Max's Top 5 all-time NBA scorers list prompts JWill to walk off...👀 | KJM
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- Max's Top 5 all-time NBA scorers list prompts JWill to walk off...👀 | KJM
Keyshawn Johnson and Jay Williams weighs in on Max's Top 5 all-time NBA scorers list.
0:00 Jay Williams walks off set because of Max' Top 5 all-time NBA scorers list
5:36 Keyshawn Johnson reacts to Max's list
10:00 Jay Williams' thoughts on Max's list
15:18 Jay Williams reiterates that MJ's nickname was "Black Jesus"
19:00 Max tries to justify his list
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He uses certain rules when comparing LeBron to Kobe and KD, but uses different criteria for including Wilt and Kareem.
Use a constant methodology or say it’s a completely qualitative eye test evaluation.
Folks need to stop acting like Wilt had no competition. He faced Willis Reed, Nate Thurmond, Bill Russell, and eventually Kareem. Bill alone often put the clamps on Wilt, often enough to land 11 rings, but Wilt was STILL dominant as a player.
@Brian Lockett he literally dropped 70 on Bill and 30 boards he never clamped him he had 8 hall of famers
Bro u naming one player not teams 💯🤣
@@BrianLockett its a team sport, not an individual sport my guy.
0:16 I like that he almost tripped and kind played it off like he was angry stomping.
I saw that. It would have been perfect if he fell on his face and started kicking his feet in the air like a baby. I don't know how Max deals with these two. 🤣
😂I saw that lol
His leg gave out i think he was mad about that
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Max……you stupid lol (in Tommy voice)
They be treating Max like he not allowed to have an opinion 😂
Bro! 🤣🤣🤣 I was thinking the same thing. This is such an subjective topic & they're acting like he put Andre Miller, Adam Morrison, and Gerald Henderson in his top 5 of all time.
Keyshawn is annoying
He argues likes he's in TH-cam comment section.
Did you hear everything that came out of Max mouth? Oh my goodness 😂
And we know why...
@@Peakfreud 🤣🤣
The average center in Wilt and Kareem era was 6-11/6’10, he wasn’t playing against “small guys”
@A Secular View The best 2 players in league are white. Stop the BS. Ball is ball. Most these dudes can’t play today
They were increasingly unathletic in comparison to todays centers
@@downbadichigo9331 Most athletics centers today suck. Rudy Gorbert ain’t more athletic than Russell, Wilt, Gilmore, Robinson, Hakeem, Daughtery, Ewing, Moses Malone , Shaq, Parish..Dawkins..and many more. Onmy thing they do today and play facing basket and take more 3s. Most centers today are soft as doctors cotton. Play like a 7 ft guard. Question..how many centers today are winning?
@@alh2jr couldn’t agree more. Most of these dudes these days don’t know ball 4 real. It’s sad.
So you're saying Wilt would be just as dominant now...Got it...
We love Max for being Max. He’s playing chess vs himself and he’s losing..
NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON loves max
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Max was always fake but time tells all.
hahahahahahhaha
perfect comment!!
@@stepdot speak for yourself
Max was contradicting his whole list 😂💯
indeed
very weak
Lol 😆
Was just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Yep and I was ready to defend max before I seen it lol
I love it lol
This is actually a phenomenal top 5 by Max Kellerman. I’m kinda shocked he had a good one lol, but it’s really good. I would change the order a bit, but overall this is great.
Kobe no2. Wilt and kareem had the height advantage.
I’d actually replace wilt with steph and change the order a little but overall yes great list.
@@fwsreal kobe not a better scorer than kd lol
@@gqprince2 you better believe it is better!! Ask KD. In a far tougher league , playing injured most of the time with 0 load management bs!
@@fwsreal whats the argument of kobe being a better scorer im curious
Simply comparing FG percentages lacks any sort of context. Max is right about controlling for certain variables-though he was having a tough time articulating as much-such as pace of play, league efficiency metrics, and even some accolades. It’s like saying that dropping 30 when the leagues top defense has a defensive rating of 108.5 is no different than dropping 30 when the leagues top defenses posted ratings of 90.
Generally i agree but, lebron is a far more efficient and effective scorer and shooter than kobe...kobe has this mystique about him with the mamba mentality shtick....kobe had a great mentality but he was a vastly overrated player...even on game winning shots lebron was better....there was no part of the game that kobe was better at except free throws
@@jonjohnson1978.he just explained in the video why kobe was less efficient and it still went over your head. Dirk and grant hill are on record saying kobes the best player theyve ever faced and theyve faced prime bron. These arent no role players saying this these are highly respected greats. Kobe was the best difficult shot maker EVER. When youre a playmaking giannis for a majority of your career of course brons going to have a better fg!
@@Zrayduh Dirk is on record saying that he is running out of arguments to call MJ the goat over Lebron…
@@carac1dent429 were talking offensively not about the all time lisf
@@Zrayduh kobe taking all those idiotic 'difficult shots' is what added to his mystique but in reality also made him a moron when a pass was was the better play even if it simply was to pass out of a difficult shot to get a better one for himself.......dirk and grant can say what they want...doesn't have any relevance to the question.....Kobe was always overrated and has been even more so since he died.......
Max’s logic is like that new math my kids are doing in school.
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It’s not new math, it’s just a different process to get the answer.
Common Core math 😂😂😂😂
FACTS! 😂😂😂😂
Straight Fucktard Math.
It’s astonishing how the goalpost moves when it comes to LeBron. That’s how you know JUST how great the man is.
No matter how you slice it he's always come up short
@John Johnson 4X NBA Champ 🏆🏆🏆🏆 with 4X Finals MVP’s 🏆🏆🏆🏆 Top 5 All Time in Assists as well as the All Time Scoring Leader in NBA History is coming up short????
@@JohnJohnson-my8zg 😂😂😂you’re a clown. If he came up short, so has every player in the league. In case you forgot (everyone does it’s ok), Jordan WAS NOT 16-0 in his career in the finals…..lost 10 times before that….😅
@@terrymcginnis223 I am fine with that, with that logic Lebron is 4-16 while Jordan is 6-10. Which record do you think is considerably better? Hmm…
@@FritzTheCook and who had the more complete teams? Not Lebron
Hakeem Olajuwon is very underrated in this debate, this dude was scoring through double teams and triple teams in his prime on a regular basis. He could score inside or out when I say out I mean particularly from mid range. His handles, footwork, agility and speed was incredible for someone his height at around 7ft, he moved like an elite 2 guard while at the same time he played like an elite through big. He had an elite post game and an elite faceup game with so many moves and moves to counter, he knew how to keep the defense guessing. He was a very clutch scorer too. He shot around 71% from the foul line for his career that's pretty good for a center.
Best center ever
Hakeem was a defensive center who can score
Sorry but no he’s not. I say he’s the best center ever. But he wasn’t ever gonna average 30. More like 22. He was a skilled scorer but not near this list. And no he didn’t move like a 2 guard. You’re overdoing it a little bit
Harden > Hakeem
Y’all over exaggerate. He wasn’t getting “tripled teamed” in a nightly basis. Not as much as guys like Kobe or Curry. Don’t know why you people lie so much. It’s corny.
The majority of Wilt’s points were actually scored off of fade away jumpshots near the post. Ppl forget his game. They think because he was big he mustve been a power center like shaq, but he was much more of a skill and finesse player.
You asking ESPN talkshow host to be objective
The height difference has really never changed. Wilt played against the same average height as every era after him.
Facts! I read somewhere that the average height for NBA players was like 6' 6" for since 1962. Wilt Chamberlain was the freakest athlete. His vertical jump and running speed was pure insanity.
Right. Plus those guys got measured barefooted. So they were the same. Height
Wilt is still the freakiest athlete the NBA has seen. Embiid moves in slow motion compared to him.
@@sup9542
Wilt is the freakish athlete humanity has ever seen.
Welll now it’s more athletic 7 footers that’s what made wilt different he was great in track and field
I find it interesting that Jay Will walked off the set
LMFAO that's good
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he took it personally
Stephen a is laughing
Max is so delusional, Kobe won 2 scoring titles, Lebron 1. Lebron average 27.2ppg for his career, Kobe 25 … Lebron average 34% from 3, Kobe 32% … End of the discussion.
Kevin Durant this season gives you as may points and moves offensively as a guard and still manages to be more efficient then some all star centers and also he gave you a 50 40 90 season is crazy he has the balance of moves efficiency and the ability to score anywhere on the floor
The Warriors move will haunt him with some but when it’s all said and done he’ll get his due for being an all time scorer. If he stays healthy he should hit Top 5 on the scoring list
Empty stats.
Max max is to smart for this show 😂😂😂😂
When Max tries to explain contextualizing numbers to the other two, I feel so bad for him. They just don't get it at all, and Max is like... 'but I explained it so well'... 😭😭🤣🤣
Exactly... because they are blinded by their emotional feelings.
Max deserves better co hosts. Key isn’t even conscious or aware half of the time, and Jay looks like he’s on the verge of crying every segment
It's because Max has to talk to niggas and they obviously aren't the sharpest
Max doesn't know what he's talking about. If LeBron simply shot as many times per game as Jordan, he would have a career per-game scoring average of 31.6 points per game. That would shatter Jordan's mark.
It's not contextualizing , it's manipulating the numbers to support kobe.
George Gervin is an honourable mention. 4 x scoring champ that no one ever mentions.
facts, Iceman was the KD of the 70's/80's
You absolutely correct
Facts and Kim English
@@Vastatio NO
@@Signify2K yes he was
This man Keyshawn spent this whole segment listening to Max, interpreting his words however he wanted to, and then throwing that interpretation back at Max and swearing that's exactly what he said lol
15:11 The average height of centers in wilts era was 6’10. The average height of centers from 2006-2019 is 6’11.5
They still weren’t as skilled. Wilt was an outlier in his era.
So why isn’t Taco Fall out of the league and he’s taller than everyone.
SMH
The height argument is weak
Max argued against himself with that rediculous take
Ur brain is slow huuh ☠️
@@Mercurial. 😂 like your opinion matters to me
@@deep7544
Like as if ur opinion matters to anybody 🤣
Now that's what I call Jay walking
underated comment
Don't ever say that again 🤣🤣🤣
Cringe af
Lmao
Definitely didn’t make sense to me either 😂 just moving the goal post
This is the Definition of Moving the Goal Post 😂😂
What no one mentions is that LeBron is top 4 in assists. So if he wanted he could’ve scored way more. But he sacrificed for the good of the team. And he’s an unselfish player unlike many of the guys on max list
Then how come he shoots more than Kobe per game?
He also has the most turnovers ever!
@The Attempt Bron is #2 on that list
Max and skip should get together because they don't know what there talking about!
@@SoWhat- LeBron had a huge role straight from the jump. And was the best player on his team. He carried them. Kobe had shaq all those years. And LeBron is still top 4 in assists all time
There were many 7 footers in Wilts time, none came close to his stats. Funny how they always try and discredit him
Average height of wilt's contemporaries was 6'10". They weren't 6ft.
Max was smoking something WILD during this 😂
We just witnessed max defeat himself in the debate that he started 😂😂😂.
Nope! Kobe is wayyyyy better than lebron
Kobe had the record for 3's in a game at 12 until Klay broke his record. Max said he didn't shoot 10 threes in a game.
He meant on average. I don't know if Kobe averaged 10 3's a game... Seems unlikely in an era where the whole league shot considerably less.
Curry broke his record first
Donyell Marshall shared that record with Kobe, they both had 12. Until Stephen Curry broke it.
It was against Seattle SuperSonics too
@@captainprivate3768 from LeBron first year to the year Kobe retired, Kobe shot 5 per game and made 32.9% LeBron 4 and made 34%, so his take is BS
“THEY PLAYED AT THE SAME TIME!” Keyshawn has zero clue that Kobe was drafted in 1996, he played nearly half his career by the time LeBron stepped on an NBA court. Especially when you consider Kobe missed a full year with the torn Achilles. It’s like saying Jordan and Kobe are the same era, there were years of overlap but the leagues changed so much midway through both players careers.
What they don’t mention is no one sticks defensive anymore… big factor when scoring is talked about
To an extent. Defense is still relative to the era’s skill set. You put Rodman, GP, Pippen in today’s game against Steph, Kyrie, KD, I’d argue that they’d wouldn’t “clamp” them. The players today are soooo skilled that it’s hard for defense to keep up. You put Pat Bev, Kawhi, Jrue Holiday, Marcus Smart in Jordan’s era, they’d fit in defensively. So now realize that these guys are in today’s game, it shows you that offensively gifted players would thrive in any era. And there is no era with more offensively gifted players than today.
@@sammompoint123 while that is true also defense was more physical back than and you had to mentally strong to continue to play which alot of players aren’t today. Its a different game
I agree with JJ Reddick on this: hard fouls doesnt mean better defense. This is not just about how hard you smack guys but also about how smart the schemes are and so on.
And the finals record thing. There have been few players that got to 10 finals ever and in 3 of the 6 he lost he did to Stephen Curry, who himself is an all-time great player.
Max is frustrating, very intelligent, but extremely frustrating 😂😂😂
Is this Stephen A Smith?
@@dayonedad 😂😂😂😂
Frustrating because he spits facts
“You should look up the numbers before you say it” 😂😂😂😂
Yeah like Max said Kobe got 4 scoring titles.....when he has only 2
@@emack4371
He mixed that up with KD there u balloon animal 😂
The Anchor Man quote SENT MEEEE
Wilt era centers averaged height 6"10 he competed against. There are ten centers at 6"10, who Wilt played against.
Nate Thurmond
Willis Reed
Bill Russell
Heinson
I think the problem with most sports arguments is that everything is generalized and not broken down into categories. It's not truly possible to just say someone is the greatest of all times at something in a general fashion. You have to break that down into categories to even start, otherwise it will always just be opinion.
What Max is saying in a nutshell, is there are more offensive opportunities now, so they naturally score more. This means in today's era and them being able to score more, he should have an average higher. Not that hard to understand. I do believe Lebron is still 2 or 3 on that list for the record.
But we literally have a points per possession stat that calculates this for us lol. Like those stats exist. And LeBron is still better than everyone on that list in that regard other than MJ and KD.
Lebron FGs when being 3ft or more away from the basket is always under 40% really is the only stat you need here. Dude can play but if we are talking about scoring he really ain’t it. He don’t even have a bag, he relies on his speed and sizes. He always struggle with people who can match his physicality because he doesn’t have skill as a counterplay
It's actually a pretty good list.
Not really. Kinda logically inconsistent. They all got Wilt's game wrong to the point I doubt they know him beyond heresay, but leaving out LeBron for being more 1 dimensional but having Kareem at 3 is just BS lol.
It's fine as list go. But his reasoning for why Lebron isn't up there makes it a terrible list, especially when the logic he uses actually means he needs to take off Wilt or Kareem for Lebron.
@@killakam8738 exactly! I came to say something similar.
@@killakam8738 Well, with Wilt the reasoning is kinda wrong, every team but the Hawks in Wilt's day had a 6"10 or taller starting center and Wilt actually did A LOT of his damage from outside of 3 feet, more like 5-7 feet. He scored as much as he did because he played 48 minutes a game in the fastest paced era. The logically consistent omission would be Kareem but the correct one would probably be Kobe.
@@pepesilvia3573 I agree that putting Wilt for the same things he left out Lebron i a strecht. But there’s one key element that nobody brings, everybody say Lebron is the only one scoring this much at his age and while is true, the only reason for that is minutes.
Other stars in then last seasons were playing much less minutes because they understood it was beneficial for their team. Lebron is scoring like a first option and his team is a losing team for that same reason. I mean, Carmelo was scoring 13 points a game in 20 minutes, if you have him the green light and all the touches he wanted, he would avg like 24 points a game, of course his team would lose all the time but the same is happening with Lebron.
This was a great discussion. Both sides acknowledged each others arguments bc they both brought up great points. It ultimately came down to what aspects of scoring they each value more. I especially liked the physical dominance vs skill set argument. Idk which of the two i value more.
Max had no point he just crazy . How can you praise a taller guy on scoring near the rim and dis the shorter guy on scoring near the rim
What's crazy is, J Will talked about having numbers to back up the ideas Max had. Max said he's sure if you take out shots around the basket, Kobe's fg percentage would be better than LeBron's. Fact is, if you take out shots around the basket, Kobe's field goal percentage is better than Lebron's. By a decent amount lol.
Why would you take out shot around the basket though? Are those not still considered points? It makes no sense.
@airgordo4 of course they're considered points, but they're also the easiest shots too make, and offer an large advantage depends on your size. The bigger you are, the significantly easier it is to score around the basket. Which is why bigs lead the league in field goal percentage so often. Tyson Chandler holds like the top 3 seasons for field goal percentage in NBA history, we certainly wouldn't call him a better scorer than LeBron. Bron has an advantage in shots around the basket over Kobe, and also takes a lot more shots around the basket than Kobe did. That's due to his size. Ability to shoot is the ability to knock down the shot. If you got 10 players and put them under the basket and asked them to shoot 100 shots with no defense, every single player would make 100. I would probably make 100. As you pull further from the basket, those shots get more difficult.
@@SanchezBrown13 So LeBron being able to more consistently generate higher percentage looks makes him a worse scorer? Again, this makes no sense.
@airgordo4 that's not what I said at all. Everybody and anybody can play consistently. Consistency has nothing to do with the FACT that his size allows him to get more attempts around the rim. And shots around the rim are significantly easier to knock down. Again, like I just said, Tyson Chandler holds NBA records for field goal percentage because all his attempts came around the rim. Is he a better scorer than LeBro??
@@SanchezBrown13 Tyson Chandler also does nothing else aside from that. LeBron averages more points in the regular season, more points in the playoffs, has more career points, a higher TS%, passed Kobe in scoring on less shots. would Tyson Chandler be a better scorer than Bron if he was getting 30 a night over is career at that same percentage? Absolutely. But no Tyson Chandler at 8ppg isn’t even in the same stratosphere and bringing him up in the context of this discussion is silly.
Even ignoring all that Kobe is like 3% better on midrange shots, and LeBron 2% better on threes which are worth an extra point. LeBron takes less than 2 of those 10-16’ shots per game on his career. So Kobe at 3% better is literally like LeBron making 4-5 extra shots a season from that range. But some people are acting like that surpasses the fact that Bron had scored more, averages more, has a better TS%, better playoff average, passed Kobe on less shots, and has a higher scoring rate per shot attempt... again, it makes no sense.
A excellent, objective assessment by Max . A superb assessment in a moment upon which many who aren't historians or objective in their opinion,caught up emotionally into current events ,ie Lebron securing goat scoring title aren't willing to acknowledge rationally the achievement of others properly. I'm a huge Lebron fan ,but I'm objective,he's not yet quite better then Kareem , Russell,Jordan . Final note , Kareem Abdul Jabaar was far more offensively then a sky hook ,prime years athletically 1970 -76 which can be googled Kareem prime years 70--76 ,you will see cross over ,pull up and turnaround jumpers ,sky hook with both hands ,back to basket reverse spin to rim ,sprint full court for uncontested dunks ,because no center could keep up with him . Kareem Abdul Jabaar had the full offensive package ,which set up his skyhook ,great defender ,rebounder ,superb passer ,quiet savant team leader . Many fans of NBA basketball who are in their 40's didn't really see Kareem until he was in his early to mid 30's so their process of him isn't astute . ESPN and national sports media also inadvertently damaged his reputation because the only photo they constantly showed of him was him delivering the skyhook .That's like only showing Jordan or Lebron dunking . Max assessment is a solid analogy . The caught in the moment fanatics will typically disagree with Lebron not being #1 .
Bruh he said Bron is bad outside the paint and then has wilt and Kareem and 2 and 3 get out with that cap
good points
This was a HILARIOUS segment… Key had me dying 😂😂😂😂
“Kobe Shot 3’s What You Talking About “😂😂
Key though not the smartest of thus pack.. is the funniest one 🤣 😂 💀 😆 😄 🤣 😂
Max is drunk 😂😂
@@fredkim01 Key is the smartest person on the panel
@RC Fresh I don't frequent their show.. but with what little exposure I have of the show, it doesn't appear that he is the smartest of the panel.. though highly evident that he is the funniest of the entire panel. 🤣
Scoring and shooting are not the same. Shooting is just a portion of scoring and scoring is overall everything: dunks, layups, and shooting. To look at it objectively, I think you have to take into account average per game, overall FG%, and total points. Of course there’s era to look at as well, but that can be looked at subjectively by different people.
Then max is right about jordan being #1
You definitely have the 1st part right. Kobe was a better shooter, had better handles, better footwork, more of an assassin mentality, and was 1 of the best hero ball players in history.
LeBron is a better scorer, better offensive player, better basketball I.Q, more consistent, and harder to stop.
That list has to have LeBron on it. He scored more points because he was harder to stop. Then, he's also 4th in assists which means his scoring ability was such a threat that teams more often than not doubled LeBron because they preferred others on his team to try and score instead of him.
@@AndYouAre and to add to it, Max was really cappin'. To say that Lebron doesn't have shooting is plain and simple hating. At the 3pt line, Kobe and Jordan's averages are 32.9 and 32.7 respectively. Sure, today's game forces players like Lebron to evolve their game. But logic dictates that if you are a 'poorer' shooter then his 3FG% MUST be below Kobe's or Jordan's because you are shooting more 3s now than the previous eras. But lo and behold, with more than 6000 shots attempted, LBJ still managed to have a 34.4 3PG%. What does that tell you? And the 2's? Kobe and Jordan are 44.7 and 49.7 respectively. LBJ is at 50.5. C'mon now.
@@AndYouAre please dont dumb down kobes basketball IQ. They were equal at the very least.
@Nephro Doc
Not even close in basketball I.Q... I would agree that Kobe had more intellect and was likely the smarter individual, but basketball I.Q is different. LeBron makes the right or the best play possible more often. It's because of his basketball I.Q which is what seperates him from other star players in his era.
It took Kobe more time to mature and trust others to help make the game easier for everyone else. Kobe would go and get it done himself, even when other options would have made life easier for him, his coaches, and teammates.
Kobe had a very high Basketball I.Q. LeBron is just higher. No knock.
Max is trying to correct for differences in eras. This allows the trends of the game (eg: more 3s) to be considered. “What game were these guys playing at the time and how good was he at it”
Max is right about the 3 point convo lbj shoots 3's like he's peja Kobe up the ante but he was a mid range guy towards the end PREDOMINANTLY..... but he also backtracked because he actually is holding it against lbj as opposed too Kareem lol
Bron shoots 2-3 more 3’s a game than Kobe not a big difference considering how many more 3’s are shot now. And Kobe shot 4.1 per game his career Bron 4.9 so another losing argument for Max for me
Max is right about averages on a per season basis. And the top 3 or 4players in career PPG. All were immediately in their prime, and the primary scorer on their team.
Kevin Durant is number 4 and LeBron is 5
@BuzzinFromda4z that point is moot, because he also was a very efficient scorer.
@BuzzinFromda4z Bron has never lead the league in fga but won a scoring title and could’ve won two
I actually COMPLETELY understood what Max was saying. It's amazing that they understood it to mean that he was saying LeBron is NOT a great scorer. Wild.
Max said NOTHING of the sort.
What he's saying is the 5 can score more easily tmand consistently than lebron when the eye test and stats show that kobe definitely cannot ......
The only guy in this conversation who WASN’T looking to score first, ended up with more points than all of them. End of debate lol
I WANT IGUODALA
The length people go to, to discredit Lebron. And I’m not even a lebron stan. I have mad respect and give him his credit for all he’s done throughout his career.
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It's not discrediting him when you bring up facts.the majority of his shot attempts are within 0-3 feet ox the rim (layups dunks).on shots further than that,he shoots 35%.
@@rexcango7058 im emplore you to actually go look up the percentages by shot distance for lebron and say that shots outside of 3ft he shoots less then 35%, lebron does better then that now and in prime years was even more efficient
Yea because #2 all time is disrespectful 🤣 bron fans something else I tell u
That 4-6 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Max is the king of double talk 😂
It’s so weird that we never just celebrate Lebron without ever comparing him. His whole career has never been truly appreciated because he is constantly compared to any and every player. I can’t wait to Lebron retires so we can finally just appreciate his whole career like he truly deserves.
They always wanna compare black people instead of just giving props
It’s because the media and fans in general of that era were so mesmerized by Jordan that they can not give the biggest threat to Jordan his full props. You can not tell the full truth because the truth and human logic will tell you what’s going on.
He's never been fully appreciated?.... c'mon now
@@lobmob3235 he hasn’t
Appreciate his 6 finals losses with like 20 hof teammates and multiple superteams
The disrespect on Bird is crazy
Kareem and Wilt had many bigs we just don't remember them as we should
For me! What a pure scorer means someone who can score from anywhere on the court on anyone at any given moment. Im 5'9, and when playing 5v5, I'm can score on 6'3 guys, etc. but when it comes to 1v1, It changes everything. There's only 3 guys on that list who have the ability to score on anyone from everywhere at any moment 1v1 and 5v5.
There is no one in this list who is capable of what you are saying and there is no one in the history of earth cause if there was one he will have 100% play off wins
Where a player can score from is irrelevant to the outcome if you can’t keep a player from effectively scoring from his spot. The points are worth the same. Nobody cares if Shaq can create a mid-range jumper on command when he’s scoring 30+ more efficiently than anybody inside and drawing doubles and triples to open up teammates while he’s doing it.
I never heard anyone say: "Keeping Kobe or KD out the paint, and forcing them to shoot jumpshots is how you beat them." I've heard that said about Lebron throughout his career.
Bc he’s a better finisher at the rim than both. One of the most deadly players closer to the basket ever
Facts
@@nateburrell9873 true and the biggest with no big men at the rim to contend....
@@nateburrell9873 They're great finishers too! And they are better at everything else offensively besides passing.
Because he's a finisher at the rim. And that hasn't worked since 2011. Also, Kobe was inefficient no matter where he was lol.
The game is much different today then when Wilt played, many rules have changed to allow more offense, but in Wilt's day they were changing rules to slow him down because he was making a mockery of the league, most likely he would still be a great player today, just would not have the same numbers because the league has become more guard driven, it makes players like Embiid and Jokic a true marvel, bigs have had a harder time adjusting to the wide open up and down nature but it is happening especially with guys like Victor Wembanyama coming into the league.
Will numbers will look like embiid’s numbers which is still 33ppg but he’s not getting 50. Wilt played in an era with the fastest pace per game. Which allowed him to average 40 ppg
@@Johenz And weaker talent.
Jay 100 perfect raised the right question of Max. If it's some mix of a good, capabilities, and performance vs. contemporaries, then Wilts spot is questionable. I don't understand Max's criteria. It's interesting, but it seems it defeats itself.
I'm rolling on the floor laughing just imagining Stephen A Smith responding to Max on this!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣
Actually Stephen A would agree with Max on this topic. It makes sense.
@@Mercurial. no it doesn’t .
@@dezz8598
It does.
@@Mercurial. no it doesn’t. You don’t know basketball either
@@terrymcginnis223
But u understand that it bec u disagree?
Okey u LeChoker 😭😂😂😂
The education learned by Jay and Kyrie at Duke University is on full display here
😭😭😭😭😭
Kyrie lives rent free in your hollow head
I like how he doesn’t use CONSISTENCY. To do what he’s done for this long and not call him a scorer is crazy af.
You dont understand the question.
But no disrespect of course you gonna be a crazy scorer when you played that long and still are come on now… if KD body treatment changes and he playes longer than lebron he gonna past him…
Lebron scores alot but he's not a great scorer. Lebron can barely shoot a 3 pointer to save his life. He's not a gifted scorer
The only thing special about Lebron is that he is healthy and has zero hardware injuries. This is the only reason he has the record tbh. It is more of a record of being healthy the longest than scoring
Keyshawn isn’t understanding- lebrons shots don’t mostly come from inside the basket. Those percentages drop off more as you move away than Kobe’s did. All Max said was lebron would score more inside if his era made that easier
I'm definitely talking abt scored points in the season over average
J Will is the most emotional man on sports television
just passionate about the sport nothing wrong with that
It's that time of the month for her.
Nah,Shannon Sharpe.
He's a clown
I wonder when Stephen A. Going to invite him back to the show!🤣
Key destroys his entire argument with one take 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No he dont He has no idea what Max is talking. He trying to talk and add in other points. Max is talking straight scoring. lbj would score or pass.. it is a mind state max talking about. Key just trying to have lbj in top when he is not.
Moving the goalposts to help qualify who he wanted to disqualify who he didn’t. Big brain tactic
I like the list. You have to consider everything when deciding who's the best scorer, especially the Era. Kobe was less efficient bc there was always a PF and C waiting at the rim. Not to mention they didn't coach efficient 3s at the time. At the end of the day tho, you have to ask who's gonna get a bucket when you need it. Lebron has been great, but the other guys have been better.
Key is funny Ah..Talk about shooting yourself in the foot Max..😂🤣
@@dominiquecarter340 so leaving off LeBron, the only player to average 25 a game for the reg season and playoffs for 18 consecutive years? KD, MJ and Kobe only did it for 12….. that ends any argument for leaving the guy off the list…
Einstein explained Theory Of Relativity much clearer than Max explained his top 5 scoring list logics...
I agree with this list. Could have changed it up a little bit but not bad
J will most sensitize man in sports 💯
What's sensitize?
All max had to say was Kareem and Wilt played in an Era with no 3pt shot. They were giants of there time. The most effective shot for them was at the rim. Simple
and max put steph no.6.....who only has a 3 point in his arsenal...he said he never put lebron because its easier to score bec. of the 3 point shot....and steph never averaged higher points per season than lebron...
Wilt invented the finger roll and the fade away jumper .He also has the greatest field goal average in a career
@@badjoke2880 huh you do know curry is better the closer he is to the basket
@@mikekeyes78 what the fak are u talking about?...never said that....u must improve ur reading comprehension.
if you
wanna talk scoring in multiple ways it’s easily:
1. Kobe
2. Mike
3. KD
4. Hakeem
5. Wilt
J Will always in his feelings. Dude so emotional
MAX KELLERMAN IS THE MASTER OF SEMANTICS!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
But he’s not though. If he were we wouldn’t be laughing at him.
@@anonymouslakernerd7214 DO YOU KNOW WHAT SEMANTICS MEAN?
MAX KELLERMAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE MASTER OF SEMANTICS!!!
@@reallife0728 I don’t think you know what semantics is. Max Kellerman couldn’t be the master of semantics. He’s more like the master of contradicting himself. 🤣🤣
@@gamelove100 NOW YOU WANNA BE THE SEMANTICS APPRENTICE TO MAX!!!!🤣🤣🤣
SEMANTICS...IN THE CONTEXT OF COMMUNICATION,,,HOW WE PERSONALLY INTERPRET A WORD OR PHRASE "IE: THE TERM GOAT"!!!!!!
MAX & JWILL ARE DISAGREEING ABOUT DEFINITION OF WORD OR PHRASE GOAT & WHOM IT APPLIES!!!!
AS I STATED PREVIOUSLY,,,MAX IS THE MASTER OF SEMANTICS!!!!
He’s Jewish ain’t he 🤷🏾♂️
Max has it right. People just like to argue with him and discount him, but his arguments, he can explain it thoroughly. The other 2 get emotional and just try to poke holes in what max says but can't articulate why or even if they feel differently. In other words, their argument is to disprove Max, not to prove their own, which to me is an automatic fail.
I can disprove max. Want me to?
He said Kareem only won 1 scoring title. Lebron has the same exact argument though. Thats why they are discounting him. He uses Lebron size against him but it was okay for the centers. His argument has a lot of holes, Jordan of course is number 1 though.
@@thomaschapman6088 He didn't use Lebron's size against him. It's like a 2k rating, Wilt used his size at a 99, Lebron is at a 90. Wilt used his size better. You want to see how a non-center in this era can use their size to a maximum ability, check out Zion. He's an under developed player but he's a beast at 6'6".
@@reason18 He did tho when comparing him to Kobe. That's what everyones tryna say. That's a clear contradition when you're using the argument you use for the benefit of one element of a conversation while simultaneously using it as a mark against another. You can't say that one guy made the best use of his size, but then also go and say one guy had to work with being a smaller size so it's more impressive.
If comparing specifically to Lebron, he simply seemed like he was picking specific attributes that the others bar Jordan did better than him as justification, even if it contradicts previously made points.
@@reason18 He did use LeBrons size against him when it came to lebron vs Kobe.
Jay always with the extra and comes off looking like a cornball!
Because he is look how his career ended 🤓🤓
@Veedo Capone if you didn’t play at the pro level that Jay did then your opinion is mute . Jay covers a league that he played in already
@@shawtyeatemup1352is ya basketball career better then jays ?
@@michaelf6205Jay could say kwame brown is the best scorer ever and y’all gone say we gotta listen bc he played at a professional level🤣🤣🤣 that’s such a stupid argument
@@metalpharaoh3025 sorry it’s more nuanced than that . Thank you for that extreme example though
MJ, Kobe, & KD are top 3 in that order. When u take into account the footwork, ball handling, finishing at the rim, & tough shot making ability those guys are at the top. The 3 most skilled ever.
honestly this is one of the most subective takes there can be, what defines a great scorer?? their scoring avg?? their efficiency?? their scoring titles??? etc. Every ppl had their own criteria to establish what a great scorer is, mine personally is the moves and countermoves you had in your bag, for that reason i like more kobe, michael jordan, durant, hakeem olajuwon than lebron james. In my eyes they are better scorers cuz their bag is huge. When im trying to use plays whenever im playing i watch videos of those players so i can use those moves, never have i done it with lbj. No knock to lebron, lebron stans as i said this is completely subjective, if you think lebron is the best scorer thats fine, thats a valid take as well.
Yeah, but isnt that more talking of "skills". like all those player that you named are skilled with the ball, thats why they have a deep bag. But others are not as skilled but are just as deadly, like LBJ. LBJ is not as skilled as KD, but if he wants, he can score just as much.
Also, the greatest scorer has to have all the things you mentioned (scoring avg, efficiency, titles., etc...), thats why jordan is the best pure scorer, then maybe followed by KD
Duncan doesn't get his props
Well if we're talking about deepest bag that would be kyrie. I don't think he's the greatest scorer ever, but in terms of variety of moves he's the guy.
@@almond731 i agree
@@almond731 agreed but people don't want to talk about that
Lebron's overall stats in his career is amazing.
KD is a better score per average.
Playoff stats is crazy
@@nwoke.ezu.ike_until_death by 0.05 ....
Gonna miss these guys in the morning. I hope Freddie Coleman and Jay build another great morning show. Freddie, Jwill & Perk/Swagu would be something…
Shooting vs scoring is 2 different discussions. Just because Kobe/KD/Jordan can shoot the ball better than Lebron doesn’t automatically mean they can score better.
i normally come to the defense of fax kellerman bc he gets too much hate. but he has never been as far off as he is right here
Jay is the most emotional man on earth
Bet he had a bad experience with MJ when he was a chicago bull rookie. Probably got punked or snubbed by the GOAT lol
Cap. That's Stephen a smith
@@jctslice Stephen a is energetic, Jay is emotional in his feelings
He’s a lebron fan they all are when you talk about him😭they all get emotional
@@Dipset415 no, he's a KD fan, but he also likes LeBron
Funny thing is Wilt used to shot jump shots
Always about stats and not about how the coverage was against these players. The media don’t see what players would see (coverages, double teams faced, going under Vs over screens on P&Rs).
oh my god, I can't breath. This is the funniest episode/argument between them I have ever heard.
I agree with Max for the most part, his logic is almost always sound in debates like these. The only choices I somewhat disagree with are Wilt or Kareem and that's because they're not as dynamic of scorers as the others on his list, Wilt moreso. I would have had Bird on the list for sure and possibly someone like Curry as well
Sorry, Brotha, but if you don’t know that Kareem was an amazing scorer then I can’t take you seriously 😎
Curry and bird aint in the top 10 lool thats the main reason kareem and wilt are in the conversation they had signature moves that guranteed more buckets and ended up with more through out their career
@@jow8480 no one ever did as much on offense WITHOUT the ball as Bird... he was extremely efficient (the VERY idea of shooting efficiency originates FROM HIM), was a fantastic distributor, and wasn't a chucker... all of these contributing to winning
Different than some of people's favorite shooting guards who were chuckers, only passed for stats or triple teamed, or were already mentally defeated and were irrelevant in terms of winning without their 2nd or 3rd star...
@@ou8428 u got emotional all I said was both players mentioned aint in the top 10 not one slander in my comment in their prime im still takimg wilt or kareem bird probabaly ends up in the top 10 if he doesnt have as many injuries and curry probabaly ends up cracking into the top 20 if not 15 but for now kareem and wilt still deserve more praise 🍾
Don't hate on wilt, he had a post fade he is the greatest scorer ever put him in this era and he'd still dominate he lead the league in assist when he felt like playing for the team
I can’t believe Dirk isn’t even in this conversation.
He is not.
Most he ever averaged was 26. Love him but absolutely not
The disgust in j will face is priceless 😂
Jordan with 10 scoring titles is crazy 🐐
Wilt with 7 scoring titles 🐐
Facts mj is the goat 🐐 6-0 finals
LBJ with one 🙁
Scoring titles is more about the league than the player. Melo has a scoring title with 28ppg.
@@georgiorussell8705 Scoring titles are fair, because all the players played in the same rules, and strategies. IDC that melo only 28. No one out scored him that year. He might have had more if he played in 2023.
@Jaylen James Idc. Every year there's a scoring champion. There can only be one all-time scorer in history at a given time.
KD is most gifted scorer ever he even don't try shooting 30 attempts and he is very efficient over 60% TS more that every top scorer . And he score everywhere . And he score everywhere
Kobe has the record for most missed field goals
Gifted as he's a stature of 7ft and that wingspan and plays on the perimeter.
Goof luck blocking his shots 🥵
@@gew2027
And LeBron is 2ond on that list only couple of hundreds less shots behind.
The average size player has been roughly the same in basketball where do they get they stats from game strategy is the only difference
There is not a player that has ever played in any sport that gets consistently pushed to levels far above their actual output as much as Kobe Bryant.
Facts
Wow, the mental gymnastics Max is doing here is amazing.
We got a signature walk off By Jay again 😂🤣😂🤣🤣
What I understand of this. Is. 3; pointers were not made back in the day. It was more of under the basket
Key's face is the most sarcastic "let him cook" I've ever seen lmao.
Never thought I see max defend Kobe over lebron in anything
Facts
He changed up after Kobe passed !!!
He’s still a clown 🤡
I feel so bad for anyone who has to talk basketball with Max. If you have found your self agreeing with Max on anything basketball you might want to rethink that position because it’s most likely incorrect 😂
Great list.