Why Leaf Springs Suck & How To Set Them Up The Right Way

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  • @MischiefMakerTV
    @MischiefMakerTV 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    This is getting good 😀🙌🏻
    Remember to vote daily people!!!

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks Hollie! 💙

  • @xfactor5876
    @xfactor5876 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The technical how to parts are why I started watching BleepinJeep so many years ago and why I support as a Patreon member. Love that stuff!! LOL! Harbor Freight moving dolly's. I have moved so many axles that same way.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Right on!

  • @MacsSpecialitiesMotorsports
    @MacsSpecialitiesMotorsports 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    9:28 Keep the 5th wheel hitch and build a Overland Trailer for you and Joshy!!

  • @JonnyDIY
    @JonnyDIY 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video Matt and Josh. I enjoyed the teachings you did about the leaf springs etc 👏🙌👍

  • @maddogjodie1891
    @maddogjodie1891 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I own a 1st gen dodge myself, 1983 D350, to tow my 1998 jeep XJ around, and well…. Im loving this build. Thanks Matt @bleepinjeep for the entertainment and the knowledge you share !

  • @ElbowEyE
    @ElbowEyE 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love how you explain the workings of all involved. Especially how the shackle works with the leaf spring. You and Colt proved leaf springs still work on last onX challenge

  • @ryanreaves1203
    @ryanreaves1203 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I had really good luck running 7" long shackles on my k5 blazer because it allows it to flex really well but also allows the leaf spring to be closer to the frame giving it a lower ride height because the shackle ends up sitting flatter.

  • @burgpath7777
    @burgpath7777 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I appreciate taking time to let us understand your plan and thinking. This was a great video. Using the tractor as a weight was funny!
    Wonder if.the Jag would have been better on the Yota?

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's way too big

  • @redbeastadventures
    @redbeastadventures 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I keep voting for you guys. Hopefully some other folks will vote as well, so we can get you closer to the top. 😎

  • @sh-df1bb
    @sh-df1bb 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I still look forward to your new videos even after all these years Great content as always

  • @kevinjohnston1957
    @kevinjohnston1957 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    In 1978 Scooby and the gang found a beast in the Amazon that was half Jaguar and half Gorilla. It was called Jaguaro. It would have been scarier if it has half Dodge. Hope you see this it might help if you name your new creation. Speaking of Hope...say Hi for me. I always look forward to seeing what's for lunch as I eat my air sandwich. I have no hope of someone to bring me lunch. Hi to Josh as well. You three are great entertainment. Thank you from Canada.

  • @BlackAndBlueGarage
    @BlackAndBlueGarage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I might install a mini winch at the back of my shop to pull vehicles in. Might be worth doing something like this at your place; one in each corner probably. The small ones are about $100 a piece and can be bolted to the floor with anchor bolts. (Red Head) Is a good anchor.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would be a good idea, I've gotta be careful as there's water pipes in the floor 🙄

    • @BlackAndBlueGarage
      @BlackAndBlueGarage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bleepinjeep oh! I forgot you got the Fancy stuff. I'll let you know how it works out, should be getting it together tomorrow 👍🏻

  • @technical19d34
    @technical19d34 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My XJ needs leaf springs and I am not looking forward to replacing rusted in 24 year old springs. The centerline studs are gone now so the axle shifts just a little bit when taking off from a light....easy does it!

  • @Omax427
    @Omax427 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Little tips next time you try to put weight on the front (for settling down the leaf)
    Take a jack under your axle, pass a chain underneath it then go wrap around a crossmember or frame...
    Pump the jack and it will collapse your suspension!👍

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks for the tips! I'll have to try that

    • @Garth2011
      @Garth2011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Or a flat strap

    • @Omax427
      @Omax427 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      But with the jack its easy... I bet using the ratchet strap after a couple of click, you gonna have a hard time collapsing those leaf!

  • @muddyWW
    @muddyWW 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Why didn't you use the springs from the Dodge? The axle you replaced was a D60 so it should of bolted right in. They were longer which gives a little more suspension travel, the springs already was able to support the weight of the engine and you could always pull or add leaves (from the Toyota maybe) to adjust ride comfort/suspension travel/ ride height. The body looks high enough that you probably don't need a ton of lift and like you said you could always drop the front mount down a little and add longer shackles ( I think the sliders would be better and custom mount them like the Comanche). Those Toyota leafs look too short and too much arched for good suspension travel

    • @Garth2011
      @Garth2011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I'm sure they thought of that too. I did the same in wondering about that. We'll probably find out in the next few videos.

    • @jordantrujillo293
      @jordantrujillo293 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I was wondering the same thing, just swap the axle and leave the springs.

    • @williamherring5441
      @williamherring5441 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      One guess is the Toyota springs might be shorter which gives up travel, but they are softer and might flex better with the diesel.

    • @Gunpla-Slinger
      @Gunpla-Slinger 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      When it comes to King Pin 60s about 10% of the parts are interchangeable. Ford is an oddball, GM and Dodge use a hand full of the same parts and don't even bring up the international or Jeep 60s. The Yota has a GM 60, the hubs are the giveaway. He cant use the factory dodge spring setup because the axle out of the Yota has been narrowed. you can tell this by the length of the long tube on the axle. Its shorter than the the one the Dodge 60 (GM 60s are wider than the Dodge 60). As for the spring, Having a shorter length spring makes it easier to move the axle forward. The factory dodge springs were to long and put the tire into the body. You can compensate for soft springs by adding to the spring pack (which would be a good idea) or get a custom set made.

    • @muddyWW
      @muddyWW 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Gunpla-Slinger In the video at first the shackle doesn't line up with the driver side frame rail, after a cutaway and the next clip the shackles are mounted to both frame rails, the front mounts also look to line up with frame rails. So either that means the spring perch (other side is cast in the diff) has not been moved on the Toyota axle or they did some "magical stuff" that wasn't filmed or shown. The factory Dodge 60 and a factory GM 60 spring perches only are a 1/2" different from each other.
      Moving the axle forward with the shorter springs does make sense, but they are using the Dodge factory location for the spring shackles and you can see in the video that the front hangers are away from the factory location on the Dodge. So their plan to move the axle forward using the shorter springs doesn't pan out. You can take the Dodge springs and re-drill the center pin location letting you move the axle forward. But that might not be needed as you can re-drill the holes in the spring perches (if they aren't all ready there) and move the axle forward that way. Or even make some offset plates that move the axle forward and back. And before anyone says that the spring will crack at a new drilled center hole has either never done it or did it wrong. I've re-drilled 2 sets so far and never had them crack at the hole, I've had them crack at the spring eye.

  • @BroncoPatriot
    @BroncoPatriot 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This thing is going to be awesome!

  • @BlackAndBlueGarage
    @BlackAndBlueGarage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thoroughly enjoying this 😌

  • @Gunpla-Slinger
    @Gunpla-Slinger 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you want to run 15s and no spacer you need to Grind about 1/4 inch off the top of the caliper of do a 3/4 ton brake conversion.

  • @mh-qq2hj
    @mh-qq2hj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think it’s going to be pretty sick when it’s all done! Look at the morrvair! Who would have thought a corvair wagon rock crawler could be a good idea? I love that thing. Why not a jag?

  • @Mickale-Moranis
    @Mickale-Moranis 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cut the hood/fender well in 1/2 or so and extend it forward to maintain the Jaguar front look. Maybe look at a split opening sort of thing for engine access...front forward tilts, rear upward lifts.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would require about 13" of stretch and wouldn't be a great approach angle in the end.

  • @Jamisons_World
    @Jamisons_World 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    10:20 - The sand gets everywhere lol I took my dad’s Meyers Manx drag buggy to the dunes one time long ago and more than a decade later I STILL find sand in various nooks and crannies 😂😂😂

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Omg it's insane

  • @pmrparts
    @pmrparts 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Did you consider using a solid mount in the back and shackles on the front?

  • @Trixiconjeep
    @Trixiconjeep 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Making plans to meet you guys at Leatherwood Kentucky Off-road Park July 19-20!!!

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nice, see you there!

  • @jimtroyer1804
    @jimtroyer1804 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I would have never guessed Rudy and Robbie would have their act together compared to the rest of the builders for the on X challenge. As far as "overlanders" go, this Jag misses the intention or purpose of the challenge, which is a vehicle to live out of while traveling off road. Robbie is the only vehicle that is even close.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's the only one building an overlander. Onx never specified it had to be an overlander. But either way, the best vehicle for overlanding has to be a truck, and that's what we are building

  • @Garth2011
    @Garth2011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Lots is involved in this kind of work. I'd like to know how the measurements are made when the two frame halves were mated to keep left and right rails exactly the same position to prevent crab tracking or thrust angle, wheelbase etc. Same with the changes in the leaf spring mounts...those also have to be front to back in the exact place for wheelbase dimensions and side to side for "thrust angle" for lack of a better term. I guess in the next few videos that will be explained and shown.
    Would love to see this all finished and placed on a 4 wheel alignment machine !!

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      You're overthinking how a machine made for crawling over boulders at 1 mph needs to be laser straight. We are getting things really straight for sure but it could be off by inches and you'd probably never notice. This is a rock crawler trailer queen with non dot full hydro steering and non dot beadlocks. Not a highway driver.

    • @Garth2011
      @Garth2011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@bleepinjeep Okay, I was leaning that way but figured any accuracy gained would be a better result. I know filming is a job and was only wondering how the frame rails and spring mounts were being "squared up" since that wasn't shown or discussed. No complaints.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It's cool, we are actually using a laser level. You'll see a little bit of that when we show the rear suspension going in. As for the front leafs we are re using the factory holes on the rear and enlarging then so those are square then we just line up the fronts.

  • @4HIGHGARAGE
    @4HIGHGARAGE 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Probably mentioned already but you could do a front shackle so the axle moves away from the foot well when the spring compresses.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes for sure, there are many pros to that setup but some cons as well. Lots of one ton CJ and YJ swaps were setup like that back in the day.

  • @MrSnowlver
    @MrSnowlver 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ideally you want your shackle to be vertical when fully loaded and at ride height. Ff you remove weight it will look like it did on the toyota. If it leans too much with the top toward front, the spring will bind. Springs get longer when they compress

  • @shanewright6958
    @shanewright6958 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looking good 👍👍

  • @steven.h0629
    @steven.h0629 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Crazy ride 👍😎✊

  • @stevefontaine9017
    @stevefontaine9017 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interested in the slider box.. in an ideal setup, should it be in the center of the travel at ride height? I have extended shackles and was thinking of converting to slider boxes as my leaf springs need replacing anyways.

  • @Garth2011
    @Garth2011 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    With big tires like those, will the stock brakes be able to stop as well? Huge tires make a ton of geometry changes from initial designs as do lifting suspension and bodies. I changed tire diameters by only a couple of inches (30") from stock on a 1/2 ton suburban one time and found the brakes didn't work so good when trying to stop from 65 MPH to zero.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      There's things you can do with the booster and such but it's usually fine. These are 1 ton brakes on a one ton axle and this thing will never see 65 mph.

  • @antiricergt
    @antiricergt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    On my 94 YJ I plan on doing a 4 link in the rear and keeping leaf springs in the front. Motobilt has a nice 4 link kit. I’ll be doing a lot of googling I’ve never done anything like this before.
    What’s your opinion on this? I got a Chinese locker on Amazon for a Dana 35. Do you think I should risk installing it? I’m going to be swapping the Dana 35 for a 8.8 but haven’t bought the 8.8 yet. I understand it’s best to do a front locker 1st?
    The brand of the locker is Koomaha.

  • @GadgetBiker
    @GadgetBiker 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'd cut the front fenders, make them longer by 6 inches and move the axle forward. Won't rub in the footwell and gives clearance up front.

  • @KyleC2OO7
    @KyleC2OO7 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great build/video!

  • @Ken19700
    @Ken19700 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a reason why you didn't install the engine and driveline before the front axle?

  • @edwardsimmons3721
    @edwardsimmons3721 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Enjoying the fabrication on this build.

  • @SOLDADITO76
    @SOLDADITO76 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you don't have the cash to buy steel braided brake hoses on a Toyota, get a rear rubber hose to extend the brake line. This will work on the rear as well as the front. Works well if you have some extra laying around.

  • @adamsonofdon2766
    @adamsonofdon2766 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That handheld light with stand you have the whole video, where could one find one of them? Great stuff man

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mine are older apparently they don't make them anymore but this will give you a start. Something like this: amzn.to/45PDOPS

  • @Mike-xn1bh
    @Mike-xn1bh หลายเดือนก่อน

    What are the pros and cons of a leaf spring slider instead of the shackle?

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Check out the comancheep series

    • @Mike-xn1bh
      @Mike-xn1bh หลายเดือนก่อน

      @ I couldn’t find the exact video you performed the install. Can you provide the link here, please? Are they any good for a front shackle on a tall mud truck with high-arch lift springs? I can’t find any that fit 3” wide springs. Thanks

  • @BlackAndBlueGarage
    @BlackAndBlueGarage 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ill have to watch the rest late but its looking awesome guys 👍🏻🤌🏻👌🏻

  • @Nickwillfixit
    @Nickwillfixit 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Building a frame from scratch would have been a far easier, safer and quicker, and not to mention the cost, chopping up three vehicles to bodge one together not a brite move in my books, so far I cant see you winning the challenge at the moment. So I am not sure whether to vote for you yet.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm gonna say negative on all 3 of those. Building a frame from scratch would be cool, but its not cheaper, not faster, and definitely not easier. The rear will however be a custom ladder bar frame out back. Stay tuned for that.

    • @shanevonharten3100
      @shanevonharten3100 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@bleepinjeep. Definitely a simple frame lol. If you couldn't build that in 1 day you should give up

  • @trappedinkalifornee
    @trappedinkalifornee 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I am amazed that the jag monocoque is rust free enough to beat on with a hammer!🤔😃😋

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Monocoque, gonna have to look that up 🫣

    • @GodforsakenCustoms
      @GodforsakenCustoms 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Unibody ​@@bleepinjeep

  • @deshb22
    @deshb22 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So did you have a falling out with Colt?
    It seems like he's doing all sorts of collaborations on his new channel but I'm sort of surprised to see that you guys haven't done anything

  • @foygill711
    @foygill711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You make using leaf springs different from coil springs but you still have to determine the correct spring rate . A spring is a spring

  • @bluerhino_jk
    @bluerhino_jk 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video on many reasons why to never to use leaf springs. 😂 should just convert it to coil and be done with it.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They work great and are a cheap option, plus add stability. Just suck getting set up.

  • @ecurb2
    @ecurb2 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tubers love Hope the beautiful "lunch lady". :)

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Me too!

  • @bradfisher9523
    @bradfisher9523 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    aww hell no i love this build

  • @RedRabbit4230
    @RedRabbit4230 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hit them like you HATE THEM Josh!!!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @719Mitch
    @719Mitch 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sweet

  • @murryhowell6711
    @murryhowell6711 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Those leaf spring measurements will change due to the difference in weight from the toyota engine to diesel

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. Like I said, it's just for reference of how it was previously setup

  • @freeidaho-videos
    @freeidaho-videos 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Definitely interesting, like watching a high-speed train derailment in super slow motion.

  • @darrenbauer4985
    @darrenbauer4985 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A cummins engine weight about 1700lbs, just FYI-

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow thats a lot

  • @lynnvinzant9955
    @lynnvinzant9955 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why not put the Jag on the Toyota frame?

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Jag is big behemoth, yota is ity bity toy

  • @jeremylivengood515
    @jeremylivengood515 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You better re Grove those those tires

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ohh we will for sure

  • @lukesworkout2232
    @lukesworkout2232 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    19:18 you're welcome

  • @kr812
    @kr812 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    why not just section the hood and fender out/ forward to maintain look between your pink tape

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because in rock crawling you want the front tire in front of the front bumper if at all possible for approach angle reasons. Need that nose as short as possible.

  • @jelly7310
    @jelly7310 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Josh looks like Max Sherzer

  • @irvineyoung4545
    @irvineyoung4545 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well, apparently the problem with your dad's truck tires was the operator's error. All you had to do was debead the odd-weight tires and then rotate them 180 degrees.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What are we talking about here, you said the same thing a couple videos back. I'm lost.

  • @thephilosopher13
    @thephilosopher13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The springs were tight cause the bracket couldn’t move much lol. And it looks like your badlands jack was against a brace… lol

  • @kenbrewer2322
    @kenbrewer2322 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why are you tearing the Toyota apart? It looks like it’s a pretty good unit.

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You'd have to watch the $6500 video for that answer

  • @dennisgriffin5323
    @dennisgriffin5323 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do u want to sell the dodge axle

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Sure, make an offer

  • @rjm7168
    @rjm7168 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I'd vote fir you but I don't want an Onyx Off-road subscription

    • @JasonRutan-rv3dj
      @JasonRutan-rv3dj 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You don't have to have a subscription he tells you that in the beginning of the video but you didn't listen to him tell you how to do it

    • @Gunpla-Slinger
      @Gunpla-Slinger 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      you don't need to subscribe, they are the sponsor. If you like to hike or enjoy the outdoors its a good app to check out.

  • @sarahstephens5966
    @sarahstephens5966 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Leafs rule. They're cheap, readily available, never fail, and can carry insane weight. There's no better way to locate a live rear axle, even if it's a steerable D60 with D70 gears in it.

  • @TwistedOff
    @TwistedOff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    👍

  • @jameskendrick573
    @jameskendrick573 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Alcan leaf spring rorery Irish trail matter

  • @larryalexander4833
    @larryalexander4833 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hay good Sunday Afternoon everyone. Appreciate the video and the wrenching 🛠️🪛🔨🇺🇸🏁 And just want say let Jesus Christ come into your life and heart he is the answer through it all ✝️🙏👍

  • @xTinBenderX
    @xTinBenderX 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All our viewers are wrong about their opinions on this build.
    PLEASE VOTE FOR US!!!
    🤣🤣🤣

  • @baldhead7705
    @baldhead7705 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    As tall as it is and as long as that front end is you're not going to be able to see anything in front of you maybe 15 20 ft out in front

    • @bleepinjeep
      @bleepinjeep  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ya like I said... monster truck!

  • @aaronb7990
    @aaronb7990 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    🤘😎👍

  • @stevencraig6576
    @stevencraig6576 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wouldn’t it have been easier to reuse the Toyota frame and just motor swap it? Then drop the other body on it…

  • @kaboom4679
    @kaboom4679 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Torsion bars swallow ...

  • @jud5280
    @jud5280 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    push spacer i might br drunk

  • @henray76
    @henray76 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    streach the dog house

  • @IsmailNuzaifKokky
    @IsmailNuzaifKokky 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

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