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That Luke dude killed them all of the line every single time! Driving skills making up for the 50hp less, street tires, in a way heavier car. Driver made all the difference, great job!
The fk8 likely had wider tyres and slightly more weight on the nose helping get off the line, plus the eg has track tyres which in cold conditions won't help it either. The extra power is wasted on the eg as as they're unable to get it down.
FK2 just has superior technology/modern design which lets it accelerate better low down (not sure if this has some kind of ECU programmed traction control), the EG/EP using just brute force. Good race though, pretty close all round!
Fk2 got wider Tires = Better Traction and little bit longer gears that’s why it put down his power so well… Stock gearbox in Turbo ep3‘s are garbage. I got my self longer gears and longer final drive i can put in 2nd gear 480bhp with full traction down
The FK2 has had shade thrown at it from the day it was produced. Half a decade on and its finally showing its potential and hopefully getting the love it deserves.
I LOVE this type of car content. Its safe.....its safe, and you get to see them drive it like they stole it. But at the same time you get to see some decent real numbers. I see more smiles on this than the street single car stuff. There's a great sense of freedom driving down an airstrip with zero obstacles in front of you. keep it up Jamie i'm sure you have a huge queue of people wanting to do battle
@@GEARED_MrLucas As opposed to what modern engine series in this video?. That's like me saying "I love the sound of old school nissan v6s, even tho that GTR sounds good" but I'm pointing at 3 vhr38's. So yeah. Precisely what you said. Because it's not b-series. K20a and K20c sounds exactly the same when boosted, so I'm still waiting on a point.
@@meusana3681 I don't get what your point is to be honest 😄 K20A and K20C are completely different engines altogether. VTEC even works in a different way on a K20C. As for them sounding the same for when boosted... I'm not sure if you're joking? K20A and K20A2 - 2001 K20C1 - 2015 Big difference in years and technology. Obviously K20A's are not as old as B18's and B16's, but it's still an old VTEC engine that is no longer produced.
Not gonna lie I had a massive smile on my face throughout this video. The new build done well (ep3 but alot of lag in the middle of the revs) the fk2 driver can drive and the eg it just mental and my favourite 👍
Awesome video guys. I am an ex Fk2 owner. I was litterally screaming with joy when fk won... Big up to the driver.. He did a great job on street tyres. Really thought the eg would walk this drag. We need more videos like this please
The fk2 had way fatter tires and better traction even from roll the ep3 struggled for traction you can see it hitting the limiter on roll races struggling for traction and the fk2 pulling away
Ep3 owner was kind of silly for taking the hood off. Yeah you're going to save like 10kg which will make stuff all different but you're going to trapping all that air in the engine bay which is going to cause heaps of drag making the car slower
Well great content Honda heaven right there. Man in the fk2 did brilliantly knows how to drive that car, Eg has so much more in the higher end, I think you need to do this again with an fn2 turbo and fk8 to represent.
The launches from the fk2 are 👌 props to the driver as the suspension geometry of the fk2 and fk8 upfront make them notoriously hard to nail launch wise
Really? When I drove the fk2 it was the best fwd car I have ever driven for finding grip from a dig or a roll. I have never driven another fwd car that could find linear grip like the fk2 type r, it was awesome. I'd prefer 4wd because fwd does have its limits but the fk2 opened my eyes to how grippy and good a fwd car can be.
@@robertowen8281 don't get me wrong, the geometry is brilliant for grip and it is unbeaten for zeroing torque steer but, drag racing, the older eg and ek chassis and their front geometry with their engine positioning vs the front axle are why they hold the fwd 1/4 mile and 1/2 records 👍
Nothing special about launching that car with its weight , my leon is 389bhp and ran the same time at pod as that fk2 but my car drives it self of the line
they are notoriously to launch where there is high grip , where they wheel spin it take off beautifully :) if it grips it tries to break the front with wheel hop .
EP3 has by far the worst suspension geometry of this lot. Also seems from the video that the EP3 has a really long 1st gear ratio which made it a slug off the line compared to the other two.
EP3 nearly binned it on that last drag race, you should switch lanes to keep it even stevens as I swear down the EP3 had some serious dirt and dust to deal with!!
Yoooo that was a race!!!! I have no idea how Jamie is able to get these close battles together. This was a crazy one keep up the good work… watching from Barbados
I love these Honda showdowns. I started my mechanical experience at 14 working on cars in an all Honda car club. Do these kinds of videos are nostalgic to me. I love how this was done.
Just goes to prove that the most modern can here may be down on power but gets more of it down on the road trough superior chassis dynamics.0 TO 60 in 4.5 secs is crazy fast for a front driver ! Interesting race well done to all involved !
Just like to say the second race was the best race this channel has ever posted and I’m not a Honda fan by any stretch of the imagination. I’m actually jealous of the fun they are having !
What a video man wow!!! Proper good fun this one, credit to all of them, that EP3 didn’t do Mr MK performance any justice but honestly what a car the EG is 🤩
Oh my days! What a shoot out!!! 3 all round amazing cars. That FK2 really is a really well put together car, fair play to Luke there. It was a real underdog on paper and surprised me no end! I think the noise from that EG on full boost when they were side by side in the last race (FK2 interior, window open shot) will stick with me forever lol Shame the EP didn't have a better result on the day, once it got under way it really flew! Can't believe that was boosted in 6 hours!!!!
The first launch for all 3 drivers in the side by side race was all weak but by the third run everybody’s nerves were sorted out and made for some awesome racing. Absolutely love it!!
@@cielo20 Bro, stop your horseshit. If you knew a thing about cars you wouldn't even attempt this attention seeking nonsense. Literally the only people taking you serious are people calling you out. I read your other comments too. Theory crafting and favoritism with a distinct lack of technical knowledge.
Lad in the Fkk can 'drive' defo looked like the easier car to launch, very impressive considering power to weight. Love a boosted vtec. Peace and thanks mate Sid
I love them all, the EP3 is a favorite body style because it's closest to my Fit, the EG6 sounds amazing and is raw, but the FK2 is the one I would want to take home!
Luke smashed it. Been looking forward to this from when I saw it on his Instagram. Was worried about the competition but what a car and driver. FK2 is a great car. A lot of the old skool guys can't appreciate it. Well rounded car. Looking to get mine mapped by Paul too after I've done some more exhaust work. Can't wait now! Great result Luke 😁
Was good to see the EP3 place higher than last on the roll races haha, got a cosmic grey ep3 with black gloss wheels and the Mugen spoiler myself. Would love to charge it as its sitting 152k miles so a bit safer than boosting with a turbo. Dream is an FK2 though always wanted one over an FK8. One day.
Definitely didn’t. That EG should have been ALOT faster than it was with so much horsepower and weighing only 900kg. Go do some maths on the mph vs 1/4 mile. The EG has no where near the states power output
I have an EG N/A and one Honda S2000 AP1 Turbo. To understand how good an EG is, you have to own it and drive it as it should. We all know that the s2000 is phenomenal, even with out having one, the fact that you know that this car is a drivers car and that it is phenomenal makes you buy it. For the EG's, you don't know it until you buy one. I'm not the 0-402m kind of guy, but still, a great video.
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Dang i enjoy this...
Wanna see an all. Wheel drive rivalry bow or maybe AWD GENERATION
Should defo do a N/A VTEC race, limiter is annoying after a while (no disrespect to the cars or owners)
Nooooo, the EP got spanked 🤣 I
Makes me want an EG more though to Kswap it.
Nice to see how much faster Honda have made the FK.
Dsg guy missed a gear 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm an k20 ef9 rally car and eg6 road car fella 🤙
Eg too the to Gapalbies 👌🤣🤙
The smiles on their faces in the drags were priceless. Nothing is as much fun as a close finish
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Smiles on 2 faces
@@c4r5on88 🤣 oh yeah forgot about the 3rd dude barely cracking a smile
@@creamsoda5492 😂😂😂
@@creamsoda5492 😂😂😂
That Luke dude killed them all of the line every single time! Driving skills making up for the 50hp less, street tires, in a way heavier car. Driver made all the difference, great job!
Dude in fk2 has really sorted setup and knows how to drive. On paper he should have no chance even in drags... props to him.
He lets it ride the limiter in the early gears like youre supposed to in a high hp fwd car. Good for him
Do you think the front Diff in the newer FK is more accustomed to High power FWD setup?
The fk8 likely had wider tyres and slightly more weight on the nose helping get off the line, plus the eg has track tyres which in cold conditions won't help it either. The extra power is wasted on the eg as as they're unable to get it down.
@@Euphorica why are you supposed to ride the limiter? I dont understand how that would be better than an upshift
@@hello7533 because it bogs down and falls out of boost if you shift too soon. You are better off riding the limiter a bit in a turbo fwd honda.
Just seeing how much the lads enjoyed the close races shows why we all do this. The car scene is fantastic 👌
FK2 just has superior technology/modern design which lets it accelerate better low down (not sure if this has some kind of ECU programmed traction control), the EG/EP using just brute force. Good race though, pretty close all round!
The fk2 k20c vtec engine uses the exhaust camshaft timing to improve turbo spool up. The engine works with the turbo in that sense
Just buy a Tesla 🤔
@@johnathanpearson3203 at about 5-10 times the price and although they maybe fast, they aren’t fun like these cars are!
I may be wrong but did the FK2 hit 60 in 2nd gear while the others had to go into third? That might explain the gap in the 0-60 result.
Fk2 got wider Tires = Better Traction and little bit longer gears that’s why it put down his power so well… Stock gearbox in Turbo ep3‘s are garbage. I got my self longer gears and longer final drive i can put in 2nd gear 480bhp with full traction down
This man always bringing the most interesting races. Quality content as always. The old school EG and EK civics will always be my favourite.
For my experience bring real drivers that have a EG civic will always win . Is not the car is the drivers experience will win
Eg looks the best too, my fav civic gen
Yes sir, 💯
The FK2 has had shade thrown at it from the day it was produced. Half a decade on and its finally showing its potential and hopefully getting the love it deserves.
I LOVE this type of car content. Its safe.....its safe, and you get to see them drive it like they stole it. But at the same time you get to see some decent real numbers. I see more smiles on this than the street single car stuff. There's a great sense of freedom driving down an airstrip with zero obstacles in front of you. keep it up Jamie i'm sure you have a huge queue of people wanting to do battle
This is SICK!!!
Bro you need to get yours on here 4real
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Vtec all day
Bring down Dat awd ting man
This was my favorite OG Battles so far. Awesome stuff. That EP3 needed some semi slicks
Been buzzing for this one!!!
Can't beat the sound of Old school VTEC, but that FK2 sounds class 😍
The EP3 guy was quieter than a church mouse 😂
Not a single old school VTEC in this video mate. Literally all 3 are K20s
@@meusana3681 K20A's are over 20 years old 🤔 Just because they're not a B16 or B18....?
@@GEARED_MrLucas As opposed to what modern engine series in this video?. That's like me saying "I love the sound of old school nissan v6s, even tho that GTR sounds good" but I'm pointing at 3 vhr38's.
So yeah. Precisely what you said. Because it's not b-series. K20a and K20c sounds exactly the same when boosted, so I'm still waiting on a point.
@@meusana3681 I don't get what your point is to be honest 😄
K20A and K20C are completely different engines altogether. VTEC even works in a different way on a K20C. As for them sounding the same for when boosted... I'm not sure if you're joking?
K20A and K20A2 - 2001
K20C1 - 2015
Big difference in years and technology. Obviously K20A's are not as old as B18's and B16's, but it's still an old VTEC engine that is no longer produced.
Not gonna lie I had a massive smile on my face throughout this video. The new build done well (ep3 but alot of lag in the middle of the revs) the fk2 driver can drive and the eg it just mental and my favourite 👍
Awesome video guys.
I am an ex Fk2 owner.
I was litterally screaming with joy when fk won...
Big up to the driver.. He did a great job on street tyres.
Really thought the eg would walk this drag.
We need more videos like this please
I really enjoyed this race! Man the EG is a beast!!!!
That fk2 did a lot better than I expected, I thought the ep3 would be faster
The fk2 had way fatter tires and better traction even from roll the ep3 struggled for traction you can see it hitting the limiter on roll races struggling for traction and the fk2 pulling away
Ep3 owner was kind of silly for taking the hood off. Yeah you're going to save like 10kg which will make stuff all different but you're going to trapping all that air in the engine bay which is going to cause heaps of drag making the car slower
Ep3 guy kept hitting the brake when shifting 😆 🤣
It looked like the ep3 was stil on 215 wide tyres. Not enough for the power
100% the EP has a b.s. dyno number. 🤣🤣🤣. The dyno is probably a 10% turned up dyno
13:47 that's what it's all about. Having fun and compliment the other driver/car for taking the win. Fantastic cars, looks like a lot of fun! 😃
I feel for the guy in the EP3. He was practiacally offroading in that nearside lane.
No
Yup
He jumped the last race as well, put in .25 speed, he was almost 2 feet away before the arm drop...
Think the guy in the EP maybe needs to sit a bit closer to the wheel👀
Well great content Honda heaven right there. Man in the fk2 did brilliantly knows how to drive that car, Eg has so much more in the higher end, I think you need to do this again with an fn2 turbo and fk8 to represent.
The launches from the fk2 are 👌 props to the driver as the suspension geometry of the fk2 and fk8 upfront make them notoriously hard to nail launch wise
Really? When I drove the fk2 it was the best fwd car I have ever driven for finding grip from a dig or a roll. I have never driven another fwd car that could find linear grip like the fk2 type r, it was awesome. I'd prefer 4wd because fwd does have its limits but the fk2 opened my eyes to how grippy and good a fwd car can be.
@@robertowen8281 don't get me wrong, the geometry is brilliant for grip and it is unbeaten for zeroing torque steer but, drag racing, the older eg and ek chassis and their front geometry with their engine positioning vs the front axle are why they hold the fwd 1/4 mile and 1/2 records 👍
Nothing special about launching that car with its weight , my leon is 389bhp and ran the same time at pod as that fk2 but my car drives it self of the line
they are notoriously to launch where there is high grip , where they wheel spin it take off beautifully :) if it grips it tries to break the front with wheel hop .
EP3 has by far the worst suspension geometry of this lot. Also seems from the video that the EP3 has a really long 1st gear ratio which made it a slug off the line compared to the other two.
No blablabla, just cool cars and racing. Liking this alot
EP3 nearly binned it on that last drag race, you should switch lanes to keep it even stevens as I swear down the EP3 had some serious dirt and dust to deal with!!
Yoooo that was a race!!!! I have no idea how Jamie is able to get these close battles together. This was a crazy one keep up the good work… watching from Barbados
Eg is just pure savage! and geezers face in the fk2 when he realises he’s last on the first roll race is priceless 😂 great vid
Actually looked like he was going to cry
eg is trash
Wow, that EG has a crazy 4th gear ! It's always a treat to watch such close racing... Nice One !!
I love these Honda showdowns. I started my mechanical experience at 14 working on cars in an all Honda car club. Do these kinds of videos are nostalgic to me. I love how this was done.
Epic race, both had me smiling as much as them, sick builds ! 😎
Those last 2 drag races were epic!! Also props to the FK for that 0-60 time. Great content as always Mr OG.
I love how dude in the FK2 throws himself back in the seat sometimes! Great racing to all, looked like a blast.
Hats off to the under dog Luke absolutely smashed it surprised everyone top driving
Just goes to prove that the most modern can here may be down on power but gets more of it down on the road trough superior chassis dynamics.0 TO 60 in 4.5 secs is crazy fast for a front driver ! Interesting race well done to all involved !
Just like to say the second race was the best race this channel has ever posted and I’m not a Honda fan by any stretch of the imagination. I’m actually jealous of the fun they are having !
I agree man, am not a big Honda fan either but damn those cars sounded great and plenty of fun, races were epic.
What a video man wow!!! Proper good fun this one, credit to all of them, that EP3 didn’t do Mr MK performance any justice but honestly what a car the EG is 🤩
That EG needs an AWD conversion. Then would see some wild numbers
Just needs more practice driving
@@Euphorica EG driver was awesome. This OG battle had pretty equal drivers Tbf.
@@mk2nathan he was great from the rolls. But his launches and managing wheel spin was only ok for me.
Or better tires, nankang is Chinese cheap crap.
@@dudndadn12212 AR-1’s are phenomenal 🤣
Never have I been on the edge of my seat on any of the 0-60s till this one. Rapid Civics 🙆🏽♂️😮
Oh my days! What a shoot out!!! 3 all round amazing cars.
That FK2 really is a really well put together car, fair play to Luke there. It was a real underdog on paper and surprised me no end!
I think the noise from that EG on full boost when they were side by side in the last race (FK2 interior, window open shot) will stick with me forever lol
Shame the EP didn't have a better result on the day, once it got under way it really flew! Can't believe that was boosted in 6 hours!!!!
The first launch for all 3 drivers in the side by side race was all weak but by the third run everybody’s nerves were sorted out and made for some awesome racing. Absolutely love it!!
Objectively the most worked and craziest automotive youtube channel, huge work as usual thank you very much 👍
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The look on the dudes face in the new civic when the EG started closing in on him 😂😂I would take the ep3 or the EG any day
those thin cans are only good because of powe to weight ratio :)
The look in his face when he seen the ep3 flying past to 😂
you mean when the eg put it in high boost ;)
Always wanted an Ep3, but honestly, I’d take any of them 😁
@@cielo20 Bro, stop your horseshit. If you knew a thing about cars you wouldn't even attempt this attention seeking nonsense. Literally the only people taking you serious are people calling you out. I read your other comments too. Theory crafting and favoritism with a distinct lack of technical knowledge.
My man luke handing out the tickets to Gapland. My g.
EP3 is such a timeless design. Still looks good today.
Looks like a mini minivan
roof line is too high
@@jax9074 as the saying goes…opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.
@@user-ue6iv2rd1n compared to the EG that looks like a door wedge…maybe 😂
If you are blind yes, worst looking honda ever. Hovis bread van
that eg is savage. the guy in the ep was an amazing shifter with the best reaction time but car wasn't fast enough. They all sound amazing.
Lad in the Fkk can 'drive' defo looked like the easier car to launch, very impressive considering power to weight. Love a boosted vtec. Peace and thanks mate Sid
That eg and Ep3 are just stunning 😍
3 capable Civics and some good racing. EG all day for me though! 🤩
Suprised at how the FK2 put it down though for the underdog!
Absolutely loved this episode!!!! FK2 all the way!!!!
That was epic! I was rooting for the eg as it was my favourite car to race in gran turismo 1 and i just love the look of them 👌
Traction was the name of the game today, FK2 had it on lock even in the roll races! Great races!
It’s the chirp you want off the line in a front wheel drive car. That lad in the FK2 knows it too well. Wheel spin gets you nowhere!
What do you mean by the "chirp"?
@@ep3 Wheel spin but not a lot. That's what "chirp" is.
Its like that small spin you get in 2nd gear...
@@Sidewinder5 ahh right yeah totally!
EP3 sounds the best imo,but the FK2 has the best pops and bang's. Then again all 3 Civics sound so good.
Mr dsg should of been given a go in the eg. Now that would be epic
The fk2 is a 6 speed manual bro
I love them all, the EP3 is a favorite body style because it's closest to my Fit, the EG6 sounds amazing and is raw, but the FK2 is the one I would want to take home!
The hurt on the FK goat man’s face on the roll race when the EP actually got traction 😂. Always loved an EG.
EGs n EJ1 will always have a thing in my heart luv seeing ppl have fun 💯💯
The amount of aggression in these cars is sublime. 🙌🏾
Can’t get enough of these OG battles 👊🏻
Great races, love how close they all were. Be interested in the 100 to 200s
Was going to ask the same to see the in gear times be interesting
Looks like Low to mid 9s for the fk.. 8s would be awesome
EG have 7,21sec, EP3 Fk2 don’t know.
@@thestig4408 very impressive the fk 🤘🏽
Im not sure if like close competitive racing or what but i could watch these dudes run all day. Awesome races. Keep this coming
Luke smashed it. Been looking forward to this from when I saw it on his Instagram. Was worried about the competition but what a car and driver. FK2 is a great car. A lot of the old skool guys can't appreciate it. Well rounded car. Looking to get mine mapped by Paul too after I've done some more exhaust work. Can't wait now! Great result Luke 😁
Hands down THE BEST officially gassed head to head yet. The civic rivalry finally decided and how close it was. INSANE!
The EP3 first run was awesome man sounds soo good 😍
The shifts on them civics are nuts. As always bro 😎 great content and remember the name true supporter from day one.
I was rooting for EP3 , since i had one upto 3 weeks ago. Great race , close as well. Drag races on channel is cool
EP3's are amazing, got one myself
I just randomly came across this channel. I love it.
I have my own mad project going on and I hope to have it shown on here in a few years ;)
All 3 of them would look mint on my drive love the sound of a Honda on limit sick
V-TEC overload! This was one of the most entertaining 3 way battle vids I've seen watching all their faces, just like F&F 1 U.K. edition.
Was good to see the EP3 place higher than last on the roll races haha, got a cosmic grey ep3 with black gloss wheels and the Mugen spoiler myself. Would love to charge it as its sitting 152k miles so a bit safer than boosting with a turbo. Dream is an FK2 though always wanted one over an FK8. One day.
Epic epic video. JAMIE MATE YOU ARE KILLING IT! Best UK TH-cam fullstop. 🇬🇧
I can't tell if that EP3 absolutely tree'ed the launch @14:17 or jumped!? Banging showdown though, I love these Sunday morning starts! Nice 👍🏻
Man that adrenaline rush was running right through me just watching this. Great content 👌
You really got me when you said they checked for gap insurance 😂😭 great content as always, had me on the edge of my seat 🔥
15:06 bro the clip when he’s at the top of the gear and yelling has me crying yo😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love the eg, also shows how fat Hondas have gotten over the years
And safe....... that eg will fold up like a deck chair above 50mph in an accident lol!!!
Yep fatter with 50hp less and winning 3 of 4 events shows progress in all areas.
@@brucewayne2397 performance int what im talking about i just prefer the smooth lines and curves new ones look bulky n overdone
@@tundaslug07 yeh i hear that, i prefer the ep3 of them all looks wise, had one in 2004
@@robertowen8281 Okey but who asked about safety in civic? Are everything right with you?
Top end of the eg is just disgusting. Absolutely great video mate!
Can’t wait to see the finished dc5 4wd build
Great video. Fk2 was a surprise.
And that EG definitely turned the boost up after he realised he wasn’t smoking 😂
Definitely didn’t. That EG should have been ALOT faster than it was with so much horsepower and weighing only 900kg. Go do some maths on the mph vs 1/4 mile. The EG has no where near the states power output
Great video, being the owner of an fk8 myself I really enjoyed that one. Can't wait to get mine remapped by Paul West 👍🏼👍🏼
Great line up quality content bud. Them 2 older civics need the back ends raising a little and stiffer bound on rear and they will hook better 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Honestly this is the best OF BATTLES YET 💯❤️🔥
incredible race. No one lost a single gear.
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Ohh so much joy in driving all those tuned vtec turbo power ! Fun car to drive
I really thought MK will smash it. Will you do a collab with him in the future?
Defo mr DSG a serious driver 💯
I had 3 cars In my life, civic 1998, civic 2004 and now civic 2016. I so enjoyed this video, thank you! 😂
Sick day 🔥🔥
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Sick builds you brought out mate.
Buddy in the fk2 isn't afraid to break anything haha. Drive your cars guy
No rev limiters were hurt in the making of this video
I have an EG N/A and one Honda S2000 AP1 Turbo. To understand how good an EG is, you have to own it and drive it as it should.
We all know that the s2000 is phenomenal, even with out having one, the fact that you know that this car is a drivers car and that it is phenomenal makes you buy it.
For the EG's, you don't know it until you buy one. I'm not the 0-402m kind of guy, but still, a great video.
Dude in fk2 knows how to drive but man you don't need to use turn signals on a closed track 😂😂
Epic video og and the lads I'm an ep3 type r 2005 nhb owner I love all of these 3motors really enjoyed thanks man 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I’m glad this video silenced alot of people. At the end of the day, you don’t have to “look” fast (on paper) to win races. Awesome video.
Absolutely loved it. Well done guys. Epic video 😎👍 much love from the Emirates ✌️
One of the best vs videos going, completely surprised 🔥
One of the best races ever on the channel 💪🏽
Fully built EG will never let u down
Got a eg hatch k20 this year i will boosted also to 450 500hp .
This great video's are motivating #keepupthegoodwork.
Awesome drag racing!! Old school racing with manual shifting…. Power💥🔥
Music to my ears could listen to these beasts all day long top video 👍
EG honda civics are legendary and have a timeless shape...I will always love them most of all honda civics