I just started throwing no spin thorn style with a Gil Hibben triple set, resembles a big bowie knife, good weight to it. Am very accurate at 5 to 7ft, after that my throws are not as consistently accurate/stable, but improving at. I will practice this most definitely I'll let you know how I do! Thinking about ordering the Boker Magnum Zeil 2.
Welcome to the world of knife throwing no-spin style! If you don't know it yet, there are a few groups on Facebook (if you use the platform) with throwers from several different styles including Thorn and Skanf, filled with good people who can always also chime in if you have questions about Thorn style or Skanf style. A lot of people say that Boker Magnum Ziel is a pretty good set. For someone starting out, also consider the TomTom arrows for no-spin in general. Manufactured in France though so will need to import, and can be a bit pricier depending on your budget. For Skanf, it's going to use a different body mechanic primarily starting from your hips that might feel weird at first. If you've done any martial arts or racket/throwing sports though, you'll grasp the concept and the knack of things relatively easier. Let me know if you have any questions 👍
I'm curious about the heavy blade strike method. I'd also say it might not be a coincidence since the Skanf system was created with foundations directly from a martial art the founder was a practitioner of. I don't know what it is exactly but it looks like a derivative of Systema's ballistic power creation. Nothing confirmed though.
@@SilenMonser My teacher wants me to use the bigger muscle groups to move initiate the arm/ blade movement with stress on economy of motion. Mine is an 18” blade Kershaw camp blade. In expensive yet pretty good production blade. We are back to focus on small blades and bare hands for now.
Taking the necessary saftey precautions while throwing knives includes NOT wearing open toe sandals. Also, it looks a bit strange to wear a beanie and jacket with sandals. It's like seeing someone at the beach wearing snow boots and swimming shorts.
You’re very much right with the safety precaution statement. Don’t do what I did with the sandals unless you understand and accept the risks of doing so. My martial arts experience gives me strong confidence and reflexes to minimize the risks of wearing sandals so I accepted the risk and took that chance. As for my get up… 😅 at least you found it interesting? I usually wear hats or beanies for hair control.
The Value: You'll honestly have to ask others who found value with this video. When I made this video, it was for those interested in understanding Skanf's wave system/method of knife throwing. Its target audience is the knife-throwing community who don't understand how Skanf is different from other Instinctive throwing methods. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there are viewers who want to learn the basics of this style before developing it to work in actual combat motion. Whether that works or not is dependent on their own training. Also, you're in the 2nd video that's trying to explain a transition from throwing with the arm extending in front (1st tutorial), to what is needed to throw with a sidearm the Skanf way (3rd tutorial). It's not trying to teach/show combat effectiveness or how this would work in combat this is a foundation topic. Kind of like how it's not effective to teach someone how to write essays or books when students have yet to develop skills for writing the alphabet and basic sentences (the foundations of writing). *** Why bother making this video? ---Because there was quite a debate about Skanf vs Instinctive knife throwing. There was quite a bit of miscommunication and misunderstanding (which I think stems from translation issues since it's originally a Russian style). The most common misunderstanding was thinking Skanf specifically was technique when it was more correct to think of it as a system. It's like calling this specific punching technique Boxing but really, it's called a jab (a technique WITHIN the Boxing system). *** Why present it as a tutorial that breaks down how to move the body parts to throw like this? --- Because many people were trying to reverse-engineer this throw, but were using incorrect/inefficient approaches to explain how it works. When it's not clicking, most people tend to chalk it up as hogwash. ------------------ COMBAT USE: Personally, I don't think knife throwing should be used in a combat scenario unless you (1) absolutely must, or (2) you are very skilled and experienced with unarmed fighting to back up losing your knife. **"You're throwing at about 6-8 feet. Try that as you opponent is rushing you. I think that you have disarmed yourself." --- Your points are somewhat valid but keep in mind this is mainly because you're scrutinizing a video on basic foundations with intent to explain how this is different from Instinctive No-Spin (brush/push method). This video is NOT trying to show how you can use this in a combative situation. Your point is better suited asking someone who has training to use it in combat situations. Thomas Holtmann of Blade Craft Method would be one person I can think of. Ioannis Logaras is another but I can't find his channel. I personally don't think you need longer distances for knife-throwing to be effective. Rather, throwing in close range requires unarmed combat training and experience to know how to spot opportunities to throw the knife and take advantage of the opening it can potentially create. But to satisfy your approach about distance, there are other videos already. For example, this is my teacher (jump to about 2:30 for the long distance throw) : th-cam.com/video/q2BU6UuZaL4/w-d-xo.html. There's also Joel Holopainen: th-cam.com/video/OOBBugv7nAc/w-d-xo.html And here's me with close range. Again, I would prefer not to throw the knife just yet in your scenario unless "(2) you are very skilled and experienced with unarmed fighting to back up losing your knife." Much the same, I probably would not rush in if I see you holding the knife like the first 3 throws here: th-cam.com/video/jSF9st8FXnc/w-d-xo.html. I wouldn't know how skilled you are, and I'm already wary/hesitant of rushing in to potentially getting stabbed at least 5 times very quickly. *** Why am I showing reverse-grip when we're discussing this video? --- Because as I mentioned, this video is part of the foundations set (parts 1, 2, and 3). Reverse grip is just a different grip using the same foundational body movements taught here. It begins to open up other grips like saber grip: th-cam.com/video/R9Ph0SqLhk4/w-d-xo.html. After that, it's up to you to practice with drills for pressuring scenarios to make things work. The shape might look different (overhand, sidearm, underhand, reverse grip, saber, grip, regular grip), but the essence of the body mechanics is the same (rotational energy, wave energy, pulling forces, inertia, elastic forces). It's abstract. What would you objectively, honestly, realistically do if someone rushes you at this range and you have a knife in hand? I'll likely have the same answer as you. Again, throwing would just be an opportune moment best accompanied by very good unarmed fighting experience. Don't get caught up in fantasy. With that said, I probably need a disclaimer line explicitly indicating the purpose of the video. I hope this video helps answer your questions.
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Excellent tutorial. You broke down this method very well.
From all the style I have seen, skanf is my favourite . I think that Aleksey (and naturally Olga) are some of the best examples of Fedin’s work.
Most definitely. Both their styles are slightly different and yet their technique is highly refined to manifest the Skanf goals.
@@SilenMonser absolutely agree:)
It was perfectly explained. Thank you for sharing, sir.
Fantastic content. Really good stuff. Keep it going! Your throwing is maturing and looking great.
I dont think Ive ever heard it better explained. Touche!
Thanks for your well said tutorial. The Best I ever watched 😍
I just started throwing no spin thorn style with a Gil Hibben triple set, resembles a big bowie knife, good weight to it. Am very accurate at 5 to 7ft, after that my throws are not as consistently accurate/stable, but improving at. I will practice this most definitely I'll let you know how I do! Thinking about ordering the Boker Magnum Zeil 2.
Welcome to the world of knife throwing no-spin style! If you don't know it yet, there are a few groups on Facebook (if you use the platform) with throwers from several different styles including Thorn and Skanf, filled with good people who can always also chime in if you have questions about Thorn style or Skanf style.
A lot of people say that Boker Magnum Ziel is a pretty good set. For someone starting out, also consider the TomTom arrows for no-spin in general. Manufactured in France though so will need to import, and can be a bit pricier depending on your budget.
For Skanf, it's going to use a different body mechanic primarily starting from your hips that might feel weird at first. If you've done any martial arts or racket/throwing sports though, you'll grasp the concept and the knack of things relatively easier.
Let me know if you have any questions 👍
Ok thank you. Funny, this is similar to a heavy blade strike as I’m being taught. Except I don’t release the blade. 🧐
I'm curious about the heavy blade strike method.
I'd also say it might not be a coincidence since the Skanf system was created with foundations directly from a martial art the founder was a practitioner of. I don't know what it is exactly but it looks like a derivative of Systema's ballistic power creation. Nothing confirmed though.
@@SilenMonser My teacher wants me to use the bigger muscle groups to move initiate the arm/ blade movement with stress on economy of motion. Mine is an 18” blade Kershaw camp blade. In expensive yet pretty good production blade. We are back to focus on small blades and bare hands for now.
Nice Tengu Kudaki from delta2alphadesign..
Rock solid!
Thank you!
Can you make the third tutorial
Yup, but that will come with time. I'll need to organize how to present the information b/c I tend to ramble a lot if I do it spontaneously.
Is That a Tengu Kudaki in your hand 🤩?
Most definitely is! Instantly became my top favorite at first throw 😄👍👍👍
@@SilenMonser I am rather partial to it as well. Be cool to see you putting in work it.
Taking the necessary saftey precautions while throwing knives includes NOT wearing open toe sandals. Also, it looks a bit strange to wear a beanie and jacket with sandals. It's like seeing someone at the beach wearing snow boots and swimming shorts.
You’re very much right with the safety precaution statement. Don’t do what I did with the sandals unless you understand and accept the risks of doing so.
My martial arts experience gives me strong confidence and reflexes to minimize the risks of wearing sandals so I accepted the risk and took that chance.
As for my get up… 😅 at least you found it interesting? I usually wear hats or beanies for hair control.
What is the value of this?
Your throwing at about 6-8 feet. Try that as you opponent is rushing you. I think that you have disarmed yourself.
The Value: You'll honestly have to ask others who found value with this video.
When I made this video, it was for those interested in understanding Skanf's wave system/method of knife throwing. Its target audience is the knife-throwing community who don't understand how Skanf is different from other Instinctive throwing methods. However, I wouldn't be surprised if there are viewers who want to learn the basics of this style before developing it to work in actual combat motion. Whether that works or not is dependent on their own training.
Also, you're in the 2nd video that's trying to explain a transition from throwing with the arm extending in front (1st tutorial), to what is needed to throw with a sidearm the Skanf way (3rd tutorial). It's not trying to teach/show combat effectiveness or how this would work in combat this is a foundation topic. Kind of like how it's not effective to teach someone how to write essays or books when students have yet to develop skills for writing the alphabet and basic sentences (the foundations of writing).
*** Why bother making this video?
---Because there was quite a debate about Skanf vs Instinctive knife throwing. There was quite a bit of miscommunication and misunderstanding (which I think stems from translation issues since it's originally a Russian style). The most common misunderstanding was thinking Skanf specifically was technique when it was more correct to think of it as a system. It's like calling this specific punching technique Boxing but really, it's called a jab (a technique WITHIN the Boxing system).
*** Why present it as a tutorial that breaks down how to move the body parts to throw like this?
--- Because many people were trying to reverse-engineer this throw, but were using incorrect/inefficient approaches to explain how it works. When it's not clicking, most people tend to chalk it up as hogwash.
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COMBAT USE:
Personally, I don't think knife throwing should be used in a combat scenario unless you (1) absolutely must, or (2) you are very skilled and experienced with unarmed fighting to back up losing your knife.
**"You're throwing at about 6-8 feet. Try that as you opponent is rushing you. I think that you have disarmed yourself."
--- Your points are somewhat valid but keep in mind this is mainly because you're scrutinizing a video on basic foundations with intent to explain how this is different from Instinctive No-Spin (brush/push method). This video is NOT trying to show how you can use this in a combative situation.
Your point is better suited asking someone who has training to use it in combat situations. Thomas Holtmann of Blade Craft Method would be one person I can think of. Ioannis Logaras is another but I can't find his channel.
I personally don't think you need longer distances for knife-throwing to be effective. Rather, throwing in close range requires unarmed combat training and experience to know how to spot opportunities to throw the knife and take advantage of the opening it can potentially create.
But to satisfy your approach about distance, there are other videos already. For example, this is my teacher (jump to about 2:30 for the long distance throw) : th-cam.com/video/q2BU6UuZaL4/w-d-xo.html.
There's also Joel Holopainen: th-cam.com/video/OOBBugv7nAc/w-d-xo.html
And here's me with close range. Again, I would prefer not to throw the knife just yet in your scenario unless "(2) you are very skilled and experienced with unarmed fighting to back up losing your knife."
Much the same, I probably would not rush in if I see you holding the knife like the first 3 throws here: th-cam.com/video/jSF9st8FXnc/w-d-xo.html. I wouldn't know how skilled you are, and I'm already wary/hesitant of rushing in to potentially getting stabbed at least 5 times very quickly.
*** Why am I showing reverse-grip when we're discussing this video?
--- Because as I mentioned, this video is part of the foundations set (parts 1, 2, and 3). Reverse grip is just a different grip using the same foundational body movements taught here. It begins to open up other grips like saber grip: th-cam.com/video/R9Ph0SqLhk4/w-d-xo.html. After that, it's up to you to practice with drills for pressuring scenarios to make things work.
The shape might look different (overhand, sidearm, underhand, reverse grip, saber, grip, regular grip), but the essence of the body mechanics is the same (rotational energy, wave energy, pulling forces, inertia, elastic forces). It's abstract.
What would you objectively, honestly, realistically do if someone rushes you at this range and you have a knife in hand? I'll likely have the same answer as you. Again, throwing would just be an opportune moment best accompanied by very good unarmed fighting experience. Don't get caught up in fantasy.
With that said, I probably need a disclaimer line explicitly indicating the purpose of the video.
I hope this video helps answer your questions.