How to Remove Baffles/Packing From Vance & Hines Pipes/Mufflers-Louder Motorcycle Pipes?
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- Video-Do you have Vance & Hines pipes and/or slip-on mufflers on your Harley Davidson motorcycle? Are you looking for a little more sound out of them? In this video we show you how to remove the baffles, remove the fiberglass packing from around the baffles, & put the steel baffles back in.
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This will definitely increase the sound coming out of your Vance & Hines mufflers. We did this project specifically on Lurch's Vance & Hines Titan 450 Oversized Slip-On Mufflers that we installed on his 2015 Harley-Davidson Road Glide Special some time ago. They sounded great, but he wanted a bit more sound and we got it!
At the end of this video we do a full comparison and how the Harley sounded with the fiberglass packing in and with it removed!
We used to just tape cards to our spokes to get that sound. Those were good times. Sounds good. Keep the great videos coming.
Simpler times indeed. Rick from LAB.
No, we used a card and a clothespin.
I took my packing out and wrapped the baffles tight with header wrap. Sounds really good
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GREAT idea.
I like the stock sound but the video shows you always have an alternative thanks for that
Actually sounds a lot better with the packing in them. Without the packing it sounds way too hollow and tinny.
I agree. The exhaust sounds deeper with the packing. Without, it sounds kind of tinney.
In NYS, as of April 1, 2022 the fines for exhaust mods that make your bike louder than stock is $500. That fine is also levied against the inspection station AND the shop that did you mod. Same goes for cars but fine is $1000.
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Hello Ryan. This video was kinda exactly what I was looking for. My question is if I do remove the packing and put the baffles back in can I assume there won't be any performance issues such as the bike running too lean? I'm new in the MC world but really trying to learn. Thanks
That was exactly my question. Thanks D.
Any comments Ryan?
Thank you for another great tutorial!
If you want a bar hopper take packing out, if you ride your bike leave it in sounds better won't kill your ears after a 800 mile day.
Yah, we actually rode 4600 miles in 10 days cross country through 13 states a couple months ago. All good. Sounds is behind you. Yah, we ride long and far. We've done very long days.
You still have young ears, things change with age and wisdom.
I much prefer the sound with the packing.
Sounds waaaay better with wrapping out
If you’re using the fuelpak3 will you need to flash a new map after removing the insulation?
Sorry if I missed this part but does this motorcycle have the stock header pipes?
Question: it seems that most folks like the deeper sound of the pipes with the packing left in (so do I ). What about cutting the baffle down by 50% (chop sawing a center section, then weld the two ends back together)? Would this not make for better performance AND make it louder?
We're not sure the from of the baffle would line up with the head pipe then. If you decide to do it, let us know. We'd be interested in the results.
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Ryan Urlacher well, I've removed both baffles and left the packing in. for several reasons; 1. because it's not brand new it may make quite a mess getting them out, 2. if I do get them out I certainly won't get them back in, 3. I like the deep tone. so, what I'm running is a baffle similar to a Big City Thunder " Monster Baffle" ( its similar because BCT doesn't make a baffle for 4" mufflers. with this set up I've made sound improvements. but have list a fair amount of back pressure and I think the sound could be improved a bit. My main point is that there is no header pipe connection now, so if I put the original baffles back in and they don't meet a header pipe then so what? BTW, I have Vance & Hines slip on duals.
@@tyroneshoelace4872 Did it change the sound any?
We played the chicks monster ovals. No baffle and no glass and didn't like..tried no glass and full baffles..didn't like the crackling..settled on half baffle and half glass..sounds louder and throatier without the crackling..
Chrome Oversized 450 Raider Slip-On Mufflers - 16658--same scenario applies, correct? Have em on a 17 Street Glide. Thanks in advance.
It will affect the performance on the bike if I take tge wrap of my baffle??
Ryan, will this affect performance at all? I did this with my sport I'ld and it was all around awesome. Kept just alil packing to keep the sound clean. Thinking of doing the same on my Road King w/ RC Components slip ons. Hopefully it's the same set up. Just don't want to lose throttle response.
All is well. Just make sure to remap your EFI. That's our recommendation for optimum performance. www.lawabidingbiker.com/34/
Ryan Urlacher how do I remap the EFI? Is that something the dealer has to do?
Awesome vid guys!!! Question: Would you happen to know how many decibels were reached with this exhaust? Either pre or post modification??
We didn't run a decibel meter. I would say it a bit louder, but not obnoxious.
Just purchased 2022 roadglide m8 114, parts are backed ordered, roadglide has SCreamjng eagle stock pipes, bike is 100% stock.. if i take the packing out. Do i need to get a tuner?
Basically will i damage anything.? Will i gain power or lose power
Show me how to change mufflers one freeweller harley trick
With the baffle out you can tell, but not a BIG different. But great video Thank you!!!!
You're right Alan, not a ton of difference. They are a touch louder with a bit more rumble.
What about tuning? I have the FP3 with V&H Eliminator 400s, standard baffles and stock head pipes.
You can use the auto tune feature. The baffle is still intact, but the wrapping was removed.
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Ryan Urlacher, first off I love your videos, all very informative and quite helpful to the riding community, I must also say good audio quality on this review of your mods, it is somewhat helpful in making my decision wether or not to modify the exhaust on my bike, I have the exact same exhaust setup and tuner as in this video, did you have any issues with discoloration after many miles? Sense you have performed the mod would you recommend this if I am looking for alittle more sound or do you prefer the sound with the baffels in? Or would you say it's not really worth modifying because it did not change much at all? The audio quailty was good but of course its never the same as listening to it in person. Just looking for your personal opinion. Others mileage may vary. Thanks for all the informative stuff, y'all are really helping many of us out!
Josiah, I have had no discoloration issues. The baffles are still in the exhaust. We didn't remove the baffles, only the baffle wrapping. The sound louder, but not obnoxious. You can always put the wrapping back on the baffles if you want too.
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I apologize for my typo, I did mean baffle packing, not baffle removal. I get those two jumbled up in my head sometimes but clearly know the difference. Thank you for your very quick and also clear reply to my question. I think I will give it a shot and if I don't like it, worst off I'll have to buy new packing. Pipes have around 16k on them. Heck, might not be able to drive the end caps off. I will try to remember to post an update once I accomplish the task to help other users. currently away from my bike for bout another month, but will be riding again soon.
The end caps came of pretty easily for use. We did spray in a little WD-40 to help. Let us know how it goes for you.
I got a question I decatted my head pipe 2 days ago. I have cobra neighbor hater slip-ons which has no packing. Now I get the deceleration gurgling almost like in this video but worse which is very annoying. Is there anything I could do to the baffles to make it sound better. Like I said there's no packing whatsoever in cobra neighbor hater just a baffle with holes similar to the ones in the video.... Would tuning get rid of the gurgling? If so which one should I get.. not sure if I'm going to do cams ... Bike definitely runs a lot cooler with the cat gone
You can buy the packing material. Here is a link: bit.ly/3La9w1c
I have a 4.5 rcx slip on with no fp3. Will it affect anything if I do this?
Have you tried this? If so what results?
? I'm thinking about cutting my baffles wdyt have you done that to any bike I have Vance and Hines slip ons I removed my cat a couple years ago bike sounds ok but I would like just a little louder your feedback would be appreciated thank you
Back in the day we cut some baffles out. It does sound good, but you loose performance because of the lack of exhaust back pressure.
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Does it hurt anything to take the baffles out of a bike if you don’t have a fuel management system or tuner?
Anytime you change flow you should tune/remap you EFI for best performance and fuel economy. ==> shop.lawabidingbiker.com/search?q=fuelpak
With packing is better
To each their own.
don't listen to him without sounds hell of a lot better but don't you have to adjust your intake
I have V&H slash cut true duals ...do these have fiberglass inside?
Those have the metal perforated baffle.
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Hey Ryan. Rinehart now makes a baffle for their 4" & 4.5" slip ons. Have you guys done any comparison with them?
Not yet. We haven't had the opportunity yet. Sorry.
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Can I do the same whit original baffles?
The baffles on stock exhaust can be extremely difficult to remove and often require cutting and or grinding.
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What V&H slip-ons were those?
Titan OS 450. Here is a link to them: bit.ly/3wRVYk5
There is a tad bit of rattle between gears. The baffle has no support without the packing. It will break off eventually.
Nope, we run a ton of them thousands of miles cross-country. No issues. Thanks for watching.
I have twin slash rounds and know that they don't have packing. Will I have any issues if I remove the metal baffles?
If you do that you'll have to re-tune your Electronic Fuel Injection. We never recommend removing those baffles as you'll loose necessary back pressure. Your bike will loose power and not run optimally. But, it can be done. Not suggested. We recommend the V&H Fuel Pak 3 for re-mapping your EFI. We sell them right in our store and their are info/install videos there: ==> shop.lawabidingbiker.com/collections/air-fuel-exhaust/products/vance-hines-fuelpak3-efi-tuner-harley
Yes better with packing!
Hey Ryan. Really appreciate the video color very helpful. this may be a dumb question, but if I am careful when pulling the baffles/packing out, if I decide that it is too loud or has to be re-dynod, is it possible and or difficult to put the packing back in?
Yah, you can put it back in
@@RyanUrlacher thanks, buddy. Keep you the good work
Why not cut the metal baffle off before putting exhaust tip back on?
We just wanted to remove the baffle wrapping. Removing the baffle entirely would reduce back pressure and significantly effect engine performance.
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Can you reinstall the packing?
Yes, you can. Lurch actually put his packing back in after adding aftermarket headers.
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Ryan, please read my below comment and help a brotha out!
Will this change performance? I have a 2 in to 1 Vance and Hines
You'll definitely lose some back pressure but it's nothing a little retuning can't fix
Its definitely louder but doesnt sound very good.
Should retune if you remove the packing? I want to do that to my slip on 2-in-1 V&H 750 Street but not sure of the retuning if I have to?
Probably not a huge deal, but since we have @Vance&Hines FP3's we did. In reality the removal of packing isn't gonna throw off an already tuned bike much. So depends if you have already tunes from stock, etc. Rick from LAB.
It was tuned after they put on the pipes, exhaust and my SE air cleaner system. I was warned not to remove the packing as my bike might not run properly if I do that. Thoughts?
Ours in running fine. The metal baffle is still there. We just took out the packing. We ran an auto tune with our Vance and Hines FP3.
I'd leave the packing in if your worried it won't run right.
+Ryan Urlacher I want louder!! On thanks for the advice guys!!
On newer bikes with fuel mapping done by the ECU Its not necessary.
But if you have Carbs.. Oh yes,, definitely. You'll need a kit.
Thanks for the info!!!
Anytime Christopher ~ Ryan
Isn't that going to create more unnecessary heat ?
very little difference. leave the pipes alone. Sounds better with packing
Each to their own taste. Thanks for weighing in Jerry.
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you do the same
can you cut the baffles on the eliminator 400's to get a little more sound?
I mean shorten the baffles or is that not a good idea
Eric we don't have experience with eliminator 400's. Cutting down the baffles probably isn't a good idea. On these mufflers we just removed the baffle wrapping. The baffles are still intact.
Did you lose performance and gain HP?
Very minor. Not noticeable
Deeper sound with packing in as far as I hear…
Better without..
I’d def be interested to hear it with half the packing in there. Hopefully kill that fart tube noise
Sounds way better without the packing. Great job. Loud pipes save lives
yeah I think I'll leave mine in. Super cool difference though!
What about back pressure? I took my baffles out of my super radius and it sounded great but had absolutely no back pressure so I put them back in.
With packing. Lol. Thanks for the comparisons.
I think it sounds better with the packing
Great tip, thanks. I bought those V&H twin slash 2 into 1 for my dyna low rider and It’s so quiet. I will definitively try this on my bike.
LOUD PIPES SAVE LIVES!!! Thanks for this sweet tip...\m/
i did this to my V&H classic 2 mufflers on my vulcan 1500 years ago and it made all the difference! it took the bike from ok sounding to awesome!
Maybe quieter with the packing, but it sounded much better that way.
Rock on. Each rider has to decide what sound they want.
Sound better with packing, it'll eventually burn out anyway.
This is 5 yrs ago so not sure if anyone will respond, but I'm attempting to do this on mine and mine is not coming out nearly as easy as yours did. Mine are black and the end pieces and no where near as big as yours. Any ideas without damaging the pipes?
Thanks for the video,,,now I tried to remove the end-cups from my street glide and could not remove them .
you made it look very easy so I would think it was made it look easy just for the video.
Sounds like a couple beer cans off the head pipe without the packing.
Without the packing this bike sounds like trash no offence. Doing this sounds crazy on my 600 gsxr but on this twin im not sure im onboard, it sounds kinda clapped and sounded better with the packing in. Thanks for the vid bro, totally good comparison in showing the differences.
What if you cut the packing in half and used the half instead all of it? I just want it a little louder but not tin like sound.
Not sure, but it sounds worth a try.
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Well I ended up taking all the packing out and it sounds so much better. I started with half the packing, didn’t make much difference. Then dropped down to 1/4 of the packing, still nothing. Removed all the packing and I know have a bike I can hear. Thanks for sharing this video, it was helpful.
@@CrayzJohnny hello
Just wanna ask..vance and hines high output
Does it have the packing?
Can it be removed ?
How bout the tune ???
Wan Syahmi , I removed my packing completely. Already had the stage I air filter and screaming eagle tuner. I also installed the stage II power cam. My bike sounds good, loud (still within the law requirements in NH) and still goes pretty good. My red line is now 6500rpm and the bike pulls all the way to red line.
First thing I did with my V&H Pro Pipe.....sounds much better..
Hey Ryan thanks for the video I have the hi output V&H Slip-On. I removed the packing and got great sound but lost pressure and go throttle lag. I have a FP3 on my SGS will it correct this issue. Bikes stalls and fails to take off so times now
Yes, just run another auto tune on your bike. Good to go!
I did this on my rdc 11 sounded great and my str glide 14 and I'm fixing on doin it to my new str glide spe 17 there's no difference in performance and they sound much better!
Thank for sharing you experience. Other riders will want to know.
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Question, if I take the baffles and packing out of my factory SG will it affect the performance?
Well it make it run hot?
@@porkchop7268 no!!!
I have Vance and Hines 2 into one , hopefully same process
Should be the same process.
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Hey Ryan - Great video but I neglected to confirm I have slash cut V& H so wondering if you know HOW T.F. to get my baffles out? I removed the 2 screws on each side, sprayed WD-40 between the pipe & baffles and CAN'T get them to free up. Before I pull them back off of the bike and try and figure it out I thought I'd check with you. Thanks bro
They have a metal perforated baffle that has a straight pass through. In our experience they can be tough to remove if the pipes have been on the bike for a while due to heating and cooling. You may want to try pulling them out when they are warm.
I've removed most of the fiberglass packing from my Bassani DnT slip ons about a year ago. I love the sound. Only now I noticed the right muffler has this gold/amber tint spanning the lenth of the muffler. Does the packing protect the muffler from heat preventing discoloration? or am I running lean possibly? I have stock headers, aftermarket air cleaner. It was tuned by previous owner, supposedly.
The fiberglass packing could definitely reduce heat. Probably why you are seeing the discoloration. You can always pull your plugs to ensure you aren't running too lean.
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Will it hurt my 22 fatboy to cut the baffles in half on my vance and hines twin slashers
Any suggestions on how to get the packing out of a bike that has about 5K miles on it? Im getting the pipes and shields coated and it seems the packing is stuck to the tube. I think the fiberglass melted a bit and is now stuck.
It can be difficult on pipes that have had some miles on them. Brute force is really the only cure. Be careful not to damage them.
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Would this cause and computer issues on a 2007 electric glide classic? All factory with Vance and hines
No computer issue, but we recommend remapping your bike anytime you make a change to air/fuel/exhaust.
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I took my packing out of my bassani slipons I have fuel pak should I just do a auto tune session on my current map or reflash fresh then auto tune. It dont seem to run much different.
The auto tune session would be good. Just to fine tune things.
Wow! Can't believe those come out that easy. I have the vh eliminator 400's and they won't budge. I was able to get a screwdriver blade gap but I can't see getting mine out without damaging the end cap.
They were fairly new. We've done it on pipes that have been run a while and it can be tough! Ride safe & Ride Often!
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nice video, was wondering I have 15 road king with twin slash oval slip ons and vance and hines headers and stage 1 screaming eagle air intake, so it was tuned for that. if I remove just the packing like you said , do you think I will have to have retuned
We definitely recommend you run an auto tune map after removing the packing. That's why we never suggest getting Harley downloads. You are stuck if you ever make changes. We hightly recommend the V&H Fuelpak 3 EFI tuner. We run this tuner and sell it in our store. It gives you flexibility to make as many changes as you want. Then you can just run a simple auto tune map and be done..... Here is a link to the FP3 in our store and the free video we did ==> shop.lawabidingbiker.com/collections/air-fuel-exhaust/products/vance-hines-fuelpak3-efi-tuner-harley
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From memeory was the left baffle smaller in diameter...
Now ad some before and after dyno testing and you will find that your performance has dropped through out the entire powerband
Glad you enjoyed the video. Yup, no breaking news there and thanks for commenting. Power loss is negligible and most won't care as they're not racing their bike. It is about sound on this particular video. We have many other free videos on EFI tuning etc........You'll definitely want to remap your EFI after. Just ran an auto tune.
Ryan Urlacher Thanks for the how-to video. Im planning on taking out my baffles on my V&H OS 450. On my 17 CVOSG, is it required to remap?
With packing is mucho better. Why would anyone pay Vance & Hines the kind of money they ask for their products then disfigure it? Those guys over at Vance & Hines? They know what their doing, rest assured.
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I have the VH Slash cut rounds, any thought on how to remove the packing from this particular muffler??
There's no packing in Twin Slash Rounds. There is a standard steel baffle and a quiet baffle that V&H sells. There is only one or two screws at the end of the slip on that removes the steel baffle.
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Bummed to find out my Tourqers already have the packing out… they just don’t have that snap to them and was hoping this would remedy that. Still a cool video, thanks for sharing.
What are you guys using to clean the pipes out of the fingerprints ?
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That's not very smart now your gonna get buzzing from the vibrations. You you should take off the insert by cutting it of the caps.
On this particular mufflers the baffle seats in the muffler and doesn't vibrate. It may on others though...
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Will taking packing out void the warranty??
Also will it mess with the back pressure? I got the vanes hines 300 elminator fatboy 2019
V&H must make the harley pipes pretty quiet. I have full V&H on my magna and even with significant hearing loss and full face helmet they still make my ears want to bleed after about an hour.
I know this was 2016 buts its amazing how we still havent learned not to record exhaust notes directly behind the exhaust. Its too loud for the camera mic to pick up clearly.
Hi my name is Vinny. I have a Question. If I remove the Parking inside the exhaust the Power and the RPM will be Drop ? I just upgraded my bike to stage 2 Tkhs
Hi, do they come out of the factory with bafflers? I have the 'big Shot Long' I have never taken them apart, I thought they were already without
Hey Ryan, Can the packing be put back on the baffle and reinserted easily?
Absolutely Gary, just be nice when you are pulling it out and you can put it right back in.
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How does removing the packing effect the heat on the muffler? Does it cause any discoloration?
No tuner needed with slip-ons.....if you take the packing out...that increases the air flow....do you now need a tuner??
Will you lose power by taking out the fiberglass packing from the baffles?
No, The medal baffles are still in there which provide the back pressure. The packing just reduces the sound.
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Thanks Ryan one more question. I have the V&H hi output shorts. Since watching this video I have took out the insulation. It's louder for sure but not what I want. If I cut the baffle in half as well will I lose any performance?
I have the same exhaust what would it sound like if you just took the baffles and the packing and left everything out
Will removing the baffles negatively effect bottom end or top end power and potentially damage my engine ?
I GOT A XL883L WITH VANCE AND HINES I WANT TO TAKE OUT THE BAFFELS BUT CANT SEE THEM AND THERE ARE NO SCREWS? WHAT NOW I NEED IT LOUDER..
I did this for my 2020fxbb. It sounds a throatier and a lil louder. Though i can feel less back preasure and RPM is like 100-200 higher than before.
I have a 2017 Street Glide Special with stock exhaust. Would I have any issues with the emissions monitoring system if I modded/removed the packing and/or baffles? I really don't want to drop 700 dollars on a set of slip ons right now. Thanks!
Any time you change the exhaust or intake you should remap your bike. We prefer to use the Vance and Hines FP3. shop.lawabidingbiker.com/collections/air-fuel-exhaust/products/vance-hines-fuelpak3-efi-tuner-harley
Sounds the same
First time streetglide owner will this work on Vans and Hines as i only have one screw to take off
I've got some V&H HO slipons that could use a bit more sound. Is Lurch happy with the new sound? Did this affect performance at all?
Did not affect performance. We just simply ran a new EFI auto tune session on his Vance & Hines Fuelpak 3 EFI tuner. Here is a resource for that: www.lawabidingbiker.com/fuelpak3
Lurch loves the new sound...perfect.