and was only a random drone to begin with. She’s always outplayed by some pathogen or other literal techie plot armour. At least the makeup in Picard is somewhat unsettling with the black contact lenses.
100% Agree.
I like watching these and trying to piece together what a Star Trek is
Kurtzmann is to Star Trek, what JJ is to Star Wars. Hmm... What might they have in common?
They are both derivative hacks who succeeded through plagiarism?
"We can stop whenever you want"
-Rich Evans
No. No you can't. Watching you guys suffer through this is the only joy I get in this world right now. So I'm sorry to say it, but you both have to suffer for my amusement. Make it so!
Yep. Please keep watching so we don't have to!
Engage!
I enjoy these videos but to be honest I really wouldn’t begrudge them nipping it in the bud now. You could see when they were talking about possibly not watching anymore that they were very serious and not just making fun of the show. There was definitely a tone of ‘please say it’s over’ in Rich Evans voice when he said we can stop whenever you want.
I gave up before episode 1 of season 2 was even finished. The standard of writing is just so very poor.
@@johnnyfreespeech5815 Look, I'm just hoping we reach another moment like the ones from this episode-
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The laser eyes in the thumbnail are one of the best parts of this series lol
i was in my country's capitol, Stockholm a couple of weeks back and the central station was absolutely jam-packed with posters, tv screens, 3d projections etc of Picard. and not like in one spot, but in the WHOLE central station which is pretty large. from roofs to walls to pillars. like literally everywhere. it was insane.
Q from the previous Star Trek, even when serious, reminded me of a Game Master type of persona. A person that see the entire board and hams it up while trying their best to be sinister and ominous. Never taking it serious but playing the role so everyone has a memorable time.
Seeing the torment Star Trek now puts Rich and Mike through gives me immense joy lol
See, Alex Kurtzman is a subtle minded genius playing 4D chess with our minds. His plan all along was to create the worst tv show ever, thus boosting the Comedic Review Industrial Complex, of which he is the majority share holder.
We're through the looking glass, people. And you can clearly see up there on the grassy knoll, in police uniform, Alex's Kurtzman, smoking rifle in hand.
Or, he's just a knuckle-brained hack. Either or.
It makes me sad seeing them suffer.
@@aarondavis8943 Are you saying Alex Kurtzman is actually the Jailor from Wow? ... Sorry I'll show myself out.
@@ZenMisanthrope that show any good?
@@aarondavis8943 great troll, but the truth is, there is a conspiracy afoot.
Remember when Raffi chastised Picard for being a rich elitist in season one, then travels to 2024 and forgets that we have a monetary system?
That's right, she was living in a trailer and complained about being broke 😂🤦♂
@@shelbyvillerules9962 those scenes annoyed me simply because class system was supposed to be eradicated, no poverty,no hunger allgonw according to Troi in TNG etc but she's living in a trailer and complaining about Picard's family home!, and why does she keep calling Picard "JL" really annoying.
One of the greatest paradoxes I've seen with especially this season with this series, is that these people in the Federation seem to have forgotten that at least on Earth, all of the major problems plaguing humanity have already been dealt with. There would be records of how each societal problem they're encountering was eventually overcome, and as Starfleet officers and members, they would have been taught at least some of this information as part of their curriculum. This was brought up many times in TNG, when characters discuss issues involving other worlds that their people have already solved. So, why is it when these people travel back in these alternate timelines, they just have no clue how to rectify issues aside from using brute force?
Oh yeah, I forgot, when something bad happens, just blame Picard's incompetence like Raffi.
It's like you or I going back to Medieval times in Europe and slagging off everyone. That world *is* very different from ours in a lot of negative ways, but being an asshole about it doesn't help anyone.
I like how more and more disheveled they look as they trudge deeper into this _Picard_ series.
Disheveled is the look of a perfect dystopia.
Hearing Mike and Rich go on that little Voyager tangent made me want see them do some series reviews for DS9 and Voyager like they did with TNG
No Dogshit 9 please
@@jpetras16 lol
@President Xi of the CPC
You consistently have the worst takes here, stfu and get out.
First of all, DS9 is amazing. I want them to do commentaries on both DS9 and Voyager.
@@jpetras16 why do you have such a bad opinion? :)
Star Trek used to be about humanity reaching their potential. New Trek is about awful people who happen to have advanced tech. It's pretty much the opposite of what Star Trek used to be all about.
I would have thought the message should be "If we work together and we can be super advanced. If we fight we destroy ourselves."
I guess Earth can ignore global warming and become evil fascists and still somehow get cool spaceships. Seems like a bad message.
My first reaction to seeing this was "They've turned Star Trek into Warhammer 40k without any of the sense of irony..."
Back when people took drugs and came up with original ideas😭😭😭
@@zunuf "Facist Republican bad!" The TV Series.
This is what happens when vapid millennials with educations sopping with Marxist and post modernist ideas decide to "create". It's all deconstructionist, cynical, critical, and tries to push their real life political issues in the media in any way they can. Art and culture in the west is on its death bed by and large. Our civilizations soul is ossified and corrupted.
Prediction: The Borg Queen is an innocent woman who wanted the Borg to live free and happy, but the evil white male Borg King took over and ruined everything. The Borg King is a clone of Picard that got stuck in the past of an alternate timeline where Locutus was never liberated. Essentially, everything is Picard's fault even when it's not.
You give the show too much credit. The Borg King will be Data, and they have to kill him for a 14th time now.
@@Bananahammock681 The Borg King will be Doctor Noonian ("Often Wrong") Soong. It turns out when Lore had all those Borgs working for him, he was using Borg nanoprobes to resurrect his old creator, so he could torment him and keep calling him "Often Wrong", for fun. You see, Lore needs someone to wind up and annoy, and bully, and he misses the old bumbling idiot.
As a newly resurrected borg, Noonian Soong was able to harness the TRUE Borg Power and become their king, which he did after Lore had been deactivated and his ship was destroyed. Soong has since rescued and reactivated Lore, who is also part of the Borg now. They're currently working together to save Data by travelling back to 19th Century Earth, to retrieve his head from that cave in San Francisco. Lore has to take these pills to keep him calm and sedated so all is well on the family front.
Unfortuantely old "Often Wrong" gets the time/space coordinates wrong (who could've seen that coming!) and their mega cube arrives in 2024. Lore is super angry to see Picard and threatens to tractor beam the sun into the Earth, unless Picard surrenders. Lore makes a joke about global warming because he's bad.
Picard thinks he's out and contemplates surrendering, but then his hero Michael Burnham visits him in a vision and tells him to press on. Picard knows what he has to do. He installs a virus on the Borg Queen made by Jurati called "Kill_all_Borg_they_suck_lol.exe" and they beam the Queen onto the mega cube.
The virus makes the cube fly directly into the sun and they all die.
Picard makes a [good] one liner about a global warming 'coming soong to a cube near you' to Lore as they all die in the flames of the sun. Everyone laughs. Picard coughs because he's old and laughing actually hurts him.
Jurati tells Picard she has figured out how to do a time travel and they go home. Q appears and says he is impressed and gives everyone a cigar. Raffi aggressively walks up to Q and strikes him with her fist. "That's for Elnor" she shouts. "You murdered Elnor!"
Q turns Raffi into a dog and leaves. Everyone is actually okay with this.
Sounds plausible
the borg king will be warf but he's wearing geordi's glasses
These guys are going to have an epic meltdown when they review episode 4. Can't wait to see that one.
Episode 4 is unbelievably bad.
Any Trekkie that has been following Avery Brooks' relationship with Star Trek over the past couple of decades knows that he has completely checked out of the Star Trek universe. He even refused to be interviewed for the "What We Left Behind" documentary from a few years ago. The last substantial Trek thing he participated in was in William Shatner's "The Captains" documentary from 2011 where all he did was sing cryptic responses to Shatner's questions while playing the piano. The "I don't give a shit about Star Trek anymore" attitude comes across loud and clear and is actually pretty hilarious. I love Avery Brooks. The chance that Brooks makes an appearance in Star Trek: Picard is barely above zero. Barely.
Brooks will not be allowed back into the franchise because he said he woke up every morning, looked in the mirror, and said "I get to play a captain"--not "I get to play a black man."
@@YouWillBeHappyOrElse could you explain this for non-americans
@@YouWillBeHappyOrElse That's a shame as whilst watching D.S 9 I never went "That's a cool black guy being a Captain" I just thought that Sisko was a cool Captan.
Quote from Avery Brooks regarding DS9: " I will always have fond memories, especially in terms of it giving me a worldwide forum and letting the world see black and brown people doing all types of things without their color being the critical aspect of what or who they are."
The last part is the crucial one here, which contradicts modern day narratives about what makes people unique and special.
@@gofur73 Ah thank you! I wasn't sure in a context of race if this was meant positive or negative. Thanks!
Every interview snippet they cut in is so cringe... Wil Wheaton's smile slowly being drained from his face as Patrick Stewart struggles to find the words on how not-so-excited he is about the new season killed me.
Can you imagine a show made by Kurtzman and Snyder? The levels of edge would literally destroy the universe
It would be a Rube Goldberg masterpiece, well I should say that it 'could be', but Kurtzman would find some way to ultimately cause it to fail.
@@Bob.Roberts …and Snyder wouldn’t?
Kurtzman, Snyder, and Tarantino, lol
@@ryngobrody1627 Tarantino isn't really edgy though? He's also talented
@@jcore0981 Snyder is also more talented than Kurtzman.
Before season 1 its established Elnor knew Picard since he was a child and was so connected to him that he signs a bloodoath to protect Picard. Meanwhile Raffi is introduced to Elnor in season 1.
In season 2 Raffi scolds Picard for not appreciating and grieving HER friend Elnor enough.
Even the writers arent watching Picard lol
Crazy that in a series with boundless possibilities and the ability to travel virtually anywhere in a futuristic space setting the writers instead bring us back to current times to say "hey that's bad" a bunch. That's why we watch Star Trek, right?
Cheaper for them to film stuff in modern day LA.
they did that in the past series too, but it was a few episodes here and there and most definitely had something more to say than just "bad thing bad"
like you can joke around that it was the production crew using the next set over for an episode but they all had something interesting going on
@@jonny5alive123 we filmed the episodes in LA because that's where all the films are made
@SmashStomp Inc Every show and movie is like this now. Stupid people eat this propaganda up and don't even realize they're being brainwashed. Amazing that everyone suddenly believes what media told them they should believe, it's almost as though there's a clear agenda.
@@SeanobLulz it's weird though... what fucking person doesn't know that pollution and wildfires are bad?!
Like, those are possibly two of the oldest fears of a society: natural disaster and filth that poisons living spaces and yet movies and shows act like they're profound for demonstrating that. No more revolutionary is the idea that greed is bad and still people make villains out of them all the time. The great irony is the environmental impact film and television has caused because producers wanted to save a buck or create art. Forests cut down, airline fuel to ferry stars around, high intensity studio lighting, editing equipment, vehicles like boats or cars, helicopters and cranes for overhead shots, pyrotechnics that tear apart landscapes... Hollywood is a destructive force, and the greediest figures are rhe producers who greenlight scripts about the ills of avarice.
I will never understand the people who watch something like Picard, and think it isn't hypocritical in concept AND behind the scenes. The reason it's even called star trek is because it's a recognized name brand. It's a corporate decision forcing a plot onto an unrelated concept, treating it like property and not art.... if this was standalone and called "time war Jean" or something like that, nobody would even be talking about it save for "look at where Patrik Stewart ended up" and it would be canceled after season 1.
Gonna be honest, I'm not really a trekkie but i just love watching Rich and Mike absolutely go off on this series 😄
I honestly just really love listening to people talk about their passions. I don't watch much media at all. Don't "get" movies or TV. But holy cow do I love listening to people talk about them.
I even enjoyed the 3.2 seconds they talked about Ghosts. I just started watching it on HBO Max too.
It never ceases to amaze me this rebooted franchise has any viewers at all.
I love you guys. You're able to express everything I'm feeling about this show.
I feel for Mike. It's like talking about a family member that is caught up in drug addiction. He (like me) loves star trek, and laments it's self destruction.
Kathleen “Klutz” Kennedy and “Jar Jar” Abrams did the impossible: *united both* _Star Wars_ and _Star Trek_ fans lamenting over how their series have been completely gutted by clueless corporations milking the franchises.
I... really DON'T love Star Trek, I never liked it though I did see me some TNG. I'm your Stargate, Farscape etc person. But just listening to their pain makes me commiserate.
I wish these damn producers would understand they CAN'T change Star Trek into something people like ME will like. We'll never watch it, because it's Star Trek. They should just give Star Trek back to Star Trek fans and understand that not everything is for everybody. If you try and make something for everyone, it's going to be for NO one.
@@MichaelPohoreski Franchise killers.
@@Blodhelm Indeed.
Super serious all the time Q feels so wrong since he’s omnipotent. Without the wit, glee, and randomness, he just comes across as an asshole sadist god instead of a mysterious trickster presence that legitimately wants humanity to succeed, if only to entertain him
I think there's an episode of Voyager where Q shows Janeway the Continuum as an old petrol station in the middle of the desert (obviously altering her perception of what she's actually seeing so her mind can comprehend it).
There's Q's just sitting outside on deckchairs, completely unresponsive, because they've seen and done everything imaginable and existence (within the rules) simply doesn't interest them anymore. I think it explains our Q's fascination with humanity quite well - he acts superior and condescending, but the Federation is probably one of the few things stopping him from just sitting back and staring into the void for eternity. So he bends the rules sometimes and gets in trouble with upper management to keep his interest going and has as much fun as possible before he gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
From what I've seen of him in Picard, he seems to be all work and no play, not even getting any enjoyment out of his pestering, but still refusing to just cut to the chase and finger clicking everyone directly to the problem to figure it out themselves.
I certainly don't see him handling any kind of sickness with such an attitude - he's never handled the possibility of his own mortality with any kind of grace in the past whenever his immortality has been taken away...
@@optiodecimus2690 I loved when Q brought Janeway back again to see the war in the continuum play out as a civil American war, try to woo her and ultimately touch fingers with another ''Q'' to make her pregnant.
or
Voyager: Deathwish, where they hold court to decide if a fellow ''Q'' has the rite to commit suicide and as the case progresses Quinn brings in a bunch of characters including Riker and explains how he saved his ancestor, wins the case, becomes mortal only to die from Hemlock which no one could figure out how they got. Q may have argued to keep Quinn alive but accepted his choice and gave him the poison.
That is the Q I miss :P
Wow, they managed to mess up Q... why not, who cares.
Well and if you have a god like alien who can do literally anything, you have to approach that carefully. Q gets boring really quick as an omnipotent being without the fun.
..additionally, the wit, gleefulness and randomness of Q actually help explain why DOESN'T he use his omnipotence to just have his way right away, but instead chooses to create situations he does create in the old ST.
Having him a straight up villain instantly raises the question "why doesn't he just turn everyone into irish setters and be done with it". Or something down those lines anyway.
When I told my dad, who is mostly a TOS fan but knows bits and pieces of the other Trek stuff, about the Confederation, he burst out cackling in disbelief.
As much as I love them hammering the "ALLEGORY" point and I loved each time it snuck up on the screen, let's not forget there was an entire Star Trek movie that Gallagher smashed us in the face with saving whales.
Well at least it was fun. There’s no fun in NuTrek except trying to predict what stupidity will come next.
@@oneinathousand2156 very true.
still.. that seems mild comparatively lol. They are basically demonizing their political opposition and all that think differently at this point lol...
I hate NuTrek as much as the next guy, but TOS had their allegorical episodes too. Like that one episode where the Federation and Klingons were selling weapons to that one planet and McCoy was complaining about it being no different than Earth's "Brush Wars". Y'know, kinda like what the US gov't and the USSR were doing by having other countries fight their proxy wars.
I guess the difference is: 1) the allegorical episodes were at best fun and at worst easily ignorable. "A Private Litttle War" doesn't top many top TOS episodes lists, so if Picard or Discovery had stuck with an episodic format like Trek always been, then THEIR allegotical episodes would've been tossed into the same bin with A Private Little War. But when an ENTIRE SEASON is allegorical... beh. And 2) the allegorical episodes even back then were treated very lightly. I doubt TOS writers wanted to ever outright say "fuck Johnson and fuck the Vietnam War", so they just called the war "the Brush Wars" and left it so that anyone who was anti-war understood it and anyone who was pro-war could at least ignore it. The only time TOS was ever overt was when it was expousing hyper-American values like with the Yangs vs the Kohms fighting over the American Constitution in "The Omega Glory", and lol that episode aged like milk. $50 says modern Trek will age just as poorly for being as overt as it is, and I'm gonna wait patiently until it does. I'm playing the long game.
@@nickfifteen Most Star Trek episodes are allegorical. I think you missed the point.
I just realized we have more new Star Trek coming out than ever and somehow it's the worst time to be a Star Trek fan.
Good fucking *lord*, the scene where Seven of Nine deadass says "Environment feels bad. They must be on their way to awful, awful fascist future, because they never CARED ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE" is so ABSURDLY obtuse. Captain Planet levels of steamrolling the message complex enough to be taught in kindergarten. The sheer level of writer condescension to the audience is baffling. And the whole goddamn series talks down to the audience like that.
It makes the Frank Gorshin episode of TOS with the half black, half white people look subtle.
It would be awesome if 7 of 9 would act like Captain Planet and would shout her own name then doing something like: _SEVEN of NINE, RECICLE!_
Nuance is a word these dogshit writers have zero clue on.
@@LordSavok - They should do a mirror universe episode where the black and white halves are all reversed
What exactly do you think "obtuse" means?
God damn it, I LOVE you guys doing Star Trek episodes... I'll take anything... DS9, Enterprise, STTNG, Lower Decks... shit, even Voyager!
Mike's rendition of "Elderly Picard" is spot on. Please keep it up.
Good god. Closeup of Wil Wheaton's face, dying inside as he speaks to Patrick, is so brilliant it should be a meme. You can almost see his conscience screaming "you sell out, you know this show is terrible" as the shot zooms in.
That awful stick on grin...
@@roberttaylor7423 The definition of a 'shit eating grin' too
He is just as much of a sell out as the rest of them.
Shill Wheaton
@@alastairstedman7840 Very true. What Mike said about this being Schlock Trek is right on the money. 💵💲
All this RLM in the last two weeks has been amazing.
Don’t stop, keep going. I don’t even watch this show. Your commentary saves me for the agony. Thank you 🙏
Imagine how these Kurtzman would execute a Borg invasion! Mutilation porn... rectal assimilation probes! Honestly a Tom Hardy in Guantanamo Bay scenario in season 3 wouldn't surprise me.
"Seek the watcher!" sounds like a quest from a B-level MMO, the kind that is constantly pushing you to buy extra inventory space for all the widgets it showers you in.
I mean, damn, that just jumped out at me as exceedingly lazy writing when I heard the line... like, wow, really?
It's going to be another half-assed "I'm the Watcher and know things because the script says so". It's not going to be anything logical or that makes sense in context. It's their modus operandi, dangle a carrot in front of the plot until another one takes its place, and in the meanwhile nobody does anything that a real person would do in a situation like that. I'm sorry for being so cynical but at this point I do not believe the writing team is able to produce a coherent narrative.
It sounds like a Fringe reference.
I see you have SWTOR PTSD as well…
It's almost fascinating how many direct references and cameos from the classic shows they manage to fit into this show without ever actually capturing the spirit of what made star trek great.
Everything is so rushed, so dark... Star trek is supposed to represent what humans can be when we overcome many of the issues we have today, an optimistic vision of the future.
Skinsuit effect
It superficially has things you should enjoy on it, in a franchise you love, but clearly something is wrong. It’s being puppeteered by a soulless ghoul that’s trying to trick you.
Sometimes dead is better.
Treating ICE like the bad guys because they won’t let random non-citizens walk around is strange to me. If someone beamed onto the Enterprise and wouldn’t identify themselves I don’t think escorting them to a cabin would be out of the ordinary.
It's bad to treat innocent humans badly, actually.
@@HeroicRecaps American Democrats aren't leftists, they're far-right.
@@Peasham It’s also bad to show up places you aren’t allowed to be 🤷🏻♂️
@@Peasham if they're innocent, migrant legally then no need for border agency like ICE in America.
@@Peasham you can’t walk into someone’s house uninvited and expect them to not tell you to leave
Okay so for episode 4, the writers claim that Guinan doesn’t remember Picard because he comes from the alternate Confederation future where the Enterprise D never went on the Times Arrow adventure. But that’s not true, the change in the timeline hasn’t happened yet in 2024, so Guinan should remember Picard. Picard himself should also remember meeting Guinan in the 1800s, but never mentions it. He acts like they shouldn’t have met yet. On top of that, the punk on the bus clearly remembered being nerve-pinched by Spock in the 80s based on his reaction. How could Spock have been in the 80s to do that then if this is some alternate timeline with the Confederacy already? No, this what we call bad writers. (Picard facepalm)
When my friend asked me, after we’d finished watching All Good Things at the end of our second or third rewatch, what I would hope the future had in store for Jean Luc Picard, I had to think. I leaned back in my chair and took a puff from my pipe, contemplating the question. After literally seconds mulling the question over and over ad nauseam, I had an epiphany; to truly challenge the character of this cool-headed, calm and collected yet stern officer with a commanding presence, he just needs to be belittled and yelled at by a bunch of angry old women all the time. Also time travel, incompetent Romulan plots, and ridiculous mischaracterization with black and white morality so the viewer isn’t challenged by having to understand a different side of an issue to my own.
As the stunned look - clearly brought about by my pure storytelling genius - washed over my friend’s face, I made a mental note that surely I completely understood the character and had created a brave new direction for his life. I smiled to myself as my friend threw his emptied beverage bottle at my head in a congratulatory manner.
Mr. Kurtzman nooooo!
👏👏👏
Wait, why do Ferengi skulls have bones in their ear lobes? They're supposed to be mailable, you know, like ears. Does that mean Rom is constantly shattering his ear bones from non stop Oo-Mox?
"Because viewers stupid, not know skull is Ferengi without ear boneses." *Picard writer's room conversation*
@@Corbomite_Meatballs too true
Alternate Picard decided to display the one rare Ferengi who was born without cartilage.
Humans don't. But some animals do have penis bones, I understand. So sex and bones are not really mutually exclusive.
@@paulbabcock2428 That's right humans do not have a bone in their penis. But with one easy monthly payment of $19.99 we can change that.
Addicted. Love your background thoughts about the Real philosophy behind ST! Pleeeease continue shorts reviews about Picard episodes. Need that rage behind it ;-)
I love your Star Trek content! I hope we get more of it!