UPDATE: Adding these baffles will greatly reduce the noise emitted but will limit the performance of your engine and because the engine will have to work harder to compensate, fuel consumption will increase.
@@highoctanegarage4301 I read and watched those same reviews before I tried them too. I guess I can't speak to anyone else's experience but for me they stiffled exceleration and because I had to pull harder on the throttle to make up for that, fuel economy was in the toilet. For me the theory of back pressure equalling performance sounded good but the reality didn't live up to it, at least on my stock engine
My neigbours love my shortshots. They wave at me with their fists as I ride fast. At night, they turn on their house lights to say 'hi', and babies cry me a special greeting.
Some years ago I made 'inside tube' 500mm long from SS net, with 3-4mm holes and wrapped with ceramic wool... The noice came down around+20-27db, depending on length of the tube.. I could not feel any difference on the power.. yet neighbors were extremely happy..
Totally agree had some straight throughs on a sportsters and couldnt take the racket on a long ride, so returned it to standard, stopped all the poping as well.
Go into your local hearing clinic and get them to make you a set of custom molded noise attenuation ear plugs. Your ears and Cochlea will LOVE you for the rest of your riding days. And in case someone is wondering if just a couple dB makes a big difference, the answer is YES as dB is based on a logarithmic scale and so as you go louder the spread increases drastically. as such to go from 80dB down to 70dB is a huge drop in sound
I bought a bike with some StraightShots. I also got the Super Q for them since my right ear once ringed for a month after a concert. Now I don't take any risks. Ear plugs in concerts and baffles on the exhaust. I also don't like to be a pain to the neighbours when I go out super early or late night. Sometimes I want to hear the Vance&Hines sound as it should be, but too much trouble to be changing the baffles everytime, so I just let it be. Maybe someday I'll invest on some 'dr jekill and mr hyde' exhaust with the valve so I can easily switch from loud to quiet.
just installed these a couple of days ago .i lost that nice fast throttle response and alot of power from low and mid once in higher rev range it seems to still rip. made my fxfb from a monsta into a tame beast .i will be taking them off and just keeping them for a wof if needed ,alot quieter and i would say ok sounding but not as nice as the standard baffles imo ,a real shame i was hoping for same sound just a bit quieter ,thanks for the vid my fellow kiwi
Thank you for the comparison video. I got V&H side shots on my HD iron. The stock baffles on mine are insanely loud. Love the low growl of those super Q's. Sounds great. Definitely gonna put some on mine. 👍👍
love the look and the sound of the short shots but i find myself always worrying that my boot is going to melt on the pipe why they made them drop behind the the foot peg and not in front got me baffled
@@MisterKiwiRider I was up in Scotland a few months back, had to rent a car. It's been about 10 years since I've had to drive on the left (lived in Japan for a few years). I had the car for less than a day before I ran into something LOL. Not as easy as it seems. Ride safe
I bought a 2014 FatBob with Short shots , no baffles at all. It was fun for a while, but I was sick of decel popping . I ordered quiet baffles also. I installed them last night . Major reduction. It’s not rattling the windows inside the house when it fires up anymore . It was late when I finished so I only ran up the road or mile or too. I did notice right away it didn’t fall on its face after throttle off anymore
Cheers! In the end I removed them. The ultimate finding was that if I wanted to quiet the pipes using baffles I'd have to accept that they throttled the engine and lowered performance. I wasn't happy with that and put the stock ones back in some weeks later.
Hey Mate, gidday from a fellow Kiwi living in up state NY. Yeah just got me an intruder 800 for next to nothing, but it has short side cuts with no baffles, so it's pretty efing loud. Still have some ceramic baffle material from when I did up a vintage 1979 Honda Cm400 2 into 1. Was just checking out what other brands guys are using when your vid popped up ! Enjoy life there in God's own , cos I tell you what mate, it's phuking crazy here in the states.
Heat shields are a huge pain😖 I have the ringing of the ears 100% of the time. It sucks. So while the reasoning for putting these on I get. However.....on a spiritual level I fundamentally disagree with ever making a beautiful machine like that more quiet😁
@@Olizart With the stock baffles they sit around 75 to 80, without baffles they sit around 85 to 90 and, because decibel measurement isn't an even progression, at that reading they were unbearably loud 👍
@@MisterKiwiRider OK, geez I thought it would have been even more. Whats the legal limit there in NZ? I think it's around 92 here in Austratlia NSW, so it still would have been legal eh. Only asking cos I'm gettin a Wide Glide this weekend with Short Shots (it was friggen load) and done want a defect from the Po Po.
I certainly wasn't intentionally shielding the mic. It was a non-scientific reading just to give a sense of any sound difference. It was an app from the Google play store. Likely one of the first free ones that come up when I searched decibel reader 👍
Will I be able to pass NY state inspection with short shots on my Harley 48? Anyone know? I'm worried about it as I just bought a 48 with the VH short shots and intake and taking delivery of it in a couple days and worried about inspection now.
I am in the exact same scenario right now and get my bike in a couple days. Did you pass NY inspection? I have the Python full exhaust and screaming eagle air filter stage 1. I'm so stressed about inspection and don't even think there are baffles in the pipes. How'd it go for you? If u wanna see my bike, it is my thumbnail and in community tab on yt. Please lmk how you did. Hope it went OK for you.
The Main reason about this behavior is because you need to remap the bike, the map for standar and quiet bafles are different, so, if you just change to standar to quiet without remap you will get poor performance.
Not long after this I removed these baffles, installed stage two and dynoed the engine. Got 100hp out of it. This bike has a new owner now. A young guy who seems to be enjoying it hugely. Cheers to you!
I had only just installed my short shots on my Vstar. Way to loud and my ears are paying the price. They should have the option of quiet baffles for their product. Also on a side note I prefer the old garage days album. Not the new stuff. Metallica were crazy in the early days. I’m referring to the poster on your garage wall. Peace
Super Q aren't good if you have cams with bigger than stock overlap. On decel reversion popping in the pipes spits back into the inlet/carb. Yes they leave low end torque but it's not good to lug at low revs. 500 miles in will be a lot louder under load. Getting them back out after the plastic has melted is a long job. There is no shortcut to digging the fiberglass out with a hooked wire. GLOVES..... Outside. Really, the glass fibre dust will make everything sparkly for weeks. Next time I would definitely take my advice.
I found this video to find out how to remove the baffles. I ain't putting any quieter ones in lmfao why would I want a quiet bike never mind a quiet HARLEY???????????
I have the twin slash cut on my '21 sportster and are loud af! I mean, 90dB on idling and 95-105dB on heavy throttle. Seeking to replace them with screamin' eagle street canon because I’m tired of getting tuckets every 3 days and the SE are suposed to be street legal 🤷🏻♂️
man your baffles came out easy, tried to do mine on my v&h longshots, nope not happening, had to grind bolt head off as it stripped even after a good soaking of wd40 then the baffle would not come out, alot of swearing later, {and i mean alot} found another bolt and put it back together, so old baffles stay
Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason. When I took these ones back out it was a two day job with similar problems to you. Ahh, the joys of doing it yourself.
You must have older pipes on your Bike. Remove the bolts securing the baffles in the pipes. Ride it like that for a while. When you notice the baffles moving out a bit, soak them with a penetrating spray liquid overnight. Then ride it some more. If you really want to remove the baffles, remove the pipes so you can stand them on end. Then spray penetrating in and let them sit overnight.
Hi there, unfortunately I never got the chance to find out. The baffles throttled the engine too much for my liking and I went back to the original ones
Could you compare original HD exhaust with combination of V&H + Super Quiet baffles? Is combination of V&H+Super quiet baffles much more louder than original HD exhaust?
Forgive me if I have misunderstood but do you mean one pipe with a Super Q and one with an original baffle at the same time? I wouldn't recommend that. Because the Super Q also baffles the engine, making it work harder, each cylinder would be working at different rates, which would likely be a recipe for disaster.
@@MisterKiwiRider No :) I have now stock Harley exhaust and I would like to replace them by V&H Shortshots + Super quiet baffles. So Im trying t find some info how louder it will be :)
@@marosjurina1996 I see. Perhaps if you still have the stock ones on your bike you could do a similar decibel reading and then compare my reading and yours 👍
UPDATE: Adding these baffles will greatly reduce the noise emitted but will limit the performance of your engine and because the engine will have to work harder to compensate, fuel consumption will increase.
So I’ve heard mixed reviews, some say it will help with performance because of back pressure and now your saying it affects it?🤔
@@highoctanegarage4301 I read and watched those same reviews before I tried them too. I guess I can't speak to anyone else's experience but for me they stiffled exceleration and because I had to pull harder on the throttle to make up for that, fuel economy was in the toilet. For me the theory of back pressure equalling performance sounded good but the reality didn't live up to it, at least on my stock engine
Hey. Great vid! Was it correct to leave the plastic on the baffle when innstalling? Thx👍
@@Martin-bh1nx yes, the plastic is intended to be left on for instalation
Engines don’t like back pressure. I don’t know why people keep thinking that.
My neigbours love my shortshots. They wave at me with their fists as I ride fast. At night, they turn on their house lights to say 'hi', and babies cry me a special greeting.
Haha, aww, well that's very lovely of them. What a nice neighborhood 😁👌
mine set of V&H's staggers set off car alarms......
@@aussietj1 hahaha. mine do, too, in multi-storey car parks. Makes my day :-)
I have short shots on the 114 fatboy,, looks good , but fuck there loud,, I can hear the neighbours moan from 3 houses away 🤣🤣🤣, small rural community
Comedy gold. 😄
Good to see an honest presentation by a down to earth guy.
Cheers 🤟😎
Exactly the comparison I was looking for, thank you
Some years ago I made 'inside tube' 500mm long from SS net, with 3-4mm holes and wrapped with ceramic wool... The noice came down around+20-27db, depending on length of the tube.. I could not feel any difference on the power.. yet neighbors were extremely happy..
Subscribed. Missing NZ a lot right now. Any Kiwi-related biker content always welcome. :-)
Totally agree had some straight throughs on a sportsters and couldnt take the racket on a long ride, so returned it to standard, stopped all the poping as well.
It's " baffling" .......how much I love your vids
Haha, thank you brother 👊😎
Go into your local hearing clinic and get them to make you a set of custom molded noise attenuation ear plugs. Your ears and Cochlea will LOVE you for the rest of your riding days.
And in case someone is wondering if just a couple dB makes a big difference, the answer is YES as dB is based on a logarithmic scale and so as you go louder the spread increases drastically. as such to go from 80dB down to 70dB is a huge drop in sound
I just use earplug headphone combo. I can't hear jack shit while riding
@@Dest74what brand do you use?
Thanks for the vid. love the way my short shots sound in the city, but not on the highway.
I bought a bike with some StraightShots. I also got the Super Q for them since my right ear once ringed for a month after a concert. Now I don't take any risks. Ear plugs in concerts and baffles on the exhaust.
I also don't like to be a pain to the neighbours when I go out super early or late night. Sometimes I want to hear the Vance&Hines sound as it should be, but too much trouble to be changing the baffles everytime, so I just let it be.
Maybe someday I'll invest on some 'dr jekill and mr hyde' exhaust with the valve so I can easily switch from loud to quiet.
Sounds smoother for sure
With all the variations in colour on the pipes, it actually looks fantastic, hardcore and just plain cool with the heat shields off
Good idea!
with quiet baffles sounds much better in my opinion
As a paid mechanic I meddle along every day lol. You said all there is to do now is place the heat shield I just laughed. Good job
Haha! Those bloody heat shields were the worst brother. I cut out all the swearing 🤬🔥🤬🔥🤬🔥😂
just installed these a couple of days ago .i lost that nice fast throttle response and alot of power from low and mid once in higher rev range it seems to still rip. made my fxfb from a monsta into a tame beast .i will be taking them off and just keeping them for a wof if needed ,alot quieter and i would say ok sounding but not as nice as the standard baffles imo ,a real shame i was hoping for same sound just a bit quieter ,thanks for the vid my fellow kiwi
Thanks Mike. Yes, ultimately I replaced back to stock for similar reasons. all the best 🤙
Thank you for the comparison video. I got V&H side shots on my HD iron. The stock baffles on mine are insanely loud. Love the low growl of those super Q's. Sounds great. Definitely gonna put some on mine. 👍👍
I had to quiet my exhaust because of ears on long trips, not a Harley or Vance and Hines but the ears love me now...lol
Mine will to I'm sure 😁👌
My question was answered about the plastic wrapping over the insulation.
I left it on but wasn't certain.
Good enough
Great job!! I agree heat shields are a pain in the ass!!! Thanks for posting!!!
You did great. Liked the video!
love the look and the sound of the short shots but i find myself always worrying that my boot is going to melt on the pipe why they made them drop behind the the foot peg and not in front got me baffled
I onced got pulled over by a cop in a bike, instead of giving me a ticket he wanted to race 😅
😆👌 Nice!
looking at a Cvo deluxe with these pipes on it. I'm glad I can quite down alittle because they look great but I don't want it super loud.
Right tighty, lefty losey??? I thought bolt threads where opposite south of the equator? 🤔🤔🤔😛She sounds great man!
Nah, it's only the side of the road we drive on that is "arse about face" down here 😁
@@MisterKiwiRider I was up in Scotland a few months back, had to rent a car. It's been about 10 years since I've had to drive on the left (lived in Japan for a few years). I had the car for less than a day before I ran into something LOL. Not as easy as it seems. Ride safe
Hahaha! That's the first thing that came to mind when I heard him say it! Greetings from Canada!
Nice review sir. Well done
Thank you kindly
I bought a 2014 FatBob with Short shots , no baffles at all. It was fun for a while, but I was sick of decel popping . I ordered quiet baffles also. I installed them last night . Major reduction. It’s not rattling the windows inside the house when it fires up anymore . It was late when I finished so I only ran up the road or mile or too. I did notice right away it didn’t fall on its face after throttle off anymore
Awesome, I hope they work out for you in the long run
Love your vid, thanks for explaining everything. Any update on what you did to fix the power issue these baffles cause in terms of acceleration?
Cheers! In the end I removed them. The ultimate finding was that if I wanted to quiet the pipes using baffles I'd have to accept that they throttled the engine and lowered performance. I wasn't happy with that and put the stock ones back in some weeks later.
Maybe a fuel pack 3 tuner will adjust for the quite baffles ?
Hey Mate, gidday from a fellow Kiwi living in up state NY.
Yeah just got me an intruder 800 for next to nothing, but it has short side cuts with no baffles, so it's pretty efing loud. Still have some ceramic baffle material from when I did up a vintage 1979 Honda Cm400 2 into 1. Was just checking out what other brands guys are using when your vid popped up !
Enjoy life there in God's own , cos I tell you what mate, it's phuking crazy here in the states.
Well done👊. I will say the quite baffles help a lot and a tune will also help. Great video guys.
Thank you Tony, yes, a tune is definitely in order now 👍
Well done Kiwi...nice vid 👍👍👍
Heat shields are a huge pain😖 I have the ringing of the ears 100% of the time. It sucks. So while the reasoning for putting these on I get. However.....on a spiritual level I fundamentally disagree with ever making a beautiful machine like that more quiet😁
Great video but I took my baffles completely out. It’s a Harley, so I want that Harley sound. :)
Haha, I hear you 😁👍
I can't help but wonder what dbs you are getting without the baffles. Could you d'load that app and let us know? Cheers mate. ;)
@@Olizart With the stock baffles they sit around 75 to 80, without baffles they sit around 85 to 90 and, because decibel measurement isn't an even progression, at that reading they were unbearably loud 👍
@@MisterKiwiRider OK, geez I thought it would have been even more. Whats the legal limit there in NZ? I think it's around 92 here in Austratlia NSW, so it still would have been legal eh. Only asking cos I'm gettin a Wide Glide this weekend with Short Shots (it was friggen load) and done want a defect from the Po Po.
Nice video. I wished you held the phone exactly the same way at the 2nd reading . It looks like you are shielding the mic .
What app are you using ?
I certainly wasn't intentionally shielding the mic. It was a non-scientific reading just to give a sense of any sound difference. It was an app from the Google play store. Likely one of the first free ones that come up when I searched decibel reader 👍
I dont know look like you handle the rag on stick like a pro. 👍😁👍👂👍
Haha, you're too kind! I have various rags and sticks, maybe I could go professional?
@@MisterKiwiRider LOL 😆
Merci pour ta vidéo ✌
Will I be able to pass NY state inspection with short shots on my Harley 48? Anyone know? I'm worried about it as I just bought a 48 with the VH short shots and intake and taking delivery of it in a couple days and worried about inspection now.
I am in the exact same scenario right now and get my bike in a couple days. Did you pass NY inspection? I have the Python full exhaust and screaming eagle air filter stage 1. I'm so stressed about inspection and don't even think there are baffles in the pipes. How'd it go for you? If u wanna see my bike, it is my thumbnail and in community tab on yt. Please lmk how you did. Hope it went OK for you.
Totally limited performance in my Nighster 1200. It was impossible to ride anymore, no acceleration at all.
Agreed, I removed them only a few weeks later
The Main reason about this behavior is because you need to remap the bike, the map for standar and quiet bafles are different, so, if you just change to standar to quiet without remap you will get poor performance.
Should adjust engine controler(Fp3, Dyno jet, stb)
Not long after this I removed these baffles, installed stage two and dynoed the engine. Got 100hp out of it. This bike has a new owner now. A young guy who seems to be enjoying it hugely. Cheers to you!
Are the stock baffles installed in the V&H pipes when new?
Yes they are 👍
Apologies my friend, I was reading your recent comment and deleted it by accident >-
Well done.
I had only just installed my short shots on my Vstar. Way to loud and my ears are paying the price.
They should have the option of quiet baffles for their product.
Also on a side note I prefer the old garage days album. Not the new stuff. Metallica were crazy in the early days. I’m referring to the poster on your garage wall. Peace
Super Q aren't good if you have cams with bigger than stock overlap. On decel reversion popping in the pipes spits back into the inlet/carb. Yes they leave low end torque but it's not good to lug at low revs. 500 miles in will be a lot louder under load. Getting them back out after the plastic has melted is a long job. There is no shortcut to digging the fiberglass out with a hooked wire. GLOVES..... Outside. Really, the glass fibre dust will make everything sparkly for weeks. Next time I would definitely take my advice.
I found this video to find out how to remove the baffles. I ain't putting any quieter ones in lmfao why would I want a quiet bike never mind a quiet HARLEY???????????
I have the twin slash cut on my '21 sportster and are loud af! I mean, 90dB on idling and 95-105dB on heavy throttle.
Seeking to replace them with screamin' eagle street canon because I’m tired of getting tuckets every 3 days and the SE are suposed to be street legal 🤷🏻♂️
I hope the change works out well for you ✌
Really interesting vid and result. Your ears will love you for it ! Just curious what is the decibel app you were using ?
I think it is just called Sound Metre 👍
Kept on wanting to sing Iron Man. 😆
😆I didn't pick it until you mentioned it! You're right!
Thanks for sharing, yes the heat shields are a pain in the ass!!!!
Haha, yes they are!
Do the quiet baffles have a plug in the end to stop flow ?
Yes, they do. I wound up removing these after a short time due to poor engine performance
So, did you do the tune. I may have missed that if you did. How's the performance now?
I actually switched back to the original baffles after advice from the workshop. These quiet baffles just limited the engine far too much
man your baffles came out easy, tried to do mine on my v&h longshots, nope not happening, had to grind bolt head off as it stripped even after a good soaking of wd40 then the baffle would not come out, alot of swearing later, {and i mean alot} found another bolt and put it back together, so old baffles stay
Sometimes there's no rhyme or reason. When I took these ones back out it was a two day job with similar problems to you. Ahh, the joys of doing it yourself.
You must have older pipes on your Bike.
Remove the bolts securing the baffles in the pipes. Ride it like that for a while. When you notice the baffles moving out a bit, soak them with a penetrating spray liquid overnight. Then ride it some more.
If you really want to remove the baffles, remove the pipes so you can stand them on end. Then spray penetrating in and let them sit overnight.
@@ardyrides834 awesome thanks for the info will give it a shot
Have they got louder over time? I heard that the insulation degrades over time.
Hi there, unfortunately I never got the chance to find out. The baffles throttled the engine too much for my liking and I went back to the original ones
where do you find the part number on the V&H pipes exaust system so I know what model of baffle to buy?
I looked up my pipes on the V&H website, which then indicates which baffles will suit that model
Could you compare original HD exhaust with combination of V&H + Super Quiet baffles? Is combination of V&H+Super quiet baffles much more louder than original HD exhaust?
Forgive me if I have misunderstood but do you mean one pipe with a Super Q and one with an original baffle at the same time? I wouldn't recommend that. Because the Super Q also baffles the engine, making it work harder, each cylinder would be working at different rates, which would likely be a recipe for disaster.
@@MisterKiwiRider No :) I have now stock Harley exhaust and I would like to replace them by V&H Shortshots + Super quiet baffles. So Im trying t find some info how louder it will be :)
@@marosjurina1996 I see. Perhaps if you still have the stock ones on your bike you could do a similar decibel reading and then compare my reading and yours 👍
@@MisterKiwiRider Im still not 100% decided if I will go into these V&H :) But if I will, I will try to make something similar ...
@@marosjurina1996 good luck and all the best. Enjoy the ride, whatever you decide 🤟
Is that a leather ground sheet?
Nah, just a piece of carpet
Are their quiet baffells that can go in hd 1200 stock pipes
I'm pretty sure the stock baffles in them are the quietest you'll find 👍
If you don’t ride with earplugs then your ears are gonna suffer from riding even if your exhaust is quiet.
Baffles? We don't need no stinkin' baffles! Pulled them out of my V&H Super Radius pipes. Actually not that loud.
phone db won't really pick up low end decibels you would need a proper db reading tool
Thank you, I appreciate the infor. I figured it wouldnt be overly precise. Just enough to show any difference against its own readings 👍
@@MisterKiwiRider i'm sure with the proper meter it would be a bigger difference.
Bro kinda looks like Ragnar lothbrok
Harley using 13mm bolts??! Heresy!!!
Hahaha, yeah, I probably should have got the correct imperial size but it's easier to find metric here 😎🤙
Good video but maybe it’s your music hurting your ears!
I was waiting for:
“Oh crap! I forgot to get a decibel reading of the stock baffles!”
Hahaha, I've definitely done silly stuff like that before!
That’s not worth it
Agreed. It wasn't
👎🏼
Why would you want any bike to be quieter? I want to wake the dead….on another continent
😄 Point taken 👍