When I heard them say, "That's the power of math" and "I like science" I thought it was a joke. I didn't realize it was actually a line from the show...
Star Trek Into Darkness Kurtzman wrote the line "The cold fusion reaction will render the volcano inert" which should have triggered an immediate restraining order against future sci-fi work.
No,He's Ferociously masturbating to the recent criterion blu ray of Blue Velvet in the other room. You think he wants to hear two elderly men complain about star trek for an hour? Come on,it would kill the mood!
"This is the power of math." "I just discovered my faith.. in myself." "I like science." *six million battlecruisers fight a spaceship the size of a planet, and a sun explodes in the background* Every single science fiction franchise got the Transformers treatment.
With both "I like science" and "the power of math", I thought "no way that they actually said that word by word like that" and then I was proven wrong immediately
If Jay could sit in on these, silently frowning, but then halfway through start interjecting with parallels in David Lynch films that help explain what's happening in Star Trek
Spock's verbatim dialogue "I like science" in addition to the line "This is the power of math people!", coupled with Spock talking later on about his "FAITH", has just turned me into a serial killer.
You wouldn't want the current crop of Scifi writers handling this; the genre is overrun with identity politics obsessed hipsters. STD is made for their type.
At this point I would settle for any writer that can write a coherent and plausible story and not just some cheap plot device to connect all the cgi action scenes the director is planning.
@@uphilliceskater Seriously? Currently you have people like Reynolds, Baxter, Chiang, Egan, Hamilton, Bear etc.... writing. SF is doing fine. Just ignore what the press is hyping up.
Since Star Trek Discovery is cancer. I hope it gets cancelled. The only thing that would make it watchable would be bare breasts and scenes of women in showers.
this was when social media was covered in “i fucking love science” shit and it was always like the most basic braindead pop science schlock. mike is right, it just makes your skin crawl
I could honestly see Prof. Farnsworth saying "That's the power of math!" as a footnote to them solving an issue and it sounding more charming than any line in ST:D
“Hi, I’m Mike Stoklasa and I also am a recovering Trek fan.” Help group:”Hi Mike.” “I’m so glad you all brought booze, it really helps me sleep afterwards.”
Mike: “Hi, I’m Mike Stoklasa and I also am a recovering Trek fan.” Help group:”Hi Mike.” Mike: "By the way, this reminds me of an episodes of Star Trek The Next Generation where..."
@@drdarkeny As long you stop playing Mass Effect 3 during the final push in London you'd be fi... Oh, you meant the totally original and not at plagiarised Picard end-boss... In that case you... still play Mass Effect, 'cause it's done better XD
@@drdarkeny It is a really decent game, so as long as you avoid the titanically bad ending that soured a lot of people on the whole game, you'd be fine. The story's got enough gravitas to keep you going, the voice acting's good, ditto the sound design. Honestly, the only thing that I actively dislike are a couple of 'bad dream sequences' (which feel hamfisted or worse - a relic of a dropped part of the script), but they're mercifully short and ignorable... Unlike everything after the final push (after saying your goodbyes with the squad) in London - there let your head canon fill in the blanks ;)
in terms of techo-babble, there is a big difference between: "The engines are offline. We need to re-energize the core." and "The cyclo-nano-array has inverted its ionization duplex. We must percolate neutrono matter indexes to incite critical plaxitude on the gerstal emitter."
@@thomaslamptonbickham2939 Voyager is bad in that regard but you can struggle through it if you're a long time Trek fan and can follow through based on previous examples from other shows
@@AlucardsQuest Coming soon lots of other things designed for speculative audiences of people other than those who are fans of it - such as Visionaries & M.A.S.K.
@@AlucardsQuest They have and that Chambon Guy who Wrote some of Picard - who is it's new official Show runner wrote the Visionaries & MASK scripts for the movies in pre-production / development too - which is why I mentioned them.
There is a brilliant screencap somewhere on the internet concerning the difference between something smartly written and something written by dumb people trying to write a smart scene/character. The examples used respectively were No Country For Old Men and the Sherlock Holmes series. In No Country, the antagonist of the story is smart. He checks into a hotel room at the same hotel where the protagonist is staying at, so he can get a layout of the room-- places to hide, possible cover, nooks where certain Macguffins can be stashed, etcetera. He breaks locks with a pneumatic cattle gun. He creates distractions, investigates leads, manipulates people, stalks and hunts... He's a predator on the prowl, and he exhibits clear signs of intellect, however craven. He's also not the only smart character in the movie. The actions these characters take fall in line not only with the movie's internal logic, but also the external logic that a viewer would expect it to abide by (mostly, anyway). In Sherlock Holmes, the antagonist/s would (and do) pull off any and all sorts of off-the-wall chicanery that one might more easily expect of a Marx Brothers skit or Leslie Nielsen flick. Foolish, outlandish Matryoshka doll gambit-upon-gambit escapades to fuel simple criminal wants are easily thwarted by the omniscient titular character, as though he were a magician revealing to the public how a fraud faked a seance. Boom, cut to bad guy being pushed into a squad car and Sherlock flippantly scoffing at the whole thing in disinterest. The alleged genius of any involved are announced through dialogue, regardless of the inanity of the situations or persons presented. The characters only perform actions that move the plot as the plot demands, instead of the story allowing their organic actions to form intrigue and a greater narrative thread. Nothing new has been said, and the puppets are put away till the next show. TL;DR: Smart people will write smartly and it will feel like a natural progression of the characters and story. Dumb people will continue to write smart people as though they were sorcerors twisting reality to their whim, because that's almost exactly how they percieve intelligent people.
It's so true too...what genuinely cerebral entertainment is there out there any more? I guess a few small studios still make good stuff, but sci-fi and fantasy has been almost completely co-opted by the mainstream it seems like.
Normal people would say “Oh that’s just an exaggeration! Don’t be man-babies!” But they say that because they don’t have investment in the thing that’s getting neutered. I remember when the people who took this over used to make fun of nerd culture, now they turn it into shit they will get bored with and still treat us like crap.
Rewatching this I find it eerie how spot on Rich was about Star Trek Picard. His attitude of "I don't believe them." was in fact totally correct in retrospect.
They don't want the classic fans, but the NuTrek fans that jumped aboard since 2009. They also know hate-watching is the only thing that sustains their shows. They've _said_ this. I've never watched any of the NuTrek shows or movies, so don't do it. Abstain and deny them their smug satisfaction. If a sizeable chunk of the classic fans walked out, I'm pretty sure STD and STP would be canceled. We make this possible.
@@saberiandream316 I'm rather dubious of the claim they admitted to seeking "hate watchers." Star Trek is merely a brand that delivers profits with a mass-market appeal, and Paramount is entirely apathetic about the opinions of Trekkers. We're a minority, and it's extremely unlikely that our opinion has any significant impact on the bottom line one way or the other. If we ever get quality Star Trek again, it will be by mere coincidence.
@@schmal911 I disagree a bit. Not that Trekkies are a minority, but that it's unlikely Trekkies' opinions have any impact on the property. I think if Paramount was completely apathetic about whether Trekkies will stay loyal to the brand there wouldn't still be constant fan"service," there's no actual reason to bring these characters back if you're not going to do anything of note with them OR properly kill them off.
@BLAIR M Schirmer For me, the Red Flag was how shoddy and directionsless the CGI was. Lots of blur to hide that some ships weren't modelled in high detail, terrible camera, two different phaser effects within 2 episodes (both bad), no shield effects upon hits. I thought the Battle of the Binary Stars was bad because it was their first space CGI and they had to rush it, but the final battle of the Season 2 was just a trainwreck of awful ideas stitched together . The capital ships were sitting still and not maneuvering at all, not shooting at one another, no classic tactical Star Treky feel and the swarms were awful, AFWUL. I also thought they learned their lessons with Star Trek: Beyond that people hate that kind of crap because it's completely impossible to follow and uninteresting, but apparently no. The final battle was a stinking pile of MESS and indicates that the team behind the CGI of the current and upcoming Star Trek series is FUBAR.
If the new shows weren't so awful, what would we have to laugh over? It's impressive that science fiction was written better in 1960 than it is today, in 2020, when we now have 1/2 the things that were only imagined in 1960.
The TNG writers had the humility to have tech consultants filling the blanks. They would use the word “tech” as a placeholder and the tech consultants would insert the CORRECT jargon.
I was a teenager when the original star trek began. I loved it, but all my peers pooh poohed it. It later became popular in reruns. I've watched every episode of every star trek series. I guess I'm alone on very much liking season 2 of Discovery.. I don't like the "wokeness", but it wove new stories for each episode in with continuing story line across the season. Sets and production quality was excellent. I couldn't wait to see what happened next. Think of a space alien seeing it and original series fir the furst time. No comparison. I'm impressed and can excuse a few inconsistencies of science and character. I'm reminded of the E E Doc Smith "Skylark of Valeron" book series. Lots of technical advances move the plots quickly. But it doesn't get bogged down in long explanations or technicality explained. I like Discovery a lot!
See, now that makes sense. I mean, ok... This is science FICTION. But you still have to have the science make sense to make it believable. Yes, it's set in the 23rd, 24th century (depending on which series you're watching), so you can make up a lot of the sciency stuff to make it work with the story. But even the made up stuff needs to be grounded in reality, or it's just not going to make sense. One thing Star Wars has going for it is that it all takes place in "a galaxy far far away". So you can do whatever you want with it (*cough cough* mediclorians *cough cough*). But with Star Trek it's already been established that it's the Milky Way galaxy (or some version there of, depending on which mirror universe episode of which series you're watching). Warp drive (and/or transwarp drive), slipstream, wormholes, impulse speeds, hell even time travel have a basis within the established setting. Now it's an engine that runs on.... mushrooms? Spore drive... Yeah, someone was running on spores when they came up with this shit. Visually it's kindda cool. It does kind of look like a movie. But I'd be more willing to give it another shot if it wasn't Star Trek. I'd be more willing to give it another shot if it was a non-trek show set in a different galaxy or universe. But for me, having grown up with Trek, having some understanding of the basics of the science used in the fiction of Trek I just find it unwatchable.
I think for me it's just a matter of taste. Galactica Reboot became the norm for Sci-Fi after it it. Everything from how the cinematography is handled (dark, minimalistic, a lot of strange angles and open spaces), to how the writing is done. And me? I was kind of alone in really, really not liking Galactica Reboot. Most people loved it. So it makes sense as the template to try to follow. But it also makes sense that for me, every lesser copy of Galactica Reboot that comes out, be it Star Gate Universe to Star Trek Discovery... I'm going to like it less and less. I didn't care for the original, why would I care for the watered down retread? I think its a shame that too much of the talk of Star Trek under Kurtzman has been about fiddly bits that frankly don't matter so much. Like Discovery's ships looking different and far more technologically advanced than a 1960s show. Or things like Spore Drives and what not. I think the bigger problem, and the one that really holds it down? Just the tonal shift from the optimism that Star Trek across its various series always had. From TOS through TAS to TNG, DS9, Voyager, and yes, still Enterprise. To things like what Discovery opened with. With the renown pacifist Vulcan ambassador from TOS's Journey to Babel saying: You gotta shoot Klingons on sight. To things like in Picard, characters giving Picard shit for being wealthy while they have to live in a camper trailer in the desert, impoverished. It's just that sort of slap to the face tonally. From the optimism of say, Captain Archer of Enterprise saying: "We can't be afraid of the wind Travis. Take us ahead, Warp 4", and having this upbeat moment of humanity's growth and potential, to Picard having people say: "... Romulans are our enemy, how dare you not let them be rendered extinct!".
or at the very least theyd add jargon that if you squint hard and sort of blur your vision it would make sense. Theyd add something that at least sounds plausible even if it was nonsense.
Nuclear Matt Probably because she grew up REALLY liking Star Trek, and was so excited to be playing a character on a new series, then read the script and basically felt herself wither and die.
Word, the melodrama is the biggest thing, next to the writing, that ruins discovery. It's not like star strek was ever really scientific. Technology and laws of nature basically follow what the plot requires from episode to episode.
Burnham saying “Find that person who seems farthest from you and reach for them, let them guide you” is supposed to be a reference to Spock’s subsequent relationship with Kirk, who is the “farthest from Spock” in temperament. It’s maddening, because it makes no sense in the context of the show. It only makes sense if you know Spock later learns to trust Kirk. And it’s retconning that trust to be caused, in part, by Burnham’s influence. It’s just terrible. Terrible writing, but also terrible in how it’s trying to gain an unearned place in classic Star Trek by crediting Burnham with creating that iconic friendship that didn’t need her.
It also makes all the episodes in which Spock learns to respect/trust/ love Kirk and McCoy less relevant, because he would have followed them anyway. Literally garbage writing.
Yeah this is an infuriating trend in this new generation of prequel shows. Kenobi has a lot of this too, where another character plants a tracker on Leia and lets them think they got away. So it retroactively rewrites the lore to say that Vader didn't come up with the plan, it was this unseen, unknown character who he stole the idea from, and Leia only knew that she was being tracked because she'd gone through this before when she was like 9. It's so obnoxious.
Holy shit you can take over instead of Kurzmann. This is such a logical explanation to them they would hire you on the spot. My god this show is so dumb.
Modern Star Trek is basically what stupid people think good sci-fi is: pretty lights and futuristic gadgets to make people think something interesting is happening, people spouting random science concepts that sounds cool but pays no consideration to actual the actual science behind them, and sloppy moral and philosophical diatribes/allegories about modern day problems.
@ Never watched the original series and I think TNG is the best iteration. And I think you're mistaking science fiction with science fantasy. Science fiction tries to fit within some realm of scientific plausibility while science fantasy treats science like a magic system that does not need to adhere to any of our modern scientific understanding. Star Trek is science fiction, Star Wars is science fantasy. And good sci-fi CAN have allegories/allusions to modern problems, but what makes them interesting is how such problems might change or stay the same in a futuristic setting, not just a blatant, lazy copy-paste of some contemporary problem.
It's bad enough to have crap writing but to then have the characters get on like 5 year olds saying go science and the power of math is totally retarded.
In what world does shouting the phrase "This is the power of math!" get met with applause instead of a swift and immediate jettison out of the nearest airlock?
Reminds me of a Mitchell and Webb skit about writing a medical drama with no knowledge of medicine. “Quickly Nurse bring me the medicine” “No nurse! That’s the wrong medicine, this patient needs the different medicine!”
You're just the kind of doctor who makes people go to sleep, where as I deal with people who have been in the wars in this particular way! Hahaha! Classic skit, well noted!
Lassi Kinnunen they flirted with science and scientific concepts of their day, but now it seems muuuuch more woo woo. Like, how apparently the moon was a giant egg.
Zebatsu aaaacktually, it's 'uninterested'. Disinterested means an objective view, like a judge should be disinterested in a criminal case and weigh up evidence.
Because I think if I met Mike and co. I would like them, I actively do not want them to watch more of this show to spare them the emotional pain. Because I like this content, I want them to continue watching so they can subsequently avoid reviewing while trying to review it.
JJ Abrams was the same supergenius who made it so everyone in the entire galaxy could see the five planets blown up by starkiller base by looking up... and see them all at the same time.
everything JJ Abrams has ever created is a very poorly written mess. just look at LOST. the show essentially has no story it's just a meandering mess of character moments and scenes. none of it ties into any actual narrative. Westworld is also just a total piece of garbage with a terrible mess of a story. I don't understand why he is so highly regarded as a director and producer
He’s gonna have a loaded gun on a table between the two of them. They won’t talk about it, they won’t acknowledge it, but it’ll be there in full view... letting us know that at any second this show could cause either one of them to snap, or both
Don't worry, there won't be Season 3. While it was announced, there is nobody willing to finance it. It is stuck in limbo until some Star Trek series turn profit. The first previews of "Picard" were disaster and new director has been brought in, while they are already filming...
Wow! It turns out that math is useful to solve complex technological and scientific challenges encountered in space exploration. I bet all of those Starfleet officers, having taken many years of study in science and mathematics both at the Academy and as part of the qualifications to even apply, were shocked to see it come in handy.
TNG had technobabble, but it was well known that they did their best to at least make it plausible. Now they just throw all kinds of words together and hope no one pays attention to the fact it makes ZERO sense.
In the 60's 70's and a bit in the 80's people read books and we're educated. Now people Google, and watch you tube and think 3 words in a sentence denotes intelligence. There not a chance in hell any of the shit made today would have even been made back then.
TNG scripts had written in the script, then they had writers on staff who did nothing but write the technobabble into the dialogue so that it was consistent. They also used a very tightly controlled formal language style that everyone used, free of contemporary slang that would date the show. The writing staff on Berman-era Star Trek was some of the best sci-fi talent in the world. They took scripts submitted by viewers and reworked them into quality productions. That's how Ronald D. Moore got his start in TV.
I really hope those writers can read Foundation series. Asimov had told us how to write a intelligence story about people solve completed issue without Technobabble.
3:41 It's not the jocks that have taken over science fiction, it's the preps. The smarmy know-it-all rich kids who love themselves some melodrama and pretentious artwork.
Well nerd culture became fashionable, so then a bunch of people who aren't nerds showed up, and they way outnumbered actual nerds, so the creators started catering to this new audience. I'd say Iron Man was probably the beginning of it all, thrusting comic books into the mainstream. Then you had kind of a resurgence of Star Wars, which then both of these got picked up by Disney, which then over saw the hollowing out of the material so as to sell it to the widest audience possible, however this meant that the product was not quality and for some reason people don't seem to understand that art isn't fast food and you shouldn't strive to create the entertainment equivalent of McDonald's.
Goes on to then dribble out all the times it's broken and disregarded. It may very well be the most pretentious, idiotic thing a nerd has ever said. I'm impressed.
Old trek science technobable worked because it was at once treated with a reverence and seriousness while paradoxically being a relatively understated element of the drama. Now it's highlighted in neon pink and comes with a high five and a fart sound effect.
I think the old trek technobabble doesn't really even classify as technobabble. They used pretty basic words that would give anybody an idea of what they were trying to convey, and that idea was always conveyed effectively. "We can modulate the deflector dish to send varying frequencies and try to communicate with this alien" is easily understood as "we have found a way to communicate with this alien." It doesn't take much thinking to figure out what all of the technobabble is trying to say. Meanwhile, in Discovery, they just throw a bunch of words together and hope nobody is actually paying attention to it. There's no substance to the technobabble. It exists solely as filler to pad out the writing and make it sound a lot more "high tech" than it needs to be. Classic example of saying a lot without saying anything at all.
A character actually says, "I like science"? How embarrassing... Edit: That time traveling A.I. trying to merge with a giant planetoid-like ball in space to wipe out all life in the universe is a couple of the Ultron plot points in recent Marvel comics. How embarrassing...
A producer is just someone who puts money into the show. I'm sure most stuff has more than 21 producers, but it's often done through a company name. Having each one on the start credits is.....yeah. "My name is on Star Trek!"
@@Edeinawc The thing is nowadays Producers expect to have some input into the shows creation simply because they helped fund it. And some producers threaten to cut funding if they don't, and something something too many cooks something something.
8:14 "Oh god the first episodes they don't like 'em! Pull them out into space, let the Borg return, let Q return!" Rlm predicting season 2 of Picard, outch
Mike incessantly steering the conversation to old Trek is all I'm here for. I'd watch a new series that is just Mike and Rich reviewing every single Star Trek episode.
17:30 “The theme...is sloppy writing, where the writers introduce something, and then it never pays off. Ever.” Welcome to Bad Robot Writing 101, guys.
Tannen's Mystery Box is such an unintentionally perfect metaphor - a box of surplus merchandise that nobody wanted, slickly repackaged as a novelty by a hustler, that loses value when you look inside.
i like it on LOST and ONCE, the "what is THIS now? thing" but mysteries for the sake of mysteries that answer other mysteries, but not the first one to begin with? not on Trek please.
The fact that RLM kept saying "I hope people watched Season 3 so they know what we're talking about" shows how bad this show is. Nobody watches it, the executives at CBS think internet numbers are different than TV numbers, & Alex Kurtzman got caught fudging the numbers by showing 'impressions' which are people hating the show but talking about it. I watch RLM's take on the show, but its not canon and like Ghostbusters will be forgotten as Hollywood purges the deadweight once it actually starts to hurt. I just wish it wouldn't take as long.
@Captain McDog "haha RLM are such good satirists, what a great line, 'this is the power of science' haha...wait what's that ensign sayi-...oh god. Oh god kill me."
If anything it's worse in reality as not only is it dumb as a brick it also has short term memory problems that prevents it remembering anything it ever said more than 3 episodes in the past.
Anyone who says "I like science" or "this is the power of math!" like they are speaking to people who don't value math or science acumen, on a ship full of scientists, engineers and explorers...should be immediately recognized as an imposter who not only doesn't like math or science, but has no business on a starship.
They do over analyze. They’re absolutely right in that statement. The problem is they don’t need to nitpick and overanalyze to be frustrated with the terrible story of this or picard. It’s surface level bad. Diving deeper just exposes it on a more fundamental level to those who may see this and realize what honest fans want and crave is legitimately good stories. And the main issue there is there isn’t a huge market for that currently, which is why all your favourite major franchises are churning out shit. And remakes are in abundance, studios got fat and lazy. The only option left is to fight with your wallet. Stop bankrolling the shit.
@@L4nd0C4lr1s14n No, I disagree. Part of the fun of this is they analyze it. Yes, on the surface level you have to be a moron not to see all the stupid inconsistencies and have failed science in grade school BADLY. However, it's quite enjoyable to pick the corpse down to the bone. For a SCIENCE fiction show, the writers sure don't give a damn about science. They don't care even a LITTLE bit about getting science right, even on a completely superficial level. They don't care about having a coherent plot, they don't even care about having human beings act like actual human beings. The ONLY thing in the current incarnations of Star Trek (or Star Wars for that matter) are mindless, stupid, action scenes, and the LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT POSSIBLE to make an excuse for yet another mindless, stupid, action scene.
@@L4nd0C4lr1s14n I disagree. They don’t overanalyze. If you’re watching something and an event happens that takes you completely out of the show, it’s an issue. They’re just actively watching what is happening in front of them the way humans used to. Most people watch shit like STD (Yep) and are doing random things in the background so they don’t catch how dumb it really is. RLM watches things in a focused manner and when you do that it’s easy to catch dumb shit people say.
All I want is a show that I can't easily see through. It takes me so far out of it when it's written by dozens of people that should have an education relative to mine to draw from... I can't find that these days
Star Trek is about unraveling mysteries and solving moral quandaries with a sci-fi backdrop. Nu-Trek is explosions and drama and expensive CGI with no context or reason.
Not quite. It's members of a notoriously nepotistic Tribe which is particularly prominent in Hollywood (and includes Abrams, Kurtzman, Lindelhoff, and practically everyone else in charge in ST and SW now) who are absolutely reveling in shitting all over your beloved cultural icon.
Sadly not, instead Rich's idea of a giant robot is far more likely, as they can easily turn that into a "Starship Enterprise Transforming Mech™" toy, to help kick off star trek into star wars levels of rampant consumerism.
It's going to take a lot more time. Season 3 of Discovery is in limbo, because Netflix refused to finance it. Nobody else has taken the bid. Picard is financed by Amazon, and first screening were disaster.
"The Borg's back! Q's back!" Mike throwing out shitty, dumb ideas that hack writers and producers would fall back on due to a complete lack of creativity... ahh. It does the heart good.
if you havent watched, be aware, Enterprise has a slow, rough start, like TNG before it, but it becomes very good.. honestly become one of my favorite... use to be tng but thats below TOS now that i re-watched all of trek.. end to end... ent,ds9(babylon5 rippoff), voyager/tos, tng, the movies...honestly, tng makes me cringe hard often, the "boys will be boys" "men never grow up" etc... androphobic shit
Enterprise is really good, ignore the hate and try it. It's fun watching Captain Archer make it up as he goes along and then in the 3rd season he really becomes the 'captain'. It's great.
Yeah, it was cool in Breaking Bad, because it worked in context. When Tilly says it, she's surrounded by 23rd Century officers and crew of a starship. None of them should be surprised or impressed that *science* works!
And made a beloved character into a feeble, annoying old man who gets berated almost every episode and meekly takes it. Good job STP writers. May your souls forever writhe and burn in the unending and tumultuous depths of Writer Limbo.
So like I just finished watching all of Voyager the other day for the first time. A few months ago I watched all of Picard, I didn't realize who Icheb was in Picard until just now. I am devastated.
some of TNG's best episodes had almost no special effects, they were character driven, simple in premis but executed to perfection, aspiring to be '12 angry men' rather than transformers, THAT is Discoverys biggest problem
I would like Mike and Rich to do a season by season review of all the old Star Trek seasons. Talk about why they are superior and maybe discuss some of the topics that are brought up in them.
@@va.melnyk While all the Hardcore Trek fans would love an episode by episode review, I dont think most people who watch RLM are hardcore Trek fans and that would be asking too much work for what I would would be too little views. So If they go season by season and discuss the important episodes it might draw in more views and maybe some non fans in the Star Trek verse.
I feel like we need a supercut of all the "lofty dialogue that's meant for people to cry butterfly tears at." The "never again will you have to fight alone" in this episode is one, and Burnham's stupid "reach for them! They will guide you!" is another. It's the TV/Film dialogue equivalent of a "live, laugh, love" poster.
Tbh Mike, "the sun is a semi-permanent explosion" is probably the most accurate way to define it. Doctor Who even used that idea back when it used to be a good show.
@@bebaguette766 I thought the farting was just a dumb joke when I was a kid, it wasn't till I got older that I appreciated what they're actually trying to say i.e. politicians do nothing but blow hot gas out of their arses.
_”The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the massive producer guild of STD as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.”_
@@SuperDevolution - no, they need to make planes out of the same materials as children's toys, because you will always find one of those singed, but otherwise intact, in the wreckage.
@@peelsreklaw Walter: "And now, what shall we use to conduct this beautiful current with, hm? What one particular element comes to mind, hm? Hmm?" Jesse: "hmm......WIRE"
A dark plot, war, themes of religion, section 31, questioning the prime directive/ the federations values, strong female character, and flawed characters with interesting back stories really made for an amazing series. God I love DS9.
@@GeorgeMonet Often you'll have something good, that tests boundaries, and then hacks will copy it and turn everything to shit. Nirvana was good, but its legacy and copycats ultimately hurt rock music. Dark Knight Returns was a great comic, but its legacy and copycats damaged comics. Ultimately you can't blame something good and nuanced for being imitated by hacks with no subtlety... you blame the hacks doing the copying and the corporate suits ordering the copying because they're scared of real risk and think that copying something that WAS risky is the next best thing.
@@GeorgeMonet I disagree, DS9 wasn't that well received back then and they wen't back to classic with VGR and ENT. JJ and Kurtzman would be the one to blame for the latest subversive garbage. TNG movie was the tipping point where they understood that stupid and violent sells more than smart and pacifist
Without even realizing it, when they were talking about starship sized mech suits throwing suns and planets, they were more or less describing Gurren Lagann. And honestly, if Star Trek Picard had suddenly turned into Gurren Lagann partway through, that would have been much better than what we actually got.
Oh fuck, I just made this comment but in more detail I said that too, Picard becoming Simon and fighting the Antispiral would probably have been a better show...
"I like science" Mister Spock, you're a Vulcan. Your entire species's culture is centered around math, science, and logic. Not only is you uttering that line out loud terrible and cringe-inducing, it's also ridiculous coming from someone who had undoubtedly had science and math drilled into his head throughout his lifetime.
Literally every aspect of most Federation cultures is completely dominated by scientific progress and centered on technological advancement. It is ridiculous and cringe-worthy coming from basically anyone who's ever worked for Starfleet and so is the "power of math" line.
@stevie bops Exactly these are people are highly trained officers they shouldn't be saying that. Unless they have a layman from earth who hasn't join the academy.
It's not even the concept of math or science, it's literally just the *words* math and science. They reduced "math" and "science" to internet memes for an audience of people that doesn't know what they are, but they sure do love them.
"This is the power of math, people!" *And then, everybody clapped.* "You're right about that, ensign." *And then, they fucking high five.* 😶😟😖🤢🤮☠ That made my skin crawl and my entire body cringe.
That's what happens when you have jocks, hipsters, etc, basically anyone but people honestly interested in even a small way in science try to write science fiction.
I just watched at TNG outtakes reel where LaForge and Worf high-five each other behind Picard's back when their names are mentioned That only works as an outtake because it is *so out of character* and stupid for them to do that it becomes funny...
When I heard them say, "That's the power of math" and "I like science" I thought it was a joke. I didn't realize it was actually a line from the show...
Same here. I love star trek but I totally didn't care about this show. It's sad but I don't even remember this kind of details...
The Orville is a nice intro for normies to the Star Trek universe.
Watch that instead. Some episodes feel like classic Star Trek it’s very pleasing.
That's some Deepak Chopra levels of physics woo-woo
it was definitely an "absolute terror" moment when they played the relevant clips from the show
broderick kurtz well it’s easy to feel like classic Star Trek, when every episode is basically plagiarizes from TOS or TNG
Star Trek Into Darkness Kurtzman wrote the line "The cold fusion reaction will render the volcano inert" which should have triggered an immediate restraining order against future sci-fi work.
Seems legit to me
"The Gravity is out!"
*Crew flys sideways in falling ship bound by earth gravity*
But it’s COLD fusion on the HOT volcano! Of course it works! ;)
LOL!...
That is why you see firefighters use icecubes to fight fires. Because they are colder than water.
I just picture Jay behind the camera...
rolling his eyes...
thinking about David Lynch...
No,He's Ferociously masturbating to the recent criterion blu ray of Blue Velvet in the other room. You think he wants to hear two elderly men complain about star trek for an hour? Come on,it would kill the mood!
And farting out of excitement for thinking about David Lynch.
"This is the power of math."
"I just discovered my faith.. in myself."
"I like science."
*six million battlecruisers fight a spaceship the size of a planet, and a sun explodes in the background*
Every single science fiction franchise got the Transformers treatment.
At least the Transformers movies had no pretense about being smart, deep, or meaningful.
@@jbbrolic I never thought I'd read a defense of Transformers which was shitting on Star Trek and think to myself, "Yea, that's right."
@@rareosts5752 Neither did I, good sir (ma'am?)... neither did I.
@@rareosts5752 kek
Mark Hamill has expressed such views toward the Disney Star Wars movies.
With both "I like science" and "the power of math", I thought "no way that they actually said that word by word like that" and then I was proven wrong immediately
@@huntsman528 same here, the actual scenes were even worse.
"fuck you religitards, gOD sux, subscribe to r/atheism!" - season 3 line
It didn't even enter my mind that those were actual lines from a Star Trek show.
@@IncredibleGoliath i knew about "power of math"
Spock saying "i like science" killed me
I know, I thought they were just poking fun and being over the top, but their skit is more subtle than the show.
If Jay could sit in on these, silently frowning, but then halfway through start interjecting with parallels in David Lynch films that help explain what's happening in Star Trek
just get a greenscreen of him doing that and put it in the background during the entire thing
Mike and Rich went through the 5 stages of grief filming this review.
That's relatable.
Stage 6 is "mockery."
As did we all watching it @_@
I LiKe ScIeNcE
A lot of people are going through that these days, now that the morons have completely taken over Hollywood.
Spock's verbatim dialogue "I like science" in addition to the line "This is the power of math people!", coupled with Spock talking later on about his "FAITH", has just turned me into a serial killer.
Listen to the pizza roll muh dude.
Focus on the writers when you rampage and all 16 producers
I feel you bro.
my villain origin story
Ironically Vulcan Culture is based on Judaism, oh, so is Yoda's Wisdoms
Remember when _Star Trek_ would hire Science Fiction writers to write their stories? Ah, those were the days.
Yeah hard to believe that happened. Heck I think some one is all these comments could probably write a better STD!
You wouldn't want the current crop of Scifi writers handling this; the genre is overrun with identity politics obsessed hipsters. STD is made for their type.
At this point I would settle for any writer that can write a coherent and plausible story and not just some cheap plot device to connect all the cgi action scenes the director is planning.
I find it really funny that they should be taking advice from fucking Seth Macfarlane on how to write Star Trek
@@uphilliceskater Seriously? Currently you have people like Reynolds, Baxter, Chiang, Egan, Hamilton, Bear etc.... writing. SF is doing fine. Just ignore what the press is hyping up.
In this episode, Mike derails the conversation about Star Trek by talking about Star Trek.
All in order to avoid talking about """Star Trek"""
Since Star Trek Discovery is cancer. I hope it gets cancelled. The only thing that would make it watchable would be bare breasts and scenes of women in showers.
Derails it to talk about REAL Trek! Ha ;-)
correction "In this episode, Mike derails the conversation about SHITY Star Trek by talking about WELL MADE Star Trek."
@@roddymcape7697 The 47 producers have heard you...more man breasts coming right up!
Ive never seen star trek discovery. Im just here for rich evans
lucas same here. Star Trek isn't my thing at all but I get a kick out of watching them get unabashedly nerdy about Star Trek... HOW EMBARRASSING!!!
After this you never will.
I watched 4 episodes before I turned it off after realising I was yelling at the TV.
I envy you having never seen a single episode.
I'm only here for that juicy ass Shaq meat, so where is it?
They should put that quote on the box set.
I can’t believe a network writer actually wrote “this is the power of math, people” (and everybody clapped) as a serious line.
this was when social media was covered in “i fucking love science” shit and it was always like the most basic braindead pop science schlock. mike is right, it just makes your skin crawl
My soul cringed out of my body hearing those lines. Some writer with 0 actual appreciation for math or science trying to fake like they care.
Written by the local middle school
Didn’t the head writer also write Batman and Robin
Aren't they astronauts?! Don't they all know the power of math?!
Mike: Full of childlike joy recounting old TNG episodes
Rich: "Stop having fun, we have to talk about Ash Tyler"
Shut the fuck up, Clem Fandango.
The 'I like science' and 'that's the power of math' lines would have sounded better coming from Zapp Brannigan.
or just, you know, not at all
Zapp trying to get cozy with a scientist lady who wants NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM...
As dumb as those lines are, Zapp would say something even dumber lol
Zapp would have pronounced it Sky-ence then opened a bottle of his favourite Sham-pag-nee.
I could honestly see Prof. Farnsworth saying "That's the power of math!" as a footnote to them solving an issue and it sounding more charming than any line in ST:D
“Hi, I’m Mike Stoklasa and I also am a recovering Trek fan.”
Help group:”Hi Mike.”
“I’m so glad you all brought booze, it really helps me sleep afterwards.”
Mike: “Hi, I’m Mike Stoklasa and I also am a recovering Trek fan.”
Help group:”Hi Mike.”
Mike: "By the way, this reminds me of an episodes of Star Trek The Next Generation where..."
"So they say the new picard show is not going to be about action and exploding planets." "I dont believe them." YEP
Rich being prophetic and prescient as usual. Is there nothing the man can't do?
@@dagreatcow Ok, there is that.
QS BACK
@@drdarkeny As long you stop playing Mass Effect 3 during the final push in London you'd be fi... Oh, you meant the totally original and not at plagiarised Picard end-boss... In that case you... still play Mass Effect, 'cause it's done better XD
@@drdarkeny It is a really decent game, so as long as you avoid the titanically bad ending that soured a lot of people on the whole game, you'd be fine. The story's got enough gravitas to keep you going, the voice acting's good, ditto the sound design. Honestly, the only thing that I actively dislike are a couple of 'bad dream sequences' (which feel hamfisted or worse - a relic of a dropped part of the script), but they're mercifully short and ignorable... Unlike everything after the final push (after saying your goodbyes with the squad) in London - there let your head canon fill in the blanks ;)
in terms of techo-babble, there is a big difference between: "The engines are offline. We need to re-energize the core." and "The cyclo-nano-array has inverted its ionization duplex. We must percolate neutrono matter indexes to incite critical plaxitude on the gerstal emitter."
@Moth breeder you fucker 🤣
pffft. Gerstral emitters only work with strange quark inverted duplex drives. Noob.
@Michael Friedl *METH
fancy way of saying hit a bong
@@thomaslamptonbickham2939 Voyager is bad in that regard but you can struggle through it if you're a long time Trek fan and can follow through based on previous examples from other shows
21 producers and none of them seem to have watched an episode of Star Trek in their lives.
@@AlucardsQuest Coming soon lots of other things designed for speculative audiences of people other than those who are fans of it - such as Visionaries & M.A.S.K.
@@AlucardsQuest They have and that Chambon Guy who Wrote some of Picard - who is it's new official Show runner wrote the Visionaries & MASK scripts for the movies in pre-production / development too - which is why I mentioned them.
The problem is the writers are trying to write for characters smarter than they are.
Fatal Tyrionitis
Smarter and more human (including the alien characters).
There is a brilliant screencap somewhere on the internet concerning the difference between something smartly written and something written by dumb people trying to write a smart scene/character. The examples used respectively were No Country For Old Men and the Sherlock Holmes series.
In No Country, the antagonist of the story is smart. He checks into a hotel room at the same hotel where the protagonist is staying at, so he can get a layout of the room-- places to hide, possible cover, nooks where certain Macguffins can be stashed, etcetera. He breaks locks with a pneumatic cattle gun. He creates distractions, investigates leads, manipulates people, stalks and hunts... He's a predator on the prowl, and he exhibits clear signs of intellect, however craven. He's also not the only smart character in the movie. The actions these characters take fall in line not only with the movie's internal logic, but also the external logic that a viewer would expect it to abide by (mostly, anyway).
In Sherlock Holmes, the antagonist/s would (and do) pull off any and all sorts of off-the-wall chicanery that one might more easily expect of a Marx Brothers skit or Leslie Nielsen flick. Foolish, outlandish Matryoshka doll gambit-upon-gambit escapades to fuel simple criminal wants are easily thwarted by the omniscient titular character, as though he were a magician revealing to the public how a fraud faked a seance. Boom, cut to bad guy being pushed into a squad car and Sherlock flippantly scoffing at the whole thing in disinterest. The alleged genius of any involved are announced through dialogue, regardless of the inanity of the situations or persons presented. The characters only perform actions that move the plot as the plot demands, instead of the story allowing their organic actions to form intrigue and a greater narrative thread. Nothing new has been said, and the puppets are put away till the next show.
TL;DR: Smart people will write smartly and it will feel like a natural progression of the characters and story. Dumb people will continue to write smart people as though they were sorcerors twisting reality to their whim, because that's almost exactly how they percieve intelligent people.
@@Hanzer-ns5bh spot on
The same way Brad Pitt could never play Albert Einstein.
Rich Evans called Star Trek Picard being a piece of shit. His complete disdain for all things Kurtzman puts a smile on my face.
Alex Kurtzman is a hack fraud!
"The nerd culture has been taken over by the jocks.".....ouch.
KingEgyptian and later the jockbros version of the big bang theroy Will be made
Mfw people dabbed on nerds until they realized just how much money they can make.
It's so true too...what genuinely cerebral entertainment is there out there any more? I guess a few small studios still make good stuff, but sci-fi and fantasy has been almost completely co-opted by the mainstream it seems like.
"Superheroes weren't mainstream when i was a kid, man. I was a nerd when nerd was nerd." -Jeff Cannata
Normal people would say “Oh that’s just an exaggeration! Don’t be man-babies!”
But they say that because they don’t have investment in the thing that’s getting neutered. I remember when the people who took this over used to make fun of nerd culture, now they turn it into shit they will get bored with and still treat us like crap.
Rewatching this I find it eerie how spot on Rich was about Star Trek Picard. His attitude of "I don't believe them." was in fact totally correct in retrospect.
@Redresseny We evolve so beautifully!! I can't wait for the future!
They don't want the classic fans, but the NuTrek fans that jumped aboard since 2009. They also know hate-watching is the only thing that sustains their shows. They've _said_ this. I've never watched any of the NuTrek shows or movies, so don't do it. Abstain and deny them their smug satisfaction. If a sizeable chunk of the classic fans walked out, I'm pretty sure STD and STP would be canceled. We make this possible.
@@saberiandream316 I'm rather dubious of the claim they admitted to seeking "hate watchers."
Star Trek is merely a brand that delivers profits with a mass-market appeal, and Paramount is entirely apathetic about the opinions of Trekkers. We're a minority, and it's extremely unlikely that our opinion has any significant impact on the bottom line one way or the other.
If we ever get quality Star Trek again, it will be by mere coincidence.
Man is honestly a genius, Mike has hope and Rich hasn't for years. He truly understands how things are lmao
@@schmal911 I disagree a bit. Not that Trekkies are a minority, but that it's unlikely Trekkies' opinions have any impact on the property. I think if Paramount was completely apathetic about whether Trekkies will stay loyal to the brand there wouldn't still be constant fan"service," there's no actual reason to bring these characters back if you're not going to do anything of note with them OR properly kill them off.
"I can't watch any more of this."
- a huge Star Trek fan
Can't watch Star Trek and can't watch Star Wars.
@BLAIR M Schirmer
For me, the Red Flag was how shoddy and directionsless the CGI was. Lots of blur to hide that some ships weren't modelled in high detail, terrible camera, two different phaser effects within 2 episodes (both bad), no shield effects upon hits.
I thought the Battle of the Binary Stars was bad because it was their first space CGI and they had to rush it, but the final battle of the Season 2 was just a trainwreck of awful ideas stitched together . The capital ships were sitting still and not maneuvering at all, not shooting at one another, no classic tactical Star Treky feel and the swarms were awful, AFWUL. I also thought they learned their lessons with Star Trek: Beyond that people hate that kind of crap because it's completely impossible to follow and uninteresting, but apparently no.
The final battle was a stinking pile of MESS and indicates that the team behind the CGI of the current and upcoming Star Trek series is FUBAR.
@@zh3497 every SW movie can easily be reduced to a fully watchable half an hour video
@@ivanbnv8354 I'm not following what you're saying.
If the new shows weren't so awful, what would we have to laugh over? It's impressive that science fiction was written better in 1960 than it is today, in 2020, when we now have 1/2 the things that were only imagined in 1960.
The TNG writers had the humility to have tech consultants filling the blanks. They would use the word “tech” as a placeholder and the tech consultants would insert the CORRECT jargon.
I was a teenager when the original star trek began. I loved it, but all my peers pooh poohed it. It later became popular in reruns.
I've watched every episode of every star trek series. I guess I'm alone on very much liking season 2 of Discovery.. I don't like the "wokeness", but it wove new stories for each episode in with continuing story line across the season. Sets and production quality was excellent. I couldn't wait to see what happened next. Think of a space alien seeing it and original series fir the furst time. No comparison. I'm impressed and can excuse a few inconsistencies of science and character. I'm reminded of the E E Doc Smith "Skylark of Valeron" book series. Lots of technical advances move the plots quickly. But it doesn't get bogged down in long explanations or technicality explained. I like Discovery a lot!
See, now that makes sense. I mean, ok... This is science FICTION. But you still have to have the science make sense to make it believable. Yes, it's set in the 23rd, 24th century (depending on which series you're watching), so you can make up a lot of the sciency stuff to make it work with the story. But even the made up stuff needs to be grounded in reality, or it's just not going to make sense. One thing Star Wars has going for it is that it all takes place in "a galaxy far far away". So you can do whatever you want with it (*cough cough* mediclorians *cough cough*). But with Star Trek it's already been established that it's the Milky Way galaxy (or some version there of, depending on which mirror universe episode of which series you're watching). Warp drive (and/or transwarp drive), slipstream, wormholes, impulse speeds, hell even time travel have a basis within the established setting. Now it's an engine that runs on.... mushrooms? Spore drive... Yeah, someone was running on spores when they came up with this shit.
Visually it's kindda cool. It does kind of look like a movie. But I'd be more willing to give it another shot if it wasn't Star Trek. I'd be more willing to give it another shot if it was a non-trek show set in a different galaxy or universe. But for me, having grown up with Trek, having some understanding of the basics of the science used in the fiction of Trek I just find it unwatchable.
I think for me it's just a matter of taste. Galactica Reboot became the norm for Sci-Fi after it it. Everything from how the cinematography is handled (dark, minimalistic, a lot of strange angles and open spaces), to how the writing is done. And me? I was kind of alone in really, really not liking Galactica Reboot. Most people loved it. So it makes sense as the template to try to follow. But it also makes sense that for me, every lesser copy of Galactica Reboot that comes out, be it Star Gate Universe to Star Trek Discovery... I'm going to like it less and less. I didn't care for the original, why would I care for the watered down retread?
I think its a shame that too much of the talk of Star Trek under Kurtzman has been about fiddly bits that frankly don't matter so much. Like Discovery's ships looking different and far more technologically advanced than a 1960s show. Or things like Spore Drives and what not. I think the bigger problem, and the one that really holds it down? Just the tonal shift from the optimism that Star Trek across its various series always had. From TOS through TAS to TNG, DS9, Voyager, and yes, still Enterprise. To things like what Discovery opened with. With the renown pacifist Vulcan ambassador from TOS's Journey to Babel saying: You gotta shoot Klingons on sight. To things like in Picard, characters giving Picard shit for being wealthy while they have to live in a camper trailer in the desert, impoverished.
It's just that sort of slap to the face tonally. From the optimism of say, Captain Archer of Enterprise saying: "We can't be afraid of the wind Travis. Take us ahead, Warp 4", and having this upbeat moment of humanity's growth and potential, to Picard having people say: "... Romulans are our enemy, how dare you not let them be rendered extinct!".
@@hitomisalazar4073 And sadly, the Galactica Reboot treatment is coming for Babylon 5 now.
or at the very least theyd add jargon that if you squint hard and sort of blur your vision it would make sense. Theyd add something that at least sounds plausible even if it was nonsense.
The actress who says "This is the power of math, people!" looks deeply uncomfortable during that scene.
Nuclear Matt Probably because she grew up REALLY liking Star Trek, and was so excited to be playing a character on a new series, then read the script and basically felt herself wither and die.
@@Adorni why you making up shit to make her look good.. oh because she is a woman, and you are simp.
@@TripleDeckerSupreme I would bet she asked to do this herself. Happens all the time
@@Wakka9000 Just say you hate women and leave dude.
@@blahblahblah1695 hahaha, "muh princes needs saving,go away bad man, or I'm gonna pee myself"
its not the jocks taking over, its the drama club - its the show glee, with blue screens
Word, the melodrama is the biggest thing, next to the writing, that ruins discovery.
It's not like star strek was ever really scientific. Technology and laws of nature basically follow what the plot requires from episode to episode.
I wish it was jocks because at least we could have a an 80's tier action movie with the star trek name at least.
also deadbeat lobotomized consumers being funnelled into 'nerd culture' started killing creativity and lowering the bar.
omg... i was debating the jock thing, because it didnt feel right. but you're absolutely right... this is the fucking drama club
If it were jocks there would be some "toxic"/actual/real masculinity in the show.
"Star Trek Discovery is a soap opera of garbage."
-Mike Stoklasa
Burnham saying “Find that person who seems farthest from you and reach for them, let them guide you” is supposed to be a reference to Spock’s subsequent relationship with Kirk, who is the “farthest from Spock” in temperament.
It’s maddening, because it makes no sense in the context of the show. It only makes sense if you know Spock later learns to trust Kirk. And it’s retconning that trust to be caused, in part, by Burnham’s influence.
It’s just terrible. Terrible writing, but also terrible in how it’s trying to gain an unearned place in classic Star Trek by crediting Burnham with creating that iconic friendship that didn’t need her.
WOW how awful. They did not earn that at all. lol
Isn't Bones the furthest from Spock? lmao
@@CadBradYes. That's the whole dynamic of the Kirk, Spock, McCoy trio. Spock is logic, McCoy is emotion and Kirk balances them.
It also makes all the episodes in which Spock learns to respect/trust/ love Kirk and McCoy less relevant, because he would have followed them anyway. Literally garbage writing.
Yeah this is an infuriating trend in this new generation of prequel shows. Kenobi has a lot of this too, where another character plants a tracker on Leia and lets them think they got away. So it retroactively rewrites the lore to say that Vader didn't come up with the plan, it was this unseen, unknown character who he stole the idea from, and Leia only knew that she was being tracked because she'd gone through this before when she was like 9. It's so obnoxious.
Start a new show where Mike explains the plot of a random Star Trek episode to Jay.
That's just Half in the bag
This is such a great idea.
@@melandor0 half of half in the bag
I can see Jay's confused face already.
Jay just looking into the distance, drool dribbling from the corner of his mouth... Yesss!
Mike and Rich, you're overthinking how they'll land on the sun. Obviously, they're going to land at night. Duh.
😂😂
Brilliant .. I'm crying I'm laughing so hard...
Then I thought ... what if this becomes STD canon.
Holy shit you can take over instead of Kurzmann. This is such a logical explanation to them they would hire you on the spot.
My god this show is so dumb.
And that, kids, is what true genius looks like.
Well, not technically at night, but definitely the dark side of the sun. It just makes sense.
Modern Star Trek is basically what stupid people think good sci-fi is: pretty lights and futuristic gadgets to make people think something interesting is happening, people spouting random science concepts that sounds cool but pays no consideration to actual the actual science behind them, and sloppy moral and philosophical diatribes/allegories about modern day problems.
@ Never watched the original series and I think TNG is the best iteration. And I think you're mistaking science fiction with science fantasy. Science fiction tries to fit within some realm of scientific plausibility while science fantasy treats science like a magic system that does not need to adhere to any of our modern scientific understanding. Star Trek is science fiction, Star Wars is science fantasy. And good sci-fi CAN have allegories/allusions to modern problems, but what makes them interesting is how such problems might change or stay the same in a futuristic setting, not just a blatant, lazy copy-paste of some contemporary problem.
Once again, modern Star Trek is for stupid people who don't understand what makes sci-fi good besides the futuristic aesthetic
It's bad enough to have crap writing but to then have the characters get on like 5 year olds saying go science and the power of math is totally retarded.
Dont let the pc police hear you say that! They will abduct you and force you in to becoming a genderfluid cucumber !
Imagine a beaming Spock: "This is the power of math, people!!!!" while Kirk and Bones start grinning and clapping.
In what world does shouting the phrase "This is the power of math!" get met with applause instead of a swift and immediate jettison out of the nearest airlock?
Some horrible world written by dude-bros instead of science-fiction writers.
A teacher for a middleschool algebra class mid-lecture
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Another question: how the hell did she even graduate from Starfleet? Are their standards that low now?
The world of Alex Kurtzman. It's a pretty dark place or, dare I say, dark universe (wink wink)
"I like science."
*Look of shame immediately after line delivery*
Reminds me of the "I like dogs" from Jupiter Uprising
SilveR's Channel Yeah, but _Jupiter Rising_ knew that line was stupid.
Reminds me of a Mitchell and Webb skit about writing a medical drama with no knowledge of medicine.
“Quickly Nurse bring me the medicine”
“No nurse! That’s the wrong medicine, this patient needs the different medicine!”
You're just the kind of doctor who makes people go to sleep, where as I deal with people who have been in the wars in this particular way!
Hahaha! Classic skit, well noted!
and that people is the power of health
I was shaking when Spock said "I like science!"
Cem Esendal Even the actor was ashamed, you see it in his expression
triggered...
Hey Spock! I have a logic puzzle for you. What did the 5 fingers say to the face? SLAP!!
I assumed they were just parodying. A paraphrase at least. "hahaha, oh Mike, you funny guy! Making up such ridiculous, humorous exaggerations!"
...
Literally shaking
"They're paying lip service to the concept of science, but they dont care.... or understand"
Finally, an intelligent show made for redditors.
Basically how Doctor Who feels now.
@Lassi Kinnunen
Remember when The TARDIS towed The Earth. Good times, good times.
Lassi Kinnunen they flirted with science and scientific concepts of their day, but now it seems muuuuch more woo woo. Like, how apparently the moon was a giant egg.
@@EpoxyMuffin
Worst episode evah!
In The Forest of the Stupid
That was the worst too.
If "blast doors" are photon torpedo proof... then make a ship entirely out of blast doors.
The blast door factory can't keep up with demand!
Impossible. Blast doors are too heavy, the ship would just fall to the center of the galaxy.
@@lithiumdeuteride we must seize the production of blast doors this is how we win this war.
If you run out of blast doors,then use black boxes to build the rest
“he who controls the blast doors controls the universe!”
I just love how Rich was 100% justified being so disinterested in the awful Picard show lmao
He predicted they would do melodrama and big explosions/battles. Because Kurtzman
Zebatsu aaaacktually, it's 'uninterested'. Disinterested means an objective view, like a judge should be disinterested in a criminal case and weigh up evidence.
@@mysterymastermind175 "Bring out the Borg! Bring out Q!"
Oh god, "I *like* science!" and "This is the power of *math!*" are ACTUAL LINES FROM THE SHOW!?!?!?!?
Science fucking rules
yep. Theres even a moment where that alien princess goes "Today ROCKS!".
Belive it or not, but "Yum Yum" is also a direct quote from the show...
STD is like the "Big Bang Theory" of science fiction.
@@KneelB4Bacon STD is like an actual STD, but instead of a burning sensation on my nards, it's in my brain...
Why don't they make the whole ship out of blast door?
lol exactly!
It’d be too heavy to fly, duh.
Because how would they know which fucking door to close when it came time to CLOSE THOSE FUCKING DOORS?
@@chrissullivan6403 if its effective, you could build it in space or on low gravity planets
@@chrissullivan6403 its in space what would it weigh In zero gravity ? 🤔
"Never watching Star Trek Discovery again"
No one believed you Mike.
He said he's done with Discovery, I bet you he's not. Rich says he won't watch Picard, but Mike will make him.
Because I think if I met Mike and co. I would like them, I actively do not want them to watch more of this show to spare them the emotional pain. Because I like this content, I want them to continue watching so they can subsequently avoid reviewing while trying to review it.
He means it this time!! Honest!
JJ Abrams was the same supergenius who made it so everyone in the entire galaxy could see the five planets blown up by starkiller base by looking up... and see them all at the same time.
everything JJ Abrams has ever created is a very poorly written mess. just look at LOST. the show essentially has no story it's just a meandering mess of character moments and scenes. none of it ties into any actual narrative. Westworld is also just a total piece of garbage with a terrible mess of a story. I don't understand why he is so highly regarded as a director and producer
@@djangofett4879 thats hollywood nepotism. Abrams is a franchise serial killer.
@@djangofett4879 Because most of the audience is composed of morons, and they like his work.
@@PodreyJenkin138 Gotta love nepotism.
"star wars is not a science lesson"
- Jar jar abrams
End of season 1 review: “I can’t watch anymore of this.”
End of season 2 review: “I can’t watch anymore of this.”
See you at the end of season 3 ;)
He’s gonna have a loaded gun on a table between the two of them. They won’t talk about it, they won’t acknowledge it, but it’ll be there in full view... letting us know that at any second this show could cause either one of them to snap, or both
Don't worry, there won't be Season 3.
While it was announced, there is nobody willing to finance it. It is stuck in limbo until some Star Trek series turn profit. The first previews of "Picard" were disaster and new director has been brought in, while they are already filming...
@@ИванСнежков-з9й Uh huh. Sure, buddy.
999SickBoy666 you’re not very bright are you?
Well, someone has to do it.
"This is the power of math, people"
An actual line. From an actual non-comedy tv show. My god, I keep on cringing.
It was the applause from the rest of the crew and the high five that was cringe upon cringe.
@@sorryifoldcomment8596 It wouldn't make me wanna die so much if that took place in some Mythbusters kind of show, but Star Trek...
Wow! It turns out that math is useful to solve complex technological and scientific challenges encountered in space exploration. I bet all of those Starfleet officers, having taken many years of study in science and mathematics both at the Academy and as part of the qualifications to even apply, were shocked to see it come in handy.
And now, "math signaling." And "science signaling" too, just to be thorough.
Yeah Tilly is awful
TNG had technobabble, but it was well known that they did their best to at least make it plausible. Now they just throw all kinds of words together and hope no one pays attention to the fact it makes ZERO sense.
They kept physicists on call so they could double check the techno babble.
In the 60's 70's and a bit in the 80's people read books and we're educated. Now people Google, and watch you tube and think 3 words in a sentence denotes intelligence. There not a chance in hell any of the shit made today would have even been made back then.
Also the Dialoge in the old ones has pacing
TNG scripts had written in the script, then they had writers on staff who did nothing but write the technobabble into the dialogue so that it was consistent. They also used a very tightly controlled formal language style that everyone used, free of contemporary slang that would date the show. The writing staff on Berman-era Star Trek was some of the best sci-fi talent in the world. They took scripts submitted by viewers and reworked them into quality productions. That's how Ronald D. Moore got his start in TV.
I really hope those writers can read Foundation series. Asimov had told us how to write a intelligence story about people solve completed issue without Technobabble.
3:41 It's not the jocks that have taken over science fiction, it's the preps. The smarmy know-it-all rich kids who love themselves some melodrama and pretentious artwork.
Astute and correct observation
you can say Californians its ok
Hey I’m poor as shit and I love pretentious art BS
@uNnHkP8mza theater kids are the ones with an unearned moral high ground who think crying in front of a crowd is how you change the world
Well nerd culture became fashionable, so then a bunch of people who aren't nerds showed up, and they way outnumbered actual nerds, so the creators started catering to this new audience. I'd say Iron Man was probably the beginning of it all, thrusting comic books into the mainstream. Then you had kind of a resurgence of Star Wars, which then both of these got picked up by Disney, which then over saw the hollowing out of the material so as to sell it to the widest audience possible, however this meant that the product was not quality and for some reason people don't seem to understand that art isn't fast food and you shouldn't strive to create the entertainment equivalent of McDonald's.
"If you're a nerd, light speed is a basic fundamental thing of physics." --Rich Evans
We don't deserve you.
Goes on to then dribble out all the times it's broken and disregarded.
It may very well be the most pretentious, idiotic thing a nerd has ever said.
I'm impressed.
Old trek science technobable worked because it was at once treated with a reverence and seriousness while paradoxically being a relatively understated element of the drama.
Now it's highlighted in neon pink and comes with a high five and a fart sound effect.
Yes. You could enjoy thinking about the science or just enjoy the rest of the show. They didn't force it.
I think the old trek technobabble doesn't really even classify as technobabble. They used pretty basic words that would give anybody an idea of what they were trying to convey, and that idea was always conveyed effectively.
"We can modulate the deflector dish to send varying frequencies and try to communicate with this alien" is easily understood as "we have found a way to communicate with this alien." It doesn't take much thinking to figure out what all of the technobabble is trying to say.
Meanwhile, in Discovery, they just throw a bunch of words together and hope nobody is actually paying attention to it. There's no substance to the technobabble. It exists solely as filler to pad out the writing and make it sound a lot more "high tech" than it needs to be. Classic example of saying a lot without saying anything at all.
In other words, Star Trek technobabble was just as stupid and cheesy, it just didn't drive the script.
@@spartan456 Unless it's Voyager. Then you can use it to pad an episode with up to 20 minutes.
A character actually says, "I like science"? How embarrassing...
Edit: That time traveling A.I. trying to merge with a giant planetoid-like ball in space to wipe out all life in the universe is a couple of the Ultron plot points in recent Marvel comics. How embarrassing...
It's star trek, it is supposed to have science. How would we know there was science if they didn't tell us?
Do you even know how writing works?
Not just any character, Spock of all people
@@yaj280 that's what makes it so much worse.
Ghost 9388 Except in Annihilation Conquest when Ultron tries to eradicate all life and fights aliens it's done well.
@@AiggEbe Avengers: age of ultron is unironically better thought off than Star Treck.
Let that sink in.
Ever since I started binging the all Star Trek rlm content, TH-cam has started advertising lines self help and suicide prevention
its probably the RLM bingeing that did that
To be fair, who hasn't considered suicide once they realize they can never be Rich Evans?
Nice suit. 😎👌
I now get substance abuse help advertisements...
Coincidence? I think not!
So basically, the new Star Trek is for people who constantly share stuff from "I Fucking Love Science" to appear smart
Yes, the kind of people who watched Big Bang Theory and thought it was a nerdy show.
It's tailor made for redditors.
So redditors.
@Wiz Even Rick and Morty was more clever than Big Bang Theory, but that's not saying much.
durhay J J Trek is for people who have no idea of science.
Wait 21 producers??? I thought he was kidding. That ludicrous
A producer is just someone who puts money into the show. I'm sure most stuff has more than 21 producers, but it's often done through a company name. Having each one on the start credits is.....yeah. "My name is on Star Trek!"
@@Edeinawc The thing is nowadays Producers expect to have some input into the shows creation simply because they helped fund it. And some producers threaten to cut funding if they don't, and something something too many cooks something something.
This indicates how big the crew is and the loads of cgi
LEGION for instance has a lot of (co/exec/...) producer mentions as well. So it's not a standalone occurrence.
Never a good sign...
Wait "I like science" was a real line?
Oh god
He can't say he likes magic, the test audience hated that!
@@DriscolDevil "I like space wizardry" -Kurtsman
It is the power of math dude. You just don't get it...
@@legbert123 There's a clip shown in the review.
I was never sure if Spock liked science or not, I'm glad he clearly stated that he did. 😁
8:14 "Oh god the first episodes they don't like 'em! Pull them out into space, let the Borg return, let Q return!"
Rlm predicting season 2 of Picard, outch
Mike incessantly steering the conversation to old Trek is all I'm here for. I'd watch a new series that is just Mike and Rich reviewing every single Star Trek episode.
@@RPMarland 😂
@timwaderoberts Seriously though. Why haven’t they done that?
There's also plenty of trashy episodes to make fun of in those old series as well. Like Threshold in Voyager or TNG Sub Rosa.
CommanderZx2 Oh god. Sub Rosa. Oh god
@@Xray330 Perhabs because of Copyright claims and takedowns. Anyone who tries to review older Trek content get hammered with the stuff, sadly.
Discovery's target audience is people whose knowledge about Star Trek is limited to the shallow references in The Big Bang Theory.
This. Exactly this.
Winner
I never seen Big Bag and I like Discovery, what are the references u speak of?
People Who grew up watching bbt
Big Bang has a much better understanding of Trek than Discovery does.
17:30 “The theme...is sloppy writing, where the writers introduce something, and then it never pays off. Ever.”
Welcome to Bad Robot Writing 101, guys.
Tannen's Mystery Box is such an unintentionally perfect metaphor - a box of surplus merchandise that nobody wanted, slickly repackaged as a novelty by a hustler, that loses value when you look inside.
@@trickster721 Mystery Box filmmaking is just a cover for bad storytelling.
i like it on LOST and ONCE, the "what is THIS now? thing" but mysteries for the sake of mysteries that answer other mysteries, but not the first one to begin with? not on Trek please.
Pffft, it's called subverting expectations you guys, you just don't know good writing! /S :p
@@mbrando4403 "ONCE"? Once upon a time?
“The Borg are back…Q is back!” Literally exactly what happened lmao
Your skit was actually somehow less awful than the actual show. Good heavens, I thought you were making fun of the dialogue, not bloody quoting it.
The fact that RLM kept saying "I hope people watched Season 3 so they know what we're talking about" shows how bad this show is. Nobody watches it, the executives at CBS think internet numbers are different than TV numbers, & Alex Kurtzman got caught fudging the numbers by showing 'impressions' which are people hating the show but talking about it.
I watch RLM's take on the show, but its not canon and like Ghostbusters will be forgotten as Hollywood purges the deadweight once it actually starts to hurt. I just wish it wouldn't take as long.
The entire skit is verbatim, except for _one_ bit which is also verbatim but not from Discovery (it's spoofing Nightflyers instead).
@Captain McDog "haha RLM are such good satirists, what a great line, 'this is the power of science' haha...wait what's that ensign sayi-...oh god. Oh god kill me."
I had no idea your parody was so accurate
They somehow made it seem better than the original.
it was a documentary
@@denkerbosu3551 That's because the show expects you to take it seriously
If anything it's worse in reality as not only is it dumb as a brick it also has short term memory problems that prevents it remembering anything it ever said more than 3 episodes in the past.
@@90lancaster Based on these comments RLM videos about Star Trek getting better ratings than STD.
Mike- “Why don’t we build a set?”
Rich- “We..... yeah, or I’ll build the whole thing while you drink and wait for me to say wurds wrong.”
Rich: Star Trek Discovery is the dumbest written show on television.
Star Trek Picard: Hold my tea, earl grey, decaf.
😂😂😂😂
Anyone who says "I like science" or "this is the power of math!" like they are speaking to people who don't value math or science acumen, on a ship full of scientists, engineers and explorers...should be immediately recognized as an imposter who not only doesn't like math or science, but has no business on a starship.
....and should subsequently be shot out of the nearest airlock, posthaste.
Imagine going to a hospital and a doctor is just shouting "yay surgery! I love that shit!"
The applause after is probably the worst part. Some ensign/lt jr grade just going "Wait, why are we clapping? Aren't we at work??"
Please don't ever say you "over-analyze" this. That's their defense. You just want a science fiction show that makes sense.
They do over analyze. They’re absolutely right in that statement. The problem is they don’t need to nitpick and overanalyze to be frustrated with the terrible story of this or picard. It’s surface level bad. Diving deeper just exposes it on a more fundamental level to those who may see this and realize what honest fans want and crave is legitimately good stories. And the main issue there is there isn’t a huge market for that currently, which is why all your favourite major franchises are churning out shit. And remakes are in abundance, studios got fat and lazy. The only option left is to fight with your wallet. Stop bankrolling the shit.
@@L4nd0C4lr1s14n No, I disagree. Part of the fun of this is they analyze it. Yes, on the surface level you have to be a moron not to see all the stupid inconsistencies and have failed science in grade school BADLY.
However, it's quite enjoyable to pick the corpse down to the bone.
For a SCIENCE fiction show, the writers sure don't give a damn about science. They don't care even a LITTLE bit about getting science right, even on a completely superficial level. They don't care about having a coherent plot, they don't even care about having human beings act like actual human beings.
The ONLY thing in the current incarnations of Star Trek (or Star Wars for that matter) are mindless, stupid, action scenes, and the LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFORT POSSIBLE to make an excuse for yet another mindless, stupid, action scene.
@@L4nd0C4lr1s14n I disagree. They don’t overanalyze. If you’re watching something and an event happens that takes you completely out of the show, it’s an issue. They’re just actively watching what is happening in front of them the way humans used to. Most people watch shit like STD (Yep) and are doing random things in the background so they don’t catch how dumb it really is. RLM watches things in a focused manner and when you do that it’s easy to catch dumb shit people say.
@@richardwicks4190 lol "youd need at least a B in science class to understand"
All I want is a show that I can't easily see through. It takes me so far out of it when it's written by dozens of people that should have an education relative to mine to draw from... I can't find that these days
Star Trek is about unraveling mysteries and solving moral quandaries with a sci-fi backdrop.
Nu-Trek is explosions and drama and expensive CGI with no context or reason.
And don't forget lens flares and blinding lights everywhere
nu- Trek, lol! you sir understand this madness. ( tips hat)
But if you like made up science... Like the Vulcans... or the throbbing power of math.
"It's the power of math, people!"
I cringe so hard on that line, my bumhole retreated into my stomach.
Its not the jocks who have taken over sci-fi. Its the theater kids
HOLY SHIT. That is amazing. Yes
Right in one
Not quite. It's members of a notoriously nepotistic Tribe which is particularly prominent in Hollywood (and includes Abrams, Kurtzman, Lindelhoff, and practically everyone else in charge in ST and SW now) who are absolutely reveling in shitting all over your beloved cultural icon.
Even worse, it's theater kids who spend the whole movie f*cking around with their phones. The movie is just background noise to them.
@@ThepurposeofTime "theatre culture" doesn't necessarily mean modern-day theatre kids
"He punches Borg cubes with spaceship hands" is the only logical progression for Star Trek
I hope he throws the Sun like a MLB pitcher, big wind up and everything
This hurts my soul
Sadly not, instead Rich's idea of a giant robot is far more likely, as they can easily turn that into a "Starship Enterprise Transforming Mech™" toy, to help kick off star trek into star wars levels of rampant consumerism.
That's literally Gurren Lagann, do these frauds secretly watch anime
@@sharpen193 if this was Gurren Laggann, he would fly the enterprise into a borg cube and assimilate it, becoming the ultra enterprise
47:57 "I can't watch any more of this."
See you guys in a few months for the first of several Discovery season 3 reviews.
It's going to take a lot more time.
Season 3 of Discovery is in limbo, because Netflix refused to finance it. Nobody else has taken the bid.
Picard is financed by Amazon, and first screening were disaster.
"The Borg's back! Q's back!"
Mike throwing out shitty, dumb ideas that hack writers and producers would fall back on due to a complete lack of creativity... ahh. It does the heart good.
Ahem
*Yum yum*
@@logicplague Yep, and I'm not sure if this makes me happy or sad.
omg that's just so phantastic. i can't stop laughing :D
Dude... I started watching Star Trek TNG and DS9 because of you guys. I've actually enjoyed it tremendously, so thank you for that.
Same here one of the best decisions I've made.
DS9 is fucking the best, TNG is great to though obviously.
if you havent watched, be aware, Enterprise has a slow, rough start, like TNG before it, but it becomes very good.. honestly become one of my favorite... use to be tng but thats below TOS now that i re-watched all of trek.. end to end... ent,ds9(babylon5 rippoff), voyager/tos, tng, the movies...honestly, tng makes me cringe hard often, the "boys will be boys" "men never grow up" etc... androphobic shit
Thats great! TNG and DS9 are some of the best sci-fi TV ever made.
Enterprise is really good, ignore the hate and try it. It's fun watching Captain Archer make it up as he goes along and then in the 3rd season he really becomes the 'captain'. It's great.
"Yay science" is such a cringy modern film trope.
Yeah, it was cool in Breaking Bad, because it worked in context. When Tilly says it, she's surrounded by 23rd Century officers and crew of a starship. None of them should be surprised or impressed that *science* works!
@@PetersonZF it was like they saw that clip from Breaking Bad not realising that the joke was that Jesse doesn't understand science
That line fits about as well in Star Trek as it does in Shakespeare.
I blame big bang theory for this fake nerd chic crap and 'science, fuck yeah' attitude
@@scottwallace5239 I'd add Harry Potter to that list. All those kids grew up to be fake geeks.
And now that Picard is out, it IS about action and blowing up planets. They even threw in some torture and murder for poor Icheb.
And made a beloved character into a feeble, annoying old man who gets berated almost every episode and meekly takes it. Good job STP writers. May your souls forever writhe and burn in the unending and tumultuous depths of Writer Limbo.
So like I just finished watching all of Voyager the other day for the first time. A few months ago I watched all of Picard, I didn't realize who Icheb was in Picard until just now. I am devastated.
some of TNG's best episodes had almost no special effects, they were character driven, simple in premis but executed to perfection, aspiring to be '12 angry men' rather than transformers, THAT is Discoverys biggest problem
that's because TNG is thoughtful and has humility, something extremely rare in the evolving monster that is modern Hollywood.
"The Inner Light," "Cause and Effect," "Sarek," "Reunion," to name a few...
@@saberiandream316 all my favorites ✅ 🎯 also uhh.. the one with roga danar 😂 fuck i forget the name. Dude was badass
@@Enoch420 Damar was in a lot of episodes.
"Thats the power of math people!! *applause" is something you'd expect from a video trying to get 9-year-olds to do their times tables
I expected that guy who said "You are right! congratulations ensign!" to give her a participating trophy.
@@theknightsofawesomeness2701 the character clearly is very special!
"I miss Star Trek." - The collective feeling of most of the fanbase, summed up by Rich Evans.
That was more poignant than anything on STD.
We do have proper Star Trek though, it's called *"The* *Orville"* 😂😂
@@ZeroRyoko One day I'll bite down on a belt, get through my dislike of Seth MacFarlane and give The Orville a chance.
@@nexviper Yeah I can't fucking stand his humour any more. Family guy first 2 seasons were funny at the time, but beyond that it's just cringe.
I would like Mike and Rich to do a season by season review of all the old Star Trek seasons. Talk about why they are superior and maybe discuss some of the topics that are brought up in them.
Yes
>season by season
episode by episode would be better
@@va.melnyk While all the Hardcore Trek fans would love an episode by episode review, I dont think most people who watch RLM are hardcore Trek fans and that would be asking too much work for what I would would be too little views. So If they go season by season and discuss the important episodes it might draw in more views and maybe some non fans in the Star Trek verse.
@@soeveth I'm a hardcore Trekkie, and adore everything Mike/Plinkett points out.
@@colonelquack So am I and love it when they go off topic to talk about the good old times. Which is why I want more.
I feel like we need a supercut of all the "lofty dialogue that's meant for people to cry butterfly tears at." The "never again will you have to fight alone" in this episode is one, and Burnham's stupid "reach for them! They will guide you!" is another.
It's the TV/Film dialogue equivalent of a "live, laugh, love" poster.
Rich looks so disheveled in this. Discovery is taking a toll on his health.
Mike keeps destroying his medication.
Taking a toll on mine too
I can't tell if that's his "costume" or if he just rolled out of bed to film this video.
"It's Emotional Gloss Over Nonsense" that needs to be in a Star Trek Discovery Ad.
Tbh Mike, "the sun is a semi-permanent explosion" is probably the most accurate way to define it. Doctor Who even used that idea back when it used to be a good show.
Doctor who was never a good show. Mind you, I love doctor who.
I tried watching the reboot. Once the pig-men started farthing or something I was so out.
"Explosion-implosion at equilibrium for a extended period of time would be better."
That's not really any more accurate.
@@bebaguette766 I thought the farting was just a dumb joke when I was a kid, it wasn't till I got older that I appreciated what they're actually trying to say i.e. politicians do nothing but blow hot gas out of their arses.
40:10 you were spot on. The writers admitted not having finished the script when shooting begun
Not to mention, the "we're surrounded!" moment, followed by a shot showing them being surrounded in a 2D circle.
They didn't play enough Homeworld. Or any flight sims.
@@mustlovedragons8047 Bitches don't know 'bout my Z axis
@@Vindsvelle Z-AXIS IN THE HOOOUUUSSE!!
The picard maneuver employed the Z axis on screen as well.
It's a clown ship that's how they fit all those mini-fighters in the hangar.
An annoying clown ship at that!
It's the Tardis
18:35 Twenty-one producer credits? Jesus H Christ. Here's an idea: fire TWENTY of those producers and hire 1 or 2 WRITERS.
Clint Keepin, yeah, isn't it something about getting around the screenwriters guild by hiring "producers" who are effectively writers
REAL writers.
Not more of the Jar Jar crew like Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof. Or those fuckers that did Game of... whatever.
_”The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the massive producer guild of STD as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.”_
Mike: they say it’s not gonna be about about blowing up planets
Rich: I don’t believe them
Nailed it
I like listening to Rich Evans talk about things I don't care about.
Here here!
Fédération should build à ship entierly made of blast door...
Classic.
Is that was what Janeway's timeship armor was made of?
You a funny guy
@@SuperDevolution - no, they need to make planes out of the same materials as children's toys, because you will always find one of those singed, but otherwise intact, in the wreckage.
@@possiblepilotdeviation5791 fay day ration
I haven't watched a single episode but watched all these reviews. You guys take care of it for me. Thanks.
"We endure it so you don't have to!"
See also: DC Cinematic Universe
James Fleming yeah, I will never watch it - glad they took the bullet for me
"It's a giant explosion that just keeps happening."
Best description of the sun, ever. Mike Stoklasa.
"Yeah, Mr. White! Yeah, SCIENCE!!!"
- Jesse Pinkman
Writers of STD must've loved that scene.
The problem is that that scene was purposefully funny, whereas the “power of math” line was... supposed to be inspiring? Idk.
@@bencarlson4300 Also Walter didn't clap and high five him. He looked at him like he was an idiot.
@@peelsreklaw Walter: "And now, what shall we use to conduct this beautiful current with, hm? What one particular element comes to mind, hm? Hmm?"
Jesse: "hmm......WIRE"
I hate quantum particles, are rough, small and get everywhere
Mixed Bag Clips Even if you sweep them all up, more particles just pop into existence in the vacuum of space. Yeah, they are a problem.
It's better than space fungus and water bear-pigs that snort it.
@@Corbomite_Meatballs 😂😂😂😂😂
Damn you!
A dark plot, war, themes of religion, section 31, questioning the prime directive/ the federations values, strong female character, and flawed characters with interesting back stories really made for an amazing series.
God I love DS9.
DS9 is the reason why Star Trek became subversive garbage.
GeorgeMonet Great innovation led to a sad sad replication
@@GeorgeMonet Often you'll have something good, that tests boundaries, and then hacks will copy it and turn everything to shit. Nirvana was good, but its legacy and copycats ultimately hurt rock music. Dark Knight Returns was a great comic, but its legacy and copycats damaged comics. Ultimately you can't blame something good and nuanced for being imitated by hacks with no subtlety... you blame the hacks doing the copying and the corporate suits ordering the copying because they're scared of real risk and think that copying something that WAS risky is the next best thing.
YEAH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@GeorgeMonet I disagree, DS9 wasn't that well received back then and they wen't back to classic with VGR and ENT. JJ and Kurtzman would be the one to blame for the latest subversive garbage. TNG movie was the tipping point where they understood that stupid and violent sells more than smart and pacifist
Without even realizing it, when they were talking about starship sized mech suits throwing suns and planets, they were more or less describing Gurren Lagann. And honestly, if Star Trek Picard had suddenly turned into Gurren Lagann partway through, that would have been much better than what we actually got.
Oh fuck, I just made this comment but in more detail
I said that too, Picard becoming Simon and fighting the Antispiral would probably have been a better show...
STD: AI = evil
ST:oP: AI = evil
Kurtzman is such a profound writer.
How does he still have a job that’s what I want to know
Pizzagate confirmed.
@@italianstallion7272 "Connections".
Also, he just straight up ripped off Mass Effect's shitty ending plot. He couldn't even steal good sci-fi.
"STD" what an awful acronym
@uNnHkP8mza Thank you, I was hoping someone said it.
"I like science"
Mister Spock, you're a Vulcan. Your entire species's culture is centered around math, science, and logic. Not only is you uttering that line out loud terrible and cringe-inducing, it's also ridiculous coming from someone who had undoubtedly had science and math drilled into his head throughout his lifetime.
Literally every aspect of most Federation cultures is completely dominated by scientific progress and centered on technological advancement. It is ridiculous and cringe-worthy coming from basically anyone who's ever worked for Starfleet and so is the "power of math" line.
@stevie bops
Exactly these are people are highly trained officers they shouldn't be saying that. Unless they have a layman from earth who hasn't join the academy.
Don’t blame the man, when your mom is Winona Ryder, you’re probably all messed up in the head.
It would be like of someone from the south said "i like racism"
Just try to imagine Nimoy saying it.
When you have writers that "like science" sexually, you end up with an ST:D.
Holy fuck
It's not even the concept of math or science, it's literally just the *words* math and science. They reduced "math" and "science" to internet memes for an audience of people that doesn't know what they are, but they sure do love them.
The Big Bang Theory
"This is the power of math, people!"
*And then, everybody clapped.*
"You're right about that, ensign."
*And then, they fucking high five.*
😶😟😖🤢🤮☠
That made my skin crawl and my entire body cringe.
That's what happens when people who are big in the "I fucking love science" crowd write shows.
That's what happens when you have jocks, hipsters, etc, basically anyone but people honestly interested in even a small way in science try to write science fiction.
I just watched at TNG outtakes reel where LaForge and Worf high-five each other behind Picard's back when their names are mentioned
That only works as an outtake because it is *so out of character* and stupid for them to do that it becomes funny...
"yum yum"
@@hitomisalazar4073 it's still nerds writing it. they're just not talented writers